UKRAINE has decided to ORDER again the Polish rifle MSBS Grot from FBIt's official now: the Grot has defeated all other competition and Ukraine is going for it en masse>https://twitter.com/JacekSiewiera/status/1636272111781130241German/Jewish-owned media tried to stop this, but you can't stop the inevitable:WELCOME TO THE POLISH CENTURY
>>57510753WENN ICH DAS SEH
>>57510753when are they going to send the bullpup version to the US?? i want a bullpup 5.56x45 with 10" barrel. The MDRX micron is still shitbox quality.
MSBS Grot is famous for also coming in bullpup format and for the ability to convert the standard rifle into it in just a few minutes. This is a revolutionary level of modularity, and of course it comes with the regular features of modularity such as different calibers.Even the bullpup alone is the single best bullpup ever produced: best balance, best trigger, best recoil, best ergos, very accurate>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsSgEQpCy00&t=1566sLast few minutes of the vid show the conversion process. You swap 3 modules for 3. Designed so that you can buy the modules themselves without a specific license/promise, off the shelf, OTC. So for just a few hundred additional bucks you basically get 2 rifles in 1The tweet in OP highlights the President's visit to the FB Łucznik factory as concerning "the product's export future."Will be available on the US civilian market this year probably, though ATC is an ass.
>>57510806ATF* sorry
So HK lost. Just as the Norwegians were also complaining. And they don't even offer a native design, just their version of an AR-15 with an AR-18 pistonKEKPoland FTW
>>57510882Yes, HK tried to compete with FB, and lost.
News release: Poland orders a few carbines. That’s it. I think the GROT probably is the best option for the Ukrainian military because of the close ties of the two countries but this isn’t it guys.
Every day, every day until you like it.
>>57510753Isn't the Grot plagued with problems?
>>57511046The gen 1 had some design and teething issues. The gen 2 to my knowledge has no major problems/flaws.
BREN 2 and SCARbros we're losing
>>57510935No, the news is that Ukraine orders them.Poland ordering them is old news, and not a few but 184,000.On top of the dozens of thousands ordered/produced earlier
>>57510806>>57510753LITERALLY THE RIFLE OF XXIITH CENTURY, SOON IN SPACE, IN SERVICE OF POLISH COSMOHAIDUKS MANNING TWARDOWSKY MOONBASE. SOON AVAILABLE IN CASELESS .277 FURRY GUIDED AMMUNITIONSZKOPKI ON SUICIDE WATCHI!!!!! CHAŁUPY WELCOME TO BAHAMA MAMA LUZ
>>57510806>this yearokay fuck the Bren, I'm getting this instead
They're shit, but make do.> t. Ukie
>>57511116He's wrong though, there's no evidence that it's coming this year at all.
>>57511046>>57511056It's on its 3rd (A2) gen now and 4th gen is in the works.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y37bKnp94FI
>>57511150they're great. i swapped my M4 for a pimped out one. been asked for swaps countless times since lol> t. actual Ukie
>>57511230>i swapped my M4 for a pimped out oneapparently the funny Predator COD guy still wants a M4 despite his gucci'd AK. What makes them so desirable? https://twitter.com/CalibreObscura/status/1636050076618354689?s=20also> COD guy is fucking under 21 Jesus christ
>>57511253well i also started out with an ak but the grot is better than both
>>57511310well yeah, but what makes it better? I'd think being able to use ubiquitous 5.45 ammo would be worth most factors other than maybe rail space
>>57511106BASEDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRdYz8cnOW4>>57511182FB now got enough money that they have leeway to export to civilians in America. They're ready to start tomorrow, the only obstacle now is ATF paperwork.
>>57511046A1 = literal trash that falls apart and rusts when you blink too hardA2 = okayish rifle without any major problem, available for civilians nowA3 = current military spec, stuff that ukraine gets, not available for civs yetA4 = supposedly soon
>>57510753>something happens>polaks screech about germanspavel cope never gets old
>>57511070Scar sisters….NOT like this…
>>57511357Onet, a german-owned news site, has run multiple smear campaigns against Grot in the past
>>57511325on top of high accuracy and low recoil (at least in my case), it has the best like ergonomics i ever tried. you don't have to adapt to the rifle at all, it adapts to you. tho having experience with M4 helped. if all youre used to is ak you have to adapt to the change a little at first, thats how i got grot to begin with, guy just switched his ak for it and found it too different and wanted to check out the M4
>>57510753This is the equivalent of buying a Taurus in a gunstore because you're too lazy to buy something online and wait for it.
>>57511435Why?
>>57511342So the A3 is done now?
>>57511478Poland is their next door neighbor.
>>57511503maybe I'm a giant retard and it's A0, A1, A2 and A3, sorry
>>57510753>>57510806That feel when the fucking Poles make a better rifle than your cunt does.
>>57511543Are you British?
>>57510753DUDE I CAN'T WAIT TO CONSOOM THIS BATTLE TESTED WEAPON PLATFORM
>>57511513I think they know how many different weapon systems handle>>57511518>>57511342Yeah aside from the fact you got it wrong and it's A0, A1, A2, Ukies mostly got A1 and only some A2s>>57511543what cunt you from?
>>57511543What's wrong with that?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckrVFTEv-ic
>>57511070nah, they're finebecause neither the czech bitch or the toilet cleaners are making a 7.62NATO variant for sale, fucking useless niggers everyone has a nAR and what do they make ? more 5.56 rifle for the market, yupat least we have B&T
>>57511617>neither the toilet cleaners are making a 7.62NATO variant for saleTell me what you see at the top of OP pic you fucking retardPolish Army has ordered 250 of them last month iirc
>>57511617CZ does make a .308 version of the bren though
>>57510763 WERD ICH ECHT SAUER
>>57511617Are you stupid? The Grot is a MODULAR platform that can swap barrels including calibers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCmLg-YrnFM
>>57511690
>>57511711
I don't care about the grot but if someone made the same proprietary lower for AR15s I would pay $500 for it, don't even care if it doesn't work with AR triggers the Ambi ergos is on par with a bad lever
>>57511070how is the SCAR losing when it has been in service with militaries around the world for decades? Sure it's no FAL, but it's still really good
>>57511837Every military in the world has dropped their contracts with the Scar
>>57511851They're still using it though? Right now nobody is using the Grot except for Ukraine as a hand-me-down. Maybe in 10 years we'll have a comparison.
>tfw those faggoty polacks somehow shilled me into wanting onehuh
>>57511711goddamn the DMR Grot looks tight
>>57510753B-but all the pro-Russia media outlets are saying Ukraine is running out of troops? So why would they be ordering MORE guns?
Speaking of 21st century polymer lower ar18 descendants what's going on with the HK433?
>>57512051I wouldn't worry about it.
>>57511253AK is shit gun
>>57511909You forgot Poland, first and foremost, so two countries.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwBrWYB082Y
>>57511987It looks tigh... alright, I think.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_SVaDI4bRM
>>57512051HK came out with a gen 2 than has an mlok hand guard and a more rearward charging handle. That’s it. That’s all that’s happened with it so far. No one has adopted it not even specialty guys anywhere.Makes me really sad it looks so fucking kino.
>>57510882there's no way ukraine could afford HK fleecing anyway
>>57512834I don't know about that. They got some fat stacks thanks a universal hatred of Russia.
>>57512051That's a beretta anon
>>57511106cope nigger
>>57510915good, fuck those anti-gun cunts.
>>57510753>>57510806>>57510882Poland is looking to invest heavily into Ukraine after this war is over, that's why they're so incredibly gung-ho about Ukraine winning to begin withwith that in mind this really isn't saying that much, that's how military procurement often works. it's just a cross-border dick-sucking festival. whether the gun is actually decent or not is almost a complete aside to these influences
>>57512939why are yuros only sending cashmoney instead of milsurp?
>>57512993>. whether the gun is actually decent or not is almost a complete aside to these influencesif gun was really bad Ukraine wouldn't buy it. They did tell Poland that their UAVs suck and how, so there's that
>>57513045>almostreading comprehension
>>57513061>almostno retarded moron, it matter a lot
>>57513104>O-okay Ukraine san, you can skip our shitty UAVs but PREASE PREASE endorse our shitty rifle so other nations will buy too prease>well... okay Poland-kun, we are here to suck each other off after all. give me 200,000 shitty Poland Rifles pronto!I'm not even saying the rifle is bad. Just saying that you can't discount that it's also a political move, especially with how massively Poland supports Ukraine and how hesitantly Germany does. in fact, these two facts alone cannot be understated in how influential they must have been
>>57513045>They did tell Poland that their UAVs suck and how, so there's thatLiterally what??? Polish UAVs like the FlyeEye or Warmates were like the ONLY ones not being susceptible to Russian jamming attacks because they were designed to be EW proof, while Turkish Bayraktars or even small U.S. drones including Switchblades were/are being jammed left and right. Thus, FlyEyes are a hot commodity. They want more and have ordered more. Where did you get your info?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEiwA9R_6sI
>>57513000They don't have the milsurp stockpile the US has.
