When Primary Arms releases their platinum series prism optic with Japanese glass it’ll be over for Trijicon.Last thread >>55275495
>>55291738I just don’t like it bros
>>55291738Anybody interested in an unfired MCX tacops? I got other goodies with it as well if you're interested in a 11.5 barrel and the folding stock.
spray colors for hiding in the corn?
>>55291738Is it really that superior to the kino RCO?
Yeah, I'm thinking AR15
>>55291781I'm thinking the same
kinda wish you guys would take the endless tripfag circlejerk to discord or chaturbate or something ngl>>55291738>Primary Arms releases their platinum series prism optic with Japanese glasswhen>>55291724I mean, it makes good financial sense when you factor in that you could use them to run drugs across the border at night on an atv
>>55291781damn i need a triangle handguard in my life
>>55291781Yeah, I'm thinking fuck yourself.
>>55291757Are you the guy who’s been trying to sell your upper?
>>55291738I own a primary arms 3x prism for my AK with the 7.62x39 acss reticle, and a TA01NSN from Trijicon and they both have the same shitty eye relief but the Trijicon feels way more solid and the glass is way better. Too bad eye relief sucks in just about every optic except for a select few, because a lot of these scopes are marketed as "CQB capable", but neither high end LPVOs nor prism scopes have good enough eye relief to compete with a red dot. Is there any worthy magnified optic out there? Or do I have to rely on a red dot riding on top of an optic for close quarters shooting?
>>55291845Elcan is going to be the best of the prism options and is workable compared to a PA 3x or a TA01.
>>55291781no shit that A2 is yours too, I should have known
>>55291833Yep! I'm clearing out some unwanted stuff to make funds for nods. I'm tired of waiting for my 300 sps suppressor for my mcx and now that the new one is out there isn't much reason for me to keep it. I also have an KAC cqb now so I don't need an mk18 upper.
>>55291866Atleast you are selling an mcxBuying one to replace it tho, yikes
>>55291803GPNVG's are nice but for that money I'd think you'd be better off with thermals. Or integrated thermal nods.
>>55291775It's almost exactly the same thing as a horseshoe dot ACOG, except it has a shitty chevron and wind holds for ranges you would never be using them.
>>55291884The hotter take:You arent good enough for quads to matter
>>55291882I'm probably not going to replace it to be honest tho, at least not for years. There really isn't anything wrong with an mcx platform, the new one eliminates a lot of the weight criticism as well and the criticism of the handguard not holding zero.
>>55291845>but neither high end LPVOs nor prism scopes have good enough eye relief to compete with a red dotIs there any site at all that lists eye boxes/relief/fov for all LPVOs or prisms, like so you can sort them? I'm genuinely kind of curious what the largest 1x one is and the range. Also if there's been any improvement in the last few years say or it's pretty much static.
>>55291866it never crossed your mind to get into nods after spending this much on functionally identical rifles. damn
>>55291858Elcan Man good but I wish I had a kraut can
>>55291845the low power ACOGs have pretty good eye relief>>55291865>SATis the rear half of the KAC panel just kind of floating?
>>55291891Probably, but neither are you. Quad nods don't stand up to thermals, the guy with the thermal will just take them off your dead body when shtf.
>>55291799Paint job is looking good. You know how much that weighs as pictured?
>>55291903>is the rear half of the KAC panel just kind of floating?yeah, I'll have to get some shorter covers eventually
>>55291882Jesus that remlok is really something, isn't it
>>55291738I laughed at that image thinking it was a joke but now I'm not so sure
>>55291910I would be the kind of retard to t-box the dude with quads.
>>55291910>Quad nods don't stand up to thermals, the guy with the thermal will just take them off your dead body when shtf.Yes but also noThermals arent magic, neither are quadsYou are a league above someone who lacks them but when you know the limits of each system you become a lot more survivable to either>>55291930It do lock down!
>>55291882Clicky cap supremacy
>>55291858Have you had a chance to get your hands on a PA 3X micro?
>>55291955The Chinese piece of shit?
>>55291899I've seen a chart for magnifiers on reddit but that and this table for acogs is about it. Part of the problem is that the manufacturer's specs for eye relief don't tell the whole story. Some of them are listed way shorter than they are (TA33 for example). Some of them have a tiny usable eye relief length while others kind of trail off and you can still use them effectively a long way off from "optimal"It's just really hard to tell if it works for you without trying it out for yourself. Luckily with the secondhand accessories market it's pretty easy to flip stuff.
>>55291882I know you said you're rotating through 416/SR15/SCAR regularly, but it seems like the SCAR has seen less love lately. Last I saw you had an (((lpvo))) on it even
>>55291972The trijicon website itself is straight up wrong about weights
>>55291900No, it has. I've thought about it more recently, I've made mistakes though and learned things, also I don't know enough about nods to make an informed purchase and I've been putting off getting them till I'm more informed, I also want a good set of dual nods which would probably cost somewhere in the ball park of 6-8k, also a laser illuminator isn't going to be cheap, so add in another couple k, then I need a good helmet and mount for it, so that's like another 2k. Unless I go with a bump, which I don't think is a great investment. So I'd be looking at easily over 12k of gear to buy. When I compare that to basically just a 2.5k gun, It's a lot more appealing financially to just buy a 2.5k gun. I bought the mcx because I wanted a bag gun 300blkout. I bought the suppressor before I bought the gun, when the wait times looked like 90 days, I was originally just going to get a BCM upper, but I found the MCX tacops and it appealed to me. So I just impulse bought it and thought in a couple months I'd have the suppressor and I'd be groovin, but now its been 5 months, a new MCX has come out, and my interest has shifted more to nods and using my KAC CQB for night ops and shit. So now I'm cutting off the dead fat from my small collection.
>>55291919About 10 lbs 5 oz as you see it with sling and full mag.It has an aluminum car stock so could be lighter but the balance feels good.
>>55291979The 416 just feels right bro plus you can shoot Sims
Whatre yall drinking?
>>55291987many such cases
>>55291937What is the best value thermal clip on to put in front of an elcan?
