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Plate carriers infographic
Belts infographic
Updated armor plate flowchart, highly practical
*ting ting* *cough* uhm - a moment of your time, please, gentlemen. We need current footwear and eyewear infographics. 1. What are good boots?2. What are good shooting/ballistic eyewear options?Thank you for your time and attention to this matter.
>>56860579I don't know about their helmets, but Revision's eyewear has always looked really good to me. Have a Shadowstrike (most cringe name ever) and really like it.
>>56860579Tons of good boots out there. Recently I've really taken to the gore-tex Salomon Quest 4s. Have held up admirably to a few thousand miles now on mostly easy to moderate, but some tough terrain. Are only recently starting to show some moderate wear and tear. Waterproofing/gore-tex has held strong the whole time. Will probably replace this pair this year and retire the current to shit yard/labor duty. Before these I was big on the gore-tex Merrell MOAB mids, though they typically started to wear and tear quicker than the Quest 4s, which was offset by the fact they were like 60% of the price. I've also been enjoying the Altama OTB maritime assault mid cut shoes for general purpose wear. Basically a gear queer Chuck Taylor. I've relied on the three lens Oakley government package for eye pro for many years now. Could get them for like $50 at one point because there was pallets upon pallets of government overstock.
I hate you all so much.
>>56860579>1. What are good boots?describe the environment you're larping in and I'll give you some recommendations>2. What are good shooting/ballistic eyewear options?Basically whatever you want that works for you and your ear pro. I just wear my prescription sunglasses because they're already scratched and I got that sweet stiggy in both eyes. I'll make the point that you should absolutely try on and wear any eye pro for several hours before shooting with them (so you dont fuck them up and can't return them, but ymmv). A lot of eye pro, in my eyes at least, cause a fish eye effect. If you wear only ear plugs, the temples don't matter. If you wear earphones, then you'll need to figure out if you want to switch the cups on your ear pro with ones that have a channel for your eye pro's temples, or if you want to instead seek out eye pro with really flat temples. I'd argue it's smarter to replace your ear pro's cups to gel cups with a channel for eye pro. Eye pro is something you should neither spend top nor bottom dollar for- cheap eye pro is shit and expensive eye pro is just going to be that much more expensive to replace once you inevitably scratch them. Idk about bass pro but cabelas usually has a big section for eye pro in their stores so you aren't buying online judging solely by how tacticool they look
>>56860572how legit are those blackbeard plates? they seem very sketchy to me. Nobody seems to own them, they don't make any NIJ certified products, I haven't seen any tests of them, and they don't even have third party test results on their website.
>>56860579>2. What are good shooting/ballistic eyewear options?Venture Surplus has pretty nice "balistic" goggles for ~$30. I used them splitting wood and fooging was minimal out of the box. Came with spare lenses, cover and pouch, and lens treatment I haven't applied yet. I picked up several pairs for famnfrens.
>>56860572>doesn't use diamond box as decision pointYou don't have formal flowchart training, do you?
>>56863535>akshully!you need to be 18 to post here
>>56863562>button pressed>trigger triggered>cauldron simmered
>>56863276They have some LEO contracts, and 5 pounds for an RF2 plate is spot on for a mid-tier plate with a B4C/SiC strike face. They also ship from the US, and they're a US company. So I think that we can give them the benefit of the doubt for now. Might want to get a 6x6" side plate and see what it can do.
>>56863494>Venture SurplusMfg Park City, UT.
>>56860572thanks bro
>>56863814fuck it I did just that. gonna have to also pick up a couple of pawnshop rifles to properly test it. otherwise the best I can do is confirm it's at least level ii. If you're an actual blackbeard shill better send me a good one
>>56865064Not an actual shill. It's just that Blackbeard seems like one of the better deals going for poorfags. Anyway, good job, we salute your service, and please report back.
>>56863535Do me a favor: Sketch me an image of how it ought to look, and I swear I'll fix it up properly. I'm not a cubicle jockey, so I don't know these things!
>>56865191>Blackbeard seems like one of the better deals going for poorfagsChecked.
>>56865220Seems like it's gonna be checked, IRL. >>56865064You got to do a Buffman-style teardown.
Are vans still in the meta?
>>56865291I drive a hatchback but I think pickups are the meta
>>56865211Ok, give me a day.
>>56865291For commies.
>>56865291Pick ups and actual SUV's, i.e J80 land cruiser
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How important is it to have multi-curve plates for comfort? If I can get single curve Hesco 210s for $200 a plate, is it worth it to spend double to triple the price on multi-curve plates?
>>56860579>>56862968I can back up the Merrell MOAB boots being good. I've run around in them in the desert and I've taken them for winter weather and worn them daily. They do seem like they'd wear out faster than really Gucci shit under harder use like that anon said, but boots have to be seen as semi-disposable no matter how nice in the end.
>>56868019It depends on your build. If you're thin, you probably won't notice a huge difference. If you're muscular or just overweight, it's night and day. But hey, you can get a flexible Level IV plate from SAS for not much more money. Seems like a better option.
>>56865687Thanks bro. You're the best.
found a MSS in new condition for 200, if it's actually complete and in good condition as the seller says it seems a very good deal for a poorfag, since for that money you get a summer bag, winter bag, uber winter bag if combined, bivy.otherwise I'd be buying a carinthia defence 4 and then a us milsrup bivy but it'd cost me more and I'd have a less complete kitupdate I asked and there's no bivy just the 2 bagsopinions?
>>56862968Haven’t really worn Salomon’s past trying them on. Will try the quest at some point. Can vouch for the others though. The goretex Moab’s get pretty stuffy and hot imo. Still nice to have but wear thin wool socks with them. I prefer the breathable mid Moab’s w/ thicker socks in the winter. They break in to a much nicer feel imo.The Altama OTB’s are surprisingly comfortable to walk around in despite having such a flat, low pro sole. The heel his kinda raked out in the back to keep heelstrike the same.Only con is it’s has a very grippy sole similar to Chaco sandals, so it’s not something you can just jam your foot into. That being said, goes great with thick wool socks.
>>56868378100 per bag seems awfully spendy for surp. I'd personally rather get the bivi + the light bag for that price.The temps in my local area usually let me get away with a bivi and a fleece liner, but I do add a -5° bag when it gets somewhere south of 15°
>>56868413>based OTB enjoyer.they just work mane
>>56860572Why avoid ar500? Because it's actually affordable and works?
How easy is it to make my own holster with a slab of kydex?
