What events made you change your mind about the war? Anyone else buy the hype at the beginning about Ukraine falling immediately? After all, pretty quick gains were madeI’d actually wish Russia would have done it, that the US had a near peer enemy and would push for harder training
>>58308038>the 40mile que at the beginning of the war just waiting to be hit by artillery>the cgi hit by russia on some artillery with a drone strike>the mosvka>hostomel>khersontake your pick
>>58308038This meme is from Feburary 26th, 2022
>>58308038>that the US had a near peer enemy and would push for harder trainingwe still have China
Of course, I was here for it. We all knew Russians were shit, but not THAT shit. After they were initially stalled, I was getting ready for a meat-grinder with half of Ukraine occupied that would eventually lead to a pyrrhic Russian victory. I started seriously believing in total Ukraine victory when I saw how effective the HIMARS were
>>58308064like I honestly bought into the whole "Russian Desert Storm" meme in the days before the invasion but pretty much from the moment of first contact it was clear everything had gone horribly wrong for Russia
>>58308038When we began seeing videos like this posted seven times a day.
>>58308090It is almost impossible to describe how quickly the illusion of Russia as a great power collapsed in the days following Feburary 25th
>>58308038Never bought the hype, but did think the Russians woudl win in like a month or two with some painful casualties and then get fucked in decade-long guerilla war.Then the VDV got slaughtered at Hostomel, Zelensky went "I need ammo, not a ride" and liek two days later the fucking convoy of doom the vatniks had hyped to heaven just... stopped.
>>58308097>losing the most vital city of the warkherson fell months ago you silly retard
>>58308060>digging into Chernobyl>digging up diseased farm animals >3 months for Mariupol>having their country invaded> 9 months for bakhmut>the Vuhledar winter offensive
>>58308038I didn't expect immediate collapse, but I expected after about a month for the Ukrainian military east of the Dnieper to be no more (or to have withdrawn) and for there to be intense fighting in the streets of Kyiv. I underestimated how bad the Russian position was in the north, especially the northeast where they had 100+ mile supply lines snaking through territory they didn't controlmy expectation for the end result was a rump state in western Ukraine, possibly extending as far east as Kyiv but no further
>>58308038Zelensky staying in Kyiv on the day of invasion.
Convoy of Doom made it clear that Russia is not what it was hyped to be, but I still expected an almost sure loss for Ukraine through a pyrrhic-tier victory for Russia. Then Kherson and the great GMLRSing happened, and it made me see that it’s not over yet.
>>58308038Before /k/ got taken over by Reddit kids, just before the war, almost everyone thought it would be an insta-win for Russia. Only myself and a few others weren’t sold on it being an auto win due to Ukraine being better off vs 2014 — but still I thought Russia would win. But, you have to understand EVERYONE including the Pentagon and military analysts thought it would be an easy Russian win. Part of the reason was that everyone bought into the Russia strong propaganda at least at some level, even the biggest haters of vatniks. Also 2014 was an easy win. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE was STUNNED at how fucked up the RuAF ended up being in reality. They couldn’t even manage to make a road march to Kiev.Anyone who claims they knew Russia was that much of a military failure beforehand is LYING.
>>58308060>40 mile convoyI didn’t believe it was stuck, I thought something else was happening because it didn’t make sense. According to /pol/, they about faced as a good will gesture or because Zelenskyy signed an agreement that he later reneged on>>58308064I thought this was propaganda>>58308097>most vital cityLet’s not forget Kharkiv we as liberated
>>58308127>the mosins>the trenches>the scooby doo vans>the T-62's>all the videos of them losing aircraft
>>58308157Kharkiv was never liberated because it never fell, the closest they came was some Spetznas thunder runs that ended in good Russians and captured Gaz Tigrs
>>58308038It was the sheer number of videos of Russian vehicles getting vaporized by Javelins and NLAWs. I have to admit I believed they would steamroll Ukraine when it started.
>>58308038Probably that Rosgvardia bus blundering into Kyiv and getting lit the fuck up because they'd been told to just drive there and start cracking skulls with no gating to make sure they weren't outrunning their own spearhead.That and the fact that troops were reportedly told to pack parade uniforms and not food, ammunition and fuel for protracted fighting. The whole affair was and is a colossal lesson in hubris.
>>58308038The inorganic ESL shilling on this board changed my mind.
>What events made you change your mind about the war?Zelenskyy staying made me think it would at least turn into a protracted stalemate.The Kyiv front collapsing and Russia getting raided by helicopters through their AA simultaneously convinced me Russia was fucked.
>>58308157They about-faced because Western AT weapons wreaked a debilitating toll on an already low-morale, poorly-supported military. RuAF basically was defeated. The next year was Russia bringing in fillers to prosecute the war while they struggled with re-constituting the RuAF, something which they still haven’t completed.
>>58308200The first few days were insane. Seeing all of those convoys of burned tanks confused the hell out of me. I assumed I was in an echochamber and I'm only seeing Ukrainian victories.Then the Kiev faint happened.
>>58308097Kiev in 500 years, it's unironically over for HATO tranny Hohol ukroreddinazerites
Change my mind? I've changed it multiple times. 1. I first changed my mind how the war would go after about a week when Russia couldn't take cities and was getting bogged down with logistics. I initially thought Ukraine would need to resort to some type of insurgency for 1/2 their country once Russia occupied everything east of the Dnipro. I realized Russia was going to have trouble holding so much land AND fighting the Ukrainian army so I figured they'd retreat to more defensible lines or negotiate a cease fire. 2. Then I thought Russia would have to agree to return to pre-war lines because this was obviously disastrous for them. Then those retards doubled down.3. Then I thought Russia would be able to stop Ukrainian counter offensives because Ukraine lacked enough western support, but then more aid kept coming and Russia continued to be retarded. Currently I'm on "How much longer does Russia need before they realize they're in an unwinnable war witha superior enemy?"
at the start of the war, i expected russia to roll into kyiv and was having fun watching the comfy webcam livestreamsthen it became clear as more western weaponry began to flow inand also the brutal flood of videos from ukranian grenade drones
>>58308150>Anyone who claims they knew Russia was that much of a military failure beforehand is LYING.Or working in intel. This was less of a surprise to spooks. Allegedly anyway.
>>58308252i think the grenade drone videos are more personal because you see the dirty sad conscripts scrambling around in the dirt and it shows you the state of the military
>>58308038>Ukrainian tanks and s300 air defense after nigger tier shock and awe campaign >Boris Johnson arriving with a c-17 plane full of NLAWs on first weekend.>small town Kherson mayor armed with rpg- shooting a Spetnaz Riot 4x4 on live stream >Zelenskyy giving away 10,000 AK-47s to Kyiv residents>vatniggers digging trenches in red forest
>>58308150Anon, a lot of people did.but every fucking retard bought into russian propaganda AND it was incredibly easy for us to pretend like parashka is an actual threat still to get extra finding
>>58308271I thought it was gonna be a bloody street battle in Kyiv a la mode Maidan 2014.
for me it was the scooby doo van and ork assembly, the rosguardia unit getting lit up, the helo VDV into the water, and most notably the Russians stalling out the gate and just walking back when their gas ran out. the farmer memes were incredible. I always figured most of Russia's military was junk, but they had a spear tip of elite units who had parity with all but the best western units. I didnt expect them to throw their few pro units away, either.
>>58308280>vatniggers digging trenches in red forestMr. Putin I want of this ride...
