Post packs. Day packs, Assault Packs, Rucksacks. All packs welcome.A general thread for showing off your packs, questions on choosing a backpack, what to pack and what not to pack, sleep systems, and other related things.Basic information on choosing a backpack, backpack fitting, what to pack, how to pack efficiently, and morehttps://pastebin.com/DDCA9Z4NLucky Number EditionPrevious Thread:>>49881380
>>49931660this just arrived i hope you faggots haven't memed me
>>49931813Neat, is the predator line just the sabre line but with molle? Looks to be the case
>>49931835Not him but have a Sabre 45 and a Predator 30. Yeah pretty much- they’re not like for like identical except molle but they’re very equivalent.
>>49931813Post more pics when you can
I want a frame pack with overload so badly but I keep spending money on guns:( Not even memeing I ran my last hunt with a condor pack strapped up with 65 lbs of shit. It worked and all, but was far from ideal. As I get older, I'm finding that I really need a frame pack, and if I can just throw my meat into the overload that would be even better
i want a fanny pack. doesn't need to be hypebeast and tactical. just a good one.
>>49933040i've already got a jansport, and the zipper on the small pouch is totally fucked. >>49933043only about 40$ which is not a bad deal by any means. i'll look into them further.
>>49933030Mystery ranch full moon.Pros : huge, cheap as fuck especially for MR. comes in to just under 40Cons : hugeThat's all
>>49933030I'm still undecided on what's best. A classic shoulderbag worn manfashion, a belt pouch, or a fanny pack. Shoulderbags are fiddly but comfiest. Belt pouches drag your pants down but stay in place. Fannypacks sit on my front like a second beergut but are quick to adjust and take off.
>>49931813Are you the ausfag from Perth who wanted a pack months ago? I was locked out of my protonmail account and didn't see your email when I got back in. I posted in the previous threads but never got a reply. You good now?Predator 30 is good. Three things to do:>tape up (duck tape, sniper cloth tape, or electrical tape) or velcroe (Mystery Ranch webbing keepers on eBay) your excess strap>tape up your chest strap>slide your hip belt around to the back and keep it there permanently, it is useless>buy 2 x ITW web dominator from eBay and use them to route your bladder hose.
>>49933543>>49933548>>49933559Not that anon but that’s tidy
>>49932945Have you looked at stone glacier backpacks?
>>49933543I'm that ausfag from Perth. I'll resend the email, same proton.ail address?
>>49933698protonmail is giving me the shits use email@example.com
>>49933567What's the auscam thing, and why?
>>49933726That's a Platatac smock, cos heaps of pockets for storage and acts as wind breaker.
>>49933707Cheers, will do.
>>49933732Platatac make good shit
>>49933548These clips look good, >were in my cart>moved to save for later>now going back in my cartI just KNEW I needed these!
>>49933732>>49933769Is this real life?
>>49934313Those had better be some good pants for 600 bucks.
>>49933030Helikon bandicoot or possum is probably what you want. Comes in solid colors, not retarded looking, the bandicoot is the bigger one out of the two.
>>49934318Maybe they come with a whore
>>49933698>where is that faggot?>IM THAT FAGGOT!!!
>>49933543>it is uselessIt's fairly useless for putting any of the pack weight on your hips (unless you are 5'0, it's actually great for my gf)But it'll stop the pack swinging about and throwing you off if you're doing anything requiring balance
>>49934318It gets pretty rediculas paying for brand.
>>49936365I'll put my weight on your gf's hips!
>>49934313Try kuhl (80ish usd range)Or falravin (incorrect spelling)(120-200) if you want to larp
Thank you ups man for not destroying my package for once.>>49936907Fjallraven makes really nice, if expensive clothing.
>>49933676Look nice, but are basically at the same price point as a mystery ranch. Always an option though, if I can stop buying parts online long enough to shell out 600 for a pack.
>>49933732Platatac is an aussie brand so all of the stuff they have to import tends to be expensive, their own branded stuff doesnt look too bad price wise
>>49937378They seem to have higher load limits than mystery ranch/are lighter packs though.
>>49934313>>49936907Or even cheaper Wrangler's outdoor flex pants. 96% Nylon, 4% Spandex, fast drying. The stitching isn't great but it holds up better than I expected and they're very comfortable. Less than $30.
>>49937473That's what carbon fiber frames and replacing a lot of the 500D cordura with X-pac fabric does.
>>49934313They're a retailor of other brands. The only stuff I suggest buying is those products under the Platatac brand itself. Their IFAK pouches, canteen pouches and canteens (made in Australia) are good. Their chest rigs and plate carriers are good. Their bivi bags are good. Everything else is overpriced brand shit.
>>49937016Which feathered friends bag is it? Quality seem good?
>>49931660DG-16 is an absolute monster.Saved my back during training. That said my sleeping bag fucking sucks (Coleman) and doesn't compress at all. Neither does the foam closed-cell mat.
>>49940880It's late, hit send too soon.All in all the pack + gear here is a pretty hefty 33 pounds. This was for a 7-day wild-land firefighting training course.I used the pack during the arduous physical test after adding some water bottles to the inside (45 pounds, 45 minutes, 3 miles). Got a really nasty blister on my foot when my left wrappings failed halfway through, but otherwise my back was not destroyed. Left foot was though.
>>49940911>my sleeping bag fucking sucks (Coleman)You'd probably gain a bit of compressibility even with a budget synthetic sleeping bag as long as it uses one of the newer synthetic insulations, obviously down is way better at compressing but expense and loss of heat when wet.>All in all the pack + gear here is a pretty hefty 33 poundsNot bad honestly for a 7 day trip, lighter is better but some people go more overboard than that before they learn>Got a really nasty blister on my foot when my left wrappings failedAre you using foot wrappings over socks or am I misreading that?
>>49940949>over socksI mean instead of socks
>>49941038Agreed. No fun allowed.
>>49940949> Not bad honestly for a 7 day trip, lighter is better but some people go more overboard than that before they learnTrip is a pretty loose term. Essentially we had to pack enough supplies to get by on daily physical activity/training WITHOUT shower, and a place to live (tent, bag, pad). Water + food was provided. This is partially why there's a lot of hygenic/care products in here, being 3 days in with rank BO was not going to make anyone happy.A lot of my gear is pretty bulky, cheap, and heavy. The sleeping bag, no joke, compresses almost none. It's almost impressive how well it keeps its volume.>Are you using foot wrappings over socks or am I misreading that?Okay, brace yourself for this one. We're doing the pack test with our 45 pound rucks, and all of us are ordered to wrap our feet in this thin kinda foam film. The stuff that you wrap the interior of packed goods with. Anyways, we comply - we have to, it's not optional. I wrap both my feet with this stuff, and I guess it worked because my right foot was fine asides from a minor blood blister on my 2nd toe (no idea how it happened). My left foot's wrap started to roll 1/2 way through the course, and was just sliding around on my arch and gave me a terrible blister right along my foot's arch. Really sucked. If I had the choice I would've run no wrapping, my shoes were well fit with good insoles and I had a pair of very thick wool socks.
>>49941300>it's not optionalMakes perfect sense. Was just wondering if foot wraps were going back in style or something crazy.>The sleeping bag, no joke, compresses almost noneWhat's the temperature rating of the bag?
>>49941335>What's the temperature rating of the bag?Like 40 lol. Which is fine because it's hot as fuck right now, but otherwise is pretty suffering in the other three seasons.
