How do you build a bunker or cabin without other people knowing about it /k/?
>>50816711Don't tell anyone
>>50816711buy supplies from different places and build it under tree cover.
>>50816755>>50816768but what if you dont know how to build
>>50816794YouTube. Or talk to boomers.
>>50816794>don't know how to buildI take it just your mom raised you?
>>50816794did you play with lincoln logs as a kid?
>>50816822do mothers not typically raise their children?>>50816827building a reinforced underground structure is the same thing?
>>50816711>Buy land in the middle of nowhere >Get out of town people to put in septic, well and build a cabin/home>Buy Atlas Survival Shelter starting at 60,000. They also use out of the area labor >Tell no one Congratulations, you now have a home with a bunker and nobody knows or cares
>>50816856>bunker or cabin
>>50816879Atlas is the worst thing to do if you want to keep it on the QT: they come in with pickups and giant trucks with flashing lights and the companies logo all over them announcing what they're there forplus I've heard they rust
>>50816879>$60,000 for premade shelterSure, if i was an idiot
>>50816856>do mothers not typically raise their children?They do, but I said only your mother, meaning you had no father figure. Sorry, English not first language.
>>50816951you said it correctly, idk why he didnt get it
>>50817007probably because he was raised by a woman
>>50816711dumbest fort I've seen in ages.
>>50816711whatever you do dont bury a shipping container. those arent built to support weight around them, only for other containers stacked. they will collapse.
>>50816817>Or talk to boomers.Please God no
just do it without telling anyone?i live in a very densely populated central European country with very little nature and even i know of couple places where i could covertly build a Kaczynski style cabin
One of my neighbors in my childhood neighborhood has a bunker. His house was built in the 50's, before it became a neighbor hood in the 70's. The original owner was scared of the threat of nuclear war and had a bunker put in next to their basement. The only reason I know of it is because my friend's father was friends with the man. Word does travel...
>>50816711You have to build below ground
buy a plot of land nobody can see without having to drive a few specific miles first.build a cabin on the land. only cut the tree cover you need, so satellites will only see the cabinconstruct your bunker underneath. fill in a nearby holler with the dirt.create a separate entrance out of sight of the cabin (no trapdoor gotchas!)you can use the cabin foundation and sill plate to frame out the bunker until you can get everything properly braced and roofed over.3 feet of earth is considered 100% protection from radiation from any nearby nuclear blasts
>>50817053That's what happens when the Romans leave and take civilization with them, including literacy and metal tools.
Not op but how do you hide smoke from chimney or any fire.Like I can smell campfires so far away
>>50817053because of course you'd know better how to make one in 11th century Europe and could manage it with the snap of your fingers, right?
>>50816794Hire construction crew and once it's done kill them all so no one knows
>find a remote location in the woods>build comfy fort>cover in vegetation >>50818702having trees above the chimney can help disperse the smoke.
>>50818713It's a drawing m8.
>>50818851Fuck me, you must be related to Sherlock Homes. Wonder what its a drawing of, however?
>>50816794Build your fucking skills then, it has literally never once been simpler to learn to build a loadbearing structure than it is today.
>>50818702probably try to insulate really well and use electric or gas heating rather than burning wood?
>>50818785Oh so do it like the Pharaohs
>>50818950>or gas Mmm. what could possibly go wrong there in an enclosed bunker.......
>>50816711>hire contractors >kill them when the work is completedThat way, nobody knows about your bunker and as a bonus you get it built for free.
>>50816711VERY thick walls.
So do you chain a girl in there 24/7 or let her live in the cabin too? And how do you make sure she is cleaning herself regularly and no longer screams to escape?
>tell contractor you want enough water storage to stave off wildfire damage to the home.>purchase and bury water tanks.>proceed to add your own entry and exit points, plumbing and air at later date.>bury smaller one to gravity feed potable water to the bunker.>Another tank to gravity feed fuel to a battery charger/generator.
>>50816879I've found a few of these over the years, built by failure idiots in the 70s. The 'opt-out fortress' plan is self-defeat with extra steps.
