You're welcome. Now post about what you're gonna carry now that we're federal-level shall-issue.
>>54148747We won, now we fight.
It waant stopping me
>>54149230clarence is whiter than you faggothe probably hates niggers more than you do
>>54149230Go back to /pol/
>>54149391>t. tranny hands wrote this post
>>54149440>>54149441>>54149460Keep sucking that big black globohomo cock /k/eddit
>>54149479>using someone elses piclmao
>>54149230justice thomas is completely housebroken
>>54149391>phoneposting>screeching like a tranny after getting called outmasterful diversion from the thread topic. You degenerates really despise CornPop for helping the average american defend themselves from your lunacy
>>54149230youre deranged, but at least your plight has made me laugh so youre good for something
>>54149479>using someone else's pic>tried to false flag with other threadYou seems a bit butthurt, buddy
Can someone explain how this automatically makes "shall issue" apply to the entire country? I don't have time to read 135 pages of legalese.
>>54149543look up how precadent works with law and you'll understand
>>54149502>>54149540check the metadata on this file you bitch ass nigger
>>54149543>supreme court>federal rulingshttps://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-843_7j80.pdfreading the first 4 pages will get all the answers you need
>>54149556not your gun nigger iphone poster
>>54149230>>54149391>>54149479>/pol/tards don't even care about this big decisionReminder that /pol/faggots only care about guns inasmuch as they can use them to sperg out in a mass murder to try and get them banned.
>>54149556>Check the metadata>On 4chan>In the year of our lord 2022You are required to return from whatever shithole you slithered out of recently.
>>54149572Meds. Take em. All of em.
>>54149391Post functional genitalia
>>54149230Clarence Thomas is more of an American than any simpering poltroon or subhuman vatnik. The Auth"right" is a parasite that claims to be the spiritual heart of the right, but continually does nothing while the Libright (the true right as envisioned by the Founding Fathers and based men throughout history) wins all the victories. Seethe about it.
>54149572begone, axe wound
>>54149509Democrat seethe>NOOOO HE LEFT THE PLANTATION NOOOOlmao cope faggot.
>>54149230>>54149391You know Im not a big fan of niggers myself but even I find it that currently one of the greatest defenders of the US constitution is an old school negro.Meanwhile wops like Scalia and Sotomayor are probably the biggest political activists of the left on the bench.
>>54149596>owns guns (possibly)>doesn't want other people owning guns because a black judge wrote the opinionLiterally a fudd.
>>54149230gradually i began to hate /pol/
>>54149572>you can't approve of a ruling in favor of strengthening the 2nd Amendment because the judge giving the opinion is blackI've started to consider myself mildly racist, but this is just weird.
>>54149230Fuck you. Clarance has done more good for this country than you will ever do
>>54149641all right wing fags on /pol/ love clarence tho, these are bunker troons or trannies from /pol/
>>54149230Clarence is an honorary Aryan
>>54149633What? Not op or anyone posting about the judge. Im just a simple man with simple guns.
>>541487471911 command we length.
>>54149624>Scalia>Sitting on the benchDo they prop his corpse up or something? Dudes been dead for years.
>>54149697Can you explain why you crop your picture?>>54149479>>54149556
>>54149697what make and model was that noguns?
>>54149624Scalia has been dead for years and sotomayor is a spic. Could you be any more of a nigger?
>>54149641/pol/ loves Clarence you retarded troon. Literally consider him an honorary white
>>54149697then you shouldnt be afraid to post with timestamp you little gay boyon a slightly different note, maybe I should start CCWing my Luger
>>54148747God bless that man.And God bless the Supreme Court, holy shit.I'm happy with just my Glock 19.That being said, before I begin to actually carry (eventually), I have to train train train train train.Because this shit is no joke.You unholster that firearm and the consequences are dire.Without training, I wouldn't even bother.
>>54149786it's not his rifle, he probably doesn't even know what fuckign rifle that is lmao, no fag with a fun switch is gonna crop his shit out
>>54149884jfc get off the internet you nigger faggot noguns tourist, you just posted this in the other thread
>>54149659You have no argument, you have no rebuttal, you have a copypasta written by a seething third-world teenager angry that his country will never be a great empire while the US' nuts casually rest atop the world's forehead, and you will never be a free nation.
>>54149692Oh, I thought you were the faggot whining about Clarence Thomas being black.
>>54149884Shame your false flag thread got nuked by Jannies, vatnik
>>54149884Fuck off, attention whore.You're not "based".You're not "red pilled".Arguing for the treacherous 2 step approach simply because one of the justices involved in striking it down is black.Seriously, kys.That's some anti-american tranny ass shit.On all levels.
>>54149947why do you post retarded slav nigger shit as a rebuttal? noguns confirmed
>>54148811>2 other answers besides mine>the rest is just mutt's law incarnateSo is this board just GPT-3 bots and seething eurofags now?
the vatniks really don't know what to do with this one. I assume they're getting their ass handed to them in Ukraine once again
>>54149947Ivan, what are you doing here!? Don't you have seniors and officers you have to anally service?
>>54149938Being anti-american is the duty of any white person who hate kikes and want America to be destroyed before kikes genocide all whites Death to the Great Satan
>>54149973that dog looks pissed bro
>>54148747Now SCOTUS should take up the California magazine ban that's currently sitting in front of them.
>>54148747My Jericho, as I already was. But thank you Mr. Thomas.
your state can still demand you go through a bunch of loops and hurdles to get a CC permitall today's ruling did was to make strict states like ny relax the rules a bitif you're living in missouri, nothing will change
>>54149230jesus christ what a retardI enter thread specifically because it has nothing to do with screeching retards, screeching retard still shows upyes, 1000 dead, probably as many dead niggers in chimpcongo every day soonI hate Ukrops and NATO cocksuckers already, if you carry on like that I will hate everyone pro Russia too
>>54150049this slav nigger war really fucked this board
>>54148747Probably a few things. USP-C, G19, Khar CM9, Ruger LCR, Ruger SP101, some sort of officer frame 1911
>>54149994BasedZogmerica is the enemy of the White raceGlory to Russia glory to China
as a PA resident with a CC can I carry in NJ now??
Already own a Keltec PF9.What holster do I buy? Only have a cheap leather holster I got from my dad.
>>54150091>glory to asiatic horde
>>54148747>Now post about what you're gonna carry now that we're federal-level shall-issue.I already didHowever, behold.
>>54150084Yeah man it won't ever recover I don't think. Even after the cessation of hostilities I expect the rubots to keep spamming like the faggots they are.
Does this mean that we can now get CCW permits for other states? Carry across state lines?
>>54149230Bunkerfags seething. Clarence is based and always will be based.
>>54150137Who the fuck are you?
>>54149938>attention whore>give him attentionholy fuck /k/ is bottom-barrel retarded
>>54150137No, as the ruling explicitly states shall issue laws are still constitutional and may have different requirements from state to state, one of which could be 'I am a resident of this state'.
>>54150091>the bugs will save menope, only you can save you
>>54150137No, this applies to state shall issue. There has been no ruling on reciprocity yet. HOWEVER, Strict scrutiny leaves us a lot of wiggle room to attack bad law.
>>54149658Buddy I've been a full-on racist for years and even I find it weird. People like that are no better than Democrats.
Skip Thomas history lesson and Breyer's jiggery pokery. Go read Alito's concurrence for an excellent summation, and the closest I have ever read to a justice calling another one a "lying little bitch".I generally detest Alito, but he outdid himself here.
>>54150111East Aryan and yes. The scourge of God just as in Attila's time. Your weakness and (((degeneracy))) have brought this upon you.
>>54150200got a link?
Just need them to kill “assault weapons” ban and tag on magazine capability bans as well.
>>54148747Blessed you based black man
>be NYC nogunz>come to /k/ to celebrate my soon to be havgunz status>literally the stupidest thread I've seen on any board and I've seen some shitGuess I'll go to reddit
>>54149543The logic is essentially the 2A enshrines an individual right to bear arms for self-defense and the only constitutionally appropriate test for a modern gun regulation is whether it conforms to the historical understanding of that right. In the case of New York the court finds no evidence of a prohibition on peaceable carry for the general public and therefore the regulation does not pass the test and is unconstitutional. This is pretty massive because it knocks down any level of scritiny applied to the 2A (e.g. states could in theory restrict the right if they had a good enough reason). It's very possible a lot of other restrictions will fall as a result.
>>54150205Posting twitter caps should be a banable offense.
>>54150200Alito is a whiny little bitch and Breyer calls him out on the dumbfuckery of their historical analysis, in that they basically throw out all laws they don't like with excuses of being 'too old', 'too new', 'not close enough' etc. etc. without any seeming critera. Breyer has a very solid point that no matter how correct the end result of the ruling, the method used to get it is questionable.
