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Ukrainian intelligence service will receive 78 DJI Matrice 300 RTK drones for ₴56,160,000 - 30 drones already in Ukraine

Ukraine constantly buys Chinese drones and ask for donation of Chinese drones? I thought US has superior drone technology. But it seems DJI is the most popular drone in Ukraine war. What is going on?
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>>55278607
These are little walmart drones. They're all made in China like all the other cheap crap.

Fact is Ukraine prefers Turkish drones for true combat purposes, though it'd probably use Israeli if it were available to them. Western ones are seen as too expensive and overly complex to maintain, but as the war goes on I can see them operating them as well.
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>>55278607
they are cheap
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>>55278616
You are an idiot
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>>55278607
Vatnik sweet and sour is delicious. Especially if they're seething.
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>>55278616
fbps also
>>55278620
im amazed you didn't call him retarded, since that's all you ever seem to say, so thanks for keeping it civil
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>>55278607

Easy to use, cheap, user friendly interface, expendable.

Western drones are just too expensive and hard to replace. Also fixing them is harder as unlike Chinese drones there aren't boatloads of available spar parts on the civilian market.
Also most Ukrainians are now very familiar with these drones and would need to change some of their flying habits moving on a different platform.

The disadvantage of the Chinese drones is that they are the easiest to defeat using EW and they aren't really made for military use so there are no easy programs to have them connect to artillery and pinpoint fire coordinates automatically for example.

Anyway there aren't many western drone manufacturers that can mass produce the amounts that the Ukrainians want.

Nonetheless it is very bad for the west to be losing the commercial drone market to China as those companies will likely one day make the drones that will try to kill Nato soldiers.
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Those are civilian drones and DJI is the best at those
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>>55278607
DJI were the most popular drones pre war too.
They just cornered the market, and being based in china means it's both cheap AND has all the talent.
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>>55278607
because they're cheap as fuck, can carry a VOG or 6 and is available on a squad level, the good shit they use is usually turkish
don't think the americans have given any of their drones yet, i'm admittedly not well versed in this so i could be wrong
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Ist just a matter of time until we will have a terrorist attack caused by one of these drones. Shit will get banned fast.
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>>55278607
DJI ran away with the small commercial drone market years ago. They keep reinvesting so their drone's stats are better in all directions. Ukraine might want to buy a shittier drone from a non-Russian aligned country because enemy risk, but atm Chinese seems to be about money. So - best price drones or rotted legacy milcomplex Mutt abortions which are both overpriced and unrefined due to their inherent non-commercial competitiveness. Which will it be?
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>>55278704
Only switchblades
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Literally because they are cheap and they work. The only thing is that the Chinese sends co-ordinates to the Russians whenever the things are activated.
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>>55278724
oh right i forgot those, in my mind i was thinking Reapers or Global Hawks
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>>55278714
See this? Subsidies can only take things back so far.
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Why can't America just say fuck it and build similarly cheap but reliable drones?
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>>55278767
America has far superior military drones, why would they want cheap drones made for civilians?
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>>55278792
So your squadmates an drop silly mortars on shitty insurgents heads without waiting for the stupid expensive predator.
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>>55278792
For export purposes: to deny market share to geopolitical allies, to have manufacturer level information over foreign military equipment, to sweeten diplomatic deals, and for more money
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>>55278639
Seems pretty logical to me, Chang.
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>>55278607

Ukrainians are FLEXIBLE.

If it works, they will use it. This is a war of national survival.
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>>55278607
Probably cheaper and easier to use
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>>55278616
>Turkish drones
Turkish drones are chinese, since china sold them their production lines.
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Impressive.

With this most recent achievement, fate has, in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. The blessings of Chinese plasma stealth technology, undetectable hypersonic combat vehicles, quantum direct-current electricity, neutrino submarine detectors, gamma titanium mono crystal turbines, quantum aircraft carriers, unmanned autonomous A.I. tanks, near-space ballistic air-to-air missiles, super light tanks, +2km range airburst rifles, quantum enhanced railguns, 5G Remote Surgery, magnetized plasma cannons, and QUANTUM SUPERALLOY DRONES will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.
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Only idiots buy overprized western crap.
It's inferior and a scam in all cases.
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>>55281166
Third worlder detected.
How does it feel to be poor?
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>>55278616
>Western ones are seen as too expensive and overly complex to maintain
And contain state of art tech that's too classified to export, like that Predator successor US was about to send and then went oh shit it's too hot
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>>55278607
Ukraines finances, price and availability of the product, there are many factors.
Also, why would anybody give Ukraine the best possible equipment if the second or third best is enough?
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>>55280805
>Turkish drones are chinese, since china sold them their production lines.
Turkish drones actively compete with Chink drones for customers, and in conflict zones beat them every time. Kazakhstan, Iraq, Algeria, etc have all been dumping Chinese drones for Turkish drones.

