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>NATO jets

Please let it be A10.
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>>54147184
Aside from the fact it explicitly says falcons, the f-16 is more suited than a shitty cas plane
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>>54147184
Call me when this passed the senate.
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>>54147184
>Kinzinger
Lol

LMAO even
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>>54147204
suited for what? they aren't stealth and russia has more anti air systems than they have anally intact conscripts
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>>54147264
All those systems and yet Ukraine still doing sorties
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>>54147264
And yet they can't down an Alibaba drone baka
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>>54147286
yes, with su-25s flying at 20m
exactly my point
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>>54147287
Remind me what happened at Aramco?
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>>54147184
>70s shit fighting 70s shit
why arent we giving high tech gear?
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>>54147293
>Aramco
? I don't think it was Aramco, it was in Rostov.
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>Kinzinger
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>>54147217
I bet they were training them for months already, but r*ssia is such a joke they can now openly claim to doing so.
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>>54147289
I don't think this is 20m bro
https://youtu.be/bFcAE-ulizE
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>>54147304
American 70's shit is superior
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>>54147184
Hope it happens, but it probably won't.
Wish western governments stopped pussyfooting around. This shit should've been started day 1. Or at least as soon as it became obvious that it was going to be army vs army, instead of guerrilla fighters vs army.
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What is the benefit of transitioning Ukraine's pilots from one 50 year old plane they are familiar with to another 50 year old plane they are not familiar with?
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>>54147356
Munitions, namely access to modern fire and forget missiles, SEAD munitions, western precision guided bombs.
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>>54147369
yeah pretty much this, they can't put Hellfire on su-27
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>>54147369
So we're going to be supplying them with all that shit too? Damn, why don't we just fight the war for them ourselves?
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>>54147369
good point but only if west will indeed hand over advanced munitions
so far there's no reports of SADARM type or laser guided shells for howitzers for example
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>>54147397
well there's no point in giving them F-16s and none of the shit above
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Just do what the Soviets did during Korea
>send modern planes as military aid
>send advisors to train them on how to fly
>actually have the advisors fly the plane on combat missions
>laugh as this minimal amount of plausible deniability prevents your opponent from nuking you even though they know what you're doing
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Kek, the last 3 ukraine pilots still alive
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>>54147414
Why are we giving them any of it?
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>>54147289
>F-16s can't fly at low level!!
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>>54147349
Western governments have given ukraine everything they have except useless outdated garbage. There's nothing left to give thats why biden and boris and macrone are negotiating peace
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>>54147440
I am demoralized, now. I am going to contact my representatives to tell them to ask Putin for peace!
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>>54147264
>suited for what?
Fighting against opponent with more sophisticated air defense than 12.7mm machine guns and technicals with 23mm hand cranked AA-guns using cellphones as command network.

Daily reminder that Iraqi army after war decade long war with Iran was almost depleted of anti-aircraft missiles. Only Republican Guards were anywhere near their nominal stockpiles of missiles during Desert Storm. A-10's lasted slightly less than hour against opponent with air defense and all CAS missions in areas with known actual air defenses were assigned to F-15E's, F-16's and F-111's. F-111's fucked more Iraqi armor than A-10's in that war.

Ever since A-10 has only been one of the least bad COIN planes in US inventory. USAF would have been better off if they had retired A-10's in 90's or early 2000's and used dedicated COIN light attack plane for daily bombing runs against goat fuckers with no air defense and high performance multirole fighters armed with PGM's and stand off weaponry against opponents that have air force or at least substantial inventory of sophisticated air defense weaponry.
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>>54147314
Do you have any image of partisans doing the same to chetniks?
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>>54147449
Why would they listen to cattle?
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>>54147422
ukr aviation is still flying missions 4 months into the war that destroyed 600% of ukr aviation in the first 2 hours
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>>54147510
Cattle? But I'm not a Russian soldier, nor a donbabwean. I'm not the one being sent to die to capture a few blocks of rubble in eastern Ukraine.
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>>54147510
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m94wyCFtkrw
lol
lmao
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>>54147551
You are just a loser paying for the war with 30% inflation who thinks your owners care about your opinion that they assigned to you
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>>54147608
lol
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>>54147422
Literally one just flew above my home Su 25 it seems
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>>54147341
Romanian Air Force LanceR as photo for MiG-21 is hilarious for couple reasons. Those were heavily modernized in 90's with Israeli avionics, so its avionics are comparable to 80's vintage F-16's. Sure everything related to radar performance is limited by size of dish, but those are likely more sophisticated than huge majority of MiG-29's in currently in service.