>>58308038The second Kiev didn't fall. I honestly thought Russia would just walk in, there would be a siege at the Administration building, and it would be over.I underestimated Ukraine based off what I saw when Crimea was annexed. When Kiev stood for more than a week I foresaw a long, drawn out slog. Especially with the tactics Russia was using. I never bought into the "Russia stronk" meta, I always knew Russia was a lot weaker than they made themselves out to be. However, I never foresaw them having THIS many issues within their military.
They didn’t even make it to Kyiv… because they ran out of gas. It was too comical to believe.I still wish we’d “lost track of” a few A-10s.
>>58308160>>the T-62'sAnd don't forget the T-55's!
I kinda ducked out of the internet for a couple of days after the invasion was confirmed, I didn't want to go through the agony of watching the country fall live because I confess while I wasn't into the Russian hype I thought the numerical disparity was too great. I resurfaced on the Saturday to hear of stalled columns and traffic jams at Karkhiv and thwarted Hostomels and early analysis that Russia had failed to achieve the knockout blow, but still my prospects weren't good. It was over the next week as international response started coalescing that I thought Russian victory was no longer certain. It really took until the Good Will Gesture for me to have any hope that Ukraine could straight up win. During some of the most TEMPO I've perhaps gone a little too far into thinking victory is a certainty, but I've tried not to go that far because the very beginning of the invasion has proven that nothing is certain.
>>58308150Ehh, a lot of people and Intel experts still pointed out the flaws in russia, but most just thought it wouldnt matter. The issue wasnt just overestimating Russia, but underestimating Ukraine. All the corruption, lack of funds, divided Politicial sphere, etc. Gave everyone flashbacks of the ANA foldinging like a cheap suit. Add in all the possible traitors and fifth columnists js6t made it likely they couldn't hold. If zelensky had fled, it might have gone differently too. Still, if you're not bullshitting, good call on Russia being a paper tiger. Even the experts who said they were a Potemkin army have been surprised by their incompetence.
Like 2 days into the war there was a video posted called 'ukranian Gipsys rapidly steal russian tanks' and i knew russia was fucked
>>58308038It was clear to me that Russia was winging it and had taken on a huge gamble, when I saw what appeared to be an ice cream van with Z scrawled on the sides
>>58308399God the A-10 jokes were so good.
>>58308038First week(s) of were like: >Huge chunks of territory taken daily >Meaningful encirclements every other day >Multiple future encirclement possibilities clearly visible and more being made. >Russian propaganda machine working, Ukrainian one doesn't even exist. >Media from the war being sparse makes you believe there are no battles and no resistance. >Rush to Kiev happening, literal citycams trending online because everyone wants to witness the invasion live. >Ukraine mobilizing civilian population, making it seem like the last desperate move that won't work, at a first glance. Honestly you'd be probably called objectively wrong if you thought Ukraine would last anywhere more than a few months considering all the facts that were available to the general public at the beginning of the op.
>>58308629I mean it really depends how early you're talking. The night of the 25th while missiles were raining down and massive Russian columns crossing the border, sure. By the next morning those columns had started very publicly burning.
Also, this image probably did more to speak for Ukranian morale than the entire Rusaian psyops campaign
>>58308064Yeah, VDV fucking evaporating after Hostomel and being hunted through the country side by farmers and local guard was grim. Then the weeks of desperate spaghetti offensives across the country cemented the inevitable.
>>58308672>not doing the hands on belly laughSad
This has been the worst single performance of any military in the history of modern warfare.Russia continues to be grossly incompetent at every step.They have managed to turn certain victory into the crushingly humiliating defeat and seem even incapable of doing that with a modicum of dignityI only hope Gerasimov, Shoigu et al get hung publically
>>58308038It’s when Kiev didn’t fall after the first month, and Russians were making excuses that the US didn’t take Baghdad for two months. While that’s true, the US did take several other large objectives along the way and sustaining a massive supply line - not just from Kuwait but from home. Russia started in Belarus and only have to drive a little
My opinion hasn't changed one bit. I said Ukraine would fall in two weeks at the start of the war and I still say so today.
>>58308820>This has been the worst single performance of any military in the history of modern warfare.I dunno anon, the Russians in 1905 and the Russians in 1918 and the Russians in 1941 all give the Russians a good run for their worthless money
>>58308038I haven’t changed my mind, this is just another distraction the global elites cooked up to distract idiots from the crumbling global economy and the coming collapse of the globalist status quo.
>>58308921>Russia is so crushingly incompetent that Putin must be a CIA plant on a mission to destroy Russiaunintentionally based schizo retard
>>58308097>Hilarious the US is about to bankrupt itself over this war.They found an extra 3 billion just waiting to be spent literally days ago. It might be hard to understand for a Russian, but the money spent is peanuts for a western nation.
>>58308921WE WUZ ARYANZ
>>58308157It was stuck for weeks every time fuel trucks were sent to it they were ambushed. And don't forget a major general was sniped there.
>>58308038Russia not just moving into the Rebel Zone and calling it a night. It would've been just a massive nothing burger. Instead, we got a comedy of an invasion in the North and Mykolaiv, and a thunder run through the South which wasn't even that well defended until they got to Mariupol.
>>58308938>>58308123>>58308157>>58308243Don't reply to copypasting bot/spammer
>>58308038Nice slide thread to hide Ukraine's failure in Bakhmut and Belgorod.
>>58309005This nigga is gonna be "but Bakhmut" spamming all the way to Moscow
>>58308651Pic related. Day fucking 2 they were whipping out this shit. Joke of a country
>>58308038I was pro-Russia and fairly neutral on Ukraine until Russia actually attacked.
>>58309005>Girkin himself screaming how Wagner and the MoD are too busy fighting over who gets the credit for Bakhmut to do anything about the counteroffensive or the Ukrainians currently encircling Bakhmut.Pottery.
>>58308399>It was too comical to believe.It gets even sillier after reading Red Storm Rising. Tom Clancy must be laughing his ass off in the afterlife.
Are there really people who still think Russia is doing well? That they accomplished so far what they wanted? Wonder how these people will feel after it ends
>>58308038>Anyone else buy the hype at the beginning about Ukraine falling immediatelyPretty much everybody who's honest with themselves did at some point.
>>58309180They will cope however it ends.Russia makes it out with a negotiated lugansk/donbass peace that is all russia wanted.Russia gets sent back after 3 years of war they were fighting all of nato and its impressive they lasted so long against the degenerate west that is also a major threat despite bankrupting itself but still feeding military hardware all along the border.
>>58308651>>58309050>some pedophile's candy van with a letter painted on it>this is our weapon of war
>>58309180they want to believe it, so they'll find a way.
>>58309180They don't care they just want other people to be miserable
>>58308038I thought Ukraine would fall quickly but I changed my mind in the first few days
>>58308150Everyone knew Russia was fucked, we just underestimated how fucked they were.I was fully expecting to hear stories about Russian materiel mysteriously not being where they thought it was and random cold war garbage being subbed in. I was expecting to hear about mobiks getting lost in the woods and only winning battles by outnumbering the enemy 100:1. I did expect them to win, but not effortlessly or gracefully. Russia's other conflicts recently hadn't painted a pretty picture of their readiness.
>>58308038Ukrainians standing around in shock at a wiped out VDV column and one posing with a captured AS VAL made me realize it wouldn't be a cakewalk for Russia. The 40-mile convoy and the longer and longer time that Russia wasn't taking Kyiv until they suddenly routed from it made me realize this was going to be a major embarrassment for them (I initially thought it was a feint and the AFU would be cauldron'd in the Donbass). The sinking of the Moskva made me realize this was going to be a disaster on the level of the Russo-Japanese War.