>>55282895
>And contain state of art tech that's too classified to export, like that Predator successor US was about to send and then went oh shit it's too hot

It could also be an issue of not wanting to risk them being taken down by air defense. That includes not just the risk of losing the tech, but the risk of losing face since US drones are far more expensive and you wouldn't want your enemy to find out their level of vulnerability.
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>>55278616
>NOO THEY ARE BUYING SUPERIOR AND CHEAPER DRONES FROM CHINA INSTEAD OF OVERPRICED AMERIMUTT CRAP BECAUSE ... FACT IS IN MY OPINION CHINA BAD
Cope harder Juan
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>>55278740
In the early days the Amerimutt regime spent bootloads of money to manufacture and astroturf weeks of "public outrage" and disnfo campaigns on Twitter and other Amerimutt state controlled social media, with their endless Amerimutt bot accounts, to hivemind Amerimutt bugmen and European libfags into protesting against DJI and demanding it to stop selling drones to Russia because both Ukraine and Russia were buying and using them over any other shit.

Thats how insecure Amerimutts were about DJI.
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>someone says something positive about the US and/or negative about China
>chinkout ensues
Everytime
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>>55278607
They are cheap and expendable so they can be used freely without fear of losing them.
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>>55278639
That was a very compelling and thought provoking argument. Your insights and explanation have persuaded me. Well done.
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>>55285902
>Turkish drones actively compete with Chink drones for customers
And? It's chinese ip, so china get a share of every sale anyway.
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>>55286877
It'd be really funny if the Turks just stole it
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>>55282895
>state of art tech
only large US drones. the tech is mostly in communication methods, propulsion efficiency, signature reduction, 360fov and fast AI scanning
>overly complex to maintain
another way of saying expensive to maintain. that is by design because it's a product whose primary purpose is to suck as much money as possible out of the customer for as long as possible. this main product feature is particularly refined when the product is from the west because western people are very smart and thus very good at that.
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>>55278767
>Why can't America just say fuck it and build similarly cheap but reliable drones?
when was the last time America was able to build cheap and reliable equipment?
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>>55286911
Stolen ip is just a myth.
Example: The so called Chinese stolen russian flanker design are acquired via tech transfer or licensed production.
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>>55286698
meds
now
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>>55287247
>China steal ip
That's just political game. That's why you only heard that from media and random vloggers but never from actual governments or companies representatives.

Industrial espionage tho, everyone does it not jsut China. NSA just recently hacked a Chinese military polytechnical university and got tracked.
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>>55278792
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, THEN KEEP YOUR NIGGER POLISHER SHUT YOU WORTHLESS LITTLE FAGGOT
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>>55287221
>Stolen ip is just a myth
>>55287337
>everyone does it
lol
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>>55278607
DJI is just the best
this is what happens when you outsource manufacturing
the design follows
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>>55288319
and by the design I mean the design talent. they do it better in a single generation
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>>55278607
>prefer
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Militaries around the world use the high-end commercial Chinese drones for ISR and the like. They're cheap, and work well.
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>>55278607
If I was US Intelligence, I probably wouldn't want my drones falling into Russian hands; I know the predators are old tech, but still. Much easier to buy them Turkdrones and Wishdrones since they seem to do so well with them anyway.
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>>55286877
> And? It's chinese ip, so china get a share of every sale anyway.
Source for this? Sounds like some Gayreek-Pajeet cope.

Why can't Gayreeks build the same drones then? How come Turkey has access to all the world's technologies, when Turkey's the one that gets sanctioned while Greece doesn't yet still can't build anything close?
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>>55286877
>>55280805

You made this up you retarded chink faggot
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>>55278607
>Ukraine constantly buys Chinese drones and ask for donation of Chinese drones?
Because it's made on wage-slave labor, therefore vastly cheaper than anything the US can make.
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OP is a little confused. What the US sells are UAVs not drones. A UAV is, essentially, a combat aircraft without a cockpit which makes them cheaper to buy and operate.

