Seriously, the world needs to consider banning airburst munitions like they did cluster munitions
Why are airbursts so rarely seen in Ukraine footage anyways? I thought they were ubiquitous post '80s or so
>>57534314Why? There's no concern of leftover UXO posing a danger to noncombatants after the end of hostilities.
>>57534314airburst is fucking OP and XM-25 was goated1-2 accidents shouldn't mean it was taken out of serviceall this r&d feeding into NGSW optics and shit should be used to make an updated, more accurate, lighter and safer XM-25China already has a "similar" project with in-service applications.
>>57534329Probably expense, I would imagine.
>my guys are losing>BAN THIS WEAPON NOWEat shit ziggers
>>57534397Since when has failing to achieve anywhere close to the originally declared objective been winning?
>>57534314retard here, pretty sure that was just a regular 40mm from a mk19 that detonated on impact with the tree branch.
>>57534397>vatnik retard projecting his problems onto othersI'm sure Russian demographics are fantastic and Russia is doing great. AIDS are a western lie too.
>>57534329Because wect sent like 500 of them.
>>57534397then>we will take kiev in 3 daysnow>we haven't been kicked out completely so we are winning
>>57534397>When you've been occupying the entire eastern 20%It's around 16% including crimea and the separatist held areas but that's probably just pedantic.
>57534397This is the dumbest cope yet
>>57534397>country is in demographic catastrophe that will take a century to recoverrussia?
>>57534475>Where did an official Russian government source say this?propagandists on state tv said it, and ria novosti and other state publications published their victory article a couple of days into the invasion celebrating the fact ukraine had been returned to russia before redacting it lol
>>57534314>banningWhy are you considering Russians to human?
>>57534507>>57534523>what appears to be the account of>is reported to have told thatCome on. I know you people want this to be the truth, but even you are smarter than to fall for this propaganda weasel-word bullshit.
>>57534475nobody here is going to spoon feed you shill - fuck off back to pol you cunt.
>>57534343Yeah the XM-25 was conceptually fantastic, even prescient if you consider the extensive trench warfare of this current conflict. Though I think that extended-range and airburst-capable 40mm is generally a better idea. Russki 40mm launchers in particular are muzzle loaded, so there's no issue jamming a longer round in there with room for a booster rocket and electronics.
>>57534543>hundreds of state shills and state fund shills repeat "3 days" mantra for over a decade>SHOW ME DA PROOOOOFSI do hope you are paid for your spam.
>>57534554You don't get to ruin my board with 75 daily threads and then tell me to leave. Fuck you.
>>57534543>I have decided to conduct a special military operation>Its goal is to protect people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide for the last eight years.>And for this we will strive for the demilitarisation and denazification of Ukraine.>And to bring to court those who committed numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation.Post demilitarized and denazified Ukraine. Last I checked their army is in a better state now, materielly, than when this started.
>>57534566So you don't have proof. Thanks for confirming.
>>57534475Are you FYROMian by any chance?
>>57534338Yes there is, now it just has a proximity fuze.
>>57534397>someone said something I don't like>R U BOT?!?!?!Pathetic, I laugh every time I see you people get shredded by a grenade. Really the grenade is worth more than a russian life but why complain?
>>57534609>You're going to love when the war comes to your country and you will not be shown mercy or compassion as you had none for those dying.I live in the US, good luck
>>57534397>When you've been occupying the entire eastern 20% of your opponent's territory for a year straight and the entire rest of the country is in demographic catastrophe that will take a century to recover and their president is reduced to begging and groveling for western aid >losing Kek, do you guys honestly believe this shit or am I replying to bots?
>>57534609>Ukrainians aren't even fighting the warWhat?
>>57534609>Ukrainians aren't even fighting the war. It's a war between the West and Russia with Ukraine in the middle.what the fuck does that mean, the ukrainians are fighting it albeit with the help of western gibs
>>57534615NYETIT SPECIAL OPERATION
>>57534620It's the excuse Russians are using to avoid admitting they're losing a war to Ukraine and bringing themselves down while doing so.
>>57534611Ah, then you will get to endure maximum suffering.>>57534615Yes. That's what I said.
>>57534618to be fair he did have russian troops in kiev in two days, he never specified if they'd be alive
>>57534609>I don't live in Europe nor in Asia nor was I born there nor do I have family there. So ultimately I don't care who wins because it's not my problem. This is why I get to make nuanced and rational takes.Well, unlike you I live in Europe, and it's in my personal interest Russia get it's shit kicked in, therefore I care.YET, you seem way more determined to defend Russia than me to defend Ukraine.Quite weird, innit?