So is Bakhmut gonna get kesselled?
>>58309180They'll just insist that Russia won. Remember the Korean War? North Korea started the war with the goal of annexing South Korea and instead LOST net territory. Eastern vermin today insist that China and North Korea won the Korean War.Russia simps will claim that because Ukraine didn't annex all of Belgorod Oblast and only took back all their old territory plus a bit of Belgorod, Russia won.
>>58309180>Wonder how these people will feel after it endsCoping all the way back to Moscow while smugposting about how they still managed to utterly ruin Ukraine before getting tossed out.
>>58308060>>58308127>>58308416>>58308160to sum it all up>the 40mile que at the beginning of the war just waiting to be hit by artillery>the cgi hit by russia on some artillery with a drone strike>the mosvka>hostomel>kherson>digging into Chernobyl>digging up diseased farm animals>3 months for Mariupol>having their country invaded>9 months for bakhmut>the Vuhledar winter offensive>the mosins>the trenches>the scooby doo vans>the T-62's>the T-55>all the videos of them losing aircraftalso the >pontoon>Kinzhal being uselessand soon>Belgorod being invaded >loosing a Nuclear weaponthis shit is so unreal
>>58308863Idk man… logistics are a bit more fucking complicated when its a landlocked country in an entire different continent, with giant mountains covering the country.Meanwhile, you have Russia, attacking right from their doorstep, in a flat country.
>>58309180>muh bakhmut>we hold territories therefore we winThats all they have to say really
>>58309180>Are there really people who still think Russia is doing well?You'd wonder how delusional they can beThere's an Serb spamming under Austrian flag on /sp/ that claimed Putin chose with februar the best possible time to invade.And if that's the best time, I don't wanna know how the Russian army would perform during a worse time
>>58308280Every one of those was very funny when it happened.
>>58308038The Kyiv "feint". When that happened everything went absolutely downhill.
>>58309180>Russian shills: Haha Putin is depopulating Ukraine and ruining its infrastructure so he wins>Also Russian shills: What's so embarrassing about failing to conquer Ukraine? We're actually fighting NATO 31v1
>>58308038>Russia not gaining total air superiority in under 24 hours>The Convoy>Digging trenches in the Red Forest>Doing a Crete at Hostomel Airport
>>58308038>What events made you change your mind about the war? Anyone else buy the hype at the beginning about Ukraine falling immediately?No but most of /k/ did and its because they parrot what the DOD tells them as gospel which was it would fall in 3 days. Biden wanted to airlift Zelinsnky out of Ukraine on the 3rd day.
>>58308989We need to fuck the biological spammers up so badly that they wind up with PTSD.
>>58309413Then they can drop dead so the rest of us can be rid of them.
>>58310780I just do it IRL. You ever smell weed in the hallways or streets and ignore it? Its treated the same way.Suck my dick skynet.
Does anyone have some pics/vids from the absolute STATE of the russians crossing the river at Bilohorvika (spelling) sometime last summer?I remember all the shills immedietly went quiet right after Strelkov (igor girkin) confirmed that it did indeed happen and no, they weren't ukrainian tanks/afvsvid related, an early gem. crystal clear footage of a katsap helicopter getting fucked just outside of Kyiv. In a way, i kind of miss all the grainy, distorted, 20FPS combat footage from earlier wars - there was a mysterious element to it.
>>58308038The van full of riot police getting acked day one made it clear that the Russians had no plan
>>58308038When the Ukrainians started fighting. If that hadn't happened, the whole 'brother nation occupied by NATO puppet' would have been true.
>>58308038>Anyone else buy the hype at the beginning about Ukraine falling immediately?Everyone did, no matter what they might tell you now. No one even knew if Zelensky would stay or not.
>>58308038>pretty quick gains were made>I’d actually wish Russia would have done it, that the US had a near peer enemy and would push for harder trainingThat's retarded.
>>58310851You now remember cum /chug/gers claiming that this was, in no particular order>actually a hoholcopter>a UN hind evacuating HATO personnel>a polish helicopter shot down during an exercise in 2018I've still seen them claim that last one even though the footage was geolocated within 24hrs of being posted
>>58310905It's amazing how everyone and everything that gets shreked is either Ukrainian or Polish, but five years ago. Like we wouldn't have been passing around those kinds of webms for years.
Almost two hundred years ago America did the same thing Russia did.
>>58310934no, mexico gave texas to the USA after Guadalupe hidalgo. Mexico claimed vast areas that were not inhabited by many people, the same for LA, LA was founded by 99% white people and 1% black, there was no latinx when LA was formed
>>58308038>aww bro I wish our unhinged genocidal enemy were successful it would've been so le kino!You are an idiot, a traitor or both.
>>58309950>o woe is me, why does the world hate us after we raped, murdered, tortured, kidnapped and looted our way across a country that did nothing to us????Gott strafe Russland.
VDV failing at Hostomel and the riot police bum rushing Kyiv made it pretty obvious Russia was in for a very long and painful war that wasn't going to go their way.
>>58308038I always believed Russia would lose because I am a western chauvinist and a bigot.
>>58308150By the end of the first week I was saying Russia would lose the war and dudes were making fun of me for it.
>>58310952>latinxFuck off, faggot. Not even the Mexicans tolerate that shit.
>>58308211My first indication was watching the VDV get off their helicopters at Hostomel. It was the lack of urgency they displayed that got me thinking they weren't going to do so hot.
>>58308271I am a grade ten drop out and I knew they were going to lose. Russia is shit and it always has been, but if you need a reason... They were total trash in the Syrian Civil War any time their opposition didn't run away. When they got absolutely buttfucked by the US in 2018, the writing was on the wall. They couldn't take any force trained to a western level of acceptability. They're simply too far behind, the collapse of the Soviet Union put such a wide capability gap between the US/NATO and the rest of the world that it is insurmountable unless we allow them the opportunity to close it.
>>58311318I use it exclusively to piss off my Chilean friend.
>>58308863Baghdad fell in 28 days lel. I remember running a Superpower Countdown. A real superpower can conquer a country in 28 days or less.
>>58308863Yah, I knew Russian logistics was pretty bad but I at least expected them to be able to provide a logistics line at least a few hundred miles without any issues. Absolutely embarrassing they couldn't even do that.
>>58311318The Mexicans just put it on their passports last week. Really.
>>58308038I remember asking in one of the pre war threads if there was any chance Ukraine could actually resist and I got laughed off the board
>>58311590I thought Mexico was proud of not bending over for imperialism. I know buzzwords get thrown around a lot, but latinx is literal actual no doubts about it cultural imperialism being imposed on Hispanics by uppity white liberals.
>>58308038>>58308060I remember telling my coworker that Russia only send 200k men in their grand invasion, which didn't really outnumber the ukies and could easily go south very quickly.He didn't believe me. Fuck you Brody you owe me 20 bux
>>58312075200k Russian military doesn't include Wagner, LNR and DNR as well as other shit like Russia's weird military border police and Chechen tik tok brigade.
>>58312093even with all those extras its still way too ambitious.
