>>49604889I wouldn’t worry about it
thats cool, now lets see if it can take a missile and keep going
Chinks solved their engine problem? Also chink Battlehawk clones
>>49604889Our aerspace industry has been giving designs to the Chinese for decades now
>>49604910>>49604908The US gave China Blackhawks back in the 1980s so it was only a matter of time when they reverse engineered them.
>>49604908Their engine issues are jet related
great artists steal
>>49604928>they reverse engineered themthat's not what happened.
>>49604928There is a lot of metallurgy secret sauce that's extremely hard to reverse engineer without fundamental understanding.
>>49604908>Chinks solved their engine problem?No we are still going to pretend they didnt for the next 3 years. Read the fucking manual.
>>49604935aside from length name one thing this rifle does better than any contemporary mauser
>>49604928>u c Chyna cant copy our copies because muh reverse engineering is impossiburu you need to understand the sciunce no of course I cant explain the scieuce Chyna will nev-->they just copied and skipped the whole muh r/&d!!!!Damn the cope
>>49604900>YOU BETTER BELIEVE, ROUND EYE
>>49604928Bruh Honeywell was recently caught giving the F22 blueprints to the Chinese and they only had to pay a 200k fine. Thats giving not sellling the prints
How come there’s 2 billion Chinese and they can’t invent an original design?
>>49604935>paying for a license to use a patented mechanism>stealingno
>>49605045Probably because the F-22 is outdated 80's tech. I rub shoulders with a lot of dudes in the areospace industry, and they say what's coming down the pipes blows just about anything out there right now out of the water.
>>49605081>Doesnt pay the license fee for a decade
>>49605093The F22 is the best in the world in its class right now. Unless they're developing crazy UFO tech I don't see new craft blowing it out of the water
>>49605093Assuming they are not talking but I would think materials that only show up on La-dar
>>49604889Damn that looks like a ripoff, the USA better issue a DMCA against them.
>>49604889>chink ripoff of old techoh noooooo they stole last year's homework whatever shall we do?
>>49605119>dont worry about it
>>49604947Why reverse engineer when United States domestic traitors will just give you plans ? Mazel Tov !
>>49605081after Mauser sued them and the US lost the lawsuit. they stole it but got caught
>>49605077Because they are not allowed to think outside the box, imagination is outlawed under communism, its counter-revolutionary extremism. The party tells you everything you need to know. A politician tells you how science works, and what the result of any experiment will be (sound familiar ?). Had chink grad students in Physics dept. Could solve "book problems' involving complex integrals with funky substitutions pretty much from memory. Had no idea what the math meant, and totally clueless how to solve non-book problems.
>>49605119>Unless they're developing crazy UFO techI wouldn't worry about it
>>496051196th gen will most likely be drones with ultramanuverability since there's no need worry about the meatbag inside. Also lasers
>>49605077>How come there’s 2 billion Chinese and they can’t invent an original design?Let's assume you're some Chinese wunderkind with all kinds of low-cost, efficient, and superior weapon designs bouncing around in your head. So you get assigned to some design bureau and start trying to make prototypes.>Problem #1Quality of design materials sucks because it's made of chinesium. Need hardened steel for your new APC design? Good luck, especially if the superior above you is using the bureau as his own personal slush fund for blow and hookers. You'll get substandard materials and every prototype will have the durability of paper, despite being a decent design. Due to this you're trying to solve problems that wouldn't exist if you had proper materials to work with and every exhibition will fail to impress your superiors, thus getting YOU in trouble, since your superior will be trying to save his own ass first and foremost. This is one of the primary reasons Chinese military copies so much, if the design is a failure, it's not the bureau's fault, the design (US or foreign) just isn't very good :)>Problem #2Let's assume you get lucky and your materials don't suck. You have to impress military officials who have never been in a combat zone, or if they have, it certainly wasn't on the front lines with new equipment. They have no frame of reference for what they want outside of what they've seen from other military units (this includes helmet cam, videos, and product commercials). This is why projects like the recoil-less rifle trucks get greenlit, they look impressive on the ground and make big explosions.>"Look at that mountain General Chang! We just destroyed every tree on the side facing us! How impressive!">"Yes! Surely the enemy will never get out of line of sight, seek cover/concealment, or hit these with artillery, aircraft, or other ordinance!"(1/2)
>>49605366>>49605077This is why China favors underpowered grenades in their launchers, they were impressed by the sheer volume of fire but have never done genuine ballistics tests on their arms. And if they did, they just assume the volume of fire will be enough to pin the enemy down.>Problem #3Assuming you got past the first two hurdles and made a good weapon. You now have a target on your back by every other general or bureau that doesn't like the guy above you, or YOU for showing them up and getting a bigger budget. Cue your superior getting brought up on charges of corruption, arrested, and or gulaged and your whole bureau being shut down out of spite. Your original project may be shut down and you may be forced to work on something completely out of your wheelhouse. Your project just may be shut down because it's too costly or not within the doctrine of the PLA, despite being excellent as a weapons system. >Problem #4Let's say that you perservere though, and get a viable product complete from start to finish and ready for mass production. You run back into problem #1 as the industrial bureau charged with mass producing your design will scimp on materials, so even if the prototype was solid, a good portion of the units being produced will be shit because corruption. There was a report about up-armored humvee clones that might as well have just been civilian trucks because their armor was virtually nonexistent. There were over 5,000 of these trucks produced. Naturally, the PLA discovered the guy in charge was pocketing the cash meant for the armor. This is why China copies most of their military designs. It's just not worth the headache and hassle of trying to innovate in such a dysfunctional state. Why risk your reputation and life at risk to try new things, when merely copying and blaming foreign designs will work just as good and leave you with no face lost?(2/2)
>>49605045>>49605093>F-22 blueprintsyou're both fucking retards
>>49605243>imagination is outlawed under communism, its counter-revolutionary extremismkekdumb>The party tells you everything you need to know. A politician tells you how science worksare we talking about China or the US?
>>49605366>>49605389this is got to be the stupidest tl'dr post I've ever seen.
>>49604931Those are jet engines on that plane, anon.
>>49605045>Honeywell recently made one of the usual false testimonies in another backdoor deal with the U.S. regime dropping unrelated dirt on the company/get benefitsOh well thank god! Now I dont have to admit I was wrong!
>>49605081>China pays licence fee>WHY CHYNA BAD>China wants to pay licence fee but mutts intervene and threaten country not to sell lincence>China helps itself out>WHY CHYNA BAD>Amerimutts ripp of old tech thats like wunderwaffe to them and dont actually pay its licence fees>ITS NOT STEALING WE ENDED UP PAYING THEM WHEN THEY SUED THE FUCK OUT OF USWhy do Amerimutts do this?
>>49605366>>49605389>things that never happend and my personal cope using far too many words for absolutely zero substance im just writing to make another larp pasta to spam as some kind of valid point/argument
>>49605366>>49605389I hate the chinks and even I won't read this shit. Dial it down a few notches and just go back to shitposting.>>49605390the amount of times you've samefagged "based" in this thread... If only your thread wasn't hot garbage you would not need to do so.
