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https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1462502605829988354?s=20
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>>51158087
Looks more like a Konkurs/Kornet from the spiraling flight trajectory unless the second shot wasn't a Javelin. I also wonder why it took so long for the first rocket to start climbing - were the Ukrainians firing from spitting distance? It has a 4-klick range, after all.
>tl;dr either it wasn't a Javelin or the Ukrainians are Arab-tier retards firing it at stupidly close range
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>>51158087
>looks manually guided (by someone with parkinsons)
>dat ghetto manually created top down attack and miss lmao
>javelin
Ukrainians are legit retarded.
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>>51158374
>https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1462502605829988354?s=20
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made the crews of both vehicles bail you can see the dudes in the rear booking it, the second missile is dead on and damn that is a big payload
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Not a javelin
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fuck that place
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>>51158087
>https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1462502605829988354?s=20
>>51158136
>>51158374
Mystery solved: it's some kind of SACLOS missile, the first one either had a malfunction or was jammed by shtora
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>>51159980
Interesting, I wonder if that's provided the americans with any hard data on russian jamming capabilities
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>>51158087
I wanted this so bad
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>>51160017
god damn it I should have watched first
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How fake news are made.
>It was not Javelin
>It was not Russian armor
>It might've not even beein Ukrainians, but Khazars.
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>>51158087
Looks like a Stugna-P.
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>>51158087
Not a javelin. Also javelins already have destroyed Russian made armor.
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As Americans, we must stand firm in our resolve in the wake of these extreme, but all too predictable, outbursts of aggression from the regime of Vladimir Putin. We must remain unswayed by subsequent denials issued by the regime. We must set aside our differences to stand in unison with our allies in this time of unprecedented Russian aggression.
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Seriously though
They are making up hoaxes and fake news to fuck with Russia because NS2 is getting certified and Biden has not been able or willing to stop it.

All this fake ass Ukraine shit is being advanced partly for Russia haters to role play the story they would rather be happening, and as scare tactics to get US money for corrupt ukrainian officials, who probably launder some of it back to corrupt Democrats in their personal capacity, hunter biden is just the cockroach we know about imagine how many are in the walls.
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>>51158442
so you like big payloads huh
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>>51158087
That's not a javelin
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Funny how Ukraine cries out invasion, when they were the first to pile up an army on the border, start using turkish drone and now is launching javelins at the Crimean ppl after banning their language and being totally corrupt and starting this war after a UN sanctioned/monitored vote of the crimean ppl to start their own nation/self determination.
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>>51160370
STFU kike
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>>51160557
>Funny how Ukraine cries out invasion,
they are at war with russia, they got invaded a few years ago, it's a stalemate frozen conlift nosw
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>>51160557
t. Vatnik
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>>51158087
javs jump up right away
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>>51160557
These are all things to do when getting invaded or about to be invaded, yes.
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>>51160047
>Khazars
yes, but what of the milkers?
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>That cancerous sockpuppet twatter account
It's probably for internal use only.
Rußian propaganda aimed at Western audience is somewhat more convincing than a bunch of of half assed fakes mixed with widely available photos.
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>>51161249
Not if fired in direct mode.
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>>51160557
>after a UN sanctioned/monitored vote of the crimean ppl
Ah yes, because the UN are totally gonna stick around and protect the families of people who vote against Crimea returning to Russia?
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>>51161276
sure but the missile doesn't go up at all in direct fire mode
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>>51160557
How about the UN leaders go vacation in Crimea, see who scan their passport, ask them who is the government of Crimea and the federal district of Sevastopol, and then they will know, if it is unclear to anyone in the UN right now..
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>>51160370
oh fuck off, you go stand with them. I’m not doing a damn thing except having another pizza and some cinnamon twists
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>>51160395
I’m just so sick and fucking tired of this Cold War “muh russia is literally Hitler guys” horse shit the boomers and war hawks are always on about. Complete fucking retards
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>>51161331
>cinnamon twists

https://youtu.be/yiu54fd6Pu0

also fuck bydlo-joo. they just violated openly fucking own Minsk declarations. i only hope russians will fucking nuke damn Lviv.
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>>51160370
lets colonize mexico instead
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>>51161385
https://youtu.be/9JOyTf1q6gE
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>>51161385
>>51161392

dory wrong song.. here:

https://youtu.be/nUwTnJ8yFXY
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>>51160370
faggot
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>>51161267
They are big
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>>51161403
>>51161392
what the hell? why do these vids have so many views?
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We shall eradicate all the joos and their supporters, starting from pic related.
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>>51161340
just because your ADD brain is tired doesn't mean it's not true
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If vatniks invade, can we expect formation of an UN army to kick invaders from Ukrainian soil?
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>>51161488
no because chinks will veto it ?
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>>51160557
>Funny how Ukraine cries out invasion, when they were the first to pile up an army on the border
yes, ukraine was just about to invade russia and do what napoleon and hitler couldnt so they started stacking forces on the border
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>>51161490
How did they do it in 1950?

It is a clear mistake to invite vatniks and chinks into UN
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>>51161488
You mean, to remove all the filthy ukranians from rightful russian clay?
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>>51161500
beats me, anyways UN is impotent, don't remember when was the last time it did anything useful. If there will be real desire to beat shit out of vatniks, US will just form usual coalition with it's buddies.
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>>51161521
Kicking russia from UN and declaring an UN resolution to fuck Russia up. This would be so sweet
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>>51161488
I remember how useless UN was in Bosnia, wouldnt put my money on them to do anything.
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>>51161500
Republic of China voted in support of UNSC Resolutions 83 and 85.
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>>51161473
https://youtu.be/6od76UNHt-M
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>>51161536

yeahh.. kick Russia out of UN.. lol. fucking bydlo-joo

https://youtu.be/7tThYxp5kmk
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>>51158087
>that trajectory
>javelin

HIGHLY unlikely. Probably a Kornet or Konkurs
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You think if I sent photoshopped "proof" of Russians influencing the Rittenhouse trial to support white supremacy or whatever to a news agency they would actually run with it?
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>>51160395
>>51161340
take your meds, deranged retards.
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>>51162120
without a doubt
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>>51162120
No, despite them wanting to run retarded shit on a daily basis, they still do some checking. CNN is still bruised from the Katrina photoshopped images.
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>>51158087
Both are SACLOS, the first one that rises (probably to make it look like top attack) misses.

>>51160008
It looks a lot more like ghetto top attack than IR blinding of the launcher, if the launcher is blind the last steer command sent to the missile is kept and in this case would make it climb until it looped into the ground or ran out of wire.

>>51160370
I'll stand united at the pub being glad we are sitting out a war that's not our problem. On the bright side there is a chance your new Russian overlords will be slightly less corrupt than your current overloads.

>>51160395
The forever wars just ended and the MIC doesn't like peace, there are lots of people that stopped making lots of money because we aren't at war for once.

>>51160557
You think we don't remember Chimera? This is /k/ not /pol/, you can't just pretend history didn't happen and assume no one actually knows about it.
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>>51160557
>after banning their language
Kek
>Ukrainian president comes up with law putting Ukrainian as the state language
>a bit questionable but bans other languages in public schools as the main language (just like you wouldn't want US schools to teach in Spanish or whatever)
>president fucks up and gets flees to Russia
>new government keeps the bill and ratifies it
>vatniks screech about discrimination like the complete dindus they are
>law gets blocked by the Ukrainian supreme court and never takes effect
It's a perfect example of vatniks making shit up about Ukraine so they can then be butthurt over the shit they just made up.
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>>51160557
nothing wrong with banning russian, its an ugly language
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>>51162344
>Chimera
I don't. What was it?
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Benjamin Franklin famously said "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

Today this applies to those who would refuse to safeguard liberty by containing Russian and Chinese aggression. If you want to buy a little temporary safety by refusing to support allies, refusing to contain growing and evolving threats from Russia, then there will come a day when safety is nowhere to be found. Now more than ever, we must rise to the challenges of the 21st century and commit to a robust containment regime in regards to Russia.
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>>51160557
Fuck off arma tard
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>>51163934
Boo hoo shill

>West: We believe in democracy
>Russia: lets crimea vote before annexation
>West: NOOO NOT LIKE THAT NOOOO U HAV TO LET US RIG IT FIRST
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>>51158374
'It looks like it was a russian twitter account that made that assumption....It would be good for russian people to think it was a javalin because it would mean the USA supplied them.

And I was actually thinking it looks like a TOW that somone decided to do a top down attack like I would in that one battlefield lol
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>>51163822

This, its not a jewish idea to stick up for the eastern european's. Estonia, latvia, Ukraine all haev a history of getting fucked over by russia and do not want to be a vassel again.

