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Are BP weapons descent ?
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>>51166431
Yeah
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Maybe
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>>51166440

even from an American's point of view ?
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>>51166431
They are fun as fuck and smokemogging ARGniggers at the range is only second to sound mogging them with a braked .300WM
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>>51166456

> top, Winchester, correct ?

nice 1851, replica I guess ?
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>>51166452
mostly just toys or bypass felony laws or hobby or hunting restrictions. its pretty much those 4 unless someone has another. larping maybe but that goes into hobby
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>>51166483

kek, a US felon has the same rights as a clean European citizen, what a clown world.
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The first repeating rifle was invented in late 1600's by Danish engineers. It would almost take a 200 years gape to introduce a similar technology and make it mainstream.
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>>51166624
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>>51166431
descent fromt what!?
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>>51166501
dont live in europe also fuck off were full
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>>51166431
yeah
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>>51166483
larping is indeed a hobby
>t.larper
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>>51166483
restrictive states where you cant be bothered to grovel at the police chiefs feet for a foid card
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>>51166743

decent*
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>>51166501
European citizens don't have rights.
They have protections, not rights.
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>>51166744

Fear not, I shan't deal with cross-dresser bathrooms or Black history month.
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>>51166810

"Protections" would be meaningful if our sates were governed by foreign powers, like puppet states would be.
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>>51166476
>replica
Nope
>1876 in .40-60
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Are brass frame BP weapons as bad long term as I've seen in some places online?

>"The first replicas and many of those in the current marketplace were and are plagued with indifferent and absent quality control and manufacturing standards. Inconsistent tolerances, poorly fitted actions and brittle springs and action parts make for expensive paperweights rather than shootable firearms. It is not unusual to find original Colt and Remington revolvers (from the 1860's) still functioning after a century and a half. It is equally common to encounter Italian replicas that are non-functional at the onset or break down after firing a few shots. Importers complain of poor response to gun orders and unavailable spare parts for repair. Shooters learn by experience and word of mouth about the negative factors that go unreported in the industry-driven periodicals and books on muzzleloading."

>"The same situation exists with replicas of Confederate revolvers- close variations of the Whitney and Colt designs. Many of them have brass frames and are more suited as curios or collectibles than high volume shooters."

