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>manual loading with 3 round clips
what the fuck were the bongs thinking?
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>>53552584
I don't really understand why the bongs develop their own armour yet allowed 99% of their aircraft industry to be dismantled.
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>>53552629
Bongs ain’t a rational pypo
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>>53552584
In the 80's it would have shredded any Soviet apc/ifv.
Warrior is also rock solid and can take a real pounding with the chobham add on armour.
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>>53552584
>bongs
>thinking
While bloodthirsty, their minds have never adapted to well to actual martial thinking.
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>>53553709
that is only true when speaking of the last 1.5 centuries.
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>>53552629
they thought aircraft would be obsolete with the advent of sams
they were obviously wrong
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>>53553802
They never won a real war against a peer.
Having an island is a massive advantage defensively though, so they couldn't ever really lose either since people never really bothered with invading.
Except when they did and it worked of course.
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how many rounds is a typical engagement if you had an actual real autocannon?
like if i'm in a bradley and i see a bmp, how many times am i shooting him with the autocannon?
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>>53553824
Until it explodes or burns up.
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>>53553845
how many rounds is that
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>>53553823
>Except when they did and it worked of course.
Wasn't the last time that happened 1066?
There's a reason the Bongs feel complacent.
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>>53553824
Actual wars have taught us that people tend to need way more rounds than in any training scenario for literally everything.
Suppressive fire becomes more wasteful, accuracy drops sharply, hits don't kill etc.
Sp takewhatever you think, multiply it by 4 and then it's probably still too low.
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>>53553872
>There's a reason the Bongs feel complacent
The Vikings played the long game by giving them a false sense of security when they took a piece of land and got paid for not taking them.
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>>53553812
ukraine has proved them right though.
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>>53553854
This might help, 30mm vs BMP
https://streamable.com//zkwi1f
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>>53553895
Russkis still have complete air dominance. They just don't know how to use it and don't have ammo for their planes.
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>>53553823
I can't tell if you're memeing or just retarded.
The English have a long history of absolutely buttfucking peers and even powers greater than them.
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>>53553939
No,they really don't. They have a history of hiding on their island when things go sideways.
>inb4 wars against shitskins, spearchuckers, chinks and those America won for you
Kek, go build another boat, homo.
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>>53553899
neat thanks
rarden is 30x170 vs the 30x165 on those so i would assume it would do a little better, but they're shooting a heckuva lot more than the six round ready that rarden has
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>>53553939
The English have a long history of taking credit for their allies is more like it.
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Maybe those crazy krauts were onto something with a 57mm "IFV".
No idea where troops would fit though.
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>>53553957
>>53553998
based retards
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>>53552584
With the turret launches of BMP's I'll take it instead as a stop gap desu
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>>53554044
Come back when you can own a semi auto in a real caliber, bongoloid slave.
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>>53554044
Just Anglo supremacy haters mad at the west don't mind them
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Vatnik cope ITT. Enjoy our Brimstone raining down on you x
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>>53553939
lol, it took all of Europe to defeat Napoleon
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>>53553913
>implying
It's an impasse in air, no one has dominance. Ukraine has a fuckton of AA now, but also doesn't really have the planes or pilots to use the sky they control - calling that "complete russian dominance" is wishful thinking at best.
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>>53552584
>what the fuck were the bongs thinking?
>bongs
>thinking
Anon, I...
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>>53553913
Nice cope nigga
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>>53552584
>manually loaded autocannon
>120mm rifled gun with bagged charges
>SACLOS anti-aircraft missile
>ramped aircraft carriers
Bong military equipment can be so adorably quaint.
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>>53554032
That looks incredibly menacing.
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>>53554449
Can you believe nobody wanted to buy it?
It was all figured out, had a TOW launcher too.
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>>53554032
>>53554449
>>53554669
Isn't it just basically a light tank? I don't remember it having any troop capacity to speak of.
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>>53553823
Except Spain. And France. And Russia. And Germany.
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>>53552629
some officer convinced everyone that the age of the aircraft was over because of the SAM so they literally just let their aviation industry fall apart
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>>53553824
until you see it blow up or it runs away and then some
>>53553874
points out a common pitfall with being overly reliant on extrapolating out experiences from training to actual combat
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>>53552584
Wanted to reduce weight
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>>53552584
they are fucking RARDEN that's what
IMO it might be conceptually one of the shittiest autocannons or vehicle mounted weapons ever made
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>clips
It's called a magazine
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>>53554934
It's actually a clip in this case.
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>>53553913
>Russkis still have complete air dominance
They're keeping their strategic bomber fleet well inside Russian airspace because they still don't have air supremacy over eastern Ukraine. In the western half of the country, it's even worse since the Ukrainians took out the Moskva and all of its S-300F launchers, meaning there's a massive hole in their IADS network there.
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>>53552584
>that side door
did 1930s italians design this?
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>>53554917
i wouldn't necessarily say it's shitty
it's a super overspecialized gun that just ended up getting slapped on warrior for budgetary reason
they wanted a 30mm cannon that didn't require external power with an absolutely tiny turret footprint so they could mount it on itty bitty vehicles (fox, scimitar) to outrange and knock out soviet apcs and recon vehicles

>>53554934
it uses clips
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>>53554334
>SACLOS anti-aircraft missile
try MCLOS
>Blowpipe was used by both sides during the Falklands War in 1982. With the targets being fast-flying aircraft, flying low and using the ground to hide their approach, the Blowpipe operator had about 20 seconds to spot the target, align the unit and fire. Brigadier Julian Thompson compared using the weapon to "trying to shoot pheasants with a drainpipe". During the conflict, British forces fired 95 missiles, of which approximately half suffered failures of various kinds,[7] and only nine managed to destroy their targets and all of these were slow flying planes and helicopters.[8] A later report determined that only one kill could be attributed with certainty to Blowpipe, that of an Argentine Navy Aermacchi MB-339 (0766 (4-A-114)) during the Battle of Goose Green on May 28.[9] Blowpipe was also used on the Argentine side, with one British Harrier GR3 (XZ972) being claimed by Argentine Army 601 Commando Company,[10] though the pilot believed he was hit by anti-aircraft guns.[11]
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>>53552584
despite all it's flaws, I still like Warrior-Chan, and I think that counts for something, right?
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>>53555061
i'm kind of impressed they managed 9 kills out of 95 launches given how horrible everyone says it is
i would have expected 0 kills
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>>53555061
What in the actual fuck
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>>53553709
We dont develop our ouwn armour anymore, but even when we did we have always been crippled by our spendthrift and corrupt governments. Look at some of the shit we were deploying in France in 1940, tanks that werent even bullet proof and armed only with MGs. The BEF was supposedly one of one of the most advanced armies in the world. No wonder we got stuffed and legged it back over the channel after only three weeks of fighting, Bravest Hour, my arse.

Most of our modern stuff is no better since we lost our last tank factory a few years ago, forcing us to rely on whatever bargain basement shit other countries are trying to get rid of. We recently had to dump a 'super high tech' APC (Ajax) that GM was trying to sell us - it was actually a cheap retread of a spanish APC from the 1970s, that was still shit after being given new optics and a paint job.
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>>53552584
Oh and i forgot to mention
>no stabilizer
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>>53552584
When mounting the gun they found it wouldnt fit, so they rotated it 90 degrees. This meant though that the chain feed they originally wanted no longer fitted, so went with a 3 round clip instead. Typical british engineering 'good enuf' bodge job.
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>>53552584
It did very well in combat - and has seen more combat than every other European IFV, Russia excluded obviously.
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>>53555584
How dare you tell the truth. This is clearly bong bashing time with the Challenger thread in catalogue too.
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>>53555584
That's cope, you could have said the exact same of every IFV in the world if the British had adopted them.
Try to find some technical merit at least.
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>>53555609
Both uploaded outside bong hours in less than 30 mins of each other. Guaranteed its someone who needs to say sorry to starstreak. I love how upset we make them.
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>>53555634
Technical merit like having confirmed tank kills with that autocannon?
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>>53553895
>ukraine has proved them right though.
Ukraine has proved that drones are the future and anyone that dismantled their miltech aerospace sector was a bunch of fuckwits.
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>>53555648
Ok, the cannon is reasonably powerful, on par with pretty much every other IFV.
Have anything else?
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>>53552629
It's actually a huge crime that people should be hunged for
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>>53555657
Not on par, it exceeds every other IFV of the era. Get it right.
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>>53555634
Nah your just retarded. It's a super survivable battle taxi with plenty of armor kills under its belt that's been used in a huge number in three huge theatres that dwarf any other European sized deployment. No other euro IFV can come close to the experience the warrior has, your just coping because your hating all the attention bongland is getting over shadowing your country? Which is where BTW?
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>>53552629
The UK was just not competitive anymore, especially after not joining Airbus on a national level. Now the only meaningful rest of the national aerospace industry is part of Airbus anyway.
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>>53555665
>hunged for
It's hanged for m8, imagine a European talking about armour, continental Europe is a fucking joke compared to bongland regardless of what gucci kit they have, they would get stomped real quick.
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>>53552629

When was the last time Bongs developed their own armor Anon, 1993? Both industries died at the same time, the aircraft one just more obviousl because it had a commercial phase.
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>>53555556
There is a reason why the British automotive industry is basically owned by German companies. They were at some point so far behind that they couldn't compete anymore.