>>56868413Never noticed the gore-tex MOABS getting too stuffy, but most of my boots are gore-tex so maybe they're all in the same boat. I tend to wear pretty thick wool when I'm hiking with the dog which is where a majority of the mileage comes from beyond weekend hikes and camping. Always found the MOABS fit me feet extremely well though. Agreed on your Altama points, that heel is like superglue trying to get into the damn shoe. They've been real comfy though for just around town, dog walk and occasional work wear.
>>56868606because it's only level III, it's not nij certified (clearly not a real dealbreaker given some of the other plates on the list), it is heavy for what it offers, spalling is a real issue, and once you pay the upcharge for curvature it's not even that cheap.
>>56868683>not nij certifiedBut it is>spelling is a real issueIt's coated to prevent spelling, look at any test done on them
>>56868606I'm going to assume you're not joking or trolling.AR500's most popular steel plates weigh nearly 10 pounds -- this is more than even the cheapest ceramic Level IV. Those same steel plates:- Will not reliably stop M193 from a >16" barrel, which is the most common rifle threat in America. Also will not stop any AP threats. Lastly, will not reliably stop .270 Winchester, .300 WM, or other fast-moving hunting calibers. Even the most mediocre Level IV plate will stop all of that.- Can send bullet fragments flying into your armpits, neck, groin, or jaw. This is almost guaranteed if the shot hits not far from the plate edge. - Are frequently sold without a spall coating, which makes them downright dangerous.- Aren't much cheaper than budget ceramic plates. It's $179 for a 10x12" 'A1' plate with the 'build-up' coating. You can get a 10x12" ceramic plate from Blackbeard that will perform much better, at half the fucking weight, and is also multi-curved, for only a few bucks more.So they're heavy as fuck, they offer shitty protection, they don't catch bullet fragments, and they're really not that cheap. Wearing AR500 is literally worse than wearing no armor at all, and buying AR500 is retarded.
>>56868690>>not nij certified>But it isnot the steel plates, which are the only ones people actually care about, because the rest aren't even that cheap>>spelling is a real issue>It's coated to prevent spelling, look at any test done on themnot by default, they charge you 50 bucks for it. people will telly you you can spray it down with truck bed liner and maybe that works well but it's pretty retarded that you have to
>>56868760i bought em to run with and to eventually use as targets. gonna be fun to see what happens to it
>>56868760The coating doesn't even fucking work. A lot of random youtube testers, including InRange, have tested coated steel plates and the results were shit.
>>56868228are the sas plates good? I've never heard of them till now
>>56868778this is one of the more valid use cases, but if you don't care about using them as targets you can get cast iron plates from rogue fitness that fit in a plate carrier
>>56868807In the last thread >>56811595 there was a lot of discussion as to what to do with steel plates. Turns out, you can use them to armor your car headrest. Looks cool.
>>56860579ESS goggles for $8.00. They are used so condition may vary. I like to wear these because I hate the way glass dig into my head. https://www.keepshooting.com/ess-profile-nvg-ballistic-goggles.html
>>56868806SAS are legit. Their plates are usually weird and niche, but they work as advertised. The new alumina Flex Plate seems like a good deal, and compares very well with the Hesco 4400/4401. It also BTFO the shitty RMA 1155.
>>56868846>used so condition may varyOr new: >>56864249
>>56868824gonna build a "technical" for fun so yeah that might be a fun idea actually.
>>56868512I'll just buy the defence 4 and the bivy surp separately want to buy new boots, I have some but they're my old boots I've had for a long time, was thinking if 2, 1 for cold/wet weather (Salomon quest 4d gtx) and 1 for hotter weather and chill stuff (merrel moab), is it a good choice?
want to buy a g shock, dont want too many bullshit functions but if there's some actually good ones it's ok, like a compass
>>56868936You'll want it to vibrate for reasons.
>>56865291Do what you want but don’t do it around me
>>56868019It’s night-and-day. Never single curve if you can avoid it>>56868413>>56868545They tended to pinch my tootsies so I just wear my own shoes now >>568689365600 series
>>56869283Don't tie the toebox so tight and try them out. That's one of the things I love about them; they fit great if you tie them right. But maybe my feet are a more natural fit for shoes that thin.
>>56869353I have quite wide feet
>>56869283>my own shoesWtf are these green ones?
day 437 on rc2 waitstill no r seriesstill no crye g3swhat is there to live for?
>>56868378I wouldn't spend that money on MSS these days. IMSS is a better buy, better materials, less weight, newer production. Often times people are selling them cheaper than MSS. Yes I know UCP for the bivvy sucks but it's a legitimate upgrade materials wise.
>>56869463Those were the OTBs I had. Now I’ve just gone back to using vans or chucks when I would have used the Altamas
>>56869237What pack?
>>56870040That's a Mystery Ranch
>>56870040MR 3day assaultIt’s overbuilt for what it is but I like abusing it in the field
decided to do a leather chest rig to keep a western style. What do you guys think?
>>56860572>not mentioning hoplitebig yikes my guy>>56868731why does that hole in there in the mouth?>>56870247patroling the mojave/10
>>56869283I GOT SOMETHIN TO SAY
>>56870247It is achingly cool looking but I feel like you’d get more practice mileage out of something like the old nazi mp40 or stg rigs
>>56870247>there are fags who dress like this
>>56870273Hollywood Babylon
is bbg here?is he this guy that died in ukraine? for some reason his face resembles the bits of bbg's face from photos he's posted
>>56870311Rumors of my death have been grossly exaggerated
Is there a Comtac VI that has no boom mic or comms wires? Like just plain earpro? What’s the SKU?
>>56870311>>56870377Let me use the trip for this one. I’m not dead
>>56870410based
>>56860579>>56862968>>56868090Moabs are definitely gtg. I've had the 2's for a while and just tried on the 3s. They were noticeably lighter to me. I want to try Lowa Zephyrs next, heard good things
>>56860579Salomon X3 aero are comfy for hot and wet
>>56869879>OTBs I hadThey were uncomfortable and fell apart unless used as deck shoes?
How do I tacticool picrel?
>>56862968what holster is that for the HK? I need to get one
>>56870259> why does that hole in there in the mouth?It's a CPR dummy.>>56870259Where would you slot Hoplite in? 26226 on the poorfag side, I guess? https://www.hoplitearmor.com/collections/swimmer-plates-level-iv/products/two-swimmer-plates-single-curve-level-iv-stand-alone?variant=31123297435717But it seems hard to recommend over the 4400 or SAS Flex plate?