>>50821092>create mould trap
just build a flaktower lmao. even the krauts managed to build em despite being bombed to shit and using slave labour.how hard can it be?
You could buy materials in cash from a far away vendor.You could do a project you do tell people about, but order way more material than you need and discretely hide the surplus for the secret shelter. You could rob materials from other people's job sites.You could buy materials nobody would normally use for a building to disguise intent.You could get a sketchy guy on Craig's List to buy things for you, and then pay him cash plus a percentage for laundering the purchases to you.You could largely source your own materials: cut down trees, chisel rocks, gather tar, make rammed earth, use sun-dried mud bricks, maybe even make real bricks in an oven.You could work with people that are close to dying, close to moving away, or mute.Get something premade: like an RV or camper trailer, use cable wench to get it up into the woods if nesissary. Hide either by shear remoteness, digging out a hole for it, or transplanting a bunch of vegetation around it.
>>50816711pre build it then have a helicopter drop it into place
>>50816794Nigga, just look it up on youtube, imagine living in the information age and being so utterly useless you can't figure out some extremely basic ass shit with a few hours of research.
watch forest anon
>>50816711Buy property well away from populated areas.Build cabin with areal and sight-line coverDon't tell anyone. Done
>>50820834You kidnap her as very little and train her to be your wife.
>>50816856>do mothers not typically raise their children?No, they just gaslight and manipulate them and pony them around like a little show horse to all their friends and then leave you completely alone in a dark room for the rest of your childhood while ignoring you and everything you say until inevitably kicking you out and leaving you stranded and in the cold because she was too busy treating you as a pet that got too big instead of treating you as a human with a complex brain and not teaching you things that that brain needs in order to allow itself to survive, things like social skills, personal grooming standards, how to take care of your home, etc.Until her "baby" commits sudoku because life is shit and then she gets to play her hand again to get sympathy and pity points from all of her faggot bimbo friends because "oh my little baby died" like fuck you bitch you never cares about me, Id have been better off of my faggot retard dad kicked your stomach and pulled the eject lever for me to bail out of this fucking burning trash heap of a life but he was too much of a coward to even do that to spare me a life time of misery and sorrow. Thanks for fucking nothing I guessSorry got a little off track there, what were we talking about?
Just say you are into brutalism and buy one of those.
>>50816856>building a reinforced underground structure is the same thing?yes. Don't think of building a bunker as digging a hole, think of it as building a building and putting earth around it so it gets buried. Plant a few trees and bushes in the new built up area.Only the roof should be above ground.
>>50816711>bunkerUnless you own your own equipment, you can't. It's too much effort without having diggers etc.>cabinLearn to make a traditional cabin. Source the timber, unless you own the nearby forest. It's easier to do than people make out. It's just insanely intensive on the labour front.
>>50818702i've heard of people having multiple chimney they let out smoke in different areas not sure how effective those really are though
>>50816755WHATEVER YOU DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>50816879Atlas is really cool for people who need to call a plumber to unclog their toilet and I'm glad they've found their niche but if you actually have any ability at all they're a shit value and underperform against actual probuilt bunkers made from concrete.
>>50823913The Viet Cong did this in their tunnels.
>>50816711I work for a heavy machinery dealership. It wouldn't be terribly hard to do this project in secret. General Contractors outsource their work to subcontractors all the time but, don't tell the customer. You need to take over this role. Its safer to have people only know parts of the plan instead of the entire project. You can also get a lawyer to draw up a standard Non-Disclosure Agreement for all the separate contractors.Hire an engineer to look at your sketches and make a real blueprint. You might need to get a core sample of the dirt first. Engineer may need to know that the ground is suitable. Also you don't want to find out that your bunker was built over a limestone deposit when it sinks an extra 30feet down during the first rain storm. Google Environmental survey to find a company.Next up is to dig out the earth. Any dildo can rent machinery. All you need is an ID and credit card. You don't need any licenses or to prove you even know how to drive the thing. A dually truck is required to haul the equipment. However most places also have a delivery/ pickup service. Average cost is $300 a day around here. Remember that if you ask to borrow your neighbor's machinery instead.Call in your local concrete place. Always overestimate the footage of concrete needed. The extra can be formed into a step, porch, parking spot, or ect. It will be cheaper if the trucks can just back up to the hole. There is a lot of extra time and cost if they have to set up pumps to get the concrete up a hillside and past a forest. On the other hand, its pretty cheap to rent a concrete mixer from Sunbelt or whoever. I'd pay for a team of guys to do it instead. Just tell the crew that it be a septic system for a set of AirBnB tiny houses you plan to build in the future.