>>54150205>In 1791 the first amendment was written.>In 1984 the internet was invented.>Thus, the first amendment only applies to pen and paper…and on the street.
>>54149606Based and freedom pilled
>>54150213https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/status/1539979772473839620Fuck twitter for obscuring links from copy/paste. Alito is down on page 70, and spits fire the entire thing so far.
>>54150213>https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-843_7j80.pdfRead Thomas and Breyer, ignore Alito, skim Kav.
>>54150205>in 1847 the bullet was inventedis someone going to tell her?
I'm surprised the jannies haven't deleted these threads, and I'm very happy for that they didn't
>>54150239sounds good and kill yourself if you even consider coming back nigger
>>54150239Well is this law really going to change your ability to access guns in NYC? Aren't handguns still banned? Nice Lenk btw.
>blue states are shall issue>but you still get raped in court if you ever use it
>>54150239Don't come back.
Social unrest surrounding 2024 is gonna be LITGOP could nominate a saint and Dems will screech through all channels that xe is the devil.Oh and get ready for astro-turfed secession movements for NYC + SF trying to be city-states like Singapore.
>>54150239>posts just to whine and post a trannyReddit is definitely more your speed, sped.Personally I’m pissed that the justification for not touching other regulations amounts to “we’ve always done it that way lol”.
>>54150282At least you'll be alive I guess.
>>54150256And Breyer was so sure of that the spends only roughly half of his 50 page dissent quoting gun violence and suicide statistics that have nothing to do with legally carrying your gun outside your home with a permit.
>>54150239There's no difference anymore anon. It's 80% fag and tranny propaganda and the rest is cringey MIGAtard "opposition" here. The internet died for good in 2016.
>>54149994t. Ivan Smith from Ohioblast
>>54150282thisif you needed a gun in that state you werent ever going to comply with anything anywayliteral non-issue to calm down republicucks and make more useless eaters vote biden
>>54150282one step at a time
>>54149606>while the Libright (the true right as envisioned by the Founding Fathers and based men throughout history) wins all the victories. Seethe about it.This is a good win but it does not make up for libertarians being absolute fucking faggots who think people will leave them alone if they're nice to people
>>54149543>We too agree, and now hold, consistent with Heller and McDonald, that the Second and Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual’s right to carry a handgun for self-defense outside the home>no historical basis for New York to effectively declare the island of Manhattan a "sensitive place" simply because it is crowded and protected generally by the New York City Police Department>"We know of no other constitutional right that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need. That is not how the First Amendment works when it comes to unpopular speech or the free exercise of religion. It is not how the Sixth Amendment works when it comes to a defendant’s right to confront the witnesses against him. And it is not how the Second Amendment works when it comes to public carry for self-defenseIts a massive fucking win
>>54148747Is a Star Model 30 an ok carry gun?
>>54149572>/k/ defends this and feels no shame
>>54150296The court can only decide cases that come in front of it. They don't write the law. But what theyve done here is extremely significant because they've basically rewritten the test for whether a gun control law is constitutional. This will likely lead to many state level restrictions being cut down.
why are people STILL trying to meme clarence?
>>54150311Breyer spends less than 8 pages on this. Everything from then on is pointing out holes in the court's logic, procedure, and intention.
>>54149572This nigga is gonna shoot up a school or church or store in the future, glowies stop grooming xhim
>>54148747this is nice but antigun states are still gonna fuck your shit up. >have to pay 100s or 1000s for permit>process takes 1y+>need 5+ bg checks/interviews>need 100 hours of training at one of 3 specific locations statewide that are only open for 3 hours on thursdays>can only carry 6 shot revolvers>have to renew once a yeart. live in NJ. some towns already have done dumb shit like that just to own handguns.
>>54150205Fascinating, now let's ask the Founders what they think of women's rights and the abolition of slavery
>>54150360blacks aren't people
>>54149624>Scalia>SotomayorScalia has been dead for years (his death is a fun rabbit hole to go down as well), but he was an ardent defender of the Constitution before he left.Sotomayor is the biggest diversity hire on the Court currently, although the new niggress probably takes the cake now.
>>54150256If your assessment is that Breyers mean-testing argument bears weight, then ignoring Alito's dissent on the dissent is a great disservice, as he at least engages Breyer's cherry picked (and poorly setup in my opinion) choice of only including Siegels study.Also:> Does the dissent think that a lot of people who possess guns in their homes will be stopped or deterred from shooting themselves if they cannot lawfully take them outside?is just wonderful.
Based Benevidez was right and the right test was the simple Heller test all along!
>>54150352Barret, Kav, and Roberts all tell Alito and Thomas to mostly pound sand when it comes to making this ruling anything but about shall permit laws in the meantime.
>>54150380That all becomes much easier to strike down now because there's miles of court precedent that you can't wrap rights in a labyrinth of red tape.
I will be carrying two g29s of course. Wouldn't want to waste my glorious rights on 9mm.>>54149641>>54149371>Go back to /pol//pol/ loves Justice Thomas though. Just go through the pol catalog and read some of their threads. Most of "le based blacks" are just grifter tokens regurgitating basic bitch normiecon talking points at a 2nd grade level so boomers can screech "dems are the real racists." In contrast, Justice Thomas is actually a leading defender of the Constitution, and even of Whites. If you read between the lines on his opinions and his earlier writings he's basically a soft-segregationist who wants Whites and blacks to have separate, decent and self-reliant communities.>>54149606>muh librightJustice Thomas is solidly auth-right.
QRD on his ruling?
>tfw leaving the country on Sunday>tfw I'll be a freer man when I come back on July 4thToday is a good day to be proud of this Nation
>>54150432>>54150335basically it's wording either completely destroys or at least neuters every may issue policy in the country
>>54150432see >>54150335he summarized it pretty well here
>>54150400Alito's dissent about the dissent further cherrypicks and winges more about how 'nooooo you can't just focus on how we cherrypicked to reach this decision and how we ignored a bunch of other cases and historical laws nooooo'.Breyer is completely correct that a decision regarding historical interpretations and the like is incredibly shaky and prone to cherrypicking. Alito cannot and does not attempt to refute that, instead attacking Breyer, not his logic.
>>54149596The Walther is suitable for New York
>>54150282Assuming you don't just dump the tweaker's body in the dumpster behind Arby's and walk away.
>>54150363>Breyer spends less than 8 pages on this.I stand corrected. Telling where he put them though, no? Best not to bury the lead (no I will not misspell it).If you are who I think you are:1. Yes, means test is the best metric for strict scrutiny2. Thomas's originalism rearing it's gead again is silly.3. NY state brought that upon themselves when they used a historical basis as their core argument in their initial justification for why the state could do so.Thomas's goofball ruling is exactly the demon that NY summoned. Breyer should blaim the defendents in this case, not Thomas. Foetunately, precendent will largely ignore this historical based ruling, because it's anamolous.
>>54150335It's a good day lads, and I'm taking like, 20 people from work shooting this weekend. AHHHH, I love America.
>>54150380Agreed. While this all does set some very good precedents, it only seems like a massive win if you dont already live in one of these states. They should have ruled licenses as unconstitutional and saved us the trouble of law suits and further years-long cases that may end up being ruled on by a very different SCOTUS
>>54150396I'm ok with Kagel, she's not always lockstep with the other liberal judges and she hated Ginsberg
>>54150472Shall not be infringed, dumbfuckIts that simple and yet this worthless kike on the supreme court thinks that we shouldnt have guns to defend ourselves in the most dangerous cities in the western worldFuck his retarded ass opinion he can shove it up his ass
>>54150363>>54150484To follow up, Breyer complained about lack of discovery, and then did more work than NYs lawyers. Who was the soliciter for the defendents.Their whole lives were leading up to this moment. Why weren't they ready?
Why did a """""""""""conservative""""""""""""" justice like Kavanaugh stop Thomas from making permits unconstitutional in general?We almost won way more than we did.
>>54150119Tell me it's loaded with .45 super.
>>54150423This is not even remotely close to true, historically or even now.Most of your "grifter tokens" can defend with depth why America is the best shit in modernity better than a lot of whites who wrap themselves in the flag, but then want to expand the state in favor of gibs or wish to see the state drift into more totalitarianism as long as it's *their* kind of tyranny. I'm pretty sure Thomas Sowell is more than a grifter. And what you read as segregationist is just what it sounds like for a black dude to want to be left the fuck alone from tribalist fuckery. He doesn't want to be your "brotha" just because he and some other nigger are dark, and he doesn't want to be seen as your pet because "he a good darky." Your mentality is no different from a leftoid that thinks they own the right to all black thought and action.