>>49605366>>49605389Sounds about right
>>49605366>>49605389Good post, if anyone has dealt with any bureaucracy and China in generalthis resonates well. PLA isn't this harmonious and functional monolith like they like to portray.
>>49604956Smoother action. If you've ever owned a bunch of Mausers including pre-wars, really lovely South American exports, etc the Springfield 1903 action is going to be smoother than the vast majority of them. Sights are better depending on the model of 03. I've only handled a couple Mausers ever that are close to smoothness of the 1903.
>>49605404>not knowing blueprint as an ambiguous termHow many people hate you for being this nit picky?
>>49605531>things that never happenedhttps://thediplomat.com/2017/12/the-mysterious-death-of-a-chinese-general/>General Zhang Yang, the former Political Work Department director of the Central Military Commission (CMC), hanged himself at home on November 25, according to a state media announcement in late November.>In late August, Zhang and former Chief of Joint Staff Fang Fenghui suddenly vanished from public view, and their names were not included in the list of military delegates to the 19th Party Congress. Chinese and Western media outlets later reported that both generals were being investigated for wrongdoing.>The commentary added that Zhang’s case further emphasized the need to “comprehensively purge the pernicious influence of Guo Boxiong and Xu Caihou” from the systemhttps://zeenews.india.com/world/corruption-in-chinas-army-substandard-dongfeng-military-vehicle-led-to-death-of-its-soldiers-at-galwan-valley-2301960.html>A person named Zhou Liying posted the real reason on social media for the loss of the Chinese Army at Galwan Valley and as soon as he made these posts, the police accused him of spreading rumours and arrested him later.>In his social media post, he wrote that the military vehicles supplied by a company named Dongfeng to the Chinese Army were of poor quality and due to this corruption of the companyhttps://thediplomat.com/2020/05/the-invisible-threat-to-chinas-navy-corruption/>Yet Hu did not preside over the historic event. In August 2019, he suddenly retired from his post as CSIC chairman and disappeared from public view until May 12, 2020, when China’s anti-corruption watchdog, the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection (CCDI), announced his arrest for “serious violation of discipline and law.” Hu thus became the most high-profile corruption suspect from China’s defense sector in recent years.
>>49604910don't forget, our greatest ally also perpetually stabs us in the back
>>49605233jewish supremacism is a national security threat
>>49606865Israel only gives a fuck about the US because they need a powerful ally to survive, with the US falling apart the China on the rise it makes sense they are sucking up to the next global power just like they left the UK for the US.
>>49606957but I saw Bibi kvetching about China sharing intelligence with Iran.
>>49605323Lasers are for sure going to be the next big thing. Faster and more accurate than an AMRAAM, all they have to do is poke a small hole in the plane, and the areodynamic forces will make it tear itself apart.
>>49606957This is some truly low brow shit. MUH CHINA ON DAH RISE, dude, China spent the last 20 years rising because the West was co-operating with it and handing out sweet deals. Literally anyone (non-African) could rise in those conditions. Only over the past 18 months has the equation started to change - shit even Biden just signed an anti-China EO and the Senate just put together a black-list of Chinese companies (sent to house). I could go on about the near crippling structural issues that the Chinese economy (bubbles, bubbles everywhere... and also debt, debt everywhere) and their society at large (demographic bomb that is going to make Japan look like they are in the midst of a baby-boom). get back to me on this rise in 10 years of China operating in an adversarial space while trying to transition from a primary to secondary economy. As for Isreal, they are jews, it has nothing to do with any sort of long-con just them being greedy idiots.
>>49607030All of the political warfare attacks on the chinks by the jewsa have been toothless from the Biden regime. We could ruin China with protectionist trade policy alone. One of the democrats was caught fucking a Chinese spy and he hasn't been flushed out of Congress, that is how cucked our country is.
>>49607030Israel is on its own side.
>>49607030Then why hasn't India or Eastern Europe risen like China did
>>49607030The only way the west can have a real effect on the Chinese economy and put pressure on them is to ban western companies from outsourcing to china. There is no way this is going to happen because all western governments are corrupt as fuck and do what those same companies tell them to.I wish we had the political will for protectionist policy but that hurts the bottom line of those that own the politicians.
>>49607056Its not a crime to be spied on and delisting companies and preventing Americans from buying their shares (and thus cutting these companies out from their capital pool) is hardly toothless. Its round one, you cant just undo 60 years of policy in 4 years.
>>49607072>Then why hasn't India or Eastern Europe risen like China didIndia picked the wrong side in the cold war, Eastern Europe does not have the Chinese labor pool and has a vague understanding of workers rights.
>>49607086You literally can by caring about your own people and your own industry. We can't even make medicine without the chinks, lol. The neo-liberal world order has made us almost completely dependent upon an openly hostile foreign power. Globalism is a disaster that allowed unelectied cancer to control economic and trade flows, ruining our sovereignty.
>>49607131Yes. However, as I said, you cant undo 60 years of policy in 4 years. The world isnt a fucking computer game, shit takes time.
>>49607139nonsense, the biden regime will continue to kick the can down the road and nothing meaningful will happen with the chinks as long as he and the communist democrat party are in power
Tracking Chinese state-level corruption is super hard because you only hear it about it when there's either a really big name like a general or a high ranking Party member getting into the state media -- or if it's a group of municipal level nobodies they trot out every now and then. A big problem is that corruption is basically legalized in China. Party family members starting dynasties sitting on the leadership of state corporations working with the state bank to skim off money for example.I think those anti-corruption campaigns are legit and not just internal political struggles. The upper Party leadership probably DOES at least wants China to be a real country with a government that's trusted by its population. But the real power of China, the oligarchs, still run the show.
>>49607157He literally just re-instated a Trump EO on China and the Senate literally just took the first step to passing a law that will ban thousands of companies from being traded in the US. Are you a demoralization shill or just one of the retarded victims of such a shill?
>>49607139>implying Dems or Reps would ever end neo-liberalismThere is only one non-neoliberal US politician that came close to getting a nomination and it was stolen from him by Hillary Clinton because the powers that be can't have anything other than neo-liberals.
>>49607171You don't get it. Feinstein's driver for 20 YEARS was a Chinese spy. There is a close alignment with the communist democrat party and China. They like the Chinese system of government. They like a disarmed and cucked populace. They are running their own version of the Chinese cultural revolution. The democrats, with respect to China, are controlled opposition if every sense of the term.
what's with the cope in this thread?It's just an engine. So what's if they have it?
>>49607223Read the tread, no one is talking about a high bypass engine here. As you say it isn't a big deal at all.
Neo-liberalism is the ruling system of most of the world, certainly the developed world. It's a system that evolved organically from the rise of the modern plutocrat. The US and all Western nations are run by the plutocracy. The thing about plutocrats is that they're not into war. There's a lot of different plutocrats with many intersecting interests; if one group of plutocrats is for a war, the larger group who's interests will be harmed by war will ensure the war doesn't happen.In the eternal struggle between plutocrats and oligarchs the oligarchs are way at the bottom in the current world. Industrial revolution and mass international trade basically paved the way for the ultimate victory of the plutocrats. Oligarchs grow by acquisition but plutocrats grow by trade and money markets.