>>55291937>>55291937>Thermals arent magic, neither are quadsYeah, I agree for the most part. Kind of what I was alluding to was a guy with thermal, just hiding in a dark bush with dark clothing and facepaint, ambushing quad nods guy and taking his shit. Quad nods are still cool though but I think they are overrated. They look super cool and they appeal mostly to noguns and zoomers.
>>55292006water cus im not a degenerate
>>55292021tea, earl grey, hot
>>55291989ok. /nvg/ will get you going. also a2 is back from hiatus so you might actually get some user feedback.t. humble wp xlsh poor-14 user>>55292006cow juice
>>55291989Nods give you more capability than another similar ish blaster, they hold their value and are pretty liquid
>>55291865Anon deserves to know which hot takes are coming from the same person. Got some remaining parts coming in tomorrow, pretty stoked to shoot it on the weekend.
>>55292019That's retarded. Everyone's SHTF fantasies are so fucking stupid. >m-muh thermal vs quadzIsn't an argument. Anyone who has quads can afford a thermal. "muh lootdrops" is such a stupid ass poorfag meme. You aren't getting any.You are getting run over by someone in an Abrams, because tanks don't suddenly stop existing just because you don't own one.
>>55292002SCAR feels better to shoot suppressed
>>55292052scar vs hk416 vs kac, which was nicest to shoot
>>55292052Probably but it's time has passed. You missed the boat. I wonder why all the big companies are sleeping
>>55292063All have pluses and minuses
>>55291955Ive never touched one >>55291979Fortunately I might come into some 16S sim bolts here shortly which would be a huge upsell.SCAR has a T2 on it>>55291989>Good set>6-8Id push that up to 9-12>>55292019Quads arent for checking out bushesThey are for reading/processing rooms faster and operating fast moving vehicles with less scanning.Also thermals work poorly into and out of bushes. They see heat, not magic.
>>55292080fuck off, fence sitting centrism is bullshit, also you don't own all three
>>55292033Thanks for the info. I'll start lurking over there and soaking up knowledge. >>55292044Yeah I agree, and I've been realizing that a lot lately. I am human and have made mistakes in some of my purchases. I'm trying to correct that now and just get into nods now. It really has been appealing to me lately because whoever has night vision capability opens up a lot more opportunities for operation and ability. I also recently realized that you can use them during the day, just in doors, in dark buildings where there are no lights. That's why you'll see operators with nods on their helmet during the day when they are raiding a building. Also the reality is likely if glowies are ever on the menu, it will probably be during night.
>>55292063They're all very similar and just have advantages and weaknesses. >scarBest suppressed worst ergos>416Good suppressed good ergos but heavy>KAC Worst suppressed (still not bad) good ergos lightest >>55292081Ah that makes sense
>>55292049>>55292049>Isn't an argument. Anyone who has quads can afford a thermal. "muh lootdrops" is such a stupid ass poorfag meme. You aren't getting any.>You are getting run over by someone in an Abrams, because tanks don't suddenly stop existing just because you don't own one.Didn't know you were psychic bro, can you give me some lotto numbers?
>>55292081At some point in the next 5-8 years we're going to see fusion stuff start to become available to civilian market and this will become a moot argument (at least with enough $$$$) since you'll have both quads and smart thermal highlights fused in your view, probably with some rudimentary AR capability too (stuff like compass are gimmes, though I'll be interested if any standards develop for simple gun interfacing so you can see ammo or a virtual reticle).
>>55292093i went one night walk without nods and I felt fucking naked because I could no longer see what was in the darker parts of the tall grass. shit spooked me too hard and I had to walk back earlier than usual.
>>55292105>Didn't know you were psychic broNow you do.>can you give me some lotto numbers?No, gambling is a sin. Repent.
>>55292047enjoy it friend, I'm in a similar position with the larue rail, got it mounted over the weekend but haven't shot with it yet
Where to find the c7a2 clamp on rail for gas block? Got an elcan and 20inch upper laying around.
>>55292122https://www.koshersurplus.com/product/f14-fusion-white-phosphor-night-vision-monocular-with-built-in-12um-640-thermal/it's kinda shitty, but it's there
>>55292122>5-8 years>Cheap i2No>5-9 years>Cheaper thermalYes>5-8 years>Cheap, good and civilian availableNo>Fused shitAlready accessible
BCM for civilian kings only.For that reason, they will be the defacto DWOT meta Zogbots need not apply.
After all these years I've never understood the hype behind ACSS. It's just a shittier, more cluttered TA31F reticle that's too small for the windage holdovers to do anything.
>>55292085I've owned 2 and shot all 3. You learn more about the three and make your own choice. I like the 416 best but maybe you like the scar best or the sr15. Also fuck you
>>55292137What the fuck is that? A sig?
>>55292153Nobody ever explained the TA31F chevron to them, but youtubers explained ACSS to them so now it makes sense and is "feature rich"
>>55292081>Id push that up to 9-12Damn, but that's why I've held off though. What set are you referring to? >Quads arent for checking out bushes. They are for reading/processing rooms faster and operating fast moving vehicles with less scanning. Also thermals work poorly into and out of bushes. They see heat, not magic.Some of that makes sense. Weren't they originally developed for pilots flying at night? Thermals may work poorly into and out of bushes but they work a lot better than nods would under the conditions I described. I was imagining a guy in thick brush/bushes poking out of a duckblind/sniper's nest setup with his thermal and icing somebody with these hypothetical nods. But I take your point, if they were being employed correctly they would more likely be using them in buildings. Don't get me wrong, I like both, I was just fucking around when I made the comment. But I think for 42k they are kind of pushing their value. I think like another anon said, in the next 10 years there is going to be so much better shit that blows the fuck out of quad nods, like the IVAS system the military is experimenting with right now. If that shit takes off and does what it promises, it's revolutionary. Will probably be expensive as fuck though, but there would be almost no reason to use anything else in the same price range.
>>552921753/4 crayon eaters hate the ACSS
>>55291972>TA44>2.4" ERLmfao no, I don't know why Trijicon insists on this but it's so much better than 2.4".
>>55292137Ah fellow man of culture anon. Rail looks pretty slick, what optic you getting for it?