>>56872478It's a Safariland, one of their "frictionless" 7TS line. Kind of goofy shaped exterior but a phenomenal holster by all means.
Would anyone know of a holster that would fit my FNX in this configuration? I've asked around the Chatilly Gunshow a few times and no one has known of any.
>>56874276how's the fnx tactical?
>>56874517I enjoy it. I bought it specifically for HD, which i know is a big debate, but i think a suppressed .45 with a flashlight and red dot is solid.
>>56868664what model casio?
>>56874969Herschel Supply Co. G-LIDE collaboration. Not sure you can get them anymore.
>>56875609whats that
>>56876043G. I. Gen 6 Nanophotonic Refraction Stealth Operator Suit
>>56860553No one gonna call out those Z-tac Sordins?
>>56876164what about em
>>56876693the state of /gq/ 2023
>>56876712chinkshit is in now bro, get used to it
What’s a solid medium weight plate carrier? I’m looking for something similar to the semapo ncpc or a crye cpc, essentially something that’s made to be worn for extended periods of time with a shit ton of gear on itArsarna titan was what I was thinking until they decided to up their prices
>>56860572Thanks anon, saved
>>568768536094 G3. Esstac Daeodon.
>>56868606Because 5.56 will sail through it, and this is the most popular round in America
>>56876853AVS hands down the ticket for it>>56876712The absolute
>>56876893Not what I’m looking for. Tactical tailor has the venting and seems to fit closer to spec, your recommendation seems to be a bit above the low weight plate carriers.I do appreciate your time though, thank you
What American made brands offer products in ATACs?
Does anyone have experience with the adventure tech goretex reversible jackets? Are they any good?
>>56878730They are okay, not worth the premium you will pay and are older gortex so they dont breathe as well as modern gortex.
>>56878807>not worth the premium you will pay$105 shipped?
>>56878898Nah
>>56878930What options would you recommend under that?
Rate my hodge podged set up. >Both chest pack and butt pack on belt are medical shit>Haven't decided which mag carrier I want on the belt. You can see other options off on the right side.>Gas mask has it's own bag that I haven't quite figured out how to carry>Both pistols are .380, smaller one would be in a pocket or something>MP5 is .22. just got it, need more mags and mods.>Under clothes gear is either a flight suit that I've got, or jeans and a hoodie.
>>56860556
>>56878951Hopefully a better quality pic
>>56874969thx
>>56860556>lists 2 Velocity PC's>but no Velsyst Scarab LTthis needs to be updatedalso slick carriers are for chodes
>>56878944Surplus ECWCS off ebay>>56878951>>56878968>4 bad guns vs 1 good gun>Whatever that """""helmet"""" is uptop>The never crawled over anything mag setup>Fabric holster>Dump pouch on cumberbund above pistol>The unused kneepadsI dont think you will do well
>>56878951>Excellent Elite Spanker mag pouchesTell me how the 5.56 pouches are. I bought a 3 mag elastic carrier for pistol mags because it was on for some absurdly low price like $7, and they're actually decent.
>>56879030>>The unused kneepadsworried he's not sucking enough dick?
>>56879030>Surplus ECWCS off ebayNot really seeing anything cheaper. Really small desert camo is a little less I guess. Fo you just mean better quality for a similar price?
>>56879051They work pretty well for my AK mags, I imagine they do good for AR mags as well.>>56879030>AK best gun. But whatever gun you're familiar with is best>Helmet is a Titanfall one for cosplay. Obviously I don't wear it for shooting>Where would suggest mags go? They're off to the side.>Pistol is on thigh, dump pouch doesn't get in the way>Kneepads are new
>>56879051Honestly, I've got a bunch of old crap from them for weight training and leftover from my airsoft days. The stuff they make is basic but the stitching and material is better than it has any right to be for the price. I've never broken a single piece of it, but I probably wouldn't bet my life on anything from them. It makes a good placeholder equipment while you save for the real stuff.
>>56874276>all these awesome tacticool pistols>and no one makes a fuckin holster to fit themI know your pain bruh, no one makes a proper holster that'll fit an M9A3 with a light. Tons of shit without a light, but who buys an M9A3/A4 and doesn't put a light on it?
>>56879106Worried he aint touching range with his gear.>>56879114I mean its going to be a much higher quality modern gortex, perhaps even FR if you buy the right generation compared to the older adventureline gortex. Ive got the reversible and its not bad but you can immediately tell its got that 90s crunchy gortex feel to it.>>56879126Yeah but what if your gun had a light, a mag that wasnt a shitty korean drum and even some sort of dot? Wouldnt that be a bit more practical than a subcompact 380 and a 22 mp5 rifle?>Where would mags goYou shouldnt go big ass GP pouch on chest and mags ontop of that, you will hate climbing over walls or doing any sort of IMT as you end up with all that shit in your way>Doesnt get in the wayYeah man a pistol on the thigh isnt fun at all over any sort of distance.
>>56879217>Ive got the reversible and its not badDo you have the DNC one? I'm curious because I've heard only the 3 color side is actually water "proof"Okay, I'll look into the gen3 stuff.
>>56879254Yep, parka and pants. Ive only ever used the 3color side for actual rain but the materials feel identical
Some please recommend a good loadout for a bolt gun, I don't want anything involving armor, ideally something I could wear under a ghillie/poncho comfortably. Needs to hold M14 mags, sustainment for a few days, including cold weather. Am I just going to have to buy a SMERSH or what?
>>56879329>bolt gun>hold m14 magsWhats your plan here? Are you trying to use like a ruger scout?>Wear under a ghillieI mean a full ghillie is going to preclude you from wearing most kit
>>56879496It is a Ruger Scout, actually. I'm looking for something that is low enough profile I can shoot prone, move quick, and will keep my upper body from getting too bulky with pouches so I can build up with natural camo. I want to be prepared for when the Chinese invade.
>>56879525So it sounds like you want web gear rather than a chest rig. Do you have a budget and color preference?
>>56879217The drum is for fun, I know it's not practical. Mags are on the belt (left hip) and 1 on the left PC. Obviously I don't carry the MP5, just the AK and pistols.
>>56879593Yeah but what if you carried the MP5 and one of the pistols to your gunshop and carried home a flashlight and even a holosun red dot?