>>50823996Now you can drop in a prefab structure or build your own. The final steps will be plumbing and electrical. These guys will need the NDA paperwork. Hire a small guy from a county or 2 over and offer to pay travel time. Done. You can now safely and securely glaze your nuckles in the apocalypse
Dig pit and ramp to desired depth, use nuclear tunnel boring machine. Vapirizes the dirt and rock, turns the tunnel walls into glass. Then make sure the crew has accidents
>>50823664>brutalismBrutalism is legit underappreciated as an architectural style. After the Romans, nobody did a damn thing new with concrete until Le Corbusier
>>50816711you could build a yurt
>>50817084I’ll learn you a thing or two youngin.
>>50816794Do you know how to use a hammer and saw? That's like 90% of it right there.
>>50816817>talk to boomersboomers have looser lips than women anon
>buy a patch of useless, shitty land>build an autism bunker
>>50827349Because they are cool.
>>50828181that's how you keep white men sane as they get older, anon. all that nervous energy has to go somewhere, otherwise you get killdozer
>>50816711cmon anon, what are you building, i can keep a secret you know that bro haha
>>50826126>brutalism>underappreciatedA hundred straight years of a single, "modern" style of architecture.The only type of architecture you can learn in a western university.The only style of architecture you can win an award for from other architects.>underappreciated
>>50826126i appreciate it enough for the rest of the planet so it's more than appreciated enough>viewing this image does not result in a dopamine release for some people
>>50816711Step one, post about it on 4chan
>>50829246This looks like a ZOG globohomo vaccine distribution center.
>>50817073What if I fill it with imitation crab meat?
>>50828830bullshit, it was 30 years AT MOST and barely a trace remians anywhere. It's all modern traditional and bauhaus bullshit commercial buildings
>>50822521We have one of these just up the road from me. Some local cunts opened it and dropped a Molotov in there.
>>50821137Any poorly ventilated underground structure will do this. Metal structures especially. The key is Ventilation.
>>50827349Genghis Khan conquered lands with just this. Why not?
>>50823395Ah, I see, the British way
>>50822521>3 people>2 beds
If a guy can build a killdozer in a small town full of gossiping neighbors, you can figure out some way to build a fucking cabin without getting attention.
>>50826126>Le CorbusierWas a hack
>>50826126>brutalism underappreciated It’s not meant to be appreciated. It’s cold, devoid of feeling or inspiration and meant to eliminate any shred of romanticism; impress loathing, fear, the absence of hope or humanity in its visitors or occupants. Suited perfectly for military installations, prisons, and public university.
>>50832691>being scared of a buildingLooks p cool to me
>>50829272I'm pretty sure its unironically a holocaust museum
>>50832797It's near hong kong polytech's new building
>>50832772>Looks p cool to me
Brutalism can look good when surrounded by other brutalist buildings.The issue is when you build them next to other styles.
>>50832295One is always awake.
>>50832691That's funny because well-done Brutalism, to me, is a pure play of form and light being shaped by material.
>>50833235Brutalism looks really good in black and white photographs. Apparently it also looks really good in artists' renditions. From the little I've seen in real life however, it tends to age very poorly. It either looks like something off a pulp SF cover or the shittiest apartment complex you've ever lived in, no in between.
>>50834678>it tends to age very poorly.Concrete ages like shit. You need to do constant upkeep on brutalist buildings. Not for structural reasons, but for aesthetic reasons.
