The PREVIOUS generation of NK tanks are better than anything Russia has.
>>57527172Some awesome dude added QR codes to the image so you don't have to go to the archive for most of the links.
>>575271723.5 generations. Late model Chonma-hos, all Songuns and m2020 all have a 125mm with wet ammo storage and no autoloader.
>>57527172>engine loses 1/3 of it's power in hot ukranian weatherWhat the fucking fuck.Btw wasn't the T-72/90 only capable to drive something like 4km/h in reverse? How did that fare out in the conflict?
>>57527273Unlike NK they can't make new stretched hulls so they have to put oversized engines in old hulls with inadequate cooling. >>57527224>Maximum that Russia can make out of cold war designs >Meantime in Pyongyang Hilarious that T-62 turned out to be the better base platform.
>>57527273I think clusterfucks like Vulhedar and that river crossing last may tell you all you need to know about that questionCould you imagine the backlash back home if even 1% of the amount of abrams/whatever got some Nato troopers killed because of very, very, very obvious flaws that shouldn't have even been considered?
>>57527273the engine is sitting in a fucking hotbox of a engine bay which means the efficiency goes to shit when you feed it already hot intake air
>>57527461>>57527273Funny thing is NK tanks use a V-12 based on a older T-72 engine, however they had the brains to enlarge the compartment and add extra venting.I think it really gets down to Russia not being able to make new hulls so they can't do sustained incremental improvements like NK and Israel.
>>57527172They nearly lost to Germany with the help of the Allies and now those nigger think they have a good chance against NATO? lmao
>>57527172They're basically Iraqi tier tanks?
>>57527172>>57514627Original thread archive
>>57527273No need reverse comrade, orders say go forward
>the autoloader is largely identical to the one on the T-72. 22 rounds in the carousel and 18 additional rounds in the turret bustle. BUT THE BUSTLE ISN’T CONNECTED TO THE CREW COMPARTMENT. A CREWMAN HAS TO PHYSICALLY GET OUT OF THE TANK TO PASS THE AMMUNITION INSIDE (translator’s note: LMAO).Please tell me this isnt true
>>57528850It is
>>57527555>I think it really gets down to Russia not being able to make new hulls so they can't do sustained incremental improvements like NK and Israel.Why can't they make new hulls?
>>57527555the fact that russia cant produce its own tank hulls anymore but North Korea can is mind blowing. Russia truely is just working with archeotech at this point.
>>57529816they likely dont have the tooling / plant setups to do it anymore. Setting up a full scale assembly line for a vehicle takes a lot of work, returning to building an existing machine / object that hasnt been made for decades is even harder. The old guys who figured out little flaws or fixed design flaws on the fly on the assembly line are likely dead or in another country now.
You people are delusional.
>>57529413It's like they want the crew to get sniped.
>>57530161You are upset
>>57529413ffs russia
>>57530138>>57529816Meanwhile NK is putting it's seventh road wheel onto a T-62 based hull and doubling the cooling/ventilation for the V-12 engine.2023: The DPRK is literally 30 years more advanced than Russia.
>>57529816Because Mykola said so!
>>57530119By numbers North Korea might be the worlds largest producer of armored vehicles other than the PRC in the last decade.
>>57527172May I see a source?
>>57530161>He doesn't know that Vladivostok is a historically Korean city
>>57531367They are called QR codes, you need advanced NATO encryption technology called code name 'smartphone' to access them: >>57527224
>>57527273Videos of advancing tanks encountering basic RPG infantry, tank stopping, reversing 2kph for 5min, still getting fired at, driver gives up turns around to start driving away at normal speed. Gets shot in the ass with rpg7 and turret gets tossed.
>>57528850It's not as bad as it sound - If it comes to the point you need to reload under fire, something has already gone horribly wrong
>>57527650Saddam got the good stuff after USSR collapse, Putin left Russia with stock in his shop no one else wanted to buy
>>57528850better than the Russian turret tossing competition
>>57531482>>57531490>>57531507Am i the only person who thinks it hilarious that the DPRK figured out wet turret bustle storage before Russia? Russia had a 50 year head start.Didn't the Russians look at the thousands of lend lease Shermans they got?
>>57531507It still tosses the turret, moron, but now it has propellant to make it do a forward flip or add a second stage motor to the launch.
>>57527555>they can't do sustained incremental improvementsStandard Template Construct. A blueberry like you wouldn't understand.
>>57531548>wet stowageHey now, the T-72 has wet stowage - it's the fuel tanks (yes, really).
>>57531874BMP's have diesel bath for dismounts. No western IFV has that, not even the infamous tea kettle of all Bongoloid armored vehicles can compete with that level of comfort.