>>56879575Color preference would be OD green or Ranger Green since it's mostly fir/spruce/pine.I'd be comfortable spending a few hundred dollars, maybe $300-$350 if it really works well. I looked at some "jungle rigs" like the one Velocity Systems makes but they want like $600 for it...not sure it's worth that much. Ideally it keeps the stuff tight to my body for running, I've tried carrying tons of stuff on a belt before and it tends to "slosh" around at full gallop, which is why I was thinking a chest rig, even a split one, might be the ticket. There's so much stuff out there I figured I'd ask in case there's something I'm not aware of too, /gq/ has all the hookups.
>>56879618If you intend to be crawling and vegging up you will not want a chest rig. A split rig like a 34a would be as close to a chestrig as I would get. My assembled webkit is basically>Velocity operator belt + Crye suspenders>Multitool in flapped 1911 pouch>Crye smart pouch 2x M4/1x 7.62>Random tall GP pouch for radio and MANET>Fireforce Buttpack with a TT bottle pouch on either side>Spiritus small 6x6 GP for generals>Spiritus mutant pouch for 6x m4/5x 762 with flapped TQ pouch on frontWhole thing was pretty affordable and well within your budget.Med lives in fanny sack I hoop as neededButtpack is roughly 30L and will hold some food, basha, layers, drone and a 1L water bladder. Overall Ive done an overnight with just the belt kit and its not comfortable unless you are blessed with low water needs and solid weather. For more sustained time I will pair it with a short squat bergen I can ruck shelf off of the buttpack and carry a proper multiday worth of water, food and sustainment.
>>56879699Ah I forgot>Random riggers belt threaded through the OrbRelax the riggers belt when walking downhill, static or workingCinch the riggers belt when walking uphill, running or approaching target
>>56879699>>56879725Thanks I figured I might have to put something together from various bits and pieces, I doubt what I want exists 100% in some pre-made form. We just can't let those commies win.
>>56880135Basically>Velocity operator belt + Crye suspendersis a nice cheap way to start and just sprinkle on pouches as needbe
>>56879126>>Where would suggest mags go? They're off to the side.look at every other setup with a plate carrier and tell us if this makes sense.
>Tl;Dr: GoreTex is expensive for a reason https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtCdQfbLw7o
>>56880233Every pic I see shows them on the front of the PC or off to the side like I have.
>>56880411get rid of whatever web gear abomination that is. Get a placard for the PC. Get a belt. Get a real holster or don't run the pistol. Put the dump pouch on the belt. Put 1-2 rifle mags on the belt.
>>56880233Having everything on your belt and nothing on your carrier is a comfy setup. You should try it before you knock it. Really nice being able to move your arms without having bullshit in your armpits or across your chest. Probably get annoying if you were doing cqb larp but in open country its great.
>>56879699What are your thoughts on the nixieworks LFR?
>>56868306Sorry, they made me work today.
>>56874276>>56879142>still buying the holster to fit the pistol>not buying the pistol to fit the holster2023 guys, lrn.
>>56869283What hood is that? It has builg in mag pouches or is that just a kangaroo pouch
>>56880233>>56880477>>56880568Pic of shit on me. Think I'll downsize on the 3 mag pack on the belt on left hip, but otherwise everything is comfy. I can see the bag upfront being annoying, but any other suggestions on how to utilize available space.
>>56881575How will you go prone with such a bulky bag up front? Are you concerned with the pouch on your cummerbund interfering with your pistol draw? Are you carrying any mags on your plate carrier?
>>56881728I just added the bag on the belly, idk how I feel about it. I've got a spot for 1 mag on the PC. I'm open to suggestions. Dump pouch doesn't interfere with pistol draw for me.
>>56881575Holy shit it's a 2004 GWOT contractor returned to haunt my dreams
>>56882280>04 contractorNah, no chest mounted M9
>>56882280Id of thought this was the hottest shit when I was teenager
Behold my immense nigga rigga autism
>>56881575Now try running 500 meters in that and see how efficient you are.If you really want a pouch on the front get one of those danglers that sits below the carrier. Front of your PC should be for magazines, you need those readily available more than any other part of your kit. This loadout is kinda funky, it's like you went heavy on some stuff and really light on other stuff. Where's your hydration? You're going to need at least 2-3L bladder hauling all that shit.
>>56882993There's a Carlisle pouch, a compass pouch, a saw pouch, a buttpack, 2 Alice mag pouches, and a med pouch + the standard vest pouches, the canteen, a woobie,and the nbc bag (carrying a sleeping pad and another woobie)
>>56882993where2cop a decent canteen that isn't made of lung rotting chinesium pot metal?
>>56883053Dunno Mang I got mine from a buddy, I'm not a gear queer I'm a nigga rigga who mixes and matches everything I have till it works nice (also I DO shoot and I DO hunt critters so my stuff DOES get used and adapted)
>>56883080>anon drinking water from his buddy's field cummies canteenBased.
>>56883052Oh also a buttpouch, all in all it gives me plenty of mags, change of clothes (thermals), comfy snoozing, rudimentary tools, enough food, enough water
Good boots for the pnw? Cities and mountains. Waterproof is a priority but I don't need much insulation for most of the year.
>>56883041I've run a mile in a similar set up with mags on the chest. Not the most comfortable, but running with an extra 30lbs never is. I thought having shit on the front makes it hard to crawl/climb? So which is it? Please go into more detail about what I'm heavy and what I'm heavy and light on? Hydration is in a back pack, hence having an open back on the PC.
>>56883390pistol thigh rigs are for POG officers who stand around, running with that thing will have it flopping all over the place and throw your cadence offthat giant GP pouch on the front is too much, imagine you have to go prone - how will you even do it? chinks will be blowing your head off with ease when you're propped up like that.those mag pouches are YUUUUGE and probably weigh 20lbs when they're actually loaded with rounds, that makes your belt very lopsided assuming you're right handed, how does that spare mag pouch under your left armpit help? how will you get a mag out of that with your left hand while holding a rifle in your right? can you do that quickly?again this seems kind of random, you've got lots of stuff but it doesn't work togetherare you breaching a crackhouse? is this for a long patrol/3 day recce? short trip/few hours somewhere?
>>56883470I don't have an issue with the thigh holster, honestly I don't notice it. Idk how I feel about the med pouch in the front, just figured it was quick and easy to get to vs the one on the rear of my belt. I agree about the mag pouches on the hip. Though they only hold 3 mags really (maybe 6 if I had an AR), I think I'd go for the smaller 3 set or 2 set in my full load out pic >>56878968. The one under my left arm is easy to get with either arm- I do all my mag changes with my left hand while holding rifle with right.Just making a general kit. I feel comfortable walking long distances in it, it's comfortable for standing, and I can easily sprint in it. I'd say it's for a SHTF situation and long term scavenging
>>56883546Move dump pouch to back left between your mags and rear med kit. Place mag pouches on chest and leave one easily accessible mag on your hip. Move GP pouch on chest to left cummerbund. Always have a spot for water on your immediate kit.
