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what steps would YOU hypothetically take to defend Taiwan, anon? feel free to add to this list or debate its merits. No nukes, that's an easy copout.
1. Budget increase.
Raise military spending to at least 4-6% instead of the pitiful 2% Taiwan currently spends. Taiwan is overall a very rich country, richer per capita than even South Korea and Japan. It can easily afford to maintain a military twice as large as the one it has now.
2. Fortification.
Build a massive underground tunnel system and bunker complex across the whole island, at least big and wide enough for a truck/APC to drive through, to house civilians, supplies, ammunition, and to allow troops to move within it from strong point to strong point safe from surface Chinese shelling/bombing. dig huge anti-tank ditches across the perimeter of the western Taiwan coastline. Switzerland only has about one third of Taiwan's workforce, and Taiwan has a mountainous remote terrain to the East just like Switzerland. Taiwan has no excuse for not being a fortress just like the Swiss.
3. Air rearmament.
Modernize the F16 fleet and double training and flying hours. Taiwan’s Air Force, its first line of defense, has crippling problems surrounding maintenance and old airframes. replace them entirely for more modern F16 Blocks, or at least perform major overhauls.
4. Allies.
House more US special forces on the island as psychological meat shields. Chinese would probably be a lot more cautious if US servicemen were in their line of fire. China didn't do anything when the news leaked that US spec forces have been on Taiwan before, and they won't do anything in the future.
5. Prioritization.
Stop intercepting Chinese aircraft altogether if they’re not doing anything because it’s ultimately pointless, just posturing at this rate. only intercept if they are confirmed to have genuine violent intent and aren't just dickwaving. intercepting everything just takes a toll on the airframe and is a waste of money.
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6. Conscription and recruitment overhaul.
Raise the conscription time from four months back up to 2 years and intensify training. Taiwanese draftees are a soft, undertrained joke right now. On top of that, emulate Switzerland and allow conscripts returning to civilian life to keep their equipment. Introduce legal penalties if it is not well maintained during mandatory inspections. Adopt Singapore's methods of holding training exercises on select weekends. increase the legal penalty if Conscripts try to dodge the draft. if you enjoy democracy so much, do your part to fucking defend it. For volunteer recruits, increase their pay significantly as an incentive and push a propaganda campaign defeating the Taiwanese outlook on military service as a crude, low-caste occupation. it's as important of a job as any other.
7. General Mobilization.
Train the entire population in support roles. All Women between 16-40 must undergo basic paramedic training in their schools or workplaces, and introduce cash incentives for women that volunteer to learn other valuable skills such as firefighting, demolitions, the maintenance of equipment and administrative training.
8. Scorched Earth.
Once again emulate Switzerland and place explosives at choke points, key bridges and installations, all ready to blow at a moment’s notice.
9. Island fortifications.
Built secret covert radar and surveillance systems on the Kinmen, Matsu and Penghu Island chains, which are varying degrees of close to the mainland, to monitor communist radio traffic and PLA movements. there are currently no Taiwanese military installations on these geographically advantageous islands, probably to avoid provoking China. it's become clear that appeasement isn't going to work.
ould win over China, most of the aforementioned issues would not exist.
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10. Naval Disarmament.
Disband the navy entirely. i'm serious. Taiwan's surface fleet is a bit of a joke and can never, ever hope to match the behemoth that is the Chinese Navy and rocket arsenal. however, the Taiwanese Air Force and Army still have a fighting chance. divert the navy's budget and personnel to the Air Force and maintain a moderate sized Coast Guard for things such as Search & Rescue and maritime law enforcement and all the other gay shit coast guards do.
11. National Will.
Most importantly of all, promote patriotic nationalist education about the history of the ROC. Tell them about the glorious history of the elite German trained ROC divisions that fought ferociously against the japs in Shanghai and Changsha. Tell them about the Maoists’ failed attempts to land on the island in the past. Make the people truly believe that they CAN win over the CCP, because the biggest and most pervasive problem in Taiwanese culture is lack of morale and will. If Taiwan's population truly believed it could win over China, most of the aforementioned issues would not exist. (ignore the last sentence being in previous post, copy/paste fail)
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what would I do?
Arrest Tsai and all the Pan Green retards and let them rot in jail, call up Xi and tell him we're not looking for trouble.

Peace guaranteed for another 50 years. Done.
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>>50820935
/thread
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>>50820928
>Tell them about the glorious history of the elite German trained ROC divisions that fought ferociously against the japs in Shanghai and Changsha.
so are you just gonna skip the part where the KMT fractured and got its ass handed to it by the commies?
LOL.
Apparently when it's you doing it, it's called "patriotic education", but when the commies do it, it's called propaganda.
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>>50820947
>so are you just gonna skip the part where the KMT fractured and got its ass handed to it by the commies?
literally only due to Chiang. that faggot.
>but when the commies do it it's called propaganda
i described the removal of the taboo surrounding the military in Taiwan as Propaganda as well, Hapanda.
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>>50820908
I would build the Exo Corps.
>a highly elite force where each soldier is equipped with advanced power armor powered by a miniature nuclear reactor that also have a focus on moving at high speeds with jump jets rather than just being human tanks
>give them drugs for inhuman endurance
>subject members to extreme levels of tease and denial with at least an hour spent being held on the edge of orgasm every day with no release afterwards as part of training
>when it comes time to fight, their nerves sync with their exoskeleton for better maneuverability than would otherwise be achievable
>this also comes with syncing their dick with a massive horse cock sized robocock
>HQ controls sensitivity of the stimulation felt with the robocock and ensures it's very little unless the soldier is actively penetrating an enemy
>sensitivity also starts dulling automatically when the soldier approaches orgasm unless the mission has been completed
>you now have an elite force of unstoppable hyper horny rape tanks capable of leaping small buildings and cruising over land at speeds a few times faster than normal humans would ever be able to that will not stop grabbing anyone and everyone in sight and fucking them to death with their massive robocock in hopes that they'll finally be able to cum
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>>50820908
>Taiwan is very rich
It's not. Its GDP per capita is 25% lower than Japan in nominal terms - more relevant than PPP because Taiwan is a small country that imports most of its arms.

>Taiwan can easily afford more
No? Its fallen into a slightly above middle income trap. Despite GDP per capita of just 30k, its only growing at about 3% a year, the same as a developed economy. And like many Asian countries its facing an aging population, decreasing tax base and brain drain.

>build a massive military tunnel network
Do you have any idea how long and how expensive it is to construct an underground tunnel? Taiwan's military is facing a significant budget shortage. It has 80% of personnel required, under maintained and over used equipment and an expensive conscription force.

>replace everything and upgrade the f16s
Jesus do you know how expensive that will be for Taiwan? Taiwan's most recent purchase of 66 f16s, just a few squadrons, cost it FOUR years of its entire military budget. Not including maintenance, pilots, training.