China also sells UAVs but that’s not what we’re talking about here. These are civilian quadcopter drones, basically toys but with a useful range. Favored because, being civilian toys, they’re very cheap and don’t need all sorts of export controls so customers can buy plenty and get them quickly. Very important for Ukraine’s ruined economy which just surviving on Western hand-outs.
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>>55285902
>Turkish drones actively compete with Chink drones for customers

China is very secretive of their actual military drones. The only ones who have them are either very close allies of fags who brought them from third parties like Ethiopia.
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>>55290531
Billions in profits and countless private islands jets and yachts are the reason they demand so much more money not living wages.
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Every single one of these will act as highly accurate spies... for RUSSIA.

DJI's proprietary software suite records and reports everything straight back to Beijing. Why do you think they went all out to capture the US market so early on? These are literally intelligence gathering machines for Chyna. If Ukraine doesn't realize the OPSEC violation here then they are absolute utter desperate retards.
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>>55290900
>China is very secretive of their actual military drones. The only ones who have them are either very close allies of fags who brought them from third parties like Ethiopia.
Yeah, and Turkey isn't reproducing Chinese drone tech. Greeks can't decide whether Turkish drones are made of Western parts, or Chinese IP, or both.
Fact is, Chinese drones and Turkish drones are completely separate. The Western components got sanctioned back in late 2020 as well, so most of those parts are domestic since.
If Turkey actually made drone deals with China, the Greco-Armenian lobby and their lawmakers in US Congress would jump at the first opportunity to pass more sanctions.
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>>55278607
>What is going on?
Those are small range recon drones, used to haras sometimes with tiny munitions.
They loose a lot of them, and need a lot of them.

One Ukrainian said a small drone like that usually lasts 2-3 weeks before its lost due to enemy action.
And that due to the enemy interference the drones range is usually half (or less) of usual range in peace time.

For more serious stuff they use agricultural drones, and for serious business they use military drones.


t. Polak who talked to a lot of Ukies
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>>55280850
>humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership
Literal Steam community copy pasta.
Invent a better Google alternative, then we'll be impressed.
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>>55278616
>These are little walmart drones
dji is a near monopoly on their field
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>>55278607
I personally think that the DJI Matrice 30 is much better for battlefield use since It can be folded and deployed like the DJI Mavics whilst still having the thermals and laser range finder of the larger Matrice 300: https://youtu.be/1ucIm6g9llg
>>55278616
DJI Matrice 300 RTK are not cheap retard. They cost between 9-10k each since they have thermals and integrated laser range finder: https://youtu.be/V-4Om_4n998
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>>55294154
>dji is a near monopoly on their field
This was entirely caused by western governments and agencies, especially the FAA. The second quad copters were a thing govts started over regulating them which crushed western companies. Open source quad copters were dominant in the west at first, DJI just stole all the software to make their early drones. It was impossible to make any complaints against them breaking GPL licenses and stuff because the USA guzzles CCP cum and wouldn't dare punish DJI for breaking IP rules. With billions in revenue they were able to achieve vertical integration to the point smaller manufacturers can no longer compete.
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>>55278616
Absolute kek, the TB2 has a range of only 150km whilst the Iranian Shahed 136 drones (which uses Chinese off the shelf parts) that Iran just gave to Russia have 2000km range and were already battle tested against Saudi targets defended with NATO SAMs:
https://youtu.be/i_ynRdprWWA
https://youtu.be/sWR8T-Saju0
The TB2 is a toy by comparison, in fact in Nagorno Kharabah war It was the Israeli Harops and Harpy's (which is what the Iranian drone is based off) that did most of the destruction of Armenian SAMs and positions whilst the TB2 took the glory being the one who filmed the process
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>>55278680
>they aren't really made for military use so there are no easy programs to have them connect to artillery and pinpoint fire coordinates automatically for example.
DJI Flighthub app literally allows sharing GPS coordinates via satellite map and the DJI Flighthub 2 It's literally a fancy and 3d version of Nett warrior: https://youtu.be/1ucIm6g9llg (start at 2:10)
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>>55278607
Just compare image quality and stabilization from DJI commercial drone and some US multi million military drone.
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>>55278825
We have those, they're called the Switchblade and other small loitering munitions. Ukraine repurposing DJI drones into weapons is akin to all the third worlders who turned a Toyota Hillux into a technical. The US doesn't bother with that because we can afford superior, purpose built stuff instead.
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>>55294002
Lurk moar
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>>55294601
Yeah but you can't click anywhere on the live view and let drone calculate approximate coordinates of that point. Some beta dji software had that option but it was never implemented in the end since chinks where probably scared those would be used to direct artillery fire and what not and that was even before all this .ua shit. idk if that is still option on dji commercial drones, maybe it is.
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>>55278714
>>55278607
Even US SOCOM was using DJI drones until DoD and Congress banned them and forced them to use an American made ones despite being much more expensive and having less features and worse software than the DJI drones:
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2706082/department-statement-on-dji-systems/
https://www.ft.com/content/dd2e936e-5934-49f1-8aa6-29dea9a41b18
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>>55294554
>Absolute kek, the TB2 has a range of only 150km
The pre-2021 TB2 had ~150km range. The updated version has ~300km range.

