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For the discussion of old shit.

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How is your day going anons?
I shot a milsurp themed highpower match today, and then loaded up some of my first 7.7 anime cartridges.
Would have gotten a 185 or higher if I didn't completely pull one of my standing shots off target.
What process do you anons use when forming 7.7 from .30-06? I've been trimming cases to length, sizing, annealing, and then a final trim. Completed around 40 pieces to test fire and record data from my two arisakas, and I'm really excited for my next range session
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>>53438288
>How is your day going anons?
I was able to pick some new bayonets for my rifles, a 1893 for my Spanish 1916, and 1889 for my 96/11 for $75 each. Don't know if it was a good deal or not, I just wanted some pokers for my rifles.
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>>53438639
Got new ammo cans, still can't get my enfield bolt unstuck though, bolt face won't rotate far enough to come out.
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>>53439321
>I was able to pick some new bayonets for my rifles
Sweet! I'm looking for a few. I need a swiss 1889, dutch 1895, and a m1 garand pokey
>Got new ammo cans, still can't get my enfield bolt unstuck though, bolt face won't rotate far enough to come out.
Damn, that sucks. Sadly I know next to nothing about enfields so I can't give any help. Maybe ask on boomerboards, take it to a smith, or another anon could help?
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just found this Berthier M16 carbine which I think is pretty neat.
Really interesting aspect is someone has carved "French Morroco, Africa" into the stock, which is very curious because it is both misspelled and in English. I'm wondering if it could have gone through the hands of an english-speaking legionnaire or otherwise was acquired via Morocco and the purchaser decided to mark it.
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>>53442143
forgot pic
furniture is fairly ate up but the receiver and barrel look to be in good condition
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What's a fair price for a good Mark III SMLE? Want to add one to my collection, ideally looking for one with a windage adustable rear sight, could care less about volley sights and mag cutoff.
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For the Anon who asked for Ross MkIII sight pictures last thread.
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>>53442517
Sometimes you can find MkIII* that were fitted with windage-adjustable rear sights (my 1916 BSA is such) and a matching one of those would probably cost you $500-700. MkIII with all the bits are usually pushing $1k these days.
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Wasn't one of you looking for a Siamese Mauser?
Checkpoint Charlie has one.
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Got myself a Geha 12ga on the way
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Where would I go to find a 1903 Springfield in nice condition? By nice I mean still safe to operate/take to the range on occasion and not missing sights or other very important bits.

I'm not really into surplus for the most part, I only have an old Mosin that I bought at my LGS to save her from being bubba'd (admittedly fell in love with her since). So I don't know where to start on a quest for a Springfield. I've tried Google, but it gives me all kinds of returns that are related to the gun but NOT where to buy the gun OR to places that have a listing for an item that isn't in stock. I do know enough to stay the hell away from RTI.

Picture tax is a photo of my mosin's tang with manufacture date for the reciever and barrel.
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>>53446344
>Where would I go to find a 1903 Springfield in nice condition?
Depending on your area you should be able to find one at a gun show especially if you live in the South. You can also try the trader section of Gunboards. Liberty Tree had a couple this past week. There’s always Gunbroker and various online and in-person gun auctions on hosting services like Proxibid and HiBid and Live Auctioneers. Expect to pay $800-1k for a shooter-grade “high-number”. “Low-number” refurbs are a couple hundred less but then there’s always the slightly-increased risk that it could be one of the undetectable minority with a brittle receiver and if you have a abnormal pressure event it might KB on you. Bruce Canfield has a good, relatively cheap book on the M1903, as does Joe Poyer. Would be worth getting one to help you spend your money more wisely.
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>>53445873
>really like oddball rifles like the Siam Mausers
>ammo is literally unobtanium
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I bought S&W Victory in .38 special. My first revolver I love the trigger
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>>53443281
>Sometimes you can find MkIII* that were fitted with windage-adjustable rear sights (my 1916 BSA is such) and a matching one of those would probably cost you $500-700.
Thanks anon. I've been wanting a SMLE for some time now and started perusing online for them since there's never any available locally. Unrelated but are P14s in that same price range as well?
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There was a lee-navy on the wall at a lgs i was in today. Spotted it totally out of place.
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>>53448536
I will make it out of brass nugget food one day.
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>>53448536
Buffalo arms makes it occasionally just gotta be on the email reminder.

Or hand load
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Where tf am I supposed to find 8x58r danish krag load data?
I know some offical published load data is completely unsafe. I'll probably just have to start loading cast bullets.
Is there a way to work up a reduced load with jacketed bullets, using an appropriate powder and going off of case volume?
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Got to shoot ny No4 mk1/2 for the first time since replacing the forestock. Feels good
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About a week ago I picked up a US Model 1903 pistol in 38 LC. Second time I've used gunbroker. Kind of cheating since it was from the surp dealer near me so I picked it up in person.
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>>53454902
2/4
He was short of funds so I talked him into selling me a WWII referb Colt M1917 from his collection.
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>>53454951
Came with 5 new full moon clips and its surp out box with Montgomery Wards price tag on it.
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>>53454983
4/4
Already have a M1911 so now I just need a M1909 and M1911A1 to call it quits on US pistols.
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What the FUCK size is the fucking pin in this 1903 Springfield front sight post?
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>>53450844
>Unrelated but are P14s in that same price range as well?
Often a bit cheaper, especially if they’re Wheedon refurbs without long-range sight and unit disc. I’ve been looking for one to add to my WW1 infantry rifle collection.
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>>53454248
>Is there a way to work up a reduced load with jacketed bullets, using an appropriate powder and going off of case volume?
Yes there is. Same way I developed a very nice hooting load with CFE 223 in 6.5 Jap. Find a case capacity chart. Locate your cartridge. Find a cartridge with similar case capacity that fires a similar projectile (diameter and weight) and a similar max chamber pressure. For my purposes I looked at 6.5 Swede and 6.5 Spaghetti. Find load data for these similar cartridges.

Alternatively load a few charges with 30 grains of IMR 4895 and go up from there.
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>>53456191
Thanks, ill read up on that and give it a shot. Maybe 8x56r loads would be similar enough to work from? I think i've read that some people take that cartridge and modify it to fit a proper 8mm projetile, then shoot it just like that.
The previous owner shot some of the hotter imr3031 loads out of mine, based on the data written on a box of reloads and the fact that the fired cases had cratered primers.
Brass is expensive anyways, so i'll probably just shoot reduced loads out of it and eventually cast bullets to get the most life out of my cases
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>>53457592
Nice longboi.
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>>53457882
Based longrifle enjoyer
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>>53454248
You could check Gunboards in the Krag board (or the Swedish board since they used 8x58r too).
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What's the longest longboi that you have? Mine is the M1917 though hoping to get a Trapdoor soon that will surpass it in length.
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>>53460269
New York State Militia Remington Rolling Block in .50-70 Government. About half an inch longer than my Ross MkIII.
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>>53460269
Swiss 96/11. If you include bayonets it might be the 1891 Mosin.
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>>53460269
Swiss 96/11, a bit over 130 cm. Towers above my other longbois (Swede M96 and 91/30). I think it still mogs my youngest niece too
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>>53460269
Probly one of my trappies.
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>>53462641
>>53462695
Luv me 96/11.
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Just bought a Springfield 1903 mk1
Should be arriving today, can't wait to pick her up
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>>53454902
>>53454951
>>53454983
>>53455022
>1903 & 1917
Nice!