>>54150432the verbiage of the decision is VERY solidly pro-gun and pro-2A, it's a great victory no matter how you slice it"may issue" ruled unconstitutional -- states will be forced to become "shall issue"states will still be able to request shit like ccw training, fingerprinting, mental health evals, etc. before issuing a permitit's up in the air as to what blue states will now require from ccw applicants, how arduous of a process it will be, etc.it's also still up in the air as to how blue states will create new barriers, will they make everything outside a "sensitive area" akin to a government building or a school? will they make CCW permits only last a nanosecond before it lapses and you have to reapply? will they make you take a trillion hours of training to reapply? tl:dr verdict good, but democrats are still statist faggots, free men don't ask permission, and I hate the antichrist
>>54150526Because Kav is a retarded faggot and is basically Roberts.
>>54150526'conservative' nominated by 'republican' trumpdt was a ny dem for years and i always said it was a joke he ran as a 'republican,' but it worked because modern day dems and leftists are an even bigger joke, so it easily follows that a 'conservative' judge that dt nominated isn't quite
>>54149577>he doesn't know
>>54150559Dawg, Trump doesn't know shit about judicial picks he just went with whatever the Heritage Foundation and McConnell told Trump to pick. Not that I'm defending Trump, he totally should have done a better job but he's a celebrity retard and all he cares about is being accepted by the masses.
>>54150259That's how they thing, in fact
>>54150119Are you the anon who bought a second slide and had it killed for the red dot? Where can I get another slide and where did you get the slide done? I've got the extra cash and want to experience the full accuracy potential.
>>54148747>tfw assault weapon bans are about to get erased too.
>>54150545The risk in doing shit like that is another court case that goes and mandates limits on what you can demand. Because the argument will be the same. >Well you CAN get a CCW in NYC but you have to jump through all these hoops>Are you effectively denying everyone? >Yes>Another opinion assblasting them.
>>54150606lets just repeal the fucking NFA and stop beating around the bush
>>54150175>Strict scrutiny leaves us a lot of wiggle room to attack bad law.It would, if that's what the decision said, but you know what gives us even more room?SHALL NOT, history, and tradition. Which is exactly what we got.
>>54150559Go away bunker tranny still voting republican
>>54150484I'd argue that NY was well within its right to bring up historical precedent in the case alongside means-end testing. That the court exclusively focused on the historical aspect rather than also attacking NY's means-end arguments, which could easily be done with Heller itself, rather than this to me says a lot. Thomas' originalism is one of the most retarded things about him, I'm not going to go into his other quirks, but there's also the fact that his and Alito's 'originalism' only seems to come in to play on certain topics usually related to their own politics. This isn't unusual in the court, but these two are the most blatant about it. I hope to god this ruling will be considered anomalous in means to get there, because otherwise we're going to be entering a fucking retarded world of judges now having to double as linguistic historians due to literalism and originalism. >>54150520No fucking clue. I doubt that NY's law would have withstood a simple logical interpretation of Heller in its need aspect, but Thomas' ruling is a really hard to defend one as Breyer points out on several different grounds. It's not wrong, but how it gets there is convoluted and doesn't lend itself to consistent rulings. >>54150545>States will still be able to request shit before issuing a permitWell yes, because no matter how Thomas and Alito want to twist it there's a long history and tradition of restrictions in concealed carry across American history and british common law which influenced the colonies and founders. This decision being seen as anything but narrowly focused on CCW permit 'shall issue' is a mistake and while Big G, Alito, and Thomas certainly would love it to be otherwise, I doubt it will be.
>>54148747Thank you and happy birthday Justice Thomas.
>>54148747 We did it bros
>>54150335>That is not how the First Amendment works when it comes to unpopular speechThat's certainly where the government is *trying* to go with speech.
>>54148747Did it really pass or is it one of those gay things that need the president approval in the end?
>>54150708take a fucking civics class you fucking moron
>>54150611I agree but something like that might get tied up in the system for years, and states could adopt the NY strategy of removing restrictions in order to render the case moot, only to reimplement them the moment they get a chance.
I'll be carrying the greatest handgun ever made. The real question is does the new ruling mean we will de facto have nationwide CCW reciprocity? I have a lifetime carry permit in my home state, so will I be able legally carry in a cucked state like California now?
>>54150714>everyone should be versed in the american political and judicial system
>>54150664>happy birthday Justice ThomasHoly shit. You weren't joking.Just another reminder that SCOTUS justices will angrily pen a dissent to their peers' majority decision to arm violent criminals (hyperbole, folks) or strip you of your 4th amendment rights, or justify the internment of people based on their ethnicity, and then put down their pen to go grab lunch from that sandwich place they all love and share a birthday cake afterwards.
>>54150720It's going to be years and years of commie shitholes trying every way possible to skirt this decision and continually getting BTFO in court before we will really see how it all shakes out in the end. Don't expect immediate relief if you are behind enemy lines.
>>54150720No, every start will have their own requirements
>>54150396>his death is a fun rabbit hole to go down as wellhe was ancient, dude. dying in his sleep is a pretty normal way to go out.
>>54150626That is strict scrutiny by any other name. All challenged law will have to overcome the hurdle of "Does this violate the second amendment," to which most would surely fail to overcome. Gun grabbers can get fucked becausce freedom wins.
>>54150720Cali may still require a permit, but may issue is now considered unconstitutional so they cant just deny you for shit like "youre not a politician or celebrity so no"
>>54150347name one thing wrong with a black man having good taste. hard mode: no /pol/ muttology
>>54150759I see nowhere that this extends strict scrutiny to standard cap magazines, my dude. Alito explicitly calls out that they aren't doing that in this decision.
Will this mean that there will be looser reciprocity between states? Reciprocity is the one thing that bothers me, because on one side of the state where my family lives i could travel across state lines as we often do to see other family or go to dinner it's okay, but on the opposite side of the state where I actually live I'm surrounded by gay cuck states that have no reciprocity and those are the states I actually end up visiting a lot. It's really fucking annoying that my right to bear arms is infringed simply by driving 20 minutes over an imaginary line.
>>54150527Yep, used to carry 255gr super for bear (1130fps), switched to 185gr for hoodlums (1400fps)>>54150605I got it directly from H&K, they found one in an LEO service stock and appropriated it for me.Dlide was milled by L&M, who have since quit doing guns because the owner is old and sick of it.
>>54150787Just ignore that shit retard
>>54148747People shilling against Thomas need to go back to Twitter/Reddit XDDD
>>54150655What's wrong with originalism? Somebody passes a law, it means what it says, not how some unelected statists twist it into a pretzel 200 years from now. If you want to change the law, then CHANGE THE LAW. We have an amendment process for a reason, you know.It took Amendments to end slavery, legally introduce the federal income tax, totally change how senators are elected, and give women the vote. If you want to alter or remove the Second Amendment, you should have to pass a new amendment that says precisely that.So, that's originalism in a nutshell. What's wrong with it?
>>54150655Go suck mommy's tit, kid.>>54150626>history, and tradition.As others have mentioned, this is hardly a suitable test, ultimately depending on one side's cherry picked historical examples versus the other's.
>>54150787>looser reciprocityNo. States are well within their rights even under thomas to require a permit to carry. Part of those requirements which certainly can't be considered imposing undue burden is being a resident of the state.
>>54150708It's a Supreme Court decision. It's effective immediately.
>>54150831Awesome, thanks anon
>>54148747Someone needs to update the map
>>54150423>who wants Whites and blacks to have separate, decent and self-reliant communities.distant as in not on the same continent, yes I agree completely.
>>54150811Because they know that’s effectively impossible
>>54150766>You'll get put in Tyrone's Nigger Dick Cavalcade if you act out like always, local cops don't give a single fuck about federal law until they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar by some oversight agency.
>>54150811The problem with originalism is that it breaks down in regards to the actual context of the original decision and ends up establishing unrealistic interpretations and ignoring long running precedents and interpretations or clarifications of laws and texts done by legislatures. It also is usually selectively applied by both sides to their pet causes. Thomas is merely especially egregious about this along with Alito. Original when I want it to be, interpretive when it isn't and relying on cherrypicking historical examples to support my side. I hate originalism because it also fails to understand that changing the text isn't a given and some wiggle room with interpretation is needed to allow laws to function properly as intended and as written.
>>54150785Alito's opinion is dicta. The only one that matters is Thomas'. Thomas gave us text and tradition as the level of scrutiny. If you go purely by the text of the second amendment, which is what our level of scrutiny is based on now, Magazines absolutely would be protected arms. Funny enough, we have Duncan v. Who ever the fuck is California's AG sitting before the court right now. Which is a magazine ban case. Speculation is that it has been held pending cert for this decision to be released. I don't think SCOTUS will just "Lalala, I'm not listneing" to it and deny it. Either they'll take it up or remand it back down to the 9th with this ruling in mind. Thomas' opinion absolutely applies a level of strict scrutiny. >depending on one side's cherry picked historical examples versus the other's.Which is touched on in Thomas' opinion referencing the gun laws that were passed towards the tail end of the 19th century being a patchwork local laws in primarily western areas. His decision is applying the lack of regulating laws post signing through the ratification of the 14th amendment as the basis for his text and tradition opinion. This establishes the hurdle that gun law has to clear plainly.