>>57513134because if it was shitty rifle and soldiers would talk that it's shitty it would be political scandal
>>57513157>>>>>Poland >>>>>Ukraineoooooh yeah... no political scandals or corruption in these fucking countriesJust admit I hit it on the head right now. Germany didn't want to fucking help Ukraine so why the fuck would they want to give them business? I'm sure the rifle is okay as well
>>57513156but surely they have *some*?nobody but the frontier countries like poland or binland need to have shittons of artillery or ifvs right nowyou'd think they'd want the war to be over asap, what with their entire union starting to deindustrialize
>>57513185Nice conjecture bro.
>>57513185gaygoymany is more corrupt than Poland and BND is fully compromised by FSB, as is Scholz the Hamburg mayor, twin of St Petersburg ;)>>57513134Polish drones are amazing, stop this slander
>>57513211>political relationships are conjecture because uh my brain is smallcope. Ukraine would give out rimjobs for more support atm
>>57513237You still have no evidence or arguments besides your imagination.
>>57513143>Where did you get your info?Taras Chmut, said Poland has good chassis and ammunition but had received mostly negative information about Polish UAVs
>>57513257there's no need to provide evidence for statements that are matter of fact and self evident, like political lobbying in military procurement which has a long history, as well as Ukraine's current circumstanceI don't have to 'prove' anything. cope harder
>>57513185if it was shit soldiers would tell that it's shit. But they didn't, therefore it is not shit
>>57513290>there's no need to provide evidenceStopped reading there
>>57513388I could tell you're too asshurt to continue, no worries pidor
>>57513277Source.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzzOH5fBAqw
>>57513277>mostly negativewhat does this even mean lolthey're ordering more
>>57513593https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVDVCKfqAjUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcRvlk-U00I
>>57513597>what does this even mean lolit means they had faults that soldiers didn't like>they're ordering morethey are ordering more of everything, when you have ammunition shortage you won't just decide not to buy more Polish loitering munition
>>57513759what faults?
>>57511837The Grot is far more affordable and its current A2 and A3 variants are as reliable and durable as the SCAR.
>>>/pol/419931528Hey nigger when are you gonna sell these to the American civilian market and how much?
>>57513767do you work for them? They'd already know what faults they have
>>57512993We better get some good deals. You guys outside Poland have no idea just HOW FUCKING MANY Ukrainians we got here. They are literally everywhere. On the bus to work I hear Ukrainian almost as often as Polish nowadays, and I'm not living in one of the largest cities, just a medium sized one.
>>57514116One thing I will readily admit - around 70% of their women are absolutely gorgeous, and keep themselves well groomed and feminine, even when compared to Polish women.
>>57513759>it means they had faults that soldiers didn't likeFlyEyes or Warmates? And if Warmates, which ones?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr5oF9HjDAw
>>57514019Will you provide source or not?
>>57514283https://youtu.be/D7XSDxiCgHc?t=1074
>>57514316At last, what took you so long.
>>57514453
>>57514464
>>57514535Hmm, that's weird because I have contradictory info, at least when it comes to not jamming. That's interesting. Anyway, here's the new Gladius 2 project from WBE.
>>57510753chambered in 556?
>>57511182You can buy Grot mags right now anon
>>57515079check spelling monkey man
>>57514680And 7,62x39 and 7,62x51 (DMR) of course.P.S. Maybe 6,8 in the future.>>57515123And shut your mouth.
>>57512987>good, fuck those anti-gun cunts.LITERALLY one of the few companies actively and openly fighting the first AWB and have been shafted for it by the US government ever since whenever they try to import something.Kill yourself.
>>57510806Bruh they don't even make the bullpup conversion anymore.
>>57513000It's not literal crates of cash, it's funds for specific purposes. E.g. a lot of the money is earmarked for buying EU weapons (which includes Polish and German weapons for example) and a lot of it is earmarked for might otherwise qualify as "humanitarian" - buying tents, generators, spare parts, food, etc. from EU manufacturers. A more free-market solution to the problem, largely because those have proven themselves to be infinitely faster and more efficient than governments over the past 10 years.
>>57515217Since .300 blackout is a niche meme caliber here in europe the sbr grot in 7.62x39 with a folding stock would be absolutely optimal
>>57514116>You guys outside Poland have no idea just HOW FUCKING MANY Ukrainians we got here.I hate them so fucking much it's unreal bros.
>>57513984FB already has a distribution agreement with Arms of America. AoA is now proceeding with ATF to enable import of Grots
>>57511617seethe and cope you retarded faggot
>>57517560ETA?
>>57516819they are behaving normally you overreacting fag I live in a place where there were many Ukrainians before the war and now there is a fuck ton of them here and I never had a problem with them. Not to mention that over 80% of the Ukros are just women and children
>>57510753>shitty gun adopted by poor nation for political reasonsSomebody tell me why a /k/commando should care about this. I can't buy one, it's not interesting on a mechanical level and it has no impact on the war. It has the significance of Nigeria adopting a service pistol.
>>57517884I have a ukranian neighbour, they don't treat their dog well and their kid kicked the dog of the neighbour lady yesterday. The dog's a little cunt but if that little bastard tries that with mine I'll still beat the shit out of him and get her deported back to poland.
>>57511116Bren is better than the Grot
>>57517938sour grapes of a seething kraut
>>57518002Spandau is the best though.
>>57516253Proof? So the grot shill thread every 3 days can get it reposted?
>>57518006>krautLel obsessed tourist>sour grapesI'll be honest with you, I'd never buy a Grot even if I could, it gives me nothing I want or need.
>>57518041retard you're replying to didn't even bother clicking on the embedded video from last October titled "How MSBS GROT BullPup is being made"
>>57510753>ukraine orders more rifles while needing all the rifles in NATOcalibers it can getHow is that worth a thread?I thought they actually adopted it when I read that, it's literally nothing lmao
Can they take pmags?
>>57518071You fell for the polish grotspammer posting about it winning non-existent trials in other threads.It's literally just Ukraine ordering more rifles because they're available. They're still mediocre at best like the rest of the polish MIC.
>>57510753Didn’t the Grot just get absolutely shit-panned by the polish military with tons of reports coming out from units dealing with the shortfalls of the rifle? I feel like Ukraine needs something better.
>>57518126Ukraine isn't adopting it for the military it's just getting some to plug holes.It's been doing that with all kinds of small arms, both via donations and purchases, but only polish tourists are desperate enough for the recognition of strangers to post about it online.That's why Canada > Poland.
>>57518126Yes, that was the A1. If you bothered to read the thread instead of just replying to the OP, you would've learned that.
>>57511106jaki młody Ozjasz!
>>57511585>bottom rifle >chambered in 7.92x107mm>travels at 4200 fpsi'd imagine that would do insignificant damage, even to light tanks of the era.
>>57518126No, you simply overdosed on German-Jewish media. You need to lay off that stuff
>>57510772Yeah its not though.
>>57511675POLACKENLÜMMEL
>>57511391which one
>>57510753god I wish this one dude would stop shilling his rifle>>>/int/
>>57518177That wasn't even A1, that was an initial production run weapon.
>>57510753Das a mofucking holosun lololol the poles are using chinkshit, I repeat the poles are using chinkshit
>>57517560>FB already has a distribution agreement with Arms of America. AoA is now proceeding with ATF to enable import of Grots>>57517810bumpwhat's the ETA now, how long does it take with ATF
>>57519047bump
>>57518322>that would do insignificant damage, even to light tanks of the era.You wot, it could penetrate ANY German tank during the invasion of 1939: including Panzer IVs to the side, it generally penetrated Panzer IIIs, and please let's not even mention Panzer IIs and Is...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhWKoZVmpS0
>>57519272to pe fair it didn't penertate armour. the kinetic energy of the bullet caused bits of plates to be ripped of and kill tank crew
>>57519285https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t8DqFn869s
>>57519311https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD1wVS8a0WA
>>57517938It's way more interesting tha lame old ar's and h&k crap
>>57510772>>57511925Might as well buy the VIS 100 while you're at it.