>demanding proof<showing you proof is waste of time>HAHAH SO YOU DONT HAVE PROOF GOTCHA<*posted proof*>Not watching propaganda, both side le bad, not a fan
>>57534629>Yes. That's what I said.Yeah, I get that, but I'm trying to make it make sense. Are you saying the Ukrainian armed forces aren't fighting Russia, or that they're entirely composed of foreign volunteers? Do you have any proof to back either scenario?>>57534621Good catch, QC must be slipping.
>>57534629>Ah, then you will get to endure maximum suffering.Another hundred million dollars to Ukraine, for every zigger cope post on /k/
>>57534577>Its goal is to protect people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide for the last eight years.I still can't believe that he immediately followed this with press-ganging every Donbabwean male standing and getting them all killed. I know he knows that I know he's lying etc., but even then the gall is amazing.
>>57534664>Yes. More money to Ukraine. Mr. Gates wants that chernozem.kek, I haven't heard this cope before, are those the new speaking lines?
>>57534475That's the fun part, they're not going to tell you. If they did, they know that they can be judged objectively. But from their behavior and their continued escalation, the reinstatement of Gerasimov over Surovikin who was content to hold onto what they had while lobbing munitions, speeches about forever war, their intentions are maximalist and they are simply not getting everything. It is incredibly Russian. They do it because it necessitates this pointless conversation instead of being able to acknowledge what should be obvious. You can't listen to what the Russians say. With single authoritarian leaders, even the Russians don't know what Putin is actually thinking from day to day. You have to pay attention to what they DO, and they say what they say to obscure how simple what they're doing actually is.
>>57534543>What's the declared objective and do you have an official Russian government source thereof? I'd love to see it.https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html>Now this problem is not — Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that her statehood will be eliminated, but she will be rebuilt, re-established and returned to her natural state part of the Russian world. Within what boundaries, in what form will the union with Russia be consolidated ( through CSTO and Eurasian Union or Union State Russia and Belarus)? This will be decided after the point in the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia is set. In any case, — the split of the Russian people is ending.at least that was the original aim but they redacted it with a quickness and settled for the current mercuriality when it became clear it wasn't happening
>>57534664>But to act like they're somehow "losing" is comical.How is it called, when you invade, and get bogged down for a year? Any special term? Postponed winning? Snoozed victory? On-hold success?
>>57534475>getting caught in a NATO glowy trap and getting pummeled in the face with western gibs and having all of your leftover soviet stock turned into scrap metal is winningKek. If Russia isn't losing so hard why do you retards keep memoryholing the Kharkiv and Kherson collapse? Tell me do you get to 20% without Kherson or Kharkiv? 15% doesn't sound so great does it?
>>57534314That's a fancy word for shrapnel rounds.Bioweapons are banned and yetRussia deploys tactical AIDS pidor squads.
>>57534314Cluster munitons are banned because of UXO, not because they're good at killing. Retard
>>57534708also this wasn't published just on ria, it was scheduled for upload at the same time on a number of state outlets
>>57534664>But to act like they're somehow "losing" is comical.Post KievPost VDVPost 155th guardPost WagnerPost 1st Guard TankPost BuchaPost LPRPost DPRPost PisskeyPost IzyumPost KharkivPost Bakhmut>A year straight of losses>Yes, but we are still dying in the parts we occupy even today!lmao.
>>57534569>muh boardgtfo vatnik, fuck off back to pol you fucking cunt.
>>57534591i think he means from bomblets that get scattered after a cluster bomb
>>57534314cluster munitions are also used in this war
>>57534609>nuanced and rational takes>thinks getting pummeled in the face with NATO gibs in a corner of the country that's barely an hours drive away from the border is winning>Ukraine gets western funding and aid after the war is over to help them, while Russia gets total brain drain and collapse>NATO gets two new members and the Baltic sea becomes NATO sea.it's rational to a mentally ill schizo maybe. I'm not sure why vatniggers keep repeating 20% like it means anything. that 20% is NATO's bear trap, and Russia can choose to lose retreat or a lose leg, or fucking die. I'd rather have them bleed out and die to be honest.
>>57534782Merciful Moderate Poles, suggesting that we should even allow Russia to continue on at all.
>>57534664FOX said gates is a chinese communist now, so you need new cope
>>57534633My sides, they have left me
>>57534475Take a blade, and open your lying throat you silly cunt
>>57534940Well, he got a Nobel peace prize so yeah...
>>57534433Their declared objective is being niggers so they win simply by existing. Ask yourself which other nation of "people" brags about all the harm they do, how much they can get away with stealing, keeping track of how rayciss whitey is going extinct and replaced etc.
>>57534338Yes there is lol. Not a reason for banning it but all munitions have dud rates. An airburst munition could very well just not go off and plant into the ground.
>>57534613hey, hasn't YOUR country failed to recover its demographic MORE than a century after you retards tanked it multiple times through human waves, starvation, AIDS, and homosexuality?
