Previous >>53495752Scan the QR code on the previous cover editionResource on what these spec terminology meanhttps://www.nite-walker.com/post/2019/11/21/specs-for-dummies-101https://apollogearco.com/blogs/news/night-vision-specs-explainedhttps://gloomgroup.com/blogs/night-vision-info/night-vision-specifications-understanding-what-they-meanYou shouldn't be chasing for spec values but they do exist and if you wanted to know what "better spec" values are there's a way to know which unit is desirable over another.Most retailers won't post this info as they build NVDs to order, first come first serve, and depending on their grading scale of high, mid, low tier it may differ from retailers. If a retailer offer a “ready to ship” fully built units they will list the spec values. Hand select is an option from retailers that will try to match to your spec requirements.Some reputable retailers:https://www.jrhenterprises.com/https://nvisionoptics.com/https://www.koshersurplus.com/https://steeleindustries.com/SNR: signal to noise ratio, the amount of signal the tube can make compared to the noiseEBI: equivalent background information, how much false image appears in the screen through which the actual image has to show, sort of a noise floor of sortsHalo: How big the circle of bloom is around lightsPhotocathode Sensitivity: How sensitive the photocathode isLP Resolution: Line pair res of the center of the image as measure against a standardized chartIf one spec is shit it negates the rest, if you have a halo of 2.0 it kinda fucks on an EBI of 0.20 if you want to do any kind of shooting and it's all a balance gameThe numbers to meet or beat areEBI under 1, preferably under 0.6 being great, 0.1 is gucciHalo under 1, anything under 0.7 is awesomeSNR, over 25 anything over 30 is gucciPhotocathode, 1900+ is pretty great, 2500+ is stellarResolution of 64+ is good, 72+ is gucci
>>53538063HEY YOU! Read the pastebin!https://pastebin.com/EXDAKQNnThermal buyers guide:>picrel
Nerfanon here. I took my DP09 out with my USB adapter and an extension cable so I could pan it around while keeping my phone stationary. HOLY SHIT. I could see larger buildings by their heat at over 800 yards, moving people stood out pretty well at around 200 yards, and I could see the opposite shore of a body of water at slightly over 1 mile with at least a little detail. The bigger image on the screen really helped to pick stuff out, despite no visible zoom options.Still haven't figured out how to work the DP09's built-in digital zoom in the Xtherm app, and the manual isn't terribly helpful. Is zoom even possible in that app?
>>53538154That's awesome and disappointing at the same time. WTF didn't they put a better EVF in the thing?
>>53537882GOYOJO and Teslong (no apparent relation to Teslord) are the ones I've seen so far. These all appear to be HIKMICRO clones, HIKMICRO being AGM's low-end mono OEM. The new clones appear externally and even functionally identical to the HIKMICROs, with a better 384x288 sensor at a much lower price. Personally, I have serious doubts as to their quality control, EVF, and battery charge cycle longevity. No reviews on Amazon yet, plenty of company videos of dubious authenticity; hopefully someone steps up and tries one out in the wild.>>53538196I could see all those details on the little EVF, but with a fair amount of eyestrain; the much larger phone screen image (bigger than the actual thermal itself) really made them stand out and was vastly easier on the eyes. That said, the EVF is actually quite good for its size; the DP09 is literally the size of a .25 ACP pistol, the pocket autos that literally disappear in your palm. A better/bigger EVF would've made the device itself larger, which Infiray was trying to avoid.
>>53538154>I could see larger buildings by their heat at over 800 yardsI remember being astounded that I could see the Moon under thermal.
>>53538327I'm actually a little bit worried about the sensor to aim it skywards, even at night. There's dire warnings about looking towards/near the sun in the manual, and moonlight is reflected sunlight after all. Maybe I'm just being paranoid about my $500 investment, but I've learned a couple expensive lessons with my Night Owl and don't want to risk it with something even more expensive.
>>53538063Some suggestions on devices/accessories that can help you take in focus pictures or videos through your NODs.https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013D2ULO6/https://unobtainiumgear.com/products/anvrs-mk3https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/gadget/pvs-14-gopro-beamsplitter-mounthttps://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VCQNDCLhttps://brownbearindustries.com/products/ols/products/nvg-recorder-nvgr-nvg-rcr-nvg1https://www.becauseoperator.com/productshttps://soldiersystems.net/2016/09/26/night-combat-solutions-fprs-pvs-14-recorder/https://www.brainexplodermerch.com/product-page/bem-nvg-recording-system
>>53538368The moon is just a sunlit object. If it's safe to point a sensor at a concrete driveway in the middle of the day, then it's safe to point it at the moon.
>>53538430Ok, good to know. Still, I'd like to know if anyone has enough experience with Xtherm to figure out if it's possible to zoom the DP09 while it's attached. Finger zooming on the screen like with a normal Android app seemingly does nothing.Also, here's the usual Nerfanon info image for all your sub-$200 NV needs.
>>53538518Think about it this way - staring at the Sun will blind you, but staring at the Moon will not. It is somewhat similar. Do not stare at anything that would blind an unaided eye and you will probably be OK.
I can’t even afford the carrots.
>>53538964See >>53538518. Even the poorest of the EBT ghetto poor can afford a Nerf Modulus, some AAs, rubber bands, and a random TV remote. Hell, most of the non-Nerf stuff can be found for free depending on where you live.
>>53539062Yeah, don't let glowniggers discourage you from having a good time. Just run them the fuck over.
>>53538063if you aren't ready to pay minimum of 1500$ for night vision. Don't bother. The cheap ones are absolute shit
Help me friends. Am I better off with a high spec XLSH tube or a lower VH tube? I have this on order with JRH but there is a 6+ week lead time and I'm sure I can cancel if needed.https://www.jrhenterprises.com/PVS14-White-Phosphor-3rd-gen-WP3-High-grade-Night-vision-WP3Highgrade.htmSteele has some ready to ship units that look to be of decent spec ready to go. https://steeleindustries.com/product/si-pvs-14-elbit-wp/Is it better to wait and get a 1900 FOM VH grade tube or just go ahead and buy one of the Steele XLSH tubes that have nice specs like 5658095?
>>53540630This, lessons learned the hard way.
>>53540642FOM is LP Res x SNR, it's not the end all be all spec to worry about, it can easily be used against you because the higher LP Res value can throw FOM spec way higher with a lower SNR. Whereas a higher SNR (30++) is preferred and give you actual performance difference you can perceive but does not inflate the FOM total calculation much compared to LP Res.IMO when it comes to a monocular that you are going to be helmet mounting, you'll probably won't notice the performance difference between the two.I think you should get the lower priced unit that is ready to ship and put that savings into other accessories you need, if you also need to setup your helmet that is.
>>53541376I'm currently looking at 5658095 and it has a zone 2 blem. Everything else seems to have wonky numbers but then again I'm all new to this. Do you see any other units here worth buying?https://steeleindustries.com/product/si-pvs-14-elbit-wp/
>>53541396Zone 2 and 3 blem(s) are going to be easier to deal with in real life especially so with physical activity use i.e. movement, shooting, scanning etc. Unless it's a very large size blemish, it'll blend in with the shadows.You'll have to give me a few minutes to compare each unit to see what is available in-stock and which one looks better with specs and especially screen quality.
>>53541501Thank you anon
>>53541501I ended up buying it. It just made more sense than waiting 6 weeks for something.
>>53541561>>535417235658095, you selected a very good unit out of all the ones they had available I would have chosen that also. There were some with no blems that I could percieve in the pictures shown but they had lower specs espically with SNR.The 5658095 unit has a blem in zone 2 but very close to zone 3. I would not have any issues with that being used while helmet mounted and doing physical activies like shooting and moving around i.e. hiking.Very nice specs, the SNR is on the lower end of 30 SNR but its very good still.
>>53541757Thanks for the help anon, hopefully I get to put it to good use soon. I bought a rhino II mount and a dovetail conversion. Thinking about getting the mod armory j arm for it
Looks like X-vision optics is planning to import the chink thermal holo from infiray that some euro anon posted a few threads back rebranded and with a doubled price tag.
>>53541810Yeah, the Rhino II is a good mount to start off with, its the tired and true system. The dovetail conversion is a nice system, dovetail is way stablier than the bayonet connection.The mod armory j-arm is what I use, I like it.But other anons recomend the wilcox j-arm as it has a locks into place with a detent locking mechanism instead of the mod armory's physical compression of a screw. They are both around at the same price, so maybe take a look into that if you worry about the mod armory j-arm losing tension overtime because it's not as secure as a detent system.
>>53541875Can you get the mod armory j arm really close to your eyes? It doesn't have that rearward sweep the wilcox and milspec arm has.
>>53541859>doubled price tagYeah...you'll see that a lot with the imported iray stuff into the US.
>>53541887For me to get the PVS-14 closer to my eye I use the lowering arm mount's (Rhino 2, in your case) forward and aft (can't recall what this is called) mechnism, I circled it in this picture.
>>53541964Correct but does the straight arm hamper your ability to get it as close as you would like?
Is the InfiRay ML-19 good? I found one for 2200 euros.