>>57519414You know, for the full set.
>>57518772He’s a poolack who made the same thread on /pol/ and works for FB
>>57510753Small arms don't matter than much in war any reasonable modern salt rifle will do. Arms procurement decisions are very political in nature and can be a reflection of the strength of bilateral ties.So any Polish gun that was not a steaming pile of crap(example sa80 in it's original form) would have an inside line on winning any contract.
>>57512939wtf is up with canada.
>>57518918That's just for the exhibition showing of its modding compatibility.
>>57519545
>>57510753Looks like they needed something cheap lmao
Was the Bren 2 just utter shit? Or was there not many Bren 2's in Ukraine?
>>57519545>>57519873True modular optics when?
>>57519047>what's the ETA now, how long does it take with ATFbump
>>57510753certainly better than ar15 trash
>>57518710SCHREIEN "WHITE POWER"
>>57517884>wow calm down bigot, melting pot hellscapes are ACKSHUALLY a good thingkys
based, fucking anything is better than the AK at this point.
>>57520127When we're worthy.
>>57521953Mean.
>>57510753werent polish instructors bitching about the rifle?
>>57510806ok this makes some sense, Ukrainian SOF love their bullups
>>57512993well poles want more influence in the EU, if Ukraine joins thatd be a VERY strong ally for them, huge territory, giantic agricultural potential, and sizeable industryi think thats also part of the reason why the UK supports the Ukis, the UK may or may never return to the EU, but either way its helpful to have a guy inside willing to do a favor for you, and Ukraine is that guyand then theres the fact poland hates russia for occupying them for 50 years and the UK hates russia for poisoning people within their territory
>>57525139> anecdotal evidence gathered online by the most incompetent polish journosYikes, mate
>>57525191I hope that's not actually the Polish calculus, because even with the most generous estimates it'll take a long time for Ukraine to join and when it does Poland's going to be paying out of its ass for it.By that point I wouldn't be surprised about Ukraine having found new allies in the meantime either. Money talks and they'll need a lot. A lot of heavy industrial machines to re-industrialize after the war and Poland's not the place to get those.Finland might be a surprise winner there, though maybe I'm biased because I deal with Finn Power.
>>57511585>erma emp copy>vz 24 copy>1911 copy>bar copy>bar copy>tankgewehr copyAnd now a scar or ar 180 copy
>>57518082no
>>57520244OH WIE ICH DIESES
>>57525598Poland doesn't actually want Ukraine to join. We will have preferential trade deals even with them outside the EU
>>57525966>>bar copyYou got to be kidding me.P.S. Seethe.
>>57512051Eternal boomer purgatory
>>57526239DEIN SCHWEINHUND
>>57528039Imagine if Poland wasn't spit-roasted by both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. The aesthetics were top notch, imagine Germany fighting a two-front war against Poland and France-Britain
>>57529606>Imagine if Poland wasn't spit-roasted by both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.Those are what my dreams consist of.
>>57529606>The aesthetics were top notch,They're alright.
>>57529979I think.
>>57510753INTERMARIUM UBER ALLES
>>57529999
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>>57530131
>>57529606>imagine Germany fighting a two-front war against Poland and France-BritainIt would look something like this.
>>57530146Except on German soil.
>>57511106I lold harder at this than it truly deserves.
>>57530003WIWAT
Gotta admire the tenacity (desperation?) Of the guy who bumps this nothing burger for days. If he'd put that much effort into getting a gun instead his mental issues would've already taken care of to get the psych clearance.
>>57529606>Imagine if Poland wasn't spit-roasted by both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union>>57529785>>57529979>>57530146>>57530154Guys, I don't want to ruin your power fantasies, but when the soviets came in Poland was already completely beaten by Germany alone.The Polish army kinda sucked and a two-front war would've become a one-front war pretty much immediately. In case you don't remember there were two fronts, France invaded Germany but quickly pulled back after Germany overran Poland as hard as it did because it wasn't ready for an invasion (or even a defensive war as they subsequently found out).Keep the cringy unjustified power trips to a minimum.
>>57526239SCHEISSVOLK HASSE!
>>57530519>but when the soviets came in Poland was already completely beaten by Germany alone.That's a lie, only about 25%, majority of the Polish forces were still active.
>>57511711sex
>>57511435Well surprise surprise, a taurus now is better than nothing when you're dead
This is like baby's first rifle. But it's a military contact
>>57531524>This is like baby's first rifleeggsblain
>>57530823Wasn't the Luftwaffe running out of ordnance by September 15th?
>>57510753Is ukraine basically not getting whatever they can in bulk ? thought that was basics of war economy
>>57532298Streamlight, holosun red dot with holsun 3x mag, grippod
>>57532717It's a display piece at expo, it's meant to impress visitors.
>>57529606>imagine Germany fighting a two-front war against Poland and France-Britainhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZuBtoiNHNA
>>57530823>>57532411Most historically illiterate copes I've seen all day and the only reason it's not the worst one of the week is because I interacted with a vatnik yesterday.The Polish army was broken and getting swept up by the time the Soviets joined in and the Luftwaffe had plenty of ordnance left and had already achieved all of its goals.>but only 25%25% of your army in such a short time is absolutely devastating and doesn't happen without the frontline massively breaking. The polish army could have held out at strong points a bit longer without soviets, but it literally would have only been a difference of a few days before the inevitable surrender. If you wanna pretend that they would've just kept going for no reason and with no chance of success all that does is move the timeline a bit.Stop being vatniggers with different flags. It's disgusting.
>>57533587>If you wanna pretend that they would've just kept going But that's exactly what they've done, as the Resistance. >for no reason See pic related>No chance of successAck!https://youtu.be/0PbMr1UpaRg
>>57532411Generally, the whole Wehrmacht was running out of supplies and so the logistics would have crashed one week after October 6th, 1939.
>>57533587>The Polish army was brokenWhich armies? Out of how many? Do you even know?>Luftwaffe had plenty of ordnance left>and had already achieved all of its goals.You're clueless.>The polish army could have held out at strong points a bit longer without soviets, but it literally would have only been a difference of a few days before the inevitable surrender.Dude, it would not have been more "days" but weeks at least, if anything, maybe a month or even more. And the Wehrmacht was running out of supplies. At the start of October 1939 it had two weeks worth left of supplies.
>>57525191>well poles want more influence in the EU, if Ukraine joins thatd be a VERY strong ally for themYou're forgetting Ukraine is run by a Jew. Nothing will change in the EU except that there will be one more nation autisticly screeching at based Poland
>>57530519>France invaded Germany but quickly pulled backIf France actually fully committed, Germany would've been done for. And this is the view of high-ranking officers from the German high command of that time.P.S. Especially if the USSR saw what was happening and didn't intervene (to save (then) their Ribbentrop-Molotov ally) like they did.
>>57533944>But that's exactly what they've done, as the Resistance.Absolutely pathetic cope. Also dishonorable as hell.You niggers surrendered and then played the>huh uh I had my fingers crossed behind my backBullshit and then complained when partisans got fucked for it. Always love the myth of>all of poland wanted to keep resisting but also any action against it is against my civiliansPick a narrative, subhuman.>See pic relatedFake news that wasn't even made up at that point.>ackLiterally what happened to the polish army.>>57534281Fantasy.>>57534357>Which armies?The institution.>clueless All goals were achieved, literally only infantry support was left. The polish airforce was taken out at the very beginning and without any real issues.>monthsDream on.>muh supplies Plenty to keep up the pressure. Obviously you take some break in-between offensives, but making up retarded fantasies about a chance for Poland that just wasn't there is downright silly.>>57534426>And this is the view of high-ranking officers from the German high command of that time.You mean the same guys who didn't expect the push into France to work?Framce had no capabilities for an offensive land war, they didn't just randomly pull back.Fucking hell, nobody copes like butthurt poles.
>>57533944>surrender>partisans exist therefore the army was clearly #neverdefeatedKek
>>57534426>P.S. Especially if the USSR saw what was happening and didn't intervene (to save (then) their Ribbentrop-Molotov ally) like they did>USSR had to save Germany from the mighty allied forces>in 1939What the fuck are history classes in poland like? Sounds like a wild ride.
>>57523345>2023>A.R.M.S. Mounts on a new opticBut why?
>germatard got triggered again
>>57535078you made a wall of text of 0 substance and maximum cope. the audacity of you calling us vatniks with a different flag.
>ChatGPT, write me the laziest and most obvious shitpost today starving for attention, aren't You
>>57535412Idk?
>>57535612Tell me something new.