>>56882993I think the worst thing anyone could say would be that its a lot of snag hazards>>56883240You want leather or synthetic?But im digging my Scarpa Terra GTXs>>56883546>General setupGet some lower profile mag pouches than those massive flappy things, they arent expensive you can go on ebay and get two coyote eagle pouches for $15 shipped to your door man. Just having a smaller pouch will make placing them on your chest so much nicer. Get rid of the big ass zip pocket on your chest its a bad way to hold ammo and the front of your carrier is for holding ammo.>I don't have an issue with the thigh holster, honestly I don't notice it.Drop legs are either jiggling uncontrollably or TQ tier tight, the more jiggling you have the greater the inertia you have to accelerate/decelerate. Combine that with it being on your leg, you know the part of your body you use to move around and its just not great unless you have a serious need to drop it under an armor carrier setup and still have a pistol. Choke the pistol as high as possible with the drop leg and dress your dick down your left leg to make it work as best as you can. Overall>Dump pouch goes on left side or you will suffer when reindexing/pulling shit out of there>Place ifak somewhere more centralized, go put on all this shit and lay on the ground. Try to access your shit while youre laying on your back>Center your belt on your body, by twisting it off to one side you are just asking for twisted straps that will slide on you as they try to center back up>Police all those straps>Clear the radio pouch(?) above your left hip so your fast reload from that taco is clear.
>>56883546>>56883910Also forgot>Splurge for a $30 taco pouch for your left hip, you are likely going to use the mag in the gun and maybe a reload off the belt, so having a good clean draw from that reload is key
>start making my own gear to save money>make pouches, mag insert, etc>start to want things no one makes>decide to make them>have to buy more materials>losing money
>>56883910>leather or syntheticEither one as long as it's good quality. I'll look into the scarpas.
Looking for decent overwhites. Who makes the best bang/buck ones. Pattern isn’t important.
>>56884215So just like reloading.
>>56884215>start selling those on ebay>buy more materials and resell the excess to pay for my hobbie>get a contract with a small police department wanting to larp as military>have to hire people and rent a warehouse to manufacture>hit the jackpot and get a contract with the DoD>start bribing politicians with election money>Cry all the time about needing more contracts to protect american jobs>end up manipulating the US to start a war in Peru to secure rare supply of a specific type of leather and wool.>Feels good to be American
>>56883053Nalgene. USGI form factor.
>>56884353>marry native american>put business in her name>keep her drunk 24/7>minority owned business preference >profit
>>56884342Yeah pretty much, except I actually do this at least lolI should sell my reloading setup desu. I don't think I'll ever actually spend the time to reload.>>56884353Unironically this is (kinda) the plan. I was thinking about setting up a shop on ebay or some shit because I have some ideas that I think could be fairly popular and sell pretty well if I refine them and continue to improve my sewing.
>>56874517The grip is hot dogshit, feels like an uber stiff stubby dog toy, ive only seen one person smart enough and skilled enough to stipple it to make it better.
>>56883390Youre a fucking idiot and youre a fucking mess, a goddamned soup sandwich get your shit together idiot. Do you really not see a difference between having a thin triple mag shingle on the front of your pc vs a fucking stupidly over the top santa claus sack sized shouldnt even be called a pouch fucking thing, that fat sloppy shit is gonna bounce around as you move and especially run. You're misusing a ton of space and have made terrible decisions. Which is fine fuck it you do you but dont expect people to lie to you amd tell you it looks good. You have no kdea what you are doing it looks like youe credit card got raped at a condor store. you will receive criticism and advise because your shit is so fucked.
>>56885485Single stack tops are kinda gay doe. Double stack allow you to have a little table in front of you to hold your weapon and eat your snacks.
>>56885508Post a webm of you reindexing a mag into that bullshit double flap on an admin reload. Kydex open top pouches are the future otherwise you wouldn't have them on your belt
found a FROG marpat desert combat shirt size for 48 euros shipped is it good?also found a frog inclement weather for 50 shipped
>>56885603size M both
>>56885602It's extremely easy, you just use yer little thumb there, anon. Flip mag upside down, with thumb drag it against the flap, slide it back in and boom, done. Just 1 finger. Alternatively if you're looking for something you can slide the flap flat towards the molle and leave them exposed. I've done it for years.I usually keep the belt empty, if I even use it. I'm probably gonna move towards just PC.
>>56885660you can always put it in a dump pouch and do it later when you have time
>>56885667That too, but tossing a mag with still some juice alongside empty ones is poor form, anon.
>>56884274Tyvek suit from Home Depot, $20.
>>56879142If you can find one, the Safariland Ranger contract holsters sorta fit an M9A3, mine puts the slide slights OOB if you push it all the way in, but idk if mine is indicative of the whole given that it’s all surplus or stolen.
>>56886155Cont.
>>56886155Another pic, didn’t upload the second for some reason
>>56886184God I have the 92 pattern so much it's unreal.
>>56886192Oh whoops*hate. My blind hatred temporarily blinded me.
>>56886184I was aware of some surplus stuff on eBay but I'm always hesitant to buy something like that without inspecting it in person first. Honestly it's pissing me off, the M9A3 has been out for +5 years and tons of people use them, for Safariland to not make a light compatible one is a joke. I think I'm going to e-mail them and ask if they can just fucking make one or at least tell me which current offerings WOULD work, because I've heard people say with slightly mods you can get a bunch of the M9/92 holsters to fit it. I think it's the change in trigger guard and raised sights that kind of fuck it up for most options.
>>56886192Why are you like this? You one of them guys that can’t appreciate a firearm with sovl?
>>56886282Because I used it long enough to realize how gay they are. I know I'm going to sound quite negative but holy shit glock, at least make your front serrations not look like shit.
>>56886367that looks like the gun from my vidya!
>>56886367why are the 92s shit?
found a FROG marpat desert combat shirt (48 eur) and one inclement weather shirt (50) size M shipped is it good?
>>56885485>Someone woke up on the wrong side of the foxhole they dug in their step dad's backyard
>>56886470they aren't though
>>56879030Do well in what? The fashion show or the pride parade you're going to?