>>55292096>>55292096>>scar>Best suppressed worst ergosNigger what the fuck? Suppressing it voids the warranty cause FN didn't make it suppressor ready.
>>55292153It's just people who are only capable of repeating things they saw in youtube gun/gear reviews. 99% of the people talking about it don't own it and have never even seen an ACOG with ACSS, and never will.
>>55292223Doesn't matter it's still the best
>>55292223>Suppressing it voids the warrantyWhat does that have to do with how well it shoots suppressed?
>>55292123them cryptids will sneak up on ya.
What zeros are /arg/ approved? Why or why not?
>>55292189>you’ve finally decided to become an insurgent after AOC wins the presidency and bans white men>you just got your civilian version of the IVAS with that sweet new trajectory overlay>spent weeks developing a target package, observing patterns of life>now is the moment you’re going to do hoodrat shit>you park the van at your ingress point>silent infill>ready to hit the X, time to power on the goggles (gotta keep EM emissions low for OPSEC)>ERROR: UPDATE NEEDED! SYSTEM RESTARTINGPlease to be getting your system patched sirs you bloody bitch basterd
>>55292238Find your optic height over bore center. Then enter your ammo into ballistics calculator. Play with the zero until it's what you want for where you want it.
>>55292223>being afraid of voiding the warranty on something that has a suppressed setting>being afraid of voiding the warranty>being afraid>being
>>55292236Because FN didn't set the gun up for suppression and it will cause accelerated wear, problems, over gassing.
>>55292264just change your gas jets out, my dude
>>55292248kek, I could see some bullshit like that happening. If that does happen, I'd imagine a lot of people would jailbreak it somehow. >>55292260I'm not saying, I'm afraid to void the warranty I'm saying the gun is not suppressor ready.
>>55292175Seeing YT cunts drool over that ratfuck horseshoe being so "natural for holdovers on running targets" made me depressed, though not as depressed as when people started shoving it into fucking red dots and attracting magnifier cretins. Who knew dumbing down the GRSC T1 reticle and marketing it towards zoomers would be so lucrative.
>>55291910>>55291937Holy hell you guys are silly LARPERS discussing this as if you'll be in a survival/battle Royale game, what's worse yet is that you guys really believe you have plot armor lol. If you guys believe the elite who run the world are going to allow for a civil war or anarchy shtf situation take place where people are running around lawlessly battling it out and creating factions from scratch ala New Vegas... you guys have another thing coming. You will see ZERO fighting in your lifetime unless you're actually either in the military in a combat arms MOS, and as a civilian you will probably never have to shoot anyone and if you did it will be your CCW pistol (duty pistol if cop) at close range at some nigger with a hi-point. Your mixed grandchildren will sell off your guns back to the government for cuck bucks and coupons to see the newest woke 5D movie. And by the time people chose to actually revolt (though I doubt it due to demographics change) we'll be so under control due to the immense technological advantage of the ever more tyranical government that those nods will be retro garbage like an old NES console, when the next gen night vision is fielded by Private Jamal Sanchez and his job is to smoke you out of the woods. Buy your shit for fun, larp, etc. But don't take it so seriously where you two idiots debate about life and death, because unless door kicking is your actual line of work and you're going around murdering people for international bankers, you will never operate with any of it. Maybe you get lucky and you shoot some trailer trash breaking into your cabin at night with your thermal or nods, but nothing a high candela flashlight couldn't handle. My PVS-14 is for night hikes and star gazing, my thermal is for hunting varmints and hogs, anything else would be pretend and LARP.
>>55292264>Because FN didn't set the gun up for suppressionAnd this prevents you from doing so? A chopped barrel is generally fine with the stock jet. But you change the jet out and get it shooting incredibly soft and it will shoot forever
>>55292237i swear some of the deer walk funny, I would spy them from the corner of my vision and I would think it was a bunch of teenagers crossing the road, but no it was a herd of deer. They can make grunts that sound like a deep "huh?" and since nothing hunts them in this shithole they walk around with impunity and make no effort to mask their footsteps, so it sounds human. IHTAC
>>55292277Is there ones sold that are reliable?
>>55292304You know the jet is just a little stainless threaded thing with a little hole in it right?
>>55292294too long, didn't read.
>>55292223mechanically it is suppressor ready, FN's just super cucked and doesnt want people to use/make NFA items, like how they don’t sell proper P90 barrels>>55292264just mess with the gas block, its adjustable for a reason
>>55292189>Damn, but that's why I've held off though. What set are you referring to?Id highly suggest L3 unfilmed articulating units which means really DTNVS, 31s or 1531s >ThermalsThermals show a lot of heat, you need to look for moving heat/unnaturally hot objects still. Unless you are looking for buck ass naked people in 0F you will likely have hot rocks, plants that got heated, hot cars, burning tires, etc that will all clutter the thermal significantly. Take a look at pic in >>55292081, its two rocks and spearman hiding in gortex next to them. Now this is daylight so the rocks are closer to spearman's temp but this is also at under 100yd. At night those rocks hold their heat for a quite a while and with the limited resolution of thermals you dont need to match the temp of the rock as much as you need to stand infront of/behind/ontopof that rock and you will exist within operator eye clutter. Operator will have to delineate two different shades of white/black and ascertain that the camouflaged individual in question is not just a larger/more sunwarmed portion of a rock. This is rock centric but replace it with concrete, stone, steel, cars or any object that heats up during the day. Secondary heat sources also can gradient out a thermal. All thermals display information as a gradient of temps that they can see. White hot will have pure white be the hottest thing in the image with pure black be the coldest thing in the image. If this delta is small like 50-90F for example, you get good contrast between objects. If this delta is large like lets say 50F to a 1500F campfire, you will have a much harder time spotting the 98.6F human in the image. So if you can light fires or use exceedingly hot objects to mask your observation directions between potential OPs and yourself its GG.1/2
>>55292312No, cause I don't have a scar. >>55292318Okay, thanks for the info anon.
>>55292228I'll admit it sounds cool when you have it described to you, it's just when you actually look through the glass and see it in action that reality hits you.
