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Seriously, the world needs to consider banning airburst munitions like they did cluster munitions
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Why are airbursts so rarely seen in Ukraine footage anyways? I thought they were ubiquitous post '80s or so
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>>57534314
Why? There's no concern of leftover UXO posing a danger to noncombatants after the end of hostilities.
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>>57534314
airburst is fucking OP and XM-25 was goated

1-2 accidents shouldn't mean it was taken out of service

all this r&d feeding into NGSW optics and shit should be used to make an updated, more accurate, lighter and safer XM-25

China already has a "similar" project with in-service applications.
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>>57534329
Probably expense, I would imagine.
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>my guys are losing
>BAN THIS WEAPON NOW

Eat shit ziggers
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>>57534352
This.
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>>57534397
Since when has failing to achieve anywhere close to the originally declared objective been winning?
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>>57534314
retard here, pretty sure that was just a regular 40mm from a mk19 that detonated on impact with the tree branch.
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>>57534397
>vatnik retard projecting his problems onto others
I'm sure Russian demographics are fantastic and Russia is doing great. AIDS are a western lie too.
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>>57534329
Because wect sent like 500 of them.
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>>57534397
then
>we will take kiev in 3 days
now
>we haven't been kicked out completely so we are winning
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>>57534397
>When you've been occupying the entire eastern 20%
It's around 16% including crimea and the separatist held areas but that's probably just pedantic.
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>57534397
This is the dumbest cope yet
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>>57534397
>country is in demographic catastrophe that will take a century to recover
russia?
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>>57534475
>Where did an official Russian government source say this?
propagandists on state tv said it, and ria novosti and other state publications published their victory article a couple of days into the invasion celebrating the fact ukraine had been returned to russia before redacting it lol
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>>57534314
>banning
Why are you considering Russians to human?
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>>57534507
>>57534523
>what appears to be the account of
>is reported to have told that
Come on. I know you people want this to be the truth, but even you are smarter than to fall for this propaganda weasel-word bullshit.
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>>57534475
nobody here is going to spoon feed you shill - fuck off back to pol you cunt.
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>>57534343
Yeah the XM-25 was conceptually fantastic, even prescient if you consider the extensive trench warfare of this current conflict.

Though I think that extended-range and airburst-capable 40mm is generally a better idea. Russki 40mm launchers in particular are muzzle loaded, so there's no issue jamming a longer round in there with room for a booster rocket and electronics.
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>>57534543
>hundreds of state shills and state fund shills repeat "3 days" mantra for over a decade
>SHOW ME DA PROOOOOFS
I do hope you are paid for your spam.
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>>57534554
You don't get to ruin my board with 75 daily threads and then tell me to leave. Fuck you.
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>>57534543
>I have decided to conduct a special military operation
>Its goal is to protect people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide for the last eight years.
>And for this we will strive for the demilitarisation and denazification of Ukraine.
>And to bring to court those who committed numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation.
Post demilitarized and denazified Ukraine. Last I checked their army is in a better state now, materielly, than when this started.
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>>57534566
So you don't have proof. Thanks for confirming.
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>>57534475
Are you FYROMian by any chance?
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>>57534338
Yes there is, now it just has a proximity fuze.
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>>57534397
>someone said something I don't like
>R U BOT?!?!?!

Pathetic, I laugh every time I see you people get shredded by a grenade. Really the grenade is worth more than a russian life but why complain?
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>>57534579
>oink
https://files.catbox.moe/jabboq.mp4
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>>57534609
>You're going to love when the war comes to your country and you will not be shown mercy or compassion as you had none for those dying.