And the subpar automotive industry leads directly to subpar military vehicles. Post-war the British have never developed a tank that somehow got the automotive basics right. Chieftain, Challenger 1 and 2... they were all clusterfucks.
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>>53555693
You mean even after much of Europe United they still depended on the UK to make their jets? Lol
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>>53555723
You will never have a capable military, only hate on others without stating your own nation.
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>>53555667
No, the 40mm Bofors exceeds it and the 25mm Bushmaster and 30mm 2A42 match it. For IFV armament the 100mm 2a70 vastly exceeds it.
The Rarden is not an exceptionally powerful gun and turns out to be extremely lacking when all factors are considered.
>>53555684
Once again, not an argument. UK could have adopted literally anything and it would have the same combat experience.
I'm from America, you know, the country where you can actually own firearms?
Not an argument and perhaps you should stop being so insecure about other Europeans.
Post guns Nigel Snaggletooth.
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>>53554117
And yet when Napoleon stepped into the water he had to carefully plan his movements to avoid the patrolling British naval power, and we chased him. British triple cannon deck ships were the most powerful weapon on earth for 100s of years.

104 cannons on the HMS Victory.
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>>53555693
also

>The first satellite launch from the UK will take place this summer as Prometheus-2 takes off from Spaceport Cornwall in Newquay, the Defence Procurement Minister, Jeremy Quin has announced today.

>As part of a Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl) project, the satellite was built by In-Space Missions and designed by Airbus Defence and Space UK.
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>>53555763
Oh and the Marder IFV has fucking ATGMs to make up for it's weaker cannon before you start seething about Germans.
Imagine designing a clip fed cannon IFV without even using ATGMs in the 80s, just absolute retardation.
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>>53553913
>Russkis still have complete air dominance
So that explains them flying at tree top level in their own territory
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>Bong equipment
>can't sell it to anyone despite trying
>???
>truly the best!
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>>53555723
chieftain was screwed by a retarded nato engine specification that nobody in nato actually followed anyway
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>>53555822
It's a mystery
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>>53555795
Because Warrior was never designed as an IFV? Don't understand how you don't comprehend that the Marder was designed to run with Leopards while the warrior was just a battle taxi.
Literally a 10 ton weight difference between Warriors and Marders of the same period.
Warriors weren't IFVs. Britain didn't and still doesn't have an IFV concept because it'd require actually having tanks.
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>>53555667
Wrong.
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>>53555859
Reminder that the Bongs want to replace the Warrior with Boxers equipped with a 12,7 mm or 7,62 mm gun.
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>>53555763
>I'm from America!
Yeh, sure you are
>B-but Marder!
Kraut confirmed,face it you could have a helfire mounted to them it wouldn't make up for the fact 10 of them are serviceable.
>Not an argument
You keep saying this but your wrong, same with the Challenger seethers. I get it we make the Continent cry because we are the only ones capable of Defending it but christ alive how can you cry about ifvs when apart from the Bradley, Lav and Warrior nothing else has done anything similar to show any kind of flaws. The fact the only thing people cry about is the cannon makes me think its just gamer nerds upset they're getting sprayed.
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based Marder gang!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P064Lqv1Lyw
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>>53555859
Again can you name a European nation that's used tanks like Britain has? Your argument is literally the words of a sperg.
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>>53555763
Bofors has drastically less penetration. Neither of the other two match it (25mm doesn't even come close) 100mm isn't even an autocannon. Why do we make you so upset with our superiority?

>>53555795
There was provision for to arm warrior with MILAN but it was never needed because the cold war ended. Warrior was deployed alongside tanks, helicopters dedicated ATGM vehicles and teams. Because, you know, combined arms warfare is a thing and not every vehicle has to do everything.
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>>53555859
LOL this retard again.

>>53555871
Boxer in that configuration is to replace FV43X series. There is an additionally order pending for the warrior replacement vehicles that look likely to have turrets and probably the cta 40mm. Good chance that there will be 155mm boxer variant to replace AS90 at a later date in that order too.
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>>53555871
What a bunch of clowns
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>>53555882
How many active marders are able to be scraped together?
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>>53555871
Because it's an APC and a Boxer replaces it just fine.
The problem with Warrior was it was designed for a conflict that never happened. The 30mm was chosen because it was expected to respond to USSR IFVs and the specs people were getting out of Russia was "frontally immune to 20mm" and other claims. Same reason the Scimitars got it as well, despite the 90mm gun on the Scorpion already being better at everything bar maybe accuracy.
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>>53553824
War is weird. Some units will never fight while others will be in more action than they're doctrinally allowed to be in. Sometimes that BMP refuses to burn up. We cannot control the intensity of enemy resistance or do such a thing as strategically mete out the number of rounds a Bradley will fire in one engagement. What we can do is give it more ammo and give the crew the ability to expend as much of that ammo as effectively as possible.
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>>53555912
Apparently 100 for now.
https://www.businessinsider.de/politik/deutschland/vor-drei-jahren-verkaufte-rheinmetall-marder-panzer-an-jordanien-jetzt-soll-die-ukraine-dafuer-70-prozent-mehr-zahlen-b/
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IF you have never
>Deployed more than 150 IFV
>Deployed more than 20k troops
GTFO of the thread you have no place here kek only people that are warranted to bants UK is US. Euros you gota go back to deploying 3 Pumas to Lithuania as part of a multi european deployment of 6 IFVs
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>>53555912
Didn't they fail to find 10 or something? For a tiny deployment to their next door neighbour?
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>>53555931
And why 150?
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>has performed well in both CVR(T)s and IFVs killing tanks, IFVs, infantry and even aircraft in combat across 6 wars (including 3 conventional large scale invasions)
>AFVs carrying RADERN suffers no losses from enemy armour during gulf war and iraq war
>"no it's useless because of nominal rate of fire constraints from using gravity fed rack of clips instead of magazines"

I do have to wonder who could be behind this thread given the sudden snap cope defenses of russia every time they are brought up ITT.
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>>53554032
It's an "escort tank" meant to serve as a protector for infantry and convoys. 57mm autocannon could take out most armor and air craft. Mounted ATGM and MANPADS could take out the rest.
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>>53555875
>muh combat record
Irrelevant, your claim that it has the most powerful autocannon is demonstrably false.
>>53555889
>Bofors has drastically less penetration.
lmfao
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>>53555763
>muh 30mm
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>>53555941
Because if he said 160 IFVs then UK wouldn't fulfill its weird arbitrary cut off line.
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>>53555889
>Bofors has drastically less penetration. Neither of the other two match it (25mm doesn't even come close) 100mm isn't even an autocannon. Why do we make you so upset with our superiority?