>>54149596Revolvers are a bad idea with the rise in gang attacks we've seen. You'll want something with more capacity. >>54150537>but then want to expand the state in favor of gibs or wish to see the state drift into more totalitarianism as long as it's *their* kind of tyranny.America always had auth-right moral laws and it was unquestioned up until the 1960s. Thomas has repeatedly written about the Constitutionality and desirability of these moral laws. What you want is a kind of ahistorical lolbertarianism, not actual Constitutionalism. >I'm pretty sure Thomas Sowell is more than a grifter. Fair enough, Sowell's actually not a grifter, but he still just regurgitates basic economics to appeal to the DR3 boomer crowd>And what you read as segregationist is just what it sounds like for a black dude to want to be left the fuck alone from tribalist fuckery. He doesn't want to be your "brotha" just because he and some other nigger are dark, and he doesn't want to be seen as your pet because "he a good darky.Dude, just read Justice Thomas's own writings, starting with his autobiography. He absolutely feels a connection to other blacks. He got involved with the Reagan administration because he felt his race was being destroyed by degeneracy. There's nothing wrong with that because he wants whites to be able to have their own communities too.I don't view him as a pet either, he's one of the few among them who has my genuine respect.
So, will New Yorks soon-to-be requirement of completion of the 47 hour armed service guard training course for a shall issue conceal carry permit constitute an undue burden on the public or not?Stay tuned, we'll have our decision in 4 years!
>>54150900>the rise in gang attacks we've seenliterally where?
>>54150825>Part of those requirements which certainly can't be considered imposing undue burden is being a resident of the state.That's not a requirement for things like drivers licenses or marriage licenses. When SCOTUS forced fag marriage on the entire country, states had to honor the buggery loicenses of fags who got married in other states.
>>54150901They'll just raise the cost of a permit to $2000
>>54150900>Revolvers are a bad idea with the rise in gang attacks we've seen. You'll want something with more capacity.Everyone's threat level is different. If you live in South Central then yeah you might want 33rds. If you're average joe who doesn't have an elevated threat profile for some reason a revolver is plenty.
So how do I actually apply to get a conceal carry permit in NYS now Just go down to the office where you had to apply for the may-issue permit previously, ask for a form to fill out, and get my carry permit as soon as I fill it out? >In Upstate New York apply to the County Court through the office of the court clerk, county clerk or sheriff.
>>54150932Your gay marriage isn't possibly going to end up killing someone. Drivers licenses have tests from state to state that generally follow similar criteria and requirements. Even with that in mind, some states do have limits on age which don't transfer over from state to state. There's a broad carryover but it isn't complete with regards to drivers licenses.
>>54150938I'm fairly certain due to today's ruling that would constitute a poll tax and be immediately struck down or injunctioned.
>>54150891>Thomas gave us text and tradition as the level of scrutiny.I remain unconvinced that this single ruling unwinds decades of prior SCOTUS decisons on using strict structiny (compelling interest, effectiveness [means-end by definition], and narrowness) for government infringing on constitutionally guaranteed rights.
>>54150900>Revolvers are a bad idea with the rise in gang attacks we've seen. You'll want something with more capacity. Two revolvers
>>54150972I'm fairly certain the federal government could pin you down and rape your faggot ass while strangling you and watch the life leave your fear-filled eyes and nothing would be done as a consequence. Gun laws are a meme. If you disagree you aren't fucking /k/.
I guess all those doomers that swore up and down that they'd A) Never take the caseB) Punt it back if they didC) Rule in favor of NYScan eat shit and focus on their next irrational predictions to spam at every turn.
>>54150971>Your gay marriage isn't possibly going to end up killing someone.HIV and monkeypox beg to differ.
>>54150825But if a non-reciprocal state is literally right across a bridge from me and I spend more than half of my time away from work in that state there's almost no time my right to carry is honored except on short trips to the grocery store in town. Isn't that bullshit and arguably unconstitutional that just by living on a border you can't do jack shit with your gun rights?Is there at least a chance you could apply for non-resident permits in said gay as fuck states? I imagine not, because they're always inventing new ways to keep getting gayer.
>>54150985Sometimes agents of the State believe in their own mythology. Take your wins where you can.
>>54150655>That the court exclusively focused on the historical aspect rather than also attacking NY's means-end arguments, which could easily be done with Heller itself, rather than this to me says a lot.YEAH IT SAYS "SHALL NOT">I hope to god this ruling will be considered anomalous in means to get thereFUCK YOU NIGGER WE'RE ON THE TIMELINE WHERE "WELL REGULATED" GETS SO LITERALLY INTERPRETATED THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BECOMES REQUIRED TO ISSUE EQUIPMENT, SUPPLIES, RIFLES, AMMO, AND NO OBLIGATION TRAINING, FOR FREE TO EVERY MAN AND WOMAN THAT WANTS IT>because otherwise we're going to be entering a fucking retarded world of judges now having to double as linguistic historians due to literalism and originalism.WHY LAWYERS GOTTA UNNERSTAN HISTREY N WORDS N SHEEEIT>no matter how Thomas and Alito want to twist it there's a long history and tradition of restrictions in concealed carry across American historyYEAH IN FAVOR OF FREE ACCESS TO FIREARMS UNRESTRICTED BY POWER, FEATURE, CAPACITY, OR SIZE AND THE CONVENTION THAT ANYTHING YOU CAN BEAR YOU CAN DO SO OPENLY, IN PUBLIC, IN ORDINARY PLACES, AS YOU PLEASE, AND NO ONE CAN FUCK WITH YOU AS LONG AS YOU DONT COMMIT ANY OTHER CRIMES. CONCEALED CARRY WAS LOOKED DOWN UPON BECAUSE IT WAS SEEN AS IF THE PERSON WERE PLANNING AN AMBUSH, THE COMMON VIEW ON THAT HAS REVERSED WITH THE VIEWS ON AND PUBLIC COMFORT WITH OPEN CARRY EVOLVING. CONCEALED CARRY IS NOW THE NORM. OPEN CARRY HAS BECOME MORE REGULATED IN RECENT YEARS BECAUSE IT'S A RESTRICTION BY PROXY ON THE BEARING OF RIFLES.THE ONLY TRADITION IN AMERICAN GUN LAW IS THAT AMERICANS ARE AS WELL ARMED AS THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT AGENTS AND OFFICERS THEY CONTROL. THAT'S IT. THAT'S THE TRADITION. IF IT WEREN'T, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A NOTION OF RESTRICTING THE PUBLIC TO SOMETHING WORSE THAN WHAT THE MILITARY WOULD USE SOMEHOW WRITTEN INTO THE SECOND AMENDMENTTHERE IS NO SUCH NOTIONWHATS ANAMOLOUS IS THE NFA, THE GCA, THE ATF, AND STINKY TRANNY POSTS ON MY IMAGEBOARD
>>54150985Well yeah sure but I was commenting on how something like that would go through the court system, not my opinion on the system itself or gun laws.
>>54150985you okay there bud? reply to the wrong post?
>>54151006This becomes even better when you imagine it in Randy Savage's voice.
>>54150985>STOP TELLING ME THE GOVERNMENT ISN'T ALWAYS CORRUPT!>I WANT TO BELIEVE IN MY GOVERNMENT RAPE STORY!is this being blackpilled, or is it having an oppression fetish?
>>54148747Doesn't fucking matter, the states still have those permits locked away behind 200 miles of red tape and references and it'll be another 20 years, if ever, before anything is done about that.
>>54150991no one dies to HIV anymore and monkeypox is a meme.
>>54151034Then off yourself you doom posting faggot.
>>54150981This is Thomas we're talking about, who has issued scathing dissents to not taking up gun cases. He finally gets a gun case, do you think he's going to simply let it go with "Yeah, shall issue is a thing now?" His opinion is the opinion of the court. He clearly lays out the end of a two step process of constitutionality for deciding on gun law in favor of a one step process. He is basing this off text and tradition of the second amendment. He states as much in his opinion. A one step process based on text and tradition is absolutely strict scrutiny. There is nothing else it can be.
>>54150985>I'm fairly certain the federal government could pin you down and rape your faggot ass while strangling you and watch the life leave your fear-filled eyes and nothing would be done as a consequence.
