Can we have a unit structure thread? What's the purpose of the marine riflemen in the new Marine Corps? They look like they would be good in CQB scenarios with all these rifles - but every rifle has a magnification scope and a full length barrel and a bipod. Every marine a designated marksman?
>>50548290Is there one of these for Chinese squads?
>>50548312Yeah. I think the YouTube channel is called battle order. Their heavy infantry and amphibious units are interesting.
>>50548327Battle Order has one for Chinese army structure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ybxbmZPkLw
>>50548312Yeah. They're all here:https://www.battleorder.org/modern-graphics
>>50548610Turks aren't fucking around.
>>50549177I can't imagine they anticipate extended operations away from supply bases with all that gear
>>50548290>What's the purpose of the marine riflemen in the new Marine Corps?To shoot people
I made an order of battle chart for a battalion sized Davion house unit in battle tech. I'll try to see if I can find it
>>50548290What would a North Korean squad look like?
>>50548610I was gonna say it sucks to be the assistant grenadier having only a pistol,And then I was gonna say it sucks to be the grenadier not even carrying a fucking sidearm on you,And then I was gonna say it sucks to be in the chinese military and have to use their defective weapons,But man, does it suck to be chinese
ArmA III mission maker here, do any of you know how Belgian regular army and paratrooper squads (both historic and modern) are set up? All I can find on the website is the paracommandos's modern setup.
>>50549177Who the fuck carries the ammo for TWO belt fed 308's in a single squad? especially with all that other shit? That can't be real.
>>50548290Don't treat these charts as if they are law. Real equipment layouts will vary quite a bit from what they are supposed to have on paper.
>>50548290CQB scenarios will be solved with liberal applications of HE, not bullets.
>>50548290>Every Marine a designated marksman?
>>50548290>Remember, switching to your pistol is always faster than reloading.
>>50551453I don't understand, outsode of very COIN operations why would a military arm their soldiers in the modern Mechanized battlescape with shotguns as a piece standard infantry equipment in every squad??? That shit's fucking retarded and an extra 8-10 pounds (plus ammo) their infantran is getting fucked with carrying
>>50548290The purpose is to funnel money to H&K.
The guy that makes these graphics and videos is a massive faggot.
>>50551453>Rifle with tube, sidearm AND fullsize shotgunRip his knees.
>>50551453>Rifle/grenade launcher, shotgun, and pistolYea suck a dick sarge I'm not carrying all that shit and the ammo for four different weapons unless you get me a dwarven slave to carry my rucksack on the march.
>>50549177>4 LAWsThey want to be prepared for anything, damn
>>50548290>What's the purpose of the marine riflemen in the new Marine Corps?damage control on a failed HK contract.reminder that the M27 was supposed to replace the M249 and use Beta-C mags, but the mags were shit so the USMC changed to Surefire Gen1 quadstack mags and those were also shit so now they just brought that glorified RPK and give it to everyone rather than admitting they did a wrong decision
>>50551549Youve got that utterly backwards.
>this is what Australians actually believe
>>50548610so do grenadier and ass. grenadier actually share just a single pistol between them or is this some sort of mistake? because If yes that's fucking retarded
>>50551555https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M27_Infantry_Automatic_Rifle#Backgroundnah, you're a retard>want to replace the M249 because "13 man squad don't need that much firepower">beta-C mags shit themselves>w-well we have the surefire>surefire shit themselves>we will just give our AR fuck tons of magazine>AR guy can't carry this many mags so the entire squad has to carry his magazine for him rather than just one rifleman carrying a belt>well, we'll just give it to everyone, that was part of the plan hahathey did a wrong choice and rather than admitting they were wrong and stop that mess like the US army did recently before the NGSW program, they just kept going like fucking retards, an absolute shame because Surefire fixed their damn magazines and they are now working really well, also Magpull made drum mags that are working well enough to be used by french SF in africa.