>>56886530It works better if you imagine him spitting into a water bottle he found in the HMMWV.
>>56881575wow. that's bad.
>>56868606>imagine defending something you dont even own lmaoing @ ur life
>>56881575The entire carrier setup looks bad. You need to fix that shit ASAP.
>>56869879>sawyer water bag ditch that piece of shit and get pic related or similar instead >grey straw just throw it out>syringe for backflushing the smarter option would be to use a sawyer squeeze instead, and get another water bag like pic rel or an extra smart water bottle. It filters faster than the mini, and since the squeeze is threaded on both sides all you have to do to back flush is squeeze a little back out of your clean container rather than fucking with the syringe which does not have a secondary purpose
>>56884215Post it and maybe I might buy some to help you out
>>56879329holy shit kid, if you're going to be this underaged you gotta put a little more effort into your posts
>>56881575What am I even looking at here? There’s so much weird in this photo I don’t really know where I should begin. First and foremost floppy gear makes everything miserable. It feels kinda cool in the moment and certainly has an aesthetic appeal, but try wearing it half a day even on flat walking trails and you’ll regret it immensely. Get that shit tied down tight.Those mag pouches look like triples to my eyes, 9 30-round mags on one side is roughly ten pounds of ammo flopping around. The weight distribution on that belt is going to get really chafing really fast, and the pistol on the other side is not a counterbalance, (no spare pistol mags?)That pistol looks too far back on your thigh, it’s almost certainly a snag hazard when mantling low objectsLike another anon said; where’s the waterLastly that belt looks like it’s sitting way too high and the pistol way too low
If I have the chance to get a good multicam belt for cheap but all my gear is ranger green would it be ugly to put RG stuff over it?
>>56891118Fuck no, mixed kit is soul.
>>56891118Also, if you have enough money for matching kit you’re either a fed or you aren’t shooting enough.
>>56884215Based raw materials cactus enjoyer
>>56884389Literally just identify as a woman or give one a fraction of some shares
>>56885485>looks like youe credit card got raped at a condor storeOne of the most accurate and most cutting tongue lashings I've seen administered here
>>56881489All skill no luck California combat hoodie, good luck finding one, I have two
>>56891360This is like, some kind of anti-grayman larp thing. It simultaneously says “I want you to think I smoke weed and vote pro-choice” while also screaming “I am concealed carrying an 8” Sig Rattler”
>>56870247>a settlement is under attack!
>>56860572Thank you for the update flowchart, I am flattered you took my wierd BlackBeard rec and added it. Heres hoping they arent actually shit, but I just dont see it happening. Should give the poorfags more options besides "heavy but good IV"That Hexar Alumina IV is pretty damn tanky, they have a picture of one that took 8 hits of 30-06 AP. Pretty robust for any price point, definitely a well-implemented tile array.
>>56891224Intentionally mixed = soulless.Mixed due to accumulating hand-me-downs from different eras and geographies = sovl
>>56891425I just think they're neat
>>56890907Thank you for your input - but the bag and the mini are backups to backups to backups. I have a gravity bag, an inline and a squeeze with hydrapak bag for just stuff but the mini can live in the e&e Fanny pack
>>56881575Big pouches under your arms get really annoying after a while. Maybe it doesn't bother you but I would wear it for a couple hours to see what you want to change
>>56892186They are, but in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way.
>>56891425I unironically want to do that
>>56882311The super bulky nylon pistol holster at knee level makes up for the lack of a chest mounted SERPA holster
>>56882374We all started somewhere. Especially back in the day before anyone knew what was useful or practical
Who makes military/tactical snow goggles? I've heard smith does but I can't find their military line
>>56881575dear God. You can at least use the PC and the belt as a base for these changes, so you're not actually out that much money.>but it's comfyI'm sure you're fine standing around in it, but this setup will give you problems.>remove big fuckoff pouch from front of carrier>get 3x mag placard on front carrier>remove pouch under right arm>put pistol holster on belt or get rid of it>get hydration bladder for carrier.>>56884215it do be that way, but you're still saving the labor costs if you had someone else make them for you.
>>56860556>BulletSafe Tactical Plate Carrier Vest with NIJ Certified Level IV Body Armor PlatesSo Sportsmans Guide has this plate carrier and plates combo for $400. Plates weigh 7.5lbs a pop. I've heard BulletSafe has a bad reputation in the past, but can't seem to find anything regarding this carrier/plate setup. Anybody know anything about it?
>>56860572Why do you hate RMA? I watched Buffman’s video where he shot 1155 multi curve ones and they performed respectably, and had edge to edge ceramic, which I have seen claimed here isn’t the case. They also do have NIJ certification, at least the single curved ones.
>>56893907See picrel. Also, it needs to be updated. For one thing, RMA recently sent Buffman a "special" 1192 that's way thicker and heavier than advertised.
>>56893479Where’s the chart for 308 mags?
>>56893885I know I'm answering my own question, but why are poor people so stupid?
>>56894197Really man? Think a little, the majority of those companies make .308 versions.
>>56860565Should I even buy a battle belt if I’m moving and should be saving up?
>>56894280Buy webbing anon. Battle belts are for use with plate carriers. If you’re actually going to do some goon shit, you should probably be using a better setup for LBE than a PC.
>>56894301I though gooning meant jerking off and a quick detachable belt would be easier to haul around hog hunting than a huge LBE
>>56894324that's GOONING OUT with your homiesgoon shit is espionage/raid/destroy missions they're not mutually exclusive but only one warrants a plate carrier
>>56894324https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coAIyRGYSTE
>>56894301NTA, but who are considered good webbing kit producers, jayjays?
>>56894176>literally cutting the corners off of body armor this is fucking comically evil
>>56894280yes
>>56894280>moving and should be saving up?What is the holdup?
>>56891360Thanks checkdd em out and they are cool but a bit to puffy
>>56894748>padded non minimalist design>UCPI’m not that desperate
>>56883080Oh yeah you hunt with all that shit on you?
Does anyone make a level 7 jacket in multicam arid or something similar? Something for arid climates but not coyote
>>56894249fuck ya mudda
>>56896057yes
>>56896121Okay what is it called and who makes it
>>56879007>slick carriers are for chodesWhat about LBEbros
>>56881163Bump I'd like to know what you think A2
Any good masks
>>56891073Paint your fucking rifle cuck
>>56863000That bottle is fucking embarrassing dood
>>56881575You look like a rotten bag of ass. Train in your shit dude
>>56896785Yeah he has such shit taste in waifus.