>>54147356
They can be supplied spare parts and weaponry for western fighters.

>>54147414
Dead and mutilated vatniggers is a good enough point.
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>>54147630
>You are just a loser paying for the war with 30% inflation
My country's inflation is like 5-6%.
Russia, however...
>Russia's inflation rate may come in close to 14% in 2022, the central bank governor said on Thursday.
and
>annual inflation in Russia accelerated to 17.49% as of April 8, its highest since february 2002 and up from 16.70% a week earlier.
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>>54147681
Inflation in usa is 30% in May and only 4% in Russia, that's why the Ruble is the strongest currency in the world

Strongest currency and strongest military, maybe the usa should stop focusing on anal sex if they are tired of losing
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>>54147814
>that's why the Ruble is the strongest currency in the world
>can't be traded by outsiders
Open up the markets. Come on.
Show how strong it really is.
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>>54147440
It's over, bros. We must hand over the Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Slovakia, Czechia, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Sweden and Finland. And maybe, just maybe, Putin will only raise his eyebrow, and once again show his endless generosity, in face of this blatant HATO aggression.
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>>54147814
>strongest military
Is that why you're crowdfunding wrenches and forklifts for your airforce?
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>>54147432
I don't know anon. We've spent the last 75 years preventing Russian expansionism. WW2 was partially about Russian expansionism. And Gemany joined the Austrian- Hungarians in WW1 to curb Russian expansionism.
It almost seems like Russian expansionism is the catalyst for world wars, and when it's kept in check, world wars don't happen.
Pacifists have gotten more Americans killed than the Clinton and the Cheneys combined.
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>>54147877
Include Germany and it'll be a start, something to open the negotiation process with.
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>>54147867
Yep, you have nothing of value to buy rubles with, too bad you can starve to death in the cold . No food or fuel for you mutt until you create value. Haha you can't have any rubles tou are stuck with paper $
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>>54147314
Blacked porn watcher etc etc fuck off serb dog
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>>54147440
Source: my ass
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>>54147901
Keep sending your garbage weapons to Ukraine and Russia will keep blowing them up, or did you run out? (Yes)
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>54147920
Pushed it too far. Can't expect me to believe this level of delusion really exists. Suspension of disbelief can only carry your bait so far.
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>>54147814
>Russia is following the example of best Korea
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>you can't have any rubles
But I'm not short of toilet paper
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>>54147969
Bidenflation is destroying America, even Russia and North Korea are doing better. Mutts get what they deserve. Maybe yall should stop castrating your boys and you might win the next war, this one is over
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Do we have any old F-16s still flying? No, right? Most of them are Block 50/52s aren't they? That's less than 30 years old not counting all the inter-Block upgrades over the years. And there's huge upgrade coming to 600 planes giving them AESA, advanced EW, new computers and other stuff. Maybe the idea behind this bill is that we can unlock the older planes not getting the upgrade to give to Ukraine.
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>>54148007
>even Russia and North Korea are doing better
I wouldn't be surprised if vatniggers believed that.
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Ukraine should get A-10s so everyone reaches the wrong conclusions from their amazing performance against Vatniks with no AA which will ultimately result in A-10s or their replacements dying in droves when a real war starts.
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>>54148178
Ukrs are relaying heavily on su-25 and having some successes with them. Are su025 better than a-10?
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>>54147680
Danes have been actively updating F-16 avionics into the late 00/10s where clappers bought the company to put it in their own F-16s.
>>54147356
Because the west has a fuckload of F-16s they've begun to replace with F-35s and they also have loads of spare parts and other equipment, possibly lots of compatible munitions as well, but a lot of smaller European countries ran out of munitions for their F-16s in Libya. Basically they have a growing surplus of them to supply to the Ukranians. In general helping the Ukranians transition to NATO surplus over Soviet surplus makes it easier to supply them in the long term and for future equipment integration.
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>>54147814
Russian GDP is literally in recession
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>>54148192
>tfw no SU-25 and A-10 buddy cop bombing runs on Russian cold war surplus
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>>54147969
>measuring the health of an economy be looking at the your currency vs the US dollar
ngmi
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>>54148362
>our currency is stronger
Ok, let it compete on an open market
>nnn-no
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>>54147184
The A10 is a propeller plane, so it can't be it if they're talking about jets.
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One of the goofier Russian propaganda lines is "the West can't defend itself because they gave all their weapons away". And it's not because of the wrong premise (giving away all weapons). This argument is essentially threatening the West with attack by Russia.
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>>54148422
>A10 is a propeller plane
I-ivan... I
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yuor nato lies have been decoded, this is what the massage really said