>>53465478
Congratulations Anon!
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>>53465478
Post pics when you get it.
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>>53438639
nice cat anon
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>>53466907
She is the best
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>matching VZ 24
>"1939" crest
>Includes bayo and sling
>Finish is worn, but even. No pitting
>$600
Thoughts?
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>>53468040
Sounds ok but I'm autistic and I wouldn't buy a Vz 24 without the lion crest
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>>53438639
It is going well
I finally got a Type 44. It is unfortunately not matching, but it has its dustcover and the bore is phenomenal.
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>>53460269
I think my Lebel is the longest. Although the Type 38 and Peruvian 1909 are respectably long as well
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>>53460269
It looks like a tie between my Vetterli M1878 and my Mannlicher 1886
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Just need a 1861 muzzleloader a 1st or 2nd Allen Trap and ill be close to as far as I want to take this transformation/conversion muskets collection.
>>53438639
Brass making is so interesting to see what can work. In the process of turning .300mag to 43 mauser now. Sounds like you got the process down.
>>53442184
They look like such handy rifles. I'm so split on buying carbines over full length.
>>53452893
Custom Dies being more expensive than the gun itself. That's a shitiy pickle.
>>53454902
Haven't be watching, what do the .38lc go for now?
>>53460269
Pic related is the Needham. I think its right over 56-57 inch, have to recheck.
>>53462364
You ever get the dies? Also do they have sleeved 1861 Springfield barrels like a 2nd allen Trap or do they have ture 50-70 barrels?
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>>53468040
A little high, but with a sling and bayonet I'd probably take it in today's market.

>>53468442
Different contracts. The "1939" contract went to China IIRC...or was that 1937?
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>>53471891
>You ever get the dies?
Did somebody have them in stock? I still have to repair the cracks in the wrist to have a chance at shooting it; I've been waiting for the weather to warm up.
>Also do they have sleeved 1861 Springfield barrels like a 2nd allen Trap or do they have ture 50-70 barrels?
I believe these are all new-production rifles so they have purpose-made .50-70 barrels.

Cool Needham; what conversion is that in the middle?
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>>53472343
Na, but there is a set on eBay right now thats ending tomorrow. I would shoot for a max of $150 depending on how much you want it. Good luck on brass though. Middle is a Miller conversion in .58musket rimfire. 28ga fits perfectly and I will make a .22 blank insert cartridge to fit it. Also top is actually a in RB in .58Roberts that takes cut-down 24ga shells. I was looking for a 50-70 but found .58Roberts and kind of started the hunt for more. There is like 2-3 more then a heap of Enfield variations.
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>>53448490
>canfield 03 book
god I cannot fucking stand Bruce Canfield. He doesn't understand how to combine technical information with storytelling, and his writing style is borderline schizophrenic.

I bought his Garand book and couldn't finish it. In fact, I think I fried valuable brain cells trying to parse out what exactly he was trying to convey. I pictures were nice though. It's a shame that the one person with enough time, money and connections to fully research the M1 Garand presented his work in such a shitty way. Someone with a grasp of the English language and an autistic interest in firearms needs to go through and completely revise it.
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>>53470378
Neat! Post pics
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Anyone here know any tricks to brighten up Makarov grips?
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>>53465675
>>53465478
I apologize for the bad image quality.
My phone's camera isn't the greatest
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>>53476482
Talk like a normal person you fucking faggot.
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>>53474889
What do you mean "brighten up"? I wouldn't suggest messing with them, maybe just finding another set for sale that is the color you desire
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>>53476987
The grips on the one I have are just a bit dark, ideally I'd like to try and bring back some of the reddish tint to it.
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>>53477449
Could be possible that they're dirty or stained. Most likely thats just the way they were manufactured.
I'd try some sort of cleaning agent and scrubbing and see if they will brighten up. Nothing too harsh as not to damage the bakelite
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>>53438288
got a really nice m59/66 and it turns out it’s an A1 (night sights) are those especially more rare/valuable
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>>53472298
I figured it was good. I offered $550 and he took it, includes a cleaning kit and ammo pouch too. I'll have pictures on Saturday, until then enjoy this Tokarev
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What is a fair price for a nice Type 38 long rifle that is matching with no mum or dust cover? Been thinking about getting a Type 38 to fill out more of the Japanese service rifles.
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>>53479388
Maybe 3-400 depending on how nice it is. School marked?
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>>53478917
Tokarevs?
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Think I messed up when I bought that M1903 mk1.
I actually just want a 1903.
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>cheap nuggets are gone
Should I just say fuck it and spend $400 on a Carcano and 200rds?
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>>53483874
The only difference is the ejection port in the receiver wall. All the other Petersen-related bits would’ve been removed during refurb.
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>>53471891
You need a wanzl and a snider minimum though
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looking into a Danish contract Beretta 308 Garand
Criterion barrel, rest is new old stock parts.

what should I look for in assessing wear?
are bent oprods a real concern or a meme?
what should be considered for replacement parts to always have on hand?
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>>53483899
I'll forever miss cheap nuggets and SKSs. I hate myself for only buying one nugget when they were $150.
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Page 10 bump to save one of like, three non ukraine threads on this whole fucking board right now
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>>53484127
Finding 1 of 2000 trial rifles has been easier than finding euro conversions for some reason. I want a 18mm Millbank though along with others but do plan on the a Snider. Trying too keep on track with early US stuff
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>>53485410
>what should I look for in assessing wear?
Tools needed:
muzzle and throat erosion gauge, .30-06 cartridge for a "bullet test" in a pinch
.308 GO and NOGO gauge, preferably Clymer but that's just my personal fuddlore
.30 cal barrel straightness gauge. FN makes one for the SCAR, that's the one I use.
.30 cal pull-through bore brush and some solvent
firing pin hole NOGO gauge
firing pin protrusion gauge
flashlight
couple of small picks
.308 dummy cartridges and an known good condition en bloc

Look for:
Excessive pitting anywhere on the receiver.
General condition and proper function of receiver safety bridge.
General condition of the bolt, pay attention to any galling of the lugs. Disassemble the bolt to get ready for the headspace check. Take a quick look at the ejector and extractor.
Smooth, uniform bolt face, use a pick or fingernail to check for imperfections.
Proper firing pin protrusion.
Proper firing pin hole dimension.
Headspace, GO and NOGO. FIELD gauge if that's the only thing you have, but a complete headspace check is best.
Muzzle and throat erosion
Barrel straightness, drop the gauge down the barrel
Condition of bore: clean it with the pull-through then use your flashlight at the breech end and look down the muzzle end.
Op rod geometry, use the tilt test: Take the action out of the stock, remove the op rod spring, make sure everything is lubricated, and tilt the whole thing back and forth. The bolt and op rod should ride through their full stroke without hanging up, and it should only take like 30ish, maybe 45 degrees of tilt to set it in motion.
General function of the the rifle. Take your en bloc loaded w/ 8 dummies, and just run the gun as you normally would. Insert clip, chamber and eject all 8 rounds, check the clip eject latch, etc.