>>49941456>Like 40Ouch. I can see it in the picture it's huge as hell. My Marmot nanowave 35 bag is the closest I have in temperature rating to that one. It compresses a decent amount, is probably lighter and is like $90 but I'm pretty sure the manufacturer has a thing where if you make an account your first purchase is 15% off? At least they did when I bought mine. Either way if you do want a replacement on a budget that's what I'd suggest.
>>49940266Its an overstuffed perigren, its great, kinda wish i got a long but oh well. I have other bags and gear from them, would reccomend.
>>49934359>fannypack>queer as a femboyfannypacks. lol
>>49940880no canteen cook kit nesting setup?
>>49940880Well the closed cell foam mats never compress, thats why ul fags cut them down or buy skeleronized ones.
>>49941691>skeleronized ones.I rec the Klymite Inertia X-lite Recon. Stupid small, a banana is larger. The Inertia XL is better coverage.
>>49943122Yea my bad, was far drunker than i thought last night.
>>49943611There was nothing wrong with your port or state of drunkenness as long as you're only hurting yourself. The Ridgerest are my fav foams, I have yet to cut upon one. I am into the inflatables lately, but just one throrn or cactus spine and you might as well carry a contractor bag for a ground cloth. Also done this, it's hard, even in sand. The Scout is really a better than nothing pad and is exceptionally small!
>>49941594The -25 bag? Dang, how cold is it where you live?
>>49941630Don't gove a shit if it looks gay, has a purpose and does that purpose great.
>>49943726I just put a foam mat under my inflatable ones for protection, I dont like foam by itself for my delicate back while sleeping.>>49944226With overfill its -35 and its for mountaineering and general winter use.
>>49937016>Fjallraven makes really nice, if expensive clothingI've been impressed by columbia's light weight sun protection shirts. Light enough to wear during the heat of summer but long sleeve and equivalent to spf 40. I treated mine with permethrin as well.
>>49945586Most companies sun hoodies are equal to spf 50, get scammed.
>>49946260It's not a hoodie, it just looks like a normal shirt
>>49946272Normal shirts too.
>>49941645Didn't need a cook kit, got MREs and water at the campsite. Just needed to ruck in and set up with enough equipment for a week around other trainees, and enough personal care equipment to deal with blisters and sanitation with no water source for bathing.
>>49947470>enough personal care equipment to deal with blistersWhat did you bring for this?
>>49947599Equipment:DG-16 packx1 1L bottle (for cooking).x1 2L canteen with insulator and strap, carried this around and drank out of it. 1L is just too little for the conditions and level of physical activity.x1 3-person tent. Ideally it'd be better if it was 2 for weight and size, but I had a 3-person so I used it.x1 Super-shitter Coleman sleeping bag. 30 degree rated and huge, otherwise it's fine. The size is my #1 complaint with it.x1 Closed-cell foam pad. No complaints, it works and it won't break.x1 Inflatable pillow.x4 Black shirts (company policy).x1 Cold-weather jacket.x1 Light yellow rain jacket on the off chance it somehow got wet (it didn't).x4 Pair thick wool socks, plus one on person.x1 Pair of leather fire boots.x1 Tub of boot wax.x1 Bag of sanitation wipes, as a shower substitute.x1 Bar of soap in case we had an on or near-site water source to wash (we didn't).x1 Tarp as an extra ground sheet or shade.x1 10,000 mAH Battery pack for phone.x1 Phone cable.x1 Phone, used as GPS primarily.x1 Fixed blade knife with sheath.x1 Headlamp.x3 Spare AAA batteries (for headlamp).x4 Underwear, plus one on person.x1 Parana breathable pants, plus one on person.x1 Hat.x1 Roll of small Gorilla tape.x1 Deodorant.x2 Pens.x1 Belt, on person.x1 Rite-in-rain pocket notebook.x1 Roll of 3M moleskin tape.x1 Bottle of Goldbond foot powder.x1 Bottle of Blue Lizard sunscreen.x1 stick of chapstick.x1 Toothbrush.x1 Small toothpaste.x1 Eyedrop (just in case I get dust or something in my eye).x1 Cashmere beanie (never wore, too hot at night).x1 Flashlight (Adjustable, 50 / 320 / 1,050 / 4,400 Lumens).x1 Neck gater (extra sun protection + dust protection).x1 Oakley M-Frames, because they're far more comfy than issued safety glasses.
>>49931660What sandals are those?
>>49948080One of them looks like the Keen Arroyo II
I want a low profile backpack for my ak pistol it's about 22.5 inches long
>>49949146That's fairly long, most 45L hiking packs would probably be long enough to fit the rifle vertically in the main compartment. You'd have to put stuff around it to hide the shape and keep it from falling over though. Depends what you man by low profile. Bright colors so it looks really non-tactical or neutral colors.
I have a Gregory 65l pHiking pack, would it be worthwhile to get an ILBE for a larp/bugout bag? Or should I just use the Gregory for that purpose?
>>49950252If the Gregory fits your shit in it and has a weight capacity high enough then use it. It will be lighter and more comfortable. If not then there are a variety of higher capacity "tactical" packs from military issue to special forces packs that could work.
I just picked up one of these bags. Arrived today. My 11.5 rifle just barely fits in it (although I’m worried about the muzzle device slowly wearing through, so I’ll probably just separate my upper and lower.) Overall the bag is a 6.7/10. For $40 very nice.
>>49950297>6.7/10Such granularity, what stopped you from a full hard on 7/10?
>>49948080>>49948311What is the purpose of hiking sandals like that?
>>49953904Hiking when it's really hot and you're not really expecting to walk through heavy prickly bush the whole time.
>>49953904Great for canoeing in somewhere with a shitload of portage's, I bought a pair for a boundary waters trip and I could not have been happier with them.
>>49943122>I rec the Klymite Inertia X-lite ReconHoly hell. That's a new level of ultralight. I guess it works well?
I received these a couple days ago and they're pretty nice. No color tinting, pretty wide field of view, better low light performance than I'm used to due to the 42mm objectives. No ED glass but at 8x magnification I can't see any color banding. All in all much better than the crap I was using before.
Don't forget about the Alice pack Kommandos
>>49955448Nothing ultralight works well. It's just ultra light.
>>49955448>>49957026It is ultra light and ultra compact. To be used with a SOL bivy if stranded as an emergency measure, more for thermal management than comfort.
>>49940986Foot wrappings are better over socks. Keeps your socks, especially wool, from wearing out too fast.
>>49957002Its pretty easy to forget about something so outdated and shit compared to modern offerings.
I have a problem /k My right arm becomes numb after walking few miles with heavy load,straps are digging into my shoulders like crazy,sternum strap literally exploded after a mile,my chest and shoulders are wide perhaps this is a part of a problem ?I tried to play with straps but it doesn't change much,should i get a new backpack ?
>>49958484>My right arm becomes numb after walking few miles with heavy loadYou're most likely doing some to your brachial plexus, see picture, which innervates your arm>Straps are digging into my shoulders like crazy,sternum strap literally exploded after a mileThis sounds like everything is too tight. what pack do you have? does it have a hip belt?
>>49958548>>49958561Oh neat, it's literally called Rucksack Paralysishttps://wikem.org/wiki/Rucksack_paralysis
>>49958339I was going to say, I'm trying. Even passed on a really cherry example at a swap meet. If it would have had tge radio tray, I would have bought it to flip! But, that's all they're good for, resellinf to boomers and larpers and movie prop houses.