Is Poland actually a military power these days? It seems their actually a player on the world stage now
>>57535763Germs are the vatniks of the west.
>>57535612>>57535763>>57535803>>57536852>>57537729>getting this triggered and samefagging this much while being too cowardly to actually reply to the posts>inb4 no we are different retards who all simultaneously got triggered by the truth that Poland got rekt in WWII and had no chance against the teutonic tanksI love you pathetic retards to bits. Just for this I'll pretend I don't notice it the next time one of you tardlets reveals that he clearly never held a gun in his hand while talking about fire-arms.>>57536896kek, noNever will be either.
>>57535078>You niggers surrendered and then played the>>huh uh I had my fingers crossed behind my backThe governor/city of Warsaw surrendered, but not the government/state, which escaped to France and then Britain, which controlled the Polish underground state in occupied Poland (General Government) and kept on fighting against Germany controlling the partisans (Home Army etc.) and the Polish Armed Forces in the West. So yes, on DE JURE on the political/state level, Poland didn't surrender and was the longest fighting Allied country of WW2.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12xyHnthCakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnrwB8inYrshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il3pThvwO5E
>>57535078>Pick a narrative, subhuman.>Fake news that wasn't even made up at that point.And this sums up perfectly the Germ mentality.https://youtu.be/Q88AkN1hNYM?t=126https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0LuqcsEFiwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3qHnfxQmKk
>>57538402>The governor/city of Warsaw surrendered, but not the government/state, which escaped to France and then Britain, which controlled the Polish underground state in occupied Poland (General Government) and kept on fighting against Germany controlling the partisans (Home Army etc.) and the Polish Armed Forces in the West. So yes, on DE JURE on the political/state level, Poland didn't surrender and was the longest fighting Allied country of WW2.>uhm AHKSHUALLYlmao, no you surrendered in all ways that mattered. Your cowardly government leaving its citizens behind and then trying to continue the war with civilians just to cry about action being taken against them as a result changes nothing about it.You surrendered and then tried to claim the benefits of that surrender while not honoring the duties that come with them. Peak Jewish behaviour.>>57538530>nooooooo you have to believe people could've been influenced by a narrative that didn't exist yet!Perfectly sums up Polish historical competence. This isn't even about the truth but a simple timeline impossibility you massive retard.Subhuman indeed. Cry some more about it and keep /pol/posting dozens of links nobody looks at, schizo. God I hope the normal poles were right and PiSsposters really just represent the lowest 10% of polish society instead of the average.Imagine being so deluded you think Poland had a chance against Germany in WWII.
>>57535078>Fantasy.You're the one living in a fantasy of myths. Alfred Jodl has stated that when Fall Weiss was over on October 6th, only about one weeks worth of supplies were left for the Wehrmacht, and after that supplies would have to come straight from the production and factories. And fyi, this would have slowed down the invasion substantially.>The institution.Again stop lying (to yourself) and manipulating. I asked WHICH ARMIES were broken and inactive on September 17th?http://www.1939.pl/organizacja/wosjko-polskie/index.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_army_order_of_battle_in_1939https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Polish_Army_1_SEP_1939.pngP.S. RETARD.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17NArJ6wQqohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMJc43wUPLMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n0BpQj9jqc
>>57535078>The polish airforce was taken out at the very beginning and without any real issues.Again, this "Polish air force ceased to exist within 3 days" is another lie that became a myth ingrained in the MSM, and it's NOT TRUE.>The Polish Air Force was not destroyed on the ground in the first days of the war. Though numerically inferior, it had been redeployed from major air bases to small camouflaged airfields shortly before the war. Only some trainers and auxiliary aircraft were destroyed on the ground. The Polish Air Force, despite being significantly outnumbered and with its fighters outmatched by more advanced German fighters, remained active until the second week of the campaign, inflicting significant damage on the Luftwaffe.[130] The Luftwaffe lost 285 aircraft to all operational causes, with 279 more damaged, and the Poles lost 333 aircraft.[131]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland#Polish_Air_Forcehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rMPLEAzbHIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm-osco3hD0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM141DqhBJw
>>57512051German Army adopted the HK416A8 instead, so HK is shopping the HK437 .300 BLK variant to police units now.
>>57538736>Plenty to keep up the pressure.See >>57538736>but making up retarded fantasies about a chance for Poland that just wasn't there is downright silly.It's not retarded. Poland then had the 4th largest army in Europe, after the USSR (#1), France (#2) and Germany (#3) that is. It had 1 milion strong army, sadly only halfway mobilized in September 1939, in large part thanks to British coercion of not mobilizing the Polish army earlier on in order to "not provoke the Germans" (or else Britain would waive their support for Poland)... Now IF the French leadership didn't chicken and instead commit to invade the almost undefended German western flank - as majority of the German forces were fighting in Poland - then they could easily steam roll into Germany, especially considering that France had an even bit larger army than the Germans in terms of both manpower, equipment and vehicles. Thus if France was advancing into German territory and Britain actually mass carpet-bombed German cities, then Stalin would see Germany being squished from both sides and probably would choose not to invade Poland on September 17th and maybe reconsider the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact all together. You can call Stalin many things, but he was definitely cunning like a fox, a snake, and wouldn't chose the losing side. Thus, without Soviets invading Poland from the east, the Polish army could have regrouped and actually execute the Romanian Bridgehead plan in the east and keep on resisting. Now if we take into account the dwindling German supplies and France advancing from their western flank, the Wehrmacht would have to relocate many divisions from Poland to save their flanked ass, reliving Polish forces for a counterattack.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Bridgeheadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov5dMkZcfyAP.S. And yes, this is what Alfred Jodl has admitted to during the Nurnberg trails, that if France kept up their invasion, Germany could have fallen like a house of cards.
So, to summarize, basically if the French didn't pussy out in 1939, we could have had a joint Allied (Polish-French-British) parade in Berlin already in 1940.P.S. This is a MUST WATCH:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6cEezizZ2c
>>57539860And Europe could have looked like this...
>>57539921Or maybe even like this.P.S. But Prussia surely would have been capped.
>>57538650>>57538736>And fyi, this would have slowed down the invasion substantially.No significant change in the outcome. A break in-between offenses is normal.>Again stop lying (to yourself) and manipulating.Maybe you should learn the meaning of words before replying.> I asked WHICH ARMIES were broken and inactive on September 17th?Is that what I wrote?Or did I write:>The Polish army was brokenI even specified>the institutionAnd it was. Cry about it.Won't bother with the rest of your post, no idea why you still believe anybody watches all that shit.>>57539754>>57538999Tldnr, don't care, didn't ask. Stay wrong.>>57539819>>57539844>>57539860Did you really have to post that 3 times? lmaoAlso no, Poland was well and truly fucked by Germany alone already.It's pretty funny how much effort you put into it and how fucking new you are.Look at all of this samefagging:>>57538650>>57538736>>57538999>>57539754>>57539819>>57539844>>57539860>>57539921>>57539941Just post once and don't press the submit button until you feel like you've said what needed to be said. You genuinely seem like somebody to not mentally well enough to live on his own without government assistance.Isn't it like 4am in Poland right now? You do this every day, do you not have a job? I think you might be the most schizo pole we got from the recent wave of tourism.
>>57511190they keep making them BIGGER
>>57540083Those are just the 22lr and 9mm versions.Also>that one schizoid solving a dozen captchas just to delete half the postsI've been here since 2010 and I've literally never seen any anon act like that in all this time. I've seen people doubleposting regularly, I've seen tripleposts, but that's the first... nonuple? post.>>57540107He did it again.Anon, I'm not trying to be a dick but I genuinely believe you should go to bed and seek professional help.You seem incredibly mentally unhealthy even if you are 100% correct about literally everything you say, this kind of obsessive behaviour is pretty fucked.
>>57538613>lmao, no you surrendered in all ways that mattered.Naaah, more like you did, while Polish soldiers were storming Berlin in 1945, pic rel. ;)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berlinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTJuq1QgfOg>You surrendered and then tried to claim the benefits of that surrender while not honoring the duties that come with them. Peak Jewish behaviour.Oh JAAAS, just take it DEIN POLNISCHE SCHWEINE, take the humiliation, ethnic cleanings from property and land, "'łapanki" aka deportations to camps and for slave labor (often leading to death), mass executions on the streets, destruction and thievery of Polish culture and art from homes, private collections and museums, just taaake it right? Because NOT taking it would be Jewish, and you don't want to be Jewish, right Pole???>you're soo dumb
>>57540137>He did it again.I like pissing you off. ;)
>>57540143>Naaah, more like you did,>Germany fought for 6 years before surrendering>Poland didn't even fight for 6 weeks before surrendering>Oh JAAAS, just take it DEIN POLNISCHE SCHWEINE,Projection>take the [...]Cry more about it. Nobody cares. The czechs had a fine time under the Reich. You sperged out and got the reaction>noooooo you can't just react when I sabotage the war effort against the communists who subsequently ravaged polandImagine being so retarded you fuck with the army trying to keep literal communists out of your country lmaoWell, I guess you at least got what you deserved afterwards by being a soviet slave.>>57540159Different IDs.