Im ukrainian Canadian down the line and thats the only stake I personally have in the conflict. but ideology wise I would think we should stick up for mongolia the same way if they were in the same situation
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>>51163973
Fцcк фff дrmдtдrd
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>>51163973
>Be me, ca 2014
>Russian
>Have a look at crimea
>Russian Invasion
>Pro russian paramilitaries + russian regular troops everywhere
>Russian-held election to "see if the locals accept russian rule"
>Russian paramilitaries are present at all voting booths
>Russian paramilitaries openly harass anti-russian locals
>Pro-Russian representatives count the votes
>UN Declares it to be invalid

>Nope. Nothing shady goin on, I think to myself
>Put phone down
>Quickly salute russian flag hanging in corner of the room
>Proceed to continue raping my recruit
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>>51164222
Lol you thought my parody post was real. The absolute state of anti Russian freaks.
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>>51160370
>>51160395
We must immediately bail the moment it looks like we'll have to actually shoot at Ivan because Eastern Europe is icky.
Even if this is legit, America seems to be under the pretense that shooting at conscripts in the peer to peer scenarios that it has literally been drilling its army to operate in for the past three decades is equal to WW3 which is le-bad even though Russia has stated a no-nuke first policy and doesn't even have the logistics anymore to sustain MAD.
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>>51160557
Sorry Ivan, your dear leader is a 3' tall muppet with some pretty savage insecurities. Go squat somewhere and drink vodka cut with gasoline.
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>>51158087
Looks like a miss.
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>>51158087
That's neither Javelin, nor Russian armor. OP is a faggot, tho.
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>>51164295
Cool story, officer's daughter. Now get back to sucking that cock.
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>>51161558
He's talking about the actual China, not Taiwan.
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>>51160370

Shut up fat
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>>51165614
OOOOH IM LIVIN IN YOUR VODKA BOTTLES SCHIZOVATNIK CHAN
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>>51162729
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation
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>>51158087
>the framing in that subject line
Ukraine is riding in Russian armor they can just shoot it at one of their own vehicles for testing.
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>>51160008
All of their armor works some of the time.
Jamming works some of the time, cage works some of the time, ERA works some of the time, weird passive ceramic works some of the time, gap armor works some of the time.
The hope is if they stack the probabilities, it will amount to something.

Asking for hard numbers on their capabilities is a little retarded.
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>>51158087
Looks like some sort of propaganda against Javelin. What was the idea behind jumping out of the second tank? Why the huge explosion of boxy looking thing that might be a tank? Is (((someone))) trying to sell missiles other than Javelin to Ukraine?
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>>51160395
>hunter biden is just the cockroach we know about
This, I assume, has something to do with the incredible vanishing laptop?
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>>51162435
Dude thank you for explaining all that. Sounds reasonable to have a unified language. We have the same problem with Puerto Rican’s in America. They bitched and moaned about not getting federal funds in name your last disaster. But the last two times they voted down statehood themselves because taxes and I assume language things cause they speak mexican there. Then cry America left them to die every tropical storm that disrupts their telamundo on satellite.
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>>51166872
Even earlier, 2018-2019 when Hunter Biden somehow had a board position on the largest Ukrainian energy company Burisma Holdings. Countries with the most corrupt officials are very attractive places for Democrats to route foreign aid money.
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>>51162344
>It looks a lot more like ghetto top attack than IR blinding of the launcher,
All the footage we've seen of Shtora working involves the missile suddenly jumping way up high
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>>51158087
thats not a javelin at all lmao
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>>51158087

was that first shot going nuts the result of the ECM on the t-90?
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>>51164295
>referendum in Ukraine-controlled Crimea in 1991
>93% pick the pro-Russian option
>referendum in Ukraine-controlled Crimea in 1994
>79-82% pick pro-Russian options
>unofficial referendum in Ukraine-controlled Crimea in 2006
>98% pick pro-Russian option
>referendum in Russia-controlled Crimea in 2014
>97% pick pro-Russian option
>reeeeeeee it can't be an expression of a genuine desire of the Crimean populace, they've clearly been forced to vote the same way they always did every single time they were offered a chance to
Criticize the legal side of the referendum all you want, sure, but you need to be completely ignorant of the topic to believe it wasn't the will of the people.
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>>51168860
It was an illegitimate referendum, Crimea wasn't allowed to change it's constitution without the approval of Ukraine's parliament, their own constitution said so. And let's not even get started with how such a referendum is illegal in Russia, even promoting something like that can you get you years of jail time in Russia.
Funfact: The laws against separatism in Russia were made months before the Ukraine Conflict started.
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>>51168860
Guess they'll drink T-I-G-E-R-S.
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>>51169205
>It was an illegitimate referendum,
Then so was the Kosovo referendum that the US and it's NATO allies have formally recognized. You've broke the law, you don't get to use it anymore. Now shut the fuck up and get run over by a nigger.
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>>51169205
Ukraine’s parliament had no say, because neither option was to remain part of Ukraine. It’s like complaining that the parliament of Great Britain didn’t approve the Declaration of Independence. The people do not need to ask permission, the government exists by the people’s permission.
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Part of the reason I think western leaders, for instance in the US government, hate the Crimean referendum so much is they look at a situation where a democratic leader was removed by a mob, and part of the country broke away and voted. They see a similar thing happening in their future. The big fraud of 2020 hadn't happened back then but left wing leaders always intended to corrupt enough majority black polling stations to tilt states, they can extrapolate out in the future and see the same antifa tactics used in Maidan in their plans for the US, they are terrified by the possibility of a governor declaring "illegal referendum" time.
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>>51168856
or a wire caught or snapped, or something jammed, or the retard guiding it tried to get clever and pop it up for a "top attack" and missed

given that the crew ditched the tank and fucking ran away on foot i'm guessing that they weren't using the tank to its fullest potential, so probably wasn't ECM
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>>51164310
Any war against Russia would be Gulf War: Electric Boogaloo in the sheer assrape that the Air Force would whip out on them.
>inb4 incoherent ranting
Russia has had problems dealing with Ukraine and Georgia, much less any peer to peer adversary.
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>>51162435
Such laws are in response to previous Russian enforced laws as well that promoted 'rusification' to remove local languages from areas to make Russia more influential. They also moved ethnic Russians into areas so they have a useful 3rd column of insider attacks like they had at Donbass.
>The Russian cries out as he hits you
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white people should not be fighting each other, they are already a minority in the world.

STOP FUCKING WARRING WITH EACH OTHER
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>>51169571
In Putin's Russia, war declares on you
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>>51159947
I said FUCK THAT PLACE
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>>51169509
>crimean referendum was totally legit bro

Go drink yourself to death already Sergay.
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>>51160557
>completely ignores russia bombing ukrainian civilians and military day after day in violation of the rules they screech about such much when ukraine responds

Russia should've been partitioned like the Ottoman Empire. You have 140 million people maximum, out of which a significant fraction aren't even ethnic Russians, you need at most 1/3 of the territory you have now.
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>>51169457
The Kosovo referendum wasn't even remotely comparable you fucking nigger. If Crimea had tried to secede, been invaded by Ukraine with a genocide and attempted ethnic cleansing, then Crimea had declared independence under its own free will rather than under foreign occupation, and of course become independent as opposed to joining an occupation force, then it would begin to even be comparable.

And Russia totally didn't set a precedent in Chechnya, that of course is to be ignored. It only counts as a precedent when the West does it or something.
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>>51169482
They had, as it was written in the Crimean Constitution. Ukraine wasn't some monarchy and crimeans weren't threatened by genocide.

>>51169457
No, that's an entire different situation, don't always cry wolf.
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>>51170015
>If Crimea had tried to secede, been invaded by Ukraine with a genocide and attempted ethnic cleansing, then Crimea had declared independence under its own free will rather than under foreign occupation, and of course become independent as opposed to joining an occupation force, then it would begin to even be comparable.
So exactly like South Ossetia and Abkhazia? Because the collective West doesn't recognize these either.
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>>51170301
>exactly like South Ossetia and Abkhazia
At this point it's hard to take vatniks serious or thinking any of them isn't talking in bad faith.
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>>51170253
Ukraine suffered an unconstitutional overthrow of it's legitimate and legal President.
Crimea had no obligation to recognize the new Ukrainian government which did not represent them and was not democratically elected by them.
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>>51170309
>If Crimea had tried to secede, been invaded by Ukraine with a genocide and attempted ethnic cleansing, then Crimea had declared independence under its own free will rather than under foreign occupation, and of course become independent as opposed to joining an occupation force, then it would begin to even be comparable
Which of these does not apply in the Ossetian case?
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>>51170319
>genocide
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>>51170314
>>51170319
So seperatism is allowed in Russia or is this something that's only forced onto others by Russia when Russia wants to landgrab ala Sudetenland?
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>>51170332
Nigger, you serious? Get the fuck out of here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991%E2%80%931992_South_Ossetia_War
>According to Human Rights Watch, during the war Georgian paramilitary groups committed acts of violence against Ossetian civilians within South Ossetia that were motivated by the desire to expel Ossetians and reclaim villages for Georgia, and by sheer revenge against the Ossetian people. Between 60 and 100 villages were burned down, destroyed by Georgian forces or otherwise abandoned. Several villages were ethnically cleansed by Georgian forces.
>It also led to the creation of large numbers of refugees: more than 40,000 ethnic Ossetians fled from South Ossetia and Georgia proper, mainly into North Ossetia (part of Russia)
https://web.archive.org/web/20070630224302/http://unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/public/documents/UNTC/UNPAN019224.pdf
>Both sides committed brutal atrocities, including decapitation of infants, executions in front of family members, and rape.
>Both parties perpetrated hostage taking, indiscriminate shelling and summary executions.
>No amnesties have been declared, and no individuals have been sentenced for crimes against civilians. The lack of accountability is a grievance raised by the South Ossetians
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>>51170342
No, it's not allowed. And I am sure next time Russian government gets overthrown and the country plunges into chaos, some separatist states would make use of it and declare independence.
Just like they did when USSR fell apart.
Just like Crimea did when Ukraine fell apart.
What's your point?
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>>51170365
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991%E2%80%931992_South_Ossetia_War
No hit for genocide.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070630224302/http://unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/public/documents/UNTC/UNPAN019224.pdf
>Both sides
>Both parties

Yes, there was no genocide.
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>>51170384
Yeah, fuck off.
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>>51170371
>No, it's not allowed.
Then what Russia is doing is hypocrite.