What is the historical/text argument that allows for bans or extensive regulation of>suppressors>short barrel shotguns>short barrel rifles
>>54150919Chicago for example https://twitter.com/BackthenFoward/status/1538232777535102979
>>54150964hahaha nope, same form, same process, same costs, just now at the end they have to say 'yes' instead of 'no'
>>54148747Thread Theme for our nigga.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FezZ2ZOd9tQ
>>54150994Commerce clause may cover you, but it's possible they will then specify non-resident permits as an option, which means you need to meet the requirements of that state aside from residency, which could easily be stricter or include necessary insurance. >>54151046He does, but this is specified by Kav and Roberts to be a narrow decision regarding permits. So while Thomas may be all for it, they aren't. Thomas himself even concedes that his ruling is somewhat narrow.
>>54151022YOU CAN EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED IN THE KINGDOM OF MADNESS, OH YEAAAH!
>>54151043I'm sorry. I live here. I'm used to nothing good ever happening.
>>54151075how is that a gang attack?
>>54151070dude the entire NFA is illegitimate as fuck. This is the best video I've ever seen that outlines how fucked the entire passage was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VWcGwPJQfc
>>54150738This but unironically
>>54151070ummm those aren't musket buskets sweaty, so they're banned
>>54151094>Kav and RobertsAgain, the only opinion that matters is the opinion of the court. Thomas wrote the opinion of the court. The rest write their own concurring or dissenting opinions but those are meaningless. Only the Justice penning the court's opinion has any weight. The rest can blabber on how ever much they want.
>>54151046>There is nothing else it can be.Wut? That's bot how that works, at all. Why do you think the US government can restrict narcotics used in Native American relegious practices, despite their 1st amendment guarantee to the free practice of relegion? Why can a police officer completely ignore your 4th amendment protections to your home being searched without a warrant given exigent circumstances. Why can the federal government continue to prohibit convicted felona from owning firearms despite their assurance to keep and bear arms per the 2nd?All of those were tried and decided under the long established metric of strict scrutiny, and it's established three prong approach. Text matters, sure. But unless you want to carve out a special status for the 2nd amendment, which is _exactly_ what Scalaia and Thomas have been trying to fix, you treat it the same as the amendments.
>>54150352Oh I’m well aware they try to avoid sweeping declarations but its still annoying to see them actively pick and choose what to throw out basically on a whim even if they know deep down a lot of this shit is blatantly unconstitutional and that language about “dangerous and unusual weaponry” is just trash to keep bullshit like the machinegun ban in place.I’m happy, but like all /k/ommandos I’m still pissy it didn’t go far enough.but I also work second shift and go half retarded since I’m not sleeping well.
>>54151046>>54151134Disregard my wall of text. I see what you meant now.
>>54149596HK for everyday carry, walther for semi formal events, S&W for formal events
So...concealed carry is now constitutional and allowed in all states? Am I understanding that right?
>>54150245>This is pretty massive because it knocks down any level of scritiny applied to the 2A (e.g. states could in theory restrict the right if they had a good enough reason). It's very possible a lot of other restrictions will fall as a result.so this means the bullshit rule in California were you cant open carry a gun will get tossed? good if true
>>54151134And that's part of my complaint about thomas and alito, they want exceptions for the 2nd that aren't applied to other amendments. >>54151133It does matter, as they lean into Heller to justify why they agree, and while they concur with the end result of the opinion they're not onboard with the logic of Thomas.
>>54148747>shall issueso blue states will just jack up prices and do everything else.Mandatory constitutional carry with no restrictions was the only way we would win this.Fuck.
>>54151169Yeah but it is shall issue unless the state says otherwise. Don't go out strapped right now if you live in NYC or something.
>>54151169No it just means that courts need to use Strict Scrutiny for issuance of licenses to carry a handgun.
>>54151169No, as specified in Roberts and Kav's statement, this ruling only applies to MAY issue states, not SHALL issue states. License is still required where it is required, those laws are not unconstitutional.
>>54151193>the only way we would win this.wat? anon for the first time in decades people in NY actually have a chance at getting a CC permit.
>>54149391so did a mod do it or was the polfaggot THAT much of a little bitch (and retard) that he thought he could erase his shame by deleting his post?
>>54151193There's the desperate attempt to frame this as a loss, right on schedule.
>>54151070>where was the lawsuit that allowed the government to pass the NFA??There isn't one because that doesn't make any fucking sense. Like what the fuck are you talking about? The job of the judicial branch is not to issue permission slips that allow the government to make laws, it's to resolve disputes over existing law.
>>54151231>he thinks Jew York is going to comply and not fight this tooth and nail.>he thinks they won't make you jump through all kinds of hoopslollmao>>54151237>its not a total losscope.
>>54151237it's blackpillers anonthey can't STAND the idea of voting having an impact
>>54151259>he thinks this will have any meaningful impactlol
>>54151258>i NEED everything to be bad so we can ACCELERATE!>I NEED AN SHTF TO HAPPEN SO I CAN HAVE MEANING IN MY LIFE!
>>54151231>for the first time in decades people in NY actually have a chance at getting a CC permitYou cant use it without getting fucked in court. You cant buy it without paying out the nose, especially with current prices. You cant get a permit without being put on a backlog so long that your grandkids probably wouldn't even inherit it, and that's not getting into the fees. The Supreme Court is exactly what its always been: completely worthless compared to state laws.
>>54151193So you'd better apply for a permit now before the anti-gun faggots pass new laws to make the process more difficult. I hope all you blue state cucks already put your applications in as soon as the SCOTUS decision was handed down, since there's going to be a massive backlog as a result. I'm guessing there will be NFA-tier wait times to get CCWs in states like New York and California for the foreseeable future.
>>54151272What I need is the infringements to go away but they never will because beta bitches like you will accept the crumbs given to you and call it a victory. God you are all so fucking pathetic.
>>54148747>Accept no substitutes
>>54151043t. Red stater. You wouldnt get it
>>54151302I actually live in a somewhat freer state than Jew York. We already had constitutional carry here.
>>54151193THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT YOU FUCKING RETARDTHOMAS EXPLICITLY CALLS THIS STUPID SHIT OUT AS NOT GONNA FLY
>>54151193That was never gonna happen without 5 Thomases on the court. If they had tried to take a hardline stance on con. carry Roberts and the others probably would've tanked it.
>>54151303Why aren't you doing what you want others to do?Go out there and do it, be the change you want to see.
>>54151200>>54151202>>54151203Thanks. I haven't been on /k/ much lately so I haven't been keeping up with this.
>>54151318Post cope. Oh wait you already are, my bad.
>>54151191>It does matter, as they lean into Heller to justify why they agree, and while they concur with the end result of the opinion they're not onboard with the logic of Thomas.If that were the case that Thomas' 'concurring dissent' in Heller would have undone Scalia's opinion, which it did not. While Scalia's opinion was a win for gun rights, he still fucked us with his common use requirement and reasonable restriction part of his opinion. Thomas stated as much in his dicta opinion on Heller. But you know what was the only opinion that mattered on Heller? Scalia's. If each case's precedence was decided on the court's opinion as well as the dicta that each justice writes concurring or dissenting then we'd have a patchwork of rulings that would make no sense. This is the same case here. You have 6 justices concur with Thomas' Opinion, but each release their own separate opinion on what they believe the final opinion should be. The only words that matter on this are the ones that Thomas wrote as the opinion of the court. Again, Kavanaugh and Alito can write what ever concurring opinion they want, but it's the opinion of the court that ultimately serves as the ruling and Thomas wrote that opinion.
>>54151330>That was never gonna happenand never will. The US is dead and has been for a long time.>>54151203Except they are. ALL gun laws are unconstitutional. Permits to have guns are unconstitutional. But you betas don't realize that and are no matte
>>54151362What it indicates is that they will not follow Thomas' lead on cases not related to permits, pay fucking attention.
>>54151363no better than neocons on this. Just let them give you the death of a thousand cuts you fucking jackoffs.
>>54151362Scailia was wrong.Anyone for gun laws at all are wrong.All gun laws are infringements. All are unconstitutional but good look getting these lemmings to see that.
>>54151345>Noguns doompostersMany such cases
>>54151302NY, in a sense, literally cannot make the process any more difficult than it already is. Any further difficulty would simply be increasing the currently existing problems (e.g. raising references needed from 4 to 6, ramping up application costs, copying a California style 'permitted pistol list' when you're already limited to 10 round mags). Plus there's the semi-auto long arm license they just rammed through and people still aren't sure how to even fucking get it or apply for it, which there NEEDS to be more news about because right now damn near every single gun owner in the state is a felon.
This is a WAY bigger win than just Shall Issue CCW. They ENDED the method that courts used to uphold all kinds of gun laws."heller’s methodology centered on constitutional text and history. It did not invoke any means-end test such as strict or intermediate scrutiny, and it expressly rejected any interest-balancing inquiry akin to intermediate scrutiny.”