>the Iranian Shahed 136 drones that Iran just gave to Russia have 2000km range
That's because it's linked to Russian satellite, which gives it much greater coverage.
The TB2S is also linked to satellite. Turkey just doesn't export the TB2S yet. It has exported the TAI Anka-S though, namely to Tunisia and Kazakhstan.
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>>55278607
We really need to have more weaponized drones threads guys, it's becoming quite apparent that these things are highly valuable in war. Time to update our arsenals and equipment.
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>>55278620
And they offer more features: >>55294668
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>>55294668
>Pentagon drones ‘8 to 14 times’ costlier than banned Chinese craft
Imagine the profit margins on those things once you ban the competition through governmental decree.
Same happened to 5G equipment, Huawei was actually more expensive that usual Ericsson whatever since it was more technologically advanced but now that they're banned Ericsson and other western manufacturers doubled their prices.
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>>55294519
you do realise that besides the kernel everything else in open source on dji right?
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>>55278607
Fact of the matter is, America does not have a consumer electronics industry. Neither does Europe.

China is the go to for consumer goods. Consumer goods which can be converted to war machines on the go. War is won with supplies and logistics.

America won WWII through mass production. Russians won with mass conscriptions. China won wars with mass production for the last 2000+ years (minus the last 200 years when Qing was failing)

Mass production of guns, artilleries, drones, aircrafts, missiles, ships, etc.
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>>55294897
>Neither does Europe.
Europe kinda has with factories in Poland tho they're mostly just doing assembly with Chinese components of low tech products like stoves, washing machines and shit like that.
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>>55294897
The world's factories are in China.

All the smartphone in the world have parts or whole made in China. iPhones/iPads are sold nearly billion a year. Its all China.
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>>55278616
Moron

>>55278670
Retard
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>>55294897
>Fact of the matter is, America does not have a consumer electronics industry. Neither does Europe.
The US doesn't, but there are consumer electronics factories in parts of Eastern Europe—namely Poland, Hungary, Romania and Russia—as well as Germany. Just google ["Appliances" "Made in Germany"]

The largest manufacturer in Romania is Arctic S.A. which is owned by Arcelik, which is a Turkish conglomerate, and Turkey is the second-largest "white goods" manufacturer outside of China.
https://plasteurope.com/news/WHITE_GOODS_TURKEY_t248404/

Since we're speaking about production and outsourcing, countries like Portugal, Spain and Italy still have clothing and shoe manufacturing for the mass-market. The US doesn't even have that. Everything has been outsourced to either Asia or Latin America.
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>>55278680
You’ve never flown a bigbux drone, especially a DJI, have you? They’re significantly more advanced than all these bullshit military pork projects.
China truly is king in this field.
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>>55278680
The money money the Chinese get now, the more it helps them grow/profit, which is to fund for better military drones for China
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>>55278704
Dumb. Both sides use DJI because of their excellent optical performance, endurance, and easy of control.
These are used for battlefield recon and target direction. DJIs outnumber turk drones in theater 200 to 1.
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>>55278767
Because we can’t. Same reason china can’t build EUV machines and Intel can’t achieve 5nm. Economy of scale.
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>>55285902
> Kazakhstan, Iraq, Algeria, etc have all been dumping Chinese drones for Turkish drones.
Iraq did not.
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>>55286761
>every time mutts act retarded
Ftfy, muttard
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>>55295180
> Iraq did not.
They haven't ordered yet, but they have expressed they will.

https://dailysabah.com/business/defense/iraq-may-become-2nd-neighbor-to-buy-turkish-combat-drones
https://globaldefensecorp.com/2021/12/13/iraq-allocates-100-million-for-turkish-drones/
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>>55290611
> These are civilian quadcopter drones, basically toys but with a useful range.
You don’t know wtf you’re talking about. These fucking bigboi dji drones far exceed the capability of military low altitude drones in all areas except endurance.
You have no fucking idea how fucking advanced these things are.
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>>55292594
Fake and gay.
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>>55278607
RTK is solid positioning technology.