>Just like they did when USSR fell apart.
So USSR was a democracy? Crimea never had a democratic representation?

Like said, talking in bad faith.

>>51170388
>Yes, i was wrong....fuck off.
Okay.
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>>51170390
>Then what Russia is doing is hypocrite.
I don't think you understand what the word means.
The state looks out for the interests of the state. It's not hypocritical, it's the whole point of the state.
Is it hypocritical of you not to give half of your belongings to some random hobo? After all, you respect your own desire to have stuff, but neglect the same desire a hobo has.
>So USSR was a democracy?
On paper only, but I'm not even sure how is it relevant.
>Crimea never had a democratic representation?
Not in the new government, as it came to power as a result of an illegal coup and not a democratic election.
Therefore, ethically speaking, Crimean people had no obligation to respect the new government.
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>>51170415
Great, we are already down to the point where you are only left with squabbling over semantics and make up bullshit analogies. Btw where is the democratic representation for separatism in Russia?
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>>51170415
>Is it hypocritical of you to take half of the belongings to some random hobo? After all, you respect your own desire to have stuff, but neglect the same desire a hobo has.
ftfy and then it's a yes.
This is closer to what Russia does.
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>>51170429
>Great, we are already down to the point where you are only left with squabbling over semantics
Says the man claiming ethnic cleansing of Ossetian civilian population with the purpose of eradicating it is not a genocide because wiki page doesn't have a word genocide.
>Btw where is the democratic representation for separatism in Russia?
I am not even sure what is this combination of words is supposed to mean.
As in, could separatists vote for a politician who would represent their interests?
If so, then, well, it's in the democratically elected government. Just the first name off the top of my head, Daria Besedina of the Moscow State Duma supports separatist movements.
>>51170450
If that's how you fix things, please never try to fix anything again.
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>>51170415
>>Then what Russia is doing is hypocrite.
>I don't think you understand what the word means.
You clearly don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
>Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.
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>>51161473
No 1 Russian Meme rapper
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>>51170480
Right, and how does that apply?
The activity in question is supporting a separatist movement in another country.
To my knowledge, Russia does not criticize anybody else for supporting separatist movements in another country, at least not on the official state level. Neither does Russian claims higher moral standards in regards to separatism.
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>>51170479
>Says the man claiming ethnic cleansing of Ossetian civilian population with the purpose of eradicating it is not a genocide because wiki page doesn't have a word genocide.
Ethnic cleasing isn't genocide. It's part of genocide, but that doesn't make it work the other way around.
>with the purpose of eradicating it
That didn't happen like you want to imply. According to your logic ossetians had done the same at least, but you don't talk about genocide by the ossetians.

>I am not even sure what is this combination of words is supposed to mean.
>As in, could separatists vote for a politician who would represent their interests?
>If so, then, well, it's in the democratically elected government. Just the first name off the top of my head, Daria Besedina of the Moscow State Duma supports separatist movements.
Playing dumb while being full of shit. Nice.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/24/russia-toughens-punishment-separatist-ideas
>New legislation introduced by Andrei Klishas, head of the Federation Council's committee on constitutional legislation, seeks to increase the maximum punishment from three to four years imprisonment for "public calls for actions violating the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation." The bill also adds lesser punishments including arrest for up to six months and compulsory work for up to three years.
>The existing law stipulates up to five years' imprisonment if the calls for separatism are made through mass media outlets, including online outlets, but Klishas's proposed amendments would expand it to cover "all internet resources". In other words, any internet user leaving a comment on a forum or social network could be held liable for separatist agitation

>If that's how you fix things, please never try to fix anything again.
Parallels to what Russia did in Crimea intensifies. Did made me laugh though.

I think i'm done with you. What now follows will just be more pilpul and squabbling over semantics.
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>>51170504
>or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.
Seperatism for thee country, no seperatism for mee country.

I think we are long past the point were there was still any need to prove how you are arguing in bad faith. Cry all you want beyond this point, i don't care you lost.
Anything that comes now is just solidifying how much a hypocrite you are yourself and how little meaning you or everyone else sharing your opinion bears. Good day, sir.
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>>51170415
>Not in the new government, as it came to power as a result of an illegal coup and not a democratic election.
>Therefore, ethically speaking, Crimean people had no obligation to respect the new government.
This is an extremely compelling argument.

New Ukrainian government suspended the constitution and the laws. They HAD to do it to dismiss the president without due process, which effectively made the new government NOT a representative of the people.
>Suspended laws
>Didnt represent them
Why the fuck would Crimea stay? So they can follow laws that were suspended? Imagine if Washington suspended the constitution and rule of law to impeach Trump for his imaginary ties with Russia, why would any US state be obligated to stay?

Second of all, there is even a solid legal and civic argument that the Crimean government is the last legitimate remaining government of Ukraine, and all international treaties with Ukraine are specifically with the Crimean government, and the authorities in Kiev are excluded from them. The fact that the Kiev government has more ethnic ukrainians is not an argument, they trashed their civilization so they could perform the coup on Yanukovich.

Last of all, according to international precedent, a government generally has claim to a region that it taxes and provides services for. There is really no other test of legitimacy, history doesnt matter, agreements dont matter. When Crimea refused to pay taxes to Kiev, and the Kiev government could not compel them, that was the first nail in the coffin. When Kiev shut off the services it provided to Crimea, it was the last nail in the coffin. In fact shutting off the delivery of fresh water to the peninsula was a very callous move, an attempt to starve the population (genocide), in breach of international law, and would be considered a Cassus Belli in any circumstances, but at a very basic level it was an ADMISSION by Kiev that it had given up on recovering the peninsula.
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>>51158087
>Russia keeps threatening and invading its neighbors
>cries out in pain as neighbors beg to join NATO

Russia a gud boy who dindunuffin
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>>51170571
1. Russia did not invade Ukraine, stop lying. Every Russian soldier in Crimea had permission to be there, given by Ukrainians.
2. Name a time Russia "invaded" a neighbor when it wasnt seriously provoked by that neighbor multiple times. You can go back until the Mongols if you like.
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>>51170547
>They HAD to do it to dismiss the president without due process, which effectively made the new government NOT a representative of the people.
The president was NOT the representative of the people though and acted against the interest of his own country in favor of Russia, that why he was kicked out and later fled to Russia the country which interest he represented.
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time to push on the decadent west from ukraine to taiwan to cuba - onwards
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if russia doesnt punish the ukro-americans now, they will forever be known as a paper tiger, even fucking armenia will spit on them, if they dont care about their citizens abroad who are treated as second class slaves, then i dont know what reputation they will have left, Putin seems very weak right now, hes government constantly tries to reason and seems very sqeamish, very very beta
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>>51170585
>Every Russian soldier in Crimea had permission to be there, given by Ukrainians.
Find the flaw.
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>>51170592
The president was democratically elected when the previous government held control of all the polling places, how was he not a representative?

>acted against the interest
There is a way to remove such a president within the framework of Ukrainian law. The fact that it wasnt even attempted, and that in fact they went to an extreme position of suspending the framework of law, suggests that the president was in fact innocent.

If he had ties to Russia, why wasnt he removed legally? Fleeing for his life from a military putsch to the nearest country is not enough for an indictment.
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>>51170585
>The totally legitimate secret vote that was conducted by Russian military forces after annexation and by a miracle came back 99% in favor of annexation
You have to be as dumb as a rock to believe this shit. If you asked 100 people if being lit on fire you'd get 10% being contrarian for contrarian's sake..
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>>51170633
No you retard, the UKRAINIAN government from Kiev had a treaty with Russia to have Russian soldiers in Crimea. Since USSR fell. It was how they split the fleets and nukes, and was why Ukraine got to keep Crimea in the first place.

Why are you talking about a region you are uninformed on?
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>>51170523
>That didn't happen like you want to imply.
Because you said so?
Some parties believe it was a genocide. Some parties don't.
Either way, back to the point: something functionally identical to a genocide attempt definitely happened, so the analogue between Kosovo and Ossetia still stands.
>According to your logic ossetians had done the same at least, but you don't talk about genocide by the ossetians.
Because we are talking about genocide of Ossetians by Georgians, and not about genocide of Georgians by Ossetians.
Why don't you ask accuse me of neglecting mentioning Holocaust while we are at it?