>>54150900>>54150900>What you want is a kind of ahistorical lolbertarianism, not actual Constitutionalism.I don't think I'd come close to being described as a libertarian because I'm largely in favor of a lot of those morality-based laws, from the perspective that they're necessary to keep a society from disintegrating into/as a result of degeneracy (I'm agnostic, but fuck if anyone can claim Judeo-Christian ethos hasn't been a good engine for humanist society in the modern era). I'm more wary of authoritarianism in the classical sense of arbitrarily centralized power for the purpose of rolling back a lot of what I'd think is good progress to the more perfect union, which all sorts of people seem to be demanding since the 1960s. I don't want no-government solutions, nor ineffective government (unable to actually secure and guarantee sovereignty, rather than not even trying, or unable to robustly respond to foreigners fucking around). >but he still just regurgitates basic economics to appeal to the DR3 boomer crowdI get that, but I'd say that's more a function of him being a boomer himself and speaking in the language of the generation. He's useful in that he still serves as an example to more other blacks still, even some younger ones, that there's no inherent reason they *have to* be the degenerate asses of society. There's not enough blacks like Sowell or Thomas in public life that are allowed much exposure, so they serve a purpose. I'll give his autobiography a read, I've only really ever read his opinions and shit. I've always been wary of community balkanization, especially based on ethnic shit (I quietly seethe every cinco de mayo or even St. Patty's Day lmao). I don't think you can have distinct, separate castes in societies without the current tribal bs inevitably asserting itself and threatening overall integrity from within. But that also means fuckers need to not be, well, niggers, so I can grant him that for his concern.
>>54151396Copium poster. Many such cases.
>>54151259Isolated to NY alone, it doesn't have an impact. NYs problem is that the majority WANT what they had. People say that if they fought this ruling, they would bankrupt the NY govt with lawsuits and their constituents would vote them out. Instead, they are perfectly fine with becoming financial martyrs and view living in NYC as virtue signaling that would be worth the massive tax rate that would come with trying to pay off lawsuits. Its not the government that is the problem there. Its the people themselves.
>>54151404Your morals shouldn't dictate the lives of millions.
>>54151401Yes but also no. Kav, Barrett, and Roberts all pretty much concurred but went 'we're not going to back this up with other cases if they're relying on this one.' Read between the lines on it.
>>54151369Well they clearly did becausce Thomas wrote the opinion of the court and they concurred with it. Even if they write their own separate garbage afterwards, they concurred with Thomas' opinion. I disagree with you, you disagree with me. Lets leave it at that.
For thenfolks saying Kavanaugh and Alitos concurrences have no bearing, apparently pivotal concurrence is a thing at the circuit court level. Who knew?https://twitter.com/tommy_bennett/status/1539994235499429890
>>54151022I'M GLAD I'M GETTING THROUGH HIS VISAGE IS AN ACCURATE PERSONIFICATION OF MY VIEWS ON THE PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF FIREARMSREPEAL THE NFAGOVERNMENT AGENTS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS SCARRED OF THE PEOPLES' ARMS SHOULD FIND NEW CAREERS SO THEY CAN BE QUICKLY REPLACED BY MEN THAT HOLD NO FEAR OR ANIMUS TOWARD THEIR CONSTITUENTS
>>54151397I'm pretty sure this new decision from SCOTUS opens up all those onerous requirements to slam-dunk lawsuits. Since when do you need references of good character to exercise a constitutional right? What if I just decide to not include any references? What if I don't even live in your state?
>>54150105That probably still depends on whether the state recognizes your state's CC loicense (reciprocity). I assume each state is still going to have their own CC loicense and reciprocity lists; I doubt they'll all be "equal" in every state any time soon.
>>54151303ok cool anon you need it but you personally don't do jack shit to try and change things other than post memes on your discord servers.inb4 you immediately assume 'doing shit' means 'political violence'
>>54151329>just spend years in court to have the chance at having your rights recognized, youre not being infringed bro ;)Fuck off, they should have ruled license requirements unconstitutional
>>54151401In English, doc!
>>54151440Ignore Alito's because it's essentially sour grapes at the dissent, and should be taken as such. He's being a bitch and putting it on the record. Barrett's opinion is also important because it stresses she finds the historical aspect not great and open to further clarification and resolution to actually provide standards according to thomas.
>>54151472Man, I hope so and I hope the NYSRPA keeps the ball rolling.>What if I just decide to not include any references?You get an immediate denial.>What if I don't even live in your state?Hochul's Hooligans (formerly Cuomo's Democratic Peace Keepers) come to personally fuck your ass.
>>54148747This is a fucking disaster. Fuck these satan worshiping republicans and their death cult. Unless you are police, military, or private security; you do NOT need a gun. Once a liberal court takes power, this will all be sorted immediately. In fact, Biden should pack the court as soon as possible to end this madness.
541515390/10, too obvious. (You) denied.
>>54151169>So...concealed carry is now constitutional and allowed in all states?Always has been.
>/k/'s favorite hobbies>responding to sock puppets and larping as operators
>>54151539The only thing Biden will be packing is his adult diaper.
>>54151580This whole board is full of nothing but ROTC rejects who get off on imagining themselves overthrowing the government.
>>54151532>Hates troons>Defends Kiwi FarmsIronic
>>54151345>is a nogunz touristYou have to be 18 to post here /pol/troon.Bootlickers do not belong on this board.
>>54151070They are all dangerous weapons of war and there is no reason for a civilian to have them.>b-b-b-but I NEED to hunt deer with a military silencer!You don't need to hunt deer. Fuck off.
>>54151587>ROTC rejectsWell, actually I rejected them>who get off on imagining themselves overthrowing the government Correct.
>>54150335>>54149543If I walk around with a gun and then murder a multiple Supreme Court Justices. How fast will they backpeddle.
does this mean everyone in the us can conceal carry now without getting permits and paying a fuck ton?
>>54151589Half of the moderation team of KF is trannies, and no I’m not exaggerating.Its funny how they come here to bootlick dear feeder when its obvious to anybody not in on the circlejerk he’s a homosexual in denial. but god forbid you bring up his interest in shots catboys lest the banhammer fall upon ye…
>>54151488NICE DIGITS BUT "A GOOD AND SUBSTANTIAL REASON" SAID WITH TONGUE IN CHEEK WAS THE KEYSTONE OF EVERY MAY-ISSUE SCHEME IN THE COUNTRY AND IT JUST GOT BRAINED ON THE SIDEWALK SO IF YOU'RE GONNA DOOMPOST FURTHER I'M GONNA NEED TO SEE SOME SPECIFIC CITATIONS FROM THE DECISION BEFORE I STOP CALLING YOU A NIGGER FROM THIS POINT ONNIGGER
>>54151612lmao, straight up admitting to it.You're pathetic and I hope you are jailed right alongside the rest of Jan 6.
>>54151587Come, friend. We're watching Red Dawn again for the 3rd time today.
>>54151597In many EU countries it is considered extremely rude to discharge a firearm without a suppressor. Some jurisdictions even have noise ordinances requiring their use.
>>54151604Keep seething kid.Maybe if you grew a pair and practiced self-discipline you’d be able to work a job and afford to move out from your mother’s place.
>>54151616No, this means that they can't refuse you a license, you still have to fill the requirements and pay fees
>>54151616No. It just means the state can’t make shit up if you apply for a permit so they can’t give it to you. You STILL have to fulfill whatever requirements they have, including classes and applications.
>>54151627Okay, why do you need to discharge a firearm in the first place?
>>54151616>Without getting permitsNo. Even Thomas admits permits are constitutional. >Paying a fucktonDepends. As long as it isn't an undue burden, then they can charge you and will charge you. It's basically insurance and to cover the cost of registration and upkeep.
>>54151587>get off on imagining themselves overthrowing the government.I doubt this part.I think they enjoy the multi-ethnic hell hole the government has provided them
>>54151644pest control, target practice, because I fucking feel like it?
>>54151597>You don't need to hunt deerI want to be capable of hunting at any given moment.
>>54151597My silencers are for hunting jannies, not deer.
>>54151654Doesn't sound like any concerns worth the risk of hitting an innocent with a stray shot. Why not leave things to professionals? You know, the people actually given a licence by the government to use dangerous weapons?
>>54151648Quite a lot of /k/ are rural kings so unlike your fellow white niggers most of us aren’t poorfags seething about having to live next to your browner kin in section 8.
>>54151673You mean the same professionals that refused to do their jobs and let a dozen kids get fucking domed?nahI don’t live in a slave state fren
>>54151681That happened because it was too risky to assault the room without risking civilians caught in the crossfire. When a police officer kills a civilian for any reason, that's a lawsuit. Also, if the shooter never had a gun in the first place, the entire situation wouldn't have happened.
>>54151619Not even doomposting, im glad that we got SOMETHING finally, i just dont think it goes far enough.
>>54150041Holy based! Viceroy putting in the work!