>>53541984Nah, I didn't have any issue with it getting close enough to my eye, there is enough movement with the AKA2 mount that I'm using that I could have it pressed up to my eye socket but that is uncomfortable to me. But everyone's physiology is different so ymmv etc.
>>53542000Looks like its in the same bracket as the FLIR Breach and FLIR stopped that production of that model iirc.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egDjvSY7bvcIt looks like a good unit to get as a handheld unit or helmet mounted system.
>best rig for budget Id like to grab the best set of binos possible for my budget of $8500. I'm thinking Steele Industries DTNVS thin film WP.what do you think?is there a better unit/distributor to work with in that $ range?JRH I don't believe offer the DYNVS.Also should I purchase from OpticsPlanet.com if they have availability or does placing an order with Steele somehow get better tubes?thanks!
>>53541810Nothing compares to the Wilcox J-arm. It is worth the extra money.
>>53541887>that rearward sweep the wilcox and milspec arm hasOnly the switched Wilcox has that. The unswitched one does not. That having been said, I have had zero issues with fore/aft adjustment ICW the RHNO II.
>>53540630As working tools, I agree. As training tools, I disagree. If one is just looking to have a good time then they can do so at a much lower budget than someone wanting to be competitive.
>>53540630>>53540650I'm gonna keep batching at you guys until you finish your sentences properly.>The cheap ones are absolute shit >for serious tactical purposesThere, fixed it for you.
>>53542947I think thats a fine option, steele industires is a fine retailer to deal with. You can request hand select, I think you can either contact them via phone call, email or chat to get that done or you put that in the notes when you place the order, either way I would contact them first to make sure what is the proper way to request hand select if there are specs and no blem request you have etc etc.You only want to go with optics planet if you had a killer deal and gift card or store credit to save you more money, they are a big box retailer and will not have any sort of hand select option they will just send you whatever they have in stock and or send the order directly to the manufacture/distributor and they will send w/e they have in stock.Apollogearco has a promo code: "APOLLOMILSPEC" going on right now but they only have DTNVS with L3 tubes so they start off more than your budget.Memorial is coming up soon, so maybe these retailers will have a sale that weekend so maybe wait for that unless you need it asap.
>>53543043>>53543078I don't want that switch it looks like it can cause issues. Should I get the one with the rearward sweep and just cut that cable off?
>>53543184ICW which lowering arm? The RHNO II? If so, I have had zero issues with the regular J-Arm. If you really think that you need the sweep, then get the switched model and cut the cord.
>>53540630I got my gen 3 Nyx-14 during the FLIR selloff for less than $1,200. AMA. /s
>>53544608Usually, angsty boomers like this are talking about regular deals that can be had with reasonable effort with reasonable waiting. I have had better deals than yours but they involved a lot of driving or massive shopping effort.
I saw a fox and it was cute.It was about 50-60ft away. I really need to bring this thing out on a night walk.
A guy from US has sent me a PVS-14 and some ballistic plates. I'm based in EU. I just realized that there might be issues with ITAR. Am I fucked? Will ITAR come after me or him if they find out? Has someone dealt with it in past?
>>53547028They would primarily trouble himThey might trouble your local Law Enforcement but its probably not against your law unless you live in western europe.
>>53547028They could contact your government. If your government has no issue then I see no problem for you. He could get boned. This was a definite ITAR violation if there was no prior arrangement with The State Department. If it is regarding items filtering to Ukraine then a lot of bureaucrats might look the other way.
Just thinking about lights. I see three major contributing factors regarding performance - frequency center point and broadness of center point, beam pattern and angle, and overall power of output. Am I missing anything fundamental here, or are these all of the major factors driving the performance of a light for i2?
>>53545706You the Taipan guy? Also, thermals at night are amazing. It's super rad.
>>53538063>We made the coverHell yeah!What's up homies Chinkshit+ anon here. I've been working on something special for y'all, but it's gonna be a little while before I can get it actually put together and tested. Here's a sneak peak. For the regulars among you: who remembers what wattage those diodes I got were?
impulse bought a used 5x night owl for $60
>>53545706I saw a deer with fawn at 200 yards the other day. Was cool because it was light enough to see the deer but I doubt you'd be able to see the fawn hiding in the underbrush even with i2.I need to see if I can improve the TM384's image captures. When I look at them later it's always garbage compared to what I saw.
>>53547868The rubber is likely sticky because it is breaking down and exuding butylene. If you keep it in a closed container, you will likely also detect a smell associated with the butylene.
>>53547894Unfortunately, in the desert, I have a lot of stray signatures to sort from rocks that retain daytime heat. It really complicates things. I wonder how good the gear was when they were hunting for Danny Ray Horning with thermal gear. He beat them all. He never got caught until he returned to an urban area.
>>53547868Try some diluted dish detergent on ithttps://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/59128/cleaning-butyl-rubber#69497
>>53547962I live on central coast CA, half the geology is sedimentary outcrops full of holes and ravines that look like this on thermal, night and day
>>53548091Yeah. Precisely the same problem. Outdoor Alert just makes it worse. You take what you get.
>>53547962I drove by a cemetery last night and it was all lit up by the headstones. They sit uncovered in the sun all day and retain heat like mofos.
>>53548205This is why I disagree with boomers that say that budget gear is worthless. There is a lot to learn and the budget gear is good enough to get one on the learning curve. Better is still better, but good enough gets you moving.
>>53547115>>53547145>If it is regarding items filtering to Ukraine then a lot of bureaucrats might look the other way.Thanks. It's indeed the purpose, but it's arriving to me first, and I'm taking it to Ukraine next.
>>53548205I wondered for a couple days about this round object 220y away that would stay warm all night long. Is it some kind of den entrance kept warm by an animal? Some old pipe?Nah it's just a chunk of broken concrete that never gets cold.
>>53547267>frequency center pointI would also list the width of the frequency band, but that's just me being nitpicky.Although maybe that's what you meant by>broadness of centerpointAlso I would add: >focusability (minor)and>variable power levelsThat's the stuff that matters to me.
>>53547028Depends on how much your country's government has a hard on for fucking you. My hunch is he would probably get more heat for it than you would, but I also don't know anything about where you live or your local laws. For example receipt of stolen goods is a crime here in the US, but it is rarely prosecuted and usually not prosecuted with prejudice.
>>53548282Absolutely. It's pretty poor compared to high-end stuff, but for casual use, training, and experimenting, it can't be beat. Also, it's FAR cheaper to learn hard, gear-damaging lessons on inexpensive gear than a gucci setup. Trust me, it's a painful feeling even when the device is cheap.>>53548347Looks about right, there's a lot of outdoor stuff that absorbs so much solar heat that it never cools compared to the ground, especially if it's exposed to the sun all day. I'm going to see if I can't get an image or two later this weekend that won't immediately dox me, shouldn't be too hard. That said, I did see heat coming off of rabbit warren burrows last week. Fuckers glowed compared to the rest of the ground, and I was momentarily confused until I realized I'd seen rabbits around there in daytime for the last few years.
>>53548607>Trust meI don't need to. I am the dude that smoked the nearly new PVS-4.
>>53548607>there's a lot of outdoor stuff that absorbs so much solar heat that it never coolsI spotted a bunch of pumps and transformers that support ranching in my area. If I got stuck out there in the winter, They could come in handy as a passive heat source.
>>53548774Ouch. I remember you talking about that. At least my Night Owl still mostly works.>>53548821Electrical equipment is super hot on thermal whenever it's on, but I'm unsure if it's actually hot enough to keep you warm. Maybe I'll try to get a temp readout on them tonight, the Xtherm app has a setting for that.
>>53548607>Fuckers glowed compared to the rest of the ground, and I was momentarily confused until I realized I'd seen rabbits around there in daytime for the last few years.hmm, I'll have to test if this works on fresh gopher burrows
>>53541396>>53541723Good call. Unless I get the pick of the litter, I almost always end up selecting a tube with one or more spots because of how often people will pass on phenomenal tubes due to some minor cosmetic issues. Even a zone 2 spot is barely noticeable in actual uses, as long as it isn't right where the horizon will be(since a spot too close to the horizon can look like a moving object while panning).
>>53549085They should glow. Although I'm not sure if it was because there were animals inside, or if the deeper ground the burrow holes exposed retained more heat.
>>53541887why would you run your tube(s) very close to your eyes? There's only downsides to doing that.>>53542947good call, those tubes are in a really good spot on the cost-benefit curve. >>53547115>that filenamelmao. I just watched a video where a dude was trying to "refute" the idea of NIR compliance being important, his argument was that your mags, cords, and other hard gear will shine anyways so it's useless.
>>53549434>mags, cords, and other hard gearSo, all the stuff that is tucked away out of sight. Good to know. Who is this ''all-or-nothing'' boomer?
>>53548205>I drove by a cemetery last night and it was all lit up by the headstones. They sit uncovered in the sun all day and retain heat like mofos.Ghosts. Those are ghosts anon.