>stop intercepting Chinese aircraft altogether
And let China fly bombers over your presidential place 24/7? Maybe as you're campaigning for independence, a fleet of H-6s with the CCP flag flies overhead.
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>>50820922
>conscription is a joke
True. But politically it's impossible. I don't know what Taiwan is thinking, they want to be independent but also don't want to fight.

>general mobilisation
Are you insane? Do you think people would vote for that?

>convert network of installations
They're pretty obvious on satellite and you know, whenever China looks out to sea.
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>>50820928
>disband the navy
You're right it is a joke, but you're still retarded. With zero naval power, China can easily encircle your island with its destroyers, cruisers and carriers. Then it achieves far superior positioning, its air force and missiles can now come from any point along your coast.

>propaganda
The Taiwanese with two or more brain cells knows they're just being used by the US to box in China. The young, dumb, leftist types are the virtue signalling retards that simultaneously don't want conscription but want even more independence.
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>>50821026
Why stop there?
>take existing prisoners from prisons
>remove arms and legs like in XCOM
>subject them to similar extreme tease and denial treatment
>fit their remaining torso into a heavily armored Boston Dynamics robo dog frame, also fitted with a massive robocock that operates under similar ROE, or rather ROR
>dump onto battlefield in large numbers to perform lightning rape wave attacks
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>>50820908
>what steps would YOU hypothetically take to defend Taiwan
Nukes is the only realistic answer.


Nukes and an insanely irresponsible amount of automated sea-mine deployers.
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>>50820928
>Disband the navy entirely.
It's basically their coastguard. A nation with a coastline and no navy has no sovereignty. Their navy exists to police their waters and make the cost of violating their territorial waters war. This is a dumb suggestion.
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>>50821110
>Nukes is the only realistic answer.
And the reason that I think this is simple.

The ONLY reason Korea, Japan and Taiwan were able to style on large land powers like China and Russia for a good chunk of the latter 20th and early 21st centuries was because if industrialization. In every strategic resource the balance of power will always, always, always be in favor of the larger nation. And China is the larger nation. Even today, if the entire country of China mobilized and was committed to the idea of conquering Taiwan/Korea/Japan there's realistically very little any of those nations (alone) could do to stop them. At least not in a war of attrition. Not on paper. Politics is a different story. They can always prove to be unpopular wars that destabilize the CCP by virtue of simply existing. But that isn't quantifiable at least not as easy as raw resources and production ability is.

China is just has infinitely more resource and production potential than any of the other 3 nations I mentioned.China has more people, more factories, more resources, more secure methods of getting additional resources, harder to destroy production centers, harder to effectively blockade, harder to effectively limit their ability to fight a war just based on how much sheer land they have.

Nukes are the only realistic workaround. The only realistic deterrent. The only thing a tiny resource poor island can have that will stop a giant blobbing land empire from wading over to smash their shit.

Taiwan needs nukes. Badly.
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>>50821110
> insanely irresponsible amount of automated sea-mine deployers.
Lmao, mine the entire island and the coast
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>>50821183
Nigger, mine the entire strait. If there's a cubic mile of sea between Taiwan and the mainland without at least 50 mines in it? I have not done my job.
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>>50821177
>>50821110
China would love that. It would give them a reason to invade Taiwan that even the international community would be fine with.
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>>50821197

The alternative is to get fucked up the ass the moment the US is seen as incapable of or unwilling to support them in the case of invasion. Also Taiwan is pretty much not (officially) recognized as a country by most of the world....What are they going to do? Not recognize them harder? USA knows what's up, officially they would condemn it as would most of their allie, unofficially it would be business as usual.
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>>50821201
Might aswell fill the strait with So much gas that its atleast 20 feet above the sea level, and why not just buy and dump all of the world’s nuclear waste on the island
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>>50821201
>mine an international shipping route
Congratulations, you just got Taiwan invaded by China with the support of the whole world.
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>>50821206
>It would give them a reason to invade Taiwan
You're missing the point.

Having a reason to is not the same as being able to IRL. No amount of conventional weapons and men can stop a nuclear exchange. If the Chinese want the island they'll have to turn it into nuclear ash and conquer the remains. Or they can just try not being cunts.
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>>50821222
Uuh based, screw the world and just mine the entire 7 oceans
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>>50821222
>implying

Nobody ever supports China except bitches. Now go suck winnie the pooh's cock you 50 cent getting motherfucker.
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>>50820908
I would shell the place into oblivion for being massive technology thieves and mine the waters around them so no ships can pass.

A few million dead gook taiwanese dead should send a decent message to the Koreans , Singapore europoors and other unmentionable freeloaders that we are tired of their shit.

Also stop shipping food and oil to china
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>>50821215
>be fucked up the ass
Yes that's basically what Taiwan is. I mean, the country and its people is a fucking joke, militarily speaking. Singapore has 2 years of conscription and spends 33% of its budget on military to fight Malaysia, a 2nd world country that has a smaller GDP than Singapore with a corrupt government and basically no history of ever wanting to even fight a war. Taiwan spends 16% of its budget, just 2% of GDP, on military, cuts down to 4 months of conscription, to defend against the 2nd largest and most expensive military on earth and the most populous nation in the world. All while proudly trumpeting for indepdence.

God knows what's going on in their minds. Maybe they think gay flags and lesbian marriages will scare the Chinese off.
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>>50821232
>gets called an idiot for saying an idiotic thing
>"I bet the only way someone would call me an idiot was if they were a paid state actor."
Either take your schizo meds or hurry up and kill yourself.
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>>50821201
>mine the busiest shipping lane in the world and Taiwan's only source of food
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>>50821232
China is polarising, not universally hated. Countries like fucking Iran love it even when they're massacring the Muslims.
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>>50821244
>they're massacring the Muslims.
literally never happened, AP just admitted it
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-china-health-travel-7a6967f335f97ca868cc618ea84b98b9
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>>50821226
Yes, but you're just being practically retarded. It takes years to get uranium, refine it, and design an implosion device. Years more to test and integrate it into a missile. It'll cost dozens of billions for a country that can barely afford planes not from the 60s. In between the 15 to 25 years you need to make the nuke, how will you protect Taiwan?
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>>50821238
I'm not going to pretend to understand Taiwanese politics but I will say they're in a markedly different situation than Singapore. Just on sheer size of what needs to be managed their situations are not comparable though I understand the desire to compare them. Singapore has done an outstanding job of arming itself aided in no small part by the ineptitude of those it's arming itself against. What I will suggest is that Taiwan has had to struggle with an inability to gain official recognition and like you said, it's trying to arm itself against the 2nd largest and most expensive military on earth. Which has all the influence that position buys.