>>50816925Trucks they use for trade shows and advertisement are not what they deliver their product with.Still a severely overpriced product that rusts out but atleqwt give the guys some credit.
>>50834886You're supposed to let it age and weather and contextualize itself as you surround it with natural forms like trees and hills and whatnot.It's supposed to get old, and eventually acquire the kind of stateliness that castles and churchs have
>>50832691What did you expect, even the name evokes images of dystopian hellscapes.
>>50832691>It’s not meant to be appreciated. It’s cold, devoid of feeling or inspiration and meant to eliminate any shred of romanticism; impress loathing, fear, the absence of hope or humanity in its visitors or occupants.
>>50816711Buld it under your house covertly.Run materials in and dag soil outside in closedn van.https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/07/20/secret-underground-prison-reported-found-near-st-petersburg-a74562https://youtube.com/watch?v=uGJkht0JNJo>inb4 jokes about basement rape dungeon
>>50817109>and even i know of couple places where i could covertly build a Kaczynski style cabinToday secluded cabin wouldn't work, too much multiband aeral footage taken for different purposes, any irregularities in wilderness will stand out. You need to hide structure inside another structure.
>>50832691that's why plants and vines are added latter
>>50816794start stacking concrete bags
>>50823624>Sorry got a little off track there, what were we talking about?How you were going to kill your mom to get her life insurance
>>50816711You buy as many acres around it as you can
>>50835513really prefer the sovl of wickerwork 2bh
>>50828830I think youre confusing brutalism with modern 'minimalist' efficient structures. Brutalism is OVERBUILT on purpose. The entire decorative aspect of brutalism is building a 6ft thick wall instead of a 1/2 foot thick wall, brutalist sculptures are just lumps of concrete. No modern university would give you points for that.
>>50835261Oh boy! An 8bit tumor sprouting out of a natural landscape, just what everyone always wanted!>some Jew, probably
>>50837782Brutalism can best be summed up as what if everything looked like a bomb shelter.
>>50821092buy property with stream or river flowing through and install a pump on the stream that doesnt require electricity. provided its clean water.
bans overit's dump time boys
my dream right here
>>50838482pretty nice dream ngl
>>50835444that thing is fucking awesome. can only imagine going there every day to oppress the citizenry and punish the weak
>>50835225>>50835225>even the nameit's from the french, brut, or 'raw'/.'crude'/'unfinished'
>>50826126Wrote my bachelor thesis about Metabolism - the Japanese take on brutalism. I hated it.
>>50838192Funny enough brutalism was basically started by a bunch of socialists who thought that apartments should have big open atrium's where all the residents would constantly hang out with each other, not realizing that no one wanted to hang out inside of a giant concrete block and had little interest in becoming a tribe with people who just happened to live in the same concrete block as them.Really the whole movement was a serious case of "out of touch artist has his head way too far up his own ass"
>>50840726The biggest problem is that they are actually high maintenance buildings - weathering makes those building look like shit after a few decades.
>>50838500This is badass
>>50842724It needs a more "open" tower at the topyou can tell it's situated in a valleywould be cool to be able to take a master's view of the place
>>50842749Agreed if that top there had 4 windows it would be great
>>50823624Its ok anon, I hate my worthless mother too
>>50840671the modular apartment building was rad tho. Until I was introduced to Metabolism, I didn't understand how truly the Japanese do not give a shit about the buildings they put up. With a few exceptions for historic landmarks, they are perfectly happy tearing *anything* down to start over.>>50840762They were supposed to weather, and you were supposed to accessorize them with stuff that would complement the look.
>>50840762Meanwhile the nazishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruin_value
>>50842879Japanese post war mindset on urban planning was some crazy shit. The Tokyo Bay Plan was some insane shit.