>>49604889Yeah no shit. Their chips are in everything, all servers farms are in chinkna.
>>49607248>The thing about plutocrats is that they're not into warThey don't want their assets being destroyed by war, that is very different to being anti-war as shown by the near endless wars the west has been in since the end of ww2.
>>49607248>The thing about plutocrats is that they're not into war.lol, sure they are, when it helps the advance the cause of jewish supremacism or gives them access to natural resources like oil or allows them to steal gold.
>>49607267The World Wars themselves were oligarchs taking a last shot at getting an empire. The plutocracies of the US, Great Britain, France, etc, destroyed them. All of the wars afterwards have been stamping down on small nations getting uppity towards the neoliberal order -- since these nations were small and didn't impact the majority interests of the plutocracy negatively we can have those wars.Communism, at least for several decades, was an abnormality -- neither a plutocracy or an oligarchy and largely disconnected from the neoliberal world order. The plutocrats were troubled by it for a time but towards the end of the Cold War when the leaders in Communist countries were trying to cash out and become oligarchs -- it was clear neoliberalism would be victorious.Russia is the last oligarch hold-out, but they're surrounded by the world plutocracy and without options. China is also an oligarchy, but their oligarchs have deeply integrated themselves in with the world plutocracy and neoliberalism. Perhaps they're waiting for a chance to grab an empire, but as long as the world plutocracy is in charge they can't do anything.
>>49607185So true! Bernard would KILL neoliberalism by giving more money to niggers :DDDD or something
>>49607271Jews are heavily represented in world plutocracy which is why they seem to have out-sized power and influence. They also have a number of major (Russian) oligarchs too. There's a meme that Russia is basically run by Jewish crooks (the oligarchs) and there is some truth to that. But, don't let pol gaslight you on this topic; what defines the world and the development of history boils down to plutocrats (merchants, bankers, etc) vs oligarchs (kings, strongmen, owners, etc).
>>49605045This is not at all what happened. The fine was low because Honeywell self-reported and the IP in question was not of vital importance.
>>49604889BASED chinks dabbing on anti-white fag enablers yet again.
>>49607350I get the feeling you are confusing neo-liberalism with capitalism, while it's a kind of capitalism it's far from the only option and the traditional liberalism with more socialism and nationalism in the mixed market economy help fuel to boom of the 50s and 60s before the hard shift to neo-liberalism of the 80s.
>>49607409Again, neoliberalism is a system that grew organically out of the rise of the world plutocracy. No one planned it out and implemented it. Nationalism, racial purity, cultural health, etc, are things that were impedements to the plutocrats from growing their internationalist system (free flowing of wealth and markets) so they got rid of them. Those are things which are beneficial to oligarchs because they need a militarized population who are motivated to fight for the benefit of their nation. A strong people with a strong culture. Plutocrats don't need that, they prefer slaves -- just like they did in Ancient Rome. Unlike in ancient times though, markets and wealth have been made completely international. Markets cover the whole world. Neoliberalism is way it has to be for that reason. The plutocracy is in almost complete control of the world.
>>49607481>neoliberalism is a system that grew organicallyIf by organically you mean developed by Thatcher as a way of bailing out oligarchs with tax dollars and altered by Reagan to allow the the oligarchs to transition to plutocrats with the aid of tax dollars.Also as we are talking economics I'm talking about economic nationalism, ie. when the nation owns profitable companies to sure up the coffers and save for a rainy day instead of having no option but to print so much money they risk hyperinflation (see current situation).
>>49605077They can, but why bother? Most planes are developed around existing doctrine. Also designing jets is more art than science. Coming from the 80s Chink tech was import. In the 90s they started doing domestic. Now they have a more mature industry. They're gonna have teething issues, but you'd be a fool to assume they can't make higher quality shit once the industry matures. The question is what will it be? They are focusing on engines because it's a big weak point, electrical offensive equipment/stealth will likely be their other big investment opportunities.
>>49604935Hey we fought a war over this and we won so we aint gotta pay ya hear?
>>49604889With the WS-20 in operation, there's absolutely nothing to prevent the H-20 stealth bomber anymore.
Why do the Chinese always want praise for doing what the rest of the world did decades ago? The only places where they have innovated are propaganda, espionage, surveillance, and recreational dog burning.
>>496108091) you're dumb2) you're dumb3) you're dumb4) yep, you guessed it, you're FUCKING DUMB
>>49610823It's possible. But at least I'm not Chinese. Can you imagine lol
>>49604889they look like a weird mix of ukrainian and western planes
>>49605093Nice way of saying they cum in your mouth>contractors deliver vague promisesSTOP THE PRESSES
>>49607030Zeihan, you will never have a China take that isn't stupid.
>>49610856>It's possibleno, it's a certainty.
>>49610823you gotta go back, Xhang
>>49611116make be, bitch>Xhangwtf? That's not even a name.
>>49611130whatever you say Ping Pong
>>49604889western bros...i dont feel so good
>>49611143>whatever you sayThat is typically how it goes in my life.
>>49608725I guess the shape is confirmed now? https://twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/status/1402959941716094977/photo/1
>>49611022They poached lots of the top engineers from Motor Sich before the Ukranian government stopped them from buying up the entire company. I hope the chinks can make an An-225 next
>>49611825why are ukrainians like this though?why do they let themselfs go so much?why they don't do anything against the coruption of their nation?
>>49604889So gooks have finally managed to steal PD-14 blueprints? Huh, took them a while.
>>49605045>>49604889Russia is giving the chinks engines now?
>>49612172>>49612175They bought It from khokhols:>>49611825
>>49605389Having dealt with China in business, this is giving me flashbacks
>>49612155Because everyone with authority is getting fucking rich off the corruption.
>>49605412You hate him because he speaks the truth. And you know it so you lash out
>>49612155It's deep in their pseudo-national mindset: one Ukrainian is a hohol, two Ukrainians are a partisan group, three Ukrainians are a partisan group with a traitor. Add to that the deep feel of resentment towards their non-existent national identity, endless attempts to artificially separate themselves from Russia and their typical steppe carelessness and you'll get yourself a good picture of what an Ukrainian is: "even if I won't eat it all, I'll at least take a bite". This is a more in-depth take on the question "how did China end up with Zubr LCAC, Su-33 and an aircraft carrier".
Fuck all the chicom gooks itt
>>49612185yeah i got that very early on, but my question still remainswhy don't they do anything about itin every revolution, the people that wanted change, cut the snakes head offnothing is happening in ukraine rn
>>49612199you sound like a butthurt russian to mewhat the typical mongol mindset? "if i can't live good, nobody will"? jesus, you fucking russians are retarded as shit if you seriously think anybody but some /pol/lacks fall for your chauvinistic attemptsfun fact speaking about the aircraft carrieras of my knowledge you albino africans stole it from ukraine i think i know where the root of ukraine's problem lies
>>49612199rent free lmao
>>49604889i don't know, reminds me of the shilling they did for the type-99 tank.all talk, ended up as an over-priced under-performing piece of shit that only serves as a propaganda arm.