Having Malaysia angry at you because you sold it military rival 50 F-15's is not the same as having China pissed at you because you sold Taiwan 100 Abrams. Maybe that has something to do with it?
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>>50821259
>Yes, but you're just being practically retarded

Except I'm not. It's very much their only chance at remaining autonomous long term.

> It takes years to get uranium, refine it, and design an implosion device.
For a country starting from scratch. They're modern industrialized nation ostensibly trying to recreate WW2 technology. It's not a feat that's at all impossible or even realistically all that difficult to achieve if those that hold power on the island feel it's their only method to remain independent.
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>>50821264
Yes, that's what I'm saying. Taiwan faces a far worse threat yet they do much less. There's a story I heard from a Middle Eastern friend.

A trader walks into a village ostensibly unarmed. A villager angrily goes up to him and asks him why he is starting a fight like this. The trader is stunned and says he obviously carries no weapons. The villager says exactly, by showing you cannot defend yourself you are inviting an attack.

Its the same with Taiwan. Their shitty policies are making a war all the more likely. Its going to be bad for the US, for China and for the Taiwanese. I am baffled as to why they act like this.

Anyone from Taiwan here can explain why? Is it like Afghanistan where you expect the US to fight for you?
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>>50821289
>It's not a feat that's at all impossible or even realistically all that difficult to achieve if those that hold power on the island feel it's their only method to remain independent.


Honestly the most difficult thing would be keeping it secret long enough to not get invaded before you're ready to unveil to the world that you're a nuclear capable nation. But it's still realistically their only chance. Every other method will fall short because they're just a small island nation going up against a much larger much better supplied and capable mainland nation that is actually getting its shit together as well or maybe even better than Taiwan is.
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>>50821289
>from scratch
You should read on the history of nuclear weapons development. It is not easy to develop them.

First, every source or uranium and plutonium on Earth is tightly controlled and regulated. There is no politics in this, no superpower wants more nations getting nukes because it destablisies MAD. They'll fuck anyone up who tries.

Say Taiwan somehow manages to procure uranium. Then you need to build a huge refinery and breeding plants like Iran did. Now you have to build uranium refinery to refine uranium 235. This alone takes many years, despite industrisation uranium refinement techniques haven't improved.

Then say you get the uranium 235. Designing an implosion device is an extremely specialised job that requires thousands of specialists in fluid dynamics, nuclear physics, materials engineering and more. Then you need to test this device.

And yes, it will help them long term. But before the long term there's a short term, where every country in the world has sanctioned you, you've spend half your military budget on a weapon that doesn't work, and the world's 2nd biggest army is at your doorstep. What do you do?
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>>50821290
>Taiwan faces a far worse threat yet they do much less.
You're failing to understand something fundamental. Taiwans adversary is China. Singapore's adversary is Malaysia. You don't seem to truly appreciate the difference that makes. If you're e McDonnell Douglas and the Taiwanese AF wants to re-equip the entire fighter fleet with new F-15's and the US gov. OK'd the deal, do you sell? How much of your production is tied to Chinese supply? Will the CCP start getting fucky with you when they hear you're arming their main regional enemy?

Adversely, Singapore approaches you and asks to order a bunch of F-15's. As e McDonnell Douglas do you even for a moment gaf what Malaysia thinks about that?
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>>50821318
Taiwan had a nuclear program.

Also: Fucking North Korea did it. I think Taiwan can handle it.
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>>50821264
Malaysia is the strongest military power in the region after Japan, and is even more powerful than Australia, Indonesia or the ROK
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>>50821330
But it isn't as influential as any of them.
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>>50821329
>>50821318
There's no political will in Taiwan to develop nuclear weapons again. The previous program, before it was betrayed to the CIA by their head scientist, was being carried out by the KMT in the 1980s when Taiwan's military and economic power relative to the Mainland was at its absolute peak and the KMT was still committed to the idea of reclaiming the mainland by force.

Ironically, Taiwan's pro-independence party which rules now is also anti-nuclear power (yet alone anti-nuclear weapons) and is unwilling to even approval renewing Taiwan's aging nuclear power plants. And their political opposition are all in the pockets of China
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>>50821353
>There's no political will in Taiwan to develop nuclear weapons again.
That might be so. But realistically it's the only winning card they can play that they can get.
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>>50821329
Yes, and they stopped it because the US would withdraw any protection it was giving if it actually came true.

North Korea tried, and now its sanctioned and only exists as a failed state because China doesn't want the US at its door.

You're naive about politics. You think the US protects Taiwan because of its love for freedom, democracy and human rights? It was protecting Taiwan when Chiang was gunning down students in hospitals. It protects Taiwan because its a useful tool against China. The instant Taiwan threats the entire national security of the US by destabilising MAD, the US will probably pay China to invade it.
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>>50821328
>do you OK the deal
Yes, like General Dynamics did.

>how much production is tied to China
By the DoD's own deliberate actions, no critical component is. Possibly steel, screws and other off the shelf parts, but the US does not allow adversaries to be part of the defence supply chain.
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>>50821328
And also my point is not just foreign arms purchases, its their own policies about training troops and defense budgets.
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>>50821356
It isn't even the only option available. Just increasing their reservist numbers to the point where the PLA has no realistic chance to land enough forces of its own to overwhelm them - say about one million troops, which is nothing for a country with a population of 25 million - would be more than enough to deter any invasion.

But they won't pursue that course either, because again, the political will is not there. Taiwanese cry a lot about independence but won't live a finger to ensure it. They deserve to be raped.
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>>50821363
>and they stopped it because the US would withdraw any protection it was giving if it actually came true.
Who cares? You have nukes.
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>>50821373
No, you're still a decade or so from getting nukes. The US doesn't withdraw protection AFTER you have it. Because the US knows once a country has nukes, its almost impossible to get it to let go - because you certainly can't use military action against it.

The US has withdrawn all support, the world has sanctioned you, your economy and supply chains are destroyed, your people are rioting because the unemployment rate his 20%. Your nuke program stops one way or the other.
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USA Annexes Taiwan and makes it the 51st state.
Now China cannot invade, and USA cannot decline to defend.

gooks throw a bitch fit for a couple years, but ultimately do nothing
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>>50821370
That is a fair point but again I'd argue the adversaries are completely different and a 1:1 comparison isn't really feasible. Perhaps they saw the futility of trying to arm a tiny island against 1 billion+ mainlanders who also had nukes? Doesn't really excuse their unwillingness to get nukes themselves. Might just be a case of leftists fuckign themselves over or more looked at in a through a more sinister lens, CCP penetration and influence in the decision making circles of Taiwan.
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>>50821372
It is enormously expensive to maintain such a large reserve force. Reserves need about two weeks training a year and equipment to operate. And they are of inferior quality. The equivalent of 1 million Taiwanese reserves is 12 million US reserve troops.