Maybe a Bofors 40mm from fucking WW2.
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>>53552629
Tragic, however BAE is effectively just used as part of the US aerospace industry, and their engines and moreso many instruments are still top tier
So it's not totally gone
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>>53553823
Wut
They've just been reliant heavily on allies since they're an island that's always had boats on the brain, and never had competitive manpower
Things like Minden prove Anglos can absolutely fuck their peers shit up
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>>53555875
Seethe more Nigel, you will never have a good indigenous design.
Also fuck you for making me get out my guns when I'm drunk.
Limey piece of shit, your empire is gone and airstrip 1 sucks paki balls.
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>>53555941
Because 150 would be 10x more than the closest Euro nation lol we could go bigger though the warrior deployment to the Gulf was closer to 300.
>>53555927
Lmao what a standing joke that country is, only able to deploy 3 tanks for Nato too.
>>53555963
>Irelevant
Like your argument, in my post you replied too I never said anything about I being the most powerful learn 2 read retard.
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>>53555976
kek
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>>53555963
>BEEEG cartridge
I looked a bit though and didn't find much specifics on the L/70 or it's armor defeating ammunition. Given it's age I wouldn't doubt if it was comparable to a modern autocannon round of a much smaller form factor (kind of like how 30-06 is just a fat .308 now) but without much details I don't know what to think
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>>53556014
Imagine being so mad about an Internet conversation you took time out if your life to write that and post that picture specifically for me. Seek family you sperg hahaha
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>>53554117
Napoleon is without a doubt the greatest military leader and commander to have ever walked this earth
It took all of Europe and all their empires and colonies, just to LOSE to Bongoloids, Moortugal and most of all an autistic rebellious german rump state
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Why don't euros war bros? Is it just because they are totally incompetent or are they just scared?
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>>53556084
Too expensive
Too much effort
Doesn't look good for votes
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Why do bongoloids think they're welcome here when they can't even own proper guns
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>>53556126
Get to bed you fat idiot, your embarresing yourself.
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>>53556104
Ah, Gay you are then.
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>>53555763
A Russian who has a American greencard more like
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>>53556133
Can't write either, I see
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>>53555634
Interesting how the argument went from Bongs being terrible at war to Bongs could adopt any shitty vehicle and their doctrine, tactics, skills and drills would still see it come out with an exquisite combat record.
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>>53556209
>Type
Ftfy tubby
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>>53556240
Anglo haters just can't cope with the fact we are better than them.
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>>53556240
Beating up on third worlders isn't impressive.
Historically Britain sucks at fighting peer foes, just how it is.
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>>53556242
Post any firearm personally owned by you, slave
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>>53556084
If you open a history book, you might learn that most of europe is just kinda tired of wars.We were too good at them for our own good.
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>>53556270
Ah yes, that explains why parts of the continent are still in British hands whilst none of the British Isles are in continental hands.
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>>53556315
Ireland is in the EU :)
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>>53552584
Because the gun was designed to go in much smaller vehicles than Warrior.
It was designed in the 1960s for use in the Fox and then Scimitar, where the gun needed to be 30mm but have minimal breech intrusion into the turret
Warrior was offered with a 25mm Delco turret from the beginning but 25mm is shit and the Brits had designed some extremely effective 30mm APDS ammo for RARDEN which the Russians ended up copying for the BMP-2/BMP-3 after the end of the Cold War.
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bongs are just embarrassing. hopefully they cut funding to the mi6 shill department cause this is sad. hopefully an A10 will vaporize some more of them.
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>>53552584
Allowed a 30mm gun to be put in a very small turret
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>wants to make small turret so they can fit 7/8 guys in the back of the IFV easily (notices Bradley seating arrangements and laughs)
>wants a turret with 4 inch thick armour all the way around
>try to find a 30mm gun that fits inside
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>>53554843
>get raped on the continent
>hide on your island until allies win the war for you
Great showing, anon.
>>53555769
>when Napoleon stepped into the water
He was bust conquering land (while you hid, let the Prussians and Russians do the work and then claimed victory).
>>53556013
Cope
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Always love the seethe from continentals when there is a UK vehicles/weapons thread.
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>>53555875
>Kraut confirmed,
>>53556014

Why are bongoloids so obsessed with Germany here and keep accusing everybody of being German? Feels weird man.
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>>53553824
that Ukrainian BTR4 with its 30mm would dump well over a dozen shots per target
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>>53556280

More like we have the Channel so we were spared the worst of them.
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rarden more like retarden
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>>53556270
We raped the Germans twice
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>>53557298
Have you said sorry to starstreak yet?
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>>53557299
>enter continent
>get raped on the continent
>wait on island
Very impressive. If Dunkirk, an evacuation after losing pathetically, is your most impressive "victory" maybe trading your empire for it wasn't a good deal.
Reminder that Churchill died as a depressed alcoholic campaigning to keep britain white and regretting his retardation in WWII.
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>>53557312
no
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>>53557255
People laughing at brits while they cope and seethe is probably more enjoyable for them than for you.
Think you'll ever build an armored vehicle that isn't trash again? It's been like 80 years.
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>>53555763
>For IFV armament the 100mm 2a70 vastly exceeds it.
It's vatnik shit. Only good for launching your own BMP turret into stratosphere with all them HE stored in carousel autoloader.
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>Euros, mutts and turd worlders malding at the mere existence of Britain
>N-n-nooo we are actually l-laughing at you!
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>>53557220
Look at the little frog try justify his pathetic Grandparents cowardice. Its OK though I would be upset too if was you.
>>53557220
And what happened to him? Banished to a fucking island in the middle of the ocean hahahaha what a sad little man.
>>53557261
>Marder is best1!1!
>Gets called out german vehicle with no gun, no deployable numbers, laughable history and pathetic host nation
>b-but y bong bully Germany
Pathetic.
>>53557276
But what about your fantastic maggot line? The peak engineering of the French intellectual genius.
>>53557343
While defeating Italian Navy, German Navy, kicking Germany out of Africa all the way into Italy, fighting in the far east, Norway pretty much every theatre in the 2nd world war. But yeh keep up the cope.
>>53557361
Nah we laugh at your laughable combat experience and use of armoured vehicles, your all genuinely a JOKE. The entire EU combined has NEVER deployed anything like the UK has it really is sad...but here you are, upset about a 30mm cannon lol.

For instance I could invade and conquer the entirety of Germany with the warriors the UK has based there and Germany wouldn't be able to do a thing about it, as soon as they fall France would insta surrender reverting back to its submissive default setting of cowardice. Poland, Baltics and the Nords would be left and we would then split up whats left.
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>>53557394
>take a ride know the ajax
>go deaf
Good job anon, if you yell loud enough maybe your soldiers can hear you as well.
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>>53557553
Holy cope and seethe bongman.
I'm not gonna read all that screeching but it still looks impressive. You should have posted your gun alibg with it.
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>>53557553
Calm down Achmed, this is a basket weaving forum.
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>>53557553
>>53557583
Tldnr: Bongoloid calls random people French and German, is wrong about both and then pretends using weapon systems on backward savages magically improves their quality.
Not being able to own guns really fucks up their minds.
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>>53553939
Your empire is long gone.

picrel Royal Navy
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Imagine not being able to deploy more than 10 vehicles lmao
The Continent really is a pathetic joke that's shit itself at Ukraine invasion kek.
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>>53552584
Well I think the ARRSEpedia asrticle on Warrior sums it up quite well, despite being somewhat boastful...:

Warrior: Great big thrumming beast of a thing with a big growly engine and full of blokes who, when not asleep or having a wank in the drivers compartment, are the best Infantry in the world.

Goes really quick anywhere you want to take it, and stops bloody sharp-ish too.

To compensate for its speed, presence and protection it is equipped with comedy weapons that need precognitive abilities (Think I'll need HE in three rounds time) or (when using the Chaingun), a patient and slow moving enemy, "firing now", BANG, clunk, "stoppage, feck hang on a bit - bollocks - dropped the spinny thing"
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>>53557556
That is a Spanish designed vehicle that has been modified by the mutts. So I don't know what you are trying to prove here
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>>53552629
>yet allowed 99% of their aircraft industry to be dismantled.
Bong planes were always ugly so nothing of value was lost.
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>>53557628
Imagine seething impotently at anonymous strangers because you're factually a slave and your master has found new favorite pets who are legally allowed to rape your children if they're dark enough.
Absolutely dystopian.
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>>53557659
>it's not the fault if brits that they're too retarded to build their own shit and too jewish to just buy good stuff
Don't know about that one, island boy.
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>>53557628
It's always the case isn't it?
The French and Germans self-fellate at their claims of being the leaders of Europe, but when Europe is in crisis, it's the UK who steps up whilst the other too dither about.
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>>53557679
he didn't give out the impression he was russian tho
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>>53557679
Nearly makes me feel bad for them, but then I remember that they sold out their race and deserve it.
>>53557707
>but when Europe is in crisis,
Are we pretending that some eastern European shithole is relevant to Europe now?
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>>53557727
Russians at least rape their own people as well, in Bongistan that's an exclusive privilege of shitskins.
Plus, say what you want but sandnigger mafias would at least have to bribe Russian authorities. Britain somehow managed to have the only police force that isn't right leaning towards far right.
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>>53553823
>they'd never have won but for this!
Cope

Bongs are literally the keepers of the oldest written histories of mankind because they never lost their capital to foreigners and so the records are preserved
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>>53557750
>sandnigger mafias would at least have to bribe Russian authorities. Britain somehow managed to have the only police force that isn't right leaning towards far right.
They do it...
For free.
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>>53555976
150 is almost three battalions, or a brigade. UK deployed double that in 1st Gulf war and about that in the 2nd.

It's a fair criticism. How many euro countries have deployed anything bigger than a reinforced battalion in recent history? -its basically just the bongs and the frogs. Who haven't deployed heavy forces at the same scale as the bongs.
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>>53556183
give me a break? Iraq army was defunct from the beginning. Little to resistance. What a heroic war.
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>>53557759
>Bongs are literally the keepers of the oldest written histories of mankind because they never lost their capital to foreigners and so the records are preserved
That's bit even remotely close to being true. We have records from before London, which was founded by successfully invading Romans, even existed. Vikings also sacked London a couple of times.
How the fuck are bongs always so delusional?
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>>53557255
nobody wants to buy your gear.