>punishment for "public calls for actions violating the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation."
>means separatists have no democratic representation
And you accuse me of arguing in bad faith?
Murderers can be legally punished for murders. Yet they have democratic representation, and can vote for politicians who will further their interests, maybe decriminalize murder, create PvP zones, improve prison conditions for convicts or whatever.
Same with separatists. A law which has a grand total of 15 convictions ever (with public works as the harshest punishment) for calls to violate territorial integrity is irrelevant, they can still peruse non-illegal means to further their agenda.
Democracy doesn't mean "you are given what you want for free no questions asked", it means that your vote may affect things.

>>51170543
>Seperatism for thee country, no seperatism for mee country.
And that's still not hypocrisy.
Do you not see what are you quoting? Russia never "claimed to have moral standards or beliefs" which it later betrayed in regards to separatism.
Hypocrisy only comes into play when words don't match the actions.
If there were no words, then there's no hypocrisy.
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>>51170653
Kosovo never really met the standard of genocide, the only people killed were combatants.
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>>51170592
>that why he was kicked out and later fled to Russia the country which interest he represented
Did you forget the part where like 25% of the population straight up packed up their land and left the country to follow him? Guess he did represent these.
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>>51170653
>And that's still not hypocrisy.
It still is hypocrisy
>or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.

I'm not even debating such a stupid thing with you, i'm just parading you around having you saying stupid shit for everyone to see.
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>>51170756
>soldier shoots an enemy
>wow such hypocrite
>bullet for thee but not for me
>imagine shooting people while not wanting to be shot
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>>51170543
>I think we are long past the point were there was still any need to prove how you are arguing in bad faith.
You are talking with fucking armatard, it was obvious from the first few posts. For like a week he got his shit kicked in, so he's bringing back the 'logical Russian' hand puppet. Look closely at how he argues, it's a good insight on how perverted and twisted his inner working are.
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>>51170819
Imagine failing so hard by making such a bad analogy.
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>>51170585
>1. Russia did not invade Ukraine

lmao imagine writing this unironically
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>>51170856
Curious how the only way you can argue against a logical opponent is to pretend he's actually an illogical opponent in disguise.
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>>51170870
How is it wrong?
In both cases, the accused does a thing which is beneficial for him but harmful for another.
In both cases the accused doesn't want the thing to be done to him, as it would be harmful.
In neither case the accused proclaims that having a harmful thing happen to you is actually good and should happen to everyone.
What context am I missing?
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>>51170889
>>51170883
Are you genuinely (armata-)retarded?
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>>51158087
>Russian armor
>1980s or earlier Soviet stock
>Even Ukrainian forces have put anti-javelin cage umbrellas over the top of the turrets
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>>51170908
Destroyed me with facts and logic I guess.
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>>51163822
Yeah, let's go to war against fellow europeans while niggers burn, kill and rape with impunity in our homelands, kikes steal all the wealth and fush faggotry and transsexualism on our kids.

Fuck off schlomo, I'm sitting this one out, send your mutt golems instead

>>51161536
>>51160370
Glowing brown semitic hands typed this
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>>51170889
>In both cases, the accused does a thing which is beneficial for him but harmful for another.
>In both cases the accused doesn't want the thing to be done to him, as it would be harmful.
>In neither case the accused proclaims that having a harmful thing happen to you is actually good and should happen to everyone.
And? Do you even think before you shit posts like this? Both sides shoot at each other, both don't like it. What's hypocrite about it? It would be hypocrite if one side would shoot captured soldiers for shooting at their own before, while demanding from the other side if their soldiers get captured they need to be kept alive and well kept.

>or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.
Russia has the moral standard of "you must allow seperatism" for others, they don't allow it in Russia. That's makes it hypocritical.
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>>51164295
>UN Declares it to be invalid
Imagine the faggotry required to not only like democracy but also give any regard to what the fucking UN thinks about stuff.
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Anyone remembers this hilarious provocation with US APMY stingers from 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJr7zUXwBx8
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>>51170942
>What's hypocrite about it?
Nothing, my point exactly.
>Russia has the moral standard of "you must allow seperatism" for others
No, it doesn't. Repeating this baseless claim does nothing to prove your point.
In case of Crimea, Russia didn't ask Ukraine to let separatists do their thing, it just forced it's own decision on Ukraine.
Just like a soldier doesn't try to convince enemy soldiers they are morally obligated to get shot, he just pulls the trigger.
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>>51171009
>No, it doesn't. Repeating this baseless claim does nothing to prove your point.
Ironic.

>>51170908
Really looks like it.
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>>51171009
>In case of Crimea, Russia didn't ask Ukraine to let separatists do their thing, it just forced it's own decision on Ukraine.
So Russia is a tyrannical hypocrite. Gotcha, senpai.
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>>51171058
>tyrannical
So Ukraine is a Russian subject.
Gotcha, senpai.
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>>51171169
Well actually Russia was supposed to protect Ukraines sovereignty and borders, instead it decided to play the tyrant.
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Every time russia has gone on the offensive under Putin it was always in the context of some crisis where russia could be said to be responding to events, rather than just attacking out of nowhere

-apartment bombings/invasion of Dagestan by Chechens at outset of second Chechen war (even if you subscribe to the plausible theory that the Fsb did the bombings, they still went thru the trouble of staging a false flag first, rather than just attacking)
-Georgian attack on South Ossetia at start of 2008 war
-maidan revolution in 2014 prior to invasion of Crimea
-invitation of Russian forces to Syria following the fall of much of Idlib in 2015

Nothing of this type has yet happened so I don’t think war is imminent
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>>51170959
I don't care much for the UN in it's current state, however; mr vodka over there claimed it was UN sanctioned, when it, in fact, was not.

>Imagine the faggotry required to not only like democracy
Imagine literally begging for a boot to lick so you don't have to think and make decisions for yourself
You're so weak you have to impose your will on others by force together with your loser buddies so you don't get outcast like the absolute faggot you are. Shame.
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>>51170856
Just for context:
On sunday two weeks ago he seems to have been banned for something.
Following monday to wednesday he excessively spammed China threads.
Wednesday/Thursday his official ban seem to have run out, he than started to post Russia or russian gear threads, but too many exposed his threads.
Friday he spent crying about people hunting him down as an bystander.
Saturday to Sunday he was reeing about shills and indians hunting him down as the Langley shizo.
And now we can watch him do his old """logical""" Russian routine.
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Where can I go to read more about this conflict
It's difficult to keep track of the history of the area and the people in it, and the stages of the conflict. Have been reading the wiki page of course but it's very surface level.
Unrelated, but wasn't there a bong who joined <azov battalion?> and I think he's now in the ukrainian army proper?
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>>51171527
>he spent two weeks obsessively reading through every single of the shittiest threads on this board to track activity of a half-imaginary autistic retard
>still got it wrong
That's just sad.
Even I had enough sense to instantly bail out of the absolute shitshow which were the Chink threads.
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>>51171735
>>he spent two weeks obsessively reading through every single of the shittiest threads on this board to track activity of a half-imaginary autistic retard
>>still got it wrong
So, how exactly do you know he got it wrong? Either you have done the same and come to a different conclusion or you didn't and are just making stuff up. Humor me.
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>>51163822
Imagine trying to rabble-rouse with official State Department press release-style messaging on an Israeli dreidel-carving forum.
Keep it up, it's funny as fuck.
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>>51171786
>So, how exactly do you know he got it wrong?
Because I'm the one he calls "logical Russian", and I've only actively (more than a short post or two) participated in two of threads he mentioned.
Don't even know what are half of the events he's talking about.
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>>51171915
Would armatard say anything different?
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>>51171956
I dunno. Would not-armatard in my position say anything different?

I mean, let's sum up the current Armatard lore. There's a person who
>spends 24/7 shitposting
>been doing it for what, 8 years?
>posted on multiple boards
>posted under different flags on flag-tracking boards
>posted from different time zones
>has multiple distinct posting styles, to the point they already have separate names
>switches between styles for reasons instead of sticking to the one which is the most effective
>posted from different devices
>constantly samefags except when he doesn't
>creates identical threads in batches except when he doesn't
>not deterred by common hatred
>not deterred by insults
>not deterred by doxxing attempts
>not deterred by the massive time drain
>not deterred by temporary bans, bypasses them
>never got banned for bypassing
>will never stop

At some point this theory must become less plausible than
>these are different posters
>I'm just bad at detecting and/or maliciously abusing "Armatard" label
and I'd say that point has been passed about three years ago, now it's just farcical.
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>>51172062
Oh yeah, forgot
>at least on one occasion posted a photo with timestamp, identifying him as an Aussie (I think)
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>>51164295
So the song and dance of america in Iraq
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>>51172062
For the sake of the argument, i'm gonna pretend you are not him for a moment.
>I dunno. Would not-armatard in my position say anything different?
Might be hard to grasp for you, but yes. Don't ask, i'm not gonna make the mistake of spoonfeeding you, you'll just exploit it.