>>53547827Weren't they 15 mw for both the IR and Green laser diodes you got? But they were too large at 12mm (vs like 6mm for the Sotac origionals).I noticed the Sumo Gear perst is listed at about 15 - 20 mw on their version of the Perst. Not sure if accurate. Also costs more at almost $200. Might be interesting. https://www.somogear.com/product/somogear-perst-4-airsoft-aiming-laser-ir-designator/I have a Sotac perst4 coming from China thanks to this thread. I'm good with soldering and intend to touch it up and pot it, but might want to even just chuck the two emitters and put on a really strong IR one only. I'll play with it until it breaks then go from there.
>>53549434>his argument was that your mags, cords, and other hard gear will shine anyways so it's useless.All or nothing thinking. In real life detection is a probability and you shift the odds in your favor by minimizing every reflection you can.
>>53550116I think not, unless they're literal Pac-Man ghosts. Fuckers are all stationary oval-topped rectangles.
>>53550312>he doesn't know about the pac man ghostsHow do you expect to make it?
>>53550337My unlimited supply of power pellets. You mean you don't have one yet?
>>53550415>when you realize the one who is ngmi >is youFML
Have fun with the lunar eclipse tonight, stargazers
>>53550844Styling. I was afraid that there would be too much light and the hobos would see me.
>>53547868he came on it
https://steeleindustries.com/product/si-pvs-14-elbit-wp/5545761 looks pretty good for that price, thoughts?
>>53550146Impressive memory anon. >15mWClose, they're 30mW each. With my new patent pending Chinkshit+ housing both IR and vis Laser beams will emit from the same point. You can also activate both beams simultaneously for a ~55mW dual wavelength beam. Not super useful but just fun to do. This is all theoretical, though. We'll have to wait and see if my harebrained idea will work. Stay tuned
>>53550146Oh an yeah I am also intrigued by the Somogear. I just haven't tried one of yet because an anon tried 3 of their units and all had problems. I somehow rolled double sixes with mlthe Sotac.
>>53551149The cluster of blems could be out of the way and unnoticeable where it's not in your horizon's FOV but man that's a lot of blems though. Specs are good though.Maybe ask them how are they taking the pictures for the screen quality, like is that with the unit in the position where it's over the left eye on a standard usgi j-arm.
>>53550844Isn't that Sunday night?
>>535511495648089 looks like a good option too, slightly less blems.On another note, who's using chinesium g24 mounts? If so which is the best of the clones? I see a few different ones on amazon.
>>53551255I've also been considering just DIY'ing one as well. I've been looking at different chink laser pointers for guns that have the x and y axis screws to adjust them, the kind that have a flashlight like body with push button cap at end. I can weld aluminum, so I could take two, weld them side by side, slap a stronger emitter inside (if you can), and just chop one of the battery sections off (dead weight and space) and just implement a simple switch between powering one or the other, and modifying the cap end to take a common chink Surefire cap (button and plug for switch). Seems very doable. I am getting the EU version of the LUNA ELIR (shipped to the US) that is 100 mw of IR light, rather than 70 (like ELIR 3). I could incorporate that as well. I do wonder about a white light laser, like the luna elir. I see nothing on the market like that. I like the Lunas dimming switch, as you can blind youself so easliy. I wonder if one could take a chink laser with x-y adjustments, rig a dimmer cap on the back, and change it to a "white" laser light diode, with an adjustment at the front to widen or tighten the beam, then adjust it to pair with the green laser.
>>53551941You want the Sotac branded one. O got mine off of Aliexpress for like $150 or so, I didn't remember exactly. It's unironically g2g. I disassembled it completely and reassembled with blue loctite, but I don't even think that was necessary.
>>53552095Is the EU version different, or does it just not have the filter/have a different filter than the US model (that I imagine most people remove anyway)?
>>53552095That's an interesting concept, anon. You should go for it. I learned more from tearing that Sotac apart than undergrad circuits classes. I always encourage people to tear shit open. Incorporating the ubiquitous Surefire cap clones is a good idea. I might do that for my homebrew device. I was actually puzzling about what to do for my battery cap. Truthfully, I'm not sure what swapping diodes for white light with vis. Laser will do for you. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you want, idk
https://www.optics-trade.eu/us/dipol-l2-ir-illuminator.htmlHere is where I bought the more powerful EU market version of the Luna ELIR 3, 100 mw instead of 70. The listing says its LED, but its actually an IR laser illumination. It arrived to the US in just 3 days, but I wont have it in hand for a while as I am away. Cant wait to see how it works with my PVS14. I'll try to pair it with the Sotac Perst-4 when it arrives (taking forever).Its even cheaper than a Luna ELIR but it does seem to need the threaded adapter and a surefire type cap to be more practical.
>>53552262100mw instead of the ELIR's 70mw. Listing says its in the 900 range instead of the high 700 or 800s range for the wavelength but that could be a listing error (like how it says it an led).Back cap doen't look like it has a push button (might have to use dial every time) but it will probably take the Luna Elir thread to sure fire cap adapter.
>>53552387>~940nm vs ~785nmThat should make it roughly comparable from the Gen 3 user perspective, just with a more discreet beam against Gen 1 and Gen 2 interlopers. It seems most digital NV is fairly sensitive in that low band as well.
>>53552462It hopefully wont have as much of a red glow (or even orange like) as a Luna ELIR 3, (scares coyotes, etc they say). Assuming the listing isn't inaccurate and its still in that odd low range. I heard Dipol makes the Luna's. We'll see when I get it in hand.
>>53552269Let me be more clear. I basically want a visible LEP flashlight, that is just like the Luna ELIR. I see there are a number of laser flashlights out there but they are all huge, none seem to have a dimmer switch (just a few brightness modes), none seem to have x-y axis adjustments, though some do have the flood to point adjustment at the front or back. I want a visible laser light to pair with a green laser, the way you do with IR lights and IR lasers. It would also present the option of lighting up objects from 1000 meters away, and non-lethal deterrence (laser light to the eyes). I wonder if I can take a chink laser and put one of those LEP diodes in it to do that. I should join one of those flashlight boomer message boards and float they idea. They would know more than me.I don't want to tear apart the Dipol, but I doubt I can find any diagrams for it. Seems like it might be doable. Just spitballing the idea. The project of welding together chink IR and Green lasers is much more readily viable.
Bretty gud for a cheap gen 1
>>53547028I received 3 itar products from the US over the years shipped from private individuals and as of now we both never heard anything from anyone. I live in western eu
>>53553155Happy you are pleased, anon. That's the kind of customer service we offer here at /nvg/. We try out the lemons so you don't have to!
Any thermal cameras/monoculars/binoculars that are good for around ~1000 USD? How long until there are devices as good as the XP-50 at that price?
>>53553375Sadly now I'm hooked which means my wallet will be hurting soon when I decide to finally get a PVS 14. I'm leaning toward a WP thin filmed
>>53553398You are maybe 2 generations/~5yr away from that pricepoint being realistic
>>53553537that's reasonable so definitely worth the wait then thanks
>>5355363110 years ago you had 320ish resolution larger units at that 10-12k pricepoint5 years ago you had 640ish resolution units at that 10-12k pricepoint3 years ago you had 320ish resolution units at that like 4-5k pricepointToday you have 320ish resolution units at like a 2-3k pricepoint and 640ish resolution units at 4-5k pricepoint.So extrapolate that as needed
>>53553398Depends on your definition of good. AGM, FLIR, Infiray, and GOJOYO all have consumer thermal monos and low-end riflescopes in that range, but they all top out at about 384x288 resolution, with less than optimal framerate for tactical use. You definitely aren't getting FLIR Breach capability in that price range, or anything tactical. Sub-$1k thermals are useful for hunting, training, and scouting though. They're super fun for just running around and getting temp readings on stuff.
>>53553488NV is bad for your wallet, but good for your soul. Easy trade if you ask me.
>>53553744Certainly wouldn't mind something with at least ~300 resolution for closer to $500. I remember seeing Leopold Tracker 2 HDs (320 resolution @25Hz) for that on ebay but I was an even more broke high schooler when that was available. Anything similar to it for that price?>>53553667"Pulsar Helion 2 XP50" (640 rez @50Hz I believe) is what I would call good (videos on youtube looked superb) and then I would say 300ish resolution is acceptable for now
>>53554180Yeah if you are cool with 300 resolution check out the hogster stimulus for a scope or the lower end AGM spotters for spotting units
>>53554180Ill report in when my AGM TS35-640 comes in tomorrow.Also buy my Taipan TM10-256. $400 dollarydoos
>>53554180>>53554242Infiray also has the 256x192 DP09 for about $470 before tax/shipping. I've got that one, it lacks some of the AGM/HIKMICRO features like wireless or built-in recording, but is much smaller/lighter, has user-replaceable batteries, and is otherwise comparable in performance to the Taipan TM10-256 at a lower MSRP. One of the main reasons I got the DP09 was complaints about battery cycle life on the fixed-cell thermals, which require a teardown and technician-level replacement of the internal battery once it hits max charge cycles. By contrast, the DP09 uses easily-replaced CR123/16340 cells like a champ, and will even run on USB power without a battery in it.You make some tradeoffs for the features you want in the low-end thermal market.>>53554385That's not a bad price for a TM10-256, long as it's only gently used, and not beat to shit or maxed out on its battery charge cycles.
>>53554544I just got it a couple weeks ago and charged it fully twice.Comes with original packaging snd accessories.