I think that about covers it. Anons, if I missed anything let me know.
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>>53489044
saved. thanks for the reply.
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>>53483899
I wouldn't. $600 will get you a nugget and just as much nugget food. Nugget>carcano by a mile
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Inglis gang RISE UP
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>>53446932
Thank you Anon.
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>>53471891
>Needham
How do you go about reloading for that? I take it you start out with 24 gauge brass shotgun shells and go from there but what did you do for dies? And have you found any load data for .58 CF?
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I'm a glutton for punishment apparently as I just picked up a surplused Singapore Police issued Webley chambered in .38S&W when the only store within 50 miles only had a plastic baggie of 25 random ass reloads available.
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>>53496256
https://wisconsincartridge.com/product/38-sw-145-gr-lrn-600-fps-50-roundsnew/

This guys 30-40 krag hasn't blowed me up yet.
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>>53496256
twin vickers? hhhhnnnnngg....

Also do I get a K31 from Edelweiss? Is that place OK or are they overpriced?

I have no self control and will likely start filling up my place with rifles I shouldn't be buying. Talk me out of it.
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>>53496577
whoops shitty screencap, sorry. prices there vary from $825 to $1200.
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>>53496577
>>53496604
No.

https://simpsonltd.com/w-f-bern-k31-z52003/

Simpson is in the middle of importing a good number of them.
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>>53460269
swiss vetterli
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>>53496616
I have but one internet thank you to give, anon.
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>>53496706
I recommend calling as soon as they open if you find one they haven't sold that you want. Otherwise you have to spend all day hitting F5 when they post new stuff and trying to beat the boomers to the phone
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>>53496577
>>53496616
I second simpsons. They can be really inconsistent with their pricing too. Sometimes they list a very nice condition rifle for less than they would usually ask for it, so you can get lucky
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>>53495212
The Needham is pretty much just a Snider
.58Berdan CF, Trim the 24ga brass and size it with Snider dies to get it started and fireform with a .575 Minie. The only quirk to it is it needs a large rim thickness to meet up breech face. A rubber o-ring does the trick. What's the gun that you have? Not much to go off of as there were a couple that were centerfire. .60cal tends to work best but still testing loads. Book related is a cartridge collector book with base info and dimensions of most documented .58 written by Geessner and Conklin.
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>>53498403
>They can be really inconsistent with their pricing too
Items on consignment to Simpson are listed for the consignor's price, which is why they can be abnormally low or ridiculously high.
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>>53483899
Get a nugget anyway, carcanos are more garbage and it doesn't help that PPU doesn't even make the right ammo for them at all
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>>53492593
Is that a non FTR? very nice.
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Friendly Reminder:

If you didn't acquire your Type 56 by either:

Personally going to China/Vietnam/Albania and unearthing it from a long-abandoned bunker in the middle of nowhere

or

Buying it using some combination of dubiously-sourced diamonds, drugs and candy from an emaciated ten year-old with a thousand-yard stare in your conflict zone of choice

...and smuggling it back into the country then what are you even doing with your life!?

Pro Tip: If anyone asks about silly things like FFL transfer fees and import/DROS paperwork later on just assume by "transfer fees" they mean the bribes you paid the customs people and the fudged customs declaration they signed off on listing it as "machine parts" when they ask you about the import and DROS stuff.
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What’s a fair price for a hex receiver mosin? I wanted to get a laminate stock carbine length mosin as my next rifle purchase but this guy has a numbers matching with non matching bayo included for a decent deal, just wanted to check price here.
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Are parts kit builds of full auto surps considered surp?
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My Frankenstein m1 built piece by piece
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>>53471891
the Mle M16 is my first carbine but I gotta say it is a lot of fun to handle. Still seems sacrilegious to have anything but a big boy rifle, but I think there is room for both in my life.
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>Checks Drouot auctions
>Non-M93 Lebel
>M27 Lebel
>Both demil

Fuck this gay universe.
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>>53502321
>What’s a fair price for a hex receiver mosin?
These days $300-400 for a standard 91/30 refurb. A refurb M44 carbine will be about the same but a refurb M38 in a laminate M44 stock will probably be over $500. Nuggets be crazy yo.

>>53504170
And it didn't cost you a dime. Gonna shoot 8 rounds in style; gonna throw those clips so high. 'Cause you'll have the only (M)1 like it around.
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>>53505696
It’s an ex dragoon hex receiver for 400, it’s pretty but I already have an M39 so I wanted a carbine mosin next. I think I’ll pass, it’s not a must have or anything
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>>53505696
>These days $300-400 for a standard 91/30 refurb. A refurb M44 carbine will be about the same but a refurb M38 in a laminate M44 stock will probably be over $500.
*sniff*
Just look at our little moist nugget...how much he's grown.
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>>53474406
I'll start with this one since it involves a question

The datasheet on Castle-Thunder doesn't seem to acknowledge it. There's the "small stamp" section but that appears to be talking about the actually small stamps on the side of the receiver.
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>>53500854
Stay in California you insufferable faggot
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>>53499840
100% original Canadian, still has the remains of the Mutual Aid Board water transfer applied in 1945. Yours looks like a nice British bought example. What’s the SN prefix?
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Anyone have any suggestions for reproduction bayonets for the Springfield 1903?
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>>53510592
>Anyone have any suggestions for reproduction bayonets for the Springfield 1903?
Unless your rifle is immaculate it'll look weird.
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So say you’re restoring a Norinco SKS, and you used JB Wood putty to fix one of the ears. That wood putty is way too light of a color. Otherwise, everything else is looking great so far, but what do I do to fix the color of the dried wood putty (if anything)?
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>>53438288
Do any companies make functional recreations of WW1 era rifles that ship to the UK?
I'm trying to get my hands on a SMLE Mk3 or a Mauser G98, but they're pretty expensive.
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>>53496507
That is pretty neat to find a fellow anon from Adams/Friendship, Wisconsin. I have yet to buy any ammo from that place beside Robert's guns and Ace Hardware (especially since I have only have mosins and a gewehr 98 as surplus) but their ffl transfer is pretty cheap.
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>>53512678
Why not just look at Holts Auctioneers section 1? There’s often a few Lee-Enfields for auction each time. Next lot is in July iirc.
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Can someone explain to me why the fuck are K98k bayonets with scabbards $300+, despite they are common as fuck? Hell, I bought my RC for 450 last year, and I can't wrap my head around spending 2/3 of the rifle on the bayonet.
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>>53438288
>sign up for the CMP M1911 sale
>Double check everything and specially send the information packet
>Get my number
>Wait over a year to get my turn
>Manually check the current numbers being sold on the forums
>Don't seem to get a call
>Lone email buried in my inbox
>Turns out my turn came a week before I found out
>"WHOOPS SORRY, MANAGER SAID I CAN'T SELL YOU ONE ANYMORE"
>I'm sent to the back of the line (ie I won't get one and am completely forgotten)

I essentially did everything right and yet I still get fucked
Everyone was right in when they said the CMP is garbage
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>>53502544
No, but they can be welcome sometimes.
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>>53448536
Just make it bud.
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>>53515710
Where did you get your dies? I have a pristine Thai Mauser that has just sat in my safe for five years...
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>>53516011
Ch4D makes them, alternatively just get a universal decapper and buy pre-made brass...
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/927542552
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/926284171
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>>53514326
It’s because a lot of people who can’t collect guns for legal reasons like they’re a felon or they live in a gun hating country collect bayonets instead. The UK and continental Europe especially have an absurd number of edged weapon autists.
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>>53514683
Ouch. Sorry to hear that anon.
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Anyone have an FR8?
How big are the sight apertures?
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How did I do /K/? picked up the following, Brno K98 mixmaster with a nice barrel for shooting the shit out of, all matching K98az with original sling, both for 800aud. Plus all with mums and dust covers Late war Type 99 (i have an early one, anywhere you can get dust covers still?) And a 38 and 38 Carbine all around 1000 AUD each.