>I mean, let's sum up the current Armatard lore. There's a person who
Spends most of his life here, will go to great length to ensure he can continue posting and making threads here like he has done for many years. That includes changing his overall tactic like switching to thread spamming from making few dedicated threads when they repeatedly got removed, or making sure he's not instantly recognised by posters through looking like different posters,...
But that only goes so far, in the end it's the same idiot with the same strong believes, which he needs to convey day in and out, and no matter how hard he tries, he's still just one guy and when someone does this shit every day, most start to recognise how the mess is slightly changing, but the mess still mostly stays the same in one way: It's right around the amount that one person can make in the same amount of time.
That's why his shitposting dies down in other threads, when he has to fend off three different posters in one thread or when he's writing himself into a fever over some topic. This right here >>51171527 is the direct consequence of this problem. He's dedicated and learned a few tricks over the years, but ultimately it's just some unlikeable dude with a large lack of social experience writing his fingers bloody, because he doesn't have anything else in his life.
I already know how this will end with you, you'll just keep on babbling, making one post after the other, this probably would go on for the next eight hours with you. Fuck that, nobody got time for that. Well, except maybe armatard and you.
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>>51172629
And you are back to deflecting with walls of text instead of giving a single straight answer.
Do as your like, it's not me wasting time tracking imaginary enemies on anonymous imageboards.
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>>51172702
As if you had anything else.
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>>51171460
Democracy is only servitude to the jew, nothing more.
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>>51172722
>says he doesn't have time to keep arguing
>can't help but try to have the last response
Sad.
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>>51172799
>>can't help but try to have the last response
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>>51172702
>if i just deny this creature exists like i do in every other thread they won't catch onto me

embarrassing.
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>>51173120
>if I completely ignore what's being said and build a strawman like I do in every other thread I can claim victory
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>>51159980
>or was jammed by shtora
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg0Gd6AhqfE
Ignore the misleading title on the video, it's actually from tests back in Russia. It shows the weird climb that a SACLOS missile does when jammed by Shtora

pictured is a VLQ-6, the American equivalent
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>>51170874
>1. Russia did not invade Ukraine
>lmao imagine writing this unironically
Imagine believing otherwise.

Can you name the last time Russians (or Russian Federation Soldiers) were not present in Ukraine?
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Just saying, the rußians amassed approx 90 000 troops in 40 BCG around Ukraine.
The Ukrainian Army is now 250 000 strong, and while undergunned - isn't the total shitshow of 2014 anymore.
What would You expected with Moscow's moles at every level and hundred million USD annual budget, anyway?
Now the British Special Forces are already present in the theatre and Baltic States aren't exactly sitting this one out, too.
I strongly suspect it's very expensive, very convincing Rußian saber rattling, aimed at international community. Because Rußia desperately needs the hydrocarbon money, and the current delays of NS2 and Belarusian smuggling business already endangered future profits.
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Whoever created an AI to shitpost like this: >>51172629
is pure evil
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>>51170585
>Name a time Russia "invaded" a neighbor when it wasnt seriously provoked by that neighbor multiple times.
>Poland 1920
>Poland 1939
>Finland 1939
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>>51158087
>taking accurate fire from anti vehicle weaponry
>sit dead still

!?!?

Or does not slamming the acceleration and going out of their LOS not help?
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Russia isn't going to escalate the conflict considering the sanctions it will cause on them

the only thing they "need" from Ukraine is a steady water supply to Crimea
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>>51161508
did moscow exist during kievan rus times?
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>>51176008
Russia needs to retain control of Western European gas and a few more Mediterranean ports wouldn't hurt.
I see this turning into another proxy war that will last decades and the west will give up on long before Russia does.
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>>51172062
I recognize your shitty little posts, faggot. You always claim this and no matter how often and how many hours anons spent to show how flawed your theory is to the point were even you have to accept it, you always just come back and act like nothing of it ever happened and claim the same shit again with impunity. You are a waste of time and breathing air.
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>>51171248
There’s the Crimea water issue. Or, you know, Russia could simply false flag and blame it on Ukrainians.
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>>51178825
There is also the ongoing Covid crisis in Russia that needs some distraction from it. Mortality rate in Russia rose by ~20% from 2019 to 2020.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041628/russia-number-of-deaths-per-area/
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>>51170015
>The Kosovo referendum wasn't even remotely comparable
>>51170253
>No, that's an entire different situation, don't always cry wolf.
Are all wectoids this fucking delusional and subhuman, or just the brainwahsed mindless drones of the amerishit propaganda that work for food stamps?
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>>51177203
He asked for the times "when it wasnt seriously provoked by that neighbor multiple times", poolan. Poolans literally started the 1919 war, Pooland literally started WWII as Hitler's co-belligerents within the Munich Betrayal and got what they fucking deserved. Finland has been trying to subversively invade USSR during Heimosodat less than 20 years before the Winter War and could not be trusted to not attack yet again in the eve of WWII, now as Hitler's ally. And that's what they literally fucking did.
You need to learn the god damn history, except I think you do know all this but chose to shitpost instead like a good triggered butthurt belt dweller that you are. Choke on shit, faggot.
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>>51170874
Amerishit mutt propaganda is getting really desperate.
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>>51178971
>>51178989
>>51179051
>>51179054
You are up early, armatard.
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>>51177700
Sanctions literally helped to diversify the economy that was otherwise really stubborn to change considering the oil money it was getting. If anything, we should invade Ukraine just to force the shitheads to learn to adapt. Not that Ukrain is worth much than that, it's full of the fucking Ukrainians after all.
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>>51178379
No such times, learn history, clown:
>During its existence, Kievan Rus' was known as the "land of the Rus" (Old East Slavic: póycьcкaѧ зeмлѧ, from the ethnonym Póycь; Greek: Ῥῶς; Arabic: الروس ar-Rūs), in Greek as Ῥωσία, in Old French as Russie, Rossie, in Latin as Rusia or Russia (with local German spelling variants Ruscia and Ruzzia), and from the 12th century also Ruthenia or Rutenia.[13][14]
>The term Kievan Rus' (Russian: Ки́eвcкaя Pycь, romanized: Kiyevskaya Rus) was coined in the 19th century in Russian historiography to refer to the period when the centre was in Kiev.[20]
And yes, Moscow was founded during Rus times.
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>>51179073
Looks like the triggered butthurt belter is seething again.
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>>51178656
>how flawed your theory is
Name a flaw.
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>>51158442
the "payload" is all the tanks ammo going off, not the "javelin"
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>>51179090
yes it was called rus, not rossia
people back than reffered to kiev as rus, when they walked to kiev, they said idu na rus'
>and yes, Moscow was founded during Rus times
>moscow first mentioned in 1147. created as a vassal of volhynia
>created after the cyrillic adoption of the rus
>created after the rus raiding constantinople
>created after the christianization of the rus
it get's even funnier
when moscow was created, they didn't have the dynasty to claim the throne in kiev and were completely seperated from the rus principalities
when the mongols came, moscow sided with them and sacked kiev with the mongols
they cleansed 90% of the novgorod population ( which is their only grasp into Rus history btw) and renamed themselfs into rossia or russia after they captured kiev, before that they were called moscovy
russia is probably the biggest larp in human history, right there with the turk roaches that call themselfs 3rd Rome
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>>51179144
You.
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>>51179255
Expected nothing more.
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>>51179221
Rossia or Russia is literally just a greek way of pronouncing Rus, clueless moron.
Yes, Moscow was founded during Rus times. It might not be as old as the Khazar trading outpost called Kiev that was conquered by Russian princes who came from their trading outpost called Novgorod and moved their capital there to have more influence of the the newly conquered southern expanses around the former Khazar trading outpost, only to then move the capital north to Vladimir after the said Khazar outpost was sacked.
Imagine actually not knowing the history of Russia and its succession and still trying to spew some low quality bait bullshit aimed at people who are as ignorant as yourself. Imagine being this absolute triggered butthurt belt dwelling bitch who tries to act as if Russia was not called Russia while it literally fucking was and that the Grand Duchy of Vladimir didn't exist, lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir-Suzdal
Sit the fuck down, kid, you and your shitty underage retarded memes just got fucking schooled. You're not getting paid for such low quality baits by even the amwerishit supervisors, and their standards appear to be the lowest of all the mindless wectoid state propaganda troll farms.
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>>51179265
Is it wrong though, arnatard?
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>>51179284
>Rossia or Russia is literally just a greek way of pronouncing Rus
yes? now educate yourself and read about the exact moment they renamed moscovy to rossia
>Khazar trading outpost called Kiev
>expansion of the Rus
top kek
when Novgorod was a fortified City, Kiev was already a major Powerhouse in that time
Rurik only used Novgorod only as a jumpstart to get to Kiev
The whole Rus' Dynasty and conquering began from Kiev and not from Novgorod you spastic
The Picture you posted is a Shitpost from seething russians that grasp at Straws to be part of the Kievan Rus. They have no saying in it regardless because moscow killed nearly the entire native Population of Novgorod
>only to then move the capital north to Vladimir after the said Khazar outpost was sacked
hahahaha what? are you retarded?
the Dynasty of moscovy had no claim to the Throne in Kiev you idiot. The Rulers of moscow and it's surroundings came from the loser Dynasty and had to do their own thing because there was no chance to get to the Throne in the Kievan Rus lands
another indication that moscovites never were part of the Rus nor european is the fact that they didn't fight the mongols and sacked kiev with them. And that the Mongols always united against a foreign Enemy but let their Clans fight for their throne, which is an indication why they didn't unite against moscow when moscow inherited a big part of the mongol lands
Also the fact that Moscow use the ruling system of tsars like the mongols tells alot
>excited Vatnigger ramblings
you thought you could get away with a shitpost didn't you?
well didn't work this time
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>>51179073
Was wondering where Armatard was yesterday evening, looks like he just went to sleep early.
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>>51179445
>Kievan Rus
No such Rus. There has always been just Russia, with capitals in Ladoga, Novgorod, Kiev, Vladimir, Moscow and St. Petersburg. Deal with it, triggered cuck-hole.
>During its existence, Kievan Rus' was known as the "land of the Rus" (Old East Slavic: póycьcкaѧ зeмлѧ, from the ethnonym Póycь; Greek: Ῥῶς; Arabic: الروس ar-Rūs), in Greek as Ῥωσία, in Old French as Russie, Rossie, in Latin as Rusia or Russia (with local German spelling variants Ruscia and Ruzzia), and from the 12th century also Ruthenia or Rutenia.[13][14]
>The term Kievan Rus' (Russian: Ки́eвcкaя Pycь, romanized: Kiyevskaya Rus) was coined in the 19th century in Russian historiography to refer to the period when the centre was in Kiev.[20]
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>>51179729
lmao the only thing the vatnigger can come up with is shitty cope
there was no russia back than
it was called rus' yes, but it wasn't russia or rossia that took the naming after they capture kiev, before that rossia was called moscovy
keep coping
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>>51179445
>moment they renamed moscovy to rossia
No such moment. It has always been Russia, Moscow simply succeed in putting it back together as it was before the Mongol invasion.
>when Novgorod was a fortified City, Kiev was already a major Powerhouse in that time
Lmao, khazar's bitch cope. Kiev has been a trading outpost of the Khazars conquered from the Khazars by the Russian princes who came from Novgorod. Ririkid dynasty and Russia as a whole was established in Novgorod 20 fucking years before the trading outpost of the Khazars called Kiev was conquered, not by Rurik, but by Oleg on Novgorod. Who are you trying to fool here, cuck-hole clown? Who are you aiming this at? The clueless wectoid zoomer degenerates whose knowledge of history is limited to Holywood movies? Get a load of this piece of this subhuman scum trying to spew some literal history revisionist bullcrap, LMAO. And this faggot is now trying to deny that the Rurikid dynasty came from Novgorod. I knew that hohold are delusional, but cunt, this is just pathetic.
And what is this dynastic clown shittalk anyway, lol? Rostov and Suzdal has been Russian for longer than the fucking former Khazar trading outpost. Kievan princes like Vladimir the Great all came from Novgorod, and the dynasties of Rostov, Suztal, Vladimir and subsequently Moscow are all traced to these Novgorodian princes who ruled the conquered Khazar outpost called Kiev.
Get a load of this bitch ass butthurt belt pussy, trying to act all cool while literally saying nothing but his shitty wectoid propaganda memes. Who are you trying to fool, faggot? LOL, sit the fuck down, you just got schooled again like the bitch that you are. And fucking stay down.
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>>51179759
>Another cuck-hole desperate attempt to deny and rewrite history
Let's help this subhuman pig learn it properly:
>>During its existence, Kievan Rus' was known as
>the "land of the Rus"
>(Old East Slavic: póycьcкaѧ зeмлѧ,
>from the ethnonym Póycь;
>Greek: Ῥῶς;
>Arabic: الروس ar-Rūs),
>in Greek as Ῥωσία,
>in Old French as Russie,
>Rossie,
>in Latin as Rusia or Russia
>(with local German spelling variants Ruscia and Ruzzia),
>and from the 12th century also Ruthenia or Rutenia.[13][14]
And let's add the cherry on the top again to make his seethe a little more while he learns it:
>The term Kievan Rus' (Russian: Ки́eвcкaя Pycь, romanized: Kiyevskaya Rus) was coined in the 19th century in Russian historiography to refer to the period when the centre was in Kiev.[20]
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>>51179820
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>>51179820
Why do you take this low effort bait, retard?
You are making Russians look worse.
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>>51179820
So what you are saying is that Russia is rightfully Ukrainian clay?
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>>51179796
Holy Cope
you can't succeed when you have no dynasty you clown
>as it was before the Mongol invasion
lmao
historylet
moscow only came to power, because they sided with the mongols and sacked Kiev with them
moscow was a vassal of volhynia prior to that you spastic
>Novgorod
why do you clinge so hard to that city? moscovites cleansed it from it's native population so it's a completely different region now
you are absolutely boiling you retard
Ruriks dynasty didn't begin in Novgorod, but in Kiev
Dynasty is a right to the throne. can't have that if your ruler comes from a father that decided to fuck a dog
every tale you know about the Rus' started in Kiev
Kievan Rus Dynasty raided Constantinople
Kievan Rus Dynasty brought the Cyrillic Alpabet to east Slavs
Kievan Rus Dynasty had it's ties with Harald Hardrada
not some shitty offshoot moscovites that sided with the mongols from the very beginning, sacked kiev and claim to be part of the Rus' because they once capture and cleansed Novgorod
there were also no Tsars in the Rus', this comes from asians
keep seething you pelmeni eating cunt eyed subhuman lmao
>>51179820
so how was russia called before they renamed themselfs?
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>>51179962

