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Burt's too lazy edition
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>>54140360
FIRST for God's CHOSEN PEOPLE
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How to make your own pistol springs? I want to manufacture the era of Comps since every one sells thicc fat heavy springs and not light flat wire springs.
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if you have a round in the gun, is it possible for the shit to go off without you pulling the trigger?

like for example if you cock it back and release it or switch it back and forth from fire to safe to fire or just some other random shit is there a chance it fires?

I always forget the steps to clear it (since I don't fuck with my gun often at all) and I always fear the shit going off without me pulling the trigger when I try getting the round out.
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>>54140427
What? That sounds more like retardation than anything. If it's a semi-auto, you take the magazine out FIRST, then cycle the action, whether pistol or rifle, and the round in the chamber should in theory be extracted. Cycle again, hold back and inspect the chamber visually, or if you're real OCD, with your finger. That's it. Gun's clear.
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>>54140427
It certainly is when there is a human involved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DcsW2JfaQ8

But mechanically, no, not really. Flicking the safety won't cause a gun to fire but pulling the trigger while doing so will. There are also mechanical faults, such as the recent recall of FN 509s which could still be fired with a pull of the trigger even when the safety is on. I'd file that under negligence as well as mechanical failure since it takes two to tango.

tl;dw Guns cannot fire themselves under any circumstance, but people are very creative at finding ways to fire them unintentionally.

>>54140421
I think flat springs are really not possible to home game. Wolff springs, the biggest aftermarket manufacturer in the world, doesn't even make them
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I asked this in the last thread as it was apparently dying.

What's an all steel, 9mm handgun I can buy that's not a 1911 and does not have a rail or optics cut? I don't want to hook up a bunch of doodads and crap, I just want a solid shooting handgun. I'm okay with used or surplus.
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>>54140554

but in most of those cases (if not all) still requires the trigger to be pulled in order for the discharge to happen?
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>>54140573
literally the second reply in this thread
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>>54140599
I've got one and love it. Looking for something different to add to the collection.
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I have a beretta tomcat (.32) and a ruger 10/22 (.22lr) with a 25 round mag.

Which should I pick up in case of a home invasion?
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>>54140637
then collect something with a fucking rail
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>>54140573
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>>54140640
10/22. Angry fucking bees, but if you got a 25 rounder that's a fuckton of angry bees their way
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.45 aarp is shit but I want to buy one...
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>>54140575
In most cases yeah. There are drop safety faults which can sometimes allow a gun to fire without a human pulling the trigger, but a human still precipitated the gun falling onto a hard surface while loaded.

It's virtually impossible for a gun to fire without a human's direct action involved.
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>>54140640
How do people get the meme joke guns meant to pad out a gun closet first, before buying any real guns? It makes no fucking sense
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Everything at the store felt so nice. I didn't realize how shit this was.
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>>54140360
Should I just buy a new gun or get a pre-milled slide?
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>>54140821
>I didn't realize how shit this was.

Don’t talk about your cat like that, it looks like a good and fuzzy cat.
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>>54140816
10/22 is as far as a meme gun you can get. I dare you to come up with a better gun to hunt small game.

As for the tomcat, I'm a cripple and need the popup barrel so I don't have to work the slide and the .32 has low recoil so I can keep on target even on a bad hand day
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>>54140360
need .22LR experts here
>>54140829
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>>54140925
A shotgun.
.22s are worthless, jam-o-matic semiautos with a retarded shitty rotary mag and a shitty mag release, is pants on head retarded.
Anyone who thinks differently is an underage faggot.
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Need help deciding on a new carry fun. Got in narrowed to 3 options
CZ-P01 for dat der 9mm capacity. I have never actually held one before though, so I don't know how well it will conceal on me.
A compact 1911 in .45 for dat der gods caliber. I have tried these and like the feel.
A baby rock in 45 for a little of both. I worry this option will be too small in size.
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>>54141107
>CZoy potmetal garbage
>any 1911 under $2,000 will be unreliable garbage
>do you mean glock?, if so which model
Your choices are retarded.
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>>54141300
>being a noguns
did you end up in the wrong general? people here actually have brains.
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>>54141300
You need to stop using maymay arrows as a period. Also you talk like a fag and your shits all retarded.
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>>54141430
>>54141535
>summerfags don't know
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Should I buy a makarov. I know I shouldn’t but I am about to consoooom. My tokarev is one of my favorites.
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>>54141693
>12 handguns
>only 3 aren't shit
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Is it worth saving a few hundred buying a baby glock 26 over a more expensive HK subcompact model?

I like hammers and manual safeties but tempted to go block
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My favorite handgun to shoot is the Mark 23 suppressed, and I'm not going to apologize.
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>>54141740
>I like hammers and manual safeties but tempted to go block
Then you won't like a Glock, anon. What are you thinking? If you like hammers and thumb safeties, don't let the meta sway you. Embrace the old ways.
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>>54141740
You could get the 26, holster, 200 rounds of ammo and 5 extra mags and still have walking around money over the HK.
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>>54140925
I was going to say revolver but the tomcat seems to have that down. I think a lightweight AR would be easy enough, you can position the rifle to get good leverage on the charging handle if your weak, bigger charging handles available, and also very readily available.

I read a YouTube comment of some guy who lost/injured a hand in a industrial accident, he uses the Taurus Circuit Judge, their carbine version of the Judge, as a homedefense weapon since it’s a double action revolver so there’s no other step other than pull the trigger or load the gun. .410 out of it is very soft, even HD loads.
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>>54140360
nice p80, i dont see nearly enough of them on /k/. everyone here should have at least 10 of these buried at various places around their property imo
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thoughts on the springfield garrison? i want a 9mm 1911 that is a little nicer than an RIA
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Why couldn't anybody beat SIG in the 70s-90s?
>The Walther P88, superior GERMAN ENGINEERING and CRAFTSMANSHIP
>SIG makes a better gun of the similar quality at a lower price
>The HK USP, superior GERMAN ENGINEERING and CRAFTSMANSHIP
>SIG makes a better gun of the same quality at a lower price
>The CZ-75, REVOLUTIONARY FRAME DESIGN and CZECH CRAFTSMANSHIP
>SIG makes a better gun of better quality at a lower price
>The GLOCK, it's PERFECTION
>SIG makes a better gun of better quality at a comparable price
>The S&W, it's AMERICAN
>SIG makes a better gun of hilariously better quality at a fraction of the price
If you think about it, there was no reason not to just buy a SIG back then. They perfected the Browning-Petter locked breech, developed the first and only truly modern handgun cartridge (.357 SIG), came out with the best double-action trigger system ever devised and made DAO more viable, and moved some production to the US without sacrificing even a bit of quality. The shit SIG accomplished by itself surpasses any other gun manufacturer IMO.
The only one that comes close is Beretta, and that's only because they managed to make a completely unique handgun that approached the quality and reliability of SIG.
Honestly, anyone that wasn't packing SIG or Beretta back then was a fucking idiot.
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>>54140554
>Guns* cannot fire themselves under any circumstance
*in proper working order
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>>54141988
Because they hit that sweet spot of residual Swiss quality + W. German cheapness.
Right now "SIG" is in the spot of residual Germano-Turkish cheapness + Jewish-American graft.
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>>54142123
there is literally nothing wrong with sig
your post is unironically the millenial equivalent of TWO WORLD WARS
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>>54142156
Go away Hymie.
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>>54142123
you forgot the addition of the curry shits swirled into the mix.
God why can't nu-Sig just be non-retarded
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>>54142181
>>54142123
what's the nu-sig cutoff in your opinion?
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I want a p220 in 10mm
It's a lot of money to me
Are they remotely worth jt
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>>54142202
Sig was basically dead in the water when Cohen took over. They revamped around the late 2000s. By then most of what you saw Sig wise was 1911s at least that I can remember.Then it slid down a heaping pile of shit in the mid 2010s because they seemed to put more effort towards marketing they're not so perfect designs. Now all the P series lovers are left with only having guccified and overpriced versions of guns while the Poly guns take the spotlight
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>>54142323
So basically anything with SIGARMS on the side is gtg? Sorry for the noob questions, I'm new to detailed sig history.
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>>54142390
Basically, yeah. I only know the rough and dirty history of it; if there's any quality disparities to be had between certain models over time, that would probably be more of a Burt question. Old school Sig and Smith&Wesson have a special place in my heart
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>>54142390
Sig took a dip in quality ~ 10 years ago, and a major drop in quality after they won the military handgun trials.
My theory is they underbid everyone massively(that part is pretty much been confirmed) to the point they are selling them to the military at cost/at a loss.
So to make up this revenue, they either keep the quality of civillian market firearms the same, and up the price, or keep the price the same, and drop the quality.
Well the price didn't change on them after the contract.
Then you see multiple firearms going off randomly, entire lots of strikers shattering because they are too hard, not actually applying a finish to the gun, etc etc.
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>>54140821
Literally the worst trigger ever made
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>>54140360
my shoulder holster system for my HK45 finally showed up, i really like it, but i will admit when fedex delivered it they fucked up the kit i ordered along side it to help break it in and keep it polished, the polish was just fine, but the "impregnation" liquid was almost completely gone, so my holsters inside is slowly but surely getting soft enough to easily unholster my pistol and mags
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>>54142426
>Smith&Wesson
Based Smith appreciator. Even though they're not amazing guns on their own, I see them as the last gasp of the American-designed handgun and I can actually appreciate a desire to cling to tradition in a time where the world seems to have forgotten about it (adjustable rear sights, full steel frames, barrel bushings, Browning-style locking system and 1911-ish slide geometry).
They're like classic cars I guess. Hunks of shit in a modern context, but you can't help appreciate their beauty and they take you back to a simpler time.
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>>54141300
>doesnt into material science
>hasnt shot a 1911
>doesnt know what a baby rock is
literally retarded
>>54141107
ria makes good shit but id say cz-p01 for all the new features. a glock 48 would jump around less than all these.