>>53554585It's probably 100% good then. I honestly don't know how much hard use the complainers online are putting on their internal-power monos, but it's likely far more than the casual user does. That thing probably has a few years of life left on the battery, long as you don't run it down/recharge it daily. I just wanted something I didn't need to worry about in 2-3 years, which is when most of the battery-related warranties run out.
>>53554656>which is when most of the battery-related warranties run out.Yeah thats part of the reason im parting with it. TS35 runs on cr123 so it should have a much longer lifespan along with the ability to be used as a scope.
>>53553244Yeah i dont think joe customs inspector knows the difference between export restricted gen3 and unrestricted sub 1700(?) Fom tubes, or even just other optical equipment that commonly crosses the border.
>>53555000>those double tripsGood choice. CR123s aren't as widespread or cheap as the AAA/AAs, but they can be found in basically any major store for reasonably affordable prices, good for an emergency when your battery somehow runs dry. Looks like the TS35 can use external power banks too, which is a big plus.>>53555220There's plenty of people doing federal time for shipping ITAR shit overseas without permission. It's mainly to places like Iran and China, but they do check. Best not to risk it.
>>53555359It's like every crime, for every person caught there's 10000 who went free. There are thousands of tons of contraband crossing our border every year, nods are no different.
There was no lunar eclipse that I noticed. The Moon was near full and high in the sky. It was way too bright. I still had better vision with than without so I used i2. I used a 7mm aperture to cut the photons a bit. Of course that gave better depth of field. It also affected the unity magnification. It was bumped up to at least 1.1 or 1.2X because of the aperture affecting focus. Not enough to cause any real problem, but it was a bad vibe seeing stuff up close getting askew with the unaided eye really badly. I pretty much stuck to the trails so boomerkun has no business being angry at me for overdoing it. Who knows? Maybe apertures make him angry.
>>53555686The eclipse is Sunday night, not tonight.
>>53555720Well, somebody said it was tonight. Either way, tonight was the night that I had. You take what you get. The hobos were all well behaved. I saw later that someone corrected him. I thought maybe there might be a partial for a couple of nights before the full eclipse. That appears to be not the case.
Gen 3 first low battery light after 10 months of use (CR123a). I wish digital devices ran that long. Old CR123a showed 2.85v on the multimeter (new show 3.25v). No gain/brightness variation between old/new at first low battery warning, if that's of interest to anyone.Fucking gorgeous night with the moon.
Should you use your glasses with nods or is it better to just set the diopter?
>>53559698Whatever is more comfortable for you. If you have some exotic prescription or just can't quite get the diopter where you need it it's fine to use glasses. I wouldn't unless I had to though
>Thermal Breach + Filmless WP PVS14 bridged togetheris this fucking retarded to do?the more I see thermal detail the more I am impressed, however monoculars don't seem ideal.Plus not having them collated is not ideal.Should I just stick to my plan to get thin film WP DTNVS'?
>>53561055>is doing dual band retardedNot at all, anon. In fact, it's catching on in a big way. We have several anons experimenting with that very thing. I have no firsthand experience with running both at the same time, at least head mounted. I do have an MNVD and a thermal weapon sight. There is an anon here who has a bridged NOX18 and a PVS14 using the Noisefighters bridge. There's also poorfag dualband, referenced a few threads ago who paired a thermal with a digital NV. It provides a tangible benefit and increase in capability, but there are some downsides. I hear from others that marrying the images in your head is incredibly difficult. But short of going the COTI/JerryC route, dual band bridged monocular is a legit option. It does come with come complexities though.
>>53561055lol I was just gonna ask a similar question. These guys make a bridge that lets you use a pvs14 and a taipan. I never planned on using my taipan helmet mounted but now I'm thinking about it. https://samfg.us/product-category/gear/nvgs/
>>53561055>>53561761You both need to lurk moar>poorfag dualbandit>>53531709>nox18 panobridge anon>>53408153
>tfw Iaccidentally delete several NV photos instead of moving them to a different folder like I intendedHow do I cope bros? I'm a retard and it hurts
>>53563107Wait for nightfall and take some more.
>>53563107Use Recuva, if it's a recent deletion chances are they aren't actually deleted off of the drive yet. Don't write anything onto the drive they were on Or go to the recycle bin and restore them.Don't feel too bad, I just fucked up an 80% AR-308 lower receiver real good. I mean I could probably use a cassette type trigger but that trigger pocket floor is fucked.
>>53561761Thanks, I wish I had just gone with this to begin with.>>53561055In my poorfag fuckery and limited time, thermal bridging makes digi low light workable in more situations. I can only imagine what it is like with real I2 and proper helmet mounted thermal. Maybe get the I2 and a modular bridge first? Find a deal on a unit that could be used as a weapon sight as well as a monocular?>>53561903Thanks for that bro, weather has been shit out here and work has been draining because of that shit. Gonna try and get some photos of the eclipse. Finally got my Taipan to connect to my phone.
Did I make a mistake by buying an XLSH tube? I'm reading that they might have issues that didn't make it to the spec sheet and now I'm kinda nervous
>>53563709nah it'll be fine. what are the posted specs?
>>53563746LP – 72SNR – 30.6EBI – 0.41HALO – 0.61FOM – 2203.2
>>53563778nice. you'll be fine. instead of worrying about grading scale stuff you should get your mounting equipment sorted out so you can use it when it arrives.
>>53563778Absolutely nothing complain about right there. Hell, many people would consider this gucci.
>>53559698The consensus seems to be that, if you have a minor correction, you should go without the corrective lenses and that, if you have a major correction, that you should wear your corrective lenses. The reasoning involves cogent input to the unaided eye with an MNVD and just overall being able to see things without the NODs when you flip them up. I think that you need to feel this out for yourself.
>>53556637>Gen 3 first low battery light after 10 months of use (CR123a). Hell yeah, me too anon. I continue to be impressed at the power efficiency of analog i2. It's on par with TV remotes for how long they last on one battery. >>53563656>Thanks for that broAnytime anon>work has been drainingI feel that>Finally got my Taipan to connect to my phoneSweet, can't wait for pics. I have heard from others that their thermal cameras don't encode captures at full resolution for some reason. I wonder if that's a setting that can be changed. If you are disappointed by your captures, that might be the reason.
>>53561055>Plus not having them collated is not idealLack of collimation is the least of your worries. Bridged i2 and thermal is a bitch. It is very unpleasant and difficult to manage the two dissimilar images. It will always be a chore to manage. That having been said, if you are willing to do the work, nothing beats it.
>>53564370That is really strange to me. With my Chinkshit digi and Sionyx, the image fuses really easily. Like cut out the sections one spectrum is seeing poorly compared to the other. And replace the cut sections with the higher visibility spectrum. It's also really easy for me to change focus from one image to the other.Seems that some people can get COTI lite results from it with less effort. For others, an actual fused image would be the way to go.>>53564323Yeah, only have some shit photos from the Taipan directly. Seems that using the phone app to take the footage is the way to go.>Now for the upgraded cranium case. Need a legit climbing helmet, if it has rails and comes in a bright orange or safety green even better.
>>53564161The only real complaint I have besides possible XLSH issues is the blem. It shouldn't be really annoying or anything right?
>>53564370>>53563656>>53561903>>53561761>>53561683thanks dudes, appreciate the intel.what about the iRay JerryC attachment if I want to scratch the thermal itch?Ideally im looking for a fixed attachment rig opposed to keeping a separate thermal unit around the neck. are dudes liking the Jerrys??
>>53565173Remember, if you want to use the Jerry-C without the NVD (like in broad daylight) you'll need an eyepiece adapter. They run about $150-200.
>>53561761I ended up buying the single taipan mount. What's nice about their bridge is that you can take it apart and reconfigure it as you please so I can get a pvs14 mount if I end up wanting to run both i2 and thermal.
>>53564762>That is really strange to meWell, I guess some people manage it better than others. Some cannot do it for shit and it apparently comes easy for you. It looks like I am either in the middle ground or else maybe I am processing it more - getting more discrete information from each side versus someone else casually blending the images. I think that we are in a real grey zone here. All that having been said, I prefer true dual band over COTI.
Anyone tried USB-charged RCR123/16340s? I'm about to drop some cash on 16340s and am worried it won't fit in my DP09 due to their slightly longer body. I've got some 3V CR123s but I know they'll die quicker in my thermal due to lower voltage.
>>53564872Nah man you'll basically never see it. I don't know this is possible but ask Kosher to install it with the blem in the lower left of the tube. That way it will be the least obtrusive or noticeable. I don't know for certain if that is possible or if the tube only fits in the housing in a particular orientation.
>>53567267>Anyone tried USB-charged RCR123/16340s?Not rhat specific battery but I have charged and recharge basically every shape and size LiPo battery over the years. As long as you keep the voltage and amperage in the proper range for the battery you will be okay. Some cells fail sooner than others, that's just life.
>>53567485I was more worried about the overall length not fitting in my specific device. The Infiray DP09 has a somewhat short/snug battery compartment.That said, I'm looking at Nitecores thanks to another /nvg/ anon. The compatible OEM charger says 1000mA max charge output but the batteries themselves say 650mA max charge. Would that be ok or not?