have some Uki Sushi Shlomo.

Kiev Russ is a modern definition. there was no such state. only Russia.
also Ukraine is russian slay and r4ussian soil bydlo joo must fuck off there.. either by cadavers or by running with leaving everything back. i prefer cadavers way..
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>>51179962
>train everyone in country to be a soldier
>put military stockpiles in all regions
>FORGET THAT RUSSIANS ARE 1/3 OF POPULATION
>riot because russia said yes to a trade agreement and EU told you to fucknoff
>call it euromaidan
>because it is OUR time to be in europe!
>violently overthrow elected government
>ban russian language (?isnt it the same?) and try to reeducate russian kids into ukrainians
>suspend all laws to create new government
>FORGET THAT THE RUSSIANS YOU ARMED AND TRAINED NOW ALSO DONT HAVE TO FOLLOW LAWS
Why are you mad at Russia?
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>51179051
Fine schizoposting
However
> Now, this is a proper butthurt belt
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>>51179759
Pядoм c жидoм — нe житьё, a вытьё.
Жидa пpиютить — вoлкa в хлeв пycтить.
Хopoш был дoм, дa жид пoceлилcя в нём.
C жидoм кaшy вapить — ceбя oтpaвить.
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>>51180000
there was no russia, it was called Rus' with the centre in Kyiv
moscovites renamed themselfs to russia after they captured Kyiv, before that they were part of the Golden Horde and Sacked the Cities they claim to be part of now, because it's cool to be European and bad to be Asian
Also Bydlo was invented by Poles for moscovites, because just like now, moscovites back than were poor, drunk, aids ridden slaves to whomever got the power over them
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>>51180028

>joo rooster sounds

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! lol. also fuck Poland.
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>>51180045
>response of the offshoot mongol is lip smacking
typical
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>>51180065
>live in siberian valley
>river gives water
>fish and rabbit give meat
>bushes give fruit
>crows and jays give conversation
>fox provide standup comedy
>wolf is a frenemy and constant foil
>mark territory with poop so bear doesnt come
>....
>some commieblock guy who bathes in his own urine and feced tries to say something
What you said? Satellite connection is bad, say again.
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>>51180179
>be Muttnik
>live in the city the started the commieblocks first
>watch TV and think shithole is great
>look in the mirror
>think slant eyes and big nose comes from environment and not from mongols and commie intermixing
>go on american internet, get angry at europeans enjoying nature
>want to showem
>go outside and drink from lake
>get Aids and Hallucinations
>start talking with animals
>police comes
>instead of providing medical treatment they beat you up and up you in jail
>get raped by Muhammed and Oktai for being a pussy because of slave genes
huh?
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>51180068
> when threatened, vatnik starts spamming in subhuman. Much like a skunk l, in hope that smell of excrements will scare away the predators.
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>>51180179
I say, there's no running hot water in 40% of Rußian maternity wards. Hope you remember that, burying your another newborn in that gulag soil.
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>>51180332
>he thinks hot water is a useful technology
worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/infant-mortality-rate-by-country

>>51180248
Is this about Russia?? WTF lol
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>>51160370
You type like a chink.
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>>51170503
Thought it was gonna be Miyagi lol
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Holy shit, the Ukrainian throws a really nasty tantrum when people stop believing their fake news. Hot water in maternity wards, really?? Get better material retard. That’s weaker than your jawline after all the tainted vodka your mom drank, at least they had it in the Kiev maternity ward so she wouldn’t go in withdrawal…
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>>51180005
I never understood the ukrainian nationalism, doesn't the ukraine means borderland?
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>>51181578
>Poles under Russian rule: wtf we are terribly oppressed and robbed of our potential
>also Poles under Russian rule: have the fastest GDP growth among all Polish territories
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>>51181797
Check poland vs ireland demographics during the same period for big lols.
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>>51181919
would this even work against javelin ?
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Vatniggers seething in a thread about ukrainian weapons
but why?
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WARNING- refusing the Covid vaccine is supporting a Russian invasion of Ukraine. Anti vaxxers were exposed today by a Ukrainian general as working for Russia to lay invasion groundwork.