go to a rental range
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>>54142604
At least the hunks of shit don't get recalled
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>>54141107
A P01 would be best. If you're willing to get something as small as that 1911 why not a microcompact wonder 9?
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>>54142643
>At least the hunks of shit don't get recalled
I want to go back so fucking bad
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>>54142674
companies could keep up with production if they went steel
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>>54142323
The 320 has been adopted by multiple militaries, law enforcement, is the quickly becoming the best selling to private citizens and wins in competitive circuts.
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>>54142738
*couldn't
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>>54140360

Recommendations for a good pistol light? I've got a full size Beretta 92 but I'd prefer something that isn't too large.
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>>54142271
>10mm
>It's a lot of money to me

No, 10mm is a novelty unless you really need an Anti Grizzly bear pistol. You've probably got more practical guns you could get better use out of.
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>>54142755
Streamlight TLR-1
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>>54142796

What about the smaller streamlights like the TLR-7 and the like?
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Think I'm gonna get this because at just over 200 bucks it seems like a good deal. Only issue I cannot for the life of me figure out what holster to get for it, I'm having such trouble looking for IWB holsters that I'm considering a shoulder carry. Please talk me out of it
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>>54142822
I think small lights look weird on fullsize pistols.
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>>54142836

I'd save up and get a Sig P365. If you want something cheap and small I'd consider a Kel-Tec P3AT or a Ruger LCP.
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Nogun no more!

Just spent 750 biden bucks on a Shield Plus Bug pack at a local shop. Everything beside the gun are 4x 13 rounds mag, 1x 10 round mag, a man bag, first aid, plus a box of fiddy 9mm FMJ.

Feel somewhat ripped, but supporting local business I guess.
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>>54142937
the mags are expensive af if it's any consolation
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>>54142966
Yeah, I thought it was a shop special, but turned out it's a S&W special that goes for like 550$ online. Still, 750$ after taxes and everything is decent, maybe idk first time buying firearm.
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>>54143015
Most advice on here is to finger fuck at the LGS then buy online.

That being said, I bought all my guns from stores here. Was a bit more expensive but also more convenient. Also that kit at my LGS was like $100 more than the pistol, and the mags are like $44 iirc, so it was definitely an easy choice. It's a nice gun for its class but micro9s do have their drawbacks.
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Imagine buying an RMR in two thousand twenty two.

LOL
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>>54143142
I wouldn't buy an other pistol optic except an Aimpoint ACRO.
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>>54142927
Do you say that because the capacity is low in the Beretta or some other reason? I wanted the thinner, single stack frame because my hands are small and I may pass this onto my mother who has even smaller hands than I do
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>>54142836
Trigger is terrible
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>>54143160

I thought it was a Pico, not an APX when I advised against it.

I've seen Picos going for real cheap because they aren't very good guns and Beretta discontinued them. I don't know enough about the APX subcompact to tell you if its a good gun or not.
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>>54143142
>ass See
Ayup.
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>>54140573
Off the top of my head
Browning Hi Power
CZ 75 B
Beretta 92
Sig p226
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>>54141693
Don't let anon bully you bro I thought they were cool, the R51 and M9A1 especially

>>54141988
>P88, CZ75
>SIG makes a better gun of the similar quality at a lower price
Because the Sig was made of cheap stamped welded sheet steel, not milled from billet, and lacked revolutionary fully bilaterally ambidextrous controls like the P88.

>>54142390
At this point in time they pretty much all are, even the models with provable flaws that have been corrected. The nebulous ~2005-2012 era still wasn't "bad" per se, but some unquantifiable higher likelihood of manufacturing or finishing flaw. This is separate from the very quantifiable and documented P320/MPX/P365 engineering that had to be corrected after first production.

Most of my Sigs are from that early US era and they are all great, feel great, work great, look great, no discernible manufacturing quality difference between them and my 2006 all German P226.

>>54143157
Imagine buying a CRACKRO in two thousand twenty two.

LOL
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>>54143204
I read about that. I don't really think I'll mind a 6lb pull
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What Glock 19 Gen 3 slide/barrel should I get? OK with building the slide, slight preference for non-threaded barrel, and would like an optics cut.
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>>54143327
that's some fuckin gay ass lookin shit
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>>54143351
It's also about $1.5k

https://trinitynevada.com/products/slides-only/ground-breaker-complete-slide/
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>>54143327
Factory
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>>54143351
Strip out the gay cosmetic design and I can kind of see where they're going with this
>9mm only
lmao fags
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>>54140673
I saw these 3-4 years ago for less than $500 at my LGS. At that same LGS, it's going for more than a Glock. What gives?
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>>54143383
I don't have a complete Gen 3 Glock 19, just one of the innumerable 80% frame options.
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Anybody have experience with the Inox 92 and the NP3 finish on the LTT parts kit? I wanted to put all stainless controls on my incoming new 92 inox but it's a pain in the ass to source all the bits and it's not much more expensive to get the full NP3 kit from LTT. According to LTT the finish is similar but shinier. I was curious is any anons had experience with the np3\inox combo
tl;dr how well does LTT NP3 match Beretta Inox
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Redpill me on the .32 acp.
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>>54143422
The interesting part to me is that it's an integral comp with a sight tracker front sight that removes from the front of the slide. But yeah, the lightening is a bit much, as is the price. But the concept is cool.
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Do they make an M&P in the lords caliber, .45?
Specifically a compact?
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>>54143648

Obsolete, under powered and expensive. I have a Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless in .32 and I like the gun but its not a relevant round of ammunition.
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>>54140640
10/22 lol. If that's all you have I'd strongly consider buying a Maverick 88, Stevens 320, Taurus G3c, or poorfag PSA AR15
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Are Walther pistols worth the price? How about the PDP/PDP F? I have average-ish sized hands with short fingers, so a full-sized handgun wouldn't be a good fit for me. Or should I just get a G19?
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I've got a CZ Shadow 2 coming in for IPSC Production Optic, any suggestions for what to do to slick it up out of the box?
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>>54143767
yes
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>>54140360
getting a fullsize or maybe a compact as my only legit pistol besides shit like makarovs. Should I just get a glock? or is there any reason to get something else if you're just going to be using it as an actual carry piece and not fondling/safe queening it?
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>>54143648
>>54143648
trash caliber memed by spergs on /k/. absolutely mogged by anything .380 and up
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>>54141107
I'd strongly recommend against a compact 1911. I used to have a Colt Officer's Model and it was unpleasant to shoot despite being all steel, and could never make it through a full magazine without a failure to feed.