>>53565298 Excited for mine to come in. Been trying to rig up a full articulating bridge but I'm limited in what I can build/modify. Super excited to get to retire the bridge I've spicgineered to the pano digi project. Also like the idea of a good bridge if I ever decide to get real I2.>>53565611I'm also not discrediting frame rate here. Makes me wonder if some of the issues are because the analog nature of I2 and digital nature of thermal. One eye gets constantly updated monochrome with no noticeable lag. While the other is dealing with a stream of pictures at 25-50hz but with a similar monochrome image.Maybe bridging with a digital low light allows for easier fusing? I'll play with the fps settings on my Sionyx tonight. See if I can fuse a 25hz thermal to a 7.5 fps image and what is different as I speed up the Sionyx.
>>53567267>USB ChargedI'm assuming you're talking about lith batteries that are charged with a charger that gets its power from USB and not the batteries that have a USB port right on it. Those things are wacky by the way.So quickly measuring, it looks like my CR123A batteries are 34mm +/- 0.1mm while my 16340s are 35mm +/- 0.1mm. 123A batteries definitely go in easier in my TS35 while I have to fight to get in my 16340s, but they do go in.So I guess if you're curious try to find some 1mm plastic and use it as a spacer. I think it should fit but I don't have your NV so I won't know for sure.
>>53567797I was referencing the USB ported ones, but since you've had wacky results, I'll avoid those. Now I'm worried about charger amperage; Nitecore 16340s say the max charge amperage should be 650mA but their own UI1 charger does 1000mA max. Would running such a charger be dangerous for such cells, or is the maximum adjust down depending on the type of battery? I'm a little confused.
>>53568001If the battery cell is listed on the charger/in the manual, and it is a smart charger? You should be good to go.
>>53568041Nitecore says the UI1 is an Intelligent USB charger. https://charger.nitecore.com/product/ui1XTAR makes something similar that's locked to like 0.5A that I'm considering due to its by-design lower output.https://www.xtar.cc/product/XTAR-MC2-Charger-8.htmlI'm tempted to go XTAR, but it's not as well-known as Nitecore.
>>53568108I've used Nitecore shit in my vaping habit. Only for 18650 cells but never had an issue I didn't make.
>>53568001Oh shit, so you WERE actually talking about the ones with the USB port right on them. I meant wacky as in "whoever came up with this is equally crazy and genius". If they come from a reputable maker then they should be fine batteries. I personally don't bother with them since I'd rather have the extra capacity and have a bunch so I can just rotate out the discharged batteries with charged ones. If space convenience is a factor getting one of those universal magnetic chargers is an option. Takes up only a little more space than a micro USB cable anyways and you can charge both regular capacity lithium and NiCAD/NMHD batteries too.If you still want those USB cells then I guess check the dimensions, if it's 34-35mm then it should go in fine but still check with one of your CR123As with a spacer.
>>53568157Ok, I'll get the Nitecore then. >>53568221The DP09 has a pretty tight fitting slot with a flat spring negative end. Very stiff unlike a coil spring one. In retrospect I'm not sure a USB ported model would fit, it's fairly stiff for my conventional CR123s.
>>53567537>he compatible OEM charger says 1000mA max charge output but the batteries themselves say 650mA max charge. Would that be ok or not?Yeah man that sounds within spec for RCR123A>https://www.batteryspace.com/prod-specs/RCR3.00v.pdf
>>53568290Yeesh, if it's already that tight with a normal CR123 then yeah anything bigger is probably not going to fit. Maybe not even 16340s. Definitely go for batteries explicitly labeled RCR123s and double check to make sure they're at or under 34mm length.
>>53568320Ok, cool.>>53568350I just tried it again and it's not as tight of a fit as I thought; my Surefire CR123s at 34.3mm fit pretty easily, with a slight amount of give. The Nitecores are the smallest 3.7V RCR123s I can find, at about 34.8mm long. I think they'll work, and if not, Opticsplanet has a fairly good return policy.
>>53538063where do i go these days to find rhino ii mounts? ebay seems awfully scammy lately
>>53569385Damn, ebay is that bad huh.For a lower price point you have to look in the private market, like tacswap, reddit's GAF, arfcom EE etc.Otherwise you'll be looking at brand new Rhino IIs at NV retailers and it'll cost like $200+.
>>53567340>I don't know for certain if that is possible or if the tube only fits in the housing in a particular orientationThe tube fits in one exact orientation. There is a notch in the tube and an index pin in the housing. If it is for an MNVD then the blemish will flip from side to side with the housing also.
>>53567607>While the other is dealing with a stream of pictures at 25-50hzOut of all of the problems my Breach has, the 60Hz frame rate is breddi gud. I think part of my issue is that I am truly seeing both images for what they are. I am not being casual about it. I am constantly flipping my brain to look first for heat signatures and then details in the i2, constantly watching lighting conditions and analyzing point light sources. I need to tune my image for the Breach down past the low limit also. It is way too bright.
>>53569809Man this hobby is neat. Thanks for the insight
>>53569938>Thanks for the insightWell, the discussion is opening me to the idea that mindset is a big deal with dual band. I am probably getting more out of it from the extra work, but it may not be necessary for everyone.
How heavy of an ND filter do I need to bring a Breach down to usable levels for nighttime use? I guess that I could err on the side of too heavy and just set the brightness higher than level 1 if I go too far.
Moon watchers where we at
Bronytek out in full force
>>53581055anon it's rude to place graffiti
>>53579481Do you have a photography store you can visit in your city? Maybe you can ask them to try out various filters they have to see how it'll perform.
>>53579481ND filters can have one of two numbers: an optical density number or a filter factor number. Filter factor is easy: ND2 is half the light, ND4 is 1/4th, etc. I would start with at least a ND4 (optical 0.6) since if you overshoot you can dial up the device. Chinesium filters are cheap af on eBay so you might even decide to get a few so you can try them out at night. This is also a good suggestion: >>53582483
I feel more comfortable spending large amounts of money on thermal over i2 simply because thermal units aren't as delicate
>>53583032Gen 3 isn't THAT delicate. Just be careful with it. Probably the worst thing is lasers but digital sensors are just as sensitive to laser damage as I2.
>>53583032>pussy investor mentalityEvery time you turn your unit on it dies a little. The horror! Best not to use it at all.
>>53582483My eye would have to be dark adapted.
>>53582814I will start with ND4.
>>53584680Ah, well at the very least you can do exchange quickly and get different ND values to test out which one will work for your use case instead of waiting for returns/exchanges with online retailers.
>>53583462>digital sensors are just as sensitive to laser damage as I2Can you back this up? I believe thermal sensors to be significantly less sensitive than i2 regarding laser strikes. I believe that they will generally survive reflections, whereas i2 will get hosed even from reflections. Direct mirror reflections notwithstanding.
>>53584121You are one hundred percent spot on - but /nvg/ is a fren zone, so take it down a hair.
>>53584738I like my camera shop and they like me. They try to help with the NV stuff but they get confused and it winds up being unpleasant for everyone so I try to keep my NV needs separate.
Anyone here buy a real G24 and regret it? I'm hearin the fake one is justasgood
>>53585080I think most people who aren't made of money regret spending that much for a brand new g24, if they could get a legit one for half the price it would be much more easier to stomach but this is the NV realm and the market is aimed at government contract first and civilian market dead last to get some extra money on the side.
>>53585080An anon here got a chinkshit one and it was breddi gud after he took it apart and reassembled it properly. Some cone washers were backwards, and there were some other minor issues. All in all, he was happy with it. Wilcox is a little more stable to start and tends to stay stable for longer. That seems to be the consensus.
>>53585176>>53585125I bought and overpayed for one from amazon for 90 bucks. If it's garbage at least the return will be easy.
>>53585234>overpayed for oneI have not been looking. What is the going rate?
>>53585314It's like 50 something from aliexpress but you will wait months. They can also be bought from some US based retailers for like 75 bucks
>>53584769>Can you back this up? CCD and CMOS sensors get raped by lasers. They are actually more sensitive to damage than the human retina. "Eye safe" laser power levels at something like a concert laser light show will destroy mirrorless camera sensors. (And DSLRs if the shutter is open.) That info is all over the web.As for microbolometers...https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328180319_In-band_low-power_laser_dazzle_and_pixel_damage_of_an_uncooled_LWIR_thermal_imagerA casual look at their numbers suggests thermal isn't as sensitive as I2 or CCD/CMOS, but I would have to look some things up to be sure and I'm lazy.>I believe that they will generally survive reflections, whereas i2 will get hosed even from reflections.In both cases that depends on the reflection itself. Distance, power level, scatter, etc. You're probably right that I2 would blem first, but don't assume thermal can't get fucked by a reflection.fwiw I've seen gen 3 streak from a laser reflection and be fine a minute later. Reflected power level was obviously enough for MCP saturation but not PCR/screen damage. So laser reflections aren't instant death for I2 either.
>>53585080I have one and I unironically think it is justasgood. The arm is noticeably wobbling than the legit, but the mount is unironically just as good. Referring to the sotac branded ones specifically. I sourced mine from Aliexpress
So my bridge should be here in early June. Looking at the Team Wendy SAR helmet as my buy once helmet. Any suggestions for alternative helmets? I want a good bump helmet for NVG mounting, not a piece of ballistic armor.>Chomping at the bit for the sun to go down.