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>>54148474
kek
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>>54147356
Because this 50 year old plane is made by the US and can be shipped over. No need to try to procure old soviet parts.
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>>54148466
It's okay, aftert his war Russia won't have any weapons left either.
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>>54148467
They use housings that make it look like a jet, but you can see they're propeller driven on the inside.
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>>54148773
This has to be bait.
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>>54148773
>Are turbofans turboprops?
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>>54148519
Russia doesn't need weapons to beat the AIDS ridden usa
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>>54147184
>Uke Vipers
God I fucking hope it happens
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>>54149056
But Russia has more AIDS than USA, hell, Russia has more AIDS than all the rest of Europe put together.
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>>54149056
>AIDS ridden
ironic
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>>54149124
SOON
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>>54147481
That would be Serbs killing Serbs
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>>54147309
Aramco got attacked by a shitty houthi drone once, guess he means that
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>>54147304
Because we can't stop it being captured without getting dirrectly involved. We use fancy shit when we have air supiority because if it's captured we know we can bomb it.
If something is captured in Ukraine there is no guarantee they'll be able to bomb it before it's taken back to Russia.
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>>54147184
>muh a10
F16 and F18 is better
A10 is only good for video games
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>>54147314
Go back faping to blacked troon
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>>54147407
Of course the west will, particularly SEAD shit because that's been the main issue stopping them from decisively forcing the Russians to retreat.
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>>54147397
That's the ideal war from USA standpoint: All the glory, no casualties.
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>>54148242
>Danes have been actively updating F-16 avionics into the late 00/10s where clappers bought the company to put it in their own F-16s.
Pretty much everyone outside of 3rd world upgrades their fighters extensively thru their lifecycle, some 3rd world countries may procure hardware to impress dictators, others might fall under bad terms with system provider later on. Its not uncommon that 20+ year old export F-16's are more capable fighters newer USAF F-16's, keeping fleets uniform is one reason why USAF and USN might be bit sluggish when it comes to upgrading their own equipment. It leads occasionally to rather odd sounding procurement policies from US military. Things like continuing to buy fighters with inferior components for few years, while exporting same fighters with better stuff in 'em.
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>>54147293
The Saudi state oil company? They went public with highest ever IPO, lied about their production capacity, got blown up a few times by Houthis... same old same old
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>>54147204
Ukraine has kept Su-25s in the air despite ostensible Russian air supremacy for over 100 days. They could probably make genuine use of A-10s.
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>>54147356
Because the Viper still shits on anything Russia can put in the air in numbers. Giving them F-35s wouldn't be fair to Russia.
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>>54147184
Instead of introducing retarded bills, maybe this retard can go back to school and learn the difference between THEIR snd THEY’RE.
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>>54147814
>Inflation in usa is 30% in May
In what reality? It's at 10% and already slowing down.
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>>54147814
The Russian GDP has shrunk by 4% while US GDP has grown by 5% and the EUs by 10%. Russia isn't about to go broke and anyone that thinks they are is a fool. That said the best chips Russia can get now are from the 90s and you can't even domestically produce airbags so long term it isn't going to be good for Russia.
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>>5414781four
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>We will see f16's shooting harms at s400's in our lifetime
Im very ok with this
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>>54148773
Is this real? Lmao
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>>54147416
>that time when 6 ginger vatniks in mig-+5's from fucking vladivostok ambushed 3 panthers and one navy chad 1 v 6'd them so hard the goverment had to keep it a secret during the entirety of the cold war
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>>54147397
Because we don't want Americans to die.
The Ukraine war is just an evolution of the American MICs jobs program, they figured out how to get the populace behind destroying an infinite amount of American labor by not actually risking American lives.
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>>54148178
I dont care if a10 is dogshit, i wanna see an isekai about su25 and a10 doing CAS together

>su25 fires radiation seekers at tors
>a10 maveriks the tanks, shitkas and shitstirs, does a gunrun with HE 30mm on the remaining infantry
>su25 goes around and drops some willypete on whats left because ukie warcrimes are based and justified
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>>54148773
>vatniks not understanding the concept of a turbofan
Ironic considering USSR was great at producing them
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>>54151186
He switched the numbers seems like. Because 30% inflation is a reality in Russia.
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>>54149124
Would be kino

And to all people wishing for A-10 and arguing that Ukrainians are using Su25 still, know that unfortunately they also have biggest losses on those machines.
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>>54147462
This is the thing that hurts me the most.