>>49612249They already moved on to Type 99A: https://youtu.be/q8UtHrPw-cI
>>49612254so what you are saying is, they moved to propaganda arm A?reminds me alot of the iranian military "industry", a new paint job on old soviet tank/APC is a new revolutionary model.
>>49607073You could do what we did here in Australia and convince the chinese to ban our companies for us.Its really easy, just ask them where the 'rona came from and they will stop trading with you pretty much overnight.
>>49612263Just don't worry about It, It's just propaganda
>>49612275yup, the whole video reminds me of "combat approved" propaganda videos (but with lower effort and lower quality).can't those chink fuckers try at least to be convincing in their "unbiased sources propaganda"?then again, what do you expect from fuckers so lazy, they put a couple of yellow stars on a flag and call it a day, at least the soviets put some effort in their flag's logo.
>>49604908Beginning to think China's battleplan is based around confusing any western armies by copying our hardware so much we won't know who to shoot at in any future war.
>>49612328Their Black Hawk clone actually looks kino
>>49612219>Ukraine>Living goodOk, Taras.
>>49612342Are their radars really that crude?
>>49612362did i hit a nerve there, you mongolic coon?
>>49612328>US military industrial complex runs on BILLIONS of taxpayers dollars every year, 90% of it wasted>China just takes that 10% which works and makes it cheaperThey're onto something
>>49612388>Are their radars really that crude?Yeah
>>49612394>80% of the spending on the US side is R&D>china never R&D they just buy plans from israel and copy them at homedid you just woke up or are you that stupid ?
>>49606877They look nothing alike apart from both having delta wings and canards.
>>49611210>Posting it for the 195th time >Still shilling for China You dont have a life.
>>49604889China isnt dependent on foreign engines anymore for their strategic airlifters.Most importantly, the WS-20 opens the way up for strategic bombers and special missiles aircraft.
>>49612628>*special mission aircraft
>>49612628Now they're just dependent on foreign made (i.e. reliable) engine components
>>49612731The whole point of the WS-20 was to make everything indigenous. They had Russia as a supplier for all parts before, but now they got their engine bottleneck solved.WS-10 was their first step, and now the WS-20
>>49612785WS-10 also has basically served for 10+ years now, with very good reliability (not a single crash to date). Modified versions serve as interim engines for the J-20A.Looks like the WS-20, which is the high bypass version of the WS-10, was more complicated than the engine it was based on.
>>49612804The WS-10 even has a TVC variant, which cannot be done if it was still unreliable or used inferior engine parts.No, the entire reason why China needed 30 years to refine the WS-10 and WS-20 engines was because they had to find the alloys and manufacturing methods to make reliable engine parts, such as fan-blades. Now they did it.
>>49612804>Looks like the WS-20, which is the high bypass version of the WS-10FalseWS20 is a whole different engine. It’s 1 generation beyond the WS10, which employs a modified cfm56 core design. WS10 is already 100% indigenous.
>>49612824Didnt know that. I always thought that the CFM56 core was the grandfather of both WS-10 and WS-20, while the all-new engine will be the WS-15.This isnt bad or meant to disparage Chinese development efforts, since the LEAP series is also based on the CFM56 core. I fully expect the WS-20 to achieve similiar performance as the LEAP-1X in its further evolution.
>>49612628So the shape of the H-20 is confirmed then?
>>49612824>>49612816>>49612813>>49612804Why are you so angry over the shortcomings of your domestic manufacturing? I can synpathisze with someone who takes pride in their country but getting huffy and samefagging on a Cambodian shadow puppet forum is a but much don't you think?
>>49612840I do think so. Variable tail blended flying wing is maybe not bad, but actually quite innovative. During stealth ops, the tail would get retracted and the bomber turns into a flying wing, while during transsonic cruise and take off, the tail extended and offfering more stability.
>>49612853Why do you keep posting retarded stuff that’s proven to be false?
>>49612853Because in this case it isnt true. China has problems elsewhere, such as semiconductors, but in engine tech they spent the last 30 years trying to work out exactly that problem and ever since the WS-10 has been flying on hundreds of J-11Bs and now J-10Cs, we know that at least for that engine they have solved it.You can attack China with the inability of producing the WS-15, the next gen engine for the J-20, but for "old tech" like the WS-10/20, this isnt true anymore.
>>49612863Keep posting what? What are you talking about? What can you even prove?
>>49612857Would love to see a return of variable geometry, for the longest time it seemed like stealthmaxxing killed all fun in aeroplane designs
>>49612833WS10 had a tumultuous development history. The FADEC took like 7 years. In fact WS10 is not in widespread service (or service at all now). It’s the WS10A.
>>49612877At least it got FADEC. One thinks this is standard equipment by now, but even the AL-31FP TVC engine sold to the Indians with the Su-30MKI doesnt have that. And I remember even the 117S doesnt have that.
>>49612887>And I remember even the 117S doesnt have that.What?
>>49612628uh, wouldnt the much bigger news be that the WS-20 enables China to build their own passenger planes? I mean they already have the C919 doing flight tests, but it uses CFM LEAP engines, which is subject to sanctions if murrica decided to literally burn all bridges and say fuck to further Boeing sales to China.WS-20 might not be as fuel efficient since its a military engine, but it would suffice during emergencies to at least keep China's airliner project going. With guaranteed sales to national carriers, it would even work out economically.
>>49612891117 has FADEC, 117S doesnt.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_AL-31
>>49612867If they can't produce functional vaccines, follow basic clean room protocol or keep their chip foundries from exploding, then their claims of totally domestic made engines is farfetched at best
>>49612920Ok, I see I talk with an utter idiot.
Am I supposed to be threatened by a cargo plane
>>49612869this >>49612731is 100% wrong.
>>49612940Oh no! Cargo!!!
>>49612935Yes, the same way why you should feel more threatened by China building more amphibious assault ships and landing crafts than aircraft carriers.Power projection and logistics is what makes great powers.
>>49612867>China has problems elsewhere, such as semiconductorsI think we need to back off a bit.EVERYONE has problems with semiconductor.No nation is capable of a fully domestic 7nm+ node stack. Not Taiwan, not the US, not South Korea.You know Japan's most advanced fab is at 40nm, right?
>>49612956>dumb mutt doesn't understand what enabling technologies and force multipliers are>thinks he's smart>gets bootyblasted when people tell him otherwise
>>49612908If I wanted to board a Chinese made passenger plane I might as well just jump off a building myself for less money.
>>49612975>Chang gets mad about anything
>>49612956It's ok! It's secured by a loadmaster... it... it can't hurt you... unless?
>>49612961>>49612975I'll feel threatened when they can actually set up a logistical system to make these noteworthy. Otherwise it's a child with a tool it can't use.
>>49612995they did that in 2020 during the Wuhan airlift.
>>49605366>>49605389>angry chink replieshit the nail on the head brother
>>49612994oh no! cargo!
>>49613084WATCH OUT ITS TAINTED MRES!!!
>>49613072>says retarded as fuck shit>gets called out for being a huge retard>ya hit it on da head, bruthaMutts truly are worthless
>>49612988The ARJ-21 has been flying for years without problems, while that much more high tech Japanese competitor "Space Jet" has been plagued with issues.China has come a long way in aviation.
