Do you think Su-27 bullied the drone or is a legit way to destroy your enemie without firing a bullet?Do you think Russia plans to recover wreckage of USA drone?
>>57530935>risking the destruction of a muti-million dollar fighter craft and trained pilot so you can down some El Cheapo unmanned drone without shooting itno it was a fucking stupid idea, Russia will not be able to recover the drone because US assets are already above the crash site and they are damn lucky not to have lost a plane in the process
>is ramming legit
>>57530935>russia did something>is it badYou know the response you r going to get right? Or is this your first time on /k/?
>>57530935why is this such a big deal i dont get the reason to post about it for days, the ballon was kinda funny but this is just who cares? i wouldnt have heard about it if not for visiting /k/
>>57531319>w-hy aint yah all takin' my bait?
>>57531361to each their own>>57531377sorry ill take the bait next time im a bad anon
>>57530935>JET RAMMING = BAN
>>57531319Not Big deal. You are right, is just the bear killing annoying bees.
>>57531361Is it really? Ramming a drone that didn't even react to your multiple attempt of intimidation? Even if it was armed, it wouldn't have reacted.
>>57530979They already recovered it though
>>57531319doesnt really change my opinion on killing neo soviets and western 5th columnists
>>57530935>legit wayMore like an accident and Russia risking damaging a irreplaceable jet to intimidate a replaceable drone. The last time this happen, america had to make their drones have f-22 escorts.https://www.businessinsider.com/how-an-f-22-once-flew-under-an-iranian-f-4-and-told-it-to-go-home-2018-12
>>57531319Ukies recently shot down an SU-25 over at Berestove so the shill bots are working overtime
>>57533242>The Global Hawk is a 32million dollar unitCheap for America
>>57530979nafo wishful thinker or a plain stupid twitter tranny?
>>57533124Why are you so state obeying?
>>57530935>Do you think Russia plans to recover wreckage of USA drone?Russia already recovered it. The drone is resting on board the Moskva as we speak
>>57533242>The Global Hawk is a 32million dollar unit. Its cost is nearly on par with the cost of a Su27.>MQ-9 is a Global Hawk>Nearly on par with the cost of a SU-27Can Russians even REPLACE their planes? How is risking a combat craft thats difficult to replace and its pilot even near as worth it to take out a fucking Surveillance drone that your enemy can shit out by the thousands?> Not only that but being able to stop your adversary from collecting intel which is provided to your opposition while you’re in a war is pretty invaluable.What the happened to the vaunted Russian EW? What the fuck is even happening over there?
Can someone please explain to me why Russia recovering a Drone we get shot down constantly over random sand nigger countries is a big deal?
>>57533242Oh no not 2.6*e^-3% of the NATO yearly budget how will NATO ever recover from this.For no damage to NATO forces Putin has: >given a good motive to NATO to send in the jets>next military aid package will be bigger>shown the world that the theory that Russian pilots are shit is true.but hey they pissed on a drone
>>57530935These glavset plane shitting memes are so bizarre
>>57533242Ramming a global hawk would actually make sense because it would deny an expensive strategic asset, MQ-9s are dime a dozen. As far as I know Russians have made zero attempts at harassing things that actually matter.
>>57533255Cheap no, but capital is readily available and we do have others. To simply write this off is coping though. America should have taken a tougher stance instead we did the political equivalent of calling them a bully and proceeded to not fly out drones in the same region out of fear of a similar incident. Truthfully we should have flown an armed escort in response and checked the Russians bluff. I feel that we lost face on the global stage by simply backing away.>>57533277>Can the Russians replace their planes? Yes, albeit slowly.>how is risking a combat aircraft worth taking out a surveillance drones?Removing an opponents ability to understand what is happening in a battle space is invaluable. Where as Ukraine would have had early warning on any airbases that would be mass wing planes/tank formations staging for an offensive they were left for a moment with no help in planning. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are EXTREMELY reliant on American and NATO intel gathering. Intel can absolutely make or break a battle. >shitting out thousands of dronesIn theory possible, but not likely nor based in reality. Truthfully we’d be lucky to procure another 5-10 by the end of the year. If you’re ever interested in learning about military procurement the DoD posts what they’re purchasing annually and how long it takes for them to reach their units.>what happened to the vaunted Russian EW?Overrated and apparently much less capable then previously though. However EW isn’t aimed at destroying drones 50000 feet in the air.