It could be done but Taiwan doesn't have any grit in it.
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>>50821380
>you're still a decade or so from getting nukes.
I disagree with your baseless unilateral timescale and propose my equally baseless equally unilateral timescale of 1 year.
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>>50821390
Finland (pop 5.5 million) has 900,000 reservists.
Singapore (pop 5.7 million) has 1.4 million. Both nations have vastly smaller defense budgets than Taiwan.

The Taiwanese are literally just faggots who don't want to serve
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>>50821415
Those countries spend much more as a percent of GDP. When you do that you cut into social security, welfare for the elderly, infrastructure, education etc.

But yes the Taiwanese just don't want to serve. I understand Singapore, most Malaysians just chill in the forests and go fishing. And if Malaysians ever did invade they'll find half their shit pawned off by UMNO and the other half made from subpar government contracts.

But a nuclear armed superpower? The Taiwanese are like, meh, they probably won't anyway.
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>>50821415
Honestly aside from nukes having a well organized body of militia would go a long ways to deterring an amphibious landing. But it would require fundamental reorganization of the country to more closely match something like Switzerland. Where many are armed but not in a casual manner. Many are trained but not to a professional level. They're there in case you need them but do everything so that you don't. I'd rather see the the Navy of Taiwan be a professional and well trained and armed force with the Air Force operating as an arm of the Navy. While the army is a largely militia organization with a small core of professionals tasked with organization and deployment of the militia in times of war. Basically, if the Chinese ever land in force and can rearm and resupply that force the war is already lost. Putting your hopes on land forces is a suckers bet. They're there to hold units and make the enemy use up its resources. The Navy and Air Force are the only things that will actually effectively end the threat.

Unfortunately both these things require a degree of professionalism, experience and time that Taiwan has thus far squandered.
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>>50821432
Finland's most likely enemy is Russia. There's no excuse
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>>50821232
>Nobody ever supports China except bitches
I salute The Xi.
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>>50821330
I love Malaysia posting.
It's hilarious, because Malaysia is literally a 3rd world shithole.
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>>50821469
You's a bitch.
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>>50821373
you need to be 18 (and hopefully possesses and IQ > 85) to post here.
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>>50821330
Malaysia couldn't sustain a modern war for more than a month
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>>50821367
>but the US does not allow adversaries to be part of the defence supply chain.
https://www.cnbc.com/2014/01/03/us-put-china-made-parts-in-f-35-fighter-program.html
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>50820908
China frankly respects Chiang Kai-shek more than the Taiwanese do these days. Taiwan is getting to be as gay and retarded as any American satrap
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>>50821475
I'm a huge dude with German blood, and you'll never be a woman.
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>>50821479
If you have nuclear weapons why do you need protection from the USA? The entire point of nuclear weapons is that they make conventional war unfeasible and physical violence as a means of diplomacy untenable.
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>>50821481
a month? try a fucking week.
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>>50821488
I'm a fat pollack with a giant dick that likes fucking women...although they're not too thrilled about it.
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>>50821489
>If you have nuclear weapons why do you need protection from the USA?
is this....
holy shit, how fucking retarded are you?
are you ok?
can you afford your meds?
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>>50821494
A week? Try five days.
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>>50821497
I'm gonna blitzkrieg your butthole and you're gonna like it, faggot.
NO PEROGIES FOR YOU.
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>>50821501
>doesn't have a point
>you're crazy!!!

Ok anon. You win the internets and are smart.
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>>50821507
I broke 2 fleshlights. It's a real problem.
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>>50821481
>>50821494

Malaysia's strength is in guerilla warfare. If any high-tech army like Singapore came across the border, it would be destroyed within a month of Malaysian insurgents innawoods.

Unlike US which was defeated in Afghanistan and Vietnam, Malaysian are the only sovereign nation that managed to defeat the Communist terrorism by their own during 2nd Emergency in 1972-1990, not only in Malaysian peninsula but also in Sarawak where the communist terrorists were supported by Indonesian military.
- Hearts and minds campaign
- LRRP
- Tighter coordination between military, law enforcement and community
- Total control of border and supplies
- Complete air superiority
- Complete media and public information control
- Shared wealth between leaders and people. (Malaysian is are rare example of education and medical services are free to its citizens)
- Non-isolation on minorities (Even the Malaysian aborigines were given special forces battalion composed of experienced tracker "Senoi Praq" and combat intelligence unit within Royal Ranger Regiment, some of them were send to Vietnam to teaches the SEAL's and LRRP the art of jungle combat)
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>>50821481
Malaysia's strenght is on the ground, they have like 300k reservists militia trained for local terrain, along with special forces
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>>50821511
>f any high-tech army like Singapore came across the border, it would be destroyed within a month
Why in the hell would they ever want to go over to that dirty cesspit of a country for any other reason other than wanting to blow up very specific things and promptly leave?
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>>50820908
Nukes.
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>>50821522
Yeah I already suggested that and the 50 cent army was right on cue to shut that talk down.
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>>50821527
Please, Xi would love for Taiwan to start a nuclear programme.
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Understand what China can destroy in the opening phase of an attack.
All plans should presume basic civilian amenities have stopped working, all power plants are offline and all runways and roads and blown to pieces.
Presume all ships sunk and all planes destroyed or grounded.
The only options then would be:
1. The deployment of countless landmines by reservists and conscripts.
2. Arming the populace and having them fight room to room with the enemy.
3. The use of SF, artillery and whatever armoured or mechanised assets remaining to destroy Chinese logistical and supply assets that have been established on the island.
4. Engage in a fighting retreat to lengthen the conflict and inflict maximum casualties to either bleed the PLA out or buy time for international support.
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>>50821534
No, he'd love to know and be able to prove that Taiwan had an existing nuclear program.

He'd hate it if Taiwan unveiled a fully operational nuclear device to the world that no one outside of the Taiwanese gov and military had known about.
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>>50821508
>>50821527
you're so fucking retarded you think any of the big 5 or anyone in the region would allow Taiwan to possess a fucking Samson option. Enrichment plants aren't easy to hide. What do you think the Chinese response would be when they find out you're going nuclear?

And you realize the problem with nukes is that it limits YOUR tactical and strategic portfolio in the absence of a credible conventional military, right?
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Play your strengths: start churning out killer robots. Not even joking. If Taiwan could produce one million suicide drones like the kind that were used in the Azeri-Armenian conflict, they would be fucking untouchable. They should use their domestic chip production to give them a high level of autonomy too.
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>>50821541
>Understand what China can destroy in the opening phase of an attack.
everything

>1. The deployment of countless landmines by reservists and conscripts.
Chinese invasion won't be composed of a significant land element.
>2. Arming the populace and having them fight room to room with the enemy.
KEK
>3. The use of SF, artillery and whatever armoured or mechanised assets remaining to destroy Chinese logistical and supply assets that have been established on the island.
KEK
E
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>4. Engage in a fighting retreat to lengthen the conflict and inflict maximum casualties to either bleed the PLA out or buy time for international support.
BIG LOL

A Chinese action over Taiwan is basically decapitation strike on Taipei, SRBM attacks on all bases and airfields, and a no fly zone over western TW imposed by Chinese SAM units on the mainland and a few 052Ds by the coast.