Remember the challenger 2 disaster?
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>>53557765
This

Yuropoors will seethe and cope but everyone knows the UK has the most balanced self-sufficient division with all the enablers and gubbins in Europe. That's why Jens Stoltenberg threw a wobbly over Brexit
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>>53557733
Imagine not thinking a large war on Europe's border conducted by a hostile state is relevant. This post by itself shows why the French and Germans will never achieve the level of international influence they so desire.
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>>53557781
At least more than half our tanks work, Kraut

All those tanks you have are just feeding the KMW MIC because you still can't operationally field more tanks than either us or France
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>>53557787
>thread about vehicles
>let's talk about everything not directly relating to the vehicles themselves!
Kek, every time.
Does shooting sandniggers make your inability to build a good fighting vehicle any better, anon?
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>>53556259
This, the vatniks are in force today because of the rout from Kharkiv hence all the anti-UK threads.
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>>53557261
bongs are secretly envying the krauts and vice versa.
They aren't vastly different arguably. Hence the bong obsession with krauts.
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>>53557791
Germans don't want to bother with it, the French are not interested and it's an inter-European war so Europe isn't "in crisis."
It's just slavic infighting, how much propaganda do you consume to think it's that important?
The british mindset can really be summarized with a collage of yellow press front pages. What a brain dead nation.
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>>53557299
in a fair 1vs1 ?
give me a break.

it was a 20vs1 and no, the UK wasn't instrumental for allied victory.
The heavy lifting was arguably done by Russia on the eastern front. Later US joined.
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>>53557800
Cooming over a single individual piece of kit is useless because it's all the different stuff put together and with proper training that gets the job done

Otherwise you'll just end up like the Russians, loaded to the gills with technically-superior tanks but fucked in the ass by the oldest counter known to mankind; a dude with a panzerfaust
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>>53553565
I doubt it. Bradley's can kill Bradley's with their 25mm even with BUSK2.
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>>53557795
because we don't need to currently. Security is being provided anyways. Its a comfy spot in central Europe.
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>>53553872
1688
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>>53555976
I don't think that the UK can deploy 150 IFVs oversea either.
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>>53557781
It's okay the Bongs have learned their lessons and are hiring German companies those days.
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>>53557809
The cold hard truth is that Brits are obsessed with Germans but Germans genuinely do not care or think about them at all.
Football would be one example of many there. The arch rival of England in football is Germany.
Meanwhile Germans think about the Netherlands more than they do about England when it comes to football. When in England comes up somebody just makes a joke about penalty shots and we move on, meanwhile Brits have articles about the match weeks before and after every game.
The sad truth is that Brits as a while are simply not really thought about.
Our Erbfeindschaft is with the French, friendly banter happens with our surrounding Germanic nations and to some extent with the more relaxed slavs. Jokes about other countries exemplify that too. Brits have a ton of jokes about Germans. Meanwhile in Germany jokes are focused on poles, turks, the French and the semi-German nations around us.

The sad thing is that Brits somehow believe their obsession is mutual.
PS: Is that girl's name Ellyn?
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>>53557835
Cope.
No british made piece of kit is good.
That's why brits don't talk about the non-existent qualities of their kit and instead talk about how they killed goat herders with it.
>>53557894
Kek that's kinda sad.
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>>53557872
They have 70 tanks and slightly more Warriors right now on exercises, demonstrating for Russkie eyes, and probably just as many back home kitted up in case the balloon goes up. Cuz they take the situation in EE quite seriously.
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>>53557872
72 Challenger 2, 120 Warriors and 12 AS90s are currently on oversees deployment
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>>53557894
>Meanwhile Germans think about the Netherlands more than they do about England when it comes to football
That's so fucking funny
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>>53557929
no
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>>53557929
Winning in Afghanistan or what's the job?
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>>53557951
Ready to beat the shit out of Ivan if they step the line
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>>53557950
>N-n-no, it can't be, my army is a piece of shit, yours has to be too!
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>>53557872
>72 Challenger 2 tanks, 12 AS90 tracked artillery guns and 120 Warrior armoured fighting vehicles deploy to countries from Finland to North Macedonia.
>50 warrior and 25 CR2 in Estonia

So UK has 170 Warriors and 97 CR2s deployed in Europe alone.

GERMANY
>3 Leo2
>25 Marder
FRANCE
>6 Leclerc
>25 VBCI
>plus some wheeled things from the 50s

If your continental Euro, kys your pathetic.
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>>53557894
>Meanwhile Germans think about the Netherlands more than they do about England when it comes to football.
Holy fuck
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany%E2%80%93Netherlands_football_rivalry
30 YEARS UNBEATEN IN THE WORLD CUP HARROOO
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/England%E2%80%93Germany_football_rivalry
>While the English public, football fans and in particular newspapers consider a England–Germany football rivalry to have developed, it is mostly an English phenomenon since most German fans consider the Netherlands or Italy to be their traditional footballing rivals.
Kek, bongs got cucked
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>>53558009
you're paying the defense bill. sounds good to me.

our kraut position is arguably quite comfortable.
We dominate continental Europe via EU regulations while you are alone and isolated on a small island with global influence waning.
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>>53558042
>>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/England%E2%80%93Germany_football_rivalry
Wait a second, Germany won the most matches?
Kek, didn't expect that. Is that why bongs are so butthurt about them on /k/ while Germans don't care?
Imagine having a one-sided rivalry that defines your relationship with another nation and it's based on fucking losing lmao
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>>53558042
>When the Dutch have more PzH2k than Germany
Kek
>>53558048
You hilarious meme military is beyond embarresing I wouldn't dare show speak about it if it were you. Mind, that's why insignificant elements like yourself make these kind of threads I guess?
Do you like being a vassal for the UK military? We have like 3 of the biggest training areas in Germany and regulate when you can and can't use it, not that you would have the vehicles for that size playground.
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>>53557951
2/3rds in the Baltics, another third demonstrating up norf, Iceland IIRC
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>>53558048
>We dominate
Hardly
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>>53557894
>Germans never think about bongs!
>Spends his Saturday cope posting about bongs

Man of what you said was true this shit stain of a thread wouldn't exist.
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>>53555875
Europoors seethe that British vehicles have actual kills in the sandbox while they live in hypothetical land.
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>>53558111
Kek, see? The Dutch are aware of their relationship with us.
>>53558165
Anon, I've seen your people seethe about mine for years here and just corrected somebody who, probably based behaviour of people like you, thought it was mutual.
The fact that you just blindly assume a German made this thread proves me right though.
Face it, your one-sided obsession is yours and yours alone. I wonder how much of your seething is based on you just assuming people here are German when bullying brits is an international /k/ tradition and not really taken seriously by anybody.
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>>53555931
This. Lot of countries talking shit to Bongland with hypothetical militaries and hypothetical capabilities. They should eat humble pie before criticizing the almighty Bong.
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>>53558186
>British vehicles have actual kills in the sandbox
Emphasis on sand.
Though that begs the question, if killing sandniggers is relevant to vehicle capability, why did all of that not improve british vehicles in any way?
All those dead sand people and british equipment is still shit.
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>>53557905
>That's why brits don't talk about the non-existent qualities of their kit and instead talk about how they killed goat herders with it.

strange sentiment from any allegedly US posters since the US was leading 2 of the 3 near-peer conventional wars where RADERN armed AFVs saw combat use.

If you are euro then you are just coping about your autocannons being 5% more effective to disguise the fact that your armed forces haven't accomplished anything in modern history (maybe they took part in the last war but they either surrendered right away or lost). If you are a Russian let me take this opportunity to laugh unreservedly at all the Russian Tanks and IFVs that have been turned into blydo broilers by UK supplied missiles.
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>>53558220
> almighty

You're nothing but the small lapdog of the US which did beat you militarily if I remember correctly. It was a fair 1 vs 1 conflict and this one you lost.

So please stop bragging about your great WWII victory. It was basically the whole planet against Germany which isn't particularly large compared to US, Russia. It's super tiny.

True, the British Empire was once vast and great but it's gone.
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>>53558009
>send 8000 troops for exercises (not even part of a standing force)
>while everyone else is in Europe ready to deploy everything

How impressive
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>>53558308
>we don't exercise and that's good
Do yuros really...
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>>53558266
>>That's why brits don't talk about the non-existent qualities of their kit and instead talk about how they killed goat herders with it.
>strange sentiment
followed up by
>"british equipment might be shit but at least we killed goat herders!"
kek
Anon, American equipment stands based on its merits, British equipment can't. Simple as.
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>>53552584
iirc the reason for this was so that it could operate without electrics in the event of a nuke's EMP knocking out electrical systems
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>>53558338
Somebody should have told them that reloading can be done mechanically.
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>>53558048
I’d argue that the Ukraine war shows the Bongs have at least as much global influence as the entire EU.
>Better intelligence
>More deployed forces
>More supplied weapons
When Finland wanted security guarantees before applying to NATO they signed them with the UK. Not Germany, not France, not Italy.
The UK is a world power even if they don’t have “the empire”, they have US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
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>>53553824
A fucking lot. Its one of the problems facing IFV design right now, finding storage room for dismounts and ammo, especially if you want multiple weapons systems like the BMP-3 has. If you use all the internal space for ammo storage though you end up with a minitank that isn't an IFV and can't perform an IFV's role, whereas if you downgrade to an APC to carry more dismounts you can't engage enemy armor effectively. Its a hard balancing problem
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>>53558351
Mechanic shit can break down and require maintenance. Limit the need for repairs and specialist equipment.
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>>53558394
>limit the mechanical complexity of a modern AFV
lol
lmao, even
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>>53558369
I think you misunderstand what influence means.
>>Better intelligence
Germany unified the two best intelligence organizations of Europe after the cold war. There's a reason why the invitation to the 5 eyes went out (and why it was declined).
>When Finland wanted security guarantees before applying to NATO they signed them with the UK. Not Germany, not France, not Italy.
Because Germany, France and Italy are all not interested.
Italy has been historically close with Russia, Macron told Zelensky to just make peace with Russia and Germany has commies in charge right now.
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>>53558394
Literally everything can break down and require maintenance, that hasn't stopped any military from stuffing as much as possible into their AFVs in the last few decades.
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>>53558351
well back when it was made the only real alternative was the 25mm bushmaster that needs electronics to fire so they chose the rarden. on another note however they then chose the fucking chaingun as a coax for the warrior in the 90's which sucks ass and jams frequently
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>>53556084
>Is it just because they are totally incompetent or are they just scared?
Their armies are total trash. Look at Belgium, they think running around with some fucking 8x8 90mm fire support vehicles is a decent replacement for tanks.
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>>53558305
I’m American.
The revolution was sorta 1v1. The Bongs had American loyalists and brought over German mercenaries (Hessians). Later in the war we had French help.
1812 War was a white peace with nothing changing besides getting the bongs to quit kidnapping our sailors. Bastards would use a warship to take a trading vessel and press gang the crew into service. Nasty practice.