>>55292144>it's kinda shitty, but it's thereNot-shitty is what I meant though, stuff that is literally the best of both with no downsides such that you'd have zero reason not to use it if you could and then get rid of everything dedicated.And I think with the progress on wearable displays that's where it's going to come from on the civvie side.
>>55292316You know you did.
>>55291738I can't wait for this to happen so you finally shut up about it. But then again you won't ever use it yet will undoubtedly recommend it to everyone as the best thing ever.
Is the 1-8 ATACR an ok LPVO for like 55% off msrp? I know a range buddy who is moving and wants to get rid of his because he's downsizing his entire collection and said he's willing to sell it to me or someone else he knows personally for a significant discount vs market price. It seems to be in perfectly good shape.
>>55291738I just like it bros
>>55292384its literally one of the best LPVOs you can get, absolutely get it
>>55292384>is the most highly recommended LPVO in /arg/ okIt's the only good LPVO.
>>55291960They’re making a quality Japanese made one soon with better eye relief than the ACOG
>>55291865What optics mount you have in the carry handle?I have a 10" 300 blackout mock dissipator A2 upper I am building in a very similar way - Larue quad rail, A2 FSB, side-sling adapter, etc., have been looking for a decent optics mount.
>>55292384Lemme have it
>>55292369cool, so what did the recoil on the suppressed scar feel like compared to the kac?
>>55292201>slickheh>what optic you getting for it?The plan was to find a 9000SCNV but I haven't had any luck, so I'm looking for a regular 9000 at the moment>>55292173It's an AR15
>>55292401hey, buy my mcx sigbro.
>>55292358bruh, this shit isn't simple. there is too much red tape between companies to ever make this kind of stuff cheap.
>>55292223>cause FN didn't make it suppressor ready.Nah, you just dont have the FN can. Cans are on a spectrum of backpressure. When someone puts their shitty rex silentium on a gun you make and it explodes why would you ever warranty that horse shit?>>552921892/2>Thermal (cont.)But the most important feature for avoiding thermals is simply terrain masking. You arent hot enough to heat up a bush you brush past and the thermal viewing 17 deg x 10 deg @ 500-1500yd away isnt sensitive enough to detect your sweat that flicked off your multicam black ballcap. Proper terrain masking is a staple of concealment regardless of time of day, observation system or technological level.>IVASIVAS is battery cucked at a far greater rate than any of the other technology we've compared here. Imagine your smart phone has half a dozen cameras open and is playing several games at once. Think about the battery life of that and the heat dissipation of the chips involved. >>55292294Shit tier post, modern tubes exceed the specs of issued omni 8 and unissued omni 9 specs. Thermal proliferation and advancements are solidly on the side of larping civilians as well. Remember PAS13???? Of all of the shit to get in a tissy about small arms and individual soldier systems are probably the most obtainable to random internet people. You should be posturing the stronger cohesive C2, better SIGINT and superior targeting pipeline that state actors have. But that would require you to have reading comprehension and understand what you are talking about.
>>55292329Ach retard from before, this alright? https://www.fortbraggsurplus.us/Kevlar--Marine-Lightweight-Helmet-LWH_p_3192.html
>>55291934It's not. He's been talking about this for months.
>>55292415I'm good, boss. Thanks though.
>>55292400>What optics mount you have in the carry handle?sorry, I haven't been able to identify it, I bought it from some boomer on ebaya #16A and an aimpoint pro would be pretty solid>quad railbased, I was impatient and curious about this one, otherwise I would have done the same
>>55291987Some of them include the mount but not all of them which is dumb.
>>55292398is this the 5x one or whatever?I've got a 22LR A1 upper I want to put a magnified optic on, and PA stuff seems appropriate. Decent enough it won't piss me off to use, not fuck-off expensive so I feel stupid putting it on a 22.
>>55292420Thanks for the info. Noted.>IVAS is battery cuckedIn 10 years bro...If it performs and does what the military wants it to do, they will dump millions and millions of dollars into funding research for that thing and battery technology will be vastly improved by then anyway. It will be optimized. The simple fact of the matter is that even if it isn't the IVAS system, other systems will emerge in 10 years that will be many times better than what we have now.
>>55292019>just hiding in a dark bush with dark clothing and facepaint, ambushing quad nods guy and taking his shitThe chances of this happening are going to be one in a million. Are you going to let the people who don't have quads keep going or are you just going to turn into a serial killer on the off chance someone with quads passes by your bush?
I sure hope this photo isn’t mucho shrunko
>>55292484>going to turn into a serial killeryes
>>55292422https://www.optactical.com/opfabajumihe.htmlorhttps://shop.opticsplanet.com/3m-combat-full-cut-mich-ballistic-helmet-standart-retention.htmlorsimilar 3a 3lb new production helmet/bump>>55292482Biggest advancement will be the cheaper thermal sensors littering your shit.
>>55292498What are you going to do once you get those quads? Stay in the bush?
>>55292403Slow, light, no gas to the face at all
>>55291738Can they just make the same thing minus the big gay horseshoe? Srsly aurora is perfect that needs to go in everything.
>>55292420Very interesting stuff gay 2. Thank you
>>55291882How do you actuate the clicky? Also why do you still have that kind of handguard screw?
>>55292396>>55292401Thanks /arg/, I'll write him right now, take the plunge and spring for it. >>55292397I'll be going from a really basic Swampfox which I like fine and was dirt cheap, I honestly never paid much attention to optics until recently when I got something in 308, a much nicer 556 setup and started mixing in longer range stuff to my shorter range practice. And when I tried to research it at last there are so damn many options and opinions, even for nice stuff. And even at way off full price, $1k+ is still a pretty sizable chunk of change to drop on a single thing for me. Just wanted some anon second opinions. I've heard good glass is often said to be costly vs an entire platform.
>>55292522Bro it's for CQB bro you don't understand! And average height man running exactly 3.1mph!
>>55292506You don't think the military is going to have concerns about the battery life just like you do? You can be damned sure if they pick up the IVAS system they will request better battery performance.
>>55292516Scar H or scar L?
>>55292540basado 55grn users vindicated
is it my-newt of angleor minute (like a minute of time) of angle?