>>53580806Cloudy and foggy. No joy.
>>53585125>tfw got one for half the price
>>53585125it boggles my mind how absolutely retarded the gov and military are that they just accept that they're being charged $600 for a small piece of metal. Or I guess I'm not that surprised
>>53586827I do not think that bumps are a cry once paradigm. I cried a bunch. I started with an Ops Core. The ''shroud'' had a lot of slop, give, and the ridge was at the hairy edge of letting go of the retainer detent for the lowering arm. Vic at TNVC gave me a bunch of shit for complaining, but fuck that flat range boomer. Built in plastic shrouds are no good. I got China's best - Dragonred. I put all of my OC stuff in and on the chink shell with Oregon Aero pads and have been generally happy with it. Dragonreds are hard to get. If I had to do it again, I would get one of those lightweight ballistic FMA shells and add new guts. That should be light enough as a bump. I would disregard the ''ballistic'' value. A lot of tough guys have disdain for bumps. Do enough training and the neck will go out for good and you will not be needing the ballistic anymore. >Chomping at the bit for the sun to go downSummer approaches. Nights will be getting short. I will be back in the tunnels. Which bridge did you decide on?
>>53587079Obviously there is a ton of soft corruption, skimming off the top, fudging the books, under the table handshakes, etc. But buying something means something totally different when you change who's doing the buying. The individual buys only the physical product but large organizations like governments/businesses/etc are most likely also paying for a shitton of after-purchase support. Support for when you need help, warranties when things go bad, and someone to sue when things get really bad. This could include technical staff on location to do maintenance/repairs, "free" training programs, 24hr replacement parts delivery to anywhere in the world, and so on. I wouldn't be surprised if the value of the actual physical product was anywhere near 20% of what governments are actually paying for.
>>53587079>$600A little high there anon, but yes.G24's are pretty complex designs, though.
>>53587100The key reason I want a legit helmet with good certs is because I want a helmet for mountaineering/high angle fuckery. I've tree climbed once at night and I was glad I kept my digi in a pouch till I got into position. Fucked the plastic shroud on my airshit lancer helmet from slamming my head forward... I'm still learning this night time difficulty level.And I went with the Nightwatch 3. Sionyx over right, Taipan over left.Funny, I'm planning on going inna trees for animal observation once it gets warm enough to climb and sit.
>>53586936Clear skies. Going to try to photograph with a telescope.
>>53538063I think I had some weird fever dream bit I could have sworn some anon posted a webm of a weird EOTech looking thing that had a NV mode that displayed the IR laser through the lense somehow, no NVG needed. Was that real, a shitpost, or some meme IR scope thing that's trash? Seems too good to be true
>>53586936Same, shit sucks.
>>53587359Only EOTech looking thing I can remember was that budget iRay thermal sight. It was intended for the Asian/Russian market and fairly low quality, IIRC.
>>53587307>I want a legit helmet with good certsI have pretty much left a lot of certs behind. Your lancer with a robust cover will be tough. Get a legit shroud. Get some Oregon pads. Get better rails and halo if needed.
>wanted to watch the lunar eclipse tonight>it's overcast >have work tomorrow
>>53587622Well fuck me, thanks bro. Should I spring for a Wilcox shroud replacement? The pads will probably solve some of the head band pressure that was making me think I should go expensive. Cover and or counter weight suggestions?>No luck yet on the eclipse, got 90 minutes before it peaks here
>>53587501Ah thanks anon. I imagined that those rail mounted IR capable sights are trash, anyway.
>>53588278It wasn't really IR capable, it was a thermal. That said, there's a lot of cheap digital NV riflescopes out there. I wouldn't trust most of them.
>>53588019>Should I spring for a Wilcox shroud replacement?Either that or Ops Core. You need a good shroud. I do not skimp there. I have had failures on cheap shit.>Cover and or counter weight suggestions?I went with A-Two for both. It is a copy of the Ops Core Mesh cover.
Just put in an order with Opticsplanet for my charger and batteries; as I made the order the charger availability just jumped to 4-6 weeks.FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKAt least it looks like they're willing to honor the sale price and discounts for when they actually bill my CC. Anyone else have experience with them on this?
>>53588564It's opticsplanet, they always do shit like this. Hell you may not even get it in 6 weeks they probably don't even have the item in stock
>>53588564>Anyone else have experience with them on this?Only those of us that have dealt with Optics Planet. It is not an obscure item, so they will probably get it back in stock. It will probably turn out ok in the long run. If it were a tough to get item then they would just let you hang.
>>53587359The Steiner CQT?
>>53588608>>53588623Yeah, it's a Nitecore battery charger, so not exactly hard to get or rare, it'll be back in stock fairly quickly. My bigger question is if they're willing to honor the discount coupon/sale prices even if they don't bill until later. Do they?
>>53588668Yeah you should be fine with the discounts
>>53588668They honored my 15% discount code on a pre-order of the Aimpoint P2 when it was charged and shipped.
>>53588693>>53588695Cool, thanks. That said, I'm buying some 16340s and associated charger for my DP09. I can run it off CR123s and power banks for the time being, but I wanted proper handheld power that didn't give me a constant LOW POWER WARNING while it was on.
>>53588668>Do they?They honor the discounts if they can get the goods. Otherwise, they are not that great.
>>53588827>constant LOW POWER WARNINGI am about to start down that road when I expand power for my Breach.
i just bought a set of pvs 7b's 3rd gen, with headgear/mount counter weight for 1,000.did i do good /k?
>>53540536Anon, a good set of ANVIS 10 pano's (quad tube) are more like $30k USD and a minimum one year backorder. Add $10k more if they are thermal linked.
>>53588858Shouldn't be a problem. The supply of Nitecore chargers is pretty regular IIRC.>>53588876I'm not sure, can the breach run off 16340s? my DP09 is specifically tuned for the higher 3.7V output versus normal 3V CR123s. Not sure about the Breach.>>53588918Sounds good, but I'd be worried about the tube quality at that price. How does it look at night?
How comfy is it taking night walks on local nature trails with NODs? Scared of ruffians / homeless or anything, or is packing heat implied?I have a nature trail that runs around my neighborhood that sounds like it'd be a lot of fun to walk in the middle of the night.
>>53588947i'm new to these but it's fucking amazing to me what i can see/do with a borrowed peq. what signs would a bad tube exhibit?
The niggers at scamazon sent me the Rattler TS35-384 but I paid for the 640.Anyways, I played around with it some while I had it.Heres a picture of the recent SpaceX rocket launch.
>>53588918>did i do good /k?Good enough for who it's for. The -7 is not well liked here, but it will do a lot of work.
>>53588947>can the breach run off 16340s?No. I need an extender tube. Then I can run 18650s - but it will permanently show low battery.
>>53588955>is packing heat implied?I do. We have aggressive nightwalking hobos. If you make best use of your gear then you have an advantage. You still need to cover all of the bases, though.
>>53589103This is the rattler again at 200 yards. See the guy sitting down? I was just scanning the area and he lit up like a christmas tree.
>>5358914316340s are literally rechargeable CR123s with an additional 0.7V. I'm surprised a PTQ136 can't run on them. Is it an amperage or voltage issue?You can also try a USB power bank.>>53589103>>53589202Amazon has insanely great customer service. RMA should be super simple and easy. It was last time when I got the wrong USB adapters.
>>53589337>Is it an amperage or voltage issue?I am taking the easy road to 4 hour service from 1.5 hours service. Mod Armory makes a tube conversion that lets me drop them in. I was not worried about economy, just the extremely low 1.5 hours from the CR123.>You can also try a USB power bank.I need to keep weight down because I am dual band bridging. Besides, a single aluminum tube lets me avoid the cord hassle. 4 hours is good enough.
>>53553774How dark was it when this pic was taken? New to nvg’s and I always see pics and wonder how dark it was (in this case because of the glow on the clouds)
>>53589958Not him, but photography under NV is always a contentious issue. There is the performance of the NV, the performance of the camera, and the camera settings to consider. Not to mention user skill. All of these things affect the outcome.
>>53590052>>53589958>>53553774yeah it's literally impossible to actually show someone what NV looks like with a picture
>>53590052>>53590088While you can't get the true look and feel of NVDs through a camera even with an DSLR imo, you can still get in focus photos and videos with these recommendations >>53538407.This picture was taken with my pixel 3a phone with the gosky phone adapter mount to my PVS-14 L3 filmless WP.
>>53590130The newfags need to understand that a data sheet tells them more about a tube than an image shot through it. I have seen too many people get confused because of images.
>>53588955No hobos on the trails where I live. Sometimes there are people fucking around at night but they always get there via car. Part of the reason I bought my first gen 1 was to be able to spot people/cars at a distance and take different trails. Started my journey to gen 3.I'm in a state run by retards so I just carry a knife, pepper spray, and nods.
>>53590088Top left on the bad pics is literally every single time I try to take a picture through my Omni VII.
