It seems to me that one of the key factors which stopped the russian offensive in the south was the huge amount of landmines around vuhledar and the rest of the front.I assume that mines will also be a big problem for ukrainians when they start the offensive. What's the best strategy to deal with them during a fast push? You have to consider the fact that you will also be under enemy fire both ATGMs and artillery
>>57545165what flavor of canned beef is in that can?
>>57545165Bump because I've actually also been wondering this. How TF is Ukraine going to avoid all the mines when they launch their offensive?
>>57545188Only one way to find out! (;
>>57545199>>57545188checked and i'm going in bros
>>57545165>I assume that mines will also be a big problem for ukrainians when they start the offensiveLeo mod goes BRRRR
>>57545165VDV drop behind the lines.
>>57545193They know where their own mines are, the artillery-launched mines Germany and the USA donated self-destruct after a designated time, and NATO donated breaching units for the russian mines. I still expect to see a few webms of Bradleys hitting mines tho.
>>57545243amazing falseflag, so much effort put in, almost like india's public infrastructure lmao.
>>57545165most likely they wont attack straight from vuhledar, defense of that area was essential a nearby open area with no mines would be better suited to attack fromif they really have to attack from vuhledar then they know where the mines are
I wonder if NATO sat coverage is so high rez and constant that they can have an AI chugging away mapping out Russian mine fields as they're created. Similarly mapping out (with *exact* GPS cords) every route that's known-safe since they're always monitoring where Russian vehicle drive.If this tech doesn't exist it should.
>>57545165If Ukraine has air and artillery superiority they can clear their own mines.
>>57545193The UA isn't in a constant pissing match against itself, so relaying minelaying information isn't a problem. Plus, unlike vatniks, ukies don't leeroy jenkins entire armored columns in straight lines through roads that have already suffered mine casualties.
vatniks seem to have developed a homing sense for the nearest cluster of mines like lemmings and cliffs
>>57545804Have the one where that vatnick tank drives right into a surface laid AT in the middle of a road?
>>57545165the current (land) frontline is more than 400km long, do you really think t62 stronk russia has enough mines to cover all that?besides there is mine clearing equipment and russians dont have the equipment or necessary precision to redeploy mines via artilleryyes, dont expect a massive breakthrough from ukraine on day 1 but a vhuledar situation is not possible if they play their cards righti initially expect kherson-levels of progress once ukraine starts their offensive, meaning limited progress and limited losses on both sides until russians are under too much pressure and have to retreat
>>57545188The "too spicy for white boys" kind
>>57545216I found your spoon
>>57545165>What's the best strategy to deal with them during a fast push?Force POWs to walk through the minefield and drive through them with heavily-laden civilian vehicles.
>>57545165Heres how it happened during Kharkiv offensive. I assume ATGM and artillery problem can be solved with enough smoke, drone spotting and preparatory fires.>Ignore the filename, it was actually called something else than T-64A when its in that kind of configuration.
>>57546075Why didn't russian blew the whole column?
>>57546094I don't know, iskanders or some shit. They have rockets.
>>57546107they love using those on civilians so they usually dont have enough during offensivesAt any rate, strategic missiles are better off hitting static targets
>>57546107Unless they make their tanks look like apartment complexes to the guidance system, they aren't hitting shit.
>>57545949please return to your reddit shit site
>>57546132>>57546135Doesn't russians have our HIMARS analog? Why?
>>57546054Fucking classic :D
>>57546145No. Russia has never been good at precision electronics and had to import most of theirs due to the gangsters running the country cannibalizing most of their high tech industry at Cold War's end (which was, btw, 30-40 years behind anyway). After Crimea it became harder to import high end electronics.Most Russian "precision" munitions aren't, at all.
>>57545165MICLICs followed by mine plows.
>>57545725>If this tech doesn't existit does. also buried mines stand out like a sore thumb on both lidar and ground penetrating radar.
>>57546145that have something they considered to be an analog to HIMARS, right up until they got to see HIMARS at work up close and personal.
>>57546145Yes in theory. They had a few GPS-guided Smerches, but without significant stockpiles, production lines, trained arty men or replacement electronics they shoot their load and run out. tl;dr the Wectoid's will run out of precision ammo narrative was a projection.
>>57546145This video gives a pretty in-depth answer. TL;DW? Russian tech research was gutted by two basic elements: Vranyo (the culture of lying in Russian, especially Soviet, society) and the brain drain that happened before the fall of the Iron Curtain. They've only ever been ~20 years behind the West in terms of sophistication, and they've NEVER had advanced semiconductor production. Not to say the West does, either; it's all Taiwanese, but that just exacerbates the problem considering the embargo Russia is under, even with China giving them freebies.
>>57546712Fuck, I forgot to paste it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHdqPBrtH8
>>57546024Ah yes, for dieting :^)
>>57545193Zee r*ssisns cleared them all. I wouldn't worry about it
>>57545165no wonder the russians have been able to keep going this longthe ukrainians have been leaving unopened cans of tuna everywhere
>>57545725synthetic aperture radar literally does this. can even find underground caves.
>>57545165>What's the best strategy to deal with mines during a fast push?The spicy spaghetti
>>57546609>>57548904Is this possible with sat coverage or do you need planes?
>>57549075either works>>57548932The russians have been using them at vuhledar and bakhmut, and from the telegram chatter it appears it doesn't work nearly as well as they would like, the pressure is enough to set off antipersonnel mines but not antitank mines, and doesn't do shit against magnetic fused mines. It looks like you really need a combination of the explosive mineclearer (which paradoxically does get rid of off-route mines as they are more exposed) and a flail/plough system that can dislodge or detonate magnetic mines.
>>57546082too busy blowing each other
>>57545188Turret basket sausage special
>>57545165>>57545193I remember reading a few academic papers a while back (pre-Ukraine conflict outbreak) looking into using remote sensing to detect surface & shallow-subsurface mining through microwave/other spectral imaging over time to detect metallic materials/disruption of surface soils, combined w/ AI analysis, etc. I believe the notion had come about to due to one of the earlier author's background as a Kosovar expat hoping to deal with the significant UXO issues there from the 90s onwards. With how prolific UAV/drone use is in Ukraine, combined with capabilities of both US/RU in remote sensing, I wonder if some degree of satellite or vehicle-based sensing has been undertaken towards IDing mining in key areas where lots of vehicles pass through?Curious if anyone here has any thoughts/familiarity with this sort of this
okay this sounds dumb but hear me out. What if you shot enormous wheels across the battlefield? The tires would be heavy enough to trigger AT mines and keep rolling. Bonus points, your enemy now has giant wheels careening towards their trench
>>57545218ukies have those for their t-64s. I even had a pic of one during kherson but cant find it.Russians SHOULD also have them, and I Have no idea why we havent seen any.
>>57546082Russian comms are a lot less effective and their tech is less advanced, so it takes longer for a spot to turn into rounds going downrange. As the meme goes, TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO is key, as a sufficiently speedy advance can outpace the enemy's ability to call in fires. Notionally, this is where helicopters and CAS come in, as they can do their own searching and engage targets as soon as they find them, but with the battlefield so heavily saturated with AAA and MANPADS, nobody really wants to give those kinds of missions their all.
>>57545165What saved vuhledar was RAAMS, not regular landmines. Also ukrainians were cheeky enough to use them BEHIND assaulting forces, so they basically exploded if they wanted to retreat or take cover.
>>57551485>use them BEHIND assaulting forces,dang, that IS cheeky.