>>57534613sorry, >>57535747 was meant for >>57534397
>>57534782>reduce to only 50 millionthis kind of extremism sickens me. As a moderate I say only complete extermination will work.
>>57534329Probably lack of proxy fuzes in inventory and lack of crews trained on using delay fuzes effectively
>>57534629In this country only WE are allowed to kill ourselves, you will be destroyed if you think you can partake in that.
>>57534822Based.No offers to surrender, or declined earlier?
>>57534352Just like shotguns back in the day, eh?
>>57534314WhyThey don't shit up the area and after the conflict ends doesn't pose any danger to civilians
>>57535618Thats the same for any sort of munition. Fuses fail. The difference with cluster bombs is that the submunitions by their nature have very basic and unreliable fuses that tend to produce duds, multiplied hy the large number of submunitions. Thats why many states ban them. Airburst proximilty ammo likely has a large, complex fuse with multiple redundant systems. So no more likely to produce duds than regular shells. This why theyre safer and what the other anon meant with the previous post.
>>57534329They're standard for America but many Euro nations cheaped out and bought 10% airburst fuzes + 90% impact only.
>>57534314Who would enforce this ban?
>>57536037Thank you for the elaboration, this was exactly what I meant but phrased much more accurately.
>>57535802> lack of crews trained on using delay fuzes effectivelyHere's a French FU-RALEC fuze that was provided alongside the caesars.It has 2 setting: superquick (contact fuze) and proximity fuze.You just twist the selector in the correct position to get an airburst. Nothing extra needed.
>>57535864Thats' what confuses the hell out of me, the second guy killed in the full video clearly had ample to to yell "don't shoot I surrender" and he knew he was being stormed, he'd have to be certified deaf and blind even before those grenades went off in his dugout. But instead he chooses to remain hidden and silent and gets killed in the end because the ukie clearly wasn't going to wait on him to collect his thoughts.
>>57535570>vatnigs to /gif/ and post fetish fantasy porn to copeI’m not surprised at all.
another seething vattie holocausted
>>57534314cunting ass bullshit motherfucking watermark scrolls across the goddamn airburst right as it motherfucking bursts shit ass goddamn motherfuck
>>57535570>>57537814Reminder that vatnikkers spam interracial porn here when the shit is going down bad enough.
>>57534343Carl gustaf's HE round has an airbust mode.
>>57534314Have (You) considered, maybe, NOT invading sovereign countries and NOT raping, NOT murdering, NOT looting, and NOT human trafficking in children of the people living there?Frankly, in the face of this sort of shit, the defending country should be allowed to use poison gas and napalm to exterminate the attacking country.
>>57534314I assume that you would like to ban ALL fragmentation munitions of any sort then? Because, I just really, really would like to see your explanation that describes, in detail, the difference between an "airburst munition" and a fragmentation grenade.Clock starts ticking now. GO.
>>57534569>MUH 75 daily threads!!!Are almost entirely SPAM and troll flooding by vatniggers and paid Kremlin shills. Usually there are about 6-10 credible discussion threads about some military or weapons aspect of the Ukraine invasion. If you cunts stop spamming /k/ with your slide threads there would only be about ten maximum and usually fewer.But, you're not here to have a discussion. You're here to post disinfo and slide threads to derail the board and any real discussion that does get initiated. We know that. Your scripts and your tactics ar transparent and easy to spot.
>>57534782>undated>unsourcedIt's become so tiresome that it's now become recursively tiresome.
>>57534314>like they did cluster munitionsit's not banned
>>57534343>China already has a "similar" project with in-service applications.The QTS-11 which is probably the shittiest take on the platform. It's 20mm is single shot without programmable ammo. Korea has the K11 which also had limited adoption and is a decent enough take as it solves some of the XM29's weight problems. Japan also had a pretty decent take on the system where the 20mm was modular, could be used on 420mm barrel to 120mm barrels, and also detached and used as an independent system similar to the XM25.
>>57534782That fat fuck looks like he hangs out at the local gun store talking about how if Ukraine used M1911s the war would been over in a week. While complaining about his diabeetus.
>>57536700Holy shit, that's literally idiot-proof. Very clever graphic design.
>>57534523>Article was updated March 2022>Edit: Bitch you thought.
>>57534613Jesus Christ - what ignorant cunt decided on the color palette for that?
>>57534314post hi-res sauce, i dont want cucked poststamp sized webm without sound
>>57534940He's gotten crazy in his old age.>>57535257Also that.
>>57534566i'd rather be poor than have russian tourists, fuck those animals
>>57534314Airburst has been around forever. Or did you not know how the original shrapnel shells work?
>>57534458Japan never lost ww2. >Still had territory they controlled.>Didn't surrender, merely pulled back to avoid worse losses like Russians in Kiev/Kharkiv/Kherson.Gaijin shills BTFO
>>57534314Nerve gas???? Wtf