Imagine being able to position your drone anywhere you want +/- 10cm for X&Y, +/-30cm Z on a bad day.

Now imagine you used those to direct fire.
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>>55294519
You don’t know wtf you’re talking about.
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>>55294614
Dumbass
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>>55294843
That nigtard doesn’t even know what a kernel is.
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>>55295267
Strong argument, champ.
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are china drones bugged ?
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>>55295204
So I’m right and you’re wrong.
Thanks for admitting that, chud.
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>>55295283
Have you ever flown anywhere in the 5 digit USD from dji?
You’re a fucking moron.
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>>55295311
Have you flown a switchblade or any one of the other purpose built military drones the US army has procured? Do you not understand the US doesn't have to put bombs on the Cesna that is a DJI drone and instead has entire systems built from the ground up to operate in an strong EW environment?
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>>55295303
>So I’m right and you’re wrong.
Never said Iraq had bought it already. Just that they're dumping Chinese drones for Turkish.

>Thanks for admitting that, chud.
Enjoy your prize.
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>>55295361
Do you even fucking know how the djis are used? They’re ISR drones. Switchblades are retarded DOD porkbarrel projects “envisioned” for some bullshit scenario wholly unsuited to ukr
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>>55278767
Because we sent our manufacturing base to China for reasons I will never understand.
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>>55295507
You don’t get it because you’re dumb.
But that’s not the reason why you can’t compete against dji even with federal gov subsidies.
The reason is first mover advantage and economy of scale.
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>>55295524
Yes it's just a coincidence that China got first mover advantage and economies of scale after we sent our manufacturing base there, there's definitely no link between the two.
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>>55295302
DJI will have a CCP official on the company board and the CCP will be able to harvest any data DJI acquires through the use of their drones.
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>>55295533
Are you fucking retarded? You didn’t even send your manufacturing base to China. You sent it to mexico. How much electronics manufacturing was left in the US when China entered the WTO in 2001?
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>>55295543
Fake and gay.
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>>55295548
Go back
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>>55295544
The US started sending manufacturing of low-tech goods overseas IN GENERAL in the 80s and 90s, then between the 90s and 2000s, the US along with other countries (including South Korea, Japan and Hong Kong) started sending it to China specifically.

Sneakers in the US back in the day would often say Made in Korea, and electronics would say Japan and Hong Kong, but then they started outsourcing too. The quality of US clothing brands went really downhill in the 2000s as well, partly because of China and partly because of planned obsolescence.
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>>55278607
A Chinese commercial drone is like a truck. A military drone is like a tank.
The cost is wildly different, and so are their uses. Both have a part to play on the battlefield.
Comparing the two is dumb.
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>>55295544
Very little actually got sent to Mexico, this is a myth. The vast majority went to China.
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>>55295560
Hong Kong didn’t have much of an industry from the 2000s onward.
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>>55295544
Adidas/Nike was made in China
Old Navy were made in China
Apple was made in China
Both AMD/Nvidia was made in China

China went from low tech textile goods to high tech goods.

90% of global smartphones are made in China.
90% of global electronics are made in China
90% of computer parts are made in China
90% of laptops are made in China.
Hyperbole, but you get the picture.
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>>55278607
aint that impressive
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Are there any good american quadcopters? Is some retarded chinaman arguing ITT that consumer DJI dogshit is on the same level as actual UCAVs? The fact that Russians can't jam some toys with public, fixed frequency ranges only says something about russians
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>>55295808
Consumer DJI are better.

Thats the problem.

You can buy 100 of consumer DJI and equip them each with a grenade to kill 100 people.

For the same price as a single US made "UCAV" which has less carry capacity/less battery/less range/etc.