>>57529413Just enough space to fit Saddam hussein
>>57531829Rogal Dorn is Korean as is Peata-bro.>>57531874I know, diesel fuel is not armor.
>>57527172>THE BUSTLE ISN'T CONNECTED TO THE CREW COMPARTMENTthe absolute state of Ukrainian military experts? That was the whole fucking point. They're getting rid of loose ammo storage all around the crew compartment.>>57530119Russia does produce it's own hulls, wtf are you on about? >>57529816Because some dumbass on this board will make an outlandish claim and some other retard will believe it. >>57530161I didn't think this board could get any stupider but it always delivers.
>>57532001I'm with you armatard, people forget about the Armata so quickly. Russia can produce new hulls whenever they want, it's just designing them that's the problem.
>>57532029>armatardYou're supposed to call them vatniks now, no one remembers armatard. Get the right script or your pay will be docked.
>>57532039But this thread isn't about Ukraine, it's about Russian tank design and procurement. Armatard is appropriate.
>>57532048vatnik is not about ukraine, it's any russian nationalist or propaganda regurgitator or soviet nostalgic. armatard is only fit for F35 threads and should still probably be phased out to stay relevant.
>>57532001>Russia does produce it's own hulls, wtf are you on about?It has not by its own admission for 30 years, closer to 35.>>57532048Its about the DPRK having better tanks and production levels, that seems to trigger them alot.
>>57527172>North Korea has a better MIC than Russia
>>57531368Yongmingcheng is Chinese, you moron.
>>57532086>>57532087You are bad at this >>57532062>>57532065>>57532048This image triggers Russian shills and brings them out like catnip.
>>57527172>The PREVIOUS generation of NK tanks are better than anything Russia hasMemes are funny but NK is just worse Russia
>>57532065>It has not by its own admission for 30 years, closer to 35.Source it fag. Not finding anything on google or the archives.
>>57529816> Soviet machining industry tries to go its own way instead of following advances because "we're totally better than HATO"> Soviet machining industry dies> Soviet union dies> Russia replaces soviet machining industry with western imports (by which I mostly mean EU)> Russia invades Crimea> Western imports stop> All Russian modernization programs (like the t-14 and the Femboy) stop> Russia literally can't do anything without the EU selling them the parts> Not even tractors> They can't even make break hoses or seatbelts for their Ladas> Faggots worship Putin because "stronk man"
>>57532138NK actually upgraded its tanks in the last 30 years and has a Leader who pays attention to things that are important, Russia does not.
>>57532157>NK actually upgraded its tanks in the last 30 yearsPlease. Let's see them in action first. Do they even have ammunition that can pen T64/72/80/90 with ERA?
>>57532164Bitch the fucking newer C90 versions have been proven capable of punching through ERA in Ukraine. And that's NATO's RPG-7 equivalent, it doesn't get cheaper than that!At this point I'm pretty sure any actual tank gun can beat your cope pannels
>>57532145Show me a new Russian tank hull made in numbers greater than 10 in the last 30 years. I'm waiting.>>57532164They are armed with the same 125mm gun as all front line Russian tanks and the same or improved ammo.If their guns don't work neither do yours.Idiot.
>>57527172>>57527224I'm starting to wonder if there's a SINGLE piece of hardware in the Russian military that actually works as advertised and isn't a flashy piece of shit.Just take it in for a second. North Korea, a nation that is>an bigger dystopian shithole than Russia>has virtually no natural resources to speak of besides coal and iron ore>a military with virtually no combat experience in living memory owing to their abysmal life expectancy and the fact that the last noteworthy armed conflict they fought in ended in 1953>a nonexistent trading relationship with the rest of the world>generates a significant portion of its GDP through the illicit production of crystal meth and counterfeit United States currency like a slant-eyed Walter White>an industrial base running off even more ancient Soviet-era fumes than contemporary Russia>was being economically sanctioned by the West back when it was still called embargoing>only exists because China wants a buffer state between them and countries with American airbasesnot only designs and fields its own modern combat equipment, but is able to produce MORE of it than Russia, which was until February 23, 2022, was considered by many (including myself) to be second most-powerful military power on the planet.
>>57532191>backtracking>has no article or sourceDamn, I know you're baiting but you're really fucking bad at this. You give NKino a bad name.
>>57532191That's easy! The t-14.Oh, I know what you're thinking. "They only made 14 of those!"Exactly. You said more than 10. They made 4 more.Checkmate... I mean Femboy.
>>57532209Right now they're probably exporting quite a bit of said equipment to Russia. They don't give a shit about sanctions, after all.