>>55292530Underthumbing itBack in my day you got the shit screw and you liked it>>55292536Pay attention to the number of photos of IVAS around vehicles, specifically in commander hatches.>RequestThey can request a sunny day and God will make it rain because ultimately they cant shit batteries out of thin air. If they could your E-Abrams would be silent and have insane acceleration. Instead you are getting hydrogen aluminum catalyst fuel cell shit again>>55292524Cheers>>55292555Like time
>>55292555my-newt of angel
>>55292535>And average height man running exactly 3.1mph!I walk at a 3.5 mph pace wtft.angry manlet
>>55292546Both my brother
>doesn't have to change jets to shoot with a can, just turn the dial
>>55292490>file deletedIt was a dead pigger wasn’t it?
>>55292555my-nooshas in minutia
323 days since rc2's check was cashed.>>55291899you have to look them up, but data sheets aren't always what you experience when shooting.>>55292006whole milk with organic, grass fed whey
Guys help me, what’s the name of this stock ????
>>55292571FAL Gas regulator complexity.txt>>55292592VLTOR beard destroyer
>>55292567Same. Propelled by rage>>55292571Wish it was attached to a better gun
>>55292384it's not perfect but it is very good. and at that price its a fucking no brainer.
>>55291845The PA 2x good eye relief and a wide eyebox
>>55292621Hey kac bro, they are talking shit about suppressed kac, we gonna just let them talk shit like that?!
>>55292652God I loved that optic in battlefield 3. Why does it have to suck so bad in reality
>>55292590Did you sell the DD for the KAC like Vicious?
>>55292663It’s not too bad it’s just so damn blue.
>>55292664I'm trying to sell my DD mk18 for the kac. bought the kac first though. Buy my shit, I'll give you a good price.
>>55291757I would buy it if it was a rattler, but that won’t fit in any bags folded
>>55291866>I'm tired of waiting for my 300 sps suppressor for my mcxYou on paper or eform? If the former my condolences. If the latter, my condolences. I have a can waiting from march. Paper is objectively worse for now since it's like 400+ days. But eform almost feels worse because for a brief shining period it looked like they'd really keep it around or below 90 days.Instead they're still fucking february. As they have been for months now. We are on this world only to suffer.
>>55292648I'd defend the honor of my kac, but I still don't have my rc2 so I can't speak from experience. but its no biggie, I only dropped like 1.2k on it a year ago so no biggie haha. whenever they get around to it I'm ok with that no biggie ahahgrats on the upper, you play with it yet?>>55292664I did. loved the m4a1 but I didn't think there was enough of a difference between it and the cqb to justify keeping both. if the m4a1 was a mid-length gas system...maybe. I just don't like having a bunch of guns I don't shoot. I like having a few really nice guns I don't shoot.>>55292685tacswap/gafs and you'll sell it for 66% of msrp in like 2 days.
Hasnods here, got an EXPS3 on a unity riser, it's awesome. I'd like to get a magnifier for daytime use because my eyes aren't the best and a bit of magnification never hurts. What magnifier/mount/riser should I go with? I have money.
>>55292688It fits perfectly fine in my F5 Switchblade bag, which is a pretty small bag. Idk what you mean. Also it depends on the size of the can you're attaching.
>>55292420What do you think about all of this thermal stuff in the South with tons of underbrush? From what I'm picking up that would make it way less effective right?
>>55292707G33 on unity, it's your only option
>>55292736I'm tempted by the 6x Vortex. I should ignore this temptation, correct?
>>55292756Yes, you will regret it. G33 is the least shitty magnifier
>>55292764G45 is that much worse?
>>55292756I had the aim point 3x-c and it completely turned me off to magnifiers. I can't even imagine how bad a 6x vortex would suck.
>>55292617>Propelled by rageThis is what makes manlets the most powerful beings in the known universe.
what is the appropriate AR for river pirates @ 1500m?
>>55292694Eform, it's bullshit dude. Yeah it bothers the fuck out of me that they haven't even finished february yet. If they continue with this trajectory, it's going to be over 300 days by the time they get to mine in april. I bought mine when they were approving them at 90 days and under, then of course, as soon as I buy a suppressor and start the form, the wait time fucking skyrockets exponentially. Silencer shop fucked us, they had like 2 months of eform 4's saved up and then dropped them all on the ATF in one day. Then a surge of people started buying suppressors as well right around march and april when it became known that they are getting good turn around time. Still though the fucking ATF said they'd hire more people to keep the times down and they haven't. They have literally year+ backlog of paper forms to get through to clear it out, and the paper forms are still coming in for them. Its totally fucked. They are making shit up too. Claiming that the holdup is because of FBI background check slowdown, but the FBI has said they gave them direct access to the system database, and I've personally seen literally 8 hour turn around times for eform 4's that people have submitted with military orders to PCS, so they accelerate the process to push them through. literally less than 24 hours. That just shows that if they really wanted to, they could be churning these things out. Clearly no fucking FBI background check wait time for that guy huh? What a load of shit.
>>55292702>grats on the upper, you play with it yet?Haven't gotten to yet. I've been busy with airforce bullshit and paper work. I'm also trying to sell my shit and buy more ammo before I go shooting my stockpile. I can't use gafs. lol
>>55292770Yes. And, AND before you ask, G43 weighs the same iirc and has the same eye relief but it's shorter so you have to get closer to it>>55292772Powerful but blinded by rage
>>55291865Why doesnt mark put specs like ID or weight for his handguards on his websiteFucking dumb boomer
>>55292799>>55292771>>55292764>>55292736>>55292756G33+unity it is, thanks everyone
>>55291738Bought an upper bros, first AR let's go
>>55292795when is PSA dropping theirs?
>>55292685Oh my god shut up, nobody will buy your MCX or upper. Go pester /bst/ or better yet r/gunaccessoriesforsale.
>>55292827nice ddanon clone
>>55292702Christbro, do you think the ATF is deliberately retarding the approval process out of spite and hatred for gun owners?
>>55292827Where are we going?
>>55292842Thank>>55292847Idk to bed soon probably. Gotta get your 6 hours.