Expensive toys have no place in war. They just become easy target and become hard to acquire.
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>>55295905
100 units with DJI drones
vs
1 unit with 1 UCAV drone

100 missions with 90% success rate
vs
1 mission with 99% success rate
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>>55295708
China has never made high tech goods.
The high paying jobs making patented camera lenses requiring substantial IP are in Japan.
The high paying jobs making patented phone touchscreens requiring substantial IP are in Korea.
The high paying jobs making patented sensor components requiring substantial IP are in the US.
Etc etc.
The low paying jobs requiring no IP or intellect where you take the high tech parts and solder them together is in China. In factories owned by a Taiwanese company.
China has NEVER produced any substantial quantity of advanced tech, gotta remember that.
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>>55295928
Except you're using Chinese made iPhones. Not only that, Apple intends to use the Chinese government tied computer chips for their new iPhone 14.
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>>55295928
True for the most part, but they have been changing that slowly over the past few years with their phone and internet tech businesses. I think by 2030 they'll have more hi-tech capabilities.

So it's not something you can just ignore because that seems to be something China wants governments to do.
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>>55295947
China can't do shit about chips without western tech:
> https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/23/inside-asml-the-company-advanced-chipmakers-use-for-euv-lithography.html
All the key top technology in the world, from jet engines to computing is in western hands by design. Their native industry is perpetually a decade behind at best.
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>>55296032
Like the opposable thumbs of a human, gunpowders/compass/paper currency, that was thought to make humans unique, techs that others see as unique will make their way into China at an ever increasing pace.

Its not an "IF" but a when.
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>>55296120
Tech doesn't matter if they don't have the right mindset and society.
Ancient romans could have invented the industrial revolution, but their economy was too tied to slaves. China had gunpowder and a strong navy before the west and wasted it in internal strife. Note how ukrainians after barely a decade of being into the western mindset are using consumer chinese drones way better than the actual PLA.
Current chinese society, like the russians, is too corrupt and mind broken to allow true advanced technological development that can only happen in a westernized society. They can be better in isolated areas, but they'll be always behind in general terms.
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>>55296032
China has been buying out companies around the world. They bought out an Italian drone company a few years ago. They bought out a UK chip manufacturer recently, that the UK is now debating whether to halt or not.

They have spies and collaborators in businesses and academies around the world who feeds them info. They steal know-how from outsourcers who hire them. We've seen China make insane strides over the past 10 and 20 years, and it's likely we'll see them do the same going forward.
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>>55296254
>Tech doesn't matter if they don't have the right mindset and society.
>Ancient romans could have invented the industrial revolution, but their economy was too tied to slaves. China had gunpowder and a strong navy before the west and wasted it in internal strife.

This is only relevant AFTER they supposedly defeat the rest of the world. Until then, they can just keep copying and copying. That's how they became #2 economy.
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>>55296120
Implessive.

With this most recent achievement, fate has, in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world.

The blessings of Chinese hypersaturised turnpin computing and concretium superstructures will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.
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>>55296261
Sure, but they'll still be behind the West unless they become like us, which would mean we won anyway.
All the stuff they copy or steal means nothing if they need to keep doing it because their society punishes innovation and rewards cheaters, so they never create really unique tech or science that nobody else has.
>>55296276
They can't become #1 just by copying western tech without our societal structures that are the reason for its success. The "lack of NCOs" is not just a military problem in Russia and China, it's also a civilian one. You need actual professionals and not just courtiers to get shit done.
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>>55296261
Bought out a German advanced robotics company too, it kicked up a massive fuss. Germany has finally realised that trading with China was a historic mistake as they just copy and steal market share.
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>>55296353
>All the stuff they copy or steal means nothing if they need to keep doing it because their society punishes innovation and rewards cheaters, so they never create really unique tech or science that nobody else has.
Bullshit, they will still create things that are a function of their society and what it requires. Like a DNA database based organ harvesting operation. It's still innovation.
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>>55296382
>It's still innovation.
>innovation
China doesn't get to be the one to determine that, though. If they were innovative they wouldn't be playing catch-up. They don't even come close to what Japan did in the late 20th century.
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>>55296353
>Sure, but they'll still be behind the West unless they become like us, which would mean we won anyway.
>They can't become #1 just by copying western tech without our societal structures that are the reason for its success.

You do know that Rome collapsed right? It didn't out-compete the barbarians, it fell to them.
So just because China is shit creatively doesn't mean they can't overpower others. They've already managed to overpower most countries in Asia and the wider world, except a handful.
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>>55296354
>Bought out a German advanced robotics company too, it kicked up a massive fuss. Germany has finally realised that trading with China was a historic mistake as they just copy and steal market share.

China almost bought Motor Sich, the largest aerospace manufacturer in Ukraine and one of the main companies in the space worldwide, and the last president Petro Poroshenko agreed to it.
It's only Zelensky that put a halt to it, likely after being ordered by Turkey.