>>50548290BRENDAN IS A FAGGOT>BRENDAN IS A FAGGOT
>>50551795They make good content so I don't really care what they do with their own funds
>>50551588The marines have tacitly admitted it was just a angle to get new rifles. If you want to go on swallowing the bullshit about SAWs they fed the DOD because that's what it says on wikipedia, up to you my man.
>>50548290I still dont get why you guys dont have organic GPMGs for every squad.
>>50551556>(Late cold war)
>>505517953x as much to LGBT as vets issues. What did he mean by this bros?
>>50551795Lol yeah well his youtube channel's icon was a pride icon for the entire pride month
>>50550386>to guard the radio men and CAS-callers
>>50551901>World War II (1914-1918)
>>50551884So is the rest of the trash grunts are humping. And it really doesnt matter, who carries it. You have weapons sections. You then attach GPMGs to squads, why not have them organic in the first place. Also, the weight of the weapon is not even that big a deal, its really the ammo. Just leave the mounts with your transports.
>>50551976Because we have SAWs (in the Army)
>>50551988I never was a fan of the SAW concept, but that is just me. You either keep the 7.62 with the squads or throw them out all together.
>>50548610>Machingunner is just a QBZ with a drum mag >Grenadier and his assistant just have a pistol between them. Jesus Christ China.
>>50551928>He doesn't realize that the Napoleonic conflicts were the First World War
>>50551556>FALs and m60’s side-by-side
>>50552029Fine, I chuckled
>>50552050I didnt even notice the dates were wrong but I like it anyway
there are no grenadiers anymore. Its over.
>>50552012There's a reason we're moving away from it. It's gonna be:>M2 replaced with SIG 338 Norma magnum MG>M249 and M240 replaced with SIG NGSW-AR>M4 replaced with SIG MCX SpearInb4 textron cope and GD bait.
>>50550379It's not so bad, they only have to hump it one way.
So, is issuing each individual infantryman a sidearm on the field largely a Bong thing? I read that for most of the USSR's existence, your average Soviet rifleman didn't get a pistol.
>>50548290>3-man cell to form a squad.Very interesting, cause the Vietnamese infantry rifle squad also operates in the same principle, 3-man cell to make up a squad, either 3x2 or 3x3 (typical) or 3x4.
>>50551453>Full size rifle>grenade launcher>glock>full size shotgun>ammo for eachMy knees hurt just thinking about it.
>>50552834It's not really a bong thing. Pistols are barely covers in bong training past familiarisation. They are issued in a as needed basis, and they are not part of regularly issued kit. They were issued to op Herrick (Afghan) due to the green on blue threat. Which is where most modern pictures of bong forces have been taken.
>>50552815Kurdish Rambo BTFOing roaches
>>50552881Op Herrick load out.
>>50552955Cool, is there any more info on this? I'd like to know more about the tactical situation, how they got there, it's some amazing footage of real combat that you don't see often.
>>50552983Sorry man, I got nothing. Just these two webms I saved from a thread a couple years ago.
>>50551516>>50551504>>50552876You supposed to keep that shit in the vehicle until you need it.
>>50552836Hey, they lost a war to them so might as well steal their tactics.
>>50552300ARMA 3 PREDICTED THIS!
>>50552300>M4 replaced with SIG MCX Spearholy shit it won't you retarded nigger
>>50552836Something like this. The Grenadier with M79 will be replaced with STV-380 (Galil ACE clone) and OPL-40 under-barrel grenade launcher (M203 clone) in the future. They could also supplement this OPL-40 to other Rifleman to increase overall firepower. The Machine Gunner usually got RPD/PKM belt-fed (typical for defense squad) or RPK using the same AK mag for utility (typical for attack squad).>>50553097I typed all the things out cause somehow there is an odd similarity between both the US Marine squad and the Vietnam Rifle squad except the RPG-7 Rocketman.
>>50553191Here is the STV-380 with OPL-40. Basically, a mutt between M203 with GP-25 grip and trigger and can bend sideways for ease of loading. Shoot 40mm NATO grenade.