>>57532259>be Russian tanks>climb in "brand new" T-62 obr. 2022>all of the upgrades have their instructions written in fucking KoreanHow did it even come to this?
>>57532259So their equipment is worthless but Russia's military is relying on them exporting weapons to Russia?
>>57532290See:>>57532152Tldr: Russian industry died. Russia imported all their shit. Post-2014 sanctions stopped imports. Russia now has no shit.
>>57527172>mfw eveb Pakistan has a more advanced AFV industry than Russia>mfw Paki Al-Zarrar an upgraded T-55 has more modern components than Russian T-90.
>>57532325Don't forget Algeria having 330 'terminators' while Russia has maybe a dozen, not mention Algeria's are better.Also based on based T-62s
MIGHTY DOMESTIC INDIAN ARJUN DESTROYS ALL OTHER TANKS
>>57532355Reminds me of this.Both T-55 and T-62 actually has more space for upgrades.The Paki Al-zarrar has a semi auto loader, 125mm gun, modern SAGEM 3rd gen sights, BMS and fuck more.
>>57532325Imports make all the difference my friend. Pakistan can import what it can't build. Russia can't. And that's why going to war against the west is fucking retarded. This is how the global rules that really matter are maintained.Picrel, that's the Russian AHT 4135F tractor. Or so the Russians claim. In reality, they just buy Czech Zetor tractor kits, stamp out the czech markings, draw in russian ones, screw them together on a moscow plant and call it Russian.This is why when you see programs to make vehicles more "native" (less import dependant) on western countries you see them celebrate something like "It is 60% native!" and "reformist" idiots scream about globohomo and hiw tech is overvallued and Russia is so rugged and reliable and does it all themselves!In reality no one does it all themselves, not even NK. Their industry depends on smuggling a shitton of parts through China. Everyone depends on the west, the difference is western countries are honest, and when they give that number they mean they can do 60% of the components without imports, which isn't perfect but it's enough to keep it going for a while in an emergency. Meanwhile Russia just bought Ikea furniture and claimed it was 100% Russian because they built the wardrobe themselves instead of buying it like those faggots in HATO.And then the faggots refused to sell them shit.And now look at them. Should've known better than to stop sucking the boipucci huh. Russia are the Cocks of the world. They just forgot their place.
>>57532381T-55 is kinda a dead end compared to the T-62 especially compared with what the DPRK did with the T-62.>>57532409Pakistani laborers give North Koreans a run for their money. They are damn good.NK sold Pakistan their nuke program.
>>57532476DPRK just continued the incremental improvement on the chassis. While soviets just dumped the design.T-55 -> T-62 -> whatever Best Korea made
>>57527172This war is just a 24 hour op by north and south koreans to bolster their military industries.
>>57532409Italy and Germany have been scamming the world with their bs label. There is very little regulation and they will lie when they can. Don't kid yourself. GM prides itself on being american but their cars are assembled in Mexico or only get finished in the US.
>>57532476>Pakistani laborers give North Koreans a run for their money>Pakistani Machinery + Vehicles export is 900 millions
/k/ always acts so flabberghasted at Russia's inability to innovate and manufacture new technology and equipment, but Russia's brain-drain is well-known. Unlike North Korea, they have been unsuccessful at shutting out the West's influence, and Russians know that their country is a shithole. Not so much in North Korea, where the language barrier and isolation from Europe (China is in the way) prevents subversion of their propaganda.
>>57532409True, but when you know that you're going to be decoupled from the global economy. You create redundancies, Russia hasn't which is surprising.For instance, Pakistan bought T-80UDs while also procuring AL- Khalids. Whatever components they could make in-house were used in both tanks, whatever wasn't was sourced from "friendly" countries.Then there's retarded Russia which sourced T-90 components from Europe.
>>57532534DPRK 'Machinery + Vehicles export' is easily $900 million plus annually, who do you think Iran buys atomic and missile tech from? DPRK has a space program, Iran copies them.>>57532617>when you know that you're going to be decoupled from the global economy. You create redundancies, Russia hasn't Some nations were ready for that, Russia was not one of them. Also Putin committed the classic mistake of not making your successor your hot dominatrix bitch little sister or your qt daughter.
>>57532668If Pakistan ever had the DPRK political stability + zealot adherence to their ideology.It could've become one of the most influential counties in the world.
>>57532743Pakistan is sort of propped up by being the US's lapdog with a Beijing connection. They're the belle at the ball with both superpowers tripping over themselves to have them in their corner. That wouldn't be possible if they were Nork levels of fanatical.