Anyhow, it’s in the past now.
And what tiny irrelevant country are you from? Argentina? Germany?
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>>53558308
kek
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>>53558369
>Bongs have at least as much global influence as the entire EU.
>>Better intelligence
How are you people so delusional? Bongs had good intelligence services in WWII, afterwards Germany became the global spy-hub #1. You literally couldn't take a walk through Berlin without seeing (though probably not recognizing) a couple dozen spies. The intelligence war during the cold war also had the most action going on in Germany and both sides of Germany invested a shitton into it.
Those capabilities were fused and are the reason why Germany has such incredibly good intelligence capabilities, it's just not talked about here. It's not like America where the CIA openly acts and is in the news all the time. Most people don't even know the BND exists and every single person who works for it has a second cover-job so that everybody else in their life doesn't figure out that they're in intelligence.
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>>53558474
>Most people don't even know the BND exists
Most people probably think the VS is the German intelligence agency.
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>>53558414
>Better intelligence
So good Germany didn’t know the largest European war since 1945 was happening 300 miles from its border.
>It’s okay EU member Finland chose the UK over France/Germany/Italy because we’re peaceful
Sad! Maybe the euros should just roll over and preemptively surrender to whoever is aggressive towards them. Maybe then European nations can have leadership with a spine.
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>>53553823
>people never really bothered with invading
the Spanish tried several times m8
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>>53558337
>American equipment stands based on its merits

not really people were talking mad shit about the Abrams, Bradley, F-15 etc. being over-complicated lemons before the gulf war when they completely dominated slavshit and proved their effectiveness beyond any doubt.

For the opposite effect people thought the T-72B3, T-80BVM and T-90 were pretty good tanks stats wise but look how much they've shit the bed in real combat.
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>>53558496
>So good Germany didn’t know the largest European war since 1945 was happening 300 miles from its border.
Wrong and dumb.
>strawman and cope
G3 > FAL by the way.
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>>53558503
>not really
Yes really.
>but people criticized it
Happens with literally all equipment at all times. Did fighting wars change anything about people laughing at british equipment?
>>53558502
There hasn't been a single time in human history where spain was a relevant country.
>but muh conquistadors
What did they do? Kill aztecs? Am I supposed to be impressed?
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>>53558414
>not interested
Ultimately we're all on the same side, but it doesn't help that this attitude >>53557826 is commonly expressed by the Franco Germans and Italy is off wanking in the corner, so the only one of the NATO Big 4 to step up is the Brits. And when proven wrong they just double down on their "let's just sit down with Putin and talk things out" instead of acting on the line drawn in the sand. And then have the temerity to say "oh we are a powerful influence, we're just ((not interested))"

Much as I try to be fair to everyone, Yuro cope is really something
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>>53558502
Napoleon wanted to as well.
Funny that they never quite make it over.
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>>53558441
just gonna say: Afghanistan (you spectacularly lost)
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>>53558474
>why Germany has such incredibly good intelligence capabilities
I'm old enough to remember the head of the BND getting caught in Kiev on the day Russia invaded after like 3 months of build up and explicit warnings from US/UK that they were going to invade literally any minute. Please shut the fuck up
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>>53558539
>Ultimately we're all on the same side
>so the only one of the NATO Big 4 to step up is the Brits.
Anon, I know you live in your own little fantasy world where you're a great hero, but have you ever considered that if Britain is the only one that "steps up" it might very well be the case that Britain is the only one profiting from it?
>And when proven wrong
What do France, Italy and Germany gain out of souring relations with Russia?
We all know a lot was lost, so what was gained?
>acting on the line drawn in the sand
Drawn by whom?
Why do you keep pretending British interests are European interests lmao
> And then have the temerity to say "oh we are a powerful influence, we're just ((not interested))"
Can you make a convincing case why any of the 3 countries should be interested in Ukraine existing or not?
>Much as I try to be fair to everyone, Yuro cope is really something
Nigger it's not cope, you're just a retarded autist who thinks in terms of Marvel movies.
French interests aren't British interests.
German interests aren't British interests.
Italian interests are also not British interests.
Get used to it.
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>>53558558
America has lost every counterinsurgency conflict because counterinsurgency is impossible to win. Britain lost the Revolution for the same reason.
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>>53558550
Because Russia and Germany beat Napoleon, not England.
>>53558568
>I'm old enough to remember something irrelevant
Good for you, gramps.
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>>53558537
If you count the disease they brought with them, the Spanish might have the highest kill count in history. Something like 90% of all natives in north and South America died in 100 years from disease. It’s way worse than the Black Death but poorly documented.
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>>53558539
lmao the sheer arrogance in this post
>guys we're all a team
>but I get to decide what's good for all of you
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>>53558537
>Did fighting wars change anything about people laughing at british equipment?

yes. look at the harrier as a specific example. the first gen sea harrier in 1982 cemented a previously poopooed concept into a iconic aircraft and made all the later adoption and development of the harrier possible by saying "look it worked the last time anyone had to do expeditionary warfare"
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>>53558639
>yes.
No.
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>>53558645

"no u"
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>>53558645
Embarrassing
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>>53558648
It's okay newfriend, you'll get used to people bullying brits on /k/ eventually.
Or you leave.
Or you pretend everybody who laughs at brits on /k/ is German because you lost a game of soccer 5 years ago.
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>>53558592
German (and French tbf, and many other useless Euros) intelligence failed predict the largest war in Europe since WW2 after weeks and weeks of really blatant signs that it was about to take place, please explain to me how that's not relevant
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>>53558648
>>53558659
>british equipment is objectively shit
>Ajax can't even be used without literally going deaf
>the main infantry rifle had to be reworked just to not be complete garbage repeatedly and was eventually fixed by Germans
>british tanks are a shitshow and still use rifled barrels
>people constantly and rightfully make fun of brits for it
>"No, actually everybody changed their minds about our great equipment!!!"
wew
lad
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>>53558676
Because it's not true.
Intelligence agencies warning of a war and politicians acting on it are very different things.
>but the head of the BND was in Kiev
How the fuck does that make literally any difference in your mind?
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>>53558577
It's this attitude why Germans/EU can never lead Europe. You'd sell everything east of Warsaw to Russia just to maintain good relations with your gas station.
Once again the Anglos must secure Europe for the betterment of all Europeans.
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>>53558577
>we're an influence in Europe!
>we don't do jack
pick
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>>53558665

I've been on /k/ since 2012. In terms of military equipment there aren't really that many threads about it. Aside from the occasional seething germoid or ESL vatnik annoyed after whatever recent British provocats.