It's over within 48 hours.
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>>50821545

>you're so fucking retarded you think any of the big 5 or anyone in the region would allow Taiwan to possess a fucking Samson option.

I'm aware it's an enormous risk. Can you suggest an alternative that will actually stop a (industrialized) country 100 times your size that is actively trying to conquer you? Because I can't. And that is the point.


>And you realize the problem with nukes is that it limits YOUR tactical and strategic portfolio in the absence of a credible conventional military

If your goal is to make conventional military conquest of yourself unfeasible against otherwise insurmountable odds, nukes are the way to go.
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>>50820908
Taiwan needs nukes badly. While US military and political leaders are willing to defend Taiwan, the American public might not have the stomach for another war.
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>>50820908
>depose Biden
>arrest the entirety of the west coast for conspiring with the Chinese
>McCarthy every single person in government until the fag who said no nukes is found
>arrest him
>use nukes
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>>50821545
>Enrichment plants aren't easy to hide.
Not if you're an otherwise impoverished shithole. The biggest problem for Taiwan won't be finding physical space to hide enrichment plants. It will be stopping personnel from leaking the info to China. The anon is right. Nuclear weapons are the only realistic military counter small nations have to the imperialism of larger nations.
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>>50821561
>48 hours
That's fair, the only other option I can imagine would be for Taiwan to begin stockpiling and hiding missiles that can reach China, then making sure China knows about that so they know there'll be a conventional retaliation unless China can flatten the entire island immediately.
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>>50821610
>unless China can flatten the entire island immediately.
Can't it already do that in theory?
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Anyone know any good books in mandarin? I'm thinking soon I'll need to know some basic phrases

>I surrender
>The province of Taiwan
>I have no fortune cookies
>Glory to the Peoples Republic of China
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>>50821568
If you can’t beat them, join them.
Sino-TW relationship was fine until these pan green fucks got elected. Imagine if it’s people like AOC and Bernie + john bolton got elected into office and are running the show.
You realize Tsai tweets more in Japanese than Chinese or English, right?
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>>50821623
The only phrases you need to know are:
>I’ll go back to work now
>I do not actively oppose Chinese peacekeeping actions
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>>50821626
>If you can’t beat them, join them.
But you can beat them, that's the whole point. You just don't like the method I'm proposing because you think it's too risky. But whether the CCP invades over nukes tomorrow or invades because it can in 10 years, what's the difference?

>Sino-TW relationship was fine until these pan green fucks got elected

If by "fine" you mean both countries officially declared the other to be illegitimate...Sure.
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>>50821640
>But whether the CCP invades over nukes tomorrow or invades because it can in 10 years, what's the difference?


This. You already know they're going to invade. The casus belli is irrelevant. So long as Taiwan is independent the Chinese will have reason to invade.
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>>50821623
>>50821626
herro roundeye, i amm here to terr you dat chinar is numbah won supah powah
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>>50821650
Yeah, this guy is fishy as shit. He's really just toting that "China is best 4 evah" flag really hard.
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>>50821541
>whatever remaining mechanised infantry
From testimonies of Taiwanese soldiers, it seems not many of them are even combat ready
>previous reporting for Foreign Policy revealed, half of its tanks may not be able to run—and even fewer have functional weapons.
>As Taiwanese politicians showcase flashy U.S. weapons bought with taxpayers’ money, the logistics inside the military remain so abysmal that a young army officer killed himself after being pressured to buy repair parts out of his own pocket.

>Huang Zhi-jie was a 30-year-old lieutenant in the Taiwanese army. Initially serving in the airborne troops as an enlisted soldier, Huang was so committed that he requested officer training—normally considered more work for little reward—and was later commissioned as a lieutenant in charge of a maintenance depot of the 269th Mechanized Infantry Brigade. Huang was supposed to be the model soldier of which Taiwan desperately wanted more: a young, college-educated volunteer who chose to serve the country out of his own volition, at a time when the military was still facing difficult transition from conscription to an all-volunteer military.

>But on the night of April 16, Huang hung himself on a dark staircase by his base’s mess hall. Initially his death was not even reported in the Taiwanese media, until Huang’s mother took to Facebook in a long open letter appealing to President Tsai Ing-wen for an investigation.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/08/20/taiwan-military-flashy-american-weapons-no-ammo/
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>>50821640
Illegitimate, but unconfrontational. China does not want to take Taiwan as much as they DON'T want Taiwan to be independent. Indepdence fractures the entire country and compels them to use force. The rational people on both sides understood the status quo was ideal.
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>>50821662
Like the other anon said. If you're even relying on the Army to end the invasion you've probably already lost. The army should be there to eat up the resources of the few guys that managed to get on your beaches. Your boats and planes should be ending the invasion.
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>>50821670
Oh fuck you really are a CCP mouthpiece. How do you not see:
>China does not want to take Taiwan as much as they DON'T want Taiwan to be independent.

This as a contradiction. Taiwan is defacto an independent nation with its own currency, government, military, trade networks...None of which take any input from the CCP. The only way it stops is by taking Taiwan by force. Even if it joins willfully the first thin the CCP will do is land massive amounts of "police" on the island to pacify any Hong Kongesque "agitators"
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>>50821670
>but unconfrontational
They've had numerous exchanges of ordinance over the decades completely independent of US politics.
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>>50821675
Because of the proximity of the countries to each other, it switches the order of your reasoning. When war starts the spheres of control of both sides aerial/missile forces overlaps and both sides have no clear advantage. Taiwan has no strategic depth unlike China. The only historical way these countries have defended against a numerically and geographically superior opponent - ie the seven day war - is for a fast aggressive mechanised ground force, under sufficient air cover, to take the initiative and strike back instead of getting surrounded and dug into a war of attrition which they will lose.

In other words if Taiwan loses the air battle OR the ground battle it loses. Air power alone has never stopped an attack without a significant ground force.
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>>50821706
I was more thinking how the air battle influenced the sea battle than being a thing onto its own. The Sea battle is the one Taiwan needs to win as it determines the outcome of the land battle.
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>>50821684
It's only a contradiction if you don't understand geopolitics. Don't you get it? It's not about who controls Taiwan, but the appearance of it, the "face", that matters the most. Taiwan as a piece of land is no more important than Vietnam or Japan. Why the CCP is willing to go to war over Taiwan is that the appearance of indepdence threatens to unity of China, especially the Western regions and Hong Kong. If you'd know even a little bit about Chinese history, you'd know China is not a monolith but a series of warring states, so difficult to control even Japan at the height of its power couldn't.