I do like the A-10 (because come on, it's pretty cool), but the truth is it was never a good weapons platform. And the only real reason we used it for so long was that it was the cheapest airframe we had that was suited to killing people who couldn't fight back against it.

Because when it really comes down to it if you had to kill a bunch of goat fuckers who had essentially zero AA capabilities would you really be blowing PGMs on them?
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>>54151867
Wht a lot of people forget about the A-10 is it was built with the WW2 mentality for a cold war gone hot. It was expected to fire 6 Mavericks, damage it's flaps with 2 of them and take out ~5 tanks before being shot down.
Survivability wasn't much of a consideration beside the pilot having a decent chance to eject.
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>>54151541
We didn't care if Americans died of starvation, homelessness, overdose or suicide from shitting the whole country down and disallowing productivity for over a year.
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>>54151137
Did you see how they use them? They fire salvos of unguided misses in the sky using them like rocket artillery. They simply can get closer, the same would happen with A-10. UA need ways to destroy RU's AA, only then they can use full potential of those.
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>le A-10 is le good meme
IT'S GOOD AGAINST PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN HAVE WW2 AA. IT IS SHIT AGAINST ANY NATION THAT HAS EVEN THE OLDEST MANPADS. IT IS TOO SLOW, TOO BIG, ITS GUN IS USELESS AND IT IS ESSENTIALLY A MISSILE BUS.

Stop this fucking meme please.
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>>54147814
>and only 4% in Russia
Inflation in Russia is over 17% and growing.
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>>54151867
>This is the thing that hurts me the most.
>I do like the A-10 (because come on, it's pretty cool), but the truth is it was never a good weapons platform. And the only real reason we used it for so long was that it was the cheapest airframe we had that was suited to killing people who couldn't fight back against it.
It was good plane, on engineering level and for first 10 years in the service. Then technology caught on the whole concept of slow and low attack aircraft when more capable, more mobile and better networked low altitude SAM's started to enter service in substantial numbers in 80's. A-10C upgrade made it pretty good platform for all kinds of PGM's.

Basically everything about A-10. From development, USAF attempts to get rid of it and how long it has survived is a political clusterfuck, involving actual politicians and politicians in uniform aka flag and staff officers. Starting way before A-10 was a thing. Starting with the Key West Agreement and ending up John McCain defending jobs in Arizona over actual defense priorities. Key West Agreement has been one of the biggest fuck ups in US military history.

>>54151908
>Wht a lot of people forget about the A-10 is it was built with the WW2 mentality for a cold war gone hot. It was expected to fire 6 Mavericks, damage it's flaps with 2 of them and take out ~5 tanks before being shot down.
>Survivability wasn't much of a consideration beside the pilot having a decent chance to eject.
Cold War logic was bizarre, but it all made sense at the time. Survivability and capability limp back to base after being damaged were key design goals. It is kinda funny how old military politics gave it a much longer range than its possible combat missions required. A lot of squadrons intended to use A-10's were ANG units based in US. They needed good ferry range to get into combat in Europe, without taking too many tankers out of other operations. As result it ended up having good orbit time over battlefield.
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>>54152400
>It was good plane, on engineering level and for first 10 years in the service. Then technology caught on the whole concept of slow and low attack aircraft when more capable, more mobile and better networked low altitude SAM's started to enter service in substantial numbers in 80's. A-10C upgrade made it pretty good platform for all kinds of PGM's.

I agree on a purely engineering level it is an impressive aircraft. But to focus on the A-10C comment while it was capable to utilize PGMs effectively the problem is that there were other aircraft in inventory that utilized PGMs better at the time. The fact is the A-10 was probably never going to be a "good" choice in any circumstance when compared to other aircraft that were available, because essentially there is an aircraft that does the job better in every scenario since it's inception. It was outmoded almost immediately simply because it was designed for a role that didn't exist anymore.