>>54151641how often do they make shit up to prevent people from getting the permit?
>>54151703They don't make anything up. Nobody in NYC needs access to a gun.
>>54151006I like you anon
>>54151676I live in a small town in Montana anon. In it there are a lot of people just like you who can't comprehend how the concrete jungles impact the entire economy and eventually our little bubbles as well.>inb4 just move if it gets bad plugging your ears and running is not a permanent solution
>>54151703That's the real fun part- under may-issue, they don't have to make shit up to prevent you from getting the permit. They just say 'no lol.' No refunds given, of course.
>>54151573t. someone with a CCL
>>54150423His wife is literally white
>>54151425Irrelevant. Thomas' opinion is all that matters
>>54151681Not the government's fault the only people signing up are cowards who hide behind the badge to protect their cowardly selves.
>>54151773Yes it is
>mfw complete libfag dude in my friend group told us he's going to start walking around with a cane sword because now there will be an apocalypse worth of shootings every 5 minutes
What's with the nogun flood here? If you don't like guns then why are you all on /k/ then?
>>54151753See >>54151440 concurrent opinions matter a lot to lower courts as they provide an idea of how to rule within the larger opinion. Kav and Rob both specify that to them at least this opinion of the court doesn't invalidate other gun laws, does not overrule Heller, and is consistent with Heller.
>>54151791Imagine his surprise when criminality starts to go down
>>54151691>im glad that we got SOMETHING finally, i just dont think it goes far enough.I AGREE WITH THAT BROTHER BUT I WAS EXPECTING AT BEST AN ADOPTION OF THE STRICT SCRUTINY TWO STEP AND ANOTHER GENERATION OF AGONIZING LIES BEING SPUN TO JUSTIFY NEW GUN LAWS AND INSTEAD THEY JUST BLEW THE FUCKING DOCTRINE UP WHERE IT STOODTHAT'S A WAY BETTER RESULT THAN PREDICTED. YEAH IT WILL TAKE NEW CHALLENGES, BUT THE DOOR IS NOW OPEN TO THEM AND WHEN IT COMES TO BLOWING ACTIVIST MONEY ON SUPREME COURT CHALLENGES: WHERE THERE'S A WAY THERE'S A WILL. BECAUSE DONATIONS DON'T FLOW TO IMPOSSIBLE CAUSES, PEOPLE GIVE AND SUPPORT SHIT THAT HAS A CHANCE OF WORKING.EVERYTOWN MONEY LAUNDERERS ON SUICIDE WATCH. NRA GOA FPC WILL BE ROLLING IN CASH AND GOING ON THE WARPATH IN EVERY COURT THEY CAN TO COLLECT GRABBIE FRAGSMAY ISSUE MORE LIKE COCK SUCKING GOVERNMENT AGENTS PRETENDING SELF DEFENSE ISN'T GOOD OR SUBSTANTIAL MAY ISSUE THEIR SCALPS IN COURT
>>54151814It won't. CC laws have very little effect on violent crime rates. The Memphis area in bleeding red TN is among the leaders and has been for decades, with loose CC laws.
>>54151712I CHECKED MY BILL OF NEEDS AND FOUND GUNS ON IT SO CHECK YOURS CAREFULLY IT'S PROBABLY LISTED AFTER "JOB" LOL
>>54151791Boy is he gonna be mad when SCOTUS overturns Roe v Wade tomorrow.
>>54151792luv me spoonsluv me gunsate niggers (not racist, just don't like em)simple as, la
>>54151792This happens every time there's some big event involving guns. When sandy hook happened a decade ago the board was fucking unusable for months from the deluge of armchair lawyers and constitutional scholars that needed to shit up every goddamn thread.
>>54151621Send bachelors and wear armor.
>>54151832>one region in one state has a problem, this means that CC doesn't work at allok
>>54151881What he's saying is that an armed society being a polite society is inversely correlated to the number of blacks in that society.
>>54151863Man I don't miss Sandy Vagina. I won't miss the Ukraine war either.
>>54151814There are other factors associated more strongly with crime rates than guns or CC
>>54151863Don't forget liberal authoritarians, and people pretending to be that for lulz.
>>54151868They'll be sending you in a body bag.
>>54151850that would be an absolute disaster
>>54150655Fucking double nigger, go back to /news/.
>>54151413We really need to kick all the major cities out of the Union.
>>54151070there isn't. there hasn't been a second amendment challenge to the NFA's regulation of those items.
>>54151589>>54151618It is absolutely comical how much people on 4chan meltdown any time the KF is brought up. Reddit and Twitter don't cause the kind of hysterical psychosis it does.
>>54151938Make Metropolitan States a thing. Essentially strangle the existing city states (NY, SF, LA) by liberating the rest of the population of their current States from the city politics and government, and make a few territories into States to balance things in the Senate. I'm thinking Metropolitan States of New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco and new States of Puerto Rico and maybe Guam would balance out.
>>54151915Don't bring just one.
>>54151938I think the problem with major cities would be rectified by treating any population center with over 1 million pop. as a separate entity from its home state for voting purposes, like DC.
>>54151881There's also: Anchorage, alaska, Florence SC (Higher per capital murder rate in the MSA than fucking baltimore), Sumpter SC, Lubbock Texas, and so on. CC laws don't seem to have much on an effect on the crime or murder rate.
>>54151956Everyone hates leeddit and twatter screenshot post and links, you nigger faggot.
>>54151597I need to be able to murder police officers without anyone noticing until they find the body in a dumpster.
>>54151994Try posting a screenshot of the Kiwi Farms on any board and watch what happens. You'll see the trannies crawl out like earthworms on wet concrete.
>>54151973You can't prove that crime and murder rate would stay the same if these places had the same laws as new york had
>>54151368is this from the ruling?
>>54152032I can't but statistics can. In general, states with looser CC laws end up having more officer involved shootings occur, higher instances of road rage shootings, and a slight increase in the murder rate due to said road rage shootings leading to murder/manslaughter charges. In general, looser CC laws do not decrease the amount of violent crime committed in general, but they don't do a lot to increase it either. Stricter ones do decrease murder rates somewhat, but it's hard to tell if that's because of failed self defense cases, or less shootings, or what. In general though, the claim that high rates of concealed carry decrease crime isn't true. Property crime rates for example, don't seem to be noticeably lower in CC loose states in accordance to population density.
>>54149479That's a fucking airsoft gun you absolute queer
>>54152109damn you tore that sock puppet a new asshole, very based and /k/pilled
>>54151673>stop giving this faggot (you)'s you retarded bait takers
>>54152200>I can't argue with his points, so I'll just say it is bait!
>>54151041>no one dies to HIV anymore and monkeypox is a meme.People die of AIDS all the time and you bug chasing homo.>b-but muh expensive medication I have to ake for the rest of my lifeIf HIV isn't dangerous anymore then just stop taking your HIV meds! :^)
>>54150738why are you here, e*ropean?
>>54152109how can you tell?
>>54150119>Mark 23 with the cool compWhat style of carry? Clearly appendix is out since there's no room due to your huge cock and balls.
>>54151070the nfa has been around for a while so that means it's okay now
>>54152267I think you can see the injection molding near the rear of the lower right behind the take down pin. It's oddly out of place for a forged or milled aluminum lower.
>>54152287The NFA doesn't actually ban anything either. It only taxes things. It wouldn't surprise me if it would be ruled constitutional on the grounds that it's legal for the feds to levy taxes. The MG registry being closed is blatantly unconstitutional though. That should be the next thing progun orgs try to take to the SCOTUS.
>>54151421Somebody's morals are always fighting for society. As a godless heathen, I'd rather have it be morals that don't tear my society apart and propagate shit intended to atomize and balkanize my culture. If I have to listen to jesus talk as a small price, I'll take it over the alternative.
>>54148747This ruling goes way beyond carry permits. SCOTUS fucked all means-end tests. Historical intent is the only test now. Whatever libshits believe the effect of gun control to be, the effect can no longer be a legal justification.
>>54152449"Unlimited power of the sword" and "every other terrible implement of the soldier" incoming. Can you feel it, boys?