>>50552300A genuine question I've seen brought up is why keep both the 249 and 240 in the infantry company when the new 6.8 belt feds out perform both. Having extra belt feds is always nice but maybe it's an opportunity to broaden the scope of weapons platoons and treat them more like the Marines. Giving them loitering munitions, recoilless rifles etc and diversifying the ways they can organically support the company.
>>50552881How the fuck do you hold a bullpup with an underbarrel GL? Gotta be awkward af.
>>50552983The Turks send troops on patrol in Southern Turkey with shit for support and the PKK ambushes the shit out of them in the mountainous terrain, there's dozens of videos of them ambushing and blowing away a few Turks in close range combat in this exact situation.
>>50548346LMK if you want me to get them on the blower.
Oof.An ideal infantry-slaughtering machine.
>>50557174And a well-thought-out all-arounder.
>>50551540>>50550538>>50550379A very large ratio of the Turkish army is mechanized or motorized and they have pretty robust supply chains and a lot of support units, just like the US army. It's actually a big reason why Turkey has the largest army in NATO after the US. A fuck load of vehicular and logistic troops.Sweden is another example of this, with their heavy use of CV90 based mechanized forces who can be supplied rapidly by self organizing Home Guard units stationed all over the country.
>>50549177Mexico has 12 man squads with two HK21s per squad too. They also in theory have 4 LAWs and 1 RPG29 per squad too, but they have been deployed as policing units so much in recent years, that they don't even dismount with any of the rocketry.
>>50558741>Combat Lifesaver/Rifleman>with a DMR and AT4Shit, and I thought the Dutch guy with a shotgun had it rough.
>>50550477Fuck off armatard
>>50558925Some Swede on int told me mechanized troops in Sweden really only ever deploy at max like 1km away form their CV90 unless it get's destroyed or something. Swedish mechanized forces are designed to harass overwhelming but inferiorly equipped Soviet motor rifle groups and accompanying lower quality tank support units. Basically shoot and scoot but the whole squad dismounts every time the vehicle moves and they attack from multiple directions then all move as one again. That's why they have so many explosives.
>>50548610Singapore's my favourite. Lotsa firepower for seven people.
>>50549177If Kurds and Turk could put aside their differences they would absolutely dominate the ME
>>50549177>Expensive MGs and rockets all over but only the squad leader gets an opticWhy?
>>50551556Now all souless AUG clones
>>50553276FN makes a similar UGL
>>50551588>Combat pics of Magpul D60?
>>50560066If by “dominate the Middle East” you mean “genocide the remaining Christians” like the last time they worked together, then sure.
>>50560082Laws are dirt cheap
>>50552836Also in FDF. 2x MG and acog are uncommon.
>>50552957>>50552966>>50553027You saved thumbnails you stupid nigger.
>>50561933>tfw FDF mechanized infantry>Squad didn't get shit except one ACOG and one PKM>No optics, only iron sights (except the squad designated marksman, who got the ACOG to his piece of shit 7.62x39 rifle lmao)Honestly, it feels like the logistic doods just think we're going to die in our first engagement, so better not waste precious equipment on us. Feels bad man :(
>>50561982>it feels like the logistic doods just think we're going to die in our first engagementWon't you?
>>50562229Most likely. There's a joke about it>It has been calculated, how long infantrymen last in combat from enemy contact to death>Common light infantry (jaeger): About 12 minutes>Anti-Tank jaeger: About 5 minutes>Mechanized infantryman: So little, they didn't even bother to calculate it
>>50561982>we're going to die in our first engagementNo antitank weapons or organic antiair eitherIf the ruskies decide to come over in force, yeah you're pretty fucked
>>50562275We only had fucking two M72 LAWs in our squad. We're going to be fucked either way
>>50551540You can maybe destry 2 ifv's with those.
>>50561982Are you guys still using those ancient FN DA pistols as your main handgun?
>>50560403More like make Arabs and Jews their pets
>>50551901The way God intended
>>50565286This really puts rifle in the rifle squad.
>>50561982>logistic doods just think we're going to die in our first engagementthat pretty much is it. estimated time is 2 hours before FDF gets overrun.