>>49958484Fuck me! Just walk into an REI and have the outfitter teach you pack fitting. After establishing your betahood, ask him to fit your pack from the car because you're weak and pack shit heavy gear.
>>49958548>does it have a hip belt?yespicrel looks like the model I gotIt was pretty cheap so I decided to try it out I was suprised when it didn't break when I crammed 90 lbs of steel plates insidebtw I have the same problem with every backpack even without crazy weights also ribs on the right side of the body hurt me for some reason
>>49958709Loosen all the straps and try following along in this videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AasEfscBvW0Your shoulder straps should be touching your shoulders but they shouldn't really be putting much weight on them. Your straps should not cut into the top of your shoulders or your arm pits.
>>49958709>hip belt?More like waist strap. A hip belt is for redistributing pack weight.
>>49957234>Foot wrappings are better over socksExplain. What are you wrapping over your socks?
>>49957002I remember, just don't particularly want to carry one
>>49953904>>49953966That makes sense
>>49958820>shoulder straps should be touching your shoulders but they shouldn't really be putting much weight on them.This. They should keep the pack from falling over and vertical.
>>49962326Thongs and sandals keep your boots dry for water crossings, sandal for more walking, thongs for less weight. And take enough cordage to replace your bootlaces, or so.eone else's.
Holster on backpack belt or on a separate regular belt?
>>49965983Getting to a holster on your gun belt can be a real pain in the ass with a large park that has a hip belt. On the hipbelt is easier to access. In a chest pouch is also an option.
>>49965983>>49966275THE only reason to drop leg.
>>49965983I like these for innawoods. They hold almost anything, clamp over most pack hip belts (either over the whole hip belt the tensioners, or other webbing on the hip belt), and it takes 5 seconds to unclip and attach to your belt if you want to leave your pack.
Kelty Redwing reporting in
>>49967151>not SedonaBut close?
>>49967151Is it any good?
>>49967151Do you take doggo on overnights or long trips? I've been thinking about taking mine for some weekend hikes but I'm not sure how he'd manage a night in camp.
>>49967151hey i got one of thesepretty dang good but i'm shit at packing and i want to winter camp with a bigger sleeping bag so i may invest in a fatass external frame of some kind in the near future
>>49970434You might be able to spend the money for an external frame pack on a more packable winter bag. Unless you have a lot more winter gear like show shoes and stuff, then I get what you're going for.
>>49950297$40? On base I can get these for $10. Very useful as cheap and durable mass storage bags.
>>49971606Exceptionally underrated! If your goung to bug out (realistically: wildfires, hurricanes, mainly forces of nature), you're going to need LUGGAGE! Wardrobe, kitchen pots, linen and blankets are all very bulky and that's just 3. In grab and go you're not going to be folding for longtern storage, these can pack inside themselves when not in use and take the bulky, lighter stuff. You want to arrive at the refugee center/cave/stadium/gymbasiun/old fisjin spot with no blankets or clothes? Get 4-5 of these! I cruise Goodwill for nice softside rolling luggage. Even if you're draging it in dirt, it's got a handle..
>>49971728I'm a foreigner and have been wondering how that works out in FEMA shelters during major events like floods or wildfires. I assume there is a one suitcase/bag maximum per family member because a lot of people would want to save everything their own if given the opportunity?
>>49971960Inside probably, plus theft would be a concern. But with 6 duffles you aren't going very far unless you have 6 porters, you they would be in your car. Until you would have to abandon it (flooding, down power line, impassable roads). Showing up at a refugee camp with nothing is hardly the best prospect and without baggage you aren't carrying much very far. A backpack generally carries less than a duffle bag, but carries the weight better. Oddly, a wheelbarrow may still be your best transport option. I also like the sturdy 3-wheeled "jogging" baby carriages, but the load limit wouldn't be very high. Nothing more pathetic than an over packed traveller who can't carry his baggage.
>>49972099Yeah, I don't see the point of going to a shelter with more than like a backpack and a single suitcase. Anything else would be easily stolen
Just got back from a 3 mile hike with my Matilda pack, loaded to 50 lbs. I am fucking tired, and realize what kind of shape I NEED to be in. Going to hopefully tackle a 6 mile hike next weekend.
>>499316605.11 Rush72. Such a great bag.
>>49974234How did the Matilda work out though? Comfy?
>>49974519It was fine. Maybe I could've tightened the waist belt more, to carry more weight on my hips. But I don't see any issues with the pack, only myself strength & conditioning-wise.
>>49974513I use the 24 as my bug out. The double tap is such a sexy two-tone. Wish more shit was done that way.
>>49973969I don't see the point of going to a shelter at all unless you have nothing or need help. If I have to evacuate, I'm going away from the horde of desperate people, not toward them.
>>49977841I agree, but I responding to a person who said that his plan was to arrive at a refugee center with luggage because you can't fit clothes, cooking stuff, and a blanket in a backpack. So I responded that maybe a ton of luggage isn't the best idea at a shelter.
No pictures due to moving but this is a qrd of most of what I use:For backpacks and hardshells I like Arc'teryx myself.My tents are made by Nemo or Slingfin, Exped makes good inflatable sleeping mats, and Enlightened Equipment make really nice three season sleeping quilts.If you want to do colder stuff both Western Mountaineering and Feathered Friends make great sleeping bags but they are expensive.For down outerwear around camp I like Feathered Friends stuff and for layering warmth I use a mixture of Patagonia and Himali synthetic clothing.I cook either using a MSR Whisperlite Universal when its cold or I'm in the mountains or a MSR Windburner in warmer temps.My cookware is either the MSR stuff that came with the Windburner or Snowpeak/Evernew Ti stuff.
Has anyone ever used a 1606 frame with an Alice pack? It seems potentially interesting, a light plastic external frame that reminds me of the DG-16.
>>49979316>hardshells I like Arc'teryxI've had good experiences with Marmot's hardshells
just bought this french F1 Ruck for 70 usd, no idea how good it is but I wanted to start weighted march training before I enlist to our military.
>>49980004then these swiss boots for 60 usd, I'm not rich so hoping these last me through the winter at least
I have an old Osprey Kestrel 38 liter. It's on the smaller size, but if you pack right you can carry enough food and kit for a long weekend. It has a rain cover good enough for coastal BC. Build quality is top notch and they'll do free repairs on your bag even if you bought it 10 years agoIt's easily the best value for a hiking backpack, but if you're more interested in camping than hiking, surplus is probably a 1/4 of the price for all the utility and none of the comforts. >>49947990>black shirts for wild fire fighting trainingthat's a dick move>>49955448Pretty much what this anon says: >>49957026It's pretty lousy build quality that sprung a leak in the seam that wouldn't patch and left me flat on the frozen ground for a lousy March weekend. If it wasn't a drinking trip I would have had a much harder time sleeping.I went back to the brand like a battered housewife and bought the full size sleeping mat because it's still relatively compact and I've had much better luck.>>49970386Not him but it really depends on the dog breed, climate, and how far you're walking. Most dogs love going hiking, it's been hard wired into their brain to enjoy patrolling their territory with the pack. A tired dog is a happy dog.
leaf fag here. any recommendations to simulate carrying a rifle without carrying a rifle while pack hike training and getting arms used to rifle carrying while hiking in the city? I can't travel out into crown land (BLM for you yanks) so training in local green spaces but don't want to alert/freak out the normies.