Dec 2021:
> https://scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3157936/chinas-skyrizon-takes-ukraine-hague-over-failed-motor-sich-bid
> https://kyivindependent.com/business/chinas-skyrizon-sues-ukrainian-government-for-4-5-billion-over-failed-motor-sich-bid
Aug 2022
> https://breitbart.com/national-security/2022/08/31/ukraine-company-zelensky-saved-chinese-takeover-supplying-turkish-drone-makers/
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>>55278607
USA has fallen way behind in technology level of superior communist People's republic of China!
USA still has a bit lead in only data monitoring and in propaganda term because of the prevailing and dominating social networks - google, facbook yt and so on.
On every other level USA has fallen. Once the US dollar is no longer preferred currency to buy petrol it is over for the USA.
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>>55296461
Rome and Bizantium later fell due to internal corruption and strife, and an unsustainable economic model. The barbarians and the turks were just there to take advantadge of their weakness.
>They've already managed to overpower most countries in Asia and the wider world, except a handful.
Bullshit. China is surrounded by countries that dislike them, and can't start shit without the US Navy severing their main supply of oil from the Middle East. Even in their South America and Africa colonial attempts, they've been suffering setbacks because they eventually anger the locals by stupidly bringing chinese workers.

The West can only lose their leading world hegemony why self-destroying ourselves, and that's why Russia has been playing the subversion game just like the soviets and the czars did before.
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Impressive.

With this most recent achievement, fate has, in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world.

The blessings of Chinese polygonical airfighters and near-space ballistic air-to-air missiles will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.
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>>55295928
You’re a fucking moron
>>55295964
No, true for very little parts
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>>55296032
Cool. Now tell me the specialty node size of the stuff in the F35. Hint: it’s not 5nm.
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>>55278607
DJI are the biggest manufacturer for small commercial drones on the planet, and the most cost-efficient one. Simple as.
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>>55278735
>The only thing is that the Chinese sends co-ordinates to the Russians whenever the things are activated.

Doesn't seem that way with how succesfully they are being used.
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>>55278767
Because the ability to mass produce cheap, reliable and high-quality ANYTHING takes an experienced, matured supply chain setup and workforce. That's something that takes years, sometimes decades, to create. And throwing more money at it will only speed it up slightly.

The whole reason China is remaining so dominant in manufacturing despite their rising wages now is because they've spent the last ~30 years building up those supply chains, experienced workforce and the infrastructure to keep it all going.
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>Bullshit. China is surrounded by countries that dislike them, and can't start shit without the US Navy severing their main supply of oil from the Middle East.

Most countries in Asia do hate China but that's irrelevant, especially when we're talking about them stealing and copying tech in their rise to ascendance.
And besides, majority of countries in the world hate the US as well, but that's never deterred the US because opinions matter less when it comes to brute force.

>Rome and Bizantium later fell due to internal corruption and strife, and an unsustainable economic model.

And what do you call countries that are sending or selling all their domestic industries to China?
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>>55299361
I thought Chongpongwongs are meant to be good at debating and can come up with reasonable counter arguments.
Or are you admitting China does not have, never had, and never will have any genuine intellectual property of technological value.
The entire nation will only EVER be a dirty toxic low skill assembly plant for soldering high tech components, made in actual civilised countries, into shitty plastic shells.
You will never produce a commercially competitive microchip below 64nm. You can only ever pump out low efficiency 14nm chips at more than 100 times market value as vanity projects.
You will never produce a commercially viable jet engine. You can only ever pray that Russians still sell you engines to shittily reverse engineer for the next generation of J-whatever memeplanes. Even a commercial Rolls Royce engine is too advanced for you chinksects to reverse engineer.
You cannot even produce a fucking toy robot dog until US IP holders made the patent open source. Which of course your army shittily copied and claim it is competitive against Boston Dynamics.
Admit it, chinks are tech virgins and always will be. There will never be any great technological breakthrough from China, no spark of curiosity, no exhilaration of discovery.
There will only ever be soldering sweatshops, garbage-tier reverse engineering of last gen tech, and endless insecurity about how the chink education system can only produce the equivalent of $6 pocket calculators, rather than creative and thinking human beings.
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>>55286761
>NOOO STOP POINTING OUT MY SCREECHING IS A COMPLETELY RETARDED NON-ARGUMENT. I WANNA SHITPOST ABOUT CHINA! FEDS PLZ CENSOR THIS WRONGTHINK!
>starts samefagging
>unoriginalmuttmeme.jpg
Called it.
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Its hillarious when subhuman Amerimutt bugmen dump their illiterate muttrage posts about "Chinas IP theft" and "lack of innovation", while broadly claiming intellectual property on everything Amerimutts stole and wish they could have stolen from Europe but failed because Amerimutts dont understand half of the tech they steal from white people and literally have to ship over white people to explain them how a rocket works. Of course on top of Amerimutt cangaroo courts constantly rewarding fradulent IP rights to Amerimutt IP thieves and trolls shamelessly copying and stealing not just international blueprints, schematics and code but literal public domain knowledge.