Don't you get it? It's not some strip of land with semiconductor plants that China is willing to go to bloody war over. Its the unity of the whole nation.

>>50821690
They did it wrong, as a joke.
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>>50821714
At these ranges, something like 80-120km between coasts, all branches of warfare are jammed together, there's no single battle to be won. For example both countries land based naval missiles pose as deadly or even more deadly a threat than an enemy submarine or ship. So now they have to take into account how to destroy that - missile artillery, airpower or naval strikes. And all those weapon systems are also vulnerable to the same set of weapon systems across the coast.

So the land, sea and air battle are all one battle here. It'll be a hell of a joint operation.
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>>50821717
It's not that independence necessarily threatens the CCP's image, it's that the whole sales pitch the CCP has for China is basically 'we're undoing the century of humiliation and freeing the Chinese people from Western influence'. Taiwan is the obvious conclusion to that story, just as the Danzig corridor was that for the Nazis ideas of German reunification. It would be a big propaganda win, just as Crimea's annexation was hugely popular in Russia. Taiwan is also obviously strategically significant, since it's extremely close to China.
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>>50821717
>Don't you get it?
Oh no I understand that point. I just care about Taiwanese independence more.
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>>50820908
id heavily invest in anti air and shore defenses.
Challanging china in the air is a pipe dream, Might as well sell all my plans for more stingers. Make it so that flying over taiwan is just constant "BEEP BEEP BEEP" for any commie airframe
And so is thinking you have a chance once the commies have landed.
Bascially hold purely defensefivley till the americans come over and let them die for you
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>>50821764
>Make it so that flying over taiwan is just constant "BEEP BEEP BEEP" for any commie airframe
stealth
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>>50821769
stealth is a meme and you know it
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>>50821764
>id heavily invest in anti air and shore defenses.
You're just biding your time until the chinks reverse engineer a B-2 or F-117 and fly in at night to render your air defense inoperable.
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>>50821318
>>50821353
It would be funny as shit to see a nuclear armed Taiwan insist they didn't violate any treaties because they're the real China, and are already signatory.
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>>50821776
by the time they got done reverse engineering i already have some mutts reanacting gallipoli near Shanghai for me, so not really my problem anymore
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>>50821776
China literally already has stealth aircraft
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>>50821786
China has "stealth" aircraft. They don't have anything approaching either of those air frames in proven operational ability.
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>>50821786
outstealth bullet. In open conflict between nations, especially when air has to be massed, stealth is uneffective. Its good against Yamal and his 30 year old stinger missile or to do a quick check on Vladimir, but not enough to get through a tightly knitted AA network like it would be possible on taiwan
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>>50821793
>proven operational ability
We literally won't know until it happens then, it would be just as easy to claim that of any carbon copy of a US design
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>>50821797
I don't think stealth is fool proof, just saying that anons hypothetical is stupid because they already have stealth planes they've put together.
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>>50820908
1. kick us out
2. negotaite sensible reunification plan
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>>50821647
>>50821650
>>50821658
mutt cognitive dissonance and retardation is truly world leading.
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>>50821805
>50 cents has been deposited into your account
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>>50821684
>Taiwan is defacto an independent nation with its own currency, government, military, trade networks...None of which take any input from the CCP
China is Taiwan's largest trade partner.
You're a fucking moron.
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>>50821742
>Oh no I understand that point. I just care about Taiwanese independence more.
there won't be a Taiwan if it declares independence.
You're retarded as shit.
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>>50821817
>>50821826
>$1 has been deposited into your account
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>>50821828
>gets btfo by facts
>gets btfo again because retarded
>shitpost to COPE and RECOVER
typical mutt.
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Realistically there are only two things that the Taiwanese can do
>Somehow make sure that the US, Straya or Japan come to help when the push comes to shove; or at least make mainland Chinks fully convinced that they would.
>Nukes
That's it. Even if you turned the Taiwanese military into insanely professional and efficient fighting force, and turned the island into Switzerland tier impenetrable fortress, if you end up fighting alone without allies it would still not be enough to 1v1 the PRC for a meaningful period of time and therefore it would mean jackshit.
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>>50821801
stealth doesnt make you invisible. Or invinceble
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>>50821831
You just keep calling me retarded for not supporting the CCP stance of reunification. You're an obvious mouthpiece with zero arguments other than capitulation.
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>>50821511
>t. a malaysian
literally delusional
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>>50821826
>>50821831

And you don't deserve the money you got from posting here. You've done a terrible job.
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>>50821846
I keep calling you a retarded because you’re dumb as shit.
Fix that and we won’t have a problem.
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>>50821844
What?
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lots of submarines
many SAM launchers
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>>50821846
Not him but reading through the posts, if i understand what you are arguing about correctly, he's right in a sense that they PRC really doesn't care about Taiwan being de facto independent, and that their desire to take it back as soon as possible is - partly - motivated by an effort to prevent it's de jure independence.
Basically, the continued status quo of Taiwan being independent but still officially pretending to be the all-chinese government is not all that awful for PRC, as at least Taiwan implicitly agrees that it's part of China one way or another. And in Beijing's mind, it's inevitable that eventually PRC prevails and integrates the island, meaning that even if they preferred for this to come sooner than later, a couple more decades of de facto Taiwanese independence are not really that big of a deal because the end result is still the same.
However, Taiwan declaring itself to be formally independent and not a part of China anymore would be separatism and would throw a wrench into the idea that Chinese reunification is inevitable. And since Taiwanese nationalism has been steadily rising, it seems that this declaration of independence is increasingly inevitable, and that's why PRC is ramping up their efforts to bully them into submission. Not to mention the obvious factor of optics; Taiwan declaring indepence (and god forbid have their independence recognized by the international community) would be a serious blow to PRC prestige.
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>>50821809
he heh he he sirry roundeye, chinah numba won
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>>50821776
They already reversed the F 117, the Serbs let them have it after they short it down.
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>>50821836
>Straya
What's Straya going to do? Throw some shrimp on the barbie, pop open a few bottles of reasonably priced wine at an excellent quality and eat a floater?
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>>50820908
Just surrender, since the chinks can just send wave after wave of drones to take your guys out at the beaches, and only send their flesh troops to do the cleaning in the end
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>>50821986
>>50820908
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>>50821776
oh no no no no
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>>50820908
Replacing aging F16s with the new F15EXs, F35s, or Eurofighters (maybe Rafales) would be a start. I'd also buy as many of those small German diesel subs as possible, and try to make a deal to buy some nukes from Israel, India, or Pakistan. Getting some good air force force multipliers would also be critical--EA-18G and EC-130H and E-2 Hawkeyes. Taiwan already uses Patriot missiles...buying more to beef up air defenses wouldn't hurt.
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>>50821991
god what a worthless piece of shit.
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>>50821986
>>50821991
>RC boat and amazon drone with roman candle
trury numbah won
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this thread has actually been pretty productive and has had real thoughtful discussion instead of nonstop shit flinging. nice going everyone, i knew there were at least some brain cells to be found on this board yet
>>50822062
F35s would be a meme. Taiwan's challenge currently is to send its fighter fleet up against an endless stream of probing Chinese aircraft, over and over again. an F35 is just a huge overengineered trinket ill-suited to the tasks the ROCAF is forced to undergo. Taiwan buying F35s to constantly escort Chinese jets out of its airspace day in and day out would be like a construction firm, instead of buying several pickup trucks, buying a Lamborghini, only to put a cargo trailer on it and using it to haul freight.
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>>50822068
These drones will be sent after the initial tactical ballistic missile bombardment
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>>50820908
>what steps would YOU hypothetically take to defend Taiwan, anon?
I wouldn't Taiwan is indefensible from a Chinese invasion and both side know it for a few decades now the questions has been more if China really wants to take the losses and how can it be done the fastest without many repercutions
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>>50822062
>>50820908
For people saying buy more new, expensive ass aircraft: with what money? Taiwan has just spent money transitioning to a professional force, it's no longer an Asian tiger with GDP growing at 7% a year, it's go an aging population and declining tax base. And everything is more expensive because they operate a hodgepodge of planes from across different gens and have to buy every spare part from America.