>>53591495Same here. My phone shows less noise than my mirrorless but is mush. My mirrorless is sharper than my phone but fuck me you would think I was holding the tube in front of the remains of the Chernobyl reactor.
>>53591581My phone even on manual settings just looks like I'm looking through a Gen 0 tube thanks to the 4 different retarded cameras.
>>53591594>be phone>owner puts this strange thing in front of camera array>which camera choose?>choose the worst possible one
>>53591615>Now is my time to shinet. The shittiest of my $1500 phone's cameras
>>53591730LOL what is your phone even doing?
>>53591761I don't even fucking know, I'm pretty sure my phone also doesn't know. Look at this shit from the eclipse today. Phone was mounted, stationary, and normally does pretty good night time photos with no light but today it decided it went into the surrealist art dimension.
>>53579481DP09 anon here, when I tried to headmount it it also burned my eye, so I ended up using a moon filter like this (pic one is from Celestron, mine is from Konus, don't really think there is a significant difference). Shop site tells it lets through 25% of the light, and it gives it a slight greenish tint.
>>53591730Iso too high
>>53586612Any issues with arms not locking into the dovetail mount? I’ve read some people had issues with that
>>53595465No, not unless I crank the set screws in the dovetail cassette too far. There's enough adjustment to overcome the slip tolerance.
>>53583032thermals also depreciate like other sensor tech, so quite a bit faster than I2. Thermal sensors have improved at pace with or faster than Moore's law, meanwhile digital night vision is no where near analog gen3 and will not be for the foreseeable future. Gen3 tubes, especially film-less, also have extremely long lifespans with L3 tubes being known to last upwards of 20,000 hours. All of these combined make I2 a far better investment than thermal tech. Get a thermal because the capabilities are worth paying the sticker price to you, not because you think it'll hold value better.If you're worried about it being delicate then get insurance, it's pretty cheap actually.
>>53596689Aren’t filmless tubes even more susceptible to light damage and degradation? I know the whole 500 hours of use can cause degradation rumor isn’t true but don’t they still have less life than thin filmed?
>>53596917>the whole 500 hours of use can cause degradation rumor isn’t trueDo not do this. It is not a rumor and it was absolutely true for for the first iteration of filmless tubes developed by Litton. Later, as L3, they overcame these problems and developed a new iteration that was distinguished by the term ''unfilmed''. Since angry boomers insist that the terms ''filmless'' and ''unfilmed'' need to be used interchangeably, we now have no way of discretely naming the two separate technologies. They are, however, separate technologies, and the early iteration did have a very short usable life. This is now the cue for angry boomer to come in here and tell me that the confusion is all my fault.
>>53587079there's also the RD costs, I'm assuming that the us gov set the specs for what they wanted and Wilcox designed the G24 around those.
>>53588945good tube QTNVG's can be had for around $18k
>>53588945>>53597442I didn't do extensive research for the quad tube price. I can revise the thing if you want but it wasn't meant to be a serious analysis. I kind of meant it as a meme
Is rhino 2 with a dovetail conversion the newfag meta mount?
>>53597081>Since angry boomers insist that the terms ''filmless'' and ''unfilmed'' need to be used interchangeably, They were always and have always been used interchangeably by Litton/L3/L3Harris, the U.S. military, and vendors. There is no basis in any of the literature for your claim that "filmless" is one technology and "unfilmed" another. Outside of /nvg/ you will just get funny stares and confuse newbies if you use the terms this way.The first unfilmed tubes suffered ion poisoning severely reducing performance, i.e. there was severe degradation by the 500 hour mark. Through a combination of improved MCP material scrubbing and autogating, filmless performance was restored to a minimum of 10,000+ hours. You will never encounter an original 500 hour no-film tube. Any does-not-have-a-film tube you buy today, even used, will have 10,000+ hour lifespan.>we now have no way of discretely naming the two separate technologies. They are not separate technologies. The technology is "no film on the MCP." This did not change. It's like insisting we call Ford V8 motors something else because the materials used today enable much longer lifespans than the materials used in the 1932 Ford Coupe. Let's call them Ford 8C motors.>This is now the cue for angry boomer to come in here and tell me that the confusion is all my fault.I'm not a boomer, but I've dug up/reviewed more literature for the time period than you and you are literally the only person on Earth to make this distinction.
>>53597505It is a very good economy option. I have probably been running it for three or four years now, with no real issues. This is with a PVS-14. Binos may have issues with the FTO because of mass issues over riding the FTO.
But is it true that current L3 filmless tubes are more easily damaged by light than current filmed tubes? The additional performance must come at a cost right?
>>53590088This pic is pretty representative of what my Omni VIII tube looks like to my eye.
>>53597611>But is it true that current L3 filmless tubes are more easily damaged by light than current filmed tubes? I seriously doubt it. The film is between the photocathode and the MCP. Filmless MCPs receive ~29% more electrons. In theory this means the final projection on the phosphor screen will be brighter and the screen could therefore experience burn-in faster if the nod was left focused on a bright light source. But in practice autogating will mitigate this. I would be curious to know if you could still find a difference in burn-in time in a lab. But in the real world any mistake you make which would burn the screen in a filmless tube would almost certainly do the same to a thin filmed tube.The PC should be just as resilient (all other factors being equal) as the film/no-film is after the PC.tl;dr - I would not for a second hesitate to buy a filmless tube over this concern.
>>53597560>Let's call them Ford 8C motorsYes, that is precisely the kind of thing that happens. Significantly different iterations get discrete names in order to distinguish their features. Perhaps we will call one of them a 289 and one of them a 302. Maybe the 302 will stick around so long that we will give it a metric designation. Then maybe we will improve it and call it an HO variant... then maybe VHO... then maybe even SHO... even though they are all the same base engine. >you are literally the only person on Earth to make this distinctionNo. You make the distinction that the two groups of tubes are significantly different by saying ''The first unfilmed tubes suffered ion poisoning severely reducing performance'' versus ''Through a combination of improved MCP material scrubbing and autogating, filmless performance was restored to a minimum of 10,000+ hours''. These tubes are separate and distinct from each other. You do not think that the distinction deserves a name. I do. Otheranon's post is indicative that there needs to be a distinction made, lest the retardation keep erupting forever. Since, at the insistence of people like you, we call two things by the same name, we can not readily distinguish them. I already conceded last time that you can interchangeably use the terms all you want. This is your hole now. It was made for you.
>>53597611>The additional performance must come at a cost right?Maybe. If you were buying one used ten years from now then it might be an issue. Buying them new today seems like a pretty safe bet, as professional end users have already wrung them out enough to be able to tell that this is not a 1,000 hours versus 15,000 hours deviation. Maybe it is a 10,000 versus 15,000 ratio. If so, one still needs to amortize the added performance against those figures. tldr; i wouldn't worry about it.
>>53597869>Yes, that is precisely the kind of thing that happens. But it is not the thing that happened here. You can scream at clouds all you want. But the industry has not, does not, and will not use the terms that way.>Perhaps we will call one of them a 289 and one of them a 302. False analogy since those numbers indicate a change separate from the number of cylinders. There are no gradations of "unfilmed" just like there are no gradations of "8".>No. You make the distinction that the two groups of tubes are significantly different by saying...I very clearly meant that you are the only person on Earth to make a distinction between the terms "filmless" and "unfilmed.">You do not think that the distinction deserves a name. I do. Then choose a name that does not run head first into industry standards or violate basic English word definitions. Most people would simply say "early unfilmed tubes" or "first examples of unfilmed tubes" or "unfilmed tubes from 1998-2002." I vote for '98 Tubes.>Otheranon's post is indicative that there needs to be a distinction made, lest the retardation keep erupting forever. And if he learns your distinction he will be confused as fuck by every article he reads. If he looks up night vision on Wikipedia he will be lost because Wikipedia will tell him "Generation III Filmless technology is still in production and use today." If his friend buys a $4,500 "L3 Harris Filmless White Phosphor" tube from Kosher Surplus he will insist his friend send it back for a refund because "...it's only going to last 500 hours.">This is your hole now. It was made for you.Oh noes! I made anon understand that the first batches of Litton unfilmed tubes from 1998 started to fail around the 500 hour mark, but that it has been two decades since that has been a problem. There is blood on my hands.
>>53598322>But the industry has not, does not, and will not use the terms that wayI already conceded that ages ago. You won. Get past it.
>>53598431>I already conceded that ages ago.And yet we're in this paragraphs long debate because...>>53597081>Do not do this. It is not a rumor and it was absolutely true for for the first iteration of filmless tubes developed by Litton. Later, as L3, they overcame these problems and developed a new iteration that was distinguished by the term ''unfilmed''.You're creating confusion, not eliminating it.
>>53598468Man, ''Litton'' has been gone for ages.
>>53597505Yeah that is a legit option. Also the Sotac Wilcox clones are not bad, either.