>>57533345>send in the jetsRussia will just Kalibr the airbase they are based at.
>>57531319it's like T-bagging for aircrafts. It's fucking funny
>>57533399>Russia will just Kalibr the airbase they are based at.why haven't Russia already done that? why wait for Nato jets?also fun fact, mig-29s, f-16, a-10, shitten and plenty more military aircrafts can be operated on highways.https://youtu.be/F_cxkF6qSY8
> why evil west accuse russia of downing US drone? russia didnt do nothing! stop bully russia, west bad!> US releases video of an idiot jet pilot ramming the drone like its a Battlefield game> XAXAXAXAXA RUSSIA STRONK we downed the drone after all, cope and seethe westoidjust another proof of vatnik brainrot
>>57533242>The Global Hawk is a 32million dollar unit.So it's cheap.>Its cost is nearly on par with the cost of a Su27.And a trained combat pilot costs more than either. Though I guess it gets cheaper when you have only russian "training".Also, it was an MQ-9, dumbass.
>>57533399With what Kalibrs? Also, NATO will just Patriot your shit missiles and then wipe out the launch sites/airbases they came from for good measure.
>>57533554>Patriotcouldnt even protect a saudi oil factories from kurdish DIY garbage pile rocketsxDDDD>>57533554>wipe out the launch sites/airbases they came from for good measureoh nononon nafo sisters, dont tell her
>>57533242>global hawkIts not a global hawk.
>>57533365>Yes, albeit slowly.They literally cannot, anon. They no longer have the manufacturing tools for parts and maintenance. Their entire aerospace industry has been getting choked to death
>>57533399>kalibres>meme missiles that can barely hit their targets>against a variety of an actual air defense networks ranging from jets to SAMs
>>57533242America has unlimited money because fiat>Russia going dollar for dollar with USAGood luck.
>>57533242>Its cost is nearly on par with the cost of a Su27It's more, in nominal dollar value. The difference is that the US is an industrial titan with war coffers that are basically infinitely bounded, the biggest economy in the world, and the ability to keep on churning out cheap drones for as long as it needs to. Russia's economy is the size of a gnat's fart in comparison. >if the punishment for a crime is a fine, that law only applies to the poorRussia has to diligently watch its speed while on the road. The United States peels out in a Bugatti with Jew Bidden in the back seat, throwing money out the window to passing niggers. Russia's expenses are not the same.
russians are wrong if they think they get away with this. I am looking forward to it.
>>57533632>>57533632>unlimited moneythats not how economics work
>>57533242Pretty sure the reaper cost less than that, but the difference is that america can actually replace it. Russia has the economy of texas. Don't forget the amount of money and time it takes to train pilots.
>>57533669For what?Lesson was clear: stay out of Russian borders.And with China emerging as a new peace dealer in Middle East and Africa, with it's giant industrial base and gentle diplomacy, we soon to witness USA to be kicked out of an eastern hemisphere.I don't see anything US can do.
>>57533680I've wished you good luck in your stated goal of getting into a spending war with the US? Why are you so nervous? The conversation is over.
>>57533698>For what?Why are you trying to play a retard?>Lesson was clear: stay out of Russian borders.The drone didn't cross russian border.Anyway the answer is coming and it's going to be much more painful to russkei.
>>57533698>china emerging >muh americans getting kicked outChina isn't doijg shit aside from making countries fall into debt traps. More and more countries starts to become less reliant on china and america is here to stay no matter what the chinks do.>stay out of russian bordersAsk the iranians on how america feels about getting their drones harrassedTldr: it didn't stop america from shadowing iran and america stepped up its security around their drones.
>>57533698>Middle East and Africa, with it's giant industrial base and gentle diplomacy, we soon to witness USA to be kicked out of an eastern hemisphere. I don't see anything US can do.China isn't doing that good in regards to their industry and diplomacy. You're being really optimistic, chang.
>>57533696>pretty sure the reaper cost less than that28 million or something. As reccy drones go, they're cheap as chips.