Only for the angry muttoid to go back importing ballpointpen balls from Swiss and looting baby formula from German stores, because Amerimutts literally have to hold a gun (of course also copied from Europe) against peoples head to force them to buy Amerimutt crap since the country finally moved on from being Europes cotton picking niggers after a century of handouts from white people.
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>>55295928
>China has never made high tech goods.

LMAO, you been under a rock for the last ~20 years?
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>>55296254
>way better than the actual PLA

LMAO

China is more westernized than the West these days.
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>>55296406
>If they were innovative they wouldn't be playing catch-up.

...that is literally not how that works, you absolute retard.

Oh, and fun fact? The Chinese are in fact already world leaders in quite afew fields, and it's "The West" who are trying to play catch-up in those.
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>>55296254
Retarded Bullshit
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>>55296406
Lol
So what’s the US doing about 5G? Just to not compete? Lol.
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>>55296489
> It's only Zelensky that put a halt to it
After significant US pressure.
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>>55299655
You’re fucking retarded.
Stfu, gtfo, and kys.
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>>55295115
Same in America and mexico, it's not relevant though. "mase in USA with global components" is just made in China aside from final assembly. Not relevant for some kind of total war scenario.
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>>55294897
It's because it's currently impossible to compete with slave labor. You literally can't have a market for us made cell phones when a Chinese cell phone costs 50 dollars.
That being said. Most of the money and r&d is stateside or european- meaning that if needed too factories could spool up to accommodate, but it would mean a rough decade for consumers
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>>55299549
>remaining so dominant
They're not though. They've been losing market share for the last decade
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>>55278607
>buys chinese drones
>doesn't know about motherboard bugs preinstalled at the factory
>chinese send the russians the drone and user data
>no limits frenship applies
>ukroids dont know they operate a homing beacon
>russian artillery zeroes in
sounds about right.
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>>55278705
literally not my problem. american niggers kill more people in a day than any islamist has in years. it isn't a problem, nor is it going to be without manufactured cloutrage like 'muh ar15 is a weapon of war and should be banned'. its also very telling if there is moves to restrict it. if it can be weaponized, then it is (and will be) covered by the second amendment. simple as.
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>>55278639
No that's pretty much spot the fuck on. They're highly functional and cheap, and they send them out to dedicated small drone units, and that's where you get all the footage of shit getting killed by dropping an ancient shaped charge drogue grenade on top of shit. For actual full scale fixed wing shit? Bayraktars.
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>>55294504
>DJI Matrice 300 RTK are not cheap retard. They cost between 9-10k each
That's fucking NOTHING compared to the equivalent capability in a .mil product.
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>>55305720
>It's because it's currently impossible to compete with slave labor.
>slave labor
what's it like being a fucktard?
have you not checked Chinese labor cost for the last 10 years?
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>>55305757
>They've been losing market share for the last decade
lol
you know what country of origin rules are? who do you think really set up the plants in vietnam and malaysia? All of SEA is centered around the Chinese supply chain.
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>>55307495
No, it's wrong and you've never flow a DJI, much less a 12k DJI.
I repeat: these fucking DJIs have fucking THERMAL and laser range finders, not to mention GNSS/telemetry. They're used for ISR purposes AND THEY BLOW AMERICAN MILITARY DRONES OUT OF THE FUCKING WATER.
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>>55307506
>That's fucking NOTHING compared to the equivalent capability in a .mil product.
EXACTLY, ASSUMING THE EQV MIL PRODUCT EVEN EXISTS.
DJIs are just TOO FUCKING GOOD.
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>>55307891
go away, disappoint your parents away from here
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>>55308014
>fucking nigger tier retard getting repeatedly btfo
>p-p-p-plz go away
Kek
Fucking drown yourself in a cesspool you fucking shitstain.



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