Sweden is paying for 24 more Archer systems to be produced, bringing their total to 74
>>54146257Damn I really hope we are giving away at least a dozen.It is somewhat likely that Ukies are being trained on these in country, but the gov aren't saying anything about it. I really hope so. These articulated loaders would be ideal for shoot and scoot from within forests.
>>54146413Since the new pieces don't even have a chassis to carry them yet, I don't think the army is very eager to send away those that actually work. Placing an order for new guns today means months or years before they are in working order. Unlike bigger nations, sweden only have as many guns as they need so there's not really any space to give these away to a foreign country fighting abroad
how long does it take to fuck off after you fire with these things?
>>54146475Nta but it kinda sucks that we cant give them more heavier stuff hopefully we can afford to give them some arty ammo, heard they are in a large need of it
>>54146413LOLwe need them for ourselfes. they are the only arty in the sweish military. and there is no way they are sending heavy equipment to ukraine. This also means reastarting production on a artillery system (the gun) that hasnt been produced for 30+ years all the current archers were conversions of existing guns
>>54146590We would've had stuff if not for the 90s downsizingShould've given them bandkanoner
>>54146612only 24 bkan were ever made and they were 60's tech based on a platform that went out of service in the 90's. I like bkan but there is a good reason they were all scrapped. only thing that could make sense to send is pbv 302's and most of those have already been scrapped by now as well
>>54146612we should have put all our Viggen in storage for this occasion and given them to ukes, can you imagine the bombing runs deep within russia with those fast fucks?
>>54146654Imagibe giving them the full war-time training tooMaybe provoke their airspace too, just to be a little cheeky
>>54146612We probably have logistic transport to send them bv 206
>>54146257You'd think that with the overt Russian aggression on display Sweden would be in a hurry to return to at least Cold War levels, which would require a lot more than 74 self-propelled guns and 40 self-propelled mortar vehicles.
>>54146654you realize it takes months if not years to train a fighter pilot on a new plane? there are reasons ppeople are not sending them f16's
>>54146687Arming takes timeThe boreal forest doesn't favor massed vehicle usage.Russians can only attack across the sea, or through the forest/swamp/hills their army isn't made to fight inA lot of armament as a result is in the sir force and navy. A handful of Archers with drone and personnel support could hold up a Russian force landing on the mainland longer than they could stand to recieve naval shipped supplies.In any war with Sweden, Gotland is the main concern and I don't think they have counters for our subs or meteor missiles.
>>54146692Just do what Russia did throughout the Cold War>>54146748Arming takes time, yes.All the more reason to pick up the pace when you need to more than triple your army in a hurry.
>>54146687And they are in the process of doing just that, OP just mentioned the artillery pieces.
>>54146748>our subsbtw, is there any public info on if you guys keep those subs in action or are they just sitting on drydocks somewhere excluding occasional training run?
>>54146654>we should have put all our Viggen in storage for this occasion and given them to ukes, can you imagine the bombing runs deep within russia with those fast fucks?S400 operators would be having the time of their lives.
>>54146257what are the advantages of this thing over just using rockets for the ranges and targets it's used at?
>>54146799What's the S400s combat track record anyway?
>>54146798There arent much public info on what they are up to except where they are station as far as I know. Definitely a more secretive part of our navy
>>54146818Rockets are generally less accurate and needs to be shot at a closer distance to be truly effective with as little collateral damage as possible even if they can be fired at a greater range.
>>54146821Lots of them been destroyed by drones.Have not heard of ukie planes being shot down by them, though that is not surprising considering that ukies are pretty careful about the few planes they have left.
>>54146821Getting destroyed by drones and F-35s mostly.
>>54146818I think rockets are more expensive and harder on logistics (just watch videos on how to reload them).
>>54146852I've heard stories about Viggens training on low altitude flying. Don't see why they can't do what the MiGs and Su planes do.
>>54146818>what are the advantages of this thing over just using rockets for the ranges and targets it's used at?A shell travels much faster for one, meaning wind etc has less of an effect on accuracy, plus less travel time means less time for the enemy to react. Secondly they are much more hard hitting, rockets are generally only good for soft targets unless we talk those super expensive special ones. And guns have better ability to deliver sustained volume of fire since they have short but regular reload times. A grad launches everything then spends 30 min reloading.
>>54146798According to a sub captain I know, they are out sailing on the regular. In peace time, the submarine force is an intelligence gathering force. When and where he wouldn't tell but it's a safe bet they are dicking about listening for submarines outside Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg.