>>49980645Open carry and dab on those libtards, it's technically legal as long as it's non-restricted. I don't think it's necessary to hike with a rifle in hand, if you want train add another 10 pounds to your pack, since you'll spend most time hiking with your rifle slinged. If you really want to train your arms without scaring normies get those wrist weights to simulate you holding your rifle.
>>49980645take a broom. duct tape a 5lb weight to it, and a couple 1lb weights. boom, done. go for a walk and hold it at the low ready.
>>49980709>>49980645thanks. did not think about the wrist weights thing. wanted to practice some muscle memory training to simulate having to carry the rifle and stamina if I needed carry the rifle for extended perionds while scanning the area if a shtf. dunno about being technically being legal. ontariofag here in the center of the universe. mayor tory and PM blackface would have a field day sending the boys in blue after you fast if you did open carry non restrict. not looking to potentally lose my licence and not to mention the legal fight on that shit can fuck you up finanially. heard some stories at the range of some people spending like 5-8x the cost of a toyota corolla in legal fees to fight the the charges. if that does not cripple you financially then you'll be fucked over by trail by media and back sheeped everywhere you go.
>>49980645>>49980709>>49980731>>499807511. Wear Kungfu outfit2. Buy japanese wooden practice sword with carry bag3. Dollarama for those $1.25 70% alcohal mini spray bottles and some fuck tape. Get like 6 of them. You need them anyways for day to day cleaning of shit in covid times4. Heat bottles to flatten profile a bit while being able to put cap back on. Go to local kids playgound and fill bottles with sand and/or aquarum gravel then tape to your wodden sword then carry it in the carry bag.5.Profit
>>49980777trips of truthI gotta admit you mentioned the alcohol spray bottles you were going to tell him to spray the sword and light it on fire
>>49980777>>49980808>kungfu outfit>using japanese swordeither based or fucked up. if you're asian you'll already avoid a shitload of touble with the kungfu suit on as people think you're and expert at throwing hands like the wing chun song everybody be kungfu fight'n good setup tho for training without freaking out everyone.
>>49980808flaming sword adds +15 damage :D
>>49977905>his plan was to arrive at a refugee center with luggageThat is NOT my plan! Lol. The day you find me scanned and tagged in a camp.gov I will be in the freezer section! All I was saying is pack it of leave it behind for the flames, floods and looters.
>>49980777>>49980808Ok, I wasn't really clear on the bottles thing. Probably would be obvious but just incase anyone does this and fulls up sand/aquarium gravel in the bottle with the alcohal in it. It should be a bit of common sense there that you empty the bottles into another container so you can use that for IDK topical antiseptic or cleaning your hands with daily. Should be fucking obvious heating up a bottle with alcohal in it to shape is fucking dangerous considering thta shit burns near invisible during the day time. So yeah, empty the bottles then fill stuff in and tape it around the sword to balance the weight and carry the bag so you don't freak out the people.>>49980981Everyone auto assumes asians know kungfu man. I find asians tend to not start shit unlike nigs. Especially black girls in a pack with guys always IMHO ramp up and start shit all the time. Not all black girls but most times IMHO.>>49980985Good to see some RPG'ers out there. When the shit goes down and the solar flares and shit knock out the grid and stuff all those with DND & RPG books are going to come in handy. :) Always found RPG'ers the most creative folks.
>>49981104Dude, All Asians have accents and can break bricks with thier foreheads.
Some utility/day packs. Arcteryx is everyday/work/travel bag. Two grey ghost gear packs sit in the truck with med and utility stuff.
>>49981828All Asians are related to someone with a convenience market.
>>49976931Yes the double tap is my second favorite color from 5.11. Their storm gray is just really sexy.
>>49982266All Asians have an ancient Chinese secret.
>>49980033If they're in good condition the boots look good at least, the pack seems extremely basic. Try to load the weight you're using for training in the pack sensibly. Vertical and close to your spine, pack light stuff around it to keep it from shifting around.
>>49981897I love everything about Arc'teryx except thier shitty branding.
Why are flatpacks so fucking expensive? Is there a not-made-in-chinkland small ruck that *doesn't* cost $150+?
>>49985429>flatpacksWhat, like the Maxpedition Pygmy Falcon IIfor a hun?
>>49985429Gregory Miwok packs are pretty good, something like the 12L or 18L one might work for you. Seems like they're made in the Philippines if that's better for you.
Anyone here own a Karrimor SF pack? I'm looking for a general bushcraft/survival/bug-out bag and both their Sabre and Predator 45 packs look good
>>49988085People in the past threads have posted their Sabre 45's. Seems to be universally liked if you need a pack that size. I prefer a little larger personally but they seem well made.
>>49988085I've had my Sabre 45 for a few years, it's done over 700km and never less than 30lbs, usually 35lbs or more, it barely has wear on it. They're not super light, they don't have adjustment for torso length, and the Sabre doesn't have MOLLE on the outside if that's important to you, (though both kinds of the K SF sidepouches work well and it'll take PLCE pouches) but they're tough as nails, if they fit you they're fucking comfy, they're good at carrying a load, and they've got reasonable features - internal stiffener, pretty good adjustments, hydration pouch/hose ports, a generous pocket in the lid, etc. I have their Predator 30 too, it's a neat little pack as well but I've put way less miles on it so can't speak on it as certainly.
Thoughts on Crossfire stuff, the DG1 and DG16 in particular? The DG1 for single-day use, and the DG16 for multiday stuff? Looking at possibly joining a friend next summer in northern AZ for a multi-day hike, and the DG16's way of working around a battle belt and possibly plate carrier have caught my eye, even if for mostly larp reasons. Any alternatives I should have my eye on, or am I on the right path?
>>49990035I have a granite gear chief pack and really like it, it is my favorite large pack I have found so far. I consider a superior alternative to the DG-16 because it's almost the same size, 85 vs 80L, 2.5 pounds lighter, and is also designed to be used with a plate carrier, removable shoulder strap padding and a difference lumbar pad setup. It's cheaper as well if you're in the US and can get one of the ones still left on ebay.
>>49931660>participating in an ATF datamining thread
>>49936365Sounds like a short back bergen to me. The weight goes on your harness/belt kit.
>>49990394Yeah that's what it's intended for, I think they even make mention of that on their website. Still a neat small pack though
>>49990400Good news is a PLCE yoke is cheap.
>>49990401don't have any of what you guys are talking about but don't the yoke make it a nother pack compleltey?
>>49985429There's plenty of cheaper day packs. What else do you need? Molle? The ability to zip flat?
>>49990746no m8, it's the webbing the pack is intended to sit on top of.
What must haves should a carry bag to take when shooting contain? Currently I've got earpro and sparte batteries, ammo, pen and notebook a hat sunscreen and some targets.
>>49992141That's a good start anon. The anon below you is right about an IFAK, batteries are a good idea but make sure you have fuckloads and make sure you have them for all the things you forget use them - optics, hearing protection, Kestrels, lights, whatever. A staple gun to attach targets is a good idea, as is a sharpie to mark hits, duct tape is always a handy thing to have. A bag to put brass in if you collect it to reload. Somewhere to stash a water bottle. Hand sanitizer or soap is a good idea if you're likely to do a long day and eat lunch down there - lead's not a brilliant idea to ingest. A cleaning rod is good if a case gets stuck, a small bottle of whatever lube you use in your guns is a good idea too. Add to that a rag and you can give your guns a wipedown before you drive home if you've shot in the rain or have a long drive and have old guns that have fragile finishes. A multitool is handy, same goes for anything in your guns that might be commonly broken parts that are cheap to carry spares - I don't get many weekends off and my range is only open on Sundays and it's a cunt of a drive, so for the sake of a spare firing pin and some other odds and ends I have a little peace of mind that I don't drive all the way down there for no good reason.