The p01 would be an awesome choice. My dad's carry gun is a pcr which is very similar (like p01 without rail) and it's an awesome shooter. That will probably be my next purchase. It's pretty thick in the grip. My dad is 5'11" and 180 and it conceals well owb with a button down shirt over a t-shirt.
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>>54144079
>>54144079
M&P 2.0. its like a glock but better in every way while being cheaper
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>>54144051
for IPSC Production Optics, there's not much you can do besides getting new grips and maybe springs, since all parts must be OEM.
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>>54142836
Check out the Taurus GX4. Rimrock Supply Co has them for $200 with code RSCNEWSLETTER. Plus you can get a $25 rebate from Taurus.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gundeals/comments/vhhqar/pistol_taurus_gx4_9mm_200_shipped_code_in/

More capacity and some of the reviews on the APX A1 carry are mixed.
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>>54144093
I second this. M&P trigger is better and the grip texture is perfect, mama mia. Canik TP9sf elite is also a great choice. Glocks are good but there is so much competition in the market that there are cheaper guns out there that are better out of the box.

t. Glock 17 owner
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I got my Wilson Combat Experior. I can't wait to get it to the range - should be a nice shooter.
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>>54144148
>>54144093
how hard is it to get parts or aftermarket shit? I don't want to go crazy but I'm mostly talking about mags, and maybe an optic down the line at some point.

I live on the west coast so I'm trying to future proof it a little by not needing to go online to find things that work if that makes sense
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>>54144182
>>54144182
Easy. Its probably the second most popular LE platform out there behind the glock. They have the CORE model for mounting optics, which is like the MOS but better(doesnt tend to chuck optics). Of course you can also get a normal M&P and drop in a CORE slide later if the CORE is out of budget or unavailable. They have pretty much anything aftermarket you might need, the markets similarly broad to the glock outside of very niche stuff, just not as deep in terms of options for a given item.
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>>54144229
thanks for the help anon
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>>54144148
If you like the M&P trigger, the PSA Dagger hinged trigger is actually not bad at all. I've got one (the plastic bits at any rate) on a PF45 build and it's really nice with the fat grip.
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>>54144260
Not that anon, but I ordered one last week and it's STILL processing. I'm cancelling my order tomorrow and getting something local
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>>54144280
Ordered what?
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How terrible are the G2C/G3C? Might cop for a smaller-than-G19 carry pistol pending SC decision.
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>>54142522
Don't say that, the P-64 exists.
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>>54144307
LGS here. I've sent back more Taurus for repairs than any other brand, and my boss makes me sell Hi-Points, so... buyer beware.
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>>54144331
cool

I won't actually be *buying* it, per-se....

the extruder calls to me
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>>54144298
PSA Dagger
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>>54144346
Oh right. I got the trigger off a mate who wasn't feeling the Dagger trigger, swapped him for the Vickers that was on the PF45 and we both ended up happier.
They're not bad, at least not the one I shot.
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>>54144093
Except the worse grip angle and dogshit trigger, and the constant part failures.
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>>54144068
You lied to me
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>>54143279
I found a Hungarian Hipower clone today for $500 and I might be in love. Should I buy it?
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>>54144593
Those FEGs are usually nice. If you've handled it and if it's in good nick with a couple of mags I'd have it.
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>>54144148
The 17s biggest flaw is the fucking trigger. I don't know how they thought out of the box this thing needed a 6-7lb trigger. For $600 it's really not as atrocious as some make it out to be. I have an apex trigger on the way, hopefully it sorts this out a bit.
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How does the PDP feel for CC?
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>>54140405
>someone finally has a Jericho that is better than mine

*tips fedora*
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>>54143591
What's going on is that LGS prices are not guaranteed to be representative of the actual firearms market. I just bought an M9 A2 on the information superhighway for $500.
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>>54141107
CZ P-10 C
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Bought a 30-round CZ 75 mag for literally no reason at all.
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>>54144543
https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=.45%20shield&Sort=13&PageSize=24
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>>54144871

I did the same when I got my Beretta 92. I figure I need magazines, I've already got 4, 18 rounders why not get something different.
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>>54144895
I just got some because that's all they fucking have and standard capacity is getting banned here. I wish I could get my hands on another like 10 mecgars
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>>54144931
I picked up 4 of the Mec-Gar 20 rounders and 3 factory 30 rounders to keep my Cx4 fed.
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>>54144931
Take the .45 pill.
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>>54144948
yeah I got 2 20 and 2 30 rounders to go with my like 6 18 rounders. I still wish I had more though just in case.

>>54144959
I'll have to if I want any new handguns
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>>54144974
gonna have to get me a Llama Omni in 45 rather than 9mm now
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Help me out /k/ommandos. I want a gun that fits these criteria:

>9mm
>4" barrel
>15rd flush fit/near flush fit magazine
>made by reputable companies from the US or Europe (no turkshit)
>easy-to-obtain parts & magazines
>small enough to carry but big enough to fight with
>price between $500-700
>not a Glock
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>>54145031
see >>54144856
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>>54144732
It's pretty much a safety device if you're mass-issuing the things to mouthbreathing zogbots.
On the plus side Glock triggers are extremely easy to work on. If you've got a basic workshop a couple of hours will get you a good trigger with no additional parts, and if you fuck up all the parts you just modified are dirt cheap.
Top tip, use old drill bits or something instead of the pins while you're working, you'll be more inclined to check your work often enough to not fuck up.
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>>54145031

P320 Compact
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>>54145031
>I want a Glock 19
>but not a Glock
Many such cases.
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>>54145091
Had my eye on one for years, but could never find one nearby.
>>54145117
Too big.
>>54145119
I do like the Glock 19 because of the fact that parts for them are cheap and everyfuckin'where, but at the same time, they sound like they need a lot of work to be made better.
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>>54145185
>they sound like they need a lot of work to be made better.
they absolutely do not. slap a light on it and yolo. maybe swap out sights, or get an MOS model and put an optic on it.
you ain't got to change shit. this isn't a S&W M&P where the trigger is ass out of the box
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>>54144510
>worse grip angle
false, grip angle is better, glock grip angle is retarded.
>dogshit trigger
its better than glocks in terms of weight/travel/reset distance. The reset is less tactile though. This is because its more of a single action striker design than the DA esq striker of the glock. Hinged vs dingus is a matter of opinion, although the M&P trigger is easily swapped out and in some models available from the factory with a glock like dingus trigger.
>constant part failures.
Youre just making things up at this point. Sounds like cope over glocks numerous issues over the years, some like the FTE when looked at wrong and WML syndrome still plague the design to this day.
>>54144543
>they're literally right there
wdhmbt
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>>54145031
>>54145031
M&P 2.0 compact CORE. it is easily the best choice.
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>>54145185
>Had my eye on one for years, but could never find one nearby.

are you familiar with this thing called the internet?
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>>54145185
>they need a lot of work to be made better
Not really. If anything improvements are easier than damn near anything but a 1911 or a Charter Arms revolver, and less risky than anything else.
If you mean they're worse out of the box and NEED improvement, lol no. They have a consistent standard striker trigger, if you can't work with it in terms of defensive shooting the problem is with you and bells and whistles won't help you out of that.
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>>54145366
No, what's that?
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>>54145540
dunno, heard some boomer talking about it on Facebook
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>>54142785
Woods gun is why I want 10mm, but none of the 10mm guns out now appeal to me except this really

If g20 was in gen 5 I'd snap one up
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>>54144307
They are fine for the price. Price is the only reason to buy one over an APX or something of nominal price and quality like a P365 or g19.