Tsai's recent purchase of 66 F16Vs while lauded cost 4 years worth of the entire armed forces budget. And that's for a few squadrons.
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>>50820908
Great points especially 1, 6 and 8. I would add Taiwan needs to use Soft Power the same way Israel and Saudi Arabia do by littering Washington with "Think tanks" and "Policy Institutes" that further cooperation and its interests. Even australia is getting in on it with the ASPI getting a Washington office approved by Defence minister Dutton
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>>50822071
It's also arguable not buying the F 35 is suicide. China has HQ-9s and S-400s whose range extends into Taiwan. At something like 100km, their fighters will have to fly below 8000 feet to keep below the radar horizon of coastal Chinese SAMs. This is entirely impractical in intercepting Chinese fighters and bombers attacking Taiwan. And Taiwan has no way of attacking costal SAMs. A high degree of survivability is probably very important to Taiwan.
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Why would they want to fight when their only military supplier the US is selling them outdated F-16s at prices that would bankrupt the average third world nation.

The US is milking them dry
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>>50820908
Chicken powered nuclear mines
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>>50820908
They should invest on cheap drones with the bare minimum A2A capabilities (a radar and a missile) and keep them flying on the regular to intercept Chinese aircraft, so that they don't have to match 1:1 their fighter flights. It's all posturing, but you need to put a weapon in the air to at least tell your opponent to fuck off. If the Chinese do anything to the drones, either by physical or electronic means, that would be an act of aggresion and next time they get near you are justifified to shoot on sight with real stuff.

Now for the serious shit, this is obvious, but it can't be stressed enough that Taiwan is an island, so invest pretty much everything on quality anti-air and anti-ship stuff of every kind, land, air and sea based. A single missile can cripple an opponent ship, so if you can credibly delete attackers it doesn't matter how skewed the numbers are against you.

Forget about fighting to death on the island. You are a civilized country. If they get in in numbers and overcome your government you can only surrender, welcome your new overlords and continue with your working lives as best as you can.
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>>50821026
based and exopilled.
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>>50821543
taiwan will grow larger. we bring the sun.
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>>50822529
>muh missiles
Do you think China will like up its ships and coast down the shore? They have many more missiles and a greater variety of missiles. Who will win in this fight is who has superior dominance of intelligence and electromagnetic warfare. They should heavily invest in AWACS, jammers and electronic fighter aircraft.
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>>50821485
Reread his post. And try actually reading your article.
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>>50821382
wtf is with that crazy starboard list
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>>50820908
If you count the 4 pests and the Taiwan strait crisis, invasion of Taiwan would be the third time chinks would get dabbed on by sparrows
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Ultranationalism is the dominant ideology amongst Chinese citizens. Bo Xilai (Xi Jinping's most popular rival candidate) advocated for Soviet levels of nuke production, offensive Russian/French-style nuclear blackmail/first strike policy, with a desired stockpile size of tens of thousands of nukes. Oh and he wanted a conventional military to match too...

China going democratic would become an ultranationalist populist state much more prone to brinkmanship and would likely be in a war already, probably by telling Pakistan "you should fight, we will totally support you" when India annexed Kashmir.
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>>50823277
how about you re-suck my dikk you fucking muttfaggot.
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>>50820908
Deterrence more than anything. Sea mines, land mines, and as many anti-ship/air missiles you can buy or make. Creation of an underground network of bunkers for supplies and people. Arming the general populace too.
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The United States will continue to uphold our commitments to the people of Taiwan by leveraging allies such as the UK, pro-democratic partners on the ground such as the DPP and HKG independence movements, and nearby nations such as Australia to contain the Chinese Communist Party's expansionism, authoritarianism, and terrorism. Vulnerable democratic communities will be protected from the grasp of communism, and the regime will be held accountable for its ongoing abuses and engaging with sanctioned entities.
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>>50820908
Escalators everywhere. Chinks seem to fall victim to them a lot.
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From a military or political point of view, having more weapons only makes it more dangerous for Taiwan. The mainland now has overwhelming political, economic, and military superiority. Buying more weapons or strengthening the Taiwan military will not have much impact on the overall force balance, but will only make Taiwan less safe.

From an objective perspective, Taiwan's additional purchases of major weapons are an attempt to resist the inevitable reunification, which is bound to further deteriorate cross-strait relations.
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>>50824193
lol
ok mutt
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>>50823437
Clever.
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>>50824294
Fuck off Armatard

With the 100 day countdown beginning to the 2022 Winter Olympics, the world once again finds ourself watching an Olympic event happen in a nation engaging in genocide in concentration camps. As Americans, we must continue to put pressure on the IOC to deplatform China until it can be assessed that they are not engaging in genocidal activity, as has been reported by numerous victims and eyewitnesses. We need a global pause on a activity related to China, while we assess this. We all said in our hearts “never again” when recalling the atrocities from WWII’s Holocaust, now we must backup those words with action, to ensure such events really never happen again.
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>>50820908
I would do what they are currently doing.
>invest in standoff engagements to make the main fight in the straight
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>Taiwan defence plan
Break out the nukes. Only if you can credibly threaten glassing Beijing are they safe.
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>>50824710
>invest in standoff engagements
aka
>transfer as much of Taiwan's wealth to the US MIC as possible before they are on planes to escape Taipei
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>>50824757
Yeah yeah dude get your cope and your talking points in.
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>invest in standoff engagements
>aka
>>transfer as much of Taiwan's wealth to the US MIC as possible before they are on planes to escape Taipei
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>>50824249
Based. They should buy Brahmos from India to really make Beijing seethe
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>>50820928