Now I just need to wait 2 months for the paperwork so I can take them home, being a gun guy in Australia is painful sometimes.
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>>53518517
And the rest
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>>53518517
The Kar.98az is worth what you paid for the two rifles Anon. Great deal.

>>53518538
Nice.
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>>53518559
Thanks anon I had paid 1250 for a worse mixed K98az about 6 years ago and thought that was a decent deal so I was very pleased to get this one. That is a nice G98 I've never seen a Czech one before?
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>>53519041
The Czechoslovak government purchased Waffenfabrik Mauser's Gew.98 production line –and all associated spare parts on hand– in 1919 and set it up in the city of Brno. The first 10,000 rifles they produced, called "Vz.98", were almost identical to wartime Gew.98s the only difference being that those with Czech-made stocks lacked grasping grooves. They would be quickly be replaced with Vz.23/24 short rifles in Czech service and then were sold to the Turkish Republic in 1926-1927 along with thousands of other ex-German Gew.98s the Czechs had been using. This one is almost a complete mixmaster, with only the barrel and receiver still matching. It may have even been assembled from loose parts by the company that imported it to the USA. Good shooter though.
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got these two as a bundle anybody know anything about them? im not interested much in guns but i got them pretty cheap.
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>>53438288
Well I'm keeping an eye on a 1944 Finnish Sako M39 on GB and hoping it doesn't jump last minute, so we'll see.
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>>53520824
Umm how cheap?
Right: appears to be a basic bitch M91/30. Can't tell anymore unless we see the receiver markings.

Left: a Gew98 variant of some sort. Coulde be Czech or Turkish. Again, can't tell unless you show receiver markings.
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1000 buckaroos for an early swedish m94. bore good, rifle complete, no pitting, blueing thin, stock scratched but nothing out of the ordinary.
price ok or too much? im inclined to buy.
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>>53522751
Expensive but fair these days. Matching?
t. paid 1200 euro bills a year ago
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>>53510963
shortened 1903s are much cheaper than long ones an accurate for the pacific theater tho.
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>>53492593
fn or nothing
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>>53489044
if i go to a private seller or shop here, and tell em to dissassemble the rifle and do all the checks.... they are gonna kick me out/tell me to fuck off. simple as.

which shop would tolerate this, and not scream -noooo, you are gonna scratch/bend xy parts!- ?

i mean, if im selling a rifle, and the buyer wants to take the bolt out and put gauges in, check headspace etc l. ok, but dissassembling the action? unstocking the action? FUCK OFF.
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>>53522670
i got them both in exchange for 600€ and a drillpress
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>>53522670
also the other one
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>>53522795
yours is a nice one!
its gonna be gay pink money too for this m94.
its numbers matching and the screwed sling frog is there too, as well as the range table.
so im gonna blow a grand, this time not on hookers.
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>>53523019
>he doesn’t know how you get the bolt out of a garand
Any other hot takes smarty pants?
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Burgers would you pay 450 US + tax + ship for a spanish 1893 w/ bayonet in "fair" condition blueing still "mostly there" with a hairline crack in the grip area
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>>53524934
No
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>>53443253
>For the Anon who asked for Ross MkIII sight pictures last thread
Was me, thanks anon that looks really clunky and cool
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What's a good price for a Brazilian 1935 Oberndorf short rifle?
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>>53523226
>>53523957
The left is a Imperial German Gewehr Model 1898 Mauser infantry rifle made by Waffenfabrik Mauser of Oberndorf am Neckar in 1917. At some point in its life it served in Turkey based on the presence of Arabic numerals on the extractor collar. This might have been war aid from the Germans during WW1 or it might have been purchased after WW1 on the surplus market. 115,000 Gew.98s from Mauser's 1917 production went to Turkey. The bayonet with it looks like the Czech Mauser Vz.24 long export pattern, most commonly seen with the Iranian Mauser Vz.98/29.


>>53523957
This is a Soviet Mosin-Nagant Model 1891/30 infantry rifle produced at the rifle factory in the city of Tula in 1934. If that is indeed a small [SA] mark stamped on the left side of the chamber area then this is a rifle that was captured by Finland during one of their two wars against the Soviets between 1939 and 1944.

>>53522810
>shortened 1903s are much cheaper than long ones an accurate for the pacific theater tho.
Either theater really, since the shortened M1905E1 pattern wasn't approved until February of 1943.

>>53525614
It's three full feet of sight radius.
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>>53518107
I don't know actual size but the notch and apertures on the Fr8 are not good.

>>53524934
One with a crest and marked with Berlin 189X? Yes.

Oviedo fuck no
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>>53525872
Rad
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>>53518517
very nice anon. dont forget your enfields
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>>53524934
probably not. if its that ratty on the outside chances are the bore is going to be average or below average too.
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Is there a reason why some gun stores refuse to transfer to C&Rs? I'm trying to get a Mosin transferred to me and this LGS is completely clueless as to what a C&R FFL is.
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Whats the best way to fireform brass? I'm having some issues with primer setback and gas blowby with my type 99, after FL sizing some '06 brass down to 7.7
I figure it would be best for brass life to fireform them. Either I'll just load them hotter for the first firing to ensure a proper seal of the chamber, or find some other method. Could also be that i'm using a slower burning powder (IMR4350) closer to start loads, and with bullets seated not deep enough
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I'm looking for a military-pattern rifle in 45-70, and I figure this is the best general to inquire in. Given the choice between (lets say pristine) examples of a Trapdoor Springfield, Sharps Rifle, or a Remington Rolling Block (all rifle-length and in 45-70), which would you choose?
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>>53537222
Having owned all of those listed as well as a Peabody and Sharps-Borchardt in .45-70, I would take the Sharps-Borchardt 1878. It was way ahead of its time and strong enough to handle moderate smokeless loads. Hugo Borchardt preempted the 1885 High Wall from Browning by almost a decade and even included a superior striker fired action. Second choice is a Rolling Block, they’re strong, super easy to work on and clean and are very reliable.
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Whats a good price for a colombian mauser in 30-06?
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>>53537288
Seeing the prices on Sharps-Borchardt rifles, I may have to go for a regular Sharps or a Rolling Block. I appreciate the input, Anon, thank you. I'm probably going to go for a reproduction of one of these.
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>>53536828
>Is there a reason why some gun stores refuse to transfer to C&Rs?
I think it's a number of factors. The mistaken belief that you can't verify the legitimacy of a FFL03, the FFL01 viewing the FFL03 as "competition", gatekeeping, general Fuddery and bootlicking etc...