>>54144331
You didn't exactly answer the question though, what Taruses are you sending back? And why would you handle that service anyway? It's between the customer and the manufacturer, the customer has to register it

>>54145031
Boy a LOT of pistols fit that criteria. Like 70% of things currently on the market. Walther PDP, HK VP9 and Beretta APX in addition to everything anons said. You didn't specify striker so there are a gorilion hammer fired compacts too like the CZ P01, HK P2000 and Sig P229.
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can someone shill me a good shoulder holster system manufacturer?
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Whats a good full size 22 that can look like a classic, doesnt have half of its metal replaced with plastic and is current production besides the Mk 4?
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>>54147128
Browning Buckmark
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>>54147093
Vega
Craft Holsters
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>>54147321
thanks!
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god i fucking hate the government
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>>54140393
Too many handguns, not one of them is usable.

-1/10
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Still haven't decided if I should blow the money on one of these. Is there any practical reason for one? I remember hearing some people using them as trail guns since the .410 is good for snakes while the .45lc is better for bigger things. Is .45 acp basically useless out of these with how much un-rifled cylinder it will be traveling through before hitting the barrel? Even as a shtf multi-caliber gun, 45acp is nice, but .410 and .45lc aren't exactly common calibers.
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>>54140427
>i forget the steps to clear it
buddy, its two steps, three steps if you count "double check that you did it right"
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>>54140715
45 aarp is superior to 9mm
you know the 9mm guys are lying about "all you need is adequate penetration" because regular ball ammo does that but they all carry around +P+ hollowpoints
because they know deep down the diameter of the projectile in the intended target matters
besides, go shoot some animals with both and youll see the "coroners cant even tell!" line is horseshit
the reason coroners cant tell is because theyre completely incompetent state employees barely doing their job for a paycheck

>>54142785
>>54142271
dont listen to this guy, 10mm is extremely based
late 40 s&w loads to 357 magnum power loads
whats not to love? wah wah my gun holds 15 instead of 17? its 15 fuckin rounds nigger its plenty

9mm cope is pure poorfaggotry, if you believed the shit you spew youd all be carrying 5.7's and now 30 super carries, but you dont, youre just trying to justify how your poverty choice is just as good (which is exactly what the governments bs white papers were for, training and buying 10mm and then 40 are more expensive than 9mm)
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>>54141095
I like how everyone forgets that 10/22s are actual service weapons that have been used more than whatever gay thing they own
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>>54140427
if you can't remember how to clear a firearm I'm not sure you should be handling them
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>>54147726
if you can't remember punctuation I'm not sure you should be typing
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>>54147745
i choose to type like this
does it upset you ?
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>>54147478
>its 15 fuckin rounds nigger its plenty
This should be printed out and taped to every single gun counter in this fucking country. If I had a buck for every time I've heard some window-licker say
>ehhh, I don't know about ONLY (10, 12, 15) rounds...
I'd be a millionaire. If you really want to get technical, most people won't need more than 6 if they even need to draw their gun at all.
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>>54147820
What if you shoot competitions though
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If you own a drum magazine you should unironically give up your guns and neck yourself.
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>>54147833
Then you're in a very tiny minority of handgun owners and can buy a gun strictly for competition that holds 50 rounds or whatever you IPSC autists consider the meta now.
(not saying competition shooting doesn't take skill, it just isn't my bag)
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>>54147833
then 17 rounds is tiny anyway, go get your weird 37 round 9mm major magazine or whatever it is you use
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>See someone talking shit about (Insert X reputable carry/duty gun) claiming they break all the time
>Person in question happens to own the turkshit clone of the gun they're trashing
Every fucking time
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>>54147820
its terminal COD brain, I'm glad FPS are so popular bc i do think it was big for gun rights but Jesus fuckin christ these mouth breathers dont know what the real world is
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>>54140816
>Calling a 10/22 a memegun
Fucking zoomers I swear how do you forget to not breathem
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>The court holds that New York's "proper-cause" requirement to obtain a concealed-carry license violates the Constitution by preventing law-abiding citizens with ordinary self-defense needs from exercising their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms in public for self-defense.
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>>54140816
There's no such thing as a meme gun. The great thing about guns/gun culture is that none of the nebulous hypothetical bullshit everyone talks about is is truly well-documented, quantifiable or provable. You can believe pretty much anything you want, and it will be "true".
>you only need 6 shots in a self defense situation
>you need a minimum of 12 shots in a self defense situation
>revolvers are more reliable than autos
>autos are more reliable than revolvers
>sight radius matters
>sight radius doesn't matter
>X is a meme gun
>X isn't a meme gun
>the AR is shit
>the AK is shit
All completely true statements. If you really look into it even ballistics, an area of study that should be the most "scientific" of all the facets of firearms in general, is mostly bullshit results averaged out to make some kind of sense.
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>>54148644
>There's no such thing as a meme gun
There absolutely is if you don't have unlimited budget, which most people do not. It's particularly true in handguns, precisely because there isn't much envelope to work with given constraints on size and angular momentum. Even pushing the limits of feasible handgun recoil with something like .44 Magnum or 50AE barely gets you above 5.56 rifle in energy and is still like half of good 'ol 308, and the velocity is <1/2. At least with current tech the handgun market is effectively "done" as a matter of the physics of human bodies, gun materials and propulsion. Between 22/38/380 for ultra portable, 9mm for all normal usage (or 45 if you prefer) and a few of the more common big bullets for rare cases the entire range is covered with calibers that are cheap and widely available along with a whole range of guns that use them.

If someone purely wants to collect or do stuff for fun whatever, that's entirely fine as a matter of taste. There's plenty of potential in loads too, though limited by legal restrictions. But of course manufacturers constantly want to sell people new stuff so a "done" market threatens profit margin too, and there have been lots of guns that serve only the purpose of extracting money from people's wallets while delivering nothing of value in return and subtracting money they should have spent on other much more important accessories first. It's definitely reasonable to denigrate those as "meme guns".
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Never owned or fired a real firearm, looking to go take some classes to learn to properly use one etc etc. What is a solid starter to look at picking up and learn with in your opinion?
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>>54148425
It's retarded that we need a Supreme Court decision for this desu. "Yes, you have rights."
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>>54149780
Thompson Contender
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What 9mm handgun has the best recoil management and can be concealed fairly easily?
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>>54149780
As much as I love hammer-fired alloy frame DA/SA guns, a good quality, full size, striker-fired polymer frame 9mm is going to be your best bet. Think a Glock 17 or a Walther PPQ.
What's your budget?
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God bless Thomas, Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett.

Holy shit.
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>>54144734
Big. Slide is tall and chunky, as are the serrations. Big slide lock/release too. It's still a great gun, but definitely sub-optimal if you want comfort and convenience in your CCW.
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>>54150284
500-600 (excluding ammo)

Was looking at glocks as well
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>>54150421
If you're comfortable with a Glock, go for it. However, if you feel another gun is more comfortable, or if you find that you shoot that gun better, don't let some retard talk you into a Glock.
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>>54150268
>9mm
>recoil
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>>54150443
how do you go about testing different ones out? Do I need to know someone that owns them or are there places I can do that?

I'm literal beginner to everything about the process
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>>54150463
Step 1 (hardest): Get a friend
Step 2: Both of you go to the gun range
Step 3: Register to the gun range, usually involves signing a waiver
Step 4: Between the two of you rent out a few 9mm guns and buy a few boxes of ammo, spend an hour shooting each one to see which one feels better

you need a friend because no self respecting gun range will let a newbie walk in and rent a gun by himself just to cut back on suicides.
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>>54150500
I do have friends that go to the range. Good idea anon thanks
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>>54150268
Just carry a full size gun and recoil will be negligible
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>>54150500
>you need a friend because no self respecting gun range will let a newbie walk in and rent a gun by himself just to cut back on suicides.