>>58308064This meme wasn’t even correct though, it was based off random tweets about >muh VDV landings all over Ukraine When in reality there were only two and one succeeded You’re retarded
>>58312093Actually it does Russia invaded with 170k troops including Chechens and wagner, plus 30k DPR/LPR fagsMind you the actual Russian ground forces only accounted for 280k in total, so 170k is already over half the Russian army. The Russian ground forces aren’t as big as people think they are
>>58312379>only twook Ivan
>>58308038I realized what a complete dysfunctional marauding gang of looters and drunks the contemporary Russian army is when they got absolutely thrashed trying to cross those rivers near Bilohorivka in the summer of 2022 and failing to encircle any Ukrainian forces in Severodonetsk and Lisychansk.Even the Ukrainians eventually lose these towns, the Vatniks failed to envelope any of these forces. Only then did I realize that Putin's Russia doesn't even have a fraction of the capabilities they claimed they had despite a cheap varnish of digital camo and some new web gear, this army was not very different from the Russian army in 1999 that fought in Chechnya and struggled against a few thousand irregulars.
>>58312429China's experience will be even more amazing because they claim even much more and they will be doing this on water, against only the strongest force the world has ever seen, and have not fought since 1975
>>58308629>>Meaningful encirclements every other dayi dont think this war has had a single encirclement so far, unless you count mauripol
>>58310934>>58311061Yeah and now Mexico is doing it to them, but they are smart and do it with pregnant womyn and babbies, not tanks and bombs. Le Russia monke was just too impatient.
>>58308038cause the west belived Russia fixed its coruption in military and that the troops knew they were going into Ukraine
>>58308038I bought the hype of Ukraine winning, but ultimately the hype is actually around Ukraine surprising people and not losing instantly. Like they didn't surrender in February 2022 and embarrassed Russia by forcing them to actually fight, but from there the hype train has just gone out of control to at least some people genuinely thinking the end to all this is Abrams tanks, with Ukrainian tankers parked outside the Kremlin.It also seems like Ukraine makes its military decisions exclusively to feed into this hype train, they've embarrassed Russia by forcing them to fight 9 months for a single city or they've embarrassed Russia by sending troops over the border to shoot up a village in Belgorod. All embarrassing for Russia, all have questionable military value. That's why I don't think Ukraine is going to win this, they pick their fights seemingly exclusively for updoots on Reddit and I can only imagine that's because these fabled counteroffensives are either never coming or they're going to disappoint in a way stealing a BTR from the Russian border doesn't.
>>58308280>vatniggers digging trenches in red forestGenuinely my favourite thing so far
>>58313903So that massive steamrolling around Kharkiv and retaking Kherson was done for Reddit gold? Your brain is full of worms and the worms are also niggers.
>>58309180"It took the whole western gay pedo Nazi coalition to kick us out and we still managed to murder like 30% of Ukraine, great victory"
>>58308100>to so much radiation in a few seconds that it went off the scales of a geiger counterWhat a dumb sentence to write. Journo needs to read what a geiger counter does. And that getting off the scales of one can be very easy depending.Not saying this vatnik didn't get blasted, but this sentence is stupid.
>>58312542pic unrelated but funny
>>58313942Kharkiv was over a year ago now and Kherson was retaken without a fight. These are more fuck ups by Russia than evidence of Ukrainians having the initiative in this war. Whenever I try to slow the hype train, literally the response is always>Whatabout Kharkiv>Whatabout KhersonBecause those are the only genuine successes Ukraine has had in over a year of fighting. For the hype that surrounds Kiev and the Ukrainian military, they really need more than two victories people can pull out of their ass when they need to defend the hype. Otherwise, again, the hype really is that Ukraine has merely surprised the world by having any victories at all, let alone two!
>>58314019What Russian victory is there? Bakhmut is still in perilous condition with the only person claiming it even secure is Priggy. Melitopol? It was on the fucking border and still took months to capture. Everything else was taken without a fight like you said. Russian mechnized elements are demonstrably all but gone, and thier air superiority is in such doubt they wont touch contested air space for kilometers. I'm not saying get hype for a total epic Ukraine victory, but down playing their success while somehow predicting Russian victory comes off as being a duplicitious le both sides nigger.
>>58314056See? You don't have anything, they had one victory though direct fighting in the first month of the war when Russia was all over the place and news outlets said they were going to run out of everything in 2 weeks. You immediately, as everyone always does, bring up Russian victories to claim those victories were embarrassing victories. What's the claim here?>Ukraine *could* have more victories, but they don't embarrassing victories like Melitopol or Bakhmut, they want based victories like that one they won without a fight or the one that was over a year ago
>>58314081What makes you think that Russia is going to win after watching them grind themselves into complete operational exhaustion? Just a few posts ago you yourself said you were a pro ukro reddit nigger, now youve done a 180 even though Russia is weaker than ever. Russia cant defend its own borders, it cant establish air superiority and now thr missile and artillary strikes have trickled to nothing.Why would you lie about being pro ukrops?
>>58314120Because as I said, they attacked over the Russian border to elicit this exact response from you in to response to Bakhmut which they lost like a total boss after 9 months, defending it literally to the last meter, totally humiliating Russia. It's cringe because it totally works on people like you, what is Ukraine seeking to actually militarily achieve by attacking a village on the Russian border? I know it's a psyop to keep people on side and thinking Ukraine is based, but what will it achieve? Is this the opening of a new front? Are they going to invade Russia properly? Is this a case of "Moscow will be taken in 2 weeks"? Please explain. because to me it seems like these are a waste of resources, pretty frivolous when Ukraine is whining about not having enough resources for their spring counteroffensive.
>>58314179>>58314120And therein lies the problem, it's all claims towards embarrassing Russia>They've been embarrassed because we shot down 18 Kinzhals, 60,000 drones, a million orcs in Bakhmut, a Babushka in Belgorod, a drone at the flagpole on top of the KremlinSo yeah I can see why you're buying the narrative that Russia is weak and certainly they're not strong enough to do anything decisive themselves, but why is Ukraine merely boasting about how weakened Russia is, rather than exploiting it and having victories like Kharkiv again? They did Kharkiv with no gibs, now they have shit loads of gibs but they won't do anything without more gibs despite having weakend Russia with previous gibs and their basedness?It's all fiction, it's capitalising on the surprise that Russia didn't, in fact, manage to take Kiyv in three days after stumbling out of the gate like a horse with three legs, to counter claim that actually this is because the Ukrainian military is based as fuck and will be taking Crimea any day now. It can be true that both militaries kind of suck, if you have one military that is based as fuck and the other is so cringe they should just kill themselves, then why the fuck is meat grinding in Bakhmut even a worthwhile tactic for either side? Why is Ukraine making little detours a couple of KM over the Russian border to take advantage of their weakness? Why not take advantage of their weakness somewhere that matters?
>>58308038>Anyone else buy the hype at the beginning about Ukraine falling immediatelyOfc. As a living human being I'm susceptible to propaganda. In my reality UAF were doomed and therefore I was surprised by the honor of ukrainian soldiers that were still fighting disregard of "obvious" outcome.The vision of the outcome of the war changed after seeing the first blue dots around Kyiv on liveuamap. The heuristics was - russians won't be able to keep the gains if they are unable to hold positions during their most important battle.
>What events made you change your mind about the war?the poor performace of the Russian airforce, attacking fortified positions without support from the sky is extremely hard and leds to a ton of deaths
>>58308038It was the moment the clown cars showed up.
Yeah my opinion switched when the global media started telling me that NATO is actually a small rag tag group that has no supplies whatsoever and was taking on that gigantic monster known as Russia, which we all know is actually just a small banana Republic that does nothing of note
>>58314528Do you have examples or is this a retarded strawman?