>10. Naval Disarmament

Yeah this is probably a good idea. Their ships are all toast or at best they're just floating weapons platforms for port defense as soon as things go hot. They need to adopt the "unsinkable aircraft carrier" tactic and BECOME the navy. Anything you can put on a ship you can put on an island, cheaper, and more survivably. (okay probably except torpedoes)
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>>50820908
1.Nukes
2.Nukes
3.Nukes
4.Nukes
5.Nukes
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>>50824999

Small, cheap, silent diesel subs. They'd make the straits suicidal for troop ships. Try to buy Walrus-class from the Netherlands...they can use Mk 48 ADCAPS and Harpoons, as well as act as minelayers. Sounds perfect for this role.
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Nerve gas the PRC government next time they're all gathered together. Pin it on Muslim radicals.
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>>50820935
Best option, I just want Taiwan to exist for a few more years so I can go eat food there
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>>50821110
>Nukes
>sea-mine
Why not combining them?
SEA-MINE NUKES
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>>50824677
fag
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>>50826599
Mines need proximity to know they're supposed to go off, which means you don't need a nuke to fuck a ship over. Meanwhile you need a fuckton to increase your chances of an enemy ship just running into one, and Taiwan sure as hell don't have the budget for a fuckton of nukes. And nukes don't have all that great blast radius against warships either, you certainly don't need a direct hit with them, but don't expect to wipe out entire fleets in one go. Especially since people have been making sure to keep ships more than a tactical nuke effective blast radius apart since the fifties.
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>>50822079

There it is again. Wumao thinks ballistic missiles are some sort of magic weapon that cannot possibly be intercepted.
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>>50823355

It's turning at maximum rudder during sea trials. Those things are shockingly fast, when they turn as hard as they can shit gets crazy.
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>>50824999

Yeah, that's probably the only reasonable navy. Minelaying subs could cause a heap of problems. They'd have to build some good sub pens to keep them in, not going to keep diesels constantly at sea.
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>>50827006
>us shill posting nigger pics
pottery
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>>50820908
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Disregard the Geneva convention
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>>50824249
>how dare you take our constant threats against you at face value and openly discuss enacting countermeasures to protect yourself
Mainland china biggest problem is not matter of money or tech or numbers - it’s that at some point they started believing their own propaganda proclaiming that that victory/reunification is inevitable due to the obvious relative decline of those who would be opposed to it .
For how much the west is (often credibly) accused of being arrogant and foolish by not understanding the chinese and their thought process, the chinese are arguably even more guilty of not understanding the west and how chinese posturing is perceived.
To china, the writing is on the wall as far as their ascendancy is concerned and since china has ticked off all the appropriate boxes for authoritarian superpower status it is incomprehensible that anyone would do anything other than acede to their demands since to do so is a fundamentally pragmatic and logical choice for anyone hoping to surivave and/or avoid costly conflict.. To the chinese mind, there is zero nobility or romanticism in being the plucky underdog and the weak are rightfully devoured by the strong - as they should be
Unfortunately for china, the very things that they view finally give them the legitimacy to impose their will around the world are also the very things that will piss off enough people/countries to where there is resistance even if only out of spite.
tldr: China is clearly in a more favorable position when it comes to power, but as usual is squandering it by wielding that power foolishly.
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>>50821380
>Your nuke program stops one way or the other.
North korea exists you know?
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>>50821177
I actually think it might be even more realistic than you might think. the use of a Hiroshima scale nuke might actually be useful for Tiawan on an ICBM.

basically it would be a reverse play of the Cuban missile crisis, however it would be defensive in nature and not aggressive in nature.

here is the scenario:

>CCP starts war
>CCP amasses troops from launching point on coastline.
>CCP starts shelling Taiwan from coastal region.
>carpet-NUKE launching point and artillery emplacements.

it doesn't follow mad doctrine and you can basically replace that with conventional explosives, its just that nuclear explosives are more compact and thus meet the yield requirements.

I call this plan: Ghost of Macarthur's Avengence.
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>>50820928
>#10
no never disband your navy. they still need them for peacetime operations. however in war the Taiwan navy should scuttle their ships or go full pirate and use Australia, Japan, or Korea as a port away from home and kind of just integrate into their navy.

if Taiwan should fall, the government in Exile should basically lend these ships and crews to their allies until something can be worked out.
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>>50820908
#1 thing I'd do is rename the country Taiwan or Republic of Taiwan and tell any of our major trading partners to recognize us as a sovereign country or no fucking semiconductors for you
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>>50830266
Also make sure China knows that any invasion on their part will be met with scorched earth
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>>50821805
Why would anyone trust the CCP to stick to any reunification plan after HK? Obviously the CCP will break any deal they enter if they decide it doesn't suit them anymore.
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>>50830292
HK was being destabilized by NED/CIA niggers.
Get real, fucking mutt.
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>>50830322
Ahahaha. Your mask slipped faggot.
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1. Obtain Nuke
2. Nuke Self when bad chinks arrive.
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>>50820947
>literally only due to Chiang. that faggot.
No it was because the US intel community sabotaged them and supported the commies in secret
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>>50830350
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
YOURE A FUCKING RETARD
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>>50820908
Nuclear weapons are Taiwan's best chance. The goal is not to nuke mainland China, rather the plan will be to nuke China's invasion force.
The semiconductor factories also need dead man's switches installed if they don't have them already. If one red boot sets foot on Taiwan, the semiconductor factories should blow sky high. Ultimately the semiconductor factories are all that matter on Taiwan, and without them it's pointless to invade. China would also be blamed for absolutely crippling the global electronics industry; something like 80% of the world's chips come from Taiwan.
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>>50821259
The US could just give them 100 B83's.
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>>50830370
Destroyed. Comprehensively. So absolutely that you've engaged CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL and you're seething into the sunset. Today was a good day.
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>>50830370
>”the chink typed nervously as his ruse began to unravel….”
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>>50820935
>but who will buy my Ratheon garbage!
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>mutts cant even defend their land border against a bunch of drug cartells
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>>50827006
>Thinks that ATBM are magic
https://youtu.be/XTYTIoAyeVk?t=374
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>>50820908
none. why would I sacrifice the lives of my countrymen for some dumb chink island and their beef with other chinks
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>>50822062
>buy all these new aircraft
>they all get blown up before they can even take off
???
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>>50820908
I people misunderstand China's strategic goals. They primarily wish to replace America as the world superpower, re-absorbing Taiwan is secondary. If they attack Taiwan first, they will get slapped the fuck down by western powers, so it won't happen until they have comfortable accomplished their strategic goals. Honestly I think the most likely scenario is a first strike against US forces - a la pearl harbour.



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