The thing it was best at was COIN in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that's essentially because it was cheap and we probably should have been using prop aircraft for those operations in hindsight to save on costs even more (with the exception of ISIS ops since they did have some MANPADS and AA capabilities and something like a Tucano would have been immediately shot down), we just didn't have anything in inventory and didn't expect operations to go on for so long.
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>>54152832
>I agree on a purely engineering level it is an impressive aircraft. But to focus on the A-10C comment while it was capable to utilize PGMs effectively the problem is that there were other aircraft in inventory that utilized PGMs better at the time. The fact is the A-10 was probably never going to be a "good" choice in any circumstance when compared to other aircraft that were available, because essentially there is an aircraft that does the job better in every scenario since it's inception.
What made A-10, especially upgraded C models the least bad "fighter" in USAF inventory in recent conflicts has been its relatively low operation costs and good orbit time above battlefield. Relatively low costs when compared to proper fighters. B-1B is also often said to have been great platform in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, that ability to loiter over battlefield while carrying lots of different munitions for any potential thing that might arise. Operationally Bone was great, looking at operating costs, probably not so much.
>The thing it was best at was COIN in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that's essentially because it was cheap and we probably should have been using prop aircraft for those operations in hindsight to save on costs even more (with the exception of ISIS ops since they did have some MANPADS and AA capabilities and something like a Tucano would have been immediately shot down), we just didn't have anything in inventory and didn't expect operations to go on for so long.
Tucano has enough ceiling stay out of reach of MANPADS and light AAA if it is using PGM's. What makes MANPADS so effective in Ukraine when compared to Syria and other recent conflicts is much better communications that Ukrainians have over ISIS and random rebels. Russian lack of PGM's forcing lower altitudes is also a factor. What makes COIN plane good is low operating costs when compared to any higher performance jet or helicopter for CAS.

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When it comes to USAF fight against light COIN attacker, it is mostly about politics between different service branches and money. When it became apparent that both Afghanistan and Iraq will go on longer than expected, USAF insisted that fast jets and drones would be the answer. Reality was that drones at that point weren't mature or cheap enough technology. Fast jets, even less viable alternative at large due to operating costs. Bombers like B-1B or B-52, B-1B has bit of reputation for being hangar queen. B-52's costs had risen a lot due old as fuck engines requiring far more maintenance than those used to and being only reason to produce spares for those engines. Thank god they are now actually moving ahead with engine replacement for B-52.

What was the USAF problem with light COIN attacker? Not invented here was a large factor. Urgent request for such thing came from army and SOCOM in particular. Only actually available plane to fit description was from Brazilian manufacturer probably irked them even more. This the one contract they were absolutely adamant that there will be competition for, unlike KC-135 replacement debacle starting in 90's that was more than bit corrupt. In that case USAF would have leased their tankers Boeing and then bought them without competition as they already operated those. Undersecretary for air force acquisitions that ended up in becoming felon in aftermath, still got job from Boeing after dust had settled. What is actually really funny obscure detail in tanker leasing scandal is that reporter who broke story was Joe Galloway. Same guy who was embedded with 1st cavalry in battle of Ia Drang and helped Hal Moore to write the book about the battle as ghost writer. He got bronze star as civilian long after the fact due to veterans of battle starting writing campaign.

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>>54154026
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>>54147920
I'm gonna go enjoy a steak dinner tonight, and leave a fat tip in your honor, Igor. Have a good one. Enjoy your shitty lentil stew or whatever garbage you clowns eat.
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You know why Congress gets involved on these matters? Because they're the grown-ups who are in charge of the nation's wallet. The military wants that wallet to be opened to improve their capabilities, and and parents want the kids to have a nice ride but they also have to balance the books at the end of the day.

The A10 is an excellent CAS platform. Newer planes can do the job better -- but NOT more efficiently. The only thing the Army has that's cheaper to fly than the A10 are drones. So the plane has been kept around for so long. Now that drone performance per dollar is going way up, THAT spells the end of the A10.
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>>54147339
They approach at sub 50m in an area with the least russian air coverage...
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>>54154247
to refurbish the A-10 fleet to modern standards would be more expensive than new F-35s and the A-10 gets more expensive every year to fly and maintain, it's over anon.
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>>54147314
Hello faggot serb
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>>54154247
>The only thing the Army has that's cheaper to fly than the A10 are drones
And Attack Helicopters
And there we get into the real crux of the issue, Drones and Attack Helicopters are really just as survivable in similar situations to the A-10, and suffer the same problems in hotter airspaces. The only real thing the A-10 has is speed in a straight line, which is negligible against modern IADS/Manpads. Yeah, that improves response time but drones can also stay up the air for a lot longer, and Apaches also stay up longer than A-10s.
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>>54147304
because training people to use the modern planes takes more time than training them to use and repair the older ones
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Adam Kinzinger is a bigger faggot than the dudes who sodomize each other daily in the nightclubs of San Francisco. In every photo the guy is trying to look tough, but he he is such a shit-eater.