>>57532805The day Pakistan breaks the chain of being a lapdog. Is the day when Pakistan is going to be Iran+NK by 100 times
>>57527822>Drown in a mud-filled trench>Get comedically launched a hundred feet into the air and smash through a roof like a Looney Tunes cartoon>Get teabagged by a bomb drone whilst your napping>Have your legs shredded into pulled pork by a bored Ukie Zoomer doing grenade trickshots in your trench and take the easy way out instead of dying from gangrene in the dark, damp hole the Russians call a field hospital>All of this recorded at 60fps in 4k and spread across the entire internet so these moments are captured foreverTo be a Russian is to suffer.
>>57532319Is their gameplan to invade Ukraine and get imports rolling again? Are they really that desperate?
>>57527172So, when will Great Russian Empire start selling ICBMs for nork tanks and nuclear tech for iranian drones and knockoff tows?
>>57532157I usually like the fat Kim tours of factories photos, but that abomination of a pipe is triggering me. At least do all the bolts on the flange before the Dear Leaders inspection.
>>57533059i think he’s let up lately, he seems honestly interested in a “post-Kim North Korea”
>>57527273The fans for the V-84 and V-92 engine are driven off the engine directly. They lose a shitload of torque when it gets "hot" for them. By contrast the 5TDF and 6TDF opposed cylinder engines use the exhaust in a venturi to draw air through the radiator. For Western diesels they have electric fans that run on demand instead of whatever retarded implementation of a fluid coupling system is found on the V-84 and V-92. Just for reference the cylinder dimensions on those engines are the same as the V-2 on the T-34, something made by Kharkiv Morozov in the first place. Meanwhile turbines on the Abrams and T-80 already get cooling from the air they breathe in.
>>57531829Russia never had the STCs, those were based in Kharkiv which made the V-2, 5TDF and 6TDF. At best you could say that the Russians have been just bolting shit to the V-2 all this time when the Ukrainians moved to make the 5TDF. Truly the rest of the enslaved republics of the Soviet Union provided the brains for Russia.
>>57528850Better yet they stole it after seeing the Ukrainians do it on their Oplots early on as a way to mitigate having to store loose ammo outside of the autoloader all over the inside.
>>57531548T-55 to T-80 have wet storage as well, look up how they store the highly flammable propellant section of the ammo for the T-72 and T-80. That's as best as they can do to mitigate the issue of hot spall by having diesel in the way to quench it rather than burn through the nitroglycerin impregnated cardboard.
>the absolute state of Ukrainian military experts? That was the whole fucking point. They're getting rid of loose ammo storage all around the crew compartment.They could have made it less half assed by cutting a hole into the back of the turret for a blast door that lets the crew reload under armor is the point.
>>57532209Juche > Putin imperialistic LARP confirmed
>>57533034Russia hasn't tested a nuke in 30 years , NK has done six. The last Russian missile test failed, NK tests them twice a month.Russia should look into buying North Korean ICBMs.
>>57533232I love his 'take your daughter to work day' photos.
>>57534134Love the fash-wave leather trenchcoat
>>57530119North Korea's arms industry is wild, they actually produce some of the best stuff by developing countries standards. Their new MBT even seems to use western track and gear system.
>>57534327this looks like a diorama
Didnt read the thread.Isnt NK tanks are just chink surplus? Ofc it will be better than russian.
>>57527822Kek
>>57532542But on the other hand, Russian engineers have access to the internet, could at least in the past go to trade shows, and probably copy stuff via industrial espionage quite easily.North Korea is hermetically sealed and while they have an official hacking and espionage program, the engineer planning the next tank upgrade can't do some cheeky osint to see what the evil westerners are doing and incorporate that into his designs. Plus according to some older books/reports, their science knowledge was 10-20 years out of date>>57534327But nobody knows if all that stuff is actually real or just painted paper mache combined with knock off airsoft gear they got from china
>>57527273>reverseBut comrade why would you go in reverse? That’s not attacking.
>>57532143>Russian tanks are superiorIn turret throwing?
>>57532143Is North Korea globohomo now?
>>57527273>>engine loses 1/3 of it's power in hot ukranian weatherIt’s not even “hot” weather. The average summer high temp is 77 fahrenheit. July-august high temps generally don’t get over 88. The midwest has worse temperature extremes for both hot and cold.
>>57527273>What the fucking fuck.I believe this, there was a time when Poland tried to create domestic chassis for Krab SPG with ~1000 HP engine based on W-46 from T-72. Main issue with that engine was it had to run detuned to about 750 HP or it would overheat during cross-country trials.
>>57527172>Overheating in Ukranian summerWhat sort of adverse health effects does one receive from just sitting in one during active duty, assuming you don't get blown up? Any chance of heat stroke?