>>49990335Omg, don't talk about packs or they will gitchoo!
>>49992203>bag to put brass in if you collect itI use Ziplocs or coffee "cans" (plastic).
>>49992338Bong kit isn't fancy or high speed but it's very good and it just werks. Another reason to have the belt kit is you see those big side pouches on that Karrimor bag? Those are bergen rocket packs; you can take them off, zip them together, dump your main pack at camp and attach them to a PLCE yoke for a 20l walkabout pack.
>>49992322Yeah, ATF doesnt get to regulate backpacks. If they want info on what sleeping bag I use I'm not sure what use it will be to them.
>>49990081Thanks fren. I forgot to mention I'm 6'4" 270, and my legs are (relatively) short for my height. I have a long torso. How adjustable is the Chief (or the DG16) when it comes to torso height?
>>49994967It adjusts from 17" to 22" in one inch increments by screwing the straps into the framesheet using different holes. I'm shorter than you and I'm near the bottom on the adjustment.
Hey I need some help for a range bag. I usually use an old burton school backpack for most of my pistols and stuff but my rifles obviously dont fit into that. Are there any good duffel bags that dont stand out/ just look like gym bags? Im from europe so I need to make sure it doesnt look anything like military or that I have guns in the bag otherwise people will freak out.
>>49995380Depends how long your rifle is my dude. You're looking at something between a tennis bag and a ski bag is all anyone can tell you right now.
>>49995380There are some really good duffle bags that will last forever and have more than enough strength to hold rifles and some ammo. They tend to be expensive though, the cheapest one in this category is more then $200 dollars in the largest size. Pic Related. For a lot cheaper and even more gym bag looking you could buy a large nike or adidas gym bag, something with an obvious logo on it, and a 1/4 inch HPDE sheet and cut it to fit the bottom as a stiffener. You still might have problems with the straps wearing out though.
>>49995380Bass Pro shop brand duffel bags are huge, well made, and pretty cheap. Might not be quiet long enough for milsurp rifles or sporting shotguns but very few things that aren't firearm specific will be.
>>49991922That's pretty cool
>>49995462>>49995484>>49995895Yeah sorry should have mentioned that. The longest I have is a 20" AR but I can take that apart so it doesn't have to be too long I guess.
>>49997123Sounds like you might be better off looking at the luggage end of things. Something like this? Foam out the bottom section and dump your range crap in the top.
>>49997307That is an option, you can find bigger bags easier
Figure I'd ask here since IFAKs and med stuff can be considered part of a bpg setup.Does anyone know any good pocket/guidebooks on administering first aid to oneself and others? Just want to read through a couple times and be prepared.
>>50002918>Tactical Combat Casualty Carehttps://usacac.army.mil/sites/default/files/publications/17493.pdfGood stuff when you and your companions are alone without complete medical assistance. The book is aimed to assist common injuries during combat or phisical training and avoid inmediate death. A doc or a nurse will tell you that the book is barebone.At least it will help you to react better during emergencies and improve your medkit/ifak.
>>50003021>Good stuff when you and your companions are alone without complete medical assistance.Did you actually read the book? It's exactly the opposite of that. It assumes the availability of the entire military medevac system with advanced trauma care in the field, drugs and equipment that civilians cannot easily get, procedures that untrained civilians should not attempt, and immediate helicopter evac under fire.>The book is aimed to assist common injuries during combat or phisical trainingNo, it's not that either. It's focused almost exclusively on massive hemorrhage and blast trauma. You should know how to manage those things, but they are among the least common conditions a civilian will ever see. Even in combat they are nowhere near the most common injuries, just the most deadly. TCCC was developed to address specific deficiencies in the immediate management of major trauma in combat, not as a general training course for military medical personnel. A TCCC-inspired combat lifesaver course is good supplementary training for civilians, but it's completely inadequate on its own.>>50002918Just reading a book is not sufficient to develop any sort of competence. You should get some training. A bare minimum would be a basic CPR/first aid course, but those tend to be very short and not have enough hands-on practice. A wilderness first aid course is a much better starting point because they have a lot more hands-on training and they don't assume you'll always have an ambulance five minutes away. Then add on some CLS or stop the bleed training.Some good reference books for medicine in austere environments include NOLS Wilderness Medicine by Schimelpfenig, Medicine for Mountaineering by Wilkerson, et al, and Wilderness Medicine by Forgey. But to reiterate, you must actually practice these skills if you ever expect to be able to use them.
>>50003292>practiceOf course. In a book format, I just wanted some of the things you need to be cognizant of about caring for the human body in extreme environments, especially in regard to conditions and how to treat them. Hypothermia, blood loss, poisoning, infection, fever, etc. It would be good to also have some kind of information about positions to not rest a body in after injuries. You know, stuff that is probably common sense for practiced persons but uncommon knowledge for anyone else.
>>50003292Tccc anon here. You are right anon, the TCCC manual can be too specific and overkill for many people, was the one I knew and used during the Army. It was useful in my experience, but not everybody has to evacuate a grunt with a broken bone to an ACP.Many thanks for the suggestions,NOLS looks pretty useful.
I need some advice to know if what I am planning is retarded or not. I got an EDC backpack from US Peacekeepers as a get home/ gun bag for my pistol but the straps started to break after a few months. This is apparently an issue with this brand. Looking for a replacement that will also accommodate CC an AR pistol and found the 5.11 Rush 100.Is keeping an AR pistol in a bag a dumb idea? I intend to keep it in my car as a bug out bag I can convert to platform to go innawoods if necessary. Should I just have a dedicated camping bag for that purpose? My main need is more urban survival for where I live with a small expectation of a riot effecting me.
>>50003819>Is keeping an AR pistol in a bag a dumb idea?This first part could be fine>I intend to keep it in my car as a bug out bagAs long as you don't do this part. If you're going to have a gun you have to keep it with you. What good does a gun in your car do for you? Theres a million scenarios where you'd be prevented from getting to it, a million more where someone just steals it, and only a couple where you're both able to get to your car and also are prevented from leaving you need to shoot your way out. Not only that consider what the law might think if you flee a situation, go to your car, and then come back with a gun.
>>50004590>If you're going to have a gun you have to keep it with you.Just because you have a gun in your car doesn't mean you don't have one with you too. Most people own more than one gun.
>>50004623I dont mean always have a gun on you, which is also good advice, I mean do not leave a gun unattended. Also bad shit happens quickly and a remote but superior firearm is rarely better than what can be used immediately.
Let's say theres a riot. Please walk me through what good a long gun in your car does. A long gun on you in a bag or something I get that.
>>50004784Except when it isn't. There are only two arguments for not having a long gun in your vehicle: you can't afford it (your carry gun takes precedence) or you're concerned it may get stolen. If 1 isn't a problem and you can mitigate 2, then have one. Yes it would be better to have a long gun on your person, but that's not always practical. It's better to have it in your car than to not have it at all.This is sort of like the argument that you must carry a full-sized handgun and two extra mags in a holster you can draw from in less than half a second. Sure, that's ideal. But if for whatever reason you can't do that, then it's clearly better to have a subcompact pistol in deep concealment that will take a few seconds to draw than it is to have nothing at all.
>>50004805Pepper srap in a drop leg holster like Dog the Bounty Hunter or you will surely die!