The man must be compensating for something. I bet his wife has a boyfriend.
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>>54147814
>4% in Russia
Month to month, yeah.
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>>54154138
Not him but...
>be American
>known as obese retarded mutts
>only tolerated by the rest of the world because you consume any shit we sell you and your corrupt government would send your poor to die in droves for a gay McDonald's in Kabul
>openly celebrate this because your so unaware of the irony.

Are Americans that self centered and cowed?
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>>54147356
Because Ukraine has no planes left they where majority destroyed on the ground in the first weeks and have atrited the rest, what was left isn't combat effective.

mig-29's are notoriously shitty to maintain so anybody with old stock like Poland haven't really taken care of them because they are expensive and difficult to maintain so why bother when you have better.
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>>54154384
Oh so now its 50m?

How many more posts until you align with the footage actually being posted?
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>>54155030
That's clearly not the case, but adoption of NATO-made equipment most certainly is. Soviet-made planes had only a so many years left in them, so this is a "perfect storm" to get something better
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>>54155030
>mig-29's are notoriously shitty to maintain
Moreso than Su-27's? I always thought the MiG-29 was supposed to be cheaper and easier to maintain.
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>>54151417
more info on this?
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>>54147264
>they aren't stealth
HOLY SHIT FUCK OFF WITH THE STEALTH MEME
Stealth planes aren't even stealth. All it does is reduce your radar signature and makes you harder to spot. It does NOT make you invisible. The Ukrainians currently sue non-stealth planes and do just fine with them, there are just not enough and they don't have total air superiority.

Holy fucking shit am I sick of this "everything has to be stealth" bullshit. More like "everything has to be expensive".
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>>54155353
https://militaryhistorynow.com/2022/05/03/panther-vs-mig-inside-the-cold-war-dogfight-that-officially-never-happened/
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>>54147287
no matter how buff you get a fly will always be a bitch to swat
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>>54151867
>it was the cheapest airframe
Keyword here is "was".
Modernized A-10s are ridiculously expensive.
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>>54147608
The sheep are from Dagestan.
The music was part of the original video first posted on the Russian net about a week ago.
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>>54147814
6.8% in USA
14% in Russia officially
Not even talking about whether those 14% are just cope considering essential goods and food have gone up 20-100% but even the official Russian information disagrees with you.
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>>54149056
Bait.
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>>54147814
I can't even tell if this is bait anymore
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>>54155178
Sukhoi was much less exported. Means fewer parts stolen from soviet inventories for quick cash, so you don't need to painstakingly manufacture new ones in tiny inefficient workshops or develop dangerous/compromising workarounds.
Same reason you see T62s rolling out but no old T72s or T55s. T62 was a relative export failure.
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>>54158003