>>53537377
$3-450 for the .30-cal "R. Famage" rebuilds.
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>>53536828
why do you need an LGS to transfer for you if you have a C&R?
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Page 9 bump before range ban.
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>>53537004
You are anneling the brass right?
I would anneal like 3/4 of the brass if I was getting that much blowbuy. Also maybe just use a compressed filler in the case and shoot it straight up for even expansion of the case and hopefully fix the primer issue. I just guessing.
>>53537222
Trap is your best bet for the price unfortunately. Originals and reproductions are neck in neck for price so keep that in mind. My Trap was $200, Peabody was $950 and my Winchester Hotchkiss was $1300. Good luck in your search.
>>53537288
I was outbid by like $100 on a Borchardt and now I want one even more. Agree on the the RB being one of the greats.
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>>53542215
>You are anneling the brass right?
Yes, but I realize now probably not enough. I'll try loading them hotter next firing.
I'll also try adjusting my die when forming brass for the rifle so that it sizes closer to the length of my chamber
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>>53542215
Very cool breech action, Anon. Thanks.
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>>53525762
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>>53523019
Unstocking an M1 is part of basic field stripping. Unless it's a glass-bedded National Match autism machine it's not going to affect the performance of the rifle one bit.
I don't go around shopping for guns often, so I don't really know what every single podunk barely-afloat "gun shop" tolerates but I do know that with every M1 or M1A I've ever bought, the seller let me do pretty much everything listed. If they didn't I would've walked away. I don't buy guns sight unseen from room-temp IQ retards who don't understand how they work.
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1. Should I buy a sporter m96 mauser, reason being shared caliber with the full military config rifle, and also the only other options under 500 is carcano carbine and rattiest of mosins (Canada)
2. If its a good idea I will compile an image of all 80(!) rifles that a gunshop has for sale -- and you can help me choose :)
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>>53546775
If it's a legit CG63 or similar legit Swedish civilian marksmanship program sporter, yes.
If it's Bubba's, no.
Only buy a Carcano if you don't plan on shooting much or ever.
Don't buy a bad Mosin, there's tons of them out there if you really want one it's best to wait for a good example
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>>53546775
What model of sporter? Factory ones are nice rifles.

>>53546834
>If it's a legit CG63 or similar legit Swedish civilian marksmanship program sporter, yes.
There are plenty of Husvarna-made m/96-based commercial sporting rifles.
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>>53536828
Don't tell them it's a c&r and send it anyways.
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>>53546896
I combed through all the listings on this site, and this bubba is the one i like most
https://intersurplus.com/collections/6-5-x-55/products/swedish-m96-sporter-in-6-5x55-adjustable-trigger-1
The CG96s are all out of my budget. Anyone know what that button thing is circled?
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>>53549390
It’s a gunsmith added conventional trigger block safety. Using the traditional 90 degree flag safety with a scope mounted isn’t really an option. Don’t buy that rifle however, the description mentions a crack behind the tang. On a mauser that means the bedding has failed at multiple points and will need a lot of work. Intersurplus bought up most of the remaining unsold inventory from Tradex, it has been heavily picked over.
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Has everyone jumped ship because of the shill and slide threads? This is the slowest /msg/ has been for years.
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>>53549390
look how they massacred my boy
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>wanted to load up some 6.5 for my sweeds
>case stuck in decapper die
reeeeeeee
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>>53553543
>tfw I didn’t notice the one lonely berdan primed 9mm case in my pail of 2500 range pickups
At least the replacement pin was only $5.
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>>53550091
Thank you anon you saved me. Yeah the options are pretty grim. Thanks
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>>53552736
Yeah the board is 75% spam.
And for my part I haven't bought new surp in forever and I don't want to insult /msg/ by reposting the exact same guns all the time
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What can you tell me about this Gewehr 98?

>barrel matches receiver
>has updated rear sight

Three dates in the receiver is weird to me. I’m pretty sure the 1920 is the date it was accepted into wiemer service.
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I really need to go to the range, why does the closest 100yd range have to be a 1.5hr drive?
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>>53559700
Shoot from your living room into your back yard as is your god given right.
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>>53559700
the only range close to me is basically ran by fudds who will nitpick you over everything if you use an AR and they got threatened to ban me because i had a unabomber patch on my rifle case
feels bad man
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>>53559327
Not Weimar service per se rather the 1920 mark is a Reichswehr property mark during the general German disarmament post WW1. Guns in inventory and ones turned in/collected from the population were given that mark so they couldn’t be stolen and turned in twice for the financial rewards. The 1916/7 mark likely relates to subcontracting done by Spandau at that time. Post pictures of the bottom of the receiver and barrel and it should tell the story.
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>>53559700
Get a barrel insert
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>>53557227
>I don't want to insult /msg/ by reposting the exact same guns all the time
Better than page after page of state-sponsored memetic warfare.
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How did mineral spirits become such a meme for cleaning Cosmoline off?

I've tried using them several times along with plenty of soak time and elbow grease and they've done nothing that just pouring water on the metal and wiping it off wouldn't do with the added bonus of being expensive as shit and a pain in the ass to work with.

They leave a greasy-feeling residue all over everything and still fucking reek even though they're supposed to be """odorless""" and the fumes are worse than any other cleaning product I've ever used. Even with good ventilation I start feeling like I was intentionally huffing them after only five minutes or so.