>>58314588Neither. It's me shitposting at 5 AM. If you want the truth, I still think that Ukraine's going to fall at some point. But it's just taking a lot longer and a lot more resources, and we've completely confirmed that Russia is just marginally above being an African nation that is really only relevant because it has a large stockpile of maybe, potentially functional nukes
>>58314687Fall was the wrong word here, they're going to lose land in a negotiated peace because the US and EU almost certainly will throw Ukraine under the bus If it means getting "peace" and playing world Police once more
>>58309950>>58311105Age old Russian shit. If they can't drown you in your blood, they'll drown you in their tears.
>>58308157A soldier who was there claimed they got stuck because the Ukrainians blew the bridges and they had no bridging equipment.
>>58308038Within the first two weeks everyone just assumed the 2nd army in the world would win by default.
I remember when western media interviewed russian VDVs in antonov airport.Shit was surreal, I still do not understand why they even bothered replying and not just shoot them up.
>>58308038The burned out convoys down main street.A lone destroyed BMP down a highway spray painted "WOLVERINES".The looting for food made me realize that Russia had not improved in any way since their past clusterfucks.
>>58309276> that is all russia wanted.Lol,Lmao even
>>58315095Because they were the prestige frontline unit. And at the time everything was too confusing so they pretty much though the war was already won, they didn't shoot the CNN guy just like they didn't shoot the Vice Media guy in 2014.It's when the occupation units full of drunks, retards, poor people, Asians, etc arrive that they start torturing people and shooting "Banderites".
>>58308038The squad tactics on the bridge and the interview with the soldier is what made me think they had a real fighting chance. That and the molotov production lines.https://youtu.be/r87RmlyB3ks?t=100>When do you think the Russians will enter Kyiv's city center?>Never.
>>58308038I thought it was a repeat of 2014 in Feb 24th. I heard how shocked the UAF and TD were and how fast Russia was rolling up resistance in the border regions.Then a couple of days later I heard what was happening at Hostomel airport and saw uncensored photos of dead HOMO police north of Kyiv and pieced together that they had expected Kyiv to capitulate straight away after the airborne seized the airport and sent fucking riot cops to what Ukraine was now treating as total war.A few months later, hearing about the terrible attrition of their best armored, airborne, and marine divisions made me realize that I had massively overappraised Russia both on the strategic and tactical levels.I'm 35. Even if I am lucky enough to live for another 65 years, I doubt I will ever see a military blunder this big again.
>>58315147>The looting for food made me realize that Russia had not improved in any way since their past clusterfucks.I can't find the pic, but that one with the kid who must have only been 20 doing the shy finger pointing together pose like a fucking anime character while begging for food from a Ukie civvie made me realize "Oh my god these niggers have no idea what they are doing."Or the one vid where the Russian PoW is eating bread and soup like he hasn't eaten for a week while the Ukie women are standing around comforting him.
Fortnite zoomer that clapped and looted the vdv operator outside hostomel then posted the selfie with the corpse and gun
>>58315260>Even if I am lucky enough to live for another 65 years, I doubt I will ever see a military blunder this big again.Don't worry baby the PRC might yet take a swipe at Taiwan
>>58315285I found the video and it claims it's a Russian soldier trying to surrender to a farmer.
>>58315313It wasn't even the first AS VAL loot drop of the war, it was just the first one with the corpse.
It wasn’t hard to think Russia would steamroll, there was a kind of deflation when the missile barrage started hitting during the UN meetings. Biden had confirmed they believed the invasion was inevitable and people were waiting, and then tanks and helicopters started coming over the border.The logistics issues with tank convoys might have even become apparent before there was a clear story of what happened at the airport, and combined with the NLAW and javelin videos of tanks being popped all over the country it seemed like Ukraine was actually able to cause problems for the Russian war mass.
>>58308038I was at NTC when the invasion happened. I was so sleep deprived I thought I was fucking dreaming.
>>58308726Tatars are literally the opposite of what that painting shows. That painting was of Cossacks responding to Turks, Tatars were literally on the opposing side to them
>>58313972man i really hope they get rid of xi, or at least some of these dudes avoid a draft, because some of these were really good
>>58308038>What events made you change your mind about the war?I thought ukraine was the good guys. Then i saw the nazi salutes, literal allah ackbars, videos of them bombing medics, bombing civilians, their own civilians, their allies' civiliansThat was it, there's a limit in killing "to defend one's homeland" and they have clearly crossed it
>>58308038The water drop and helis getting shot down was the first sign that something was amiss.
>>58318879>bombing medicsThey need to be unarmed and carrying identifying insignia to be medics.Soldiers providing medevac are still combat troops.
>>58308038this sad little piece of blue string
>>58308097>most vital city of the warDid Russia take Kiev?
>>58308127>> 9 months for bakhmutDid they even capture Bakhmut? Only Pighoser has said anyting about it, and he did that so he could leave and blame the Ruskie MOD if anything happened. Ukraine hasn't stated it's gone.
>>58311105This image is so kino God damn
>>58310161>loosing a Nuclear weapon>implying Russia do not have any working nukes to lose
>>58309101I 100% believe that once Clancy died, his ghost was put into the editorial department of the world to make it more military interesting.
>>58308097Republicans are trying to tank the economy because they side with Russia. Both groups are terrorists.
Wow very original thread , I'm pretty sure nothing like this was ever posted here
>>58320240Every day is repost day, anon. If you want original content, this isn't the website for you.Either way, my mind changed when Zelenskyy turned out to have balls that drag the ground when he walks. I thought Russia sucked (see: Chechnya), but that Ukraine sucked as badly, and wouldn't have the morale to fight. I'm glad I was wrong. Dead russians always make me happy.
>>58320256U OK m8?
>>58320256jesus christ son are you alright?
>>58317651>Tatars are literally the opposite of what that painting shows. That painting was of Cossacks responding to Turks, Tatars were literally on the opposing side to themActually a fat chunk of the Cossacks were Tatars.
>>58308100>Cobalt-60 Jesus. If true he's guaranteed dead. And this guy was from a CBRN unit? Russian non-training is really something else.
>>58320240We've had over a decade of 9mm vs .45 and zombie apocalypse threads.This is gonna last another year or so then it will go away.
>>58309180>>58309276After Putin's orders on how to cover the Ukrainian counter-offensive got leaked it is clear the people involved online are told what to bring up. So this explains the likes of Lira who explained that Russia has already won. How? Well it will cost the West 'trillions' to repair Ukraine - making them poorer. They've used up all their military stockpiles (50% of land arsenal is a number stated) barely touching 5% of the Russian military. They've just made Russia stronger by tripling their army size and production rates of their military. They've split NATO up and caused issues there. They are weakened by donations so cannot deal with China and China will side with Russia for the resources. They've managed to fight all of NATO on their own for years. Etc. Etc.
>>58308038The initial Russian advance was one of the quickest in history.
>>58320455Yep. And it shows that if you just advance without consolidating you are fucked. And it shows that if you advance ahead of your logistics train you are fucked.And it shows that deep battle lines aren't a good idea if there are guerillas with anti-tank weapons willing and able to hunt the troops in your unsupported flanks for sport.Russia can't go fast just because the Americans did.
>>58320371This is why Im not afraid of Russia using tactical nukes in Ukraine. They know well that their own troops are not capable at operating on a CBRN battlefield.
>>58308038why are you such an evil cunt that you want people to live under russian rule?