>>57534472North Korea unironically has a decent MIC when it comes to the larger stuff like tanks, artillery and missiles.Everything else is a bit...dubious, but their armour actually seems decent for a country on a shoestring budget.
>>57535234>>57534934North Korea make the largest current production artillery piece on earth, on a technical level it at least one are where their capabilities are the worlds best.
>>57534934>Russian engineers have access to the internet, could at least in the past go to trade shows, and probably copy stuff via industrial espionage quite easilyThe problem is that engineering in the Russian MIC is not a prestigious job, so the average age in that profession is 55 years old.This is second hand retelling, but people who study Russia's oligarchy come to the conclusion that they're afraid of engineers outsmarting the gas and oil industry. If you're an oligarch who owns the extraction facilities and the drilling rights, nobody can fuck with you.With engineering, nothing prevents smart dudes from saving their money, getting a loan, investors, etc. and starting a plant that competes with your product on quality and price. As an oligarch, you're fucked. The gas and oil business is "safe" as long as you're on the Putin inner circle.>North Korea is hermetically sealed and while they have an official hacking and espionage program, the engineer planning the next tank upgrade can't do some cheeky osint to see what the evil westerners are doing and incorporate that into his designs. Plus according to some older books/reports, their science knowledge was 10-20 years out of dateThey are home to advanced persistent threats, are famous for hacking heists, and a lot of military stuff takes things that are mature tech rather than cutting edge. So their spies and hackers can certainly access the internet and attend trade shows under false IDs.If you buy breadboards and transistors you can do stuff that's 1950s tech at home. So if you had the ability to make a 2010 intel CPU at home that would be outstanding. Bad analogy, but just pointing out that 20 year old tech isn't THAT bad. The F-22 uses 1990s computers.
>>57530161
>>57532065>that seems to trigger them alot.They are best korea for a reason. Vatniggers shouldn’t be ashamed
>>57527273RedEffect posted a video showing a T-90M crawling in reverse. The driver had to make a 180 to retreat faster. It's fucking unbelievable.
>>57537262I honestly can't think of a single ground combat system where Russia would not be better off using the North Korean equivalent. Let's not even get into 8 year minimum volunteers vs 8 day conscripts.
>>57527333The Norks actually innovated with what they had available despite their limitations.
>>57532062hey now Armatard flailed hard for his infamy, don't deny it to him.
>>57532110Missiles, missiles everywhere!
>>57529816Holy shit man. Bizarre to think that even fucking Brazil has more of a MIC and heavy auto industry than Russia. 21th century is wild.
>>57532381The T-64 is such a little fella. Love this guy.
>>57537491Doing CAS against them must be a weebs dream, you get several seconds to see what a IRL Robotech missile swarm looks like.
>>57532209Not saying North Korea isn't corrupt, but at least they have an ideological glue holding them together. Russians on the other hand has nothing. Literally Iraq in the 80s, nothing more than a strongman and his cronies ruling over an apathetic and tamed population.
>>57534327It’s like they build an Abrams over a T-62.
>>57533232He really is different from his father and grandfather.
>>57537920His grandfather wasn't bad, just very different. It's his dad who was a total wackjob that wasn't prepared to cope with the USSR collapsing.
>>57537967Kim Jong-il was too busy larping as a genius film maker (so genius he had to kidnap a worst-korean couple to make NK's best films for him.
>>57527172I mean of course OP. All it takes is one teensy grenade and they just give free EXP
>>57541843Make sure you include more screen shake and lens flare next time, this one is too obvious.
>>57527273>wasn't the T-72/90 only capable to drive something like 4km/h in reverse?You know, I never really understood the significance of that limitation (beyond what it implies about Russian manufacturing and design capability) until I saw that video of the waltzing gavins yesterday, but now that I do it almost sickens me to think of all those poor Russian tankers who are being sent into battle in a vehicle that just isn't capable of surviving on a modern battlefield
>>57532110You know, if all those weapons could be fired from inside the tank they might have some pretty serious utility>ATGM as backup for main gun>MANPADS for aircraft, cruise missiles and big drones>Twin machine guns for small drones and loitering munitionsI bet a setup like this using western weapons and digital FCS and shit would be deadly as fuck, especially if the tank had it's own drones as well to scout and target shit with
>>57527172>>57527224I'm sorry Kim-sama, i kneel...
>>57541933Nah poisoning the well is far more effective anon
I can't believe that Russia was feared and seen as a serious military superpower. Imagine getting mogged by NK
>>57543314Because their soldiers are manly man and not globohomo sissies(please ignore institutional gay rape in russian army)
>>57532209>I'm starting to wonder if there's a SINGLE piece of hardware in the Russian military that actually worksMiG-31, S-400, and the AK series are about it.