>"The industry publications gush on about the joys of blackpowder shooting but fail to mention that the shooter must become a gunsmith in training."
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>>51166776
thats a good point but at that point even using one youll be butt sexed
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>>51166431
Anon since you're french fag you should get some proper Cat D armes de poing instead
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>>51166431
They're gun autism incarnate, they're the best and I love them
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>>51167413
Probably 50/50 something about stretching.
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>>51166431
Not compared to what you could get instead
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>>51167508
>What is ammo.
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>>51167523
That 380 revlver can take 38 spl cases, you're shooting black powder anyways
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>>51167523
buy pick related and shoot 44 russian from it
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>>51167594
Reichsrevolvers are sexy, even if they are fucking huge (especially the 1879)
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>>51167535
>>51167594
I think you underestimate just how monstrously lazy I am. And I dont live where whatever rubles or pesos that is
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>>51167413
Theoretically they stretch out if you overcharge them. The reality is that unless you shoot them A LOT then it isn't going to be a whole lot of stretching.
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>>51167446
can confirm muzzleloaders gave me autism
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>>51167685
thats what my mom said if you know what i mean
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>>51166431
unless youre a felon or hunting in muzzleloader season you're not going to be buying a bp gun for its effectiveness. they are fun as fuck and that's all that matters, so get one and make some smoke
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>>51166624
>gape
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>>51168194
actually il have you know a double barrel shotgun is pretty fucking effective even more so with paper cartridges
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>>51166431
post them docking if you know, you know
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>>51168250
one of them is already topless
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>>51168286
shhhhit youre right. I need to look closer, brb. hold my calls
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>>51168368
i cant even stay hard unless my pornos have gun play
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No, the bullet goes up when it leaves the barrel
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>>51168565
who are you replying to?
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I just bought a pietta 1851 navy but I already have an old ASM walker. I'm curious as to how well the the brass frame on the navy will hold up but all the advice suggests not overcharging it will prolong the usable life of it. Any idea how manu many shots roughly you can get from a pound of powder?
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>>51169227
Look just read the manual and do that shit. its not a gun you are going to pass onto your kids and grandkids.
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I have a Euroarms 1851 Navy. Old gun, Euroarms is long gone. I need a grip for it, just the wood part. Uberti I know doesn't fit, and neither does the whole grip assembly. How boned am I?
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>>51169490
I'd recommend a local knife maker. Just mention your need and it'll be as easy as making a wooden knife handle.
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>>51169533
That's a great idea I hadn't thought of. Thanks!
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>>51169551
Just make sure you get a itemized receipt if you leave the grip frame with them
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According to the manual, when loading my 1851 I pour 15 grains of powder, put in a wad, then the bullet. The wad is there to avoid empty space in the chamber between the powder and the bullet.
The capnball guy has a video about paper cartridges for that gun, where he puts 15 grains of powder and the bullet. Why is there no concern for empty space in the chamber when using paper cartridges?
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>>51169277
Idk my armi san marco is already 40 years old so its entirely possible that it gets handed down.
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>>51170153
Yeah I'd also appreciate a QRD on empty space between powder and projectile. I've heard that it can cause kabooms, is that true or just fuddlore? And is it different with smokeless?
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Another question, would it be possible to create AP ammo if one could cast a tungsten hardened core and jacket it with soft lead? Velocity would still be low, but it can be increased a bit with combat loading. Would that be enough, but more importantly, would your regular BP revolver reliably fire this kind of projectile?
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>>51166870
If you're in the EU that's a totally appropriate term.
t. frog
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>>51170217
>And is it different with smokeless?
Yes, because if you want to be real simplified about it, it's easiest to think of smokeless as a propellant, and black powder as an explosive.
You do need some form of compression. 15g is on the low end for the 1851, you could do 20 and probably skip any wadding; or you could do 15g and use whatever you want as a wad, even some balled up napkin if you want.
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>>51167413
Frame warping is a meme. A cheapo BP revolver will wear put long before and meaningful warping will ever happen unless you put thousands of rounds through it or drastically over-charge it.
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>>51166431
They're the only good guns out there
Anything else is a kike gimmick since they have complete control over the manufacture of smokeless powder and they can just cut off the supply of it to the civilian population if they don't like how the goyim are behaving
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>>51170153
>15gn
What is this lawyer load shit?
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>>51166431
bump
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>>51170153
I shoot 25 grains (volume) of 777. Mines been fine for over 200 rounds.
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>>51167446
Can confirm, literally have autism
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>>51168585
ah hes harmless leave him alone.
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So, Frenchies, what is the verdict on pic related?
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>>51172578
>What is this lawyer load shit?
Lmao what a fun way to put it. But that's really what the manual tells me. My gun, which is my first, and I'm a nogunz europoor, is a Pietta 1851 Navy in .44.
But I saw today that I can do 25gr paper cartridges with that. Still, my first question holds. Does the paper the cartridge is rolled in account for the empty space?
>>51173872
I heard the powder is overcompressed and misfires and late fires (long feux?) are to be expected. Just hearsays!
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>>51174088
>misfires and late fires are to be expected
merci
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They are inferior in a gunfight at any decent range where someone can just magdump 9mm at you but point blank they are downright deadly
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Kinda want to start mixing my own powder for maximum smoke. Anyone got experience with this?
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>>51174222
Some anon once asked in a BPG about tracer bullets, and another linked a craft fireworks hobby website. Sorry I don't have a link, can't find it. But maybe you could look this way.
>>51174167
De rien DGSI.
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>>51174222
>>51174397
That was probably me. Ive got a kit from Skylighter I'll be using in the spring. I also found a nice set of videos detailing production
https://youtu.be/5WZ_Fe4PqLw
Godspeed, lots of people make their own.
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>>51174480
You'll be shooting tracers? If you can take videos, make a thread afterwards!
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>>51167439
thank you but that gun is actually Cat B, just checked it.
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>>51174397
>>51174480
Thanks bros
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>>51174543
Not unless I can get special permissions from the shooting range. They aren't totally shitty, though, they just kinda shrugged when I set up a bunch of sandbags and shot 3d printed cases in my snider.
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>>51173654
You have to adjust for volume with 777. You're actually shooting closer to 30 grains there, be careful.
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>>51170217
>>51170153
Wads really aren’t necessary. Just by ramming the ball in the cylinder you should be giving it all the compression it needs, although I would shoot 20 grains from a navy revolver just to take up a little extra space. Don’t worry, BP pistols don’t recoil hard at all, my .44 Remington feels like a very smooth 9mm
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Just bought a Winchester 1887 made in 1891. Anyone know where to get 2 1/2 paper or full brass hulls to reload? Havent had any luck through my usual outlets.

Btw got it for less than the brand new replicas cost lmao
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>>51175645
I got my magtech brass from ballistic products and an antique powder/ shot measure on eBay and all my load data from the 1898 and 1906 Sears catalogue. Godspeed anon.
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>>51175680
Beautiful! I was wondering where the fuck to find load data from. Thank you bro

Any idea why videos of people shooting original winchesters are so scarce?
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>>51175719
>Any idea why videos of people shooting original winchesters are so scarce?