>>58320578Insane to think how far they've fallen from the "7 day to the Rhine" army. This, not having river-crossing capability and other things.
>>58308100>>58320371For me it was that they didn't wear masks because they thought the staff wears them due to covid in the sarcophagus of all places
>>58320779Apparently a lot of these dumb animals never even fucking heard of Chernobyl. Their whole nation is in the toilet culturally, but we already knew that.
>>58320210>People calling Russians "greenskins">Optimistic "two weeks" predictions>Constant fuel woes>C-tier conscripts with T-55s replacing Russia's destroyed elite formations>Taman Guards getting their shit slapped>Muh nooooksIf a Russian submarine crew defects to NATO, I'm going to lose my shit.
>>58309180just go to an Afghanistan War thread and look at the American posts then substitute the word America with Russia and the word Taliban with Banderites
>>58320142Yea pretty sure it's gone, that's why Ukrainian's chose to attack slightly to the north and south and retake all the high ground to the west of Bakhmut. Weirdly enough though lately nothing amazing or big has happened, either opsec is working or its just a complete stalemate on the frontlines now. I think Russia is working on trying to take Adiivka so that might be the next bakhmut in terms of trying to bleed more russians down, we'll see.
Honestly, while the early setbacks Russia had were embarassing, I thought that it was just delaying the inevitable, right up until the giant doom convoy they assembled stalled out around Kyiv, and even then the full scope of their fuckup didn't really sink in until the aftermath of the disastrous withdrawal. Honestly my expectations flipped after that but I've still been surprised in other ways, I would have thought that Putin would cut his losses and come up with a settlement to save face and get the sanctions lifted, but the way that he's persisted despite a string of failures no less dismal continuing for a year plus since then would be impressive if it wasn't so retarded.
>>58320455It's called defense in depth and it was standard cold war era doctrine against the soviets.
When pictures and videos of dead Russians, destroyed vehicles, and stolen vehicles started showing up.
>>58314081>NOOOOO YOU CAN"T ATTACK AN ENEMY AT IT'S WEAK SPOT, IT DOESN"T COUNT>YOU SHOULD SPEND LUDICROUS LIVES BASHING YOUR HEAD AGAINST A TOWN THAT LOST STRATEGIC SIGNIFICANCE THE MOMENT UKRAINIANS TOOK KHARKIVYou are a retarded vatnigger because you think Russia is going to magically win somehow. The standing russian army, vdv, and lpr are all ground hamburger thanks to that retarded thinking and they've resorted to throwing meat waves of convicts and murderers to fill in the gaps and now that that's gone, what do they have left?
>>58308097ameribros... it's over
>>58308150>just before the war, almost everyone thought it would be an insta-win for RussiaMost people didn't believe there was going to be a war.
>>58314019>Russia loses because it's too retarded to stand on its own two feet>Russia loses because someone knocked it off its feetWho cares. Russia loses either way.
>>58321397>russians angering saint Ronald, a literal clownYeah they're fucked
>>58315222>molotov production linesunfortunately we never got to see any used
>>58308038The moment Russia had the huge line of vehicles headed towards Kiev that they weren't able to keep fueled (and the failure of the attack in general) I knew Russia was far less competent than they had projected for years. I still think the conflict will end with Ukraine ceding most of Donetsk, Luhansk, Crimea, and a land bridge connecting them, but it will be at immense cost to the Russians.
>>58308038>3km long tank column minutes from Kiev>Stay immobile for a week>RetreatWhyyyyyyyyy?
>>58318879>there's a limit in killing "to defend one's homeland"actually there isn't
>>58320602>how far they've fallen they were just as shit back then as we keep telling you fucking idiot westerners who keep gobbling up whatever shit these asiatic pests shit out of their mouths to fool you gpdoasjfvvvqawpdfoqawdfacfscvfa
>>58310775America had 20 years of experience trying to prop up Iraq as a military force. That's a whole generation of failure.You can't blame the dod for thinking Ukraine would fold. If they were more racist they would have known a propped up white country would outperform 10x.
>>58308038The primary feeling on February 24th was heightened stress that kept m up all night. I checked my phone and the war had begun. I didn't think of the Russians as competent or not, I just saw it as a blood bath.
>>58322169Yeah how are rhe dod or literally anyone supposed to predict that ukranian men would just form militias on mass and defend most major cities and towns successfully from russian armored assaults.Or that russian era was missing the e
>>58322169>IraqNigger thats the one that's still standing. You had Afghanistan right there and you chose the one that's actually starting to work out
>>58320851a lot of them literally arent taught anything bad about russia/the russian empire/the soviet union so of course they're going to leave out an extremely embarrassing disaster.
>>58308123What's the source for picrel?
>>58313575>We're coordinating a mass white replacement Oh fuck off, at the very least we're building communities and businesses. My cousin owns a construction firm and I run a shitty startup yet all my irish/german friends and their families are depressed alcoholics. It's purely a skill issue. Though I will say it sucks to have black hair and black eyes
>>58313575How were the numbers for 2024 and onward calculated?
>>58323397Like the rest of the numbers, imagination and wishy feelings.
>>58314278>So yeah I can see why you're buying the narrative that Russia is weak and certainly they're not strong enough to do anything decisive themselvesAnd you're selling this opposite narrative without a single thing to back it up, and an almost endless barrage of mistakes and proof that destroys it. Probably out of boredom, thirst for attention and social ostracizing.
>>58323515>Cheers for the huge loss towards the American """empire""">As Russia forcibly grabs land from its neighborsMan these people are fucking retarded
>>58323515>>58323583>Global American Empire Major defeat>Losses: 404 losses not found
>>58323515>Send your most skilled soldiers into a meat grinder to be destroyed by HATO weapons>Your 1 million smartest and brightest leave Russia for the west because they don't want to be sent into a meat grinderHow is this suppose to defeat the American Empire again?
>>58320440Can you post a link to the leaked orders or elaborate on that? I've also noticed they all use the same talking points and would love to see an outline of what they're told to say
>>58323515Man I wish China lives up to the hype. The US needs to be challenged by a strong enemy to become stronger and not stagnate. Russia is clearly not up for the job anymore.
>>58308064oh fuck those early VDV memes busted my gut. Never laughed so hard about men dying from such fucking retardation
>58323515>lose 20k men KIA (minimim) after 10 months of attritional warfare for a city that lost strategic significance in September of last year>pretend like this was a huge victory over America somehowlmao
>>58313575Nigga, now that the mexicans are integrating into the US political system as Americans, and there's a new Mexican American identity springing up, it's far more likely that the US will accept annexation referendums from Norteño states, than vice-versa.Those places are economically American, and probably would want to get away from the dysfunctional violent mess that is Mexico.
>>58308150See I thought fighting would be on the south, to guaranteed luhansk and donetsk. Push to the sea and call a ceasefire elections etc. Not this northern bum rush. The coup failed in czecheslovakia they should realised the same here
>>58318811this will never not be funny
>>58323974>for a city that lost strategic significance in September of last yearThis is wrong. I'd assume you're referencing the Kharkiv collapse, but Bakhmut wasn't part of a planned offensive against Kramatorsk in coordination with the forces in Izium. That was going to be a double envelopment from Izium and Lyman before Russia put the plan on hold before the Lyman spearhead was ready.With Izium and Lyman both lost Bakhmut is actually their BEST chance to reach Kramatorsk.Now if the "lost strategic significance" was in reference to the fact that taking Bakhmut is pointless because the war is lost and even reaching Kramatorsk won't let them win jack or shit, then yes, that's technically true, but that was true in April of last year. Arguably as soon as the war was declared.