I live in the US, good luck
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>>57534397
>When you've been occupying the entire eastern 20% of your opponent's territory for a year straight and the entire rest of the country is in demographic catastrophe that will take a century to recover and their president is reduced to begging and groveling for western aid
>losing
Kek, do you guys honestly believe this shit or am I replying to bots?
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>>57534609
>Ukrainians aren't even fighting the war
What?
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>>57534314
Based
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>>57534609
>Ukrainians aren't even fighting the war. It's a war between the West and Russia with Ukraine in the middle.
what the fuck does that mean, the ukrainians are fighting it albeit with the help of western gibs
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>>57534615
NYET

IT SPECIAL OPERATION
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>>57534620
It's the excuse Russians are using to avoid admitting they're losing a war to Ukraine and bringing themselves down while doing so.
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>>57534611
Ah, then you will get to endure maximum suffering.
>>57534615
Yes. That's what I said.
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>>57534618
to be fair he did have russian troops in kiev in two days, he never specified if they'd be alive
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>>57534609
>I don't live in Europe nor in Asia nor was I born there nor do I have family there. So ultimately I don't care who wins because it's not my problem. This is why I get to make nuanced and rational takes.
Well, unlike you I live in Europe, and it's in my personal interest Russia get it's shit kicked in, therefore I care.
YET, you seem way more determined to defend Russia than me to defend Ukraine.
Quite weird, innit?
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>demanding proof
<showing you proof is waste of time
>HAHAH SO YOU DONT HAVE PROOF GOTCHA
<*posted proof*
>Not watching propaganda, both side le bad, not a fan
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>>57534629
>Yes. That's what I said.
Yeah, I get that, but I'm trying to make it make sense. Are you saying the Ukrainian armed forces aren't fighting Russia, or that they're entirely composed of foreign volunteers? Do you have any proof to back either scenario?

>>57534621
Good catch, QC must be slipping.
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>>57534629
>Ah, then you will get to endure maximum suffering.

Another hundred million dollars to Ukraine, for every zigger cope post on /k/
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>>57534577
>Its goal is to protect people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide for the last eight years.
I still can't believe that he immediately followed this with press-ganging every Donbabwean male standing and getting them all killed. I know he knows that I know he's lying etc., but even then the gall is amazing.
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>>57534664
>Yes. More money to Ukraine. Mr. Gates wants that chernozem.
kek, I haven't heard this cope before, are those the new speaking lines?
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>>57534475
That's the fun part, they're not going to tell you. If they did, they know that they can be judged objectively. But from their behavior and their continued escalation, the reinstatement of Gerasimov over Surovikin who was content to hold onto what they had while lobbing munitions, speeches about forever war, their intentions are maximalist and they are simply not getting everything.

It is incredibly Russian. They do it because it necessitates this pointless conversation instead of being able to acknowledge what should be obvious. You can't listen to what the Russians say. With single authoritarian leaders, even the Russians don't know what Putin is actually thinking from day to day. You have to pay attention to what they DO, and they say what they say to obscure how simple what they're doing actually is.
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>>57534543
>What's the declared objective and do you have an official Russian government source thereof? I'd love to see it.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html

>Now this problem is not ā€” Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that her statehood will be eliminated, but she will be rebuilt, re-established and returned to her natural state part of the Russian world. Within what boundaries, in what form will the union with Russia be consolidated ( through CSTO and Eurasian Union or Union State Russia and Belarus)? This will be decided after the point in the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia is set. In any case, ā€” the split of the Russian people is ending.
at least that was the original aim but they redacted it with a quickness and settled for the current mercuriality when it became clear it wasn't happening
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>>57534664
>But to act like they're somehow "losing" is comical.
How is it called, when you invade, and get bogged down for a year? Any special term? Postponed winning? Snoozed victory? On-hold success?
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>>57534475
>getting caught in a NATO glowy trap and getting pummeled in the face with western gibs and having all of your leftover soviet stock turned into scrap metal is winning
Kek. If Russia isn't losing so hard why do you retards keep memoryholing the Kharkiv and Kherson collapse? Tell me do you get to 20% without Kherson or Kharkiv? 15% doesn't sound so great does it?
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>>57534314
That's a fancy word for shrapnel rounds.
Bioweapons are banned and yet
Russia deploys tactical AIDS pidor squads.
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>>57534314
Cluster munitons are banned because of UXO, not because they're good at killing. Retard
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>>57534708
also this wasn't published just on ria, it was scheduled for upload at the same time on a number of state outlets
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>>57534664
>But to act like they're somehow "losing" is comical.
Post Kiev
Post VDV
Post 155th guard
Post Wagner
Post 1st Guard Tank
Post Bucha
Post LPR
Post DPR
Post Pisskey
Post Izyum
Post Kharkiv
Post Bakhmut
>A year straight of losses
>Yes, but we are still dying in the parts we occupy even today!
lmao.
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>>57534569
>muh board
gtfo vatnik, fuck off back to pol you fucking cunt.
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>>57534617
Sauce?
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>>57534591
i think he means from bomblets that get scattered after a cluster bomb
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>>57534618
>in warsaw