“Friends, I don’t rule out that among these people paid and sent to the capital there are anti-vaxxers – an overwhelming minority – but the main purpose of this action is to prepare the ground for a large-scale invasion of Ukraine by Russian troops,” - General Valeriy Zaluzhny
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>>51182084
It's impossible for them to not be mad when their neighbors grew up past their relations and are trying to improve. It's like an obsessive ex girlfriend.

Not to mention that the ukraine is like #1 means of diverting attention from poverty and decay at home.
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>>51182530
>Not to mention that the ukraine is like #1 means of diverting attention from poverty and decay at home.

Yes, when you are Russia, there are very limited options when to point out a more decayed and poor society, so Ukraine is the obvious pick.
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the shitter who refuses to spell Russia correctly is trying so hard, but still cant bombard the armatard
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>>51180317

Fuck the retarded hung polandball raping russia never fails to make me laugh out loud...Every time I see the shitty russian knockoff of coutry-ball I slowly read hoping that the last page will have my beloved hung polandball and the other countrys looking on in horror
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>>51182798
It's just one of the best.
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>Go to work
>Come back
>The illiterate ignorant cuck-hole pig is still seething because his beloved Khazar trading post was conquered by Russians ruled by the Russian Rurikid dynasty from Russian Novgorod
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>>51160557
>the Crimean ppl after banning their language
Source for this?
I looked it up and can't find a thing on Ukraine banning Crimean Tatar; only on Ukrainian being effectively banned in Crimea under Russia.
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>>51181797
Due to organic rußian incompetence, and despite their draconian rules, Polish nobility has been always been quick to outwit these half Mongolian mutts.
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>>51184066
Sounds more like you are still mad about it.

Also
>Go to work
?

More like vodka infused sleep.
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>tfw cant read vodkascript
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>>51184912
You're not missing anything important.
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>>51179051
cope
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>>51181592
>I never understood the ukrainian nationalism, doesn't the ukraine means borderland?
Basically, but a bunch of asiatics and russian outlaws decided to form a national identity.
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>>51184066
picture made me chuckle
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>>51160557
Go eat some beets, Boris
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>>51161500
>How did they do it in 1950?
Fucking zoomers
They boycotted the vote in doing so made it a near unanimous police action that world powers responded to.
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>>51163822
You couldn't glow any more brightly.
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>>51167058
>They bitched and moaned about not getting federal funds in name your last disaster.
They were literally given hurricane aid under Trump but the corrupt local government (Democrat, color me shocked) played their partisan games and hid the stuff in various warehouses across the island making up bullshit that they never received anything and the media already against Trump ran with it without doing any fucking investigations. It only took wandering Puerto Ricans to find these supplies, most already expired, and nothing came of it with the media sweeping it under the rug. Fuck leftists, fuck democrats. All deserve the fucking bullet and sick of them getting away with their hypocrisy.
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>>51169599
Stop kvetching and FEED THE STARVING ISRAELIS
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>>51161521
>Not realizing the whole point of the exercise was to establish a democratic voting system of countries in which the civilized countries have majority control, because nobody wants to live like a soulless bugman

Its not a bug, its a design feature. Russia and China were supposed to join, behave and get out-voted on every issue because nobody wants to live like a Chinese person. Not even the Chinese.
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>>51161508
>Rightful Russian clay
Could you just be happy that you have the world's biggest ball of nothing? You don't need any more clay. Leave some for the other slavs who don't want to be Russian and the rest of the human race in general, thanks.
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>>51187476
>you have the world's biggest ball of nothing
Exactly. Most of it is borderline unusable due to horrific climate conditions.
Ukrainian land could be more profitable than like 60% of the Russian territory combined.
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>>51187464
Wrong.

All that matters is the UNSC and its done its job very well.
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>>51166863
>Why the huge explosion of boxy looking thing that might be a tank?
That was probably an MLRS
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>>51163822
Yeah there are a lot of shitposters here who do not understand the long game.

Having authoritarian nuclear powers controlling half the planet is bad for everyone who wants to be free.
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>>51188681
I have a tough time believing that much of Alaska will be underwater having seen all the mountains
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>>51189411
It's not about being underwater, this is a map depicting territories suitable for human habitat.
https://vividmaps.com/largest-country-world/
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>>51160557
>when they were the first to pile up an army on the border
Firstly, incorrect. Funny how when russia is moving convoys to borders you cry out "RUSSIA HAS A RIGHT TO DO WHAT IT WANTS ON ITS OWN TERRITORY" yet here you are saying it gave the russians right to invade. Would the ukranians have a right to start blasting the russian bases once they set up near the border?
>start using turkish drone
You prefer they use regular artillery? If anything the use of drones minimize risk to the civilian population as you can more easily identify the target.
>now is launching javelins at the Crimean ppl
outright lie
>being totally corrupt
Corruption is way down in ukraine since the revolution, sure its not paradice but neither is russia for that matter.
>banning their language
Again, an outright lie.
>starting this war
Russia invaded ukraine by taking crimea. Wether it was justified or not is another matter, but the matter of "who started the war" is easy; russia.
>>51172795
>Ukraine serves the jews unlike based ruskis!
Yeah bro, so based to start a war killing 13k white people (on both sides people suffer) for some coal mines, square miles and international power-playing.
Im fucking tired of edgy 17 year olds, usually american, watching a video of russian cops beating up some faggots then going "WOW RUSSIA BASED!!". The world isn't black and white.
Any nation that starts a war resulting in thousands upon thousands of dead white people over minor shit, lies and political powerplaying is the jew in my eyes. At least ukraine is just defending themselves, fact of the matter is if it wasnt for russia invading 13k white people would be alive. So was it worth it?
In my eyes the side that both started this unneccisary war and keeps the conflict going is the one I hope gets destroyed.
But this point is never actually tackled by the ruski shills, instead they bring up some obscure historical event 150 years ago or some shit and justify it that way.
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>>51190225
>Any nation that starts a war resulting in thousands upon thousands of dead white people over minor shit, lies and political powerplaying is the jew in my eyes.
Correct.
>In my eyes the side that both started this unneccisary war and keeps the conflict going is the one I hope gets destroyed.
True.
>But this point is never actually tackled by the ruski shills
Nah, we say the same thing all the time, illegal Ukrainian government needs to be held accountable for what they did.
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>>51190398
Held accountable for what exactly? Protecting their borders?
Ruskis will act like they were literally preventing a genocide against the eastern part of the countries, it's an outright lie. Eastern ukranians were not being attacked by the ukranian army, like propaganda was saying at the time. They weren't even deployed there at the time. Such disinformation was spread to make people fight each other and think the ukranians were coming to burn their homes. Had russians not invaded there would be no war.
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>>51190693
Overthrowing the elected government, starting the civil war and refusing to stop it for years.

There's a good parallel with the October Revolution:
>commies overthrow the legal government in the capitol
>declare themselves rightful rulers
>regional powers reject their claims, take up arms and invite foreign intervention, forming the White Movement
>civil war starts
>commies now blame all the victims of the Civil War on the Whites and Intervention
>after all, they refused to obey the central government
>no, don't question how the central government came to power, capturing the capitol should automatically make you a rightful ruler of the land and if someone protests then it's treason
Post-Maidan government behaves exactly the same way, and it's never a good thing when you behave like commies.
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>>51190693
Also,
>Had russians not invaded there would be no war.
The fuck kind of argument is this?
Yes, there would have been no war. Because rebels would have lost.
Did you know that Britain, USA and USSR could have just surrendered to Germany? Then there would have been no WWII. Can't believe they caused 80 million people to die just for international power-playing, fucking retards.
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>>51190225
Don't bother trying to use logic against the vatfrican
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>>51190897
>non sequitur

krokodil and aids have rotted your brain
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>>51190398
>imagine thinking Ukraine started this
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>>51190830
>vatnik not getting the concept of overthrowing a corrupt goverment that is acting against the country
You gonna be ruled by Putin until he dies. Alternatively until all russian died.
Fucking cucks.
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>>51191201
>overthrowing a corrupt goverment that is acting against the country
Is what Donbas citizens do.
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russians are afraid of ukraine because they are fighting the corrupt and criminal system that was left from the soviet union and is in direct relation to russians
putin and his chekas didn't like this outcome so they started a war against ukraine
russians with their slave genes, legit think it's a heroic act to die in a war, so they rushed into ukraine to do terroristic acts
everybody that supports russia or has sympathy for the kgb subhuman regime should check his dna for african traces and than go back
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>>51169549
>Russia has had problems dealing with Ukraine and Georgia, much less any peer to peer adversary.
what
what timeline do you come from? what universe even?
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>>51179051
If you count 20 year old volunteer expeditions into areas within a country fighting a civil war that are occupied, for instance, by another foreign power (UK) as war as provocations then i guess you could have a point. The question remains however, that why should such considerations be regarded as provocations unless you are deliberately seeking an excuse for war much later. The revolutionary Russia was not a legitimate state anyway and its borders not yet established.

