RBS 70 (Robotsystem 70) is a man-portable air-defense system (MANPADS) designed for anti-aircraft warfare in all climate zones.Made in Sweden. Let that sink in.Major Advantages:> Range up to fucking nine kilometers. Beating Stinger easily.> Unlike the American Stinger system the RBS-70 cant be fooled with flares, Stinger can.> Guidance system: Laser beam riding missile, therefore no fooling the missile with a flareThat is a game-changer. Like the German RCH155 which can now fire while on the move which the American M109 can not do.> USbros I dont feel so good, Europe wins again? Why are they just better at engineering? Context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuAiZf324fE
>>56160017> Unlike the American Stinger system the RBS-70 cant be fooled with flares, Stinger can.This a Sprey tier cope. RBS is 1970s tech, deal with it. Thermals doesn't solve that is a 2nd gen guided missile. 3 gens behind but with thermals and comms.
>>56160052it has been upgraded of course, also the Stinger is also an old system. Doesn't mean anything.Fact is: Stinger can be confused with flares
>>56160017>That is a game-changerIt's capability is just an older heavier martlet, which has been in Ukraine for months
>>56160064>Stinger is also an old system.Current Stingers have the same sensor as the AIM-9X. You're just strawmanning the current Stinger with redeye/stinger A from the 80s. The cope is strong in this one.
>>56160080> incoherent mutt babblingEU win confirmed.
>>56160084> oldRBS-70 latest iteration is from 2011. > Martletgtfo
>>56160088They don't Stingers were never upgraded for imaging seekers, still have rosette pseudoimagers like AIM-9M/P
>>56160097>RBS-70 latest iteration is from 2011.Martlet is brand new, 2022 entry into service in the UK.
People whine about their shitty AR threads being buried by this war, but the real casualty is no more MANPADS threads with actual discussion
>>56160205Oh I see where this is going. Let me be more precise, Sir.We in continental Europe are just better at engineering.
>>56160181> rosette pseudoimagers like AIM-9M/PWith added UV and a improved version of the rossette. Meanwhile the RBS still uses SACLOS.The last Stinger can be assisted by external thermal array sensor.
>>56160017This doesn't seem to fill the same niche as Stinger. With Stinger, you could react to incoming aircraft This thing needs time to set up. So you would need to anticipate incoming aircraft.
>>56160017 Stingers came out in the 80s, so it only took 40 years for someone to beat it.
>>56160241> thermal array sensor.ergo can be confused with flares. Period.Its over Stingerbros,
>>56160017It's like starstreak/LMM but worse in every way
>>56160275>ergo can be confused with flares. Period.TAS is a thermal camera retard, the same system as the AIM-9X. Why are you such a coping retard? Mr pooh
>>56160017It's 70's tech, but as the intended targets are Russian, I'm sure it will be more than sufficient.
>>56160296You think AIM-9X isn't susceptible to flares?
>>56160369>my technology is so obsolete that can't be jammed with the same tech>ALL HAIL SPREY!Less susceptible to flares than the thermal camera of the RBS. At least you have 2 POV.
>>56160400Why would the operator choose to aim the laser at the flares? he wouldn't.
Show me a single ITAR free Swedish hardware.Protip: you can't
>>56160499Good luck using vanilla optics to go against a target, you're back to the 70s Spreytard. Simple degrade this crap to its 1970s standard, no thermals. btw the TOW is better because wire are impossible to detect and jam with laser dazzlers.
>>56160080>not being wireguided master raceliterally the only choice for true winners
>>56160564>TOW is better because wire are impossible to detect and jam with laser dazzlers.TOW is guided by the base unit which can 100% be dazzled.
>>56160588>TOW is guided by the base unit which can 100% be dazzled.And what is this RBS? tell me. Spoiler: Both are SACLOS.
>>56160619I'm a Starstreak fan, SACLOS doesn't tell you all you need to know about jammability, starstreak is immune, TOW isn't.
>>56160660> starstreak is immune, Show you crooked teeth.
>>56160090Is this (you)?
>>56160699>developing an over engineered 2 stages missile with 1960s guidance.The absolute state of the eternal british.British aint into seekers.
>>56160722>1960s guidance.>optical target tracking>1960's lel Your brain is a slow as your missile, you'll never be a speed chad.
>>56160756>this retard thinks that the Apollo launch videos were taken manually.A ant brain is enough to do optical tracking, the first missiles used optical locking and tracking.