>>55292845they've always hated us. why would anything be significantly different now?I think there was a huge spike in stamps b/c of efile and Biden and they are just slow as fuck government workers.
>>55292861that wasnt a compliment
>>55292840>go pester /bst/>non-existent thread
>>55292827Shoulda just bought my upper.
>>55292845I do it for you
>>55292871No but I mean in general.There's no reason the process should take months and months to purchase a fucking steel tube with baffles in it.It doesn't even take that long to get your car registration or buy a gun at a gun store, or even to RECIEVE money from the government through unemployment.This process is so fucking long compared to every other government process.
>>55292776I honestly and genuinely hate conspiracy crap in general. Incompetence, lack of funding, shitty systems, etc are a lot more common if boring explanations. But the ATF's performance has been so abysmal and seems to have gotten even worse, not better, over the last few months when instead one would normally expect it to improve as the kinks got worked out. I really half wonder if there has been some direction from the top to make it worse. Except that doesn't even make any sense it's so stupid. But fuck me.Silencer Shop and Capital Armory and a few others definitely fucked up, but as you say that's no excuse. They moved fast on forms for all the shops they shut down for previous minor issues, typos and so on, stuff with zero ill intent. They should be batching and automating and hiring.
>>55292901My honest to god theory, is they genuinely don't want us to own suppressors, so they are deliberately making the process as difficult and drawn out as possible to discourage many from owning NFA items, suppressors. I think such an agenda is influenced by the higher ups in the ATF, they just had a change of leadership and all the sudden the wait times skyrocketed.
>>55292901Think of the legal context. There is a major push right now against and for gun regulation, and the NFA and suppressors specifically are being challenged on multiple fronts, even being reviewed by the supreme court as we speak, and Texas absolutely BTFOing the ATF every single day.Also gun grabbers are on the offensive, doing everything they can People severely underestimate the effect the bruen decision is having on the second amendment landscape right now.I have no doubt that whatever the ATF is doing right now, it's intentional.
>>55292897Would have been based if you called them tyrants or explained how they were in direct contest with the constitution and were a rogue agency
>>55292897did this do anything other than piss them off?>>55292899I really don't know. my guess is that its due to the sheer number of form 4s they get compared to form 1s. my form has probably sat in a box for 11 months and will sit in a box for another one or two. they'll pull it out and get my shit done in like 20 minutes then move on to the next one.that's my guess at least.I'm getting a little fat :\ fucking dirty bulk.
>>55292964>>55292967It's not to the ATF, its to DOJ
>>55292975Explain. You mean the fbi specifically? Or what?
>>55292883If I make a reddit account to post your stuff on r/gunaccessoriesforsale just to help you sell your upper will you stop posting?
>>55292901what happened to silenershop and capital armory?>>55292942on idea why, they are kinda 'meh' as an upgrade except for situations that would be waaaaaaaaaaaay out of control.
>>55292985The FBI does the background checks for the ATF. The ATF claims that part of the holdup is the FBI conducting those background checks for your forms. But in the time since I submitted my form 4, I've had 2 form 1s approved. So background checks are flowing.
>>55292597It's a restrictor over the gas port similar to the SCAR, except it's on a "barrel" that rotates. Just cuts out the jet middle man. Very similar in function to SCAR selector, just more settings. I guess you could say that because it uses a single, smaller port for a particular setting that it might fill that setting with lead faster. I've cleaned the selector once on my 7.62x39 barrel because lrbho wasn't 100% on my desired setting. That's after several years of steel case though, and nothing stops you from bumping it to the next setting until you get an opportunity to clean it and restore the soft shooting. Moving between gas settings is similar AR buffer tuning, each setting is like stepping up or down between weights>>55292617>XCR anonOwns same gun 10yrs+, satisfied with his magic underwear FNC modernization>vicSells 416, unhappy with project guns, hopes SCAR will bring him firearm happinessI hope it works out for you. I'm kind of underwhelmed by the lack of development the SCAR has seen. It could be the best, but FN seems allergic to feedback. Other than support and a better design, what do you expect the 16 to do for you better than the 416? Finer can/setup tuning?At least we can all agree the mcx is a hot pile of steaming bear feces
I fell for the Witt Machine SME meme and put it on my 10.5" SBR and took it out shooting last weekend. Now the gun does one of two things when fired:> With the blastcan off, using just the brake, the gun has a concussive force that is obnoxiously intense enough to literally shake my teeth when I fire itor> With the blastcan on, the gun has significantly less felt volume/concussive force, becomes a dream to shoot, and as a bonus it spits out fireballsI know that conventional logic dictates that the only worthwhile muzzle device on a 10.5" barrel is a birdcage (if you're poor) or a suppressor (if you're not), but fuck me the gun is so much fun to shoot now.
>>55293015My dad was happy with this gun for 14 years, does that make it good? No it doesn't. >you expect the 16 to do for you better than the 416?You know I've owned a SCAR before? I only sold it because the things needed to make it fit my needs didn't exist yet.
>>55292948I agree with pretty much everything you're saying. I think they are intentionally gumming up the shit, also look at what they are doing with braces now after before being cool with them for years even saying you can shoulder them, also 80% receivers, when again for years, they were fine with them. There is a huge push for trying to take guns and make it harder to own and use them, especially sbr's, suppressors. They don't want us to have the same toys as them, but I also think they are trying to convince the public that they need the ATF to exist, when right now there are some big legal precedents going directly against that and showing their overreach and unconstitutional bullshit that they and other states have been getting away with for years.
Is this the best way to build a 416 clone?
>>55293011They claim that the their is no background check for form 1's and that's why its faster, because you've already undergone a background check to possess said item before it becoming an NFA item. Which still raises the question, what the fuck is the point of the background check then if its the same as a fucking NICS background check???
>>55293154I know this, and I'm setting the table of my complaint by getting to that point. If they say that, in writing, I'll move onto your point.