Kek
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>>57534314
cluster munitions are also used in this war
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>>57534752
https://files.catbox.moe/o7io0w.mp4
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>>57534609
>nuanced and rational takes
>thinks getting pummeled in the face with NATO gibs in a corner of the country that's barely an hours drive away from the border is winning
>Ukraine gets western funding and aid after the war is over to help them, while Russia gets total brain drain and collapse
>NATO gets two new members and the Baltic sea becomes NATO sea.
it's rational to a mentally ill schizo maybe. I'm not sure why vatniggers keep repeating 20% like it means anything. that 20% is NATO's bear trap, and Russia can choose to lose retreat or a lose leg, or fucking die. I'd rather have them bleed out and die to be honest.
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>>57534782
Merciful Moderate Poles, suggesting that we should even allow Russia to continue on at all.
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>>57534664
FOX said gates is a chinese communist now, so you need new cope
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>>57534633
My sides, they have left me
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>>57534475
Take a blade, and open your lying throat you silly cunt
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>>57534940
Well, he got a Nobel peace prize so yeah...
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>>57534433
Their declared objective is being niggers so they win simply by existing. Ask yourself which other nation of "people" brags about all the harm they do, how much they can get away with stealing, keeping track of how rayciss whitey is going extinct and replaced etc.
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>>57534338
Yes there is lol. Not a reason for banning it but all munitions have dud rates. An airburst munition could very well just not go off and plant into the ground.
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>>57534613
hey, hasn't YOUR country failed to recover its demographic MORE than a century after you retards tanked it multiple times through human waves, starvation, AIDS, and homosexuality?
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>>57534613
sorry, >>57535747 was meant for >>57534397
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>>57534782
>reduce to only 50 million
this kind of extremism sickens me. As a moderate I say only complete extermination will work.
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>>57534329
Probably lack of proxy fuzes in inventory and lack of crews trained on using delay fuzes effectively
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>>57534629
In this country only WE are allowed to kill ourselves, you will be destroyed if you think you can partake in that.
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>>57534822
Based.
No offers to surrender, or declined earlier?
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>>57534352
based
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>>57534352
Just like shotguns back in the day, eh?
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>>57534314
Why
They don't shit up the area and after the conflict ends doesn't pose any danger to civilians
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>>57535618
Thats the same for any sort of munition. Fuses fail. The difference with cluster bombs is that the submunitions by their nature have very basic and unreliable fuses that tend to produce duds, multiplied hy the large number of submunitions. Thats why many states ban them.