>>56160711hehe I am a kraut, yeah.My name is krautchan.
>>56160771Radar tracking =/= optical target recognition and tracking
>>56160660Starstreak is obivously better than TOW, we all know this to be true
>>56160797>think TV guided bombs are the same as fully automated optical target tracking with laser width accuracy Starstreak is the world first weapon to demonstrate the technology that is currently being used for laser weapons keeping their beam on a target.
>>56160821>The bomb was a true fire-and-forget system because once launched, the plane could immediately turn away from the aim point. The Walleye maneuvered itself using four large fins.Retard
>>56160844>flying towards a static point =/= optical target tracking
>>56160844>>56160848based thread, a good ol' argument.Carry on boys
>>56160871Hori sheet, this retard has Usain Bolt's legs when it comes to be a goalpost mover.Again, your are using a 60s tech upgraded with a digital computer. Keep coping retard.
>>56160924>Again, your are using a 60s tech upgraded with a digital computer. Keep coping retard.You have so far completely fail to show a 1960's weapon using AI powered optical target tracking (not even starting on the laser steering ability)
>>56160619TOW watches an infrared signal on the back of the missile to recognise where it is in relation to where the operator is aiming, and sends a signal to the missile to tell it to steer back towards the operator's line of sight. The launch unit is looking for the IR signal in the direction of the enemy target. This meant with old TOWs, where the IR signal was just a continuous source, dazzlers operating in a similar frequency could be used to confuse the launch unit about where the missile it just fired was, and cause it to send incorrect signals that would steer the missile in the wrong direction.Later TOWs use a pulsed infrared signal as a level of encryption so the launch unit can recognise the missile in spite of other infrared signalsRBS 70, Starstreak/Martlet etc. shine a laser-beam towards the target and the missile has sensors looking rearward to where the source of the beam is, and uses its own onboard logic to steer in line with the laser and follow where the operator is aiming. Because the sensors are facing the launch position, not the target, the enemy would have to dazzle the incoming missile from behind to confuse it: Which is impossible.
I always love reading threads made by people that lack the self awareness to see their own blatant insecurity
>>56160936You're just improving an obsolete tech retard. You can add as much glitter and colors as you want, but vanilla optic are a old tech inferior to thermals. That's why even with current processing power nobody except for the eternal British waste its time in SACLOS as AA.
>>56160983>IR signal was just a continuous source, dazzlers operating in a similar frequency could be used to confuse the launch unit about where the missile it just fired wasYes, that's how all soft kill APS works, but you have to detect the missile for it be useful. Laser beam riding is trivial to detect because you have to illuminate the target for seconds with a very unique signal.
>>56161027tell me about my own blatant insecurity.Seriously, tell me.
>>56160983>: Which is impossible.You can dazzle the cameras or simply fly low enough to have obstacles. A Stinger goes up and track the target from a better angle.
>>56160771>this retard thinks that the Apollo launch videos were taken manually.They are though.A 60s tracking radar is less accurate than pic related...
>>56160017OP is a troll and or schizo, he hates the US and keeps making these thread and shitposting for over six hours a day.Claims to be german, but does everything to make everyone hate them and evades proving being german. Mods do fuck all against him, so enjoy the ride.
>>56161097based kraut, tell us more
>>56161094>They are though.>He doens't know the askania's.Contrast seekers never were a complex tech, just unreliable without extras that need digital computers. And even with those extras are unrealiables.
>>56161052Are you dumb? Starstreak uses a thermal sight alongside the regular daylight sight. It's what let's it work in all weather unlike IR guided missiles.
Starstreakfrens I dont feel so good.The range is only about roughly 7kmThe Swedes can do 9km.Stinger looses against both of them but we already knew this > Continental Europe wins again
>>56161302oh mygodHe just dropped another thread, this time about the superior RCH155How based is this lad?>>56161015>>56161015>>56161015
>>56161294> thermal sight alongside the regular daylight sightTo do SACLOS. British are good wasting the potential of new techs.
>>56161294> all weather unlike IR guided missiles.lmfao
>>56161336SACLOS isn't a bad thing when you have the same engagement time as an MBT main armament round and don't miss.>>56161347You realise stringer doesn't work through clouds right? It has to lock on first and it can't do that though cloud or smoke.Thermal sights see through cloud and smoke.