One of my favorite ranges closed because of this, the old man running it got tired of mopping up brains.
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So can Marylanders carry now or what?
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>>54142796
>bro how high you want your optic to be ?
>HIGHER
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>>54150615
>asking the government for permission
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>>54150694
Excuse me, I should have said "are they allowed to carry now".
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>>54150615
Hopefully soon
And maybe your boomers and refugees can go back too
>T. Florida Man
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>>54150694
Its better than nothing and hopefully we can move forward
Let it be a sign that at least one branch of government isnt 100% malicious
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>>54150722
I don't think it's immediate and I expect some states to try to drag their ass on this. It's not constitutional carry so you'll still need to get a license in Maryland, this should just guarantee that you'll be able to since 'may issue' or showing a 'need' to carry is being struck down (someone correct me if I've interpreted the Supreme Court's ruling).
>>54150748
Oh it's definitly great
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>>54142522
yeah its pretty bad !
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>spend hours trying to find unobtanium EAA mags
>finally find one on fuddbroker
>buy now
>fast forward two days
>"Your payment has been refunded"
>wtf no pls
>"We made a mistake, this item is oos"
>"As an extra fuck you, all of our suppliers are oos too"
life is pain and suffering
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>>54151457
You think that’s bad? I had to pay $1,000 for a spare mag and it wasn’t even OEM.
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>>54147413
>Is there any practical reason for one?
Not really. Everything it does is a compormise. 45 colt is the highest power round, but without rifling it's not the most accurate. .410 can be good for small game hunting, but if you're going hunting, then a 12, 20 or even a 28 gauge shotgun would be a better choice. It only chambers 45 ACP to spite the Taurus Judge.
>SHTF
You're better off with a 38/357. You might even be able to find a 9mm cylinder for one.
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>>54151496
For that money, that mag better suck me, fuck me, & make me dinner afterwards, and Daddy wants a thick-cut steak
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>>54151622
Oh shit, the barrel's not rifled at all? Yeah, if that's the case, I think I will hold off and buy a nice, normal, full size revolver that isn't just a toy for now. I already have an SP101, but I can justify buying a full 6-shot (or 8-shot) S&W revolver at least. Or if I want something more fun, I can splurge a bit more and hunt down a Dan Wesson with those changeable barrels.
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>>54147128
S&W Model 41

>>54150268
There are different aspects to recoil. There's rearward force or there's muzzle flip. Things such as the Sig P226 and Beretta PX4 have low rearward recoil for caliber but may have a little more muzzle flip than nominal guns like a g19. Things like a Hudson H9 or Arsenal Strike One have less muzzle flip but more rearward recoil force. But you can't necessarily judge these things based on the configuration of the gun, it can be subjective to the point of individuality. A Beretta 92 for example has low recoil and low muzzle flip, despite the "high" bore axis and hammer mechanism, and an HK VP9 has higher recoil and more muzzle flip despite similar configuration to a glok.

Then there's human subjective perception and subjective experience/training/knowledge on top, it's hard to quantify these things.
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>>54150803
The ruling is pretty much what you've said. States can still require permits but the requirements have to be objective measures like being a certain age or going through training. You can't be denied because the person doing your application felt like it or because you "don't have a valid reason to need it."
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I love this gun.
It also doesn't extract properly and shoots shells directly backwards into my face.
I have no idea how to fix it.
I'm planning on buying a completely different slide so no point in fucking with the extractor right now.
Anyone got any recommendations for a glog19 slide with speed holes cut into it but also cheap as hell?
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Had a range day
>HK P30 had numerous FTFs and FTEs, primarily on the magazine with ammo marked as Blazer
>more break in required considering sub 100 rounds?
>weaksauce ammo?
>Beretta 92, no surprise, is still sweet, smooth
>Ruger Mark IV seems to shoot to the left, but it came with adjustable sights anyway
>P10c is indeed what Glock should be out of the box
On a tangentially related to handguns note
>thinking a Cx4 would be a damn good pair with a Beretta 92, first PCC, having handled one
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>>54152191
My P30 doesn't care about weak ammo but it wouldn't be the first time HK doesn't like it. My USPC hated 115gr soft range ammo. You'll know for sure when you try different ammo next time!
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>>54152191
Cx4 is never a good option, its literally just a toy, a facsimile of what europeans think a gun is.

Its fun but if you dont actually have a real PCC then get one first THEN consider a Cx4 as a joke.
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>>54151730
I had to buy a rare barrel to get it lol, at least it feeds nice AND I also wanted that barrel, which happened to be $1,000 lol.
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>>54152064
Handguns for this aesthetic?
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>>54152238
I can also add the ejection with aluminum 115 Blazer was kinda weak and towards my face, the first time I shot it outside, this being the second time I shot it, but in an indoor range.
I believe it actually short-stroked at least once today, backing up the "weak" theory.
Perhaps a notepad wouldn't be a bad thing to put in a range bag, now that I think about it; keep track better in case something like that happens, aside from the solution of filming yourself.
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10MM new hotness
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>>54152312


>>54152321
It could still get better with time but ya take notes. I keep blue tape and a marker in my range bag for that
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>>54152312
Px4 storm. I don’t understand people who think it’s ugly. It looks like a mad scientists piece in retro future 1950s

As a bonus it’s actually a good gun not like the s3 thunderstruck which is also a cool cyberpunk design
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nylon or leather shoulder holster? the nylon one is $100 cheaper
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Between the original Browning-designed "swinging link" tilting barrel design used in the Colt 1903 and Colt 1911, and the various "cam" improvements like the Hi-Power, CZ-75 and SIG P220, which is more reliable? What about long-term durability? Is there a difference at all? I understand the benefits of the latter when it comes to manufacturing, but I'm just thinking about raw reliability and longevity.
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>>54152415
leather if you move around a lot and don't want chaffing issues. Also you can maintain and repair leather much easier than nylon
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>>54152415
Never nylon.
If you can get a harness and attach a kydex holster to that, do that.
I would only trust leather for a revolver or a gun with a grip safety like a 1911.
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>>54152517
>>54152515
ok, thanks so much you guys
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>>54152378
Damn, nice. Got anymore pics like that? I have an autistic fixation with 50s-70s industrial design.
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>>54152510
Later designs than the 1911 are able to handle tolerance stacking better.
There's a reason why cheap, not hand-fitted 1911's tend to be less reliable than not only "modern" handguns but just pricier, better fitted 1911's.
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>>54152177
gen3 glocks always eject really erratically, you could try a new extractor but i wouldn't hold my breath
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>>54152510
Camming lockup is unambiguously more reliable and more durable than swinging link lockup. That's doesn't mean that swinging link 1911s are going to instantly explode on you, but it's a niche point of failure that camming guns don't have.
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>>54152600
Interesting. Given a hand-fitted 1911 of top quality and, say, a SIG P226, which one would wear out first, and which part would wear the fastest? In the case of the 1911, the links or the link pins? For the SIG I guess it would be either the barrel or the frame cam? I know this stuff isn't quantifiable and it's not likely any one person would shoot either enough to wear it out completely, but I like thinking about it.
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>>54152671
Modern 9mm and .45 ACP barrels, be they Glock or Sig or HK or whatever, can go 60-75k (or more) rounds easy. .40 S&W or .357 Sig or other higher pressure rounds can still go about 40k rounds. Burning out barrels on pistols is not the same concern as it is on super high pressure things like 6.5 CM rifles, which start to go at 1500 rounds.

For any pistol, the first parts to go are the springs. Recoil spring, trigger return spring, extractor, striker spring, mainspring, etc. After springs, the next thing to go, generally speaking, are the pins. Replacing the springs, extractor, and pins on a pistol is pretty much all you need to do to keep a modern gun going.