>>50003819Back to your real question. First thing is buy backpacks from backpack companies, not tacticool mallninja companies. 5.11 is on the better end of Chinesium, but it's still cheaply made, heavy, screams "I'm full of guns please steal me". For urban survival, get a quality daypack that looks like a normal urban backpack. Avoid anything tactical or overly outdoorsy. Either one will make you stand out, and the most critical thing in urban survival is to not draw attention to yourself.If you're going to carry an AR pistol, put a LAW folder on it so it will fit in a normal length backpack. Having an abnormally long pack in the city will immediately attract attention. It is better to blend in and move quickly than to dig in and fight. Even if you win, you'll end up as a political prisoner like Kyle.
>>50004590You make a good point. I own a pistol I intend to CC while away from my car. Realistically I am not in a position to be away from my from my car for enough time or distance for theft to be a problem for me right now. I hide the backpack in the passenger floorboard with something over it. At a glance it just looks like junk.>>50004805Say a spontaneous riot breaks out. I know that isn't realistic in today's age of bused in anarco commies, but here me out. Outside the car, you would know where you have a needed weapon. You could use your cc weapon to make it there and gain an advantage.Inside the car, you or a passenger can better fend off a crowd keeping you from getting home or to a more defensible position.>>50005085That sounds like a better plan. I wanted something that I could walk around casually with anyway. I think I got stuck trying to compromise between all my options.
>>49937883ditto on the Wrangler nylon/spandex cheap0s.I like the flush cargo pockets that stretch for big stuff but don't flop around near as much.now they seem to be going to cotton stretch.SO glad I stocked up on nylon.Cheap enough you can buy few diff sizes to wear over stuff in winter.mine lasting just fine in construction and security
>>50005981>now they seem to be going to cotton stretchGod damn it. I might have to buy a few more pairs then.
>>49979316Which Slingfin tent is this?
Has anyone used an RD-54 before?They look nice and I like how compact they seem to be.Would be perfect to strap a sleeping pad under.
>>49931660>>49931660I’m going to North Carolina in a week with some friends I don’t know what area it is but it’s supposedly super beautiful and the best in the state but very deep woods what are some good things to bring that aren’t necessities and will make my camping experience comfy and memorable?Also any wildlife to be concerned about in that region, I’m bringing my mossberg shockwave
>>50009220Pass The Pigs, whisky.
>>50007986My tent is a crossbow 4 seasons, I really like it.
>>50009220>aren’t necessities and will make my camping experience comfy and memorableA decent pair of binoculars or a monocular if you like looking at wildlife, maybe a lightweight folding table and chair if you're going to be moving a lot without a fixed campsite. More food/better quality food. Other than that, comfort is mainly just stuff like footwear that is comfortable for you, a well packed backpack, a good sleeping pad.
>>50009220This guy knows whats up, a packable chair and some sort of binoculars or the like would really help, idk about the table so much. If you're backpacking you can take a frozen steak with you the first day, it will thaw by dinner time and be perfectly fine. If you're car camping take a cooler and go nuts for food, take that table too. There are really no real concerns around there besides rodents in getting into food.Mice for example will chew through tents for food in your tent.
>>50009365Whoops I also meant to click on this post:>>50009279
>>50009119No, but it looks good. What's the capacity on those?
>>50009119They're short and sit pretty high. Good for using with a battle belt. The one in the picture is SSO's version. Without a battle belt you just have a pack that puts all the weight on your shoulders.
>>49931660anybody in here a hotshot or work a handcrew?
>>49937932Too bad everything but the frame design is dogshit.
>>50010440They wouldn't be my choice either, but can you explain why the design is that bad?
>>50010440Please tell me why Stone Glacier backpacks arent good, maybe that would help explain how popular they are and how everyone speaks very highly of them.
>>49931660For years I have been in the market for a solid comfortable ruck. I have been using a 5.11 72 hour pack and it has kind of suited my needs. I will drive my truck to a point set up camp. Mark it on my GPS and take off. But I want a pack where I can take camp with me. Been looking at a ALPS OutdoorZ Extreme Commander X + Pack or a Outdoorsmans Long Range Pack System
>>50012080Short answer: strongly consider a surplus granite gear chiefLong answer: The best combination of lighter pack weight and a decent weight capacity is an internal frame. While an external frame does have some minor advantages such as a potentially higher weight capacity, better back ventilation, and better ability to lash large and awkward loads to it, it mostly outclassed for backpacking. An external frame will be multiple pounds heavier than an internal, the higher weight capacity will only matter when routinely carrying loads of over 100 pounds, and modern internal frames just tend to be more comfortable. An external frame has become a more specialized tool, only excelling at hauling animal carcasses or very heavy and awkward loads like lumbar short distances.Now let's address your pack choices. You're definately in the right price range for an excellent pack but if you're going I spend that kind of money you should probably buy from a backpacking company with a proven record. Three hundred dollars is granite gear, mystery ranch, and osprey territory. Are there specific features that you need that these manufacturers do not provide or are you just looking for a general multi-day pack?
>>50009655Thanks for the input, thats how I I was thinking to use it/ for short distances I really like packs that sit high.
>>50012531As a small day back it's probably fine, I like sso's stuff
>>50005035Holy shit. That's a name I've not heard of in like 10-15yrs as I don't follow that guy. When was that photo taken? I can't remember but didn't his wife pass from some diesease or something? I can't remember but if she did then RIP to Beth.
>>50005085I like the look of that backpack. How makes it? Also what is the model and year of that backpack? I love the look andI don't like all these new fahsionable backpacks that are slopes and such. When you put them down and try to stand them up they fall over versus a rectangular backpack. Also deep side pockets is something I look for now a days that can swallow a 1L wide mouth nalgene w/nesting folding handle cup and possible bottle grilltop stove. If it can swallow a 1L widemouth nalgene then that means it can handle a 40oz Hydroflask (same diameter) for those hot hot days and you need extra H2O). Also a thing that really bugs me is many packs don't have a waist strap to transfer the load. I prefer a waist strap without the side kidney pads and just a 1-2" wide strap because for those of use that run with layer 1 beltline kit those types of waist straps allow you to slide the strap under your belt kit easily. Also does not interfere with sidearm drawing/mag reloading.That's why I look towards older years bags for some companies as they had such waist straps but the current generation has gone all kidneypad waist straps.
>>49979326It can be done. I've actually really liked using the FILBE shoulder straps/yoke attached to a standard ALICE frame, it can be mounted up pretty easily without mods and if you add some buckles to the top of the frame where normal ALICE straps would attach, you get load-lifter points. It hikes the whole frame and pack up a bit higher where it rides much better.
>>50015285Fjallraven. Current production but no idea what model. I just grabbed a picture of a "normal looking" backpack. They're expensive but very well made. They also make some very nice hiking packs but they're fairly uncommon in the US.
>>50015285You may like the osprey tropos then, it stands up on its own too and has a tiny hipbelt with no kidney padding
>>50015387>fairly uncommon in the USThats news to me, I better go tell the staff at their store in town that they are rare.
What’s the most durable daypack? I work outdoors and walk a lot and need something to carry my shit
>>50015430It's been a few years, but last time I was in a Fjallraven store they only had their clothes and fashion backpacks. I had to special order my hiking pack and the staff didn't even know they company made them.
>>50015438For durability you go with a military pack. It won't be the lightest but in sheer strength they are hard to beat.