>>49613013Shit was kino as fuck.Kind of scary to see the massive mobilization ability of the CCP during crisis.Really scared those Taiwanese independence fuckers who previously coped with the same copium about China lacking logistics and organization.
>>49607354He didn't say it was a good politician or that his policies would've been any better. Just that anything besides a known actor in power is a big no-no to them. Consider that hilary didn't even have any policy to her campaign besides being a woman.
>>49613124>copy of the DC-9 is flying without problemsgeee, who will expect that if you build something using data and results from over 40 years of constant testing and monitoring it will actualy work better than something that's contains lot of just introduced and not refined tech.
>>49606865woah woah woah cool it with the anti-semitism
>>49604928They were probably inspired by the Blackhawk design, however it's not a straight copy as they seem to have made some structural modifications. Most notably, the Z-20 has 5 rotor blades and a different tailboom design.
>>49604910And Ukraine sold them their old Soviet aerospace industrial complex with all the Soviet design docs.
>>49612908>say fuck to further Boeing sales to ChinaYou mean Airbus sales
>>49613106You just called him a retard and then ran away, its shit like that that makes me doubt that the ccp can build anything of worth
>>49612172The blueprints aren't the problem. In general, the shape of the parts isn't hard to get your hands on. Thousands of CFM/P&W/RR engines land in China every day. The hard part is the manufacturing method for turbine blades, which is quite hard to reverse engineer by just looking at their shape.
>>49613241That's because it uses the rotor design from the EC225s that France sold to the Chinese Ministry of Transport
>>49613218>copy of the DC-9muttard detecteddisregard and discard.
>>49612155It would certainly have been the smart move by those engineers to work for China instead. The day that Ukraine became independent from Moscow (1991) was the day that Ukraine's aerospace industry lost its prospects for further investment, because Moscow would of course prefer to invest in Moscow-controlled industry. The day that Kiev became hostile to Moscow (2014) was the day that Ukraine's aerospace industry had no future at all. Who are they going to sell to, themselves? The state places some orders however Ukraine has nowhere near enough money for sustaining an independent aerospace industry.
>>49613334an accurate take. Russia will not buy from Ukraine. The west will not buy from Ukraine. China will not buy from Ukraine, but at least they'll hire you.Y-20 benefitted significantly from Antonov assistance. Whole families moved to China for that.
>>49613354China probably built them a little imitation Ukrainian village so they felt right at home too.
>>49613305Many kinds of parts in the helicopter are probably based on designs which are derived from imported designs, combined with a few parts of indigenous design; however the argument that "they have no skills, their engineers don't know what they are doing, they are just slavishly following an established design" gets a lot weaker when they are integrating designs that were never designed for each other.
>>49606877M8, its the same plane
>>49613365Nah. Just put them up in a tier 2 city and they’ll feel like they’re in heaven.Ukraine is in pretty bad shape.
>>49613392You practice TCM, you have no say
>>49612935Several implications.1. China's engine technology has advanced a step, which means their fighter jet engine technology probably is advancing as well.2. China can mass produce airlifters without dependence on foreign engines.3. Since the new engine has a higher bypass ratio, China's airlifters just became a lot better.4. A large fleet of powerful airlifters means China can deploy large, heavily equipped forces to a large part of the world, over land or over sea, within only a few days, and also keep them supplied.
>>49605508>china>paying license feesOkay, delusional dog eater.
>>49613334actually sadbecause they had really cool projects like a completely non toxic fuel rocketcould market it to mutt libtards>The day that Kiev became hostile to Moscow (2014)wrong thoughother way around and much much earliermoscow tried to annex crimea in but got their hands beaten
>>49613443I mean even with airlifters, their navy and other aircraft can't hold the open ocean to protect them.
>>49613443Also, this airlifter design can serve as the basis for large tankers and AWACS, acting as force multipliers for China's fighter jets
>>49613462That is only a problem if they need to transit through areas controlled by hostile forces. They can quickly shift forces within China. China has unobstructed access through most of Eurasia. For example, they can deploy to other countries like reinforcing Pakistan in a war against India, or to Iran for actions in the Middle East. Supposing a pro-China coup d'etat in Taiwan or some other country, they can quickly move PLA forces in to support the coupists.
>>49613354Actually Russia has been trying to invest into Ukrainian projects or place production orders, IIRC even after 2014, but half of the time Ukrainian aircraft constructors would just take the money and run.It's not some revenge against Russians, it's just what Ukrainians do with all their foreign business deals. Look at the Motor Sich thing for example, they sold the construction plant to Chinks, then seized and nationalized it again.
>>49613624>they sold the construction plant to ChinksI don't think that deal ever went through
>>49613670It did.Chinese investors acquired a controlling stake in 2017 and started grabbing documents and engineers. In 2018, Ukrainian security service noticed the fact and issued an arrest on the Chinese stakes, and this January they were officially nationalized by the President's order.Now Chinks are suing Ukrainian state for $3 billions (a third of the total Ukrainian budget), and the indirect losses from trade restrictions enforced by Chinese will probably be even higher.
>>49611805That looks like actual garbage. It's not even a flying wing.
>>49613633cyclone 4m i believeruns on non toxic components like kerosine
>>49613785I meant the "Russia tried to annex Crimea before 2014 but got beaten" part.Did you mean the Azov campaign of 1695 or what.
>>49607421>Headlines=truthsAlso, the demographic bomb is a problem. Mutts are importing foreigners. Russia is finally having babies. China's workers are retiring.
>>496138272003 on the tuzla islandthey tried to annex it but were pushed back by ukrainian border patroltheir president left south america this very day to watch it himselfthey also tried the same shit with the opressed russians etc.and i believe there was also an attempt in the 90s, but i don't know very much about thatwas on a german reportage that year, but you can't find shit about it for some reason
>>49613993Also modern J-10 all have DSI, just like the J-20 and the F-35 to reduce radar signature from the intakes
>>49614048it's just like how the entire fucking airframe and weightclass isnt the same between Lavi and J-10.J-10 is basically Eurofighter sized while Lavi is Gripen sized.
>>49605093I believe it, cause I've seen what they're talking about. The U.S. has multiple motherships and other smaller spaceships, and they can all travel at the speed of light.
>>49614126lay off crack, now
>>49613879Lmaoing at hohol historiography
>>49614173actually german but by the seething i guess you are russian?what exactly was wrong in my post? it is a fact that russia tried to annex the island
>>49614071>while Lavi is Gripen sized.Lavi is actually even smaller.
>>49605077That's what happens if you're a shithole in civil war mode until 1990. Rural villages to this day are stockpiling old artillery and shells, just in case they need to shell the neighboring village again.
>>49613331Post gun and hand
>>49614236no need for that.
>>49613763and what more hilarious was the fact that it achieved absolutely nothing. The Chinese still had their engine in the end while Ukraine is now both hostile to Russia AND China who was neutral and investing. They elected a literal clown for president and he did not disappoint LMAO
>>49614455It was probably done at the behest of the US, so what it did achieve was to placate the US.
>>49614455>The Chinese still had their engine in the endno thanks to the Ukrainians. But honestly, if you were in their shoes, what can you really do? Say no to Uncle Sam? Good luck with that.