>>55292948The problem though to me with that, and admittedly often people and organizations do short sighted emotional things for political points that's very true on all sides, but still gun controllers should want the ATF NFA process to be good. A lot of their most realistic path forward, and in principle not even something that bad, would be to have a lot more regulation and checks and so on. That'd be a lot easier to get done if they could point to the NFA process now being super smooth. It's a perfect place to show a naturally suspicious crowd how well government could work. Suppressors and SBRs aren't even things that actually aid shit like mass shootings, people going through the stamp process are demonstrably some of the most law abiding citizens, it should be low hanging fruit. "Government can work and work well" is theoretically something right in the Democrats' wheelhouse even, or at least in the moderate wing. Sabotaging that is fucking stupid. Pointless. And yeah last Administration was also full of stupid point scoring and posturing shit that actively harmed causes they were theoretically for, but fucking hell.>>55292988>what happened to silenershop and capital armory?SS fucked up their software process and weren't transparent about it, so basically for every single form submitted through them from November-early February they just sat on it and accumulated them, then dumped all of them on the ATF in one big drop at once. Which then had a lot of ripple effects.CA used the same signature for every form rather then having the manager or authorized agent or whatever it was do it each time which is what is supposed to happen so ATF just group denied all of them.Other outfits have made various lesser screw ups but that's normal for something brand new. The big players blowing it is more irritating since that's supposed to be their specialty in theory.
>>55291738What's the most decent HK upper? Is the A5 that more of an improvement on the regular HK416 upper?
>>55292988>>55292988>what happened to silenershop and capital armory?They saved up months and months worth of eform 4's in a bundle then dropped them all at one time on the ATF. Causing a huge backlog to be created in less than 24 hours.
>>55293011>The ATF claims that part of the holdup is the FBI conducting those background checks for your formsWhat I remember is it was more complicated then that and was more on the ATF. Basically they initially were submitted the check instantly as soon as they got any eform. But checks are only valid for 30 days by law so that was fucking stupid, because they rapidly fell behind particularly after the big dump so then suddenly they were getting into march and all these eforms they hadn't touched yet were having all background checks expire and would have to do it fucking again. So they ran around like headless chickens and skipped to April for a while, now I guess they only submit when they're getting to them or something? Huge stupid ass cluster fuck upon cluster fuck.
>>55292942>My honest to god theory, is they genuinely don't want us to own suppressors, so they are deliberately making the process as difficult and drawn out as possible to discourage many from owning NFA itemsNo fucking duh>>55292948take some new pictures I'm so sick of seeing these every thread
>>55291955I have the 3x micro on a PCC and the 2.5x GLx on my AR. GLx is the better optic, nicer glass and the useable eyebox is massive. The micro eyebox feels lackluster by comparison but its form factor goes great with my backpacking plinker. If it's physically possible to build a GLx-tier micro for $300-400 I'd be over the moon.
>>55291738in 2022 is buying a holographic sight stupid? I know the aimpoint T2 is the meta, but I am curious. If people are still buying holos, what sights should one look at? The huey looks neat, but I'm not exactly a fan of vortex.
>>55293318huey is neat for a week then u regret ur purchase
>>55293318Are you making a clone and do you intend on shooting your rifle with night vision? If so then get a holographic.
>>55292006some 5 dollar a twelver seltzer from trader joes. I'm livin it up
>>55293362fug okay.>>55293391No clone; and yes, I do plan on using it with NV.
>>55293318I think eotechs are only acceptable if you have a gun with a T2 already
>>55293256>Take some new picturesOk I will. Maybe later, I'm playing assassin's Creed unity
Is it possible to run a ssf trigger in an ar?
>>55293505yes it will work in any ar lower
>>55291738>When Primary Arms releases their platinum series prism opticCan't wait.
>>55293439That makes sense I guess.
>>55293541TriggrCon 2022 will be the public announcement Release window is late 2022-early 2023
>>55293050Yeah. That's what I mean, what's different with the 16 now vs before? NRCH, MLOK fore-end?>>55293318Might be worth waiting on a gen3 uh1 to see if they fix the coating and add shake awake, otherwise 0 issues with my sample size of 2
>>55293723iirc it's because the kiji came out so now he doesn't need an all in one LAM at 12 o clock.
>>55293739Ah yeah I can see that. Shame the ctf thing doesn't have constant on
>>55293723Kiji, better tape switches, different forend options. And I've spent a year shooting suppressed DI shit to realize that pistons are better, and then some time shooting the 416 to realize that the SCAR is better and now with the things up top its tenable
>>55293751>Shame the ctf thing doesn't have constant onYou can say that again. Beams are still a ways off for me so hopefully something cool will come out before it's time to take the plunge.
For form 1'ing an sbr does anybody here do their own prints? how hard/easy is it? Also do you guys actually mail out the CLEO copy to you're local CLEO? Or just ignore it?
>>55293771Are you going to mount it inline with the bore and light offset above? Use the Arisaka pic rail scout mount for the light?
>>55294038easy peasy and yes
>>55294041I haven't decided yet. I don't think I'm going to run a permanent white light though, just a 300 body that I swap heads out on between a scout head and the kiji
>>55294072Okay fuck it, I'll do my own prints. Is there any good instructional videos that I can watch to help guide me?
>>55294119Spirit gum & your toes.
>>55294500>he doesnt know
>>55294508well I'm asking.
Oh yeah a lot of the arg shitposts come from this fag from hg who loves to ruin our threads and even a lot of hg dudes hate him.
>>55294548Dude has a trip in hg threads but turns it off to ruin arg it's actually sad.
>>55294512yeah there ssome guides on youtube and posts on google. relatively simple but also kinda hard since each fuckup is another card that is wasted
>>55294548i think this is him right now>>55294467
>>55294633Pretty sure that's fishfoot.
>>55294512I'm fuckin' around. I don't know either. I'm assuming you take prints with spirit gum(some halloween shit to dry and pull other prints), and use your toes to run form 1 prints. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>>55294548I don't get shit shit. This is the same person that won't let you merge on a highway when there is road work.
>>55294688Well it's too late for that, I've already given them my prints for suppressors n shit. But had I known that I'd of done it lol.