>>57539994>Or did I write:>>The Polish army was broken>I even specified>>the institutionAnd my clear point was that you're wrong and are lying. Not the "whole institution" as most of it was still operational on the 17th. You're wrong.>Just post once and don't press the submit button until you feel like you've said what needed to be said. Also, cannot entirely as there are text limits per post.
>>57540189>>57540143Casual reminder that if Germans would've felt 10% of the antipathy you pretend they felt for Poland back then there wouldn't be any poles alive right now.They had 6 years to genocide you, literal negroes in Africa could do it to a subjugated poopulation in that time.>>57540212>And my clear point was that you're wrong and are lyingNope, the Polish army was broken.Hence why they surrendered shortly after.>Also, cannot entirely as there are text limits per post.You have 2000 letters. You didn't even use 50 here >>57539921Stop making excuses for being a retard, anon.
>>57540235>literal negroes in Africa could do it to a subjugated poopulation in that time.Nogs did like 800k in 4 months in Rwanda with machetes and a couple of AKs for crowd control. It's surprisingly common for people to underestimate the ease of ending large numbers of human lives if you really don't like certain people. And that wasn't even a disarmed populace like Poland after the war. Civilians suck at not getting killed.
>>57540189>Imagine being so retarded you fuck with the army trying to keep literal communists out of your country lmaoPoland was THE ONE country that saved Poland and thus in turn Europe from communists, NOT GERMANY. If anything, it was Germany that cooperated with the communists and allowed them to take power by sending Lenin in his train to Russia to blow it up from within during WW1. Then Poland had to stop Lenin and his Bolshevik revolution on Warsaw's gatesteps and crush the Red Army in 1920.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9Jd0vvMLW8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGHf0tUeckAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQny4srvIAP.S. Germany and Russian collaborating is old and long well known in Poland.
>>57540338>Poland was THE ONE country that saved Poland and thus in turn Europe from communists,>soviets were so weak they lost against puny poland>but also so strong they would've overrun the entirety of Europe if Poland wouldn't have stopped themThat is my favorite Polish myth.>If anything, it was Germany that cooperated with the communistsHitler wanted to cooperate with poland, Beck thought it would be wise to end up isolated without allies and hated by everybody at the end of the 1930s instead.Man, who could've guessed that Italy, Yugoslavia, Hungary and Romania wouldn't want to be in an alliance led by Poland.>P.S. Germany and Russian collaborating is old and long well known in Poland.Kek, Germany had many separate alliances for separate German states. Maybe you'd know that if Poland would've existed a bit more throughout the last 1000 years.Then again, if you'd be more competent warriors and statesmen, I guess you wouldn't have been in that situation in the first place.
>>57540235>Casual reminder that if Germans would've felt 10% of the antipathy you pretend they felt for Poland back then there wouldn't be any poles alive right now.And that might have been the case if Germany didn't lose WW2.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_the_Polish_nationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8-_cg40uzY
>>57540418>fake quotes and whininglelNigger if Hitler would have actually given orders to exterminate every pole you wouldn't be alive right now.Meanwhile in reality:>"Even in Pan-German circles one heard the opinion expressed that the Austrian Germans might very well succeed in Germanizing the Austrian Slavs ... Those people did not understand that a policy of Germanization can be carried out only as regards human beings. But it is almost inconceivable how such a mistake could be made as to think that a Nigger or a Chinaman will become a German because he has learned the German language."Straight out of MK, you can look it up right now.
>>57540235>They had 6 years to genocide you,Why would you genocide your cattle and slaves working for your war machine during a war? The Germans were milking occupied Poland for A LOT of resources to keep the war going.
>>57540418>>57540418>muh intelligenzaktion>dictator removes some anti-German academic and upper class garbage while obviously holding back considering how many remainedObviously a sign of genocide.>meanwhile soviets kill way moreNothing to see here.>>57540443The goal was Germanization. Removal of Polish nationality if you will.Not like that's a secret. But since you brought up Himmler:"Generalplan ost" (i.e. genocide) as it is commonly presented was one of five versions of napkin-math "what are our options" and was immediately thrown out for being both undesirable and impossible to implement.Himmler who was a hard-liner in regard to "Eastern territories" and their populations, said that extermination would not just be physically impossible, it would also be "barbaric and wholly Bolshevik." And mind you, this was a man who held harshest views on the topic.From personal correspondence between Himmler and Hitler.https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_war-criminals_Vol-XIII.pdfPages 145 and onwards. Especially 152 and onwards is interesting, because it states in no uncertain terms the actual aims of Nazi government what to do with Slavs - ie.: gradual Germanization, deconstruction of their national identities and adoption of universal German/Reich identity.Funnily enough, that is exactly what Soviets did later, but only with Russian language and Russian nation.You're just absolutely wrong and we have the personal correspondence of both Hitler and Himmler from the fucking Nuremberg trials to prove it.
>>57519541Massive Ukrainian diaspora.
>>57540412>Italy, Yugoslavia, Hungary and Romania wouldn't want to be in an alliance led by Poland.Tell me what Hungary did during WW2 considering Poland, or what Mussolini said and wanted when he learned of the invasion of Poland or what he thought of German "fascism", smartass. ;)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary–Poland_relations#World_War_IIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMHkSgXNQoghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jSi_F3Brmwhttps://youtu.be/tQ1twobdTPw?t=307https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6_B5Bcuqx4
>>57540577Trudeau just wanted to disarm the Canadian army, at least he didn't just sell off the tanks for no reason this time.>>57540418>>57540434>>57540443>>57540458>quotes from Nuremberg trial evidence and Mein Kampf vs sourceless images from 4chanTough call.
>>57540601You mean the countries that decided to ally with Germany instead of Poland?Reminder:>Poland was almost certainly the most disliked and her Foreign Minister the most distrusted. Poland's pursuit of an independent line left her bereft of any close friends by the end of 1938.... The Western powers saw Poland as a greedy revisionist power, illiberal, anti-Semitic, pro-German; Beck was a 'menace', arrogant and treacherous.[2]How are you so delusional?
>>57540577So what? Is that literally the only reason?
>>57540632>>57540601>inb4 how could they think he's pro-German when he doomed his country by being so anti-German he'd rather have commies conquer Poland than ally with GermanyBecause he was unironically that incompetent. In his attempts to keep Poland independent he also flip-flopped on any view every 3 months and kept trying to play different major powers out against each other.That's the guy who had total control over Poland's foreign policy in the 30s.
>>57540656No, see >>57540617Trudeau literally just doesn't value the Canadian armed forces at all and he's happy to be able to give away Canadian equipment for any cause that is currently popular, Canada having less materiel is actually a bonus to him.
>>57540235>Nope, the Polish army was broken.Again, most of the armies were still operational.>Hence why they surrendered shortly after.You mean 20 days later? And that's because after the 17th they needed to regroup to cover the eastern flank and everything turned even more south and the situation then was completely helpless. Before the 17th there was still hope, especially if France actually committed like they had promised.
>>57540656They're a large and successful minority population here, and Ukrainian-Canadians have and do occupy not-insignificant political offices in Canada. It's not the only reason, but it would be neglectful to think it's not a contributing factor.
>>57540693Schizoidalny, how often are you going to reply to the same post?>Again, most of the armies were still operational.Barely, not for long and the army as an institution was fucked and had suffered massive damage to its logistics, supply system and air force.Bro, it was joever.>You mean 20 days later?Truly an eternity.>Before the 17th there was still hope, especially if France actually committed like they had promised.Attacked by a massively superior foe, lines broken, massive casualties already taken, technologically and doctrinally inferior with a worse army against absolute air superiority.Poland was fucked.
>>57517972Its not the kids fault he gets to be raised without his father, anon. Have some compassion, but just dont go full faggot and let the mother do whatever.