>>56161488>SACLOS isn't a bad thing when you have the same engagement time as an MBT main armament round and don't miss.Ok Sprey.>You realise stringer doesn't work through clouds right? It has to lock on first and it can't do that though cloud or smoke.Smoke and clouds (not storms) aren't opaque to IR in most situations.>Thermal sights see through cloud and smoke.Anything able to impede a rosette will do the same in a array, the only advantage of array is that using a computer you can discriminate the movements of many objects and filter out flares. You're adding more data rate, nothing more.I leave it, It's impossible to out-retard the eternal british in their stubbornness.
>>56161586And by opaque I mean that things like smoke with heat sources (freshly WP) will be a effective 'barrier' to hide anything behind both in visual and IR
>>56160017>instant seethe about stingerMan stinger is based
>>56161793Stinger lost, at this point its Starstreak vs RBS70. Both European.
>>56161886Stinger is a better system to carry around than either. In a layered defense they coexist. You started the thread seething about stinger despite it having a confirmed su-30 kill this year and the RBS-70 hasn’t done anything. Starstreak is good though
>>56161793A weapon so good that Europe has to make hypotheticals for it to lose. Literally a continent of sloppy seconds.
>>56160699I love these lil fuckers in Wargame Red Dragon they’re Otomatics but shittier.
>>56160017>Made in Sweden. Let that sink in.the fuck are you on about, sweden is known for their great arms industry, AT4, NLAW, Carl Gustav, fucking 40mm BOFORS with their magic telescoping ammo, Meteor, Taurus, IRIS.
>>56162209100% agreed. Sweden is the real deal, also the Germans.
>>56162209Impressive for a European country. Possibly the most impressive in regards to military design behind the US
>>56162346talk aboutPanther MBT (better than yours)Leopard 2 MBT (better than yours)PzH2000 artillery (far better than yours)Eurofighter (better than yours)Gepard 35mm (better than yours)did I miss anything? feel free to add
>>56162373Wow some systems are better than Swedish systems. Great job
>>56162373>PzH2000 artillery (far better than yours)You are now reminded that the USA still uses the M109 (LOL) and towed artillery (M777) meanwhile even the fucking Chinese have better artillery than the USA.
>>56162373The 35mm oerlikon is inferior to the 40mm bofors in every way. Face it, Sweden just has a knack for producing military equipment
>>56162455nah, the "yours" was directed at the Americans obviously
>>56162461US has the best mlrs and guided rocket combo in the world and the intel and gps constellation to back it up. Tube artillery is massive cope
>>56162463the 35mm is superior to any mutt Anti-air. That was my point, Sir.
>>56162474*sells f-35 to all of europe*
>>56162477doesn't make your M109 better in any regard
>>56162487C-RAM is much better, and has had much more success.
>>56162492321..just came here to drop some hard facts.> Your next generation bullshit is just promotional bullshit.> Your next generation plane is a huge piece of metal and it can be shot down essentially like any other plane.> Talk about radar-seeking, infrared homing anti-air missles. Talk about optical targeting.> That means the plane can be seen and then shot down. Without even turning on radar once.> Just maybe if you for once fought a real war not some third world middle eastern shithole with practically no army.> Your next generation plane has no voodoo which makes it invisible. Na-ha.> Cope harder boys.> You just lost a big fat 20 year war.> Guess the next generation planes didn't fly so good?> Where was the stealth voodoo power?> Oh right you lost anywaysNext generation my ass
>>56162511*sells f35s to all of Europe anyway*
>>56160017Stinger was already btfo'd, it's ranking is about the same as a Stunga P maybe slightly less.
>>56162654> Stugna P superior to StingerObviously true
>>56162731your cope is even more delicious
>>56160211well, we got some decent webms out of it, at least
>>56160774Germany lost the war. That's why you're seething. You are a US territorial possession, all modern German weapons are essentially just American weapons that we outsourced. That's why your military is so worthless, we like you weak and docile, because that's where Germany belongs. Thank you for serving the American MIC by making these threads, one way or the other, it helps America get better weapons.
>>56162511If next generation stuff is bullshit then how come Serbia had no defense against NATO? Also how come Germany hasn't won a single war in the last century?
>>56162903the Serbiafag again please gtfo
>>56162511Also how come you can't get a decent job or make a proper living? Isn't that why you moved to Germany? How did you fail out of vocational school when Germany has done everything it can to ensure immigrants get a fair chance? Is that why you keep posting here? I've noticed that you post at all hours of the day including weekdays when you should be working. Did you really fail at something so easy that thousands accomplish it without really trying? I honestly feel bad for Germans, they've opened their arms to people like you, and you can't even make it in their society on easy mode. Guess Serbs really are genetically inferior, it's like they cause trouble just by being alive, see 1994.