Then I tried Goo-Gone and it was night and day. it didn't make everything smell gross, no greasy residue, it didn't make me feel like I was liquefying my brain working with it for long periods of time and it actually took off Cosmoline and other gunk even when I was using a fraction of the amount of it that I needed to see any effect from the mineral spirits.
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>>53536828
Why bother with a C&R? Just go pick it up the normal way since it’s local.
I’ve had that issue with random gun stores I’ve bought from on Gunbroker, I just send my C&R anyway and there aren’t any issues.
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>>53530999
I just saw an m/96 Swedish mauser at my lgs for $400 it's drilled and tapped for a scope mount but it's in great condition otherwise. What do you bros think?
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Inspected a Trapdoor Springfield at my LGS, it appears to be pre-1884 because there is no buffington sight. However, there is no cartouche or any other indicator of year of manufacture. Should I search the serial or is there any better way of finding the year of manufacture?
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>>53570694
Thats a lot, but if you could get it for cheaper, I'd say go for it. Especially if you don't have one already and really want it.
They're amazing rifles.
Is it drilled and tapped on both receiver rings? IIRC there were swedish militay or shooting club marksman rifles that were drilled on the rear ring, which were later removed at some point before import
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>>53510592
Unless you have a WW1 Springfield with a WW1 barrel you're better served, from a period accuracy perspective, buying an M1 bayonet. They're not that expensive, maybe $100, maybe less if you look around on fleabay. If you're really picky (like me) you can look for a bayonet with a pre/during WW1 or interwar date stamp that has been cut down to 10" and reissued as an M1.
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>>53571006
>there is no cartouche or any other indicator of year of manufacture.
Probably just got sanded off during refurbishment, or after it left military service. These rifles have been in civilian hands so long if a stock was sanded 100+ years ago how would you tell if it was done officially or by a civilian? The serial will at least tell the approximate production date of the rifle.
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Slightly off-topic question: Does anyone know why yuros often use/used peep sights on their target sporters but not their hunting sporters? I've been shopping around for converted milsurp and this situation has me scratching my head a little bit given that aperture sights are quite popular in burgerland among the crowd who hunts with irons. Obviously you wouldn't want to bang around an expensive sight walking through the forest but aperture sights generally out-perform iron sights across the board, have a long history in European shooting (especially with scheutzen rifles in the 19th and early 20th century, at the same time that bolt actions were being refined and the leaf sights we still have today with them) and they can be made both robust and economical. Is it just because most shooters in yurop in the 20th century were trained on Mausers and Mauser accessories? Are/were aperture sights more popular in the UK where Enfields are more likely to show up? Is it just "tradition"?
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>>53572456
>Unless you have a WW1 Springfield with a WW1 barrel
Do you not?
>from a period accuracy perspective, buying an M1 bayonet.
The M1905E1 bayonet wasn't a thing until February of 1943, and the M1 bayonet wasn't adopted until April of that year. Basically the end of the M1903's service life.
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>>53572576
>given that aperture sights are quite popular in burgerland among the crowd who hunts with irons.
Do you mean in a modern context? Historically I think perhaps aperture sights were fractionally more popular on American sporting rifles compared to European ones, but the vast majority of American sporting rifles still came from the factory with open sights.
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>>53572726
>Do you not?
Mine is a '42 re-barrel
>Basically the end of the 03s service life
But if your rifle saw use in WW2 it more than likely ended up with an M1 bayonet on it during that time, and there's a good chance it was still in use by MPs and Shore Patrol through Korea.
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>>53572770
>Do you mean in a modern context?
Both.

>Historically I think perhaps aperture sights were fractionally more popular on American sporting rifles compared to European ones,
That's what I'm trying to find out, and what I've found so far makes me think that Americans used them way more. However, I can't seem to even find a discussion on the subject.

>but the vast majority of American sporting rifles still came from the factory with open sights.
And meanwhile aftermarket sights made by Lyman (est. 1878), Redfield (1909), Marble (1892), etc. were listed in the catalogs right next to the rifles and were very popular with hunters in the US from the 1880s until scopes took over. Even today there are a number of different companies making new aperture sights and systems and many vintage models still command a pretty penny online from people who want to use them as opposed to collect them. Open irons are almost always "good enough" (as hundreds of millions of dead rabbits/buffalo/indians/soldiers/etc. will attest to) but people who wanted to shoot larger game and/or smaller game at longer ranges frequently installed an aperture sight of some description. On the other hand, I have never seen a picture of a European (as in, owned and operated in Europe - not an export to the US) hunting rifle with an aftermarket aperture sight and all of the ones I've seen that came with them stock were sporterized or sporters while almost every gun store specializing in older guns has at least one piece of milsurp that grandpa slapped a Lyman on for deer hunting. It's possible that I could be way off the mark and yuros used/use aperture sights as much as Americans do but everything I've seen seems to indicate that Europeans didn't/don't embrace aperture sights when hunting with irons compared to Americans and I've been wondering why that is. I figured if anyone would know, it would be this thread.
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>>53570694
They're great rifles and accurate enough that you'll understand why someone would want a scope on it. Get it and have a gunsmith install an old side mount for a detachable scope and buy some old 3~5x Weaver or Pecar scope.
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>>53559925
Unfortunately, there are several houses that would be an unintentional back stop and police would be called.
>>53559976
That's rough, the only thing closer to me are some 25yd indoor ranges which feels like a waste for full rifle calibers.
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>>53571558
>Is it drilled and tapped on both receiver rings?
Yes, someone drilled right through "Gustafs"
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>>53483899
Dunno bro, its up to you. I think $200 for a carcano and $200 for 200 rounds of 6.6x52mm is really a good deal. I don't know of a milsurp gun that one can acquire for cheaper than that. The only issue is that 6.5x52mm is like $1.25/round where I live. Thats a bit expensive as far as milsurp ammunition goes. 8mm mauser is like a $1/round and 7.62x54R is like $0.50-$0.75/round.
So if youre just looking at getting the carcano shooting the 200 rounds and then not shooting it that often, I'd say absolutely go for it.
If you're looking for a plinking rifle to put 2,000 rounds through, definitely go with the Mosin 91/30 like the other anons said.
>>53489729
$600 for a nugget and 200 rounds is a lot anon.
I payed $400 for a nice condition hex receiver, with the smoothest bolt of any nugget I've handled. I wouldn't pay that much for your typical round receiver 91/30.
>>53499447
>PPU doesn't even make the right ammo for them at all
I've been running PPU ammo through my Moschetto and I haven't had any issues.
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20 hours left on my auction wish me luck milsurpchads
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>>53583335
>inb4 Billy goes full Boomer and snipes your bid
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>>53568114
>"""odorless""" and the fumes are worse than any other cleaning product I've ever used.
Lol try gasoline
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>>53571006
>Should I search the serial or is there any better way of finding the year of manufacture?
Sorry. Are you implying this is an arduous task?
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Went to the local gun show today and it's the last one until fall. Mostly saw the usual but every M91/30 was $500+. Saw a nice Danish Rolling block for $850 though I don't feel like I'm quite set up to reload 11.7x51R. Hope to pick up some FAL mags next time I go in the fall.
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>>53572515
>>53583624
After looking at this and comparing the serial, I'm getting an 1874 manufacture. Probably gonna offer $750 and see if the consigner bites.
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>>53438639
Fucking awesome.
Kraken and Cherry Fentimans Cola.
Relaxing watching Forgotten Weapons and weighing up if I should take my brother and his friends on a airsoft thing or just take my brother out to hunt Stag when he eventually gets married.

I'm leaning on Stag hunting
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>>53583335
Good luck anon!
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>>53583335
Tried very hard to find this auction and snipe but couldn't locate.

Good luck anon
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>>53583335
>20 hours left on my auction
more then enough time for the blanket to scope it up.
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New surp soon.
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>>53590555
dikarov
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Picked up a Type 38 Arisaka. Her mums intact.
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>>53500854
>Type 56
Gross
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New Bodeo
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>>53595575
And a antique at that.
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>>53583335
Mine now
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>>53594287
that fucking stock
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>>53594287
'the fuck is going on with that butt stock?
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>>53598383
Looks like someone made it into a free shooting rifle.
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>>53594287
Anon, can I get a close up on dat butt? The other side of it, and also the receiver.
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>>53500854
How'd you get it into the country?
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>>53546775
Ok im revisiting the idea, how retarded does this sound
buy an m96 sporter, buy an m96 stock
cut down both to make a ghetto 94 carbine
sporter already has the bent bolt but the twist rate would be fucked and I wouldnt know how to mount a front sight, should be 260 for the rifle 100 for the stock
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>>53598793
Don't butcher a perfectly good stock you retard
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>>53598793
Just buy a 6.5x55mm sporting rifle Anon; you'll have spent less money in the end.
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>>53598793
dont be a nigger. Or at least do it with a repo stock.
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Hey this quick map I made of "what country bought what caliber from Mauser" any omissions or mistakes?
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>>53598470
>>53594287
I love those old professionally converted target rifles.
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Are there any good 7x57 sporters out there? All that's on gunbroker are "Oviedo sporters" and given that they sell for like $250 I am extremely skeptical if one would be worth what I pay for it.
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>>53601106
It's the top handguard that does it, that's where the soul is located.
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>>53438288
Are there any lever nugget owners ITT? If so I kindly ask you to dump as many pictures of it as possible
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>>53600636
Ethiopia, Syria, Iraq, and Turkey all bought Mausers in 8mm. El Salvador and Costa Rica also bought small numbers of Mausers, I assume in 7x57 but I’m not 100% sure
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>>53600636

As in ONLY from Mauser? Or any Mauser from Europe?