>>57540768There's actually an update to that story, no idea about the truthfulness of it, but his mother said the kid was scared after and only kicked the dog because of that after the neighbor lady called her out and gave her a lot of shit for it. The lady's too nice and offered to let the kid get to know the dog in a more controlled environment.I'm not really sure what to believe, my gf saw the kid (early teens) lift their own dog (french bulldog, disgusting race) up and carry it around a bit by pulling the leash and lifting it by its collar around the neck, obviously choking it in the process.I really want to move out of the city and back home on the countryside again.
>>57540693Sabaton mocno wszedł widzę
>>57540743>not for long and the army as an institutionYes, AFTER 17 September, guess WHY?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__Ztie1-v7s
>>57540889Didn't you skip a few posts? I wonder why.I actually made good progress on my thesis while talking to you here, schizopole, but I'll have to go to bed now. Don't think I didn't notice you completely ignoring these two posts>>57540434 >>57540458 destroying your weird babble about >muh genocide though. Hopefully you can drop your obsessive tardation and unfuck your worldview someday. I doubt you made any progress today, you'll surely have some excuse why Nuremberg trial evidence and their personal correspondence is somehow faked in favor of Hitler and Himmler.To reply to your actual post:Poland was well and truly fucked before on the 17th September already. It was militarily inferior to Germany in all aspects, the momentum was on Germany's side and Poland had already taken great losses in territory, personell, fortified positions and, possibly most importantly, the Luftwaffe had fucked up its relevant infrastructure pretty badly despite the whole thing basically being a training run to try out new tactics.Good night.
>>57540743>Poland was fucked.After 17th it truly was, I agree.
>>57540927Oh, I was going to, but anyway. Nite.
>>57540838Cringe.
>>57512051looks like an ARX on a diet
>>57512939>country as small and poor as poland dumping that much cashJesus christ
>>57510753Why are all modern assault rifles like this?
>>57541759Some features have become a standard over time.
>>57511585Am I remember incorrectly, or did the Poles make some criminal order to extradite a prototype semi-auto rifle that some dude privately owned? Something about cultural heritage or some shit. Dude spent thousands on the rifle and got ripped by the Poles.
Can you Pollacks please provide some fucking English subtitles for this video, already?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHE48oMtojkI've had it in Watch Later for almost 2 years since I want to see just how inaccurate Land of War is and why Poles hate it.
Reminder Poland capitalized on the Munich Crisis to invade Czechoslovakia and annex it's territory.There was actually fighting between the Polish and Czechoslovakian armed forces since there was a miscommunication about the time to invade.
>>57543037Since we posting wikipedia articleshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_border_conflicts>Czechoslovak troops entered area managed by Polish interim body on January 23. Czechoslovak troops gained the upper hand over the weaker Polish units. Most Polish forces were then engaged in fighting with the West Ukrainian National Republic over eastern Galicia.
polish posters on /k/ are about the same quality as canadian posters on /pol/t. janusz
>>57510753
>>57534426The Saar Offensive stood 0 (ZERO) chance of success you fucking mong.https://discover.hubpages.com/education/The-Saar-Offensive-The-Impossible-DreamIt isn't "if France pressed home the attack," it's "if France had an entirely different force than what it had available, if it went through entirely different armament and structure processes during the interwar, and if it's commanders disregarded all logic and reason."
>>57543327Agreed. But not as bad ad delusional historyfags. Which are second only to wehraboos.
>>57543163And? Poland was land grabbing from Ukraine at the time, so Czechoslovakia land grabbed from Poland. It doesn't justify colluding with the Nazis almost two decades later out of spite and against your own national interests.
>>57534426>molotov-ribbentrop allythey weren't allies it was a non-aggression treaty combined with a (Secret) partition of poland, neither side would have come and helped the other.
>>57541759how do you upgrade something that is perfect?
>>57539754See >>57543464
>>57541759Because we've been doing the whole assault rifle thing in various ways for close to a century now and have got the general shape of them figured out pretty well. Do it much different and you're either losing features or common (practically universal at this point) aftermarket compatibility. Even the chinks stopped trying to be special snowflakes and adopted a rifle that fits the mold of basically everything else.
>>57541352Poland is around the size of Germany and has like the 20th largest economy in the world?
>>57542906Yes, but he was compensated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtUJzQRPq6s
>>57544117Cool, thanks.
>>57543019Oh boy... You had to mention it, didn't you.Okay, this is the best I can do, take it or leave it:>Three years of work on Land of War, in which erroneous scripts are at every turn, as well as historical inaccuracies. Here is my review of Land of War, the long-awaited Polish FPS showing the September campaign of 1939. [...] What is the problem with Land of War? First of all, it's a fact how bugged game, barely working and completely untested we get after 3 years of work. This can be forgiven by the authors of Land of War looking at the debut and small budget. However, the Land of War cannot be forgiven for CRITICAL historical lies and deliberate shortcomings in this respect. The royal castle survived a severe fire on September 17, 1939, in the Land of War we visit it intact on September 19. The authors of Land of War have dissed the issue of officer insignias, the so-called "stars" giving them out randomly, just as long as they were. Historically, they fucked up a total of at least 20 times in the mass of details... And Land of War was to be faithfully reproduced...You get the gist.
>>57544230Thanks!
>>57543037Yes, and that wasn't meant to happen because the Polish government negotiated first with the Czechoslovak one to cede the territory first, before Polish troops were to move in. So that Polish unit apparently moved in earlier than it should, or the Czech one didn't get the memo from their government in time.>>57543484>Poland was land grabbing from Ukraine>from UkraineUgh...>It doesn't justify colluding with the Nazis almost two decades later out of spite and against your own national interests.First off, it wasn't really "colluding" as there was no cooperation nor communication between Poland and Germany on the political or military level when it came to Czechia. The Germans were bit surprised when they learned that Poles went into Zaolzie. And secondly, how was retaking a majority Polish speaking territory, that would otherwise be occupied by the Germans instead, be against Polish interests?>Pic rel: Red - Poles; Green - Czechs.
>>57510772Just abolish the ATF and I promise you'll even get two.
>>57544315>>57544333>So that Polish unit apparently moved in earlier than it should,That's what happened. There was also conflict in Zdiar,https://historia.interia.pl/kartka-z-kalendarza/news-27-listopada-1938-r-bitwa-pod-zdziarem,nId,2311844https://wycieczkinakresy.wordpress.com/2020/11/27/27-listopada-1938-r-bitwa-pod-zdziarem/I'm not super versed on it though since I don't read Czech. But among the invading Poles killed at Zdiar was cavalrymen Stefan Rago (pic related)>Ugh...Not an argument.I can't seem to find it, but there's a very fitting political cartoon depicting Poland and Russia grabbing on to either side of Ukraine and ripping it apart.>And secondly, how was retaking a majority Polish speaking territory,>>Pic rel: Red - Poles; Green - Czechs.Polish speaking =/= Polish identifying>that would otherwise be occupied by the Germans instead, be against Polish interests?Because you legitimized the Nazi annexation and made it harder for Britain and France to criticize when you did the same thing.
>>57544333>>57544405Allow me to correct myself; Cadca was southeast of the delimitation line. Marshal Edward Śmigły-Rydz had ordered it's invasion and occupation.ie, the Poles invaded past the territory they had already invaded and annexed, into undisputed Czechoslovak territory.
>>57544333>>57544572It's also worth noting the Poles had prepared to launch a military invasion of Teschen proper in the event the Czechoslovak government didn't accept their ultimatum.
>>57544405>Poland and Russia grabbing on to either side of Ukraine and ripping it apart.Except Czerwieńszczyzna/Haliczyzna is not actually Ukraine (proper), at least especially in that time. There was no state called Ukraine in history before 1917-18, and that territory has belonged to Poland for many centuries (like around 500 years) prior to the partitions and then later "Ukrainian" nationalists claiming it.>Polish speaking =/= Polish identifyingI'm fairly sure most of them identified more with Poland than Czechoslovakia.>Because you legitimized the Nazi annexationOh please... The Brits legitimized it politically more or less themselves.>harder for Britain and France to criticize when you did the same thing.WHO CARES. But have you completely forgotten Chamberlain??? The Brits more or less allowed it to happen to "save the peace".