>>50015438Military surplus got your back. Shit like Alice, french F1 or F2, old Dutch combat backpack...Ergonomy ranges from shitty to minimum comfiness, but you can bet your shit that they do the job.
>>50015552Weight is no issue. I would like to find a non-tactical looking pack though.
>>50015639Non-tactical, as without Molle or black color or camo? Kinda reduces your options. Two comes to mind:https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/finnish-m05-rucksack-small/26017andhttps://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/french-f2-combat-pack-surplus/15140
>>50015459I've never been into their store despite owning clothing from them but that story sounds very real to me based on who uses their shit in the United States.
>>50015764Without molle or camo preferably
My ultimate day bag setup.Maxpedition falcon 2 black with barnacle and skinny organizer, cheap slim bottle holder on the other side. Don’t buy the maxpedition bottle holders they’re too big and bulky and heavy and look dumb.I use this cheap one “sporting goods” brand and it’s excellent. Also use a dual carabiner for more support because I use a 1200 mL steel bottle with is heavy.Also put high Vis paracord for my zippers because it’s more sheeple friendly and looks cool, also easier to see so it’s easier to locate the ripper and open. My knot is the false Turks head or half Turks head whatever it’s called. Also removed the sternum and waist straps and the y strap on the back for less tactical look, also tied up the bottom straps for a more trim look.Ultimate day bag imo. 25L bag. I’ll show off my setup more below.Copy my bag for the best day bag in my opinion hands down.
I use the skinny for my toiletry bag which I have quick detach so I can keep it in the bathroom or my bag whenever I want. The barnacle is also quite nice, perfectly fits above the skinny. It fits my o light mini warrior or my leatherman p4 perfectly but I use it for my keys, car keys and a lighter but it fits a full size multitool!I also have two of the same bottle carriers so if I go say on a day hike I can ditch the skinny and barnacle for dual bottles. Love my setup. Should be about $300 or so for everything give or take.
Falcon 2 with barnacle and skinny
“Sporting goods” bottle holder with 1200mL/40oz klean kanteen and omuluk aluminum carabiner for support. All on amazog
Blade tech molle clips
I also really like this product
>>50017579link me the url to your water bottle pouch plz and thanks.
>>50019084I’m not going to link you because I’m using Canadian amazon but search “molle bottle holder” and you should find multiple identical products sold by different companies. Mine have a “sporting goods” logo on them but I just looked and I don’t think they’re sold anymore. There are 3 or 4 identical ones sold by different companies that are the exact same. Should be easy to find bro.
https://www.amazon.ca/MILITARY-UNIFORMS-Drawstring-Attachment-Camouflage/dp/B071NJ7GWG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=30S7TIWCVSMVJ&dchild=1&keywords=molle+bottle+holder&qid=1626919666&sprefix=molle+bottle%2Caps%2C446&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExSkFXSE5HMDNUOUVRJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNjYxMDE0MjdHMEIyNUZCV0hBRSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMDIwNjk1MlVRUU9KOVRaN1hZRiZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=Actually I think this is the one
>>50019084Actually look at the onetigris one it’s better quality material
>>50019193Varusteleka has a Danish one pretty cheap
>>49960412>Explain. What are you wrapping over your socks?One way to get longer life from your wool hiking socks is to wrap a sheet of linen over your socked foot. It protects the sock from boot wear, giving it a longer life before you wear holes in it. It is popular with Russians.
>>49931660I ordered one of these Russian packs off eBay for my smersh rig with the intent on hiking with it, other than a mag storage, dump pouch and IFAK what else should I add to the rig? I couldn’t find any other molle LBVs at the time and the rig shipped from America so at least I didn’t have to wait a month for it to arrive
>>50022057Or buy Darntuff, guaranteed for life.
What are some good yurop brands? Need a 65-ish liter framed pack and burger stuff usually ends up too expensive here.
>>50022160Berghaus, Lowe Alpine. Some Scandinavian brands like Norröna, Haglöfs, Savotta. For milsurp the British, Dutch and Germans have some pretty good models. On the economy end you find Mil-Tec and Brandit; good German design (often copied 100% from military models) mated with manufacture in China under German supervision.
>>50022210>Berghaus, My first thought.>Brandit; good German design (often copied 100% from military models) mated with manufacture in China under German supervision.This is new to me.
>>50022225https://brandit-wear.com/company/manufacture/My experience is with Mil-Tec; you literally can't set foot in a 'milsurp' shop in Europe without wading in their products. But they have had something like 70 years to get where they are. Brandit is far newer but seem to be following their current recipe, and I swear any 'backpack' search on Google turns up more of their products than anyone else. So presumably they are huge with the online stores.
Anyone here have experience with Eberlestock? I'm a member of a local search and rescue org and I need an expandable pack. I'm looking at the J51 Warhammer, it's 30l size is fine for the 12-hr gear list we have, and I like the idea of having the external frame in case we need to carry heavier gear into some random brush when searching. I also like how I could insert the little brother pack on the frame with the rest of my gear for our 72-hr pack list.Am I hoping too much or does this seem reasonable? My only real backpack experience so far is a dutch assault pack clone I got of Varu for fun more than anything.
>>50022304Interesting. I signed up for, and currently getting hammered by (it's not too bad...), newsletters from https://www.asmc.com My original interest was thier flectarn mil surp selection, which is pretty good. But, shipping to the only-country-to-walk-upon-the-moon land is prohibitively expensive.
>>50022657I hear you. Being a Yuro wanting to buy anything from USA is equally bad. Most of my online buys are from Chinese stores now. But then, most US stores seem to be selling the same Chinese goods so maybe it doesn't matter.
>>50022709Herr Wang has nearly perfected the largerst one-way finished goods supply chain in the history of The World! I'm getting first artical, machined prototypes delivered under a week. >email x.dxf>rcv quote next day/approve same day>bzzzzz>bzzzzz>ships 2nd day air>fug!I can't get first articals faster local.
>>49931660How's the metcalf? I'm eyeing it quite hard.
are exo mtn packs as good as garand thumb makes em look?
>>50019193>>50019084Just link me. I'm a beaver as well.
>>50019084>>50019193>>50019216>>50025224>>50025224Fuck I'm blind. I see you linked me. Thank you kindly. I'm considering getting the same bottle holder you have for my Tasmanian Tiger 32L (I think 32L) backpack. My pack is the largest of the packs as of a couple yeras ago with the suspended mesh vented backing which is a god send in the fucking summer hot humid/hazy days. Also looking for another bottle holder for my SOG Ninja as more of an EDC bag.>>50019257Which model? Can you link me please and thank you.
>>50022953There was an anon a couple threads back that had and really liked it. I can't see anything wrong with it if you're willing to pay for it. The overload feature is neat too.
>>50026642Man I can't decide, those gucci $500-700 external frame packs from mystery ranch, stone glacier, exo, kifaru etc seem very similar.
>>50022429That doesn't seem like an ideal pack for SAR. It's both too big and too small, overcomplicated, and the expandable section is a restrictive shape. What you need is a reasonably durable and reasonably light 50-70 liter internal frame pack that compresses down well. Any especially large or awkward gear like litters and wheels should already have an attached pack frame and you'll need to be able to lash your pack to it. That will be awkward if your own pack is external frame. Ropes and other smaller gear usually carry better inside your pack than strapped to it. A 30l pack is useless. For a short rescue, plan to carry your day gear plus a rope or two, some hardware, or med gear, and possibly the victim's gear on the way back. 50-70L is a good day pack size for technical rescues and evacs. Searches require less gear, but winter multi-day missions can easily require a 100+ liter pack. Having a good fitting pack is critical. Don't buy one unless you can try it on and make sure it fits. If you don't have experience with backpacking, go to a good shop where someone can help you get fitted.