>>57533732China doesn't need to do "that good". They just need to be better than USofA/NATO.
>>57533754>Kicked out of Iraq.>of Iran.>of Syria.What? America is still in Syria and iraq, what the fuck are you babbling about?>pakistan and indiaAnd?>saudi arabiaThe same country that consistently ask america for security assurance against iran?>And then there is Russia in Mali, China in Algeria and EgyptAnd how are those countries doing, retard? Do you need a run up on how chinese soldiers flee their post or russian PMCs unable to suppress ISIS of all people?
>>57533242>32million dollar unitmuch more than that
>>57533669>how dare you shoot our drone thousands of miles away from our own borders and actively spying on yours?
>>57533617Do you really believe in that? Just wondering, how old are you, where are you from, what are you backgrounds and why do you hold on your opinion on the wishful-thinking pro-ukie reddit/twitter pages.
>>57533757>just need to be betterThats the thing, they are not. Making countries into debt ridden shitholes is not a productive way to invest and make progress. It does the opposite and its just a short term solution for a long term problem. Russia is shit too. What both countries have in common is that they both appease to dictators.
>>57533754>kickee out of iraq2014 called, they want the americans back.
>>57533793post indoor plumbing, nigger
>>57533786Yes, be grateful it's not flying over moscow vatnigger subhuman.
>>57533786International waters is fair game and the russians do it all the time when they were the Soviet union and now.
>>57530935Killing aircraft without shooting them is always going to be politically useful, they should learn from China and throw flares instead of crashing into them.
>>57533855Not the extent of the U.S., but they still park their subs and send bombers to U.s. air space on a dailly basis. By that logic, america has free rein to shoot down any russian bomber coming to alaskan air space.>muttYou're talking about the russians? Yea, they are mutts.
>>57533855>m-muttsPeople who says this are mutts themselves. I don't get this retarded /int/ meme since every ethnic groups are not pure themselves and the ones that call americans mutts are mutts themselves.
>>57533887>You're talking about the russians? Yea, they are mutts.nice retort. You have to go back>>57533903>the ones that call americans mutts are mutts themselveskeep believing that you golem
>>57533915>nice retort. You have to go back>literally no argument Glad we can agree that russians are mutts.
>bulliedThe pilot clearly accidently crashed into it. Probably because Russia is a poor country that can't afford to train its pilots regularly.
>>57533915>keep believing that you golemConcessions accepted. You're likely projecting because you're a mutt yourself.>n-no you see, i am 100% germanNo, you're likely a combination of multiple ethnic groups and maybe some tint of african. If you're from a third world country like the middle east or africa/asia, you're more muttified than anybody else in the world.
>>57531871Yeah, all those 20 ships are there just for fun.
>>57533934Nice projection, faggot. I am sure loosely shouting reddit towards someone will do wonders.
>>57531319>why is this such a big dealAss blasted US paid posters
>>57533915>>57533934Anon, you're making it seem more personal than anything. Are you actually a mutt calling other people mutts?
>>57533124>Killing western 5th columnistsCool it with the antisemitic remarks
>>57534010>commie symbols on the hatWas this made on /leftypol/?
>>57533782>what are ground control systems, support systems, parts and training>HUR DUR MORE THAN THATBASED retard.
>>57533782You're fucking retarded if you think a drone is more expensive than a fuckin F22 and F35 combined.
>>57534036I saw it hereI also noticed the drone is Turkish
>>57534094Even his article explained that it includes ground stations, support systems and shit like that. There is no way they're over $100m each kek.
>>57531319>why is this such a big dealBecause it's funny. Lighten up.
>>57533356Yeah, an RQ-4 global hawk is ~$130m the MQ-9 Reaper is nothing in comparison.
it became clearly with the video the drone purposefully slowed down to hit the evading fighter jet, and then it found ours are not so frail as theirs
>>57534293Ahhh yes, the MQ-9 drone with a cruise speed of 170kts slowed down intentionally to get in the way of an Su-27 which cruises above 400kts and can hit over 1400 kts with after burners.And the MQ-9 did this 19 times in a roweither the Su-27 pilot is worse than we thought, or the MQ-9 is alien tech that can fly circles around the Su-27
Why wouldn't they just use cannon instead?