>>57544333>>57544405Also I can't read Polish, but you likely can; here are the sources on Rago's death during the Battle of Zdiar.https://academica.edu.pl/reading/readSingle?page=1&uid=21592499jbc.bj.uj.edu.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=94635jbc.bj.uj.edu.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=94634Zdiar doesn't seem to be anywhere near Jablunkov, so I assume it's a different battle to the left page of pic related.>>57544688>that territory has belonged to Poland for many centuries (like around 500 years) prior to the partitions and then later "Ukrainian" nationalists claiming it.Teschen had belonged to Czechs for hundreds of years as well before demographic changes, too. It was just a taste of your own medicine; your rational isn't appreciated when used against you.>I'm fairly sure most of them identified more with Poland than Czechoslovakia.Baseless bias. Civilians fired on occupying Polish troops, per right page of pic related.>Oh please... The Brits legitimized it politically more or less themselves.Britain didn't invade an annex part of the same country the Nazis were invading an annexing. They may have allowed it but were still critical of Hitler's expansionism; Poland expanding with the Nazis made it harder to be.
>>57544688>>57544774Also since the citation for civilians firing on the Polish invaders is abbreviated, here's the full title,>Samodzielna Grupa Operacyjna Slask: Sprawozdanie z Dzialania Grupy, 1938 (New York: Jozef Pilsudski Institute of America)
>>57544774>jbc.bj.uj.edu.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=94634This magazine is still active, btw.https://www.polska-zbrojna.pl/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2dnYVgL4og>Teschen had belonged to Czechs for hundreds of years as well before demographic changes, too.Excuse me, what "changes"? And Zaolzie belonged to Poland/Poles even before Bohemia took it over. That's why a Polish majority speaking population was there to begin with for so many centuries ever since the Middle Ages.>Baseless bias.NO, most spoke POLISH.>Civilians fired on occupying Polish troops, per right page of pic related.Yes, the smaller Czech MINORITY in some few accidents here and there.The Czechs stopped the planned plebiscite over Zaolzie for a reason, and instead took the opportunity by annexing (read as: stealing from Poland) the territory in 1919 while the Polish army was fighting for its borders in the east. They knew the area would have gone to Poland by the share outcome of the upcoming plebiscite, knowing the population composition. You started this and now play the victim.
>>57545281All that mattered is that the majority of Zaolzie's population was happy.
>>57543474>But not as bad ad delusional historyfagsIt's rare to find a polish poster who isn't one.>Which are second only to wehraboos.When was the last time you've seen an actual wehraboo post? I see people complain about them about 50 times more than I see an embarrassing retard like that actually post and the people who do complain about them tend to be massive faggots.>>57544046Germany is a pretty small country as well and 99% of the world is complete garbage, anon.>>57544333>because the Polish government negotiated firstBased negotiation enjoyer.>>57544688>that territory has belonged to Poland for many centuries (like around 500 years)How would that be possible?Even Poland hadn't belonged to Poland much in the preceding 500 years, anon.
>>57510753Nice
>>57530562SEIT WANN GEHÖR'N POLACKEN
>>57510753Poland could make a serious power move by flooding Ukraine with the Grot. Get them hooked on Polish industry.
>>57546840Production capability is limited, Poland needs those it produces for its own army and frankly, without the added bonus of being able to produce the thing in your own factories there really isn't any reason to adopt it instead of the usual AR15 clone every white country has nowadays, especially if Ukraine has NATO aspriations.
>>57546867>Production capability is limitedThe entire Western world is sending billions to the war effort. These dollars could easily be redirected to polish industry.
>>57546867>>57546840Imagine if Poland, Lativia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Ukraine pooled their resources to create a defense industry distinct from NATO and Russia/China.This would create real competition and be a net positive for defense innovation.
>>57546891That shit needs to be built up first and why the fuck would any country agree to that?>>57546908>Imagine if Poland, Lativia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Ukraine pooled their resources to create a defense industry distinct from NATO and Russia/China.That would be incredibly stupid, counter producitve and none of those nations have a reason to fuck with interoperability, especially the baltics and Ukraine because both are entirely dependent on NATO protection.>This would create real competitionThere is plenty of that in the arms sector.Stop coming up with things you want to happen and then trying to justify them with silly shit afterwards.
>>57546969>There is plenty of that in the arms sectort. LockmartThere's no competition and you know it.
>>57546776>Even Poland hadn't belonged to Poland much in the preceding 500 years, anon.Don't make me laugh Pepiczku.
>>57546908>Imagine if Poland, Lativia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Ukraine pooled their resources to create a defense industry distinct from NATO and Russia/China.That would basically be like recreating pic rel.
>>57546969>because both are entirely dependent on NATO protection.POLAND IS NATO and without Poland the Baltics have limited to no NATO help and are cutoff and done for. Kind of similar with Ukraine, but less.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOc5jDzdCg4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RBMJqSgECUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyLNmlXMjCshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQlO0kV8qfAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBFpZDVUti8
>>57546996Only in the parts of it all of those countries combined couldn't get into for about 20-30 years anyway.>>57547596>POLAND IS NATO and without Poland the Baltics have limited to no NATO help and are cutoff and done for. Kind of similar with Ukraine, but less.Least egocentric polish poster.
>>57547509Borders don't really change if you just cease to exist. They just disappear.Ironically, one of those times Poland reappeared after a long time was literally only because a German diplomat wrestled it away from Russia (and at least as a bargaining chip from Prussia) at the congress of Vienna to give it independence.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtOXq9SwarQI'm fairly sure that there was a second time that happened because of a German diplomat but I don't remember when.
>>57545738>NO, most spoke POLISH.Irrelevant to what I said; Polish language =/= Polish identity. If nationality was decided by language, then Switzerland wouldn't exist.>Yes, the smaller Czech MINORITY in some few accidents here and there.Read my source; it clearly states that incidents of civilians firing on Polish troops occurred "even in what were assumed to be friendly areas.">You started this and now play the victim.You started this by gobbling up land from Ukraine. I'm not even Czech; I just have common sense and basic morality.>>57545872>All that mattered is that the majority of Zaolzie's population was happy.Horseshit as well established. I could get you images of Danzig citizens welcoming Nazis as liberators as well, and it wouldn't mean that Poland at large welcomed Nazi invasion.
>>57547908>it wouldn't mean that Poland at large welcomed Nazi invasion.Oh zey vill velcolm it next time.Zey vill.
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>>57548191After one year of polish tourists that meme hits different.Still mean though.
>>57546811ZUR ARISCHEN RASSE
>>57547908>Read my source; it clearly states that incidents of civilians firing on Polish troops occurred "even in what were assumed to be friendly areas."Okay, so by your logic, if turns out that a town of 1000 people has ONE rapist, does that then mean that the whole town is filled with rapists? Maybe it should be renamed to Rapistville eh?
>>57547836Those were the best borders, prove me wrong.
>>57548918It takes a LOT of general discontent for someone to feel comfortable enough to risk their life firing at soldiers. The fact that this occurred even in assumed "friendly" areas shows there was much discontent even in majority Polish speaking places.As mentioned your Danzig-esque propaganda photographs aren't an argument.
>>57549201Look, they got attacked by having flowers thrown at them! :3
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>>57549258>>57549332I accept your concession, though leave it to Poles to not admit to losing an argument with any semblance grace.
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>>57549403Look at dread in his eyes... the horror!
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>>57549417Poland really loved Nazi 'liberation'!
>>57549258>>57549417>>57549431The Nazis were sure to get flowers as presents for their liberation of Poland as well.
So if I read this correctly the newfriend spammer started arguments with half a dozen different people in this thread about a plethora of different topics.I'll admit I only really looked at the last 2, but did he lose the rest as well or did he win at least one?
>>57549417>>57549451It's almost like out of context propaganda photos don't represent reality!
>>57549417NTA but if you take a close look at his face he does actually look like he's being forced to do it.Maybe he was nervous.
>>57549417>>57549495In summation you not only invaded and annexed Czechoslovak territory that you had no right to per your own rationale for robbing land from Ukraine, but you also invaded past the agreed upon delimitation line, which is when the Czechoslovakian armed forces had to kill a few of you invaders.Your status as blameless victims is farcical; you did the exact same fucking shit the Nazis did, and they gladly welcomed your aggression as a propaganda win.Never forget the Czechoslovakian heroes who died defending their country from the invading Polish menace.
>>57549377>>57549386>>57549405>>57549420>>57549431>>57549451>>57549495Ahh, the Free City of Gdańsk/Danzig, that wasn't even within the borders of the Second Polish Republic in 1939 to begin with. I bet its 90% German speaking majority surely loved it.
>>57549555>komitet walkiDidn't know Poland had a committee for silly walks.
>>57549555>that wasn't even within the borders of the Second Polish Republic in 1939 to begin with.Someone failed at geography.>I bet its 90% German speaking majority surely loved it.98%, and certainly, no Nazis were shot at by common citizens in majority ethnic German areas, unlike when Poland invaded the Polish language speaking areas Czechoslovakia!