Issues like barrels or chambers being burned out, or frames cracking, are niche concerns at best. If you shoot competitively, or are you're an armorer, or you run a range where you put tens of thousands and tens of thousands of rounds through your rental guns, then yeah, you're gonna have frames crack and barrels wear out. That's pretty much the only case where that shit happens.
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What handgun should I get for home defense? Am thinking Glock 34 but would like to hear some other suggestions, nothing too, too expensive.
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>>54152929
star trek phaser to avoid legal issues
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>>54152929
why the fuck do you want a 34 if you're not shooting competitively lol
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>>54152583
I was born 40 years too late to experience this boomercore aesthetic in my prime. All I can grasp at is the age of plastic.
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>>54152415
Leather because if you’re carrying in a shoulder holster it’s because you want to show off
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>>54151496
You're just retarded, you should buy a better gun.
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>>54152415
Kydex, future is now faggits
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>>54152964
Long barrel means bullet go faster, less muzzle flip, size is not a issue if it’s for homedefense and you’re sticking a big light on it anyway. And it looks cool as fuck.
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>>54152929
Beretta 92X RDO, or some Beretta 92 variant like that. The 92x RDO is usually below $700.
CZ P10F, or C if you want a snowball's chance in hell of carrying it concealed. As simple to operate as Glock. The P10s are at or below the low 500s range, and it's comfier in the hand, points better than a Glock.
Also curious why you were thinking the 34, as opposed to the 17 or some such. Sight radius?
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>>54150615
>So can Marylanders carry now or what?
Maryland law would have to be challenged separately. And SCOTUS didn't just strike everything down it imposed new standards, which will then have to be fought out in court. So basically this kicks of years of legal fighting.

As a /k/ommando I actually don't like this ruling much in terms of reasoning. The outcome might be positive but the reasoning is a fucking mess and is not going to hold up well when the composition of the court changes. I'd have much rather they had simply made clear that the 2A was for all intents and purposes "shall not be infringed" and then, just like the 1A, simply said that 2A laws always invite "strict scrutiny". That doesn't mean the government can't do anything but it has to be for a critical need with hard data and done in the most limited manner. That'd be a very firm legal foundation and bring in decades and decades of first amendment jurisprudence and so on. "Historical tradition" is fucking retarded from a legal perspective.

Doesn't mean I'm not excited to see mag cap limits challenged under this soon.
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>>54153147
>Also curious why you were thinking the 34
nvm, saw
>>54153135
I would say that depending on the light weight, aside from it being a 9mm, it's doubtful muzzle flip will be much of a thing; remember that lights act also as muzzle weights.
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>>54152964
Pretty much this >>54153135, x300 going on it anyway so why not have it flush with the muzzle?
>>54153147
I'll check out CZ, also look what I wrote above with regards to the G34. I'm not sure why its considered taboo to own one when it's not for competition shooting.
I am still considering a 17 or 19 though so I could CC if I get a license for it but I'd prefer a hammer fired to striker for that.
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Hey guys, is there any full sized duty pistol with a steel or aluminum frame, fixed or rotating barrel (no tilting barrels), that is also striker fired?
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Random thing from a while ago but I asked about this as a Maxim 9 owner and nobody had any pictures then. But SilencerCo had great support and got back to me with picture related, which is how the Maxim 9 striker assembly is supposed to look. So if anyone is ever a dumbass like me and drops the thing do to distraction or taking things apart when they're too tired here is how it goes back together, though I still think if SilencerCo ever does another revision of the M9 they should have a normal full breakout diagram in the picture. Now to see if they properly repaired the deep cut bore.
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>>54153111
ergonomically, i imagine shoulder holsters being easier to draw from concealed carry, idk though im a retard. what's better for concealed carry?
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Is pic related, a smith 638, my best option for for first cc gun? I want something that is .38/9mm or .45, has an external hammer so I can pin it, or at least tell the trigger is catching when holstering so I don't shoot my ass and is small/light enough I can carry in all weather.
I plan on getting a bigger semi auto with a red dot later for when I can wear something to carry something bigger, but for now I want something that I can carry always
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>>54153187
I'll be fair and say that I find long slides on pistols cool, appealing, but I feel like when it comes to Glock in particular, I'd personally want a 40 (10mm) if I was going down that route, due to its mediocre aesthetic.
semi-related, but I wish instead of doing the 19x (19 slide on 17 frame), Glock did one with a 17 slide, but a 19 grip, so you can get 15+1 flush fit.
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>>54152404
I had one. Aesthetically I really liked it, but I didn't like the size or how it handled. I'm a handlet
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>>54153259
just put a compensator on it.
Mine's longer than a 17.
>>54152177
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Should I buy a POF Mp5? I heard they don't get imported often and I'm getting a suppressor soon. I was never really in a rush to get one but a friend says it's not often POF gets imported and I would like a RDB when my suppressor comes in. I told myself I would only buy one gun a year and I already bought one.
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>>54153135
slower to draw, slower to bring on target, worse in confined spaces

but okay dude, keep worrying about 30 fps and 0.02 seconds of split times
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>>54153204
There aren't that many fixed barrel semiauto handguns are there? Maxim 9 comes to mind since I just posted that striker assembly picture right below your post, it's full size delayed blowback and fixed barrel, but it's a poly frame too so doesn't meet your criteria there. I think the laugo alien is steel alloy frame, but stupid fucking expensive since it was designed for pro competitive tournaments. Maybe they'll do a down market version someday or someone else bigger will copy it without all the by-hand work and cut the price by 75%. Rotating might be more productive.
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>>54153259
I personally think Glocks look alright, I just can't find any other handgun that I really like, aesthetically it's usually too many cuts on the slide or a dumb grip.
The USP is one of my favorites though
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>>54153328
>sleeping
>hear window break and someone goes "ayo grab da fuggen TV while i go rape the wyte wimmens"
>get up and grab my short barrel compact CC gun
>put on pants
>grab my shooting belt and thread it on
>clip my kydex holster to it
>hold up tyrone once i get my gun in the holster you'll see how quickly i can draw it, im so glad i got a compact instead of a longer barrel full size its just so much quicker to draw
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>>54153204
you're like homer designing his car
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>>54152191
I've had 0 issues with blazer 124gr, the 115's can be finicky in some guns
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>>54153288
>I told myself I would only buy one gun a year and I already bought one.
If you don't keep your word to yourself then you will lose integrity and self respect. Just buy one next year, it's only six months away. You will feel a real sense of accomplishment when you keep your promise to yourself and finally get the gun you want next year, trust me.
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>>54153386
I don't get the reference, sorry
>>54153345
Ooh the Laugo Alien does look really amazing, but I was hoping to keep it under $2000 and they start at $4800 before taxes and shit
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>>54153381
I suppose you’re clearly so much smarter than the 95% of Glock owners who use a 17 or 19 for home defense. Why not go longer still? Get a 17L, and then put a comp on it.

Or maybe get a 20 inch AR if you’re so focused on ballistic performance. You clearly don’t give a shit about maneuverability because your house doesn’t have doorways or corners, so it’s the obvious choice.
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>>54153328
The manuverability increase from handgun to handgun is negligible
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>>54153506
>he doesn't fire shots through corner studs and doors just in case
ngmi
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>>54153399
It was definitely 115 grain ammo in this case. The first mag, which I had significantly more luck with, was 124 grain Aguila.
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>>54153506
>I suppose you’re clearly so much smarter than the 95% of Glock owners who use a 17 or 19 for home defense.
this is unironically the case
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>>54153253
I have a 642 and really like it, it's a great gun but it's got some caveats.