Because it's right up there with people who shoot pinfire revolvers recreationally.
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>>51175719
Probably because of their collectors value, moreso if they can’t handle smokeless loads. Once I get home in an hour or two I will post pics of the data from the catalogs I have. Also if you didn’t already know you gotta use old style fiber wads instead of modern plastic ones. BP needs compression.
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>>51175813
Awesome! Much appreciated! Yeah I figured. I've got a Dragoon and 1851 cap and ball so Im kinda familiar with BP.
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these howdahs are so sexy
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>>51175641
Thank you, I'll take it up to 20 next time.
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>>51175883
>>51175813
>>51175680
Here is the load table from the 1897 catalog.
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>>51177403
And just for fun here are the listings for the 1887 and 1897 shotguns
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>>51177432
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>>51177451
Wow you meant you had the actual paper copy. Fantastic! Thanks for the help anon!
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>>51167413
Yeah. But I fucken hate the term "stretching". Nothing on the frame stretches, it's the back of the cylinder beating the recoil shield.
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>>51175626
That's wrong though.
You measure 777 by volume, and use the same volumes you would with BP.
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>>51178084
No, you're fucking wrong. 777 is hotter than actual black powder, and you're best to reduce it 10-15% compared to the same load in black powder.
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>>51166431
i spent a lot of years tinkering with diy black powder recipes and am finally transitioning into smokless diy.

the scariest bp recipe i id was using celluloid (guitar picks) to create waterproof, extremely hard, fast burning black powder. (this stuff fired 7.62 x 39 loads (25 grains of this powder under a 160 grain cast bullet) it went thru 10-12 inches of hardwood and kept going and left cracks all in the case neck.
next i play with nitrocellulose hopefull i dont ASSplode myself.
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>>51178135
pic of ak breathing fire for proofs of autism
11/10 can recommend dicking with modern cartridges and black powder / cast bullt combo.
i feel confident that even at the reduced pressures, these are still suitable for taking medium sized game or defending my house.
plus its fun
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>>51178134
The manufacturer themselves say use the same volumes.
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>>51166431
No, the only conventional gun in descent used some kind of modern or futuristic 20mm round that was clearly smokeless.
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>>51178340
You must be thinking of pyrodex p, you dumb gorilla nigger.
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>>51178423
Both Pyrodex and 777 are VOLUMETRIC REPLACEMENTS for BP.
They are hotter powders but much less dense than BP so they can be substituted by volume.
This is how they are designed and used. Hodgdon even lists loads on their site for same volumes as BP.
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>>51178135
>>51178164
Good luck anon hope you keep your hands
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>>51178135
Should be fine as long as you handle the ingredients behind a 12 inch plexiglass wall using tweezers through holes you cut in it
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>>51178458
777 is the exception to the rule, 80 grains 777 by VOLUME is equivalent to about 100 grains black powder by VOLUME. They aren't equals you asshole.
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>>51178520
they said the same about my primng compound and after nearly 1000 primers it has had over 90% success rate (stored poorly) and never an unstable reaction. i think NC stability issues are related to when they pressed it into prills ina cotton press, not related to loose fibers in a case.
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Take the BP+45 long colt conversion pill. The Clint Felonwood Special
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>>51166456
Lmfao go to rifle range, overload revolver with BP, no ball just cap with wax or grease, rapid fire next to fudd trying to sight in his deer rifle and leave
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>>51166431
not really, no. they're for historical re-enactments, to arm felons, or to help teens think they're badass. The ammo is hard to get, expensive when available, and you might as well just wait until you're 21.
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>>51178533
777 is 77.7 grains by weight to equal the same as 100 grains of BP by volume. It takes the same volume for the equivalent load of BP.
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>>51178622
Cope fed boy. We'll arm everyone
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>>51178622
t. tacticool timmy
They're fun, you should try them out.
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>>51177403
Drams avoirdupois ?
or are they Apothecarian Drams
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>>51166810
they're not citizens, they're subjects
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>>51178868
This
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>>51178541
Which primer? Mercury fulminate?
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>>51173872
I bought it years ago, still have like 12 pills in two unopened tubes. Used it with Uberti Dragoon. Ignition was unreliable with both Nobel and S&B caps, some chambers didnt want to ignite at all, ended up tediously unloading the revolver. They are also very expensive and only made in 36 and 44 sizes, so largely useless for anything other than most popular revolver. Any normal powder will be better than those pills.
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>>51179367
How many failures to ignite out of 36?
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if youre european you should own a BP revolver or 3
better than getting stabbed to death by north african rape gangs
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>>51177548
No problem anon, primary sources are the best sources
>>51178860
avoirdupois drams, pic related is my measure. If you are using something like pyrodex you need to measure by volume since it’s lighter than real black. Pic related is my powder/shot measure I use for loading shotshells.
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>>51179522
Preferably steel frame over brass, more durable and doesn’t look retarded
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>>51179522
European laws generally don't have this retarded loophole that black powder guns don't count as firearms.
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>>51181383
this, they'd arrest you for just holding a butter knife
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>>51179441
Dont remember the exact number, but I couldnt get the whole cylinder without a malfunction or two. Had to disassemble the Dragoon and put the cylinder in water sink at the shooting range, because was affraid to manipulate the cylinder with loaded chamber. Wasted my time on the range which was one of those expensive indoor affairs paid by the hour to scam more cash from normie tourists and such. Only bought the Vectan because it was what they had readily available at the time in the shop. Iam from Poland and it was more than 13-14 years ago, when BP weapons were known largely to relatively small circles of nerdy boomers. Loose powder required license, but pills did not, according to some autistic interpretation of our police, fortunately forgotten after the new regulations came in place. At that time cops were trying to prosecute people who owned 44 caliber 1851 Navy Colts, because according to some moron from central forensic laboratory these were not historical replicas and thus should be registered and licensed the same as Glawk Forty. I remember that box of Vectan cost about the same as one kilo of Czech black powder - 48 shots vs 1000, total ripoff.
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>>51179522
Yep, thats my reasoning too.
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>>51181440
About those pills, would they work better if we opened them, take out and loosened the powder?
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>>51181440
Cool, thanks for the answer. I ordered a package from France, they arrived on the other side of Europe, no problem, so now I have to try them.
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>>51174088
I have that exact revolver and have fired 40 grain charges without issue. I'd say 25 is a good place to start, though depending on the powder you could easily end up needing much more than that to get a good burn. Normally I use 30 grains(by *volume) of pyrodex green.
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>>51182913
I have an army revolver but I haven’t tried to push it past 25, maybe I will try tomorrow
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I have an 1851 navy and I kinda want to start messing with BP again, but not gonna lie- I absolutely cannot stand cleaning it.
With mine, the residue gets EVERYWHERE to the point where I have to completely disassemble and do a thorough cleaning. Not too fun when you only shoot 12-18 rounds then everything gets stiff and gummed up.
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>>51186295
Wash it out with hot water after scrubbing bore and cylinder and blow it out with compressed air, its fucking easy anon wtf are you doing.
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>>51186357
It gets in my nipple threads fren.
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>>51186295
>1851 navy
>this thread
is this just the hipoint of black powder revolvers
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currently water proofing my cartridge bundles with melted wax
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>>51186589
No, that would be the Walker. Most people have 1851s because they're the cheapest entry gun to the hobby.
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>>51186575
I don't care about your nipples.
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>>51186817
So is the 1851 a Glock then?
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>>51166431
OH HEY YOURE THE FRIEND FROM OTHER BOARD THREAD, THE FRENCH GUY WHO GOT CALLED A FAGGOT.