>>57534341Because then they can't claim it was an accidentnow they can publicly say to the western world, "oops our bad" and then in russian domestic media you brag about how your pilots valiantly took down an American drone spying on mother russia illegally. It doesn't matter if none of that is true, you still give the pilots a medal and make them out as heroes in the homeland.Harder to do that when you shoot down a western plane and the west starts shooting back. The domestic populace would cheer for Russia shooting down an American drone too, but they'd cry foul if the US attacked back, so it's in russia's best interest to destroy it without firing a shot so they can try and get the best of both worlds (NATO doesn't want to shoot you for it, and your own media and populace love you for downing evil American spy plane)
>>57534368But they didn't. They gave the plane's crew medals. They openly said the drone was in the russian airspace.
>>57534380...that's what I said> in russian domestic media you brag about how your pilots valiantly took down an American drone spying on mother russia illegally. It doesn't matter if none of that is true, you still give the pilots a medal and make them out as heroes in the homeland.
>>57534036are you not aware they're flying soviet flags left and right?
>>57530935lol, who cares ? it was a dumb fucking propaganda stunt, nothing but a bit of distraction from the waves of russians currently being sent to their deaths. if you really give a shit about muh drone vs plane you're likely some glavset cocksucker or vatnik shill looking to deflect from russia's atrocious military performance and the massive meatwave death toll - have at it i guess but maybe limit such dogshit posting here and just fuck off to pol thx.
>>57534380>reads the first line of a post>instantly responds without reading anything elsewewlad
>>57534405Reading is for faggots.
>>57533915Post heritageProud Anglo/Brythonic/Norse mutt hereWhat are you?
>>57534380But they didn't "attack" itThey were just joshin around, havin a giggleThe USA walked back their rhetoric tooNeither wants a full fight
>Dump fuel in drone's path>Drone doesn't fly through the vapor cloud>Try again>Collide with drone>Damage to drone was two deformed propsNot impressed
>>57530979Doesn't the Reaper cost more than SU-27?
>>57534587the estimated unit price for a basic ass Su-27 is something like $30mil while a Reaper is $37mil
>>57534542The drone crashed and the Russians have gone to grab it.
>>57534608That's the line item cost of each reaper in the program with the TOTAL cost of the program spread evenly between them.The ACTUAL cost of the drone physically in pure dollars is closer to $18M, the rest is associated shit like maintinace crews, training, spare parts, R&D, etc.
>>57531539>JET RAMMING = BANDamn bro this brings me back.
>>57533242>being able to stop your adversary from collecting intelHow long do you think it took for another one to be in the air? 7-8 minutes?
>>57531871May we see it?
>>57535359This is still the funniest cope. It's like a child saying they can beat a grown man because they threw a paper at him and he just told him to fuck off.
>>57534777No you may not. Only friends of the Russian Federation can see it.
>>57535359But they are literally stopped. They can't even get further than 100k into Ukraine.
>>57534680Nigga the US already did
>>57535359>ALLIANCES ARE...BADThe fuck even goes on in these retards brains that they think having allies is a weakness?
>>57535359nigga if NATO was directly involved there would be a victory parade in Moscow long time ago
>>57535509Wow, 10 km in 6 months, they sure are moving fast!
Didn’t the Russians lose two T-90ms and a Su-25 the day after?
Su-27 is aesthetic.
>>57535359Russians are the only ones saying that all of NATO is involved, NATO is feathering the gas so Russia doesn't lose it and nuke everyone.
>>57530935So many deleted post, why people get mad at this?
>>57530935Accidentally crashing into a level drone st low altitude isnt really an achievement
>>57534608Big difference is that US can make more Reapers, but Russia can't make any more Flankers
I'm not sure why so many people get this wrong, like the big deleted post in this thread which many people replied to. The drone they collided with was a MQ-9, not a Global Hawk. The Global Hawk, as far as public info goes, is purely for reconnaissance and does not carry weapons. The USAF did not start flying Global Hawks over the black sea "only yesterday", the FORTE Global Hawks have been consistently flying there over international waters since the war began, even with their transponders on so anyone can track them. The MQ-9 drones generally do not have transponders turned on.Perhaps the russian troll farms need to update the script they use with more believable disinformation.