>>56896764Hey I'm building my own retro middy, what carry handle mount is that? Can't find any Leupold ones in stock and I like the look of those thinner ones anyway, just got no idea what brand they are.
>>56891280>if you have $200 you are a fednigga kill yourself
>>56897550If you aren’t going to use the hard R you don’t belong here NIGGER.
>>56897602I talk like a black person ironically because it's funny to me because i'm secure in my racism. I don't need to be extra racist just to other racists know im racist.
>>56881163Just looking at their product photos of it I have a question- why is the pack part of it so high? It looks like it'd be impossible to use with a backpack to me, or at least anything larger than a daypack and even that looks like it'd be tight. Is most web gear like this?
>>56897813the entire point of the LFR is to not use a backpack.
>>56897887How many days do they intend you to be able to sustain yourself off of it? I don't really think a ruck can be fully replaced by webbing like that but perhaps I'm wrong.
>>56898070To add to this, my rucksack doesn't only include my sleep gear- it includes extra clothes, food, ammo, tools, etc. I don't see how a 15.5l lumbar pack can replace an 80l pack. If it's only intended to replace a daypack, sure that can make sense, but I don't see how this can integrate in a sensible way into any system that requires you to be able to sustain yourself for any even remotely extended period of time.
>>56898117And finally to hold my idiot self accountable, their website actually does say it's meant for 1-3 days which checks out for me.
>>56894555The trips have it. RMA have been called "the chaotic evil body armor company," and that's a pretty solid description.
>>56899848>RMA have been called "the chaotic evil body armor company,"That doesn't even come close to the acronym "RMA" and doesn't rhyme either.
I just ordered a g-code duty RTI hanger and their OSH holster for my 1911 for my AWS LAB belt. I wanted a drop holster since I live in the north and coats will interfere with normal belt height holsters, and I didn't want their optimal drop option since I don't want to deal with a leg strap.1911 isn't the permenant gun here but the RTI mount is nice because I can easily hot swap holsters depending on what I'm doing that day.
>>56894555They are not though, that us lapg and botach plates that do that. Did you not even see the actual buffman reviews?
>>56899848He didnt even use that word either, he said comical and hes wrong and youre an idiot and this is how fuddlore is started holy shit go fuck yourselves you ignorant fucking simpletons, fucking stupid easily fooled gullible fucks you are modern day fuddlore spreaders. Do literally 5 minutes of research.
>>56899973Is the buffman review all you idiots can talk about? What part of RMA sent them a special version do you not understand? Like I'm legitimately curious if you aren't a fucking unpaid intern at RMA forced to spend all day shilling their shit.
>>56897602clean your room
>>56900059>Like I'm legitimately curious if you aren't a fucking unpaid intern at RMAIts crazy how many RMA shills are open about the fact that they’re paid shills. Check out r/tacticalgear and every time any question of plates comes up a user will chime in with “I sell RMA on my site and heres why you should buy them”
>>56900402>Check out r/tacticalgearNo, I don't think I will.
>>56881575Which 2008-2012 game is this loadout based on?
>>56900005Are you familiar with the 1189 and 1199? Those plates started the cheat ring trend years ago. The cheat rings were also totally undisclosed, and when RMA got called out, they tried to cover it up.And, back then, the founder of RMA literally went to the media and said:> "I always tell people I didn't invent armor any more than Steve Jobs invented the computer," Waldrop said in January. "I just found a better way to do it, just like he did."lmaooooooo. By cutting corners!
is 48 included shipping good for this?ill dye It brownI have an assault pack and a huge ruck (ILBE) but I miss an intermediate one for medium lenght rucks
>>56901001Be sure it has the frame at that price. If so yes that's a good deal
>>56901400yes it's complete, in the end its 55 but wtv
>>56881575Really wish you had asked for advice or bought your stuff one piece at a time, measuring and thinking twice. A lot of people that don't own guns are going to give you negative opinions. My thought is and always has been, something is better than nothing. Should have just bought condor or Elite Tactical Spanker. Chinese stuff isn't great, but since they copy what the pros are doing, you get pro like budget gear at low prices. Problem with your set up, is that everything is bags attached via molle, so they will bounce and have a lot of floppyness to it.
>>56901001I also found a complete frog desert marpat pants and shirt for 110, it's a bit pricey imo
>>569009311199 never really needed to use the cheatring, boron carbide tile array should be light enough as is. The "gen 2" that wasnt scumfuck tier and went edge-to-edge was still like 5lbs, they just did it to be faggots. Their explanation on the 1189 was equally great "w-we got a govt contract for an intentionally kneecapped plate", yeah sure you did.
>>56901844>"w-we got a govt contract for an intentionally kneecapped plate"There's zero chance that any government agency demanded a plate with a huge 1" cheat ring. And I mean zero.
>>56900931>the founder of RMA literally went to the media and said:>> "I always tell people I didn't invent armor any more than Steve Jobs invented the computer," Waldrop said in January. "I just found a better way to do it, just like he did."This is so true, we all stand upon the shoulders of giants! What a time to be alive, Praise Jesus!
>>56902031> Cutting corners, and I mean SERIOUSLY cutting corners, like for real.> Mislabeling and substituting materials.> Changing plate construction details on the fly. (Picrel, two "1192" plates.) > Sending Youtubers "special" plates.Some definition of "better" he has there.
>>56895046literally only one thing in that pic is UCP
>>56894176If you check the NIJ page RMA has like 7 certified models now. Not discounting anything else. noting the results of my own inquest.
>>56895046>he thinks he's too good for dyed GWOT surp
THERMAREST SLEEPING PAD:>ridgerest>zlitewhich one?its for temperate and very cold weatherno air mats
>>56901001>>56901562>>56901577buy a gun you faggot wop
>>56902848How cold is very cold for you?Zfold way easier to move around but colderGet a ridgerest and trim it to fit youNot a huge air guy because the world never allows you to puff that stupid shit up and then free the area of sticks and break it down in the AM. That being said, innacold ill add an air inside my bivy. The Snugpak Basecamp ops is pretty tolerable for an air bag. Their self inflating midi mat is a better UX/more durable but is going to cost you in terms of bulk. Personally sub 20f the solid foam pads alone will run out of R value ime unless you do a shitload of ground prep.