>>57542032Those are grenades launchers not MGs.
>>57543933>MiG-31, S-400No proofs>the AK seriesBased on the M1 Garand/M1 Carbine. Also remember it took them from 1946 to 1959 to figure out how to do the stampings for the receiver properly. I mean fuck, given all the lend-lease tools and material + German slave labor, I wouldn't be surprised if the first few generations of forgings were made on US or British supplied then modified tooling and the stampings from Germans that were actually capable of doing them.
Are you just falling for the same smoke and mirrors again? Have hands ever been laid on "modern" Nork tanks to show they're anything besides potemkin AFVs?
>>57534134"Papa, do all these men have to clap?""That's right.""Can we execute one and have the rest of them clap harder at the announcement?""Well, some of them are very important i your father's government...""Pleeeaase, papa?""Oh, alright..." [chuckles]
>>57529413This is a serious improvement over storing the 18 extra rounds unprotected *inside* the turret. It's the loose rounds that tend to cook off first, not the rounds inside the autoloader.Yes, it means that you have to withdraw from combat after firing 22 rounds in order to reload the autoloader. But, it's probably about the best that can be done without going to a Western-style turret with a bustle-based autoloader and blowout panels.
>>57543933>>57544726In the horn of Africa North Korean AKs sell for more than Russian ones, they are universally viewed as being of a higher quality.
>>57544860>the best that can be done without going to a Western-style turret with a bustle-based autoloader and blowout panelsOr you could just do that and get rid of the shitty autoloader completely.
Getting shot while reloading the tank is all part of the hustle and bustle of life as a Russian conscript.
>>57537395Limitations breed creativity, tardbloat doesn't
>>57530119Norks are still genetically Korean so even with the debuff of communism they still can achieve pretty nifty things given time.
>>57541843It's a good thing the vatniks put a Z on top for easy targeting. Very considerate of them.
>>57531482It would absolutely be a massive difference if the crew could safely reload from inside the tank vs going on top of it and exposing themselves.Under sustained fighting you'll have to reload at some point and if you can achieve that with just going behind cover and staying still for a moment vs exposing yourself to small arms and artillery are completely different requirements to actualize.It's not like it's that hard to cut a hole in the back of the turret and putting in a sliding door designed to withstand more than the roof of the ammo compartment to vent out a cook off.
>>57542032This is retarded. Russian tanks call already fire ATGM from barrel, Norks can't because they didn't manage to make them. AA role and anti-drone can be handled by support elements not by tank itself.Yeah it would be deadly, also retarded, which is why none does that
>>57546951>Russian tanks call already fire ATGM from barrelWhich they never do because the missiles don't work and they don't actually have any.>AA role and anti-drone can be handled by support elements not by tank itself.How has that been working out for Russia in Ukraine?
>>57546951>A role and anti-drone can be handled by support elements not by tank itself.To be clear you are saying Russia needs multiple vehicles and support elements to equal a single North Korean tank?
>>57532209RPG-7s are still excellent weapons.Shame Russia gave all of theirs' away.
They ain't called best Korea for nothing
>>57547128> [X] doesn't work or exist because vatnik lolThere have been plenty of russian GLATGMs spotted in Ukraine (most notably a picture of an entire carousel filled with them on a T-80BVM), many of which are used by the Ukrainians themselves. Are they shittier than western tube launched ATGMs or guided shells? Absolutely. But claiming they don't work or exist is fucking retarded.https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/10v6o1y/t80bvm_of_155_marine_infantry_brigade_uses/https://www.deagel.com/Defensive%20Weapons/Refleks/a001002
>>57550414So the only evidence is single clip from a 'elite' unit that was completely exterminated in less than 2 weeks of combat? Great endorsement.>" the new guided missile is intended to take out helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles">"unmanned aerial vehicles"Sure it does.>25,000 unitsMay i see them?