>>50816711>How do you build a bunker or cabin without other people knowing about it /k/?Have already built it at least 10-20 years ago or more. These days though it's pretty hard given how ubiquitous constantly satellite surveillance has become. At the very least you're probably going to need to build something under dense forest, which limits your options a certain amount. Of course, depends on what your standards are here for living, defensibility and so on.One thought I've played around with is having something underwater. I've got a few small (<400' across) ponds I made on my land. A prefab water tight stainless/concrete structure is possible as is a connecting tunnel to land, or alternatively could even be swum to. With depth of only 30ish feet pressure is about 14psi, that isn't a big deal for something that never needs to move. Ventilation not dramatically more challenging then normal underground. Fresh water, so less corrosion issues, and will naturally get covered in silt over time. Interesting challenges and strengths/weaknesses. Temperature moderation is absolutely trivial obviously, all year round. A big issue would be that power is absolutely required yet hard to do covertly. A government would probably use an RTG which would be the ideal. In a wet enough area with a big enough pond hydroelectric could work. Solar and wind stand out though. Can attach them to a regular building, but then if you're not actually occupying said building can't defend it.
>>50842879>>50843002Crazy awesome. Polar opposite of NIMBY bullshit or "that is a historical relic so now you can't change your own property ever again!" bullshit. Wish it was more widespread.
>>50842879If you have to put netting all over your building you're a shit architect
>>50828830T- retard who has never seen a brutalist building
>>50838286>>50838295>>50838302man that looks comfy
>>50840762>>50842879Shit sure doesn't age like wine!
>>50843321How far below the water surface does it need to be for a satellite though? 1 foot if coated with the same sediment from the bottom of the pond?
>>508446841 foot definitely is transparent in the right conditions, will create visible turbulence on the surface if there is a big inflow, plus that's so little water that normal wet/dry cycles would expose it. And then you'd end up with stuff growing on top. Which might be ok off to the side, but would be suspicious more towards the middle. Isn't going to give you much protection if people can just stand on top either. I'd want to be a minimum of 7' from the top surface in a fairly muddy pond myself to make it actually worth the expense and trouble. I've got plenty of vertical though as it happens.
>>50844772Maybe a little more than 1 foot for the dry cycles and flow lines, but if it's towards the center, than people from the shore have to look at it from a shallow angle where water gets really reflective.
>>50844471>Zentrale-TierlaboratorienI think it looks cool. I'd love to ave an office in a gunboat
>>50823624You could have just skipped all of that and said that you had an abusive mother growing up.
>>50816711>Buy a house in a developing neighborhood.>Buy all the parcels of land with nothing on it >around your house on two sides.>Secretly build a basement bunker underground, >removing debris in the dead of night.>Seal the bunker off from the main house, and >sell that house, but not the other parcels where >the bunker is>nobodyknows
>>50816794Kill people who build it.Kill people who knows those who build it.Kill people who would look for people are killed.
>>50845897lol fuck me, I don't know how to green text.
>>50842879looks like a tower made of washing machines, who thought this was a good idea?
>>50845965This guy. Each one of those capsules is a studio apartment that were prebuilt and added to a universal central frame. They could be rearranged and changed anyway the architect preferred in just a few hours of work.
>>50838429Looks like some shit you would make in Minecraft.
>>50846235I genuinely hope that young people making cool things in minecraft inspires future architects to make things that actually look niceevery time I see a new modern art piece glass abomination I just want to go postal>haha cool building>it wont be torn down for at least 40 yearsfuckI hate itwhen can we get a renaissance 2?>can't have renaissance 2 until we have the dark age 2fuck
>>50838429>You may not like it, but this is what peak security looks likeI wonder if they get a nice cooling lake effect from the moat
>>50840726Sounds more like alienated artists trying to recreate the tribes they wish they had. Given how much more alienated everyone is today, we may do well to consider what they were planning.
>>50846330looks like they have an interior courtyard so I bet they do
>>50816711>Buy a castle>Return it to fully working order>Just say it's for historical purposes and to become a museum.
>>50822680no you are :)
>>50837664bit too arts and crafts
>>50818843I really, really wanna make some hesco forts/game blinds but I don't want to have to set up an paper corporation to buy the real thing(s), is there ANY (real) feedback about the alibaba hesco barriers?
>>50846503Sure, if you have 12 year of free time and money
>>50816794don't be a retard. Look at your own body and see how it stands.