>>56903051-10/15 C
>>56902475lol, no they don't. The first two are rebrands that are made by Slate Solutions.The "AR550" was an abortive effort at selling a rebranded steel plate.The 1189 is inactive and was massively cheat ringed. Today, the NIJ doesn't certify plates with that sort of build quality. Absolutely disgusting.So they have four certified plates. Three are shit-tier all-poly plates. One is the Vietnam-throwback 1155 fiberglass plate. It's shit, bro.
>>56903221You will need air imo, carrying two foam pads sucks butt. Look into the smallest lightest air to supplement your ridgerest you trim up.
>>56902376Thank you. But ABU and UPC are a similar color palette. I still favor ABU over the digital pattern.
>>56903354>need air imoAnd still an insulated air pad is indicated. These are a basecamp fuck palace foundation.
>>56903477I dont know what you are trying to say
>>56903546An air matress can suck the warmth out of you, insulated air matresses, less so. Good pads will come with an R value rating. The BA Q-core 25"x78"x4" when paired with zip together down Nemo retctangular bags can get even you laid.
I want a sewn non modular chest rig. Split front evenly so I can run it open if I want, who makes them?
>>56903051Wat ruck is that?
>>56904245Mayflower pusher>>56904172Id much rather attempt to heat an air mattress than the surface of the earth. Even more so if my "heating" is occurring through a bag/suit. All pads simply function to reduce the conduction in either direction. >25x78x4Can you buy a bigger pad? Lord>>56904264Platatac Spur
>>56904317>even comes in tigerstripe Segs.
>>56899882Retarded Mayonnaise Armor?
>>56904317>bigger padI did indicate basecamp fuck palace. Damn things are like 32oz.
I got invited to go on my first backpacking trip for sometime in May. I've only done car camping so I've never worried about weight until now. My big 3 plus 3L of water is at 23lbs right now. Am I right for thinking the first thing I should do to cut weight is replace my almost 3lbs pic related pad with something like >>56902848? Mine is the only sleeping pad I've used so I can't envision actually how much colder I might be with a thinner pad with lower r value
>>56904667>Heavier than an arctic matI hate the conventional hiker I hate the conventional hiker>>56904915Start by listing off what all you are carrying, weights would be nice but id wager insulation is your biggest hit if you arent shopping smart/layering.
>>56905006I guess I did my math wrong, I'm at 20.8 poundspack: 4.6lbstent: 4.6lbssleeping bag: 2.3lbssleeping pad: 2.7lbs3L of water: 6.6lbsI might be able to go down to 2L of water, I'm not sure what area we'll be going to or how many water sources there are so I was being cautious. I haven't weighed my other shit like clothes and food and such yet.
>>56905046Whats the rating and value on your pad and bag? How many people is that tent?Lots of people rolling up with a nice jacket only to sleep buckass naked and make up for the difference in insulation, you need to carry the jacket anyway so make use of it as insulation.You can likely drop tent weight by going with a tarp/basha setup if you are based.
>>56904245velocity systems recon patrol vest
>>56905081the pad's value is 4 I think, and my sleeping bag is a carinthia defence 1 which is rated to like 40 degrees? I was planning on bringing heavy weight base layers to sleep in figuring I could throw on my jacket and pants if I needed. Tent's a 2 person, it's the only tent I have and one of the guys in the group is lending me an atmos 65 pack. I'll probably get the lighter weight pad anyway but I guess I was curious how much of a difference I'll be in for
>>56894249I'll have you know I make over $4 million a month with my crypto and web businesses and I have 50 houses and I don't even remember when I buy them. Tell me what your town is and I'll buy it and take your mom out to dinner and flex my biceps the entire time.
Anyone know how shellback tubes on the 3.0 carrier compare to strandhogg?
>>56905237shellback does not use real, authentic first spear tubes, if that matters to you. Retarded nogun gearlets here will repost the webm of the knock off airsoft tubes breaking when shot with a bb gun, as if they expected them to be bullet proof against rifle rounds for some mental gymnastics reason. tl;dr why are you getting a shellback plate carrier
>>56905266Saw the banshee on sale for almost $100 less than the strandhogg. Wanted to know if worth the savings. I am in fact a gearlet. What do y’all do with shit you buy and don’t like? Just resell via eBay or something?
>>56905315why would you spend that much money and not get a better plate carrier for the same or less money?
>>56903450>>56902376Does dying it have any effect on IR resistance?I don’t want a bulky padded belt or LBE I want something minimalist
>>56897620Shut up nigger
>>56905339Because there is no way to know one is better than the other from reading opinions on a Micronesian palm frond weaving forum.
>>56905497>i'd rather pay double-triple for something not as good because i dont like readingsuit yourself
>>56905516I also never said I had purchased it. Literally asking for experience based knowledge. Continue speeding tho
>>56905544Shellback makes exactly zero products worth more money than a First Spear product.
Is Ars Arma good?
is LBE + chest rig based or cringe?
>>56905596>>56905339>>56905315>>56905266i bought a first spear strandhogg for 180 btw
>>56905857but you're a literal underage faggot italian who has no guns and lives with his mom
>>56894176But the 1155’s don’t seem to have some of those issues that are listed. They have end to end ceramic with only a small layer of foam around the edges, not a cheat ring as described. And the NIJ certifications are something that plates which have otherwise been suggested do not have in some instances.As I said, Buffman did a review of the 1155’s and they seemed to perform as advertised and as expected.
rma shill niggers out in full force kek
>>56906110and you're a faggot bothered so much by me that you feel compelled to sperg out over nothing and publicly embarrass yourself >student lives with his parents shock>no gunfor someone so obsessed I'd expect you to know the reason why
>>56906320>sperg out over nothing and publicly embarrass yourselfyou're under 18, balding, and your mom washes your clothes for you. you embarrass yourself every time you post sad little kid playing wannabe soldier
>>56902376Alright ACU then autist.
>>56907463>>56907463>>56907463NEW
>>56906191It does, though. The plate is mislabeled. They say "ceramic + polyethylene." In reality, it's "ceramic + fiberglass." They're lying about it.Also, 8.5 pounds for a basic bitch Level IV plate is disgusting and sub-Chinesium tier. The 1155 is made with pre-Vietnam-era tech and I'm absolutely serious about this.
>>56905006>I hate the conventional hiker>he says resting upon his SeatoSummit inflatable pillowCome on man.
>>56905371>I don’t want a bulky padded beltDon't get the Boker belt it is heavily padded and comfy.
>>56907126ABU fuck face. If you're going to be a hyper critical faggot, get it right.