Airburst proximilty ammo likely has a large, complex fuse with multiple redundant systems. So no more likely to produce duds than regular shells. This why theyre safer and what the other anon meant with the previous post.
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>>57534352
Top kek
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>>57534329
They're standard for America but many Euro nations cheaped out and bought 10% airburst fuzes + 90% impact only.
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>>57534314
Who would enforce this ban?
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>>57536037
Thank you for the elaboration, this was exactly what I meant but phrased much more accurately.
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>>57535802
> lack of crews trained on using delay fuzes effectively
Here's a French FU-RALEC fuze that was provided alongside the caesars.
It has 2 setting: superquick (contact fuze) and proximity fuze.
You just twist the selector in the correct position to get an airburst. Nothing extra needed.
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>>57535864
Thats' what confuses the hell out of me, the second guy killed in the full video clearly had ample to to yell "don't shoot I surrender" and he knew he was being stormed, he'd have to be certified deaf and blind even before those grenades went off in his dugout. But instead he chooses to remain hidden and silent and gets killed in the end because the ukie clearly wasn't going to wait on him to collect his thoughts.
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>>57535570
>vatnigs to /gif/ and post fetish fantasy porn to cope
Iā€™m not surprised at all.
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another seething vattie holocausted
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>>57534314
cunting ass bullshit motherfucking watermark scrolls across the goddamn airburst right as it motherfucking bursts shit ass goddamn motherfuck
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>>57535570
>>57537814
Reminder that vatnikkers spam interracial porn here when the shit is going down bad enough.
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>>57534343
Carl gustaf's HE round has an airbust mode.
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>>57534314
Why?
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>>57534314
Have (You) considered, maybe, NOT invading sovereign countries and NOT raping, NOT murdering, NOT looting, and NOT human trafficking in children of the people living there?

Frankly, in the face of this sort of shit, the defending country should be allowed to use poison gas and napalm to exterminate the attacking country.
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>>57534314
I assume that you would like to ban ALL fragmentation munitions of any sort then? Because, I just really, really would like to see your explanation that describes, in detail, the difference between an "airburst munition" and a fragmentation grenade.

Clock starts ticking now. GO.
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>>57534569
>MUH 75 daily threads!!!
Are almost entirely SPAM and troll flooding by vatniggers and paid Kremlin shills. Usually there are about 6-10 credible discussion threads about some military or weapons aspect of the Ukraine invasion. If you cunts stop spamming /k/ with your slide threads there would only be about ten maximum and usually fewer.

But, you're not here to have a discussion. You're here to post disinfo and slide threads to derail the board and any real discussion that does get initiated. We know that. Your scripts and your tactics ar transparent and easy to spot.
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>>57534709
Quagmire Offensive.
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>>57534782
>undated
>unsourced
It's become so tiresome that it's now become recursively tiresome.
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>>57534314
>like they did cluster munitions
it's not banned
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>>57534343
>China already has a "similar" project with in-service applications.
The QTS-11 which is probably the shittiest take on the platform. It's 20mm is single shot without programmable ammo. Korea has the K11 which also had limited adoption and is a decent enough take as it solves some of the XM29's weight problems. Japan also had a pretty decent take on the system where the 20mm was modular, could be used on 420mm barrel to 120mm barrels, and also detached and used as an independent system similar to the XM25.
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>>57534782
That fat fuck looks like he hangs out at the local gun store talking about how if Ukraine used M1911s the war would been over in a week. While complaining about his diabeetus.
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>>57536700
Holy shit, that's literally idiot-proof. Very clever graphic design.
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>>57534709
vatnigger parade
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>>57534523
>Article was updated March 2022
>Edit: Bitch you thought.
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>>57534613
Jesus Christ - what ignorant cunt decided on the color palette for that?
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>>57534314
post hi-res sauce, i dont want cucked poststamp sized webm without sound
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>>57534940
He's gotten crazy in his old age.

>>57535257
Also that.
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>>57534566
i'd rather be poor than have russian tourists, fuck those animals
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>>57534314
Airburst has been around forever. Or did you not know how the original shrapnel shells work?
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>>57534458
Japan never lost ww2.
>Still had territory they controlled.
>Didn't surrender, merely pulled back to avoid worse losses like Russians in Kiev/Kharkiv/Kherson.

Gaijin shills BTFO
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>>57534314
Nerve gas???? Wtf



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