>>57532209>bigger dystopian shithole than RussiaAlso spend so much longer under sanctions it's expected. >has no resources bar iron and coalApparently they have alot more hence China's insistence they be kept onside, other than not sharing a border with NATO.>no combat experienceLiterally 95% of armies in the world have never operated outside a UN taskforce. It's nothing special. >non-existent trading relationshipThat's not on them. That's due to sanctions. I'm not even sure as to why they still have them levied against them when Pakistan does the same saber rattling with India and Argentina does with the Falklands etc. That's out of personal ignorance tho. >significant portion of GDP through meth and counterfeit currencyThen let them trade. You can't blame a starving man for selling illegal products when you are the one starving him. Infact it'd hurt China more to allow North Korea to trade as it'd lower their control. >industria base running off even more ancient soviet-era fumes than contempary RussiaApparently better since Russia can't produce modern anything while North Korea can at least produce modernised versions of USSR/Chinese hardware that apparently works better than modern upgraded Russian stuff using imported goods. >only exists because China wants a buffer state between them and countries with American airbases It also exists as the US needs a bogeyman in the region to stop South Korea and Japan from just going "Okay America, fuck off" like they were moving to do before North Korea got nukes. It's there because it helps both the US hegemony and Chinese buffer state scenario. Not to mention South Korea really doesn't want it.Realistically, within 1-2 generations, North Korea would be US friendly and likely anti-China even without US CIA glowshit because China fucks them as much as it helps. Even without emigration/immigration, losing sanctions would show that the Kimmies and the Chinks were actively destroying progress in North Korea.
>semi-ironic NK shills trashing Russiabased thread
>>57541956very esoteric bait, you may need to dumb it down
>>57550988At first it was shitposting but after the first few threads resulted in a proper examination of the situation it became serious, the DPRK would curb stomp Russia in a real fight.
>>57551053>>57541956>>57527273>Songun-ho>maximum reverse speed is -8 km/hWe live in a timeline where North Korean transmission technology is literally twice as advanced as Russia's.
>>57532369That's not actually sand, it's all dried poo. Very impressive that India managed to create engine air filters that can withstand that much poo dust
>>57532164Given that every conflict in the past 30 years has shown Russian ERA to be a complete joke, even ISIS and Chechens who are using literally the same equipment you should be immune to, I doubt that North Korea would have issues when they are getting fed specs from China and the internet. I imagine they work quite hard on new tank rounds for their limited variety of tank guns so they can actually fight the K1/K2s that come flying up the ridgeline, just like South Africa did with 105mms. Or maybe they developed functional GLATGMs as a result of limited performance gains. You can never tell but North Korea isn't Russia.
>>57527172So russia did nothing other than living on the past achievments of the soviet union while selling out their ressources and larping as superpower.Judging from that, neither do their nukes work as they pretend, since it's all rotting soviet tech.
>>57533011Kherson was the primary heavy industry region for Russian military production. All those engine designs etc all came from the massive design suites manned by USSR citizens dragged in from all corners. That's why Ukraine can still produce relatively capable and modern platforms like BTR-4s since they retained all the production and design facilities. Same as shipyards etc. For all the claims of USSR Russian favouritism, Ukraine made out like bandits tech wise.
>>57551108it's practically curry powder. even more impressive that those filters stand up in such a caustic environment at all. same for the paint.
>>57551119The only 3 nations that have 115mm AP rounds that can be defeat a modern tank are the UK, Belgium and NK all of which have 2x the penetration of Soviet stocks. The first two make them to deny NK market share in Africa.
>>57551149they made out like bandits, but turn around to squander their potential like every other corrupt former easternbloc shithole.
>be retard monkey>try to launch """mighty Satan II""" ICBM>fucking fails, kremlin on full damage controlhttps://www.businessinsider.com/russia-wanted-putin-brag-icbm-launch-but-failed-report-2023-2Not even Euros are scared of his nuke threats anymore. Meanwhile:https://missilethreat.csis.org/north-korea-missile-launches-1984-present/https://www.rand.org/blog/2019/06/downplaying-north-koreas-missile-tests-carries-political.htmlhttps://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2022/01/05/north-korea-says-hypersonic-missile-tested-to-modernize-weaponry/Must be humiliating to get beaten by little NK in nuclear braggadocio.
>>57551217Welcome to Slavs. Get left a bunch of shit that could be used productively and instead regress because no imagination or foresight. Same as China if it wasn't for an entire planet that bought their shit and provided them with technological upgrades.
>>57551228The strategic swag gap is real: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMYLo-COsmc
>>57535127Always worth pointing out. Hell, this map just uses the average daily temperature instead of the high and low.
>>57551435lol, is there a site where you can put in different cities to produce a map like that?
>>57534327>>57534472Weapons manufacturing is the bulk of the North Korean economy. North Koreans make weapons either for themselves, or for people who can't get weapons from countries like the US, France and Germany due to them either being criminals, or countries that are embargoed by the US and its allies.
>>57527605They're literally just fighting the Ukrainians, petukh.
>>57551435It gets to ca 111 Fahrenheit or 44° celsius.
>>57551243the joys of communism i suppose
>>57547128>Which they never do because the missiles don't work and they don't actually have anyThey work, but there's reason why tanks don't use them constantly. In any tank-on-tank battle, tank with ATGM would die before his rocket reaches enemy>How has that been working out for Russia in Ukraine?How many wars Korean tanks fought at?