>>56162964OP is already crazy rich (he was born this way), has no point in life.Except /k/
>>56162904>cope? Nice response, really rebutted all of the salient points that I made. What's the tactical advantage of losing a war and ending up as a vassal state with a military so pussified it's unable to offer anything of value even when it's not at war?
>>56160588TOW-2 secondary xenon flare/sensor can't be dazzled by any jammer currently in service.
>>56162511>>56162904>>56162931LMAO he fucked off. I love posting that image, even if he's not actually here it perfectly exemplifies the kind of people who shill for Europe's weakest military.
>>56162511Keep buying those F-35s and seethe about the US producing fossil fuels, all the while chugging Russian semen to keep the gas pipelines running in order to make up for the 90% of domestic energy production your country shut down due to muh climate accords.
>>56163024>LMAO he fucked off. I love posting that image, even if he's not actually here it perfectly exemplifies the kind of people who shill for Europe's weakest military.correct, that's not actually me.OP is a tall muscular kraut chad and you are not happy
>>56163059the gas pipeline to Russia has been terminated.
>>56162684>>56162731Hey the Stunga P has killed 2 KA52s on video. The Stinger hasn't managed to do anything on video just a single jet kill confirmed by somone who wants more US aid....fishy
>>56163092You left out that the su-30 was caught on camera being hit and exploding on the ground. You will never rebutt the Ukrainian MOD confirming that the venerable stinger took it down
>>56163209>Being hit and exploding on the groundYeh with no stinger in sight right? Just a missile with a smoke trail.Let's give it to the Stinger, apart from that it is the least successful Manpad in Ukraine, an irrefutable point. Just let it go old man.
>>56163249It’s the only one to kill a fast jet. Based stinger
>>56163249Cope levels critical. Amazing how buckbroken you are over this one incident, it's like your kryptonite, and you literally can't refute it except by saying that the people who literally fired the Stinger are all liars. It utterly destroys your argument-- how come the STINGER was able to kill a Su-30? If the Manlet, Starstreak, Piorun, ect are so much better, how come they don't have fast jet kills? It must be because the Ukrainian MOD are liars, even though you're perfectly willing to accept any faint praise they might have for any other system. It's amusing watching you devolve into paranoid delusions in order to cope. Wait until I tell you that the Stinger is the most successful MANPADS in history in terms of confirmed loss numbers. Y'know shit like this is why Germany has lost every war in the last several hundred years, you are so self-satisfied with your mediocre engineering that you can't accept that Americans beat you without even really trying. You're angry that you can't even exceed or even match a US system that was built 40 YEARS AGO, let that sink in for a bit. PS. Can you imagine how humiliating it would be if you told a German officer of 80 years ago that his country was reduced to sending helmets and politely asking another country to please stop invading?
>>56164110thought they said he's a mudslime refugee in krautland, not a proper kraut
>>56163063>tall muscular chads spend their freetime shilling for Europe's worst military at all hours of the day Yeah no.
Warriortard can you kill yourself already.The swedes and bongs often have similar operational requirements and cooperate on a ton of stuff, them ending up with basically the same thing. Both are decent systems, arguably the starstreak 7km range in conservative.Lastly range isn't the only thing you need, end G tolerance is a SS benefit.P.S. Kill yourself megafaggot.
>>56165220You're so easy to spot honestly I can't believe people fall for your gay shitty threads.I've been unable to post for a few weeks due on being stuck on TOR nodes primary due to work internet and unwillingness to give my info to my phone provider, but you're a huge obvious faggot, and none of your new styled shill threads get past me.
>>56165195It’s obviously this guy who made the thread >>56161324>>56162511
>>56165270Warriortard and kraut poster have completely different styles of posting. You’re attributing every poster you don’t like to the guy who made fun of a British armored vehicle
>>56165298I don't mean OP, I know who I'm talking to.
>>56165306This post >>56165195reads as if it was directed at the OP.
>>56160017>bestHow much does it cost?
>>56165393>The story seems to be repeated this year again. Today the price the Brasilians pay for their new RBS-70 reaches approximatelly USD 1.3 million, while the Czechs are offered the RBS-70 NG at about USD 2 million.