Were they underequipped? Would a different rifle would have made the difference in this ambush? Where they outgunned? Outsmarted? Undertrained? What could they have done differently that would have changed the outcome?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMuFyzvv9Xw
instead of disabling radios they thought would be captured they should just have Apple or Amazon put secret spy ware on them to both track locations and listen in the enemy, and have a special channel so the enemy THINKS he is spying on you but you are feeding him bad intel.Shit like how your intel figured out the commander is being cucked by his son and how the 3rd in command is really a fag and got his guys killed to cover that up, etc.
>>51183644Engage their monkey brains and not just do braindead battledrill 4 without taking into account that the enemy might know what to expect. Probably just leave the killzone and reassess.
like uh not get shot
>>51183644Outgunned and outmannedLitterally wouldn’t have died if they just left with the rest of the convoy
>>51183644they should have kept driving. It's really that simple.
>>51183644Not fought for ZOG
>>51184461It's been a while, but isn't the standard drill for a far ambush to get the fuck out of the kill zone, not stop and start shooting back?
>>51184954No you’re supposed to return fire immediately but I don’t know if the battle drill accounts for the ambush being twice as large as your convoy
>>51184964Stop and return fire? Seems like a good way to get chopped up in detail. The advantage of being in a vehicle is mobility and movement. What if this was a complex ambush?
>>51183644No, just outnumbered by an enormous horde of angry Ooga Boogas.
>>51183644better yet, why didn't they just run like fuck as soon as they realized they were getting swarmed? it seems like they pointlessly stuck around for way longer than necessary
>>51184461>>51184954>>51184964>>51185062Everyone seems to forget that they weren’t really “ambushed”. The initial contact was a few pop shots from AKs behind them as they were driving away. It wasn’t until they dismounted and started manoeuvring back towards the village that they realised they were already being flanked by an additional 40-50 guys mounted on vehicles and by then it was too late to break contact properly.
Notice one of those guys has a grease gun and another guy retrieves it. Looks rattlecanned black.They forgot about covered exfil. Beckwith was SAS trained, funny that is not part if their curriculum.
>>51185391Hmmm good point. Was this actually intentional? Rather than opening up on a patrol, have just a couple guys start shooting from far away to see if you can induce a dismounted assault.
Hit the deck and go prone, then take aimed shots; men spaced apart.Literally standard in open terrain.
not use their phone to ask for help
>>51183644>What Could They Have Done Differently?A better question is why were they chasing a cigarette smuggler in south africa?
>>51183644>Were they underequipped?Yes>Would a different rifle would have made the difference in this ambush? no>Where they outgunned? Based on the footage, yes, heavily. >Outsmarted? Yes, they also failed to read the situation as it developed. As they arrived at the village where their HVT was supposed to be, a large group of men left on motorcycles. These men would return shortly after and start shooting at them. >Undertrained? I can't speak to each man's training, but they were certainly under-prepared. >What could they have done differently that would have changed the outcome?Gotten the hell out of there once engaged. Originally the mission they were sent on wasn't supposed to be for them, it was for a better-prepared group which was reassigned to them after they had left base on what was supposed to be a routine patrol. So they were basically Shanghaied into it without adequate preparation.
>>51183644>negro flee's the scene at contact and runs away>3rd man gets hit and goes down>2 remaining leave muh battle buddy behind >2nd to last man gets shot in the back running away>last man gets shot in the back running away and cries and screams like a absolute bitch before being shot to deathServing the zog aside, and their failed larp, they could of at least taken it like men instead of like the absolute mutt bitches they were.
>>51186934>cries and screams like a absolute bitchI don’t know if this cope but I read that isis adds fake screams for propaganda purposesIt doesn’t sound far fetched as from every video I’ve seen of people getting shot I’ve never heard screams like that before
>>51183644>Would a different rifle would have made the difference in this ambush?Unless this different rifle is firing high-explosive, auto-homing, fire and forget ammo with some sort of off-bore sighting capability, no, having different rifles would not have made the slightest bit of difference in the outcome. Your equipment, your weapon, your training, doesn't actually mean all that much when there's just 4 of you and about 10x that many of the enemy, and you don't have any fire support, decent cover, or the element of surprise, and your enemy knows the terrain and has prepared an ambush. Making your gun go bang in the enemy's direction is the easy part. Do you seriously believe that if the guys in ODA 3212 had been better marksmen, that would have been what tipped the scales in their favor?
>>51187115It's bullshit that Redditors on /r/CombatFootage endlessly repeat. Americans think their soldiers are superheroes who don't scream or cry when they get shot
>>51186934Let’s see you get shot and do any better, rabbi
>>51185391They got fucked over by people who know what their reaction to light contact would be because they read manuals.
I think they got setup by their own command. Yes I wear tinfoil hats, and no you can't do anything to stop me. But seriously look into the fuckery that lead to this happening. Did you know they had air surveillance that just happening to get redirected away from them right before this went down?
>>51187115>I don’t know if this cope but I read that isis adds fake screams for propaganda purposesWell it seems the french did a raid on some terrorist leader in the region and recovered the gopro and full (45min), unaltered footage. It's in the hand of the Army now. Probably won't realease it tho...
>>51188641>gopro and full (45min), unaltered footage.https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2021/11/10/new-camera-footage-from-niger-ambush-bolsters-case-for-medal-upgrades-moms-of-fallen-soldiers-say/Not much info available. And it comes from the families...