>>53588955depends on the homeless problem in your state. Here in the PNW the parks, especially wooded ones, are full of drug induced schizo homeless dudes. One of them shot my buddy's dogs with an airgun. If you're inexperienced with nods, I'd take a weapon. If you're pretty comfortable moving through the woods with purpose, you can easily avoid anyone without nods. I never leave home without a gun though. The nice thing about nightwalking is you can usually carry a rifle as long as it'll fit in a backpack for when you're crossing the lit areas. >>53596917>>53597611no, that's a common misconception. The very first of the filmless tubes were, the ones that literally had no film, but modern filmless tubes do have a film it's just ridiculously thin. They're actually hardier in many ways than "filmed" tubes, and the usable lifespan is significantly longer. There is no real downside to buying a filmless tube aside from cost.
>>53588955I always carry just because you never know what you'll run into. But honestly it's pretty comfy to night walk and the nice thing is you will probably see any noNODs way before they see you, which gives you a good advantage.
>>53599388>you can easily avoid anyone without nodsThe defender of a position has a lot of advantage over someone moving through an area, He can sit in silence, contemplating his wasted life, as you step on twigs and dry leaves, ignorantly trudging towards contact. Thermal can help, maybe even a lot. i2 by itself will leave a lot unseen, especially if you are making any real time. Twice in recent trips, I have come close to hobos. One came from over a rise. There was no reasonable way for me to have predicted him. One came up through a passage in thicket. I was moving at the time so I did not hear the sound of his movement over mine. I asked my friend later when he first noticed the hobo. He was paying less attention and never saw the hobo. Neither i2 nor thermal is a super power. They are just tools. Tools that need to be properly applied in order to yield a significant benefit.
>>53600146They basically are superpowers but that doesn't make you invincible with them. With decent stalking skills and assuming a moderate or lower amount of background illumination, you generally shouldn't be spotted before you can spot even a stationary person. Yes, you can stumble into each other rounding a corner or cresting a hill. Generally what I do to avoid this is wear my ear pro also and use the amplified hearing to listen for sounds of movement and to be hyper-aware of the sound I'm making. The point isn't that an untrained user will instantly become a ghost under nods. The point is that at a certain point you can pretty easily avoid detection by the vast majority of people who do not have nods.
>>53599388>no, that's a common misconception. The very first of the filmless tubes were, the ones that literally had no film, but modern filmless tubes do have a film it's just ridiculously thin. Source? Every reference I have says filmless tubes have no film. Thin filmed tubes have a film 1/3rd the thickness of "thick" filmed tubes. Though in absolute terms even regular filmed tubes have a film that is "ridiculously thin." The idea is a film thick enough to block ions ejected from the MCP towards the PC, but thin enough that electrons (or rather most of the electrons) from the PC pass through to the MCP.>They're actually hardier in many ways than "filmed" tubes, and the usable lifespan is significantly longer.Tubes from L3Harris (unfilmed) and Elbit (thin filmed) have to meet the same test standards for the military. Their longevity is likely comparable, although none of us could know for sure without access to their accelerated test data. (They keep tubes running at 10x average light input for three months then measure them and extrapolate for lifespan performance data.) What we do know is that they meet OMNI VIII's minimum 7,500 hour life expectancy, or soon will meet OMNI IX's 12,500 hour expectancy. Several online references cite "10,000 hours" suggesting that the manufacturers are already well past that mark and the military tightened the standard knowing they could do so without adversely impacting yields.
>>53603087You got the G24 clone fix image?
>>53603338I am ashamed to say that I didn't not have it saved and needed to go digging for it>https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/53158373/#q53169227
>>53603553Damn bro, thank you. I appreciate the effort.>I love this general, legit some of the nicest people I've ever banted with on /k/.
>>53603604Likewise, friendo. Anytime
>>53538063Paging schizo hillbilly grower fighting anon. How goes the war? Did they finally get him? Should we dispatch a team to check on him? I hope he's okay bros
>>53607033ffs, I don't want to use a chunky eokek or amg, is there any small format rds that's truly nv compatible?
>>53607171Aimpoint P2 if you wanted a boxy/mailbox format. I have it on top of my ACOG.
>>53607234You can see emitter from T2, I'm going to assume P2 shows as well.
>>53607266I'll go check the NV brightness settings, I don't think you can see it but I'll report back if I do or don't.
>>53607298It's fact you can through the t2 emitter from the front, idk why p2 would have some better tech, but I'd very much welcome it.
>>53607356I have both, I tested both and I have it on video recording. I'm just converting the videos into webms.
>>53607356>>53607465Up first is the Aimpoint T2, level brightness 1 to 6. Aimpoint says 1-4 is NV settings, when I use it for passive aiming I prefer 3 or 4. I personally couldn't see the LED emitter that well from 1-3, even when I'm as up close as I am to my firearm/optic looking from the muzzle end towards the optic, at 4 it's much more apparent but I have my doubt you'll see it at distance, at 5+ it's pretty damn bright through the NVD.
>>53607356>>53607465The Aimpoint P2 level brightness from 1 to 4. Aimpoint says there's 4 NV brightness settings.At level 1 I can barely see the LED emitter, same thing regarding how close I was to the firearm/optic and looking grim the muzzle end. At level 2 it was apparent the LED is much brighter than level 1 but again I have my doubts it'll be an issue if an adversary is looking for me from my led emitting through my P2. At 3+ it is extremely bright imo and may cause to have some concern. I personally like to use level 2 for passive aiming.
>>53607745>>53607774Yea, it's gonna be hard to see on camera because of the nvg config/settings used to focus at that distance. You can see the t2 emitter at the 7-8 o'clock position from the front under nods with nv settings.
>>53608019I guess, I think I'm gonna be okay with the performance of the Aimpoint offerings. Maybe get some ARD or kill flash for you optics, that might help out.The only other optic that I would use for passive aiming is Eotech xps/exps 3 but you seem to be against that optic option.
>>53608077>Maybe get some ARD or kill flash for you opticsThat will dim your sight picture as well.
>>53608206I don't know what else to tell you, if you are not interested in eotech's offering. The only other option is active aiming with your MFAL but if you are concerned of your signature being seen then this is the worst option.I don't know if there's any RDS that project the LED emitter towards the eyepiece lens of the optic (towards the shooter's eye) and has great IR light transmission coating for their lens.This is just my opinion, but I think you have way too much concern about this even if you are against an adversary with equal NVD gear. Like thermal is probably more of a concern as it's much harder to hide your thermal signature if you are being actively tracked.
>>53608318Last reply was different anon, I don't have a problem with eotech, It's still the king when you need no-nonsense function and performance, I just wish there was a 2.0 already. Both exps3 and t2 have their own issues, there's no perfect solution and it's aggravating.
So I had an another foray at HMTing DP09, this time I used a nightcap, not a helmet, and it made things much better - it allows for more peripheral vision so movement was easier. It may have been a bit brighter outside, though.The offset sadly is there but, just like walking with a mono NV, it seems it's an acquired skill to walk with two images in front of you. Sometimes the images fused, sometimes they seemed really unbalanced and the picture was fuzzy to the eyes. I guess experience matters here too. Balancing brightness between the eyes is also important, it's easier when the thermal screen isn't much brighter than NV.Sturdy mounting options seemed to help too, when the thermal's screen was fixed in front of the eye, it was much easier to look around and not lose sense of where you are.25hz refresh rate didn't seem to bother me that much this time, weird.The advantages of said setup are, of course, increased detection capabilities - for example, there were lights near the gates of the park, which haloed the shit out of my mono, but through thermal I noticed two dudes there. Also saw a cat gracefully hunting for mice, crawling and jumping - would have missed him without thermal, sadly, no pics.
>>53608984I flip my brain from eye to eye. I am only really looking through one eye at a time. It's kind of like using an MNVD where you sort of ignore the unaided eye when you are focusing on the screen.
>>53608984Nerfanon here. Spacing out my Amazon orders right now, going to order the cardboard VR headset and cheap GoPro tripod mounting screw so I can build a ghetto thermal NVG out of my DP09. That said, Infiray's XTherm is a piece of trash app, but it works. Any other, better apps work with the DP09?
>>53607745>>53607774This is valuable testing and thank you for high quality webms
Thread seems to have fewer and fewer posts i.e. is slower than usual imo, maybe not as many people are interested in NV gear right now due to inflation/bad economy and the already expensive barrier of entry if they were only interested in mil spec/issued equipment.Hopefully more people will chime in and ask questions in the next thread.
>>53616530This was me>>53540642I got my PVS14 from steele yesterday and had fun with it, I need to get pics tonight.
>>53616565Happy to hear it fren. Please do post pics
>>53616565Congrats on getting your PVS-14, that was really fast shipping! Hopefully you will enjoy your new night vision superpower.If you wanted to take pictures/videos that will be in focus check these posts >>53538407 and >>53590130. Take your time getting used to the NVD equipment when you are wearing it on your helmet, you'll need to practice handling your firearms under NODs to retain your mastery of your firearm like in the daytime.
>>53616665>>53616646Thanks friends, I got it really quickly. Last night I played with it a bit in my backyard and garage and had a blast. The blem isn't that noticeable in use. I'm playing with a sotac G24 clone and (real) wilcox j arm with switch. The G24 clone is kind of wobbly in certain areas. A bit of velcro fixed the mount to helmet wobble, some electrical tape fixed the dovetail play and of course adjusting the set screw fixed the slider play. I'm gonna take it apart and loctite everything.
Quick somebody bake
>>53618279I'm on it don't worry