>>58323940>now I'm a drowning man in the cold Black Sea>the last of Putin's VDVWe got some gold out of it.
>>58308095Weren't those the trucks with the Chinese tires that froze and cracked when the weather got cold?
>>58308038It wasn't all at once, my expectations just slowly got lower and lower.
>>58309950>Russia really is fighting against all of NATOoh nohe's still coping
>>58308064Both of their main targets were undefended and they still managed to be wiped out by volkstrum the same day despite having enough supplies for a few days to dig in but instead they met the Ukes at the gates and were slaughtered. Russia fumbled their easy victory hard especially with how little of Ukraine was actually defended from years of Russia threatening to invade if rhey built defenses or stationed regulars
>>58321712so true king
>>58308247>"How much longer does Russia need before they realize they're in an unwinnable war witha superior enemy?"Oh, they get it. The military command absolutely get that they can't win this through military operations. But they can't back out either because now it's about the survival of monke regime. There is basically only one rule for a russian leader: "Make Russia greater". It doesn't matter how (stronger military, better economy, greater international prestige... But geographically bigger is preferred), but as long as Russia is "greater" after your rule, you will be forgiven everything else. You can be the most insane, bloodthrsty monster who killed millions of russians, but if in the end of the day you push those borders further, it's all good.But now monke is stuck in a war he can't win. In a war which only destroys what is left of their military and economy. And they won't even be able to hold on to what they have taken, and may even lose Crimea what was taken earlier. Putin is in a position in which he is about to LOSE territory they already had. He's about to cause Russia becoming WEAKER. And you can't have that as a Russian leader.So they try to fight on, even winning is now longer achievable. They try to postpone the failure of SMO as long as they can. To hope against odds that something, anything, will come up that will help then safe face. At this point, it would be better if someone would just beat monke to death with a snuff-box and call it quits and lay the blame on him. But they are all cowards incapable of it. So they are going to ride this tiger to the bitter end. Such is the fate of a russian.
>>58313972>Ivan you're mobilized>But I don't have legs>It's fine it's a partial mobilizationFucking goddamn kek
>>58313972>Chinks can banterLol who knew.I already read a lot of hanzi thanks to being a weeb. Might learn some more so I can see what they're up to on bilibili.
>>58308038sometime in the first week of the war there was some ukie civ on /pol/ who went out with farm rifles and a few friends and came back with 2 dead russians soldiers in the back of his truck
>>58313972>I recommend st petersburg nuke moscow firstthis is making me rethink my opinions about the chinese
>>58313903>Russia literally spends 11 months and 100k casuties in bakhmut because they're desperate for a win, any win>Instantly gets their thunder stolen by warband raiding across russian territory>B-but Ukraine only cares about PRSorry pajeet, looks like Ukies can handle both military operations and also look good doing it.
>>58309950>netizens Harro, I am Sonny Hamburger a netizen from Oklahoma Autonomous Region.
>>58321397I swear to god we'll turn Moscow into a parking lot for this insultTZD
>>58325465We're unironically in the timeline where Moscow becoming a pariah city and the Republic of Novgorod being reborn is not an impossibility.
>>58308100>soldier from a CBRN unit>picked up cobalt-60 source with his bare hands.>knew he was at Chernobyl
>>58308672>Call him a Macedonian wheelwright!>Other Cossacks lose their shit.I also like the ending where it basically goes, "Alright, we're tired of writing this now. We'd sign with the date but we don't own a calendar; the moon is in the sky, the year with the Lord, it's the same day here as it is there. Kiss our asses."
>>58308038Retreat from kiev
>>58308038>What events made you change your mind about the war?Not a event but this webm.
The blowjob video
>>58309180>Are there really people who still think Russia is doing well?I browse zigger discussions all the time, yeah, there's plenty of them> That they accomplished so far what they wanted?The biggest cope is "demilitarisation" going as planned and saying that the KDA is like 1/infinity in favor of Russia
>>58321449There was video of someone doing a drive-by molotov cocktailing on a Russian truck driving down the road in the first week or so.
>>58328126>Ukraine gets more and more Western weapons & vehicles>Ukraine stole a bunch of Russian vehicles>Ukraine is somehow demilitarized
>>58323809We need to find aliens to fight. USA is way ahead in terms of military tech to have an equal match against any other nation on earth.
>>58325346>>58325465I have a theory that the Great Firewall is meant to keep us from talking to the chill Chinese people.
>>58327298>Not a event but this webmSomeone needs to add the >Living is overratedstage to the webm
>>58321397>Russians vandalizing things and throwing garbage everywhere.It's their natural state.
>>58313972>Conscript 100$ Attack dog 200$My neguinho
>>58308820Ottoman 1914 Caucasus campaign was bad. Also everything about the Austro-Hungarians vs the Serbs
I never changed my mind. I was telling people that the buildup on the border was not just for show and that they would lie about it and that they would also lie about their own capabilities. I was posting metrics of how much Desert Storm actually cost and how much cooperation it took and so on. I was telling people that spetsnaz and veh DEH veh post a bunch of dumb flashy propaganda videos of silly tomahawk throwing tricks that don’t reflect reality. I had a friend in middle school that swallowed every meme about muh hypercapable cobra maneuver migs and muh hypersonic missiles, which was also when I found /k/ and faggots spewing the same garbage, so I have been skeptical of the Russian military for roughly half of my life. (29)
>>58308038I honestly thought Russia would be in Lviv by Pascha 2022. I remember seeing friends posting photos of them leaving Ukrainian Catholic University to go make molotov cocktails in the streets. But then there was the 40 mile long convoy out of Kiev and I assumed it was all over, Russia would just take Kiev, and then install a new regime.By April 2 and Ukraine retaking Antonov Airport I guessed there was a chance Ukraine could make it and the Russian Armed Forces weren't what I had always believed them to be, and that was pretty solidly confirmed by the Ukrainian counteroffensive in Kharkiv. I was never in intelligence but I hAd FrIeNdS wHo WeRe In MiLiTaRy InTeLlIgEnCe and I think we were all shocked by the Russian Air Force's performance and lack of critical air support needed to strike Ukrainian targets.Now we're looking at 20k Russians killed in Bakhmut and I'm not sure what's next but I don't have confidence that Russia will perform any better than Ukraine, although they might eventually convince Ukrainians to call for peace once Zelensky is out of the picture.
>>58321029How is there a similarity between>defeating an enemy>taking over their country>installing a new government>chilling and rebuilding said country for 20 years >When you leave after 20 years the enemy returns from neighbouring countries.To>Invade a country far weaker than you>Lose all ground after a couple weeks>Continue to struggle for another year and counting.
>>58308038When people started to post live web cams that lasted for days showing russian military movement I could smell something wasn't right with the invasion.
>>58308038I went from "Russia will never invade you idiots" to "WTF is going on?" around the time the convoy stalled and farmers started stealing tanks. That's when I knew Russia was in for the long haul regardless of outcome.
>>58315147lol, at least he asked nicely instead of just robbing the guy. most other Russians probably wouldn't have extended that courtesy to him.
>>58309050i have to correct you there champ, this was more like HOUR 2. People were watching the border crossing live feeds when the invasion begun. Buhanka was in the very first wave to cross.
>>58318811>>58325091this sounds like an entry on the wiki article for Russian political jokes. surprised the Changs were able to mimic the style so well.