Pull your head out of bidens asshole it's obvious Russia won the war
>The Russian ruble continues to rise against the dollar, making it the best-performing currency in the world this year
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>>54155428
>It does NOT make you invisible
No-one ever said it did, retard. You're the one who read more into "stealth" than anyone else, stupid
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>>54147264
>suited for what?
CAS for one, or did you forget falcons do it better than warthogs?
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>>54147289
>20 meters!
>>54154384
>50 meters!
Very jewish post
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In a based timeline the bongs would have trained enough pilots for Panavia Tornados, but alas, we'll have to wait another year for a mere non-zero chance for NATO planes doing their thing.
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>>54147432
Because it kills Russians.
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>>54147510
Is this how Russians view themselves? Truly dystopic.
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>>54161164
this appreciation is driven by no possibility to trade in currencies that its rising against - are you sure North Korea tier currency is a win?
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>>54147630
>30% inflation
What part of your broom-raped asshole did you pull this number from, Ivan?
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>>54147636
Is this what counts for a hearse in Russia? How dignified.
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>>54147680
MiG-21's are beatiful airframes.
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>>54147814
How the fuck does someone write this with a straight face? I swear to God I think most of these "Russian shills" are just Western glowies trying to paint Russians dumber than they really are.
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>>54161340
As someone who has family in Russia, a lot of them really believe this.
"Living here is shit, but at least everyone else has it worse" is their daily mantra.
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>>54161310
Your government won't let you buy rubles because your currency is Argentina tier they will keep you in garbage dollars and yuros. Mandatory homosexuality, mandatory castration for your sons and mandatory losses on your currency
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>>54155428
nothing stealth has ever meant "made invisible" in the history of ever thats a science fiction trope entirely
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>>54161353
In your opinion, how come a lot of the Russian diaspora is so pro-Russian even after seeing how good everyone else got it? I've heard stories about Russian Americans bringing their relatives over and they start ripping stuff from the shelves in grocery stores trying to prove it's a "fake store". You'd think stuff like that would wake someone up.
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>>54154138
>Enjoy your shitty lentil stew
Kek. Reminds me of an intercepted phonecall from a Russian soldier talking about how they were treated to meat and buckwheat, they'd only been eating soup before it.
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>>54161310
North Korea at least isn't a resource exporter. Paradoxically, a propped up ruble is actually bad for Russia at this very moment due to most of their income coming in euros and most of their expenditure being in rubles.
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>>54154384
If only Russians were as good at moving the frontlines as they are at moving the goalposts.
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>>54161377
The vatniks abroad are delusional in the other direction - they've never seen Russia in person. A lot of them are like the radicalized muslisms where mom and dad were happy to finally have a country where hard work pays off and laws work at least 50% of the time, but their son is going to salafists meetings because living in the west is unbearable.
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>>54147462
this is nu/k/ my dude. no one will believe you
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>>54161357
>Between January and September 2021, Russia’s Interior Ministry registered 2,025,712 Tajik citizens entering the country – 1.6 million of them, or about one-quarter of Tajikistan’s working-age population, with work as their official purpose. Over the same period, about 70,000 Tajik citizens received Russian citizenship. (The only country from which more people entered was Uzbekistan, with 3.3 million arrivals. But Uzbekistan has more than three times Tajikistan’s population.)
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>>54161377
Vatniks propaganda is like hypnosis. Biggest problem is not only come from the TV. I was horrified when saw even small channels on YouTube with 20k subscriptions were broadcasting their shit.
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>>54161407
This

Vatniks lives in shit, and hate Ukraine because it wants to be with the West.

In Bucha we saw the class hatred, where r*ssian rednecks who do not have a toilet turned a beautiful European city.
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>>54147184
An empty gesture since it will take too long to train the pilots and the aircraft maintainers, and to set up the supply chain and equipment needed.

The Ukraine needs aircraft they can operate and fight now, not in three months time
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>>54161720
The issue is, even assuming Ukraine was ready to pay twice their price, where will they source them at this point? Malaysia? African states that are in the same boat as Russia?
An interesting what-if would be China was willing to sell their Su-27 knockoffs, but in no world would they do that (and western support would dry up quickly as well.)
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Modern stealth does ABSOLUTELY make you flat-out invisible to old Russian crap. F-22 has a radar cross-section of a marble.
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>>54147314
lmao serbshitter, you lost. all the fronts you started in 90s you lost kek
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>>54148773
TFW they had propellers in ancient rome
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>>54147814
In the wast we measure inflation in years, not days my russian friend.
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>>54148773
?
I'll take the bait. That's a TURBINE, it spins to suck in air, then that air is mixed with fuel and turns explosive, but the fresh air is sucked in so fast and hard, that the excess heated air explosion is pushed backwards, creating propulsion.
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>>54161720
in three months there wont be any post soviet airframes to donate any more
- there are one or two dozen of mig29s and handful of su25s left - literally NATO is running out of those and if they wont start trainings now they wont make it in time (im not even mentioning older soviet models as their survivability would be abysmal)
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>>54147184
those three guys look more like cucked LARPers to me. out of all the competent people I've met in my entire life, not a single one would pose like that.
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>>54151575
*German engineers
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>Muh A10
I can't fucking wait for the A10 and their redd*t fansisters to disappear forever
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>>54147204
>a shitty cas plane
I thought it was already shown that A-10 sorties resulted in an unreasonably high number of friendly fire incidents compared to other aircraft in that role in gwot
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>>54161720
>3 months
Nigger if they started at the start of the war they'd literally have the jets by now
This is no longer an excuse to not train people when the war is predicated to last over 2 years
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>>54151575
>>54166147
German engineers, British sold designs



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