>>49937378I like my SG a lot .. picked over the mystery ranch ones since they make them all here instead of just the military line
>>50026792I'd probably pick the mystery ranch just because that's the one I know the most about. That said, the ideal situation would be to try to find a place to try them on in person.
>>50027345I can't try any of them unfortunately so I'm choosing carefully.
Yes it's kinda larpy but I figure I have all this shit I might as well use it. As a single "combat" loadout it does well for Cascadian hiking
>>49947990what sin the yellow boxes stacked nexxt to your sleeping bag? are those pills?
anyone got one of the cheap LAPG packs?
>ruck in on long hike to RP>do ambush then think you can just ruck out.You guys still thinking like WW2 ops.
>>49992322ATF death squads skimming the pack thread to find out which pocket I keep my trail mix in
>>50003292>It assumes the availability of the entire military medevac system with advanced trauma care in the fieldI've noticed that same issue. There is a limit to how useful adapting military training to civilian life can be.I'd think that stuff like "Where There Is No Doctor" would be more useful to address this discrepancy, where there may be damn near no medical support or infrastructure, and everyone else around you is not much more useful than holding pressure or bringing you some clean water.
>>50032254Let's face it. A lot of people would die. Not just from near fatal wounds but even from small stuff that would fester and pain that can't be dealt with hospital style.
>>50030602>do ambush then think you can just ruck out.Why not?
>>50032301Reminds me of every hurricane where disaster management completely shits the bed. People literally die from diarrhea because they don't have clean water or that they had no idea they could sterilize water with bleach. Preparedness is not a valued mindset to have among the public, relegated to preppers and non-city slicker types, one that proves fatal when it's most needed.
>>50031695>ATF goons bust through door>pour in with oper8r squad tactics>panting heavily because they're all fat>hear heavy thuds and pained screams on floor because you poured vegetable oil slicks all over the cheap vinyl flooring of your house>the sound of permanent medical retirement is music to your ears as their ACL tears>but there is no time to waste>where is your dog
>>50032345>sterilize water with bleachDollar store x10. Done. There is a shelf life, so you shout look for bleach crystals, just add water.
>>50032345As far as backpacking water cleaning goes, I rely on a toothbrush tube. I keep water cleansing pills there, a tiny bottle of bleach and a drop counter, and iirc correctly a few water purity testing sticks. The tube itself can be filled with sand and charcoal and be used as a filter, and I also have an actual filter. I don't carry any of this on hiking as the innawoods water here is extremely clean, but it's good stuff for the shtf pack.
>>50032455>water purity testing sticksThis I have to see.
>>50032467I think it's these? Ph test sticks give you an idea of the state of the water.
>>50032479Thx. As I suspected, ph is not purity. I know of no "test stick" that samples giardia.
>>50032254"Where There Is No Doctor" is the best laypersons guide to third world medicine I've found. It's written at about the fourth grade level, so reading it is somewhat painful. The original topic was more about first aid though, hence those recommendations.
>>50032455I'll stick with my Geopress lmao
UK bros, is marauder tactical systems legit or is it chinesium? I want a short back Bergen
>>50032950i want a girl with a short skirt and a long... jacket
>>50033206Based looong jacket fetishist.
>>50032628>The original topic was more about first aid though, hence those recommendations.First aid is one of those skillsets that have no clear cap on skillsets and requires constant training, which makes it a skill that most people don't want to pursue due to the investment required.I would worry equally as well for the people good at it. Everyone will depend on them for things they may not be able to address. Many such cases if you're around too many normies and you have a variety of uncommon skills in a bad situation. All the work, none of the appreciation, authority, and worse yet, none of the compensation.
>>50032254>Where There Is No DoctorYeah, this is the best I've found as well. Generally stuff for third world countries that don't assume any existing infrastructure is the best.
>>49931660i put together a pretty good system when i was working at a sportsman's warehouse and had a juicy employee discount. got a Teton Scout 3400, Wenzel lone tree tent and a Teton trailhead mummy sleeping bag for under $100.everything carries well together and the pack is comfortable and well thought out. it's now made it though 2 season on the fire lines out west, a season on a remote fuel crew on the Dixie NF in Utah, near constant use in the badlands, devil's tower and around the Black Hills NF during the 2019 field season and currently is doing just fine in the UP of Michigan and on the Wayne NF. it's also nice and inconspicuous which is great because i mostly only ever stuff it full of guns and ammo.
Looking through milsurp for my first pack, any recommendations?(1/2)
>>50037542(2/2)I live in south-eastern Virginia, so I was leaning towards the packs with forest camo
>>50037542>>50037552Prices make me think scam site. The Dutch pack for $100 might be decent though since it looks fairly modern.
>>50037961https://colemans.com/shop/product-category/pouches-bags/Ok, thanks! The Dutch was definitely in my upper-tier of choices, along with the British rucksack.What sites would you recommend for milsurp?https://colemans.com/dutch-military-long-range-backpack
>>50022071>Russian packs off eBayUnder what name? I want one. Maybe.
>>50038607It looks like an sso buttpack
>>50022071A holster if you ever want to have a pistol with it
>>50038626UM84 or UM92 ftw
>>50037542Dutch, German and British surplus is generally very good. The only one of these I actually own is the flecktarn 'reproduction' which is probably a Mil-Tec; it (and the geniune german assault packs it copies) needs a stiffener like a foldable (German) sleeping pad or at least a bit of foam board to act as a frame but it otherwise good value for the money. And it is light.
>>50041155This is the reason for the odd frame solution for German 65L assault packs. The foldable, standard BW sleeping pad. Larger BW packs like the Berghaus have different frame solutions.
Looks like Varusteleka is stocking SADF 83. They have the backpack, battle jacket and the chestrig. Not my thing, but enjoy.
>>50041412Yeah I saw that... I think they're kinda neat, but not what people charge for them worth of neat
>>50041155>>50041189Thank you, those three and the Nato were my top tier choices.The idea of the foldable sleeping pad is nice, doesn't look like it takes up much room. Where do you get your stuff from?Also, what carrying frame would you recommend?
>>50041473I end to favor local stores as I like to touch and handle things before I buy them. Trouble is the nearest milsurp store is several hundred miles away. Being a Yuro I shop at Ebay, Varusteleka, and Wish. My newest pack is a Mil-Tec Ranger 75L but I also have two of their 65L assault packs. Nothing has broken so far and I am happy with my purchases. I also have a bunch of older civilian na dmilitary packs in the same weight range so I do have something to compare with.I'd look closer at those packs named 'Nato' before deciding. A lot of civilian packs have been made to nato designs, especially the german ones. Doesn't make them bad, it just means they aren't surplus.My heavier packs need two frame specs. One, they must be size adjustable or come in multiple sizes. I don't get to adjust the length of my back. Second, they need to be light weight, so aluminium bars are usually the best. That's what my 75L Ranger has. If I should need to carry a LOT of volume I have an old Bergans pack with a large cargo frame I can use, but that need doesn't show up every year. I also have a 90L Lill-Sport pack I was given.If I should need a 100-120 liter pack, which is way beyond my needs and I suspect beyond my carrying ability, I'd be buying a Berghaus milsurp pack or a new Norröna Recon. The latter is in the 5-600 usd category so not a casual purchase.