Karelians also rebelled against the bolshevik rule during the 30s on their own accord. No one wanted to be subjected to the Soviet rule if they had a say.

You have to come to terms with reality.
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>>51161475
Hitler was based. If Russia is literally Hitler, then they're based.
Boomer btfo.
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>>51191455
Its not literally Hitler though. It is committed to the post war (ie. baby boomer) narratives about the world war two as an epic, heroic anti-fascist struggle.
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>>51161500
>How did they do it in 1950?
Why do any of you faggots even have opinions outside of guns?
Just switch off your fucking brain and don't talk about this if you're this fucking retarded. Jesus christ I hope zoomers are the last generation you braindead nigger cumbuckets.
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>>51191479
But amerisharts are telling me Russia is literally Hitler, so it must be literally Hitler, which is based. Putler must be very based.
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>>51191322
>still doesn't get it
At this point anything else would be a surprise.
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>>51192062
>Kiev citizens take up arms against a government which they feel doesn't represent their interests
>whoa so brave and beautiful how people rise against tyranny
>Donbas citizens take up arms against a government which they feel doesn't represent their interests, and they didn't even elect
>wait no stop that's wrong
At this point I'm glad I don't get it.
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>>51191453
No, I say that Finnish attempts to grab Russian land through numerous subversive invasions over the course of several years count as an act of aggression. And that your damage control about it getting exposed is pretty fucking pathetic. Talking about coming in terms with reality, lol.
>No one wanted to be subjected to the Soviet rule if they had a say.
Except, of course, for those Red Finns who fought for Soviet Finland, and those Balts who voted to join USSR, and all the rest of the people who created USSR, lived there and wanted to preserve it from its conception to its unlawful dissolution. But other that that, no one really. Especially not the crying bitches who either got wrecked by it, or were angry that they couldn't lay their filthy hands on a piece of Russia, neither back in 1918, nor during the Cold War.
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>>51163822
What changed in ukraine outside of their economy going ass up and a metric shit ton of people emmigratting after the 2014 protests?

Where are the new freedumz?
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This still up? At that pace the thread is gonna outlive Putin
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-morning-update-canada-considers-bolstering-military-mission-in-ukraine/
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>>51194963
If russia wanted to they could take ukraine without consequence

Posturing from both sides is a bunch of pictionary and charades
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>>51195223
i dont think russia is posturing. its almost certain that russia will invade by february unless something changes.
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>>51192736
Your ignorance is fun to watch, no wonder russians keep suffering under their governments rule.
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>>51194797
they are still fighting
ukraine is rotten to the core with corrupt russian elites that do everything they can to prevent ukrainians from getting rid of them, because they like the wealth they got from stealing or criminal acts
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>>51197920
Now it's only the kike elites
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>>51197986
>muh jooos
all the elites are in direct relation with moscow, no matter jew or ukrainian
evil comes from kremlin not from some desert shithole
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>>51171527
>And now we can watch him do his old """logical""" Russian routine.
For me this specific Armatard sock puppet is filed under "the endless (semantics) debater Russian", still remember how he became a thing or started to get used by him more often in 2016/17. He has a strong tendency to fill threads with wall of text posts defending Russia or the Soviet Union when Armatard is having a bad time on /k/ and can't post as open as he would like to do. He also goes to great length to deny Armatards existence or say anything negative about him, he's always more busy attacking everyone else. The best you can get out of him, is how most on /k/ are worse than Armatard after he can't deny Armatards existence anymore. Overall he reminds me of the 'know your troll' warning from Krautchan when he was using the scottish proxy. Picture related.
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>>51198098
Shlomo, go homo
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>>51198546
>Vatnigger still tries to play the jooo card
when in fact, all these JOOOOS have business or family ties with moscow
you vatniggers are eternal slaves, because the gene for will was bread out of your cattle ancestors
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>>51190830
>overthrowing the government
when the government doesnt serve it's own people they have every right to.
>and it's never a good thing when you behave like commies.
Tell that to the seps that run around with soviet flags, use the hammer and sickle in their parades, always talk about killing faschists e.t.c.
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>>51191521
This is the level of thinking this posts refers to >>51190225
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>>51190897
Are you genuinly retarder or did you poruposfully misunderstand the post?
I said it's retarded to start a way and keep it going over such minor things when there is that level of human suffering involved. Britain, USA and USSR didn't start the war. The ACTUALLY accurate analogy would be if I think Germany were retards for starting a massive war killing shitloads of white people. And the answer is a resounding YES! The world would be better off if germany stuck to using their autism to make an ecnomic superpower of white people rather than a war killing millions upon millions of the greatest generation.
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>>51198934
>when the government doesnt serve it's own people they have every right to.
So rebels did the right thing.
>Tell that to the seps that run around with soviet flags, use the hammer and sickle in their parades, always talk about killing faschists e.t.c.
That's whataboutism. It's possible to be wrong on one account and right on another.
>>51198961
>minor thing
>random cunts violently overthrow the government, declare themselves the new government and demand you submit
If you aren't willing to fight against this, what the fuck do you even fight?
>Britain, USA and USSR didn't start the war.
Britain declared war on Germany and it all spiraled from there. Could have just let it go, after all it's a minor thing who's in charge of Poland.
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>>51199157
>random cunts violently overthrow the government, declare themselves the new government and demand you submit
Nigger, they threw out a corrupt russian puppet. Are you unironically defending the pre-revolution government?
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>>51161340
>russia attacks countries and poisons people outside and inside
>people outside get worried for some reason
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>>51199178
Nigger, if you aren't happy with the President, you vote for a different President on the next election, which were due in a year. Maybe impeach him if he's doing some immediately dangerous shit which will cause irreversible damage, and needs to be removed from power immediately. That's the whole fucking point of democracy, peaceful transition of power in adherence to the will of the people.
Violent uprising is only justified if the democratic system itself has already failed - which was the case for Donbas citizens.

>threw out a corrupt russian puppet
And installed a corrupt american puppet.
Did you forget about the Bidens already?
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>>51199178
>they threw out a corrupt russian puppet
corruption is the only constant in ukrainian politics, they all have their snouts in the trough. Even the politicians post-Maidan have been dominated by oligarchs.
The whole pro-west, pro-russia politics is just a big local power struggle between oligarchs.
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>>51199238
Now do these in dynamic.
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>>51160395
>All this fake ass Ukraine shit is being advanced partly for Russia haters to role play
Russia has been invading countries for over a hundred years, mutt.
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>>51160557
Well Russia doesn't have the best track record of peace.
Fucking American shart in the mart.
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>>51161497
>russia and do what napoleon and hitler couldnt
The lend lease, Hitler was doing fine before Americans stepped in.
Stop regurgitating this meme you heard in high school, cuck.
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>>51158087
shithole
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>>51199226
correct, but russia ensures ukrainians don't succeed in removing the oligarchs from their country, because a.) they are part of a big oligarch ring in post soviet countries with the head quarter in moscow and b.) this would give a example how to get rid of parasites
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>>51161500 The USSR boycotted the UN in 1950 because the permanent seat in the security council for China was still occupied by the Republic of China, not the PRC. While they were gone the security council voted to intervene
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>>51198942
Shut the fuck up retard, your own amerishart media and government is telling me Russia is literally Hitler.
Hitler in my eyes was based, so Russia is therefore based if it's literally Hitler, your own media and government tells me so.
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>>51199524
There's nothing based under Hitler, only genocide, imperialism, no free speech, brutal repression, no free press, no human rights nor guns allowed.
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>>51199532
I don't care about your shit ass opinion.
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>>51199446
>Russian oligarchs are protecting Ukrainian oligarchs who are fighting against Russia and call for Russian oligarchs to get sanctioned
This is your brain on whatever the fuck your brain needs to be to believe it, I don't even
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>>51199559
> whatever the fuck your brain needs to be to believe it
It's called "all bad things like corruption stem from Russia and are found nowhere else in time or place" syndrome.
This is basically the "Great Satan" mantra but Russia version.
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>>51181578
Based Pornland. I wish Denmark would figure out that they should just take the EU money and leave, instead we're gagging on (((Belgian))) cock 24/7.
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>>51200845
>instead we're gagging on (((Belgian))) cock 24/7
Why are you complaining, this fits well with Danish traditions to the point where your language sounds like you're gargling on cock.
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>>51199524
>Hitler in my eyes was based, so Russia is therefore based if it's literally Hitler
So what you're saying is you unirnoically beleive the media's presentation of someone's charachter. I WISH Putin was like hitler. I really hope you're just baiting for (you)s



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