>>49613241>>49613331>>49614449>China slide thread>its that samefagging Pajeet pretending to be Chinese with some old pictures again>223 posts>83 IPsof course
>>49614192>actually germanI'm sure you are.>what exactly was wrong in my post?More or less everything but the fact there was a border conflict.First, you moved goalposts from "Russia tried to annex Crimea" to "Russia tried to annex tiny-ass island near Crimea".Second, there was no annexation attempt, but a terraforming project. At no point of time Russian forces tried to even make a landing on the island. Because Russia didn't need the tiny-ass island itself, they needed a free passage through the Kerch strait, so they built a dam (within Russian borders) which would have eventually caused the island to cease existing. Which is, of course, a dick move, but technically legal.Third, there was no "pushing back" by a border patrol. The works were conducted fully within the Russian border.Fourth, they couldn't have used the "oppressed Russian population" because, again, it's a tiny-ass sand island, like 500 meters in width at max. Which population, three and a half hobos in a dirt shack? No, Russia claimed they are doing it to reinforce their shoreline against erosion.Fifth, Russians had their "hands beaten" by... Ukraine recognizing the Kerch strait as shared Russian-Ukrainian waters, and guaranteeing Russian ships free passage without any tolls? In other words, fully satisfying all the Russian needs while losing future profits? They were just saving face because there was nothing they could do to stop it.
>>49613136The Chinese are scary as fuck. They've adopted the most efficient parts of our economic model and the most efficient parts of the socialist model. It is genuine, bona fide fascism, complete with national pride, integration of the private sector into the state, and stratification of society according to role.
>>49615008In other words, the future.
>>49615008Says you, all I see is a pack of thin skinned superstitious mad men propped up by jews
>>49615270>all I see>IThat’s your problem. You’re a dumbfuck.
>>49612887>117S doesnt have that>>49612912>117S doesntYes it does.http://bastion-karpenko.ru/al-41f-1s/
>>49615008a shame the cultural revolution was such a clusterfuckbut such is the power of progress
>>49615504You're shilling for China and call others dumbfuck lol
>>49616981Gotta love how this meme has been so devolved from its original intent. Do newfags unironically think the "chad" part of the meme is supposed to be the "good side"?
>>49613314Only American opinions matter, Hapanda.
>>49613388They literally will be in heaven once the buildings fall over from the styrofoam construction.
>>49616981Legalists are the original CHADActually, if the legalists won, China would have won against the Imperialists in the 19th century. The huge Qing empire but powered by a state that actually could would have buried the puny britshits like the worms they were.
>>49613241Ofcourse the chinks are going to rice it. Like duh.
>>49613241The battlehawk version will create quite a bit of confusion against the Taiwanese.They will think its their own SOFs evacuating their seccessionist leadership but in reality its the PLA SOFs that will bring their straight to Beijing's People's Court for death penalty.
>>49615008>It is genuine, bona fide fascism,The reason it's working is that China took 50 years to get there instead of 5. Mussolini and hitler moved too fast and didn't let society settle into the fascist order gently and naturally. By nature, fascism is an attractive and rather natural state for human societies, something like has been around if not dominant in every era and every place, but a factitious and modernizing global economy was too much for them.What hitler and Mussolini failed to understand, but the Chinese understood all too well, was that a global society already exists, and it has rules, and you have to work within it, not outside of it, in order to achieve dominance. Anyway, they're already starting to teach mandarin in grade schools so it's all good.
>>49614754are you retarded or do you just pretend?yes i live in germany and yes i speak germanim not moving the goalpost, i clearly stated that it could also be in the 90s and that im not sure because the reportage was a long time ago and i can't find it anywhere, like alot of actually relevant documentations that are nowhere to be found these days in germanyi still clearly remember that there were men, waving russian flags and calling for a anschluss to russia>Because Russia didn't need the tiny-ass island itself, they needed a free passage through the Kerch straityeah they cared so little about it, that after they annexed crimea in 2014, they transfered the kerch strait to mainland russia from crimea lmaorussia also build the bridge right in line with the kerch straitsounds like you were pretty butthurt about what happened in 2003>Third, there was no "pushing back" by a border patrol. The works were conducted fully within the Russian bordereven wikipedia states that one of your tugboats was arrested by the ukrainian border patrol>Fourthi found something in pic relatedturns out you tried it about every decade and finally got away with it in 2014>Fifththat was the biggest mistake of ukraine, to agree with russians on any border dispute is simply retarded because russians never stop to push for more
>>49617298You can't even beat the bongs today, you'd just get genocided even harder with your proto-tankies by the based Redcoats.
>>49617400Did you get seething-related brain damage during your ban, Hapanda? China will lose to Taiwan just as it lost to the Vietnamese, even without Americans genociding chinks like they did in Korea. Lick the earth, genuflecting is your natural state and the Mandate of Heaven has passed yet again to the barbarian.
>>49617531bold claims for a country that has to import Shanghai Zhenhua Cranes to build their aircraft carriers.
Threadly reminder to the Chinese, You Will Never Be Real Han.
>>49615008it's like they are controlled by an A.I.the way they plan strategically and the way they turned the corona pandemic into their favor, simply can't be done by humans and especially commies which are subhuman by defenition
>>49617565>Has toBold claim for a country whose aircraft carriers have their propellers explode in a low-speed pursuit.
>>49617585Democrats using the Chinese virus released by Chinese incompetence should not surprise you. Also why do you keep replying to yourself?
>>49617596Source for your claim. And Indian shitposting sites liek WION do not count.https://www.cranesdq.com/ship-building-gantry-crane.htmlOh no no no noHow will this de-industrialized shithole filled with Chavs and Pakis ever be able to compete with Fascist well organized AI-empowered China?
>>49605508shut the fuck up, nigger-loving chink
>>49617611how did the democrats use the chinese virus?all in all it seems like china planned such an pandemic to trap the western countries into fighting it when they actually were done with this a long time ago and could focus on capturing major trade routes scot freethey controll all major trade routes and crash the western economy with simply not giving back countainers, which are also produced in china
>>49617611>>49617766also take your meds you shizo faggot
>>49607248>Neo-liberalism is the ruling system of most of the world, certainly the developed worldCan you even define it?
>>49604889>allow enemy to spend trillions of dollars and thousands of years of man hours developing military technology in time of peace>copy it 90% for 10% of the cost>make twice as many>win war for cheap
>>49617786neoliberalism is just regular old liberalism but ancap faggots are sick of actual people dunking on them with Bentham and Locke and Hobbes so they came up with a new word
>>49617766Meanwhile in reality you will provide slave labor for the West until your demographic collapse makes your labor no longer the cheapest, at which point your economy collapses too.
>>49617654We all saw the pictures, retard. Chinese engineering is even poorer than Russian and no amount of "y-you hired a cheap crane m-made in China" will allow you to cope. Now go puff your opium and dream of restoring the Han.
>>49617804>Your copies are inferior and break>Your inexperienced soldiers, no longer fanatically motivated to die in droves against the Western Pigdogs, break and run>Another Century of Humiliation beginsForgot a few steps, No Dong.