>>57551057>resulted in a proper examinationJust because Russia shit itself in proper war doesn't mean Norks, who haven't fought in 80 years are somehow better. Doing parades with carton tanks and AKs with 3 magazines sticking out of them doesn't make them look that dangerous
>>57542032SK military intelligence knows that the MANPADS can be used from inside the turret, probably by the commander, they suspect that the ATGMs can be too.
>>57531919retard herelegit what were they thinking with the fuel-doors
>>57554212They had to put the fuel somewhere and if your IFV is being shot at from behind, you're already fucked. Also diesel is actually a very stable fuel, it doesn't burn easily under normal conditions. Thirdly, in preparation for combat operations, Soviet manuals recommend crews to drain the door fuel tanks and fill them with sand, the door fuel tanks are just to increase range.
>hohol experts say
>>57554261>Soviet manuals recommend....
>>57554331Imagine being a Soviet officer trying to explain proper usage of equipment but all you get is that vacant vatnik stare...
>>57532512You know assembled just means that it was put together right? When they say it's 60% American made they mean that 60% of the items components were actually made in the USA. They then send those components to places like Canada or Mexico to have them put together for the final product because it's still less expensive than having it assembled in the US, especially in the Rust belt area where auto-unions sort of fucked themselves over.
>>57554475it's not just equipment it's the whole doctrinestill I'm calling bs on filling the fuel tanks with sand, how would you clean them out afterwards? that's bound to fuck up the engine
>>57554495>how would you clean it out afterwardsSoviet Cold War doctrine was focused around a high-intensity war in central and northern Europe with enormous casualties and attrition on both sides. They never planed for an "afterwards." They fully expected their best units to get mauled, that's why they had like the T-64 and T-80 in their bests units and then shitty units manned by the T-72 and even reserve units with the T-55. We joke about "send in the next wave" with this invasion, but Soviet planning on the Cold War simply accepted that the US Army was a powerful adversary and that life-expectancy would be low.
>>57554525yeah but... the sand.. and ehrm.. but the engine... anon... I just can't...
>>57554544The door fuel tanks could be manually cut off from the rest of the system.>>57554525Continuing from this post, this is very important to understanding why the Russians are doing so badly. Soviet doctrine after WWII came to the conclusion that they should always be at a high level of mobilization to maintain a strategic reserve at all times, which would allow them to fully commit to attempts to make breakthroughs: the first echelon would make a breakthrough, and the second echelon could exploit it. Now you have old-Soviet tactics being applied, but there's no second echelon. So the first echelon achieves a breakthrough and then nothing happens because there's no second echelon so they can't exploit it. You can't "send in the next wave" when you don't have a next wave.
>>57554581>The door fuel tanks could be manually cut off from the rest of the system.
>>57554610I mean either way, the Soviets built 40,000 of the things, tbf I don't think they really cared about the long-term survival of the platform. It was expected to do one thing once and then be destroyed. If they engine got fucked up by sand they'd probably just replace it.
>>57554212It isn't just doors, dismounts literally sit on main fuel tank. That is their seat.
>>57554095>>57554113ESL shills every time.
>>57555753man, someone in the soviet drafting room, back then, had a fetish tantamount to those pictures of anime girls dressed as soldiers getting cut down by MGs. They did this on purpose, the whole concept of an IFV in practice is so deadly for the dismount I would rather just walk
>>57553132I live in the Midwest, well aware of the temperature swings, which is why I pointed out it was the Average instead of the High, after all, Summers regularly are in the 80 - 90 range here, not this pansy 77 shit that the map uses.
>>57527555>Russia not being able to make new hulls so they can't do sustained incremental improvements like NKa sentence like this should never be uttered, let alone be credible. this is some Bizarro shit.
>>57527172>>57527224>T-90 is just a warmed over T-72I mean, hasn't this been common knowledge for a long time. Object 188, which formed the development program was just a T-72B mild upgrade. I thought everyone knew that the only reason it wasn't called the T-72 was because they needed to rebrand after the world watched T-72s get shreked in Desert Storm. They just called it something else to they could convince export markets that they weren't buying a tank that gets shithoused by IFVs. Same thing with the Su-27 and Su-35. Nothing really changed, just marketing.
>>57556198>>57553132>>57551435>>57535127So Russia took their existence in Chechnya and Afghanistan, noted that all their potential customers lived in places with above average temperatures then made a tank that didn't work in warm weather?
>>57556495That is the exact reason NK rejected it besides the gun, Kim il even humiliated Putin by refusing to visit a T-72 modernization plant.
>>57556503Many people have accused the Russians/Soviets of being smart.Many people have been wrong.