Pretty much the only thing is the shitty forced meme over muh ramp
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>>53558639
>>53558648
>>53558659
>>Did fighting wars change anything about people laughing at british equipment?
>yes
How are they so delusional? Are they like that on every board or is it just on /k/?
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>>53558592
Because the British kept sinking French ships. Can't do a naval invasion if you can't put together a fleet.
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>>53552584
Bong stuff has to be capable of gettin10:1 k:d minimum. Now I said capable, not reliably. The potential. Because on the one hand Brits want to be a superpower, yet they will only ever be fighting either out numbered, out gunned or both. Hence everything is some bastardised 200iq/retarded weapon system.
Most will fail, but then sometimes you get mosquito or the challenger
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>>53558714
>>53558715
>britain
>lead europe
kek
>betterment of all Europeans.
You've been serving jewish masters for over a century, anon.
>>53558720
Nope + cope.
Britain was always made fun of regularly on /k/ for very obvious reasons. It got a bit more vicious when armatard regularly made Ajax threads every second day or so for months and butthurt brits retaliated by shitting up the rest of the board. Hasn't gotten better ever since.
>Aside from the occasional seething germoid
Lel refer to these post to find out why Germans have never and will never care about Brits.
>>53557894
>>53558042
>>53558091
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>>53557672
shut the fuck up
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>>53558776
>why Germans have never and will never care about Brits.

and yet this thread is clearly filled with malding germans. They make a big show of not caring.
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>>53558720
>Pretty much the only thing is the shitty forced meme over muh ramp
>Ajax
>SA80
>Inability to own guns
etc.
Why do newniggers always feel the need to pretend they've been here so long? Just shut up and don't mention it instead of lying when you don't even know the basics.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and say that maybe you just always focused on navy threads because brits are gay and like boats, but if your interests are that narrow you really shouldn't be trying to talk about the board in general.
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>>53553709
>>53553802
>>53553823
I can't stand potatoniggers but the fact is when the bongs lost their potatoniggers they crumpled militarily like a loyal bride in a carcrash. It does not matter where you look at bit bong battles like waterloo, the peninsular campaign, zulu wars, Gallipoli, Somme they had savage potatoniggers on the loose. Minus potatoniggers their empire was gone.
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>>53558709
>Because it's not true
proofs?
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>>53558843
Bizarre fantasy
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>>53558776
You're right anon. The UK/US is not doing a good job defending Europeans. Germany is doing sooo much to defend the east euros. Forget what I said anon!
>German intelligence agency stronk!
>German influence stronk!
>German weapons work!
I KNEEL
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>>53558885
It's true actually. Potatoniggers were the bongs imperial shocktroops.
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>>53558792
>and yet this thread is clearly filled with malding germans.
Here is the issue:
Bongs always think everybody who makes fun of them is a German due to their silly one-sided rivalry. See here for one example
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>>53555875
When proven wrong, they ignore it. When proven right they think it's universal. But worse than that, by blindly assuming everybody is German, making butthurt threads about Germans to seethe and talking shit about Germany when it has nothing to do with the topic because they just have to lash out at something, they'll eventually attract the attention of an actual German, get laughed at and then the cycle begins anew.
Anon, most people bullying brits on /k/ are not Germans.
Most threads about british equipment are not started by Germans. This thread was started 12 hours ago, what kind of timezone does that look like to you? And still there are numerous British posts in this thread pretending OP is German.
The word "obsessed" is massively overused on 4chan, but how else would you describe the unhealthy fixation of Brits with a country that rather banters with the Dutch of all people?
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>>53558874
>"disprove my claim I have not provided any evidence for!"
That's not how it works, bucko.
>>53558887
>defending Europeans
Who the fuck cares about inter-slavic conflicts?
That happens every 30 years, you retard.
If either the UK or the US would have ever cared about Europe, particularly eastern Europe, they wouldn't have allied with fucking Stalin of all people.
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>>53558906
You are either ESL or low IQ
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>>53558887
>The UK/US is not doing a good job defending Europeans
You're talking about a war among Europeans while both the UK and the US took the side of muslims the last time Europeans fought back against then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonibler
Disgusting race traitor.
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>>53558925
not that anon, you said it wasn't true - proofs?
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>>53558939
>Europeans chimp out and ruin things
>the Anglo must once again step in to restore order
Many such cases
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>>53558955
>prove a negative!
I see you never finished highschool.
0 evidence for it being true, so it's not. Pretty simple.
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>>53558929
Not an argument. Stay obsessed.
>>53558959
>the anglo must protect muslims to ensure they can safely rape their children back home
Many such cases.
Over a million in fact.
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>>53558973
did german intelligence predict the russian invasion of ukraine, yes or no
and provide proofs ty
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>>53558991
Every intelligence service warned of the massing troops, that wasn't a secret.
Anon saying French, German and Italian intelligence services were surprised by it when even fucking newspapers reported on it is flat-out ridiculous.
What a pathetic angloid cope. Go get raped by another paki.
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>>53558939
The US/UK have spent the last 20 years killing muslims. What are you on about?
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>>53558987
Whatever country you're from you will also be riddled with Muslims or blacks, if not you are one of them
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>>53559006
frog intelligence head was sacked, the german head was literally in kyiv rofl
what am I coping with, it's funny af
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>>53559006
>kraut trying to change the subject

Americans correctly predicted what was going to happen and when it was going to happen. The Germans and French insisted that it was fearmongering, until it happened.

Germans simped for Russia until they were forced by overwhelming pressure to do the right thing. Americans and Brits were doing the right thing from day 1.
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>>53559011
In fact I think we've bombed every Muslim population from the Philippines to Libya.
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>>53555031
its COMFY!
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>>53558885
‘It is mainly to the Irish Catholics that we all owe our proud pre-eminence in our military career and to whom I personally am indebted for the laurels with which you have been pleased to decorate my brow.’
The Duke of Wellington
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>>53558830

I didn't include Ajax since that is actually deserved not just errant seething like ITT. SA-80 too to some extent but again I don't remember ever seeing loads of threads about it any more than people spouting shitty memes about the M-16 (which there used to be quite a few of.) I specifically stated "In terms of military equipment " to sidestep "oi do you have a loicence" threads since it is completely irreverent to speaking about military hardware.

In fact that argentina cartoon I posted is a meme dating from a time when the irreverent nations seething at britain were the joke.
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>>53559011
Is that why you took their side in the last balkan war?
>>53559012
There is no country as cucked as the UK. That includes sweden.
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>>53559058

>la creatura de serbia reveals itself

I guess having a beer bottle inserted inside you explains some of the posts itt.
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>>53559044
My lords, if on the eve of any of those hard-fought days on which I have had the honour to command them, I had thus addressed my Roman Catholic troops: “You well know that your country either so suspects your loyalty, or so dislikes your religion, that she has not yet thought proper to admit you amongst the ranks of her free citizens ; if, on that account, you deem it an act of injustice on her part to require you to shed your blood in her defence, you are at liberty to withdraw:” I am, quite sure, my lords, that, however bitter the recollections which it awakened, they would have spurned the alternative with indignation; for the hour of danger and of glory, is the hour in which the gallant, the generous-hearted Irishman, best knows his duty, and is most determined to perform it. But if, my lords, it had been otherwise : if they had chosen to desert the cause in which they were embarked; though the remainder of the troops would undoubtedly have maintained the honour of the British arms; yet, as I have just said, no efforts of theirs could ever have crowned us with victory.

Yes, my lords, it is mainly to the Irish Catholic that we all owe our proud pre-eminence in our military career; and that I, personally, am indebted for the laurels with which you have been pleased to decorate my brow,—for the honours which you have so bountifully lavished on me,—and for the fair fame (I prize it above all other rewards) which my country, in its generous kindness, has bestowed upon me. I cannot but feel, my lords, that you yourselves have been chiefly instrumental in placing this heavy debt of gratitude upon me, greater, perhaps, than has ever fallen to the lot of any individual ; and however flattering the circumstance, it often places me in a very painful situation.
>>53559044
>The Duke of Wellington
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>>53559022
>the german head was literally in kyiv rofl
You keep repeating that like you're making a point with it.
>>53559024
>ricans correctly predicted what was going to happen and when it was going to happen.
They didn't. They predicted it would happen several times and had to move the timeframe back when it didn't happen.
Eventually they got it more or less right but that's like saying you can make it rain by snapping your fingers, sometimes it just takes a few days to start.
>The Germans and French insisted that it was fearmongering, until it happened.
So did Ukranians when they said the US should stop with the doom&gloom, it's called diplomacy you fucktard and has no connection to intelligence services.
>Americans and Brits were doing the right thing from day 1.
What the fuck is the right thing here?
What are you trying to achieve, more dead white people?
The independence of a random slavic state nobody cares about?
>inb4 muh morals
If the UK would care about national sovereignty you faggots wouldn't have been in most of the wars you were in lately and wouldn't have allied with literal communists and gifted Eastern Europe to them.
The right thing from day 1? The UK is a jewish golem with no soul and deserves getting wiped out by the pakis you've invited. Thank god boris wants to get even more africans into the UK to replace the slavs that left after brexit.
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>>53559049
>I didn't include Ajax since that is actually deserved not just errant seething like ITT. SA-80 too
Anon, I never talked about whether brits getting bullied is deserved or not.
I just said that on /k/ they always were and it mostly wasn't done by Germans, which is why it's so fucking weird that in the last 2-3 years Brits have gone full schizo about it.
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>>53559044
> The attribution of these words to the Duke of Wellington cannot be accepted. Sir William Butler made his extracts from a speech as printed at pp. 615-016 n. of J. C. O'Callaghan's History of the Irish Brigades (Glasgow, 1870), where it is given as spoken by the Duke " in 1829 when addressing the House of Lords in favour of Catholic emancipation." But O'Callaghan (who does not give his authority) was mistaken. No such words occur in any of the numerous reports of the 'Duke's speeches on Catholic emancipation, and the rhetoric would have been uncongenial to him. In the House of Commons on February 22, 1837 (on an Irish Municipal Reform Bill), Richard Lalor Sheil, referring to Lord Lyndhurst's description of the Irish as "aliens," exclaimed that the Duke ought to have risen from his seat at the word and said that he "had seen the aliens do their duty." Sheil then followed with a celebrated passage describing the speech which the Duke might have made. Shell's oration may be found in the volume of his speeches edited by Thomas Macnevin (Dublin, 1845), and the passage in question is included in Bell's Standard Elocutionist. It is precisely similar in sentiment to the apocryphal speech attributed by O'Callaghan, Butler, and Ruskin to the Duke, but the rhetoric is finer and more impassioned. O'Callaghan's quotation may have come from some other rhetorical exercise of the kind, but search both at Dublin and in the British Museum has failed to discover its source.
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>>53558714
who the fuck paints shit like that?
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>>53559097
You can almost smell the autism
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>>53559130
>>53559087
>>53559044
>Shell's oration may be found in the volume of his speeches edited by Thomas Macnevin (Dublin, 1845), and the passage in question is included in Bell's Standard Elocutionist
Reminds me of
>a scotsman and a jew drink in a bar
>at the end of the evening the scotsman says "I'll pay the tab"
>Newspaper headline the next day:
>Famous jewish ventriloquist found dead in an alley behind a bar
>>53559143
Cry about it, I'm still right.
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>>53559097
>dat kraut s oyjak coping
Fuck me, I can sense the disapproval of your forefathers all the way back to Friedrich der Große. Do the Krautdom a favor and neck yourself
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>>53559122