>>58312075Why are all Brody's insufferableWe have one at my work that is the super machismo "hard work" guy, but shoves his actual work onto other coworkers and unironically jumps into every gun conversation with "I don't need any more than 10 rounds because I'm a marksman, gives me an advantage voting for 10 round mag laws"What a bitch.
>>58324965i think we're in store for a return to 2014, perhaps even 1997 depending on how the situation in Crimea turns out.
>>58331127Probably from that batch of guys who legit didn't know he was being sent to war.
>>58331848Forgot the best one because you see the riot shields and helmets on the pile of bodies: https://nitter.privacydev.net/Vatslav55/status/1500146757350694916
>>58308150None of the experts believed there was going to be a war, because you don’t invade a country like Ukraine with only 200k soldiers
>>58308038>What events made you change your mind about the war?After reading the 20th "Russia is running out of bullets/shells" article, I realized that whatever is going on in Bakhmut, it aint great for Ukraine.Also, I think its kinda scary that people dont understand the consequences of Russia "losing" in Ukraine. Ukraine is getting nuked, before they let them have Crimea.
>>58332283>muh nooksDO IT ALREADY PUTIN FAGGIT OR SHUT UP
>>58308038>What events made you change your mind about the war?On Day 1 when it was reported that Ukraine was repelling assaults on Kharkiv.
>>58332320>DO IT ALREADY PUTIN FAGGIT OR SHUT UPCan you read? >Ukraine is getting nuked, before they let them have Crimea.
>>58332337>don't send weapons or we nook>don't expand nato or we nook>don't enter puccia territory or we nuke>D-DON'T WIN OR WE NOO OOOO OOOKthe invalid in the kremlin has cried wolf so many times nobody believes his flaccid posturing. Were he to actually nook Ukraine he knows the response would mean his end. Not pushing his shit in for this speshul military operation isn't an option as Ukraine is generally united around pushing the puccian virus out of their lands and puccia is unable to accomplish any goal.
>>58332479Your reading comprehension is truly abysmal.
>>58313575>Texas never had Mexicans before What is a Tejano
>>58332283>Ukraine is getting nuked, before they let them have Crimea.Oh no not the heckin nukerinoswhat are we going to do nooo!!!I guess if that happens, Ukraine will receive some western nuclear weapons.
>>58308038>What events made you change your mind about the war?When it was still going on a month later and the Russians pulling out of Kyiv.I only started paying attention around May 2022
>>58308275I maintain those videos are just executions of POWs paraded as combat footage.
>>58309082What encirclement? There is no encirclement.
>>58321836The USSR certainly had the power to rival NATO in the 70s - early 80s. Would they have ever won WW3? Fuck no. Would they have caused immense destruction, devastating Europe for decades and killing off millions of innocent civilians? Absolutely. A Soviet full-scale attack in 1980 could have likely gotten close to Paris before their supply lines reached their limit. After which, a fully regrouped NATO would have pushed the Soviets back into Russia within a year of fighting. It would be absolutely devastating for Europe, with entire cities being destroyed even BEFORE nukes were used. People have to understand that the attacking army in an initial invasion is always going to crush any 1st and 2nd battle lines. It takes time to regroup your army to counter the incoming threat, and in an age with mechanized and armored warfare, you can cover a TON of ground before a defending army can properly respond. The only non-land locked country in the world that would likely NOT lose ground in an initial invasion would be America as America only really has the North and South land borders to worry about in a land invasion as our Navy wouldn't let anyone close to the coasts. And our military is so fucking huge that any invading force amassing in Canada or Mexico would be met with 5x as many tanks, ifv's, apc's & air support
>>58309180Well, considering Russia continues to steadily gain territory and Ukraine has yet to see the capacity to mount a counter offensive with Bakhmut being taken, could be worse.
>>58334097>Well, considering Russia continues to steadily gain territory
>>58308038I really though they'd lightning-decapitate Kiev and end the war in under a month. My first indication things were not going well was the footage of attack helo's flying low over houses and flinging unguided rockets into backyards. I was coping hard that maybe they were wiping out AA positions by getting so low and fast they couldn't be targeted over rooftops. Then Hostomel happened...I was initially pretty apathetic about the whole thing, as Ukraine had long been a distant memory since the CLANKening. Then I got to see Ukrainian national guard, police and militias stop a Russian airborne assault dead in its tracks and save the capital, live from the frontlines. How can you resist rooting for the underdog when they do see well against a cartoonishly evil villain, so incompetent?
>>58308150>Before /k/ got taken over by Reddit kidsI still don't get the people who bitch about all the increased traffic to /k/ after the war started. Obviously the biggest fucking war in Europe since WW2 is going to attract a ton of people that want to know what's going to happen. And with regards to the TYPE of people coming to /k/, I doubt a normie is going to choose /k/ over Reddit in the first place. I'd wager that a lot of the new traffic to /k/ are current 4chan users that normally visit other boards. But yeah, I'd say at least 75% of /k/ thought Russia was going to win when the war first kicked off. But it really didn't take long to see the signs of what was to come. The videos of widespread looting by soldiers trying to find food, the footage of TB2's taking down undeployed AA defense, the footage of civilians being massacred, the early footage of Ukrainian soldiers harassing the giant convoy, the VDV being dropped into the sea, the entire shit show at Hostomel, the lies and propaganda Russia began to spew out like with the Moskava... the list goes on and on.
>>58314120>Russia cant defend its own bordersA war van shooting up a village isn't exactly stellar.
>>58334136They are the type of vranyo vatnik who unironically complain about too many war threads on a weapons board. Just pure background npc noise
>>58323974>lose 20k men KIA (minimim) after 10 months of attritional warfare for a cityThat's not bad.
>>58334332Is it still not bad if the „city” was had 70k people pre war?
>>58308038as much as i wanted to believe ukraine stood a chance, at first i believed that no matter how incompetent the russian army is, they're too big to fail. i thought they will manage to take kiev in the first weeks.i hoped for a long asymmetric war that would force russia out of most of ukraine. and then you know what happened. t. Russian diaspora
>>58334332russia lost less men in the afghan war
>>58308038When the west didn’t cave and the public rallied to support Ukraine. I figured Ukraine would run out munitions eventually and just be overrun. Western support changed that.>>58334136Even amongst the anons who thought Russia would win the war, I think most thought that they would lose the occupation.
>>58308038There wasn't a single specific event. I just thought to myself a few months in>Huh, Russia is still struggling, I thought this would be a cakewalk. Maybe Ukraine might win after all
>>58308038Seeing their whole giant convoy get fucked because they forgot logistics and to clear out their flanks so they stop catching rockets in the ass.
>>58320602Anon western doctrine was defense in depth, in case of a soviet ground attack for much of the cold war. Just fall back and pick them apart as they need to cover more and more ground. The weakness that is now crippling the Russian army also afflicted the soviets. The soviets were also overly reliant on trains for logistics, they did not have nearly as many trucks.It is fundamentally the same problem and would be handled in much the same way.
>>58333981The least schizo vatnik
>>58308728Literally the amount of spaghetti falling out of russian pockets during the first few weeks would make italy jealous
>>58308907Ok kekked pretty hard at this one
>>58315181He's telling you the cope from the russian point of view retard.
>>58315260IIRC (global)HOMO accidentally got ahead of the main force and as we all know they went in alone and got schwacked. Like how tf do you not realize that your gay riot police are ahead of your armored/mechanized formations.