>>57537722If Russia is making Felons, they can also make Flankers.
>russians need to resort to dumping fuel and literal mid air collisions to bring down a 20 year old droneThe truly sad part is that the drone operator was near certainly ordered to not bother attempting to countermanuever or fight back; if he had been there's a good chance even with shitty surface to ground missiles the SU-27 would be ash lmao
Why are ruskies so obsessed with shit?
>>57531319It’s not a big deal. Vatniks are trying to turn this into their personal F-117 and failing miserably.
>>57533277>What the happened to the vaunted Russian EW?They memoryholed it since it was so embarrassing.
>>57533352They were made before the footage was released so they’re not even accurate either.
>>57533698>international waters/airspace>Russia’s bordersPick one.
>>57540628>russians are now implying they’re yugoslav tier, unironicallyHas a people cope so hard, that they push way past pity and into extreme hatred?
>>57540526They learned it from the Bolshevik Jews.
>>57530935youre on a board full of people defending one of the most corrupt and impoverished nations in europe run by a gay jew just to continue their Russian hate, what response are you expecting to get
>>57530935Russians are saying this drone flew with transponders off, which is unlikely considering that we have all seen the FORTE flights on Flightradar.Do we have actual flightradar data on this flight that shows they lie?
>>57530935It's retarded because the US can scramble any sensitive data on the drone. The tech itself is from the 90s, so I guess Russia could gain like 20 years of technology if they were capable of recovering it. And I do think they're able to recover it with their submarine Moscva in the area.
>>57533739That's the newest variant. The old ones were like 2-4 mill.
>>57534368>Oops our bad>Spends 30 minutes dropping fuel on the drone firstThey might as well have shot it down honestly, what's the fucking difference, you're still trying to knock it out the sky.
>>57534680This cope was hilarious. They were simultaniously going>Axaxaxaxaxaxa look at all those ships searching for the wreckage where it came downand >Look were totally going to take it, it was in our airspace and landed in our deep (not actually deep) waters and out superior recovery tech will steal it's technology axaxxaaxxaIf they wanted a reaper they could have asked Iran, and it certainly won't have glided back to Russian airspace was KM up in the air, it could have probably glided 30 miles.Cheap domestic political points with a separate external narrative, and desperation from Russia trying to remove American planes from helping Ukriane (Hint, they will still do that)
>>57542949This way they can still "pretend" with the flimsiest of excuses, vranyo at its bestWe know they are lyingThey know we know they are lying
>>57534368>The domestic populace would cheer for Russia shooting down an American drone too, but they'd cry foul if the US attacked backhttps://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1636624909781831680
>>57543020What does it say? I don't have twitter available.
>>57531319>why is this such a big deal i dont get the reason to post about it for daysBecause this is the only victory that Russians can actually claim that they have caused to NATO so Vatniks are milking it to the end of time.
>>57543033>We did nothing wrong since this a zone of Special Military Operation™®
>>57543084>zone of Special Military OperationDo they have the defining borders of their "SMO"?Anyway, the retaliation is coming.
>>57540441Russias making Felons?
>>57540441They're not making Felons either lolIt's an airshow prototype
>>57543084I don't get russian logic, if they think it's ok to shot down anything they want close to Ukraine, why they went through the process of fueling on top of drone and then ramming it instead of rocketing it in the first place?
>>57543151I don’t think they were trying to actually down it I think they were just messing with it before the collision
>>57543151>why they went through the process of fueling on top of drone and then ramming it instead of rocketing it in the first place?Why did they try to lie and say that the drone just crashed on it's own until the US released video of them making passes and dumping fuel on it? Don't try to understand the logic of Russian talking heads because there is no logic to what they say
>>57543177Low trust society makes that easy
vatnik san if you can't take down slow drone turn o banzai mode kek
>>57543114i think you are coping.
>>57533261You are losing
>>57544609A Felon just swam in my lake!
>>57533399literally the main lesson the air war in Ukraine should have taught you so far is that air defence works