Here's the caveats:
>the grip that comes with it is perfect for shooting anything it can handle with manageable recoil, but you need to grip high. being able to do this is a big part of the hammerless design's advantage, don't know how much this carries over to the shrouded hammer design as I've never held/shot one
>aiming is not as obvious as it is with semi-auto sights, you need to line up the top of the "blade" vertically as well as horizontally and it will feel as if you're pointing the gun slightly downward of your target. you may also want to paint the top half of said blade with bright nail polish for quicker/easier acquisition
>the short barrel length and distance from front to rear sight will magnify your mistakes in aiming, making it not very forgiving as a first gun
>you need to dry fire practice with the double action trigger to be effective with it
>many modern S&W revolvers come with a lock that you'll probably want to remove and fill the remaining hole in the frame (google smith and wesson lock delete kit) due to reliability concerns with reports of the lock occasionally activating during normal usage
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>>54153525
So is the energy difference between 9mm out of a 4.5 inch barrel and a 5.4 inch barrel, and yet here you are. But go on dude, get the 34 for home defense to be special.
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>>54153501
>Ooh the Laugo Alien does look really amazing, but I was hoping to keep it under $2000 and they start at $4800 before taxes and shit
Yes, it's an amazing gun but it has got a lot of features that are fucking pointless unless you're participating in tournaments at a level where you're spending 5-6 figures yearly anyway and have sponsors etc. Lots of hand tuning and polish to shave sub-moa off, but that isn't worth thousands to most of us. It's also very small scale not mass produced. It'd be great if it gave big players a kick in the ass or they worked on a $1-2k version at some point that was a little less gold plated, but it's just not aimed at 99.9% of us is all.

I do love my M9, but as well as the frame the price I think has been creeping back up and it's also an NFA item with all the months of delays that entails (though eforms has made that a lot better just don't use SS). Maybe in another few years we'll see more players try to actually innovate in handguns again.
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>>54153135
>size is not a issue if it’s for homedefense
That's an argument to not bother with a handgun at all anon (correctly). A shotty or rifle is a better pure home defense gun then any handgun. Handguns are for personal defense on the go when carrying a rifle is impractical and/or you want concealment. Or a last resort when you for whatever reason don't have your rifle on you.
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What is a good rail mounted light for a pistol?
Any recommendations?
Specifically for a 509 tactical 9mm.
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>>54153611
just get a streamlight
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>>54153611
TLR7A, TLR1HL, X300 are the common recommendations, depending on what you want.
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>>54153631
>>54153639
ty anons
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>>54153411
You're right. I was able to hold true to that last year. I already have a Henery Midel X as a dedicated quiet gun, a threaded M1895 meme gun, and I was planning to either building a 300 BO AR or buying a 300 BO MDRX. It's not the only gun that would be really quiet.
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>>54153506
>Or maybe get a 20 inch AR if you’re so focused on ballistic performance.
Those are honestly more or less just as long compared to 18.5 inch stocked shotguns, with an A2 stock.
Clearing rooms, if it can be avoided, isn't forced by circumstance, is inferior to just staying put and lying in wait.
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>>54152583
That's the only one I'm afraid

>>54153220
lol Good on them

One time I took apart a gun and couldn't figure out where a part goed. But it was a CZ G2000 so lol good luck asking the manufacturer. I asked /k/ and BEWILDERINGLY somebody had one, and took a pic for me so I could see where the part went! Truly a blessed (and cursed) site

>>54153411
Imagine not compromising your morals for a sweet fleeting dopamine hit

>>54153204
I want to say that a lot of handguns in the early 20th century were that. FN 1922, Walther Model 6, that type of stuff. I know that's not what you meant but I am a pedant.

Colt All American 2000 with the aluminum frame is the only thing I can think of (other than Laugo) which meets all requirements.

Several pistols can meet all but one of those requirements, pic related are some. The problem is the operating mechanism; aside from tilting, gas or roller delayed blowback is the only thing you're going to see in 9mm and up, you can't do 9mm blowback without being massive. There are precious few guns using those mechanisms, most chose to stick with the simpler short recoil system.
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>>54153253
>>54153546
With the caveats out of the way, here are the pros:
>it's extremely comfortable to carry
>I like shooting it more at the range than my 9mm autoloading pistol largely because I can just load the rounds in the cylinder and don't need to bother with magazines at all
>commercial +p loadings of .38 special seem to have enough velocity to produce consistent hollow point expansion (see paul harrell's videos on this)
>dry fire practice is easy and convenient with this gun, helping greatly in making an actual habit out of it
I'm going to add that the idea of "nobody actually likes to shoot airweights" and "the recoil is just too much from these lightweight guns" is an outright myth, and it'll be about as accurate as you train to be with it (provided you're using decent ammo).
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>>54140360
Is the g3c shit tier for carry? Theres a sale bringing it down to 160 and want something reliable, cheap, and with manual safety
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>>54153604
An extra inch on a handgun isn't comparable as an extra foot and a half for a rifle
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>>54153611
the TLR1-HL was on sale for Fathers day at Cabelas and Bass Pro shops.
Its still on sale but not by as much.
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>>54153546
>>54153723
thanks
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>>54153253
rebuttal:
dont get an airweight
Get a model 60
All the pros of a J frame
But with an actual hammer
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>>54153712
>lol Good on them
>One time I took apart a gun and couldn't figure out where a part goed. But it was a CZ G2000 so lol good luck asking the manufacturer. I asked /k/ and BEWILDERINGLY somebody had one, and took a pic for me so I could see where the part went! Truly a blessed (and cursed) site
Yeah sometimes this stuff works out, cursed aspects aside /k/ can actually be kind of cool sometimes in random oddball stuff like that where just one single picture would make your life a lot easier. I've taken this whole thing apart a bunch of times but only to lube or mess with the springs and such, so I'd always just put it back together without really noting where every last little bit would go if I'd literally 100% completely disassembled it. Which was fine, right up until it was late and a cat decided I'd ignored their dinner long enough and clawed at my leg at just the wrong time and god damn it where the fuck did this little brass rings or extra spring go?

Though now that I think about it I wonder if there is any sort of "oddball guns" Wiki type of thing where we could just upload pictures of everything/scans of manuals to supplement when official resources aren't available. Would be useful and not complex or anything.
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>>54153253
I have nothing against that or the other options anons talked about they are great guns. But just as another nice option in the ultra-compact/pocketable small gun space, the Kimber solo carry is fantastic for something with such a short barrel. Might be worth taking a look at in a comparison.
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>>54153712
I love how the Colt 2000 was another ill-fated Stoner fuckup that's excused by "Colt turned muh perfect creation to shit".
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>>54153746
Until you more than double that you won't find anything better. For that price it's really great. Objectively it's okay

>>54153865
That's kind of what Forgotten Weapons is, minus the extreme full micro disassembly

>>54153914
I think it gets a bad rap from the plastic ones, Reed Knight said the aluminum ones were good so presumably that's what the gun was supposed to be. I don't have a plastic one to compare and see how bad they actually are though
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>>54140360
why are 40sw models of guns usually cheaper than the 9mm or 45acp versions? It doesnt make much sense honestly.
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>>54153992
Because nobody wants them.
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>>54153958
>minus the extreme full micro disassembly
Unfortunately that's what would be really helpful I think a lot of the time, and in terms of maintaining guns long term. Hell, it'd be great to support upload of full 3D scans and so on eventually for guns completely out of production (or 20+ years old), the sort of thing where 50 years from now it'd make it tons easier to keep old guns working via new 3D prints without resorting to massively marked up used.
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>>54153992
>It doesnt make much sense honestly.
why not? 9mm and 45acp are popular 40sw is dumb.
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>>54154001
im shocked by that. im sure someone uses 40sw.
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>>54153992
Nobody wants them. According to most gun owners under the age of 35, anything but 9mm is a fudd round.
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>>54154033
>>54154027
interesting.
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>>54154028
>im sure someone uses 40sw.
Are you from 2004 or something man
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>>54154049
no? why?
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>>54154018
Luckily most guns, even obscure ones, have exploded views you can investigate. That wouldn't help with dimensions.

You're proposing something really extensive lol it would take an incredible autist to put that together, I think we have no such champion
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Is the P2000 any good?
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>>54154033
>According to most gun owners under the age of 35, anything but 9mm is a fudd round.
Don't strawman, plenty of people like/see the need for both smaller stuff (38/380 for ultra compact guns) and big boolet fun/big game (10mm, maybe 45 for niche subsonic, and of course various fun revolver rounds like 357 or 44). But 40sw was an FBI requested shittier weaker version of 10mm that even the FBI then themselves abandoned. It's in an awkward middle. It's much higher recoil and much lower capacity than 9mm, but doesn't perform significantly better and if you've decided on a full size gun and heavier recoil ANYWAY there isn't any reason not to just go straight to the real deal. 9mm with modern loads easily does the practical job 40sw was intended to do better and with far more gun platforms to choose from, and 40sw isn't the funsies or true big game stopper a serious big boolet is. Gun owners don't have to worry about diversity hire government requirements.