I would say Russians are the biggest butthurt belt. Armatard is at least one dedicated autist in that regard but it's difficult to deny the presence of at least 1 seething German in this specific thread based on the posts. Plus a Serbian it seems. I guess it could be same posting meaning one of the most pathetic creatura: a second generation serbian immigrant living in the west.
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>>53559142
hahahahahahaha!!
It's my favorite saved image because it absolutely always upsets someone.
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>>53559097
when do you go back to russia?
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>>53559206
>Armatard is at least one dedicated autist in that regard
Haven't seen him in a few weeks, has he finally killed himself?
>difficult to deny the presence of at least 1 seething German in this specific thread based on the posts.
If you randomly try to shit on any country again and again you'll eventually attract people who react in kind and UK posters have been doing it for quite a while now. Brits have been making a lot of enemies on /k/ lately it seems.
Makes me kinda glad /britk/ didn't survive.
>>53559218
Is that fucking harriet tubman on the right? lmao
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>>53559178
>no facts, no arguments just tears
I accept your surrender.
>>53559226
>hurr durr unless you're willing to hurt your own people for some random slavs you're a wodkanigger
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>>53559130
He's wrong though that text is in books published while wellington was alive, for example, The Liberator: His Life and Times, Political and Social. Front Cover · Mary Frances Cusack. Kenmare publications, 1850.

As a neutral scholar I am never surprised by the incredible degree to which English sectarians try and falsify history though, it is a continuous theme.
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>>53559260
>Is that fucking harriet tubman
Yes & Fredrick Douglas.
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>>53559130
Eh, just to let you know the British Ambassador to Ireland quotes it. So either bongs are liars or bongs are liars? Which lie is it to be?

https://www.f*ce book.com/BritishEmbassyDublin/posts/read-the-speech-by-our-ambassador-dominick-chilcott-during-the-unveiling-of-a-me/950346458348756/
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>bunch of plastic paddies shitting up yet another thread on /k/
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>>53559454
Wasn't much of a thread to being with
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>>53559439
"In later years, as Prime Minister, the Duke of Wellington put forward the case for Catholic Emancipation in the House of Lords. One of the arguments he used to persuade their lordships was that so many of soldiers who had fought successfully to defeat Napoleon had been Catholics from Ireland. Let me quote his words:
‘It is mainly to the Irish Catholics that we all owe our proud pre-eminence in our military career and to whom I personally am indebted for the laurels with which you have been pleased to decorate my brow.’
The Duke of Wellington’s tribute to his brave soldiers from Ireland, men like Sergeant James Graham (although he was not Catholic), speaks for itself.
Here in Kilmainham Hospital, we are only a stone’s throw from the Wellington monument in the Phoenix Park.
There is something particularly apt that the memorials of these two old soldiers – both heroes of Waterloo - should be so close to one another.
It is also a sign of the maturity that now happily exists in British-Irish relations that it should seem perfectly natural that I, as the British government’s representative in Ireland, should be part of today’s commemoration."
(British Ambassador Ambassador, Dominick Chilcott, during the unveiling of a memorial to Sergeant James Graham)
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>>53558903
>>53559044
What nonsense is this? The scotch have always been our elite troops of choice. They were literally our Marine Corps, we treated them like pitbulls, starved them, beat them and then occasionally let them off the leash to fuck someone up.
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>>53559454
It's always interesting watching the modern British bigot in all his various flavours try and rewrite history. Wellington fought a duel over his stance for Catholic Emancipation in Ireland.
Conversely, The Earl of Winchilsea was a staunch Protestant, and he accused ‘the Iron Duke’ of ‘an insidious design for the infringement of our liberties and the introduction of Popery into every department of the State’.

Insulted by this slur on his integrity, Prime Minster Wellington challenged Winchilsea to a duel, which Winchilsea accepted.
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>>53559454
Usually I'd side with you to bully the potatoes but I just spent like half an hour scrolling through this thread >>53537258
And now I think that maybe Great Britain needs to follow Atlantis.
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>>53559514
Didnt read, dont care. Seethe harder plastic paddie.
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>>53559491
Does not really matter. It is your history to falsify. I'm sure Russians do the same sort of thing. One of tyhe most hilarious things about reading on the events of Rourkes Drift is discovering that contrary to the film depiction of the British Officers, in reality both were homelessly dependent on the aging Irish veteran Commissar (he won a VC) who actually organised the lines of defense. It is a good example of the viciousness of little England historical revisionism as well, as in the film the man actually responsible for organising the defense is depicted as an aging idiot.....the English let themselves become a small people and a little people, a silly people: greedy, barbarous, and cruel.
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>>53556084
The last 2 times we did war, the entire world got crazy. And some retards actually used nukes we designed to show off. Enough is enough.
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>>53559551
>Welsh Regiment
>Irish NCO
>"commissar"
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>>53559551
>Rourkes Drift is discovering that contrary to the film depiction of the British Officers, in reality both were homelessly dependent on the aging Irish veteran Commissar
As the news of the disaster at Isandlwana reached the mission station, Lieutenants Chard and Bromhead decided to strike the camp and make a dash for the village of Helpmakaar where there were more British troops. Seeing some wagons being loaded, Dalton stepped in and made it clear that if the garrison tried to run they would be quickly caught and butchered in the open by the fast-moving Zulus. This statement of fact seemed to have the desired effect and Chard quickly countermanded his earlier orders and instead focused on strengthening the post’s defences.

So, who was this man? Why would Imperial officers listen to a lowly, locally recruited Acting Assistant Commissary?
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>>53559590
It's not your fault that you don't know much about history. No wait. It is but it is also a deliberate policy in your education system very similar to modern Russia.
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>>53559590
Yeah...the surgeon who won a VC was also Irish as was the commissary who won a VC. Just stop
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>>53559590
https://redcoathistory.com/2021/01/08/the-heroes-of-rorkes-drift-james-langley-dalton-vc/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Henry_Reynolds

Private Michael Minehan, veteran of Rorke’s Drift VC
etc etc. If the english did not rewrite history in their favour they would not have any, same as the Russians.
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>>53559590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMpCdMwlNIg&t=2s
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>>53559672
>>53559722
>11 VC's awarded during the battle
>but actually these two which went to Irish matter the most and it was actually the guy from a transport unit who organized the defense!
This is why no one takes you plastic paddies seriously.
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>Of the 122 soldiers of the 24th Regiment present at the Battle of Rorke's Drift, 49 are known to have been of English nationality, 32 were Welsh, 16 were Irish, one was a Scot, and three were born overseas. The nationalities of the remaining 21 are unknown.
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>>53559813
What a shill bitter little people the English are.
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>>53557553
>While defeating Italian Navy, German Navy, kicking Germany out of Africa all the way into Italy, fighting in the far east, Norway pretty much every theatre in the 2nd world war. But yeh keep up the cope.

If this is an Anglo thread, yeah point. If this is an England thread, you didn't do that without help.
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>>53559911
Not an argument, seethe
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>>53559932
>>53557553
They did literally none of that without help and got rekt by Germans pound for pound.
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>>53557707
Honestly frustrating, as a non-european. Thought the French would have at least turned out their old panhard stuff.
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>>53559813
Irish born members of Rorke’s Drift Garrison.