>>54146862>low altitude flyingFlying at low altitude means gaining safety from the long range AA at the cost of putting yourself in danger from the short range AA, it is what makes the russians eat manpads all the time. At least in theory russian territory is as saturated with manpads and the ukraine side is
>>54146916Seems to work for them though, given how they fucked over those guys trying to hack them in Russia.
>>54146257Just send the Ukrainians these
>>54146916One of the most beautiful jets ever designed.
When's the new gen jets?
>>54146606>>54146475well, the fucking russians aren't ready for any escapades for years anyway. Seems like handing off 12 to kill vatniki today would make perfect sense. My gov probably does not see it that way though.If only the bandkanon had been properly mothballed we'd have something really good to give away.
>>54147075haubits 77?Are they still in storage? The Indians used to pound Pakistanis with those pretty hard
>>54147141Do I understand it incorrectly if I think that the gripen NG project got mothballed and was replaced by gripen 2020 project?
>>54147192had to google that. The Indians had/have 400 units. Sweden should buy 'em back and give them to Ukraine, IMO
>>54147290>Sweden should buy 'em backIndians don't give a shit about ukraine, they will charge fucking premium for those old guns because they know sweden is completely retarded when it comes to financial matters. This is like the pbv 501 fiasco, where the czech could cash a pretty penny by buying cheap from sweden and selling expensive to iraq a few years later
>>54147237There is no gripen 2020 project, only flygsystem 2020 which is for a newer fighter gen (5/6)
>>54147237its the other way around gripen ng is the alternative the chose instead of developing a new fighter (flygsystem 2020). Most likely there wont ever be another swedish jet, just too expensive. Altough maybe something will come out of a international project like tempest, which saab iss supposedly involved in
>>54148717Don't you mean gripen E?Or are you talking about something else?
>>54148783gripen ng = gripen E its just the project name for what was adopted as the E
>>54146257Why is their army so weak compared to Finland? They have barely any artillery.
>>54148846because big brain politicians that belived russia could never become a problem again. The swe military has run on 1% gdp for decades now and it has completely destroyed a lot of its capabilites
>>54147174>we could have lived in a world where the Bkan-1 come back from retirement to kill ruskiesWhy must this cruel universe tempt us so?
>>54148846Same reason as most other European countries.Politicians (and voters) that were either retarded or outright vatniks thinking that Sweden doesn't need an army.
>>54146257I love this little motherfucker like you wouldn't believe.I wish the Bundeswehr would just buy them instead of mounting a L52 on their LEGO truck to give the pzh 2000 a little friend.
>>54146859I know it isn't CGI, but something the editor did makes the rcws look like it.
>>54148717>>54148717>its the other way around gripen ng is the alternative the chose instead of developing a new fighter (flygsystem 2020). Most likely there wont ever be another swedish jet, just too expensive. Altough maybe something will come out of a international project like tempestFlygsystem 2020 is undergoing, we just don't know anything about it yethttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flygsystem_2020They are in arms with other countries trying to come up with 5th/6th gen stuff though. So it will probably come from a similar pool of technology as the Tempest.
>>54146257MIC dicks have to be so hard right now.
>>54149486FS2020 is a research project, it won’t result in engineering. No prototype or complete proposal for a next generation fighter will come of this. It is now referred to as FS2025 and will morph into FS2030 as it’s just research studies.
>>54151260We don't know that yet.Though I do think it might result in us getting ourselves a specced out Tempest down the line kind of like we have our own Leos.
>>54151292"We" don't. Obviously there are ongoing projects in the engineering phase at saab, because what else would they be doing, but trust me, FS202X is not one of them.
>>54151292A totally feasible scenario is that all the money that's supposed to go to rebuilding the military instead goes towards a new fighter jet and the rest of the military get nothing new of importance at all.
>>54146847guided rockts far easier to manufacture than guided shells, and if you have guided rockets you can hit targets at six or seven times the range of a normal or even a guided artillery shell
>>54149034These things were ahead of their time, some swefag /k/ommando posted a yt link of them shooting rapid salvos the other day.
>>54146865And the ammunition size makes logistics smaller.
>>54146257It might mean some kind of retrofit program for the first 48 as well. The current chassis is out of production for like 20 years, thats why they are looking at the MAN chassis. The guns were from stored Fh77's, and i think they spent all of those when converting into the Archer. So its gonna be interesting to see what gun and chassis they end up with, and if it somehow impacts the earlier versions.And its BAE running the show this time, and not Haggelunds. So hopefully they will not have the same ridiculous issues this time, pluss the current system has matured a bit.