>>57549499Yep, they forced her as well on gunpoint, that's why she's crying. ;)
>>57549649Her too.
>>57549662They shot almost those kids.
>>57549555>>57549623Also you never answered; how does Switzerland exist when they speak German, French, and Italian? Shouldn't all areas be annexed by Germany, France and Italy in their respective majority language areas, you fascist Polish fucktard? Hmm, it's almost like national identity isn't defined by language alone or something!The Polish speaking citizens of Teschen identified as Czechoslovakian, and that is evidenced by their noteworthy resistance to Polish invasion and occupation.
>>57549649>>57549662>>57549675>More Nazi tier propaganda photosYou've already basically conceded, why are you beating your own corpse?
>>57549649Kinda does look like that.>>57549662>>57549675Can't see their faces.
>>57549537>annexed Czechoslovak territory that you had no right to per your own rationaleYou're actually dumb.> for robbing land from Ukraine,Robbed? The Ukrainians were trying to rob us of our Polish majority inhabited and built from the ground up cities that belonged to Poland longer than any other country like Lwów.>but you also invaded past the agreed upon delimitation line,Those one truly invaded and breaking international agreements were Czechs in 1919. Then you proceeded to massacre Polish POWs consisting mostly of elderly veterans and boy scouts like cowards. And no, we haven't forgotten, at least I haven't.
>>57549861NTA but considering the events of the past year the Ukrainians probably deserve the lands more than the poles.>actually we are the victims and Czechs are monsters!You seem to cry out in pain as you strike others. Post nose.
>>57549537>>57549861>Then you proceeded to massacre Polish POWs consisting mostly of elderly veterans and boy scouts like cowards.
>>57549861>You're actually dumb.Your the dumb one. You claimed Poland had a right to annex parts of Ukraine because they were Polish for hundreds of year, yet Teschen was Czechoslovakian for hundreds of years.>built from the ground up cities that belonged to Poland longer than any other country like Lwów.Teschen was Czechoslovakian built from the ground up and belonged to the Czechs longer than any other country.>Those one truly invaded and breaking international agreements were Czechs in 1919.You land grabbed from Ukraine, Lithuania, and Germany. Cry more that you got a taste of your own medicine from the Czechs, you invading Polish bastard.>>57549898>>57549934>Waaah, we lost 92 soldiers while we murdered 454 Lithuanians and thousands of Ukrainians to steal their land! We're the victim, baaawhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_WarAll you got was a taste of your own medicine you Polish cocksucker. You attacked all your neighbors to gobble up their land, yet when Czechoslovakia launches a minor incursion to take territory that belonged to them for hundreds of years, you hold a grudge over it for 20 years and use it to justify doing the exact same thing the Nazis did at the exact same time they were doing it. You're an invading, warmongering menace to your neighbors and Czechoslovakia should've penetrated to the heart of Warsaw.
>>57549934https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Czechoslovak_War>On 26 January, Czechoslovak forces killed 20 Polish POWs in the village Stonava, which has been documented on photos.[19] According to some sources, they were bayonetted to death.[5][20] A monument has been erected in their memory in Stonava. According to Polish claims an unspecified number of Polish POWs were also killed in the village of Bystřice and a number of civilians killed in Karviná. Several thousand people were forced to flee to Poland, who returned in 1938 with the Polish annexation of Zaolzie and in turn started taking revenge on the local Czech populace.[21] There is a monument in Orlová, commemorating the Czech victims of the war.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Czechoslovak_War#War_crimes
>>57549934>be on rightful czech clay>shoot at its liberators >dieWhat's the issue?
>>57549961>yet Teschen was Czechoslovakian for hundreds of years.And they were Polish for hundreds of years + a Polish majority population for even much longer.
>>57549976THOSE ARE CZECHS SHOOTING POLISH POWs IDIOT. When they invaded Zaolzie in 1919 and stole it from Poland, while Poland was at war for its borders in the east.
>>57549963>20Something tells me polish hands murdered a lot more innocents who weren't even soldiers between the wars.
>>57550000See >>57549976
>>57550000He's saying that they got what was coming to them for trying to fight the Czechs and keep occupying Czechoslovak Teschen.>while Poland was at war for its borders in the east.ie while Poland was stealing land from Ukraine.
>>57549898>>57549934>>57549963>>57550000Also you committed your own crimes in your plunder of Ukraine.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_War#Civilian_casualties>When Poles captured Lviv, a mixed group of Polish criminals released from prisons, militiamen and some regular soldiers pillaged the Jewish and Ukrainian parts of the city, and abusing local civilians.[88] According to historian Norman Davis the Poles killed approximately 340 civilians, 2/3 of them Ukrainians and the rest Jews.[28] According to Christoph Mick, only Jews were killed during these events and Ukrainians, while subject to hostile acts, were not murdered.[89]You gain no sympathy that you lost Czechoslovak territory to Czechoslovakia while you were busy stealing Ukrainian territory from Ukraine, and that Czechs committed crimes against your POWs while you committed crimes against Ukrainian civilians.Cry more.
>>57550046>340 civilians, 2/3 of them Ukrainians and the rest Jews.>20 POWs vs 226 civilians and and 113 jewsNow even if we calculate the jew bonus into the equation poles still killed 113 innocent civilians.He's got you there. Poland certified 1930s rogue state. Seems like Big Hdid nothing wrong after all.
>>57550080>Seems like Big Hdid nothing wrong after all.That's not my argument; I'm just saying both the Nazis and Poles were shitheel invaders and that guiltless innocent Poland is a myth.
>>57549623>>that wasn't even within the borders of the Second Polish Republic in 1939 to begin with.Even your map has different colours differentiating the Free City of Danzig as a separate state entity from the IIRP you idiot. It was a different state under the proto-UN.
>>57550020Those were natives from that area and towns they defended, moron. It were the Czechs that invaded, that broke the demarcation line put in 1918. You're perfidious manipulator.
>>57550031>ie while Poland was stealing land from Ukraine.POLISH LAND.
>>57550097I know you're a bit gay, but I won't let that stop me from bullying the schizo over his tardlogic.Beck refusing to engage in diplomacy or even just agree to a demilitarized corridor to ensure supply over land to the east was a much bigger issue than 200 dead czechs.>>57550130>defend land you don't have any right to for a rogue government>waaahh waaahh why do I do1930s Poland was a terrorist state.
>>57549623>no Nazis were shot at by common citizens in majority ethnic German areas,Also, you're completely clueless.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_of_the_Polish_Post_Office_in_Danzighttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE3F7Mfy9zU
>>57550220>common citizens>federal officers of a foreign nation Pick one you retard
Reminder:Teschen is now part of SLOVAKIA!Lviv is now part of UKRAINE!Vilnius is now part of LITHUANIA!Poland's conquests have been rightfully reversed, as they should be; SEETHE, COPE, DILATE.>>57550220Government workers =/= common citizens, retard.
>>57550220>Belligerents>poland>vs>Danzig and GermanyHow fucking dumb are you? The common citizens were helping Germany.
>>57550240>N-NOOO!!! MY WARS OF CONQUEST... MY INVASIONS!!! THE CLAY THAT I STOLE...!!!
>>57550046https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnEFQb2Zzt4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB8mRZI8o6whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTriyWDOARYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n2ZaXuoNTUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48KiLN7koVYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-N8Oj8hQeM
>>57550298Seethe cope dilateSeethe cope dilateSeethe cope dilateSeethe cope dilateSeethe cope dilateSeethe cope dilate
>>57550236Most massacred there were civilians, idiot.>>57550262>>Danzig and GermanyWhat's the problem, retard. Danzig had its own police and paramilitary units, genius.
>>57550240>Teschen is now part of SLOVAKIA!You're a top-level RETARD, I'll give you that.>>57550285Not stolen but was stolen from. There's a difference. But we'll regain what's ours, sooner or later.
>>57550383>Not stolen but was stolen from. There's a difference. But we'll regain what's ours, sooner or later.Thank you for seething and coping. Can't confirm whether or not you dilated, but 2/3 isn't bad.
>>57550402Soon. ;)
>>57550424https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVXnm8K7QwQ
>>57550432https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuwwcLvNlGEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-WA14Zz0tQhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lw%C3%B3w_Oath
>>57550439https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiekjno91WA
>>57550348Anon talked about how the people of Danzig didn't shoot at Germans.You tried to prove him wrong by showing postmen of poland, polishcitizens employed by the polish state, doing so.He won, you lost.
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