Reminder that the hapa who spams these threads defended the fact that he's never been able to find a girl to have sex with him, owns no guns, and his white dad left his mom and that's why he shills China for free.
>>49618782Makes sense, all he does is say "retard" and then run away like a lil' BITCH
>>49607056well obviously he didn't know she was a spy,I mean that's the whole point of a spy. If he had been passing her confidential material then that would actually be a big deal.
>>49605003>F-15 loses her perfect A2A record by a Il-76 copy ramming it out of the skyI would fly to Beijing, kneel on an American flag, and eat my hat
>>49607198>communist democrat partwhy are americans so fucking stupid, your establishment democrat party isn't even left wing, let alone fucking communist.
>>49620974>t. hasn't been paying attention for the last 12 monthsThere's a hard-left faction that's been brewing. It's more maoist than European social democrat.
>>49618782>things that never happened>inb4 you accuse me of being your imaginary friend
>>49620998the faction that consists of like 2 or 3 people in congress that can't get anything it wants done because no actual democrats are on their side. and I wouldn't say aoc or omar or sanders are even communist at all, they're just actually left wing, so when compared to the dems it looks communist because america is so far to the right that anything slightly left is seen as communist.
>>49617187chad is reckless and elementalthe virgin is cautious and cerebral
>>49621097If it weren’t for the CRT they would just be left wing which would be more tolerable, its the racializing that makes it 10x worse
>>49617518>yes i live in germany and yes i speak germanEven worse if so. It's bad enough for an Ukrainian to be a hohol, but for a German it's unforgivable. >im not moving the goalpostYes you are. When asked when did Russia try to annex Crimea, you named the Tuzla incident.>they transfered the kerch strait to mainland russia from crimeaSo transferred from Russia to Russia; what exactly is it supposed to be proving?>russia also build the bridge right in line with the kerch straitEr, what? How the fuck else would they built a bridge across Kerch strait if not through Kerch strait?Are you legit retarded? >sounds like you were pretty butthurt about what happened in 2003Nigga, this thread is the first time I heard about it. And why would I be butthurt about an even which was a total win for my side?>one of your tugboats was arrested by the ukrainian border patrolIt quietly surrendered and was returned to Russia without further issues.Are you seriously calling a tugboat entering the Ukrainian waters an annexation attempt? I guess Ukraine tried to annex Russia in November 2018 lmao.>i found something in pic relatedDunno what you found, because there is not a single word even hinting to Russia trying to annex Crimea citing oppression of the local population.And it's unrelated to Tuzla anyway.>the biggest mistake of ukraineThat would be declaration of independence.
>>49608725Are the chinks making concept art of that low-res propaganda pic that everyone found out was a poorly-photoshopped 60-year-old soviet copy aircraft 5 seconds after release?>>49612342Why do the chinks make blackhawk clones instead of kasatka clones?>>49612961>Power projection and logistics is what makes great powers.You mean like how the USN already refined that down to a science?
>>49617181>shillingYou’re hopelessly retarded
>>49617596>have their propellers explode in a low-speed pursuit.Wtf is this shit?
>>49620874>Il-76 copyThat’s not a copy, retard
>>49604947Technically studying the original design and make your own copy with several modifications still counts as reverse engineering. It doesn't need to be a 1:1 copy for it to be considered reverse engineering.
>>49621686He believed those fake tweets by pajeets and Taiwanese who posted pictures of the smoking Kuznetsov claiming it was the Liaoning and that supposedly that smoke was caused by the boilers "blowing up" chasing the USS Mustin
>>49605003"big radar disc shoot down fat American"
>>49621609>Why do the chinks make blackhawk clones instead of kasatka clones?Even the russians only built 2 of them...
>>49618718delusional as usualif you didn't notice, products made in china are already increasing in price that's because chinese salary also increased rapidly in the last decade china is already moving it's production into india, africa, south america and soon russiachina won't provide cheap products anymore because the ammount of rich people in china is already higher than in the usif you seriously think the chinese economy will collapse than you are truly retardedthey are already hold major key technologies for the future markets, like 5g, battery production, own chip manufacturing and basically all of the essential products you need for trade, like ships, containers etcchina own the biggest 5g technology manufacturer, sony erricson and nokia are clowns compared to huawei, that can't even fullfill the worlds demand, even if they triedthe west is already crumbling, as we see with europe and the ukrainian conflict, where west europe doesn't listen to the us and fucks over ukraine and their east european allies like usualstop being a delusional faggot, stop watching dumb youtube videos of some coping western globo homo faggots that try to sell you china as a weaklingagain, they now own all major trade ports in the world and are ever expanding to asia, africa and soon russia
>>49622805Implessive, it's a shame that everything you said was wrong but whatever
>>49622805Xi sent magicians to combat the spread of the wuhan flu during the initial outbreak, so I really doubt that China has much going for it outside of a pack angry happas and paid activists. https://www.economist.com/china/2020/04/11/china-backs-unproven-treatments-for-covid-19
>>49622805China are also planning for the 123 global trade project using the infraestructure of Belt & Road, so It won't matter if the price of labor is not as cheap as before, buying from china will mean that products will reach within 3 days.Their underwater railway project to the Canada and the US was planned for this: https://youtu.be/fzl11OAg-mE
>>49610809>recreational dog burningWeird way of saying beating the Americans at their own game.
>>49623015Oh look another poorly built infrastructure projection
>>49623104>Oh look another poorly built infrastructure projectionYou mean the Californian high speed network? First projected in 2005, and It's still not finished, China during that same timeframe built the entire high speed railway network the entire country
>>49621466are you traumatized by hohols? lmao, you are seeing hohols everywhere, take some russian meds or something kek>Yes you arei said that there also was something in the 90s and that im not sure>So transferred from Russia to Russialol what?moscow transfered it from an occupied territory to russiaalso the kerch strait was part of the crimean autonomous island beforebesides that nobody transfers regions for no reasonin bavaria for example, there is a major movement of franks that want their own regionbut nobody will give them that, and nobody will transfer frankish regions to "mainland" germanyit only show's how much butthurt you are over the 2003 incident >if not through Kerch strait?lol retardNorthern route, cape fonar and cape maly kut for example, which would also be shorter in distancebut it again shows how much buttblasted you were over the 2003 incident >I guess Ukraine tried to annex Russia in November 2018that's what russian stated>It quietly surrenderedukrainians should have just shot at it and it would be ok for the rest of the world >Crimea citing oppression of the local populationah yes the oppressed russian population movement againtotally no agitators from moscow involvedwhere did i see this again? hmm>That would be declaration of independenceprobablybecause ukrainians are not ready to fight for their nationHonest question thoughwhy do you russians come to /k/ out of all places?people on this board aren't that retarded like /pol/acken to fall for any of your shityou get legit laughed at when you try to argue how your trash can compete and that your army is a threat to the natoare you a masochist or just a cuck that enjoys humiliation?
>>49605389Receiving heavy flak over the target I see. Great post.