Granted the map is modern South Africa but it should be in 7x57 for the Boers since it was an actual purchase.

Ethiopia should be in 8mm Mauser
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>>53601376
>Buying sporterized guns
>ever

Don't be a retard.
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>>53602770
yeah i figured only from Mauser for now, but i could maybe throw in like FN, Steyr, or czech exports to
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>>53600636
Didn’t the ottomans buy 7.65x53mm rifles when Mauser first offered them for export?
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>>53600636
Maybe a series with different years, starting at 189x, then 193x and 195x to show how some changed calibers to modernize their Mausers, and some didn't?
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What's the bullet weight and velocity for Brazilian 7x57 ammunition?
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>>53599181
Greek mannlichwr and 1903 spotter? I’m jelly anon.
>>53536828
I never bothered to get a C&R because I like my FFL.
Hooe in the wall type place that uses a wood stove and stupid cheap transfers. Got a lot of old gun books from the place Angie really cheap too and always interesting stuff in stock.
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>>53602130
iirc /k/aptbilly has one
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>>53600636
Is this supposed to be "what country used cartridges designed by Mauser/designed for use in Mauser rifles" or "what country bought rifles directly from Mauser"? If it's the latter I don't think Norway really bought Mauser rifles except for probably some trials guns, and if you want to include trials guns the list would get retarded pretty quickly.
>>53603230
I assume you're lumping in other German manufacturers like Loewe/DWM with Waffenfabrik Mauser?
>>53604340
Yeah; it's already on the map.
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>>53605118
basically yeah im going with "what countries bought rifles from Mauser" and yeah im including loewe and dwm
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>>53602815
You'd prefer I sporterized one myself? Because that's why I'm looking for sporters. I've been hunting for a mountain rifle with irons and in 7x57 at an amenable price both online and at every store and gun show I come across for the better part of a year now with no results so I'm looking at rolling my own. I'd be happy to start from a matched bolt and receiver combo but those are kind of a pain to find as well and most of the potential donor rifles I come across are either hideously overpriced, in poor condition and/or have historical value that I'm not about to shit on. Hence my question about the quality of sporters. Gunbroker has a huge number of grubby, beaten-up Spanish sporters in 7x57 and if the actions are good I might end up coming out ahead price-wise compared to buying a barreled action plus I won't have to wait forever for one to come into stock somewhere. $250 for the gun plus another $600 or so for a new barrel and set triggers and a stock and the labor I can't do myself seems pretty reasonable if I end up with a rifle exactly how I want it at the end.
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I want a Steyr-Hahn bros, I’m a sucker for anything fed by a clip
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Gonna try to order my cmp garand this week also my geha came back alright with my wz 29 next to it for comparison
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>>53554393
Haha I did this too recently. But I broke more than one...live and learn.
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>>53598555
Coming through if you’re still here. It’s a Kokura, and when I bought it I wasn’t expecting it to be so different from some of the other 38 stocks I’ve seen
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>>53598555
I’m assuming you wanted to see this part, but let me know if you want more pics. I’m just getting into collecting the jap weapons and this is my first 38 purchase so I’d be interested in your thoughts
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Anyone seen a nose cap like this before?
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>>53605457
Buy a new gun in not 7mm Mauser. Or just use a regular Mauser in 7x57 that hasn't been ruined.
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>>53606578
Looks Indian
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>>53606669
Yes, very much Indian. It is on a 1966 Ishapore 2a1
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>>53597007
Nice job anon.

Surprise surp!
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>>53600636
The 6.5x58 Verguiero isn't a Mauser.
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>>53597007
Nice.
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>>53602130
That's a big ask. But I'll post a couple.
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>>53600636
>no 30-06
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>>53597007
Now that you've got it what auction was it and how much did you get it for?
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>>53606445
That 'mum has been cancelled.

>>53600636
>>53605437
Luxembourg in 6.5x55mm, Costa Rica in 7x57mm. Serbia should also be 7x57mm since all Yugoslavia's 8x57mm rifles came from domestic production or CZ-Brno. Poland and Czechoslovakia also produced their rifles domestically rather than contracting from the Mauser/OWG/DWM cartel. If they're going going to be on there you should also include countries that bought Mausers from Zastava, CZ & FN like Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Morocco, Netherlands, Israel, Iraq, Syria, Greece.
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>>53606639
>Buy a new gun in not 7mm Mauser.
I'm also in the market for a rifle in 7x64. In fact, if I was going to built one up from an action that would be what I would go with.

>Or just use a regular Mauser in 7x57 that hasn't been ruined.
I'm looking for a total weight of <6.5lb with double set triggers and a 22" barrel in synthetic furniture; got any suggestions for milsurp that fits the bill? Luv me some antique wood but I'm not about to subject something that has survived this long to the constant pissing rain of the PNW and Alaska and would be leery about doing it to new wood as well.
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>>53606423
OK, this was done by someone after the war to turn it into a sporter. The person doing it didn't understand why the Japanese had the butt stock done in two separate pieces in the first place, which was the have the grain going a different direction strengthening it. They also added a top part for the cheek.

>>53606445
Mum has been defaced by the Japanese government. GI's usually either left the mum intact as a spoil of war, or after the war had the mum grounded off or x'd out to meet with the agreement between the Empire of Japan and the US on the imperial crest.

The three pattern ball defacement on the mum was typically done by the Japanese government, when the gun left service, and no longer belonged to the emperor. Such as the guns being sold to allied nations, or given to schools, civil service, etc.

I hope you didn't pay too much for it.
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>>53607291
Local internet auction, $650, my max was $700.
>>53607012
Thank
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>>53605437
Siam bought Mausers? I thought they ordered a custom rifle inspired by Mausers from the Japanese government.