>>54152330>It wouldn't surprise me if it would be ruled constitutional on the grounds that it's legal for the feds to levy taxes.WELL IT'D SURPRISE THE REST OF US BECAUSE EXCESSIVE GUN TAXES HAVE ALREADY BEEN STRUCK DOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE AS PLAINLY A PRACTICAL BAN AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL THE SAME WAY POLL TAXES AREIT WAS ACTUALLY STRUCK DOWN UNDER THE 9TH CIRCUIT TOO WHICH IS SUPER FUNNYAND THE ATF'S DOCTRINE OF OUT OF CONTROL WAITS, INSTRUSIVE REGISTRY, AND ONEROUS HANDLING RESTRICTIONS IS FOUL SHIT THAT PASSES NO LEVEL OF SCRUTINY>The MG registry being closed is blatantly unconstitutional though. That should be the next thing progun orgs try to take to the SCOTUS.THE PRIORITIES ARE >mags>suppressors>SBRs and SBSs>machine gunsIN THAT ORDERIF THE TEETH OF THE NFA CAN BE PULLED ALL AT ONCE THAT'S GREAT BUT NOT REALISTIC AND FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT IT'D BE BETTER FOR BANNED SHIT TO GET DRIP FED BACK INTO SOCIETY LIKE IT WAS WITH THE AWB SO BEHAVIOR AND CULTURE CAN RE-ADAPT TO COMMERCIAL AVAILABILITY OF THE NEW OLD TOYSI WANT A SELECT FIRE WEAPON BUT AN OVERNIGHT FLOOD OF GIGGLE SWITCHES ON STORE SHELVES BEING INSTANTLY AVAILABLE TO EVERY SPIC NIGGER WIGGER AND DUMBSHIT LIB NONE OF WHICH HAVE FIRED AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON IN THEIR PUTRID LIVES WOULD LIKELY GET ME AND MY NEIGHBORS SHOT BY NEARBY DIPSHITS UNCONTROLLABLY MAGDUMPING IN RANDOM DIRECTIONSIDEAL TIMELINE:>mag laws struck down and may issue states cleaned out all at once>suppressors removed from the NFA entirely, unregulated, registry destroyed>sbrs and sbss removed from the NFA entirely, unregulated, and registry destroyed.>machine gun registry re-opened with a waiting limit cap placed on the ATF>some time passes in this state to let gun culture (training, habits, exposure etc) catch up to the drastically improved availability >once select fire is so common its boring, it can be removed from the NFA entirelyTHIS IS A SOMEWHAT REALISTIC OUTCOME ON AN UNCERTAIN TIMESCALE
>>54152572FURTHER, I EXPECT THIS TO COME TO PASS ONLY AFTER THE GOVERNMENT HAS SO RADICALLY MECHANIZED, AUTOMATED, AND INTEGRATED THEIR AGENTS WITH ADVANCED ELECTRONICS AND ROBOTICS THAT INSTEAD OF "TANKS, JETS, AND DRONES" THE MEME BECOMES "OK WHAT DO YOU EXPECT YOUR ASSAULT RIFLE TO DO AGAINST KILLBOT ARMY LOL" WHILE WE ARE AT THAT POINT ARGUING THAT DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES AND CIVILIAN OWNED KILLBOTS NO LONGER BELONG ON THE NFA
>>54152572>AN OVERNIGHT FLOOD OF GIGGLE SWITCHES ON STORE SHELVES BEING INSTANTLY AVAILABLE TO EVERY SPIC NIGGER WIGGER AND DUMBSHIT LIB NONE OF WHICH HAVE FIRED AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON IN THEIR PUTRID LIVES That already happened, thanks wish.com>WOULD LIKELY GET ME AND MY NEIGHBORS SHOT BY NEARBY DIPSHITS UNCONTROLLABLY MAGDUMPING IN RANDOM DIRECTIONSBut that clearly hasn't. Let's face it; if you're actually in harms' way when niggers are spraying lead in each others' general directions, there's a very high probability you're a nigger.
>>54152330>MG registry being closed is blatantly unconstitutional though. That should be the next thing progun orgs try to take to the SCOTUSUS v Rock Island Armory, Leary v US that is all
>>54152572The thing is that MGs are already legal to own under the NFA. The "registry" being closed after May 19, 1986 is bullshit, since it created an arbitrary cutoff date for something protected by the Bill of Rights being legal. If that portion of the FOPA was overturned, MGs would simply become regular NFA items again like silencers and SBRs. Basically only enthusiasts would buy them.The other low-hanging fruit I see in the NFA is the fact that SBRs, SBSs, and silencers all require a $200 tax while the AOW tax is only $5. This is also arbitrary. I don't see on what grounds the AOW tax can be $5 but the others have to be $200. Of course I don't think there should be any taxes, but this seems like something that would be incredibly easy to revise in one of those "must pass" omnibus tax bills that wouldn't rely on a SCOTUS ruling. I wish progun lawmakers would get creative and attack the NFA "under the radar" instead of making it easy for the anti-gunners to rally their base with, "GUN NUTS WANT EVERYONE TO HAVE NINJA ASSASSIN SILENCERS HERE'S WHY THAT'S A BAD THING." Just make the NFA tax $5 instead of $200, and silencers become a lot more attainable for the average person who is already legally allowed to buy guns and do the NFA eforms, Silencer Shop kiosk, etc.
>>54152702I'm not a lawfag, but are you saying I should go ahead and drill the third pin because it's unconstitutional for the feds to force me to incriminate myself by filing a Form 1?
>>54152650I hate niggers so much it's unreal.They do not deserve any of the freedom they're currently abusing.
>>54152650>That already happened, thanks wish.comTODAYS LEVEL OF ILLEGAL MACHINE GUN OWNERSHIP IS A TINY FRACTION OF THE SIZE OF THE POTENTIAL OWNERSHIP POOL THAT'S WAITING FOR LAWFUL ACCESS. WIDESPREAD LAWFUL EXPOSURE, MEANING PEOPLE ARE EXPOSED IN PERSON TO GUN STORE AND RANGE RENTAL INVENTORY, WOULD DRASTICALLY RAISE INTEREST TO NEAR UNIVERSAL.RIGHT NOW ITS ESSENTIALLY JUST A FEW SPICS AND NIGGERS RUNNING AROUND WITH AUTOMATIC PISTOLS. ALMOST NO AUTOMATIC RIFLES BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO MAKE ONE. ONCE THE GATES ARE EVEN AN INCH OPEN EVERY SINGLE LAW ABIDING AR OWNER WITH A TAX STAMP IS GOING TO GET THEMSELVES AT LEAST ONE AUTOMATIC LOWER RIGHT AWAY, AND THE STAMPLESS WILL QUICKLY FOLLOW BECAUSE MACHINE GUNS ARE SO HIGHLY DESIRED.MACHINE GUN PROLIFERATION IS NO WHERE NEAR WHERE IT WOULD BE ONCE THE REGISTRY IS RE-OPENED. YOU CAN GET A HINT OF HOW BIG THIS DISPARITY IS BY EXAMINING HOW RARE ILLEGAL SBRS WERE IN THE YEARS PRIOR TO THE EXISTENCE OF THE BRACE VS HOW COMMON BRACED PISTOLS BECAME ONCE THE BRACE RULES GOT ISSUED. AND THAT'S FOR A RELATIVELY MINOR THING LIKE A SLIGHTLY SHORTER BARREL ON AN AR.>But that clearly hasn't. Let's face it; if you're actually in harms' way when niggers are spraying lead in each others' general directions, there's a very high probability you're a nigger.I'M NOT BUT I PLAY ONE ON TV.BY THE WAY THE NIGGERS ACROSS THE HIGHWAY HAVE ONLY PUT TWO ROUNDS INTO A NEIGHBORS HOUSE OVER A 4 YEAR PERIOD WITH NEGLIGENT DISCHARGES. WHAT TOOK THE NIGGERS 4 YEARS TO DO I'VE EXPERIENCED LIBS AND WIGGERS NEEDING ONLY A FEW MINUTES TO GET TO WHEN I'M INNAWOODS OR ATTARANGE SO YOU'LL FORGIVE ME IF I'M A LITTLE EGALITARIAN WITH MY DISGUST FOR UNSUPERVISED NAIVE RETARDS BEING HANDED FIREARMS WITHOUT EVEN BEING INSTRUCTED ON HOW THE FUCKING SIGHTS WORKTHIS ISN'T A COMPLAINT ABOUT THEM HAVING ACCESS, I'M COMPLAINING ABOUT THEIR ENABLERS NOT HAVING THE COMMON FUCKING DECENCY TO TEACH THEM ELEMENTARY MARKSMANSHIP BEFOREHAND.
>>54152572Justice Thomas, that you?
>>54148747The same P365 I always carry, because I don't live in a liberal shithole.
>>54150239this board has been trash since the war in ukrain, nothing but wannabe glownigger pseuds shitposters. it's somehow worse then before
>>54150472Breyer had no logic in his argument from the get go he just sperged like a schizophrenic, just like you it's all sophistry.
>>54150985Weird fetish you have there, but gun laws getting stricken down is a good thing. You transplants, whether from the election, r/coontown, stormfront, or fucking ebaumsworld don't get to decide what's /k/. Go back.>>54151006>39. CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
>>54151481But at least they have to issue a non-residents concealed carry permit, right?
>>54151725They're still nice for letting you skip background checks when buying new guns.
>>54154378WHAT CAN I SAY EXCEPT YES