There are people who like the 40sw guns and that's fine, it's plenty popular enough that it's not like ammo has horrible availability issues or anything. Ultimately what you like is the most important thing in guns, far more than any spreadsheet numbers. But still it's a compromise round that's kind of a quirk of the history of government procurement and doesn't have any stand out strengths. So it's just never going to be as popular is all.
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>>54154162
I bought my first handgun this week, a stock 92fs. It might not be the most practical or ergonomic, but I love it and think a full size 9mm is a good home defense gun.
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>>54154162
It was just a post brother
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>>54154179
Whoops didn't mean to reply to you anon
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>>54154091
>You're proposing something really extensive lol it would take an incredible autist to put that together, I think we have no such champion
Eh, I'm more thinking something that a community could slowly put together over time. There are plenty of gun autists in total. I might make that a fall project myself then if nothing really exists but I'll have to really hunt around first, but it's not like it'd require much in the way of resources. Static curated wikis with free caching in front, no video or anything, are really light. Just has to be something with a standard guide for how to take some photos so that we can sort of "document for ourselves, but others can read it" if you know what I mean? I'm going to doing a really careful break down of my M9 after this incident anyway, might as well put it all up for everyone. Others with oddball guns might well have already done that, it's just that the photos are sitting on their own computers.

Anyway idle thought, might never come to much but you never know. As the weather gets colder and I have more down time could be a fun weekend thing to try.
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>>54154179
Nice anon Beretta 92fs are great, make sure you pick up a trigger job in a bag from Langdon or Wilson, and some nagazines from Mec-gar.
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>>54154179
>I bought my first handgun this week, a stock 92fs. It might not be the most practical or ergonomic, but I love it and think a full size 9mm is a good home defense gun.
Good for you, just remember that practice practice practice is the big thing. Do dry fire, maybe get yourself a little training kit depending on where you are, learn to drill holes close first then expand distance. Even if you got it for home defense which is a serious purpose, have fun as well!
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>>54154129
It’s okay. “Better” than a USP, but without the panache or aesthetics. If you really want a small, hammer fired DA/SA polymer gun, then it’s one of the few commonly found options along with the Px4.
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>>54140821
>Sigma Balls
These were good when they were <250$.

Then retards kept buying with purchase research based on memes. Same reason we have retards asking if their 600$ Mosin with no ammo purchase was a bargain.

Literally Taurus put out better EDC 9mm options for the pricepoint Sigma Balls & West'n was good at
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>>54154264
I actually prefer the P2000 for the grip alone
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>>54154254
>>54154264
Thanks anons, I own rifles but wanted to branch out ti handgun shooting, I felt the 92fs is both very aesthetically pleasing and a good pistol to learn on. I think my next handgun will be a compact glock for carry.
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At the risk of sounding like a shill, anyone use these "Speed Beez" over traditional speed loaders? I like the idea that you can just push instead of having to rotate since I can never fucking remember which direction I need to rotate, But I'm nervous that weird circle spring will wear out real quick or the cartridges will fall out in my pocket or it doesn't work as well as advertised.
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Are you fucking kidding me? I ordered 4 mags from Midway USA and they sent me only fucking 1. This shit is about to get fucking banned, I ordered on the 17th and had to wait until fucking now to get the mags even though I selected 2 day shipping. Fuck this company, holy shit I am livid.
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>>54154565
It's your fault for living somewhere that bans mags lel.
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>>54154523
bump
im curious too
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>>54154573
shut up nigger
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>>54154615
Cope.
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>>54154523
I’ve never used those but I’ve been using Bianchi plastic ones that operate similarly for years and I’ve never had an issue.
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>>54154523
I don't but a range friend does and likes them. Haven't heard of any particular wear issues over a year or two, but for what, $35? if they end up being a consumable like magazines that doesn't seem terrible frankly. The one issue he had is that unlike twist types they don't retain rounds that well, certainly if you drop it but if it's in a tight pocket with a bunch of other hard stuff might lose one. He solved it for cc by just having em in a leather pouch, for range he had some sort of case dunno if speed beez makes it or someone else.

I suspect that's going to be the same as other spring types like a Jetloader of Comp-III, fundamentally that mechanism is just a tradeoff. Is it worth retention to you to not be limited to the Miculek hand swap, not be so sensitive to chamber fouling etc?
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>>54143327
I'm gonna buy the shit out of this
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What are my options for a railed 1911 that is sub $1,600?
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>>54154692
Thanks a ton for the info. Sounds like it's worth a try, at least.
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>>54154823
TRP operator probably your best bet
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P2000 or Glock 34 for a home defense handgun?
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>>54154951
Glock 34
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>>54154949
I hate Springfield and Ruger
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>>54154129
Pretty good. Better than a USPc in some ways, worse in some ways.

Personally I think it's the overall best gun HK ever made. All the HK quality with none of the pretentiousness and only minimally overpriced.
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>>54153560
I'm not him, I carry a 17, the 34 has pros for competition but not really for defense
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Do most popular handguns come in a left handed version? is that even a thing? noob from earlier here....
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just got a glock what kind of holster should I get
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>>54155379
JM Custom Kydex
>>54155326
No, but many can be converted (or already are Ambi)
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Anyone try out the EOtech EFLX yet? Was considering getting it over the trijicon rmr because it's so much cheaper
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>>54155379
that feel when no girlfriend
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>>54155448
sorry to hear that bro at least you have a nice revolver
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>>54155326
If by left handed you mean completely reversed, that's pretty much unheard of. But if you just mean able to use, very many have controls that are either on both sides or can swap from one side to the other. Most guns still don't have "left handed" controls but lefties are perfectly capable of using them. For example if a gun has a slide release on the left side (for right handers), you can simply use your index finger to actuate or release it.

>>54155410
>it's so much cheaper
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>>54155448
>that feel
What's the inverse of headache and heartache?
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What do I get going from the 2000-2500 usd Wilson combat/dan wesson territory to the 4k and up custom/Ed brown/guncrafter industries etc. Talking about 1911s of course.
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>>54155667
>eotech
>china
go and stay go fuck the RMR and its shitty tiny window trijicon are lazy fags
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>>54156031
You'll turn boomer heads at the range, that's about it. imho, despite the 1911s obvious potential as a hand-fitted match winning autism machine, it really shines in its GI A1 pattern as a .45 that just werks.
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>>54155667
My 508t is awesome and I have no complaints. I understand China shits out a ton of CVlife tier garbage but chinese=shit is a fallacy.
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>>54156084
lol woah
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>>54155410
No though I'm interested. Lower cost is obviously good, there is no reason for prices to remain unchanged from intro except profit margins. But the EFLX also just looks like it's better, though evolutionary. Longer battery life (makes sense with new electronics), better image, eotech knows how to make durable enough stuff not that that's any real challenge for most handgun usage.

>>54156096
The EFLX is US made though. All debates about China aside, the RMR has zero advantages on that front. It also doesn't have shit design features like a battery on the bottom so you have to take the whole fucking thing off and rezero to change it.
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>>54155667
>>54156166
holosun makes the absolute best rds american companies are fat and lazy and wont compete
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I want to install an apex trigger into my M&P shield but I cant decide between the flat faced trigger kit or the action enhancement trigger and duty

can I get a breakdown of the two and which you guys prefer?
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>>54140821
>HE'S GOIN FOR IT
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new thread
>>54156609
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>>54156031
You get fully custom, hand fit guns. Everything will be milled, nothing mim, perfect extractor to slide fitment, mainspring housing to beavertail fitment, etc. IMO, Dan Wesson is the last “good value” price point, everything beyond it really begins to have diminishing returns. Won’t lie though, the Nighthawk my boomer range buddy has is realllly nice.



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