>>51188613Or how about when the friendly Niger forces showed up for backup, they friendly fired on our boys. They always leave that part out of the "tactical breakdowns"
>>51185391They were ambushed but in a very elaborate way. Obviously their enemies knew which reaction was to expect (battledrill 4) so they tricked the convoy into performing the "destroy ambush" reaction type by just attacking part of it. It was very likely not a coincidence but rather a very elaborate plan by a competent enemy force. That all is under the assumption, that the official story is a truthful depiction of events.
Here's an older story about it. The bait terror attack was an interesting angle.https://www.voanews.com/a/new-details-emerge-about-attack-that-killed-us-soldiers-in-niger/4080617.htmlhttp://archive.is/DLScm>"These Nigerien soldiers are part of a security and intelligence battalion that has been trained by the U.S. forces during several U.S.-led training exercises known as Flintlock," said Moussa Aksar, director of the newspaper l'Évènement in Niamey, and a terrorism specialist in the Sahel.>The soldiers were trying to track down an accomplice of Abu Adnan al-Sahraoui, a former member of the Movement for Unity and Jihad in West Africa (MUJAO), who joined the Islamic State terror group in the Sahara Desert.>For his part, Mayor Hassane said, “The attackers, the bandits, the terrorists have never lacked accomplices among local populations.”>A fake terror attack attracted the soldiers to a trap outside the village, where about 50 assailants in vehicles and motorcycles armed with Kalashnikovs and heavy weapons opened fire on them. Four Nigerien soldiers and three Americans were killed on the spot. The body of the fourth American soldier was found 48 hours later, about a mile away from the initial site, CNN reported.>Since the attack, Tongo-Tongo village chief Mounkaila Alassane has been arrested, and there is no information on his whereabouts.
>>51187115>screams fakeIts hard to tell. Whole footage as released by ISIS has a nasheed playing over original sounds, including what appears to be some of their dialogue during the battle. Its kind of muffled and low quality, at some point right after the screams the sounds of battle stop, we dont hear nog jihadists approaching the last guy, nor the finishing shots, the impact of which is shown by his head camera.
get spooked at retreat to defensible position ?that said a proper ambush will be waiting along along any potential line of retreat
>>51184705from what I remember, they dismounted to engage before realizing exactly what they were up against due to the way the enemy was behind the forest to the east.once they say it they said 'oh shit we're fucked' and most of their deaths were trying to disengage once they realized how bad it was.
>>51185391Same deal with operation red wings. There really is no counter to an enemy that choses when and where to fight without you being aware of any danger.
Was there any sort of retaliation for this? Losing normal infantry in a declared war is one thing, but I imagine the US has a pretty vested interested in making sure the Green Berets don't get lured into ambushes like this again.
>>51188613Why would their command set them up?
>>51184428What does this even mean?
>>51185391>The initial contact was a few pop shots from AKs behind them as they were driving away. It wasn’t until they dismounted and started manoeuvring back towards the village>DismountedWhy the fuck!??!
>>51189200To justify building that Airfield in Niger and authorize large scale operations.
>>51189377Read battledrill 4.
>>51183644had air support
>>51189377>>51189518Battle drill 4 assumes you can actually win, if it's totally lopsided it just gets you killed fasterThey should have stepped on the gas and whoever makes it out wins a prize
>>51189518>>51189541Most standard SOPs were just drive away while saying lol they can't hit you with a shitty AK especially when moving fast and far away dismounting into the unknown is smooth brain tier and that's what got them got
>>51189541Yes, they should have. There was obviously misjudgement involved. But you can derive what happened from US army doctrine.I think that the militia actually initiated on just a part of the convoy with sporadic fire to trigger exactly the response they got. For some reason a lot of people on this board think that those people do not know what they are doing. They do.
I can understand smashing up encrypted radio sets if you think you are about to be captured but why not keep some cheap piece of shit capable of transmitting on guard? it wouldn't have stopped them getting ambushed but the Mirages that showed up at the end could have easily wasted those militants rather than letting them escape if they had contact with ground forces.
>>51189532The only way zogbots ever have a chance
>>51189639Do you have any meaningful experience with using radios?
>>51183644Not entrusting their lives in the native force, which was populated by 80iq subhumans.
>>51184954Apparently what happened was the black guy told all the militants the schedule of his team's patrols and helped them plan the ambush by telling them what tactics should be used. He was a traitor or something.
>>51184954It all depends. There is a doctrinal answer to that which you can look up, but SOPs might differ.
Spec ops were way more widely deployed than was known. They were probably operating on, or beyond the limits of what they legally were able to.They needed to clear the air and authorize wide scale deployment and get funding for drone bases and shit like that.Tragedies are ultimately what moves democracies. Our boys got set up.
>>51189844But nothing happened as a result of the defeat. There was no surge in the region. No blank cheque given to the seals, socom or the green berets. Nothing happened.
>>51189844I don't know which MiC mob you work for but get your fucking hands off my tax money you filthy fucking thief
>>51189866>In a United Nations Security Council meeting on 30 October, US ambassador Nikki Haley pledged $60 million towards a new counterterrorism force in West Africa.
Idk but they died straight out of a call of duty cinematic
>>51189887$60 million is a drop in the bucket, anon, nothing but a few bribes would get done there
they got ZOGGED
>>51189996I just support our troops thats all
>>51190006>support our troops thats allI want them to get their filthy thieving fucking rat hands out of my pockets and off my tax money too
>>51183644Leason 1: Don't work with locals. Don't supply them with data about future operations, don't rely on their support. Do everything by .Lesson 2. Don't do raids without air support on station.