Lt-Colonel James Henry Reynolds VC Born 3 Feb 1844 Kingtown now Dun Laoghaire Dublin.
104 Henry Turner Private 1st Battalion Ballsbridge Dublin.
81 Henry Gallagher Sergeant 2nd Battalion Thurles Co.Tipperary
2067 Patrick Hayes Drummer 2nd Battalion Newmarket Co. Clare
2350 James Bush/Bushe Private 2nd Battalion St Johns Dublin
1323 Timothy Connors Private 2nd Battalion Killeaty Co. Cork
1697 James Dick Private 2nd Battalion Island Mage Co. Antrim
798 James Hagen/Hagan Private 2nd Battalion Nenagh Co. Tipperary
942 Thomas Michael Lynch Private 2nd Battalion Limerick
1112 or 1441 John Lyons Private 2nd Battalion O’Briens Bridge Co. Clare
1527 Michael Minehan Private 2nd Battalion Castlehaven Co. Cork
1342 Agustus Morris Private 2nd Battalion Dublin
1286 Thomas Robinson Private 2nd Battalion St Patricks Dublin
879 Michael Tobin Private 2nd Battalion Windgap Co. Kilkenny
Walter Alphonsus Dunne. Assistant Commissary. Born in Co.Cork.
Gunner John Cantwell Royal Artillery.Born St. James's Dublin. Won DCM at Rorke's Drift. Formerly 9th Regiment of Foot.

1395 John Williams VC. Real name John Fielding.Both parents were born in Ireland and fled to Wales to escape poverty.
Major Gonville Bromhead VC. B company 2/24th Regiment. Mother Judith born in County Sligo.

Members of Rorke’s Drift Garrison who enlisted in Ireland

1713 Patrick Galgey Drummer 2nd Battalion . Enlisted Cork 1865
1769 Garret Hayden Private 2nd Battalion . Enlisted Dublin 1865
1731 John Manley Private 2nd Battalion . Enlisted Cork 1865
1386 Michael Kiley Private 2nd Battalion Enlisted Ireland
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>>53559813

Members of Rorke’s Drift Garrison with Irish names and possible Irish Connections.

641 Michael Tobin Private 2nd Battalion
1371 Thomas Morrison Private 2nd Battalion
525 Frederick Morris Private 2nd Battalion
968 Thomas Moffatt Private 2nd Battalion
568 Patrick Desmond Private 1st Battalion
1861 William Horrigan Private 1st Battalion
1184 Thomas Buckley Private 2nd Battalion
2310 Anthony Connors Private 2nd Battalion
969 John Fagan Private 2nd Battaloin
John Murphy Private 2nd Battalion
Michael McMahon Second Corporal Army Hospital Corps. Won the DCM which was later withdrawn.
Louis A. Byrne Acting Commissariat Officer
568 Patrick Desmond. Wounded while defending hospital.
2381 Drummer James Keefe. Born in London. Son William George, served with the 2 nd Battalion SWB and was killed at Gallipolli in 1915.
Drummer John Meehan.
1381 Pte Thomas Barry.
1220 Pte Thomas Burke.
1396 Thomas Collins.
906 Pte John Connolly.
1357 Pte Michael Deane.
971 Pte Thomas Driscoll.
963 Pte Michael Kiley.
662 Pte John Murphy.
1651 or 1051 Pte John Scanlon. killed in action.


Irishmen killed in action at Rorke’s Drift : John Fagan , Patrick Hayden , William Horrigan and Louis Byrne

1112 Corporal John Lyons. Born in Ireland shot in spine bullet later removed.

Natal Native Contingent.

Corporal M. Dougherty.

Commissairat Department.

James Langley Dalton VC attested in Waterford.
Walter Alphonsus Dunne. Assistant Commissary. Born in Co.Cork.
Louis Byrne Acting(Volunteer) Storeman

Royal Artillery.
Gunner John Cantwell . Born St. James's Dublin. Won DCM at Rorke's Drift. Formerly 9th regiment of Foot.
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>>53559942
The English version of history lacks glory because a lie is never worth much when it comes to glory. Protestant extremists ruined England really.
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>>53559911
>he says, posting about how an irish transport officer was actually the one who won a battle 160 years ago in a thread about the Warrior IFV.

>>53559971
>>53559992
Dont care, didnt read.
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>>53560013
and you are? Either American or some seething Northern Irish. Actual Irish could give a fuck about any of this nonsense.
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>>53559942
If you are having a touch time with Rourke's drift, for fuck sake down look at waterloo or the Somme or Gallipoli or the Peninsular campaign, or the conquest of India whatever you do. Your brain will melt.
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>>53560025
>>53560034
I'm a military historian, amongst other things. I used teach officers how to kill people.
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>>53560065
Yeah, I work for Nintendo.
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>>53560076
I find it hard to believe you have a job at all, sorry.
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LMAO at the vatnik in this thread seething about bongs.
Sorry faggot, you will never win on /k/ because /k/ respects two things :
1. Skill at arms and victory in warfare
2. Bringing the bantz
Two things the bongs excel in.
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>>53559932
>kicking Germany out of Africa all the way into Italy
It was the Poles that took Monte Cassino and Patton that Rommel was scared off. Montgomery was such a disaster I sometimes wonder if he was a German agent.
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>>53560065
I studied History at university and went through officer training. You don't sound like any lecturer I've ever encountered, so I doubt your claim.
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>>53557830
The Vatniks would've been COMPLETELY fucked if we'd surrendered in 1940.

>No threat to Norway & France
>No North African conflict
>More divisions and supplies sent to the East
>Access to ME oil and rubber from SEA probably part of the surrender agreement
>No Lend-Lease via Murmansk or Iran
>No Crete invasion, so paratroop corps intact
>Nowhere for the USA to build supply bases for invading Europe

Barbarossa came pretty close to BTFO the USSR entirely. The British Empire remaining in the running bought time for the USA to join in (I will admit the Yanks saved both our and the Vatnk's arses) & the USSR to build up for the big offensives that characterised the Eastern front after Kursk.
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>>53560219
You certainly don't seem to have any historians perspective if you did not know that 40% of the troops at waterloo were Irish, Wellingtons relationship with them and his quest for Catholic Emancipation or where the forces that captured the Zulu capital or defeated the Sikhs were from. Then again, half of the students I got were always borderline retarded.
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>>53560219
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLudGZv7DPw
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>>53558789
>*screams in fear in Argentinian*
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>>53560285
I'm not commenting on your claimed fact, because I simply don't care enough to check them. I'm just saying you don't sound like any lecturer I've ever encountered, nor read like any text I've ever read.
Historical training teaches an almost instinctive tendency towards measuring, qualification and evaluation in the style of the writer, it puts a stamp not just on how people write but on how they think, and it's pretty much unmistakeable when you've read enough serious historians.
You read like someone who's read some pop-history books and is regurgitating it on the screen in front of you without qualification.
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>>53560350
The movie was a weak adaption of the books and fails to get across how craven and misanthropic Flashman was.
Nevertheless, you don't sound like a historian.
Oddly enough, GMF was a fairly accomplished amateur historian and had a fairly nuanced take on the British Empire.
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>>53559260

>Haven't seen him in a few weeks, has he finally killed himself?

I can see how Russia getting clowned on in such a massive way might have broken his fragile sanity

>If you randomly try to shit on any country again and again

if I've said anything defamatory about serbians (because defamation has to be untrue) then may god strike me down.
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>>53560395
>I'm not commenting on your claimed fact, because I simply don't care enough to check them
I did not read further than that. Obviously you are a pea brain.
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>>53560446
>Oddly enough, GMF was a fairly accomplished amateur historian and had a fairly nuanced take on the British Empire.
This will upset you even more then, Fraser researched each novel at Trinity College Dublin
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>>53560446
>Nevertheless, you don't sound like a historian.
I don't tend to make dedications in what I do manage to publish to "that bong idiot on 4chan"
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>>53552584
>what the fuck were the bongs thinking?
Quite literally "stuff some ruffian from Liverpool in it they are cheaper than hydraulics".
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>>53560489
>This will upset you even more then
I'm puzzled as to how your takeaway from the post was "he's upset".
Tbh, the Flashman reference was appreciated, his books inspired me to do history.
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>Russia finds out the UK is sending Ukraine Brimstones
>Russia finds out what Brimstones will do to their precious convoys
>Russia finds liquid shit spilling out of it's underwear
>Suddenly multiple anti-UK equipment threads pop up outside of UK hours on /k/

Real organic, vatniks. Nice try. Too bad it won't stop us from blowing up more of your tanks LMAO.

The russpig fears the NLAW.
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>>53560169
Actually /k/ mostly just respects gun ownership and gun collections.
That's kinda the reason why bongs have been bullied for years.
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>>53560448
>I can see how Russia getting clowned on in such a massive way might have broken his fragile sanity
One can only hope.
>if I've said anything defamatory about serbians (because defamation has to be untrue) then may god strike me down.
I was talking about Germans, actually. Brits on /k/ have that weird thing going on where ze German is behind every anti-british post and every Germany-related thread gets brits randomly bringing up Britain.
I wish I were joking but shit like this >>53543836 somehow became the norm.
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>>53562226
It's not really weird, it's just the rivalrvy discussed before in this thread. The reason why it seems weird is that it's so one-sided, but if they keep it up that'll probably change.
Which might actually be fun to watch so I don't mind.



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