Steyr made Mauser copies. Used by Austria-Hungary and then Austria used Mausers from Germany in WW2.
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>>53607979
>Siam bought Mausers? I thought they ordered a custom rifle inspired by Mausers from the Japanese government.
Mauser produced a version of the 98 for rimmed cartridges, but only Thailand bought it in any significant amount, and they bought theirs from the Japanese Army's Tokyo Artillery Arsenal because it was cheaper and more conveniently located.
>Austria used Mausers from Germany in WW2.
Austria was Germany in WW2.
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>>53607912
Congrats anon. Post crest pics when you get it.
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>>53607889
Thanks for the info. Fortunately no, I didn’t pay too much for it. I have a traditional 38 stock sitting around, I wonder if I could replace it. I’ve got the plate elsewhere but there’s some barely visible kanji there
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>>53607889
Here’s a pic of the writing
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>>53607584
Yeah you’re right I didn’t even notice! I just compared it to my 99 and wasn’t aware of the three circle defacement.
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>>53611342
My own defaced mum was half assed
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>>53607584
ok checked to see what countries were mainly pre ww2, as that is kinda what i want to have as my arbitrary mark for this. I think this is about 90% correct
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>>53611253
見本 Sample
With the circle where the drill hole goes and the a black box on the top side (sometimes Arisaka stocks have a hole in that spot for some reason) I think this might have been used to keep stocks in spec in the factory.

I wouldn't do anything to it.
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>>53612567
Austria had the 1912s. Japan got vz24s for their navy, same with Romania. All the Caribbean got one flavor or another of Mauser.
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>>53612567
>pre-WW2
I would add Greece with their FN Model 1930 and Portugal with their Mauser m/937 and m/937a, all in 7.92x57mm.
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>>53613709
Thanks anon
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>>53613911
know what caliber those japanese and romanian navy contracts were?
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>>53614692
Romania was for army, not navy. Both Japanese and Romanian contracts were 7.92x57mm. You can also add 7x57mm to China because they bought Model 1893s during the Qing era as well as Vz.24s and FN Mausers in 7x57mm during the Warlord Era. The Qing also ordered a special 6.8x57mm cartridge for their first Model 98 derivative (the M1907) but IIRC none of those 6.8mm rifles were delivered because of payment issues and the outbreak of WW1 saw them getting sequestered by Germany and re-chambered to 7.92x57mm.
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>>53614839
thanks, i think this is about as close i can get as a quick cheat sheet
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I need more Mousers anons.
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>>53615491
Looking good.
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>>53615517
Need some Red, White, and Blue Mausers.
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Whats the difference between the FN m24/m30 and the k98? they look the same except how the sling gets attached
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>>53616583
Kar98k has a 14.88% damage bonus against hebrews
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>>53616583
off the top of my head, it also has a straight bolt handle and you could also order it in other cartridges
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>>53616583
>Whats the difference between the FN m24/m30 and the k98? they look the same except how the sling gets attached
The FN Model 1924 has a big difference compared to the Kar.98k. It uses an intermediate-length Mauser 98-based action with the bolt face recessed into the chamber face, a feature first introduced on the Mauser Model 1910 for Serbia but not really used by anything else but the M1910 until post-WW1, when FN for some reason decided to use that feature in their M98-based action for commercial sales. It might have something to do with trying to entice sales from the new Kingdom of Yugoslavia. What this means is that a bolt, receiver or barrel from a FN M24 won't interchange with a bolt from any other standard-length M98-based rifle (like the Gew.98, Vz.24, Kar.98k etc.)

What FN discovered when trying to sell new rifles in the 1920s and 1930s is that everyone who already had a bunch of surplus ex-German rifles from WW1 didn't want this new kind of bolt because it meant they couldn't use one set of spare parts for all their rifles. So FN was losing out in sales to CZ-Brno and later to Mauser themselves. So they introduced a conventional standard-length M98-based rifle and called it the Model 1930. It had more success.

You could order the M24 or M30 with whatever sling arrangement you wanted if you paid a little more, but most countries just didn't care to do that.

Otherwise the FN M24 had a full-length handguard that covered the whole top of the barrel, but the M30 handguard only covered the barrel from the receiver to the lower barrel band. Again, FN would do the full-length handguard on the M30 if you paid for it, but hardly anyone did (Lithuania being the sole exception IIRC). The Kar.98k has the very short little handguard of the Gew.98, which only goes from lower barrel band to rear sight.

Mauser offered all these features as options on their own rifles, but hardly anyone was willing to pay the extra cost over an off-the-line Kar.98k.
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>>53615491
Realized you should add Iran –Vz.24, Vz.98/29, Vz.30, FN M24 all in 7.92x57mm– and Lithuania's FN M24L also in 7.92x57mm.
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>>53606578
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Where in the actual fuck do I buy a G1 FAL sling? Someone please sell one to me.
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>>53616988
Interesting. So, aside from the stock, are most of the parts of the FN m30 and the K98k interchangeable?

And if I got a FN m24 with a barrel thats shot to shit can it be replaced with k98 barrel in the same caliber?
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>>53617849
>Interesting. So, aside from the stock, are most of the parts of the FN m30 and the K98k interchangeable?
The stock is actually interchangeable too, but the M30 handguard might not fit around the Kar.98k's rear sight base because the sight base has a flange at the front to hold down the rear of the 98k handguard. Bolt parts, barrels, magazine body/triggerguard, sear, trigger, bolt stop, ejector all interchangeable.
>And if I got a FN m24 with a barrel thats shot to shit can it be replaced with k98 barrel in the same caliber?
That I'm not entirely certain on that; I think the standard M98 barrel can go on a M24 and function with the M24 bolt but not vise-versa. The problem is that to get the bolt face to recess into the chamber face requires removing these little tabs that project forward on the left side of the standard M98 bolt face. Those tabs prevent a standard 98 bolt from fitting into the chamber face of the M24 barrel because they hit the bolt face and prevent the bolt from going forward far enough to lock into battery.

Pic related, a standard-length M98 bolt, a intermediate-length Turkish M1903 bolt, and a intermediate-length FN M24 bolt. They also removed material from the front of the M24's extractor claw to help it recess.
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>>53607046
Thanks senpai, how is the bore on it? And have you managed to track down a bayonet?
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>>53618061
thanks for the info
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>>53617013
Oh thanks, yeah i somehow uncolored Iran in all of this, I had them on their originally
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>>53618640
Is there a professional poster of the world's Mausers? I would definitely buy that.
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>>53618640
What were Lichtenstein, San Marino, Luxemburg, Andorra, Morocco, and Liberia using in the first half of the 20th century?
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>>53618640
>>53618885
>The Luxembourg Model 1900 Mauser was manufactured in a very limited production run at the end of the Swedish contract at Mauser Oberndorf. The rifle's caliber is 6.5x55 same as the Swedish Mauser. But a couple/few differences set it apart, aside from the unique serial number prefix "L" and different proof marks. According to Mauser Bolt Action Rifles of the World by Robt. Ball 4th edition: estimates less than 5,000 produced.
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>>53618952
oh if you zoom in yeah i do have the tiny luxembourg colored green
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>>53618847
if there was it would have made making this map alot easier. A family tree of Mausers starting and the m71 and going forward would also be pretty cool
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>>53619096
oh, I didn't see it, its hard to make out a green dot that's flanked by blue on one side and yellow on the other. It'd make more sense to place a large dot that's not to scale.
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Emergency bump
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>>53618640
>>53619208
I halfway started a project to timeline South American mausers and have accompanying maps. I gotta get going on it again.
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I’ve got my eye on this Astra. What you guys think? Looks like a decent buy but I’m no expert. Anything to look out for when I’m inspecting it?


https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/pistols/astra-pistols/astra-model-1921-40-400-41-.cfm?gun_id=101818820
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