>>55294669i am the finger print replier but im not sure if you’re implying im the other poster because nah
Fuck bros, it's not done, still have some fucking around to do with it. I didn't think that the MK12 gas block might not fit under the lower handguard until I installed the fucking thing. I had to remove a bunch of material on the bottom of it. Also the guy who sold me the rail didn't give two of the four pieces of hardware. FML.
>>55295022id be livid
>>55295078Well, I'm considering on asking him wtf happened to the other two, but considering that the two that were there were carefully threaded into the rail, I'm assuming he didn't forget them but he either never had them and neglected to say, or lost them and neglected to say, rather than just forgot to include them. I checked and they're not available anywhere online, so I'm gonna be searching bins at the fucking hardware store for something that will work. Overall though I really like the URX3.1 so far. I've shot with a few on SBRs but never the long version.
I don't know if that anon is here that was looking for a 14.5 KAC but I found one for sale for a decent price. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/-WTS-Knights-Armament-KAC-14-5-Upper/159-2290018/
>>55294998Nevermind I thought fishy was the fingerprint rascal.
>>55295022>>55295148the bolts are in every single rail panel kit
NY anon the pic gbrs mount seems to be even with the LAM mount in front of it, meaning i should probably keep the regular height mount for any optic that isnt lower 1/3rd unless i want to see nothing but rear end of my peq through the glass. was kinda hoping for it to be higher like the micro mount one is
>technically day 2 even though the office isnt open yetwhy havent i been approved yet i might call them and see whats up
>>55292420They will drop a bomb on your ass from miles away. They used a robot with explosives to take out a BLM nigger who got too uppity and they didn't care about leveling and an entire building to get one monkey. What do you think they'll do to "le Nazi tramp soporter" innawoods who has zero media backing and universal hate across media, academia, and politics? The only reason the Taliban we're successful is because A: The USA didn't push to the hardest extent it possibly could and B: The Taliban are a hardy bunch born into a life of tribal warfare and death. With an unquestionable belief that if they die for Allah they get rewarded with insane amounts of pussy.Here in the USA we have weak men who look like they can barely hold up their gear, who have probably never even been in a fist fight their entire lives, who's entire personality is derived from (((video games))) and (((movies))) they grew up watching as kids. If you really truly cared about fighting the enemy, whoever you think that is, you'd know that precision/hunting rifles, assassinations, IEDs, etc is the way to go. But yeah go ahead and call me a fed for literally stating the best way to fight the fed while you want us in an open field playing soldier against next gen thermal and night vision where guided weaponry can turn us into swiss cheese.
>>55295944>zero media backingHe has us
>>55296308Nothing beats the power of friendship
>>55296363I could’ve prevented 9/11 if New York wasn’t such a shithole
>>55295022How do people put up with having this much bullshit on the front of their gun? It's it super heavy and lopsided toward the front?
>>55295148Damn, when did this whole c-section front sight meta begin? I blinked and missed the christmas tree optic mount trend. I mist be getting old.
>>55292006Ya daddies dick juice
>>55296505Where the fuck else are you going to put it retard
>>55296545You could choose not to put it at all?
>>55296553Fuck off faggot.
>>55296553Ok you are a nigger thanks
>>55296565>>55296610Why? Isn't there merit to having a light comfy simple rifle? How often do you even end up shooting in the dark that you need fuckhuge flashlights and shit?
>>55296734You better not finish spelling that word.
>>55296695This. No honest man needs to be out and about at night, and if you're at home, you can just turn the lights on duh.
>>55294548So /hg/ is like his whole life and he wants some kind of rivalry between the generals? What a fucking loser lol.dm4pp
>>55295371I think it is meant for the EXPS with the built in lower 1/3rd height. I am switching my T2 onto the ngrs mount anyway because I just bought a CompM5 for my more serious upper. Switching all the components to black too because apparently FDE is illegal in NY
>>55294555>>55294548Those posts are from 2019. Have anything more recent? Monster mike seems to be the one doing most of the damage these days
>>55296842How am I supposed to rape in broad daylight
>>55296967Dude was shit talking last night that's why I posted it.
>>55296980Isn't that woody?
>>55296980Those posts are from 2019 and 2020 respectively. Shut the fuck up you fat fucking retard. Go outside and come back when you have an HK bolt.
>>55296980>canuck generalWait a second is this the gay canadian that threw a shitfit over a furry for an entire thread and also tries to impress us by calling moot lugage lad and spouts other random 4chan trivia?
>>55296967You don’t actually know it’s mike doing that. And from the posting styles some of them definitely aren’t him.
>>55297025No he is American and has been ruining arg for years I forgot about him until last night when he was starting shit in the hg thread.
>>55297049Interesting find fatshit. What gun does he have and post here so we can recognize him?
>>55296967>Monster mikeHer cock is that big? ,
>>55297062Why would you think he posts guns here if he specifically comes to start shit? He's probably one of the ones that never posts a gun.
>>55297092Yeah he is one of the ones who doesn't post guns kinda sad actually.
>>55297092I don't know. Seems pretty suspicious you there not posting gun... Mike.
The 1x on an elcan or at least my elcan absolutely sucks ass and there is no way around it but not for the reasons you'd think. I can deal with the eye box and eye relief with absolutely no problem but the 6 MOA dot and the parallax is horrific. If I'm not looking at it dead center my target looks like a shotgun blast at 50yds. If I turn off the red dot and just use the etched reticle it's fine. In 4x with red dot on I can shoot sub MOA groups all day long. I'm trying to narrow down my options here. >buy acro saddle and stack a T2 on elcan>sell elcan, buy TA02 and stack a T2 What should I do bros?
>>5529710699% of the shit you post, you don't own.
>>55297228They're starting early today skelly. It's going to be a long day.
>>55296969You better be quick or very handsome
Gay pee piSS
>>55297198all your options are gonna be pretty shitty compromises, if it was me I'd just go with an lpvo with a top dot
>>55297252Fear not we shall prevail.>>55297244Howdy darlin' We cowboys today.
>>55297309Oh, I'd post a pic of me pointing a gun but I'm posting from my phone....
>>55297331Give us more info S.E.G.
>>55297244paid the toll
>>55295022i bought mine new and it only came with 2 bolts. there's a bunch in the panel kit though.