BLACK POWDER GUNS ARE STILL GOOD, IF THEY COULD KILL A REDSKIN THEY CAN KILL ANY SKIN COLOR IF YOU GET WHAT I MEAN.

HERE IN EUROPE ITS HARDER AND HARDER TO GET GUNS, BUT BLACK POWDER GUNS ARE OVERSIGHTED, MANY FRIENDS BUY THEM, ITS GOOD TO HAVE ANYTHING TO PROTECT FROM THE COMMUNISTS LARPING IDIOTS.

I POST MINE AND APPROVE THE THREAD, ALL THE BEST

UBERTI IS BETTER THAN PIETTA, BUT REMINGTONS AND COLTS.
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>>51166431
I can smell the frenchness from your image OP, also yeah, they are pretty neat and 100x better than absolutely nothing.
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>>51187024
just imagine a bunch of french bros dressed in napoleonic uniforms giving commies volleys with charleville 1777's
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Just how loud are bp guns when, let's say, fighting off cultural enrichment from your house?
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>>51186589
its the classic gun, the most popular Colt cap and ball revolver by far
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>>51188212
loud as any modern firearm they just dont have that sonic "screech"
very comparable to a modern shotgun of comparable gauge
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>>51188212
just as loud, more smokey and bigger flash though
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>>51188212
Do not fight cultural enrichment with your legally obtained BP gun, you'll spoil the fun for everyone when the governments outlaw them or put them behind a loicense.
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>>51188699

As a europoor i don't really have much of an alternative. Bp and antique guns are pretty much the only avaliable ones here.
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>>51166431
Yes, the do seem to be on a descent in price.
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>>51188699
They're going to ban them at some point anyway. Even if some hero saved a dozen kids from a knife terrorist with one on camera, the government would still ban them eventually because guns bad.
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>>51188763
Oh yeah I know, me too. BP threads should be renamed euro threads.
As >>51188821 said, if you were to defend yourself or others with one, you'll be treated as a criminal. But I thought you were talking about preemptive strikes.
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>>51166431
If you are a felon.

Even wild bill switched to metallic cartridges.



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