>>49604951Good thing America would never allow Chinese citizens to attend American universities... OH WAIT
>>49622925what particular point's are wrong?prove with facts and sources please>>49623001>5000 on a population of over 1 billion chinksyeah nahfact remains, that they are out of the pandemic in full force and the west is still cucked>>49623015yeah like i said, they own all major ports accross the world now>>49623104china has the biggest high speed train network in the worldbigger than japan germany usa france combinedand they are expanding
>>49620834Do you know that for a fact Jack? Nobody really knows because the fucking FBI did not raid his office and home, then question him at length to see if any information was inadvertently given to the slope.Also, that faggot still has a security clearance, and sits on the permanent select intelligence house committee. Imagine if you will a government official in the 1980s getting caught banging a Soviet spy, and nobody in the press questions him, and he still keeps his seat on the intelligence committee, and the FBI does not even look into the matter.
>>49623195He's being retarded anyway. Finding out the composition of a metal is easy and half the battle. The other half is experimenting with heat treatment and mechanical testing but all that needs is time and money. It's barely even skilled labor, except for one guy with a degree at the top to make sure it's done efficiently. And from an engineering perspective any "secret" (lol) alloy can just be replaced with perfectly fine common alloy for some minor amount of extra weight.
>>49612155They're a country ruled by Jews. Americans here should definitely be able to sympathize.
>>49623466go back to /pol/ you mongoloid
>>49623472What did I say that was wrong, habibi?
>>49605508Fuck off dog muncher
>>49607421Fuck off chicom. You aren’t going to take over an American website with your shitty memes.
>>49622805ImpressiveWith this most recent achievement, fate has, in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. The blessings of Chinese plasma stealth technology, undetectable hypersonic combat vehicles, quantum direct-current electricity, neutrino submarine detectors, gamma titanium mono crystal turbines, quantum aircraft carriers, unmanned autonomous A.I. tanks, near-space ballistic air-to-air missiles, super light tanks, +2km range airburst rifles, quantum enhanced railguns, 5G Remote Surgery, magnetized plasma cannons, and quantum superalloy drones will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.
>>49623747good post western degenerate only 10 years of re education camp for you
>>49621945That’s not what I was getting at
>>49623841Thank you plastic overproducer. Here is some fine pangolin meat boiled from the finest water from the Yangtze River.
>>49623589>muh jewsthe meme that ukraine is owned by jews came from /pol/or to be precise from russians, which is not surprising as /pol/ is curated by russians for the most partif you would use your brain, you would see that saying that ukraine is owned by jews automatically means that russia is also owned by jewsbecause these jews from ukraine have business and family ties with the russian jews and the fact that ukrainians try to get rid of said jews and these jews run to russia for help, would totally destroy the nerative the russians try to push on /pol/ that russia is somehow anti globo homo and will save humanity lmaogo back retard
>>49624021i appreciate the appreciation white monkeyamerican cuisine with gen manipulated artificial food full of hormones and chlorine, that makes even skinny people have cellulite and generally "mutted" appearance, is ofcourse unmatched i must admit did you smile and were nice to random people without even meaning it, to fit the american social nerative, today?
>>49607056>One of the democrats was caught fucking a Chinese spylol what?
>>49614455kek, fucking ukros man!
>>49604889Congratulations, through corporate espionage, you've managed to copy a 50 year old plane.
>>49624503>Congratulations, through corporate espionage, you've managed to copy a 50 year old plane.A plane which is still in service since carge ship tech hasn't changed and won't advace that much in the near future unless we got with antigravity tech
>>49624503>too dumb to even understand what’s going on itt
>>49604908so a repeat of the Korean war then?
>>49624038It's a meme that comes from reality. Pretty much all of their oligarchs, including their standing president are Jews. Take your muh pol obsession somewhere else, tranny.
>>49605093my uncle works for nintendo
What I expected>So, the People's Liberation Army Airforce have finally succeeded in producing the WS-20, a domestic engine for themselves, greatly improve the payload and range for the Xian Y-20 Kunpeng. This would surely augment their presence in the south China sea and their base in Djibouti. Furthermore, it coincides with thier plans to develop the plane into an aerial refuller and early warning craft as well.What I wound up with>CHINKS BAD!>NO, YANKS BAD!>NO, THIS THREAD NOW UKRANIEAN!>DAS JUDEN!!!
>>49614126I'm just gonna leave this here...https://m.fark.com/comments/3508671/39314473https://m.fark.com/comments/4371964/50903132/Scientists-think-warp-driven-starships-may-be-possible-one-day-at-least-until-some-acting-ensign-pulls-o#c50903132
>>49624841Is that site broken? The UI just looks bad and bland in comparison to other imageboard/microblogging sites.
>>49624703>muh trannyarmatard please go back you retarded monkey1st Porochenko has romanian or hungarian blood and isn't a ethnical jew2nd Porochenko's business still worked and works throughout all these years, even though russia and putin confiscated business or killed people for much less than being a elite from an enemy goverment3rd porochenko and medvechuck have family ties4th medvechuck is a pro russian agitator that owns several tv channels in ukraine that project the russian narrative 1 to 1he is also the godfather of putin's daughtersso by your retarded logic that would make putin a jew tooor sechin and rotenberg who have family and business ties with porochenko, akhmetov, firtash and groismanthe only openly ethnic jew in ukraine is kolomoiskyfuck outta here you vanilla asian rat
>>49610852It's supposedly foldable.
>>49624865I dunno. I don't actually use it, but this is a place where some Fed/DoD/Contractor-types would spitball about naughty stuff before the DIA caught wind.
>>49624838>What I expectedBRO THIS IS /K/ WHERE HALF THE PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY BELOW POVERTY LINE.
>>49624076Thank care to not pollute your country too much there yellow belly. People still need to live there in the future.
>>49624838That's /k/ from 13 years ago. Did you hop into a time machine or something? Every thread is like this. Nowadays, you can only expect posters LARPing as chink shills, and posters playing along.
>>49625216So? What does being poor have to do with it?
>be retard who can't format his posts to save his life>only ever talk about Ukraine and Russia>have detailed opinions about internal Ukrainian politics which don't matter for anybody else in the world>repeat every single piece of Ukrainian internal propaganda>post Ukrainian sources written in Ukrainian language>take Ukrainian side in every single argument>never ever criticize Ukraine>do that for months>expect people to believe you are a German living in Germany
>>49624838Blame the forum shills for shitting up another thread. As usual, the admins do jack shit to them.
>>49625296>That's /k/ from 13 years ago.Excuse me for a minute, I have to shoot myself.
>>49625346Sorry, the closest /k/ comes to genuinely talking about weapons is when there's something happening on the political front about weapon laws.The rest of the time it's just a weapons-themed /int/-tier shitposting.
>>49623133>i said that there also was something in the 90s and that im not sureSo all the things you said had no relation to Tuzla incident?Then why did you keep bringing it up?>moscow transfered it from an occupied territory to russiaFrom Russia to Russia, that's what I said.If their goal was to get the Tuzla island, then there would have been no reason to do that. Because they already got it, it's part of Russia, whether it's in Crimea or in mainland.Were you trying to imply they were doing it to make it "double Russian"? So that even if a miracle happens and Crimea is returned to Ukraine, Tuzla island stays Russian because "nothing can be done, they declared it Russian"?What a retard.>besides that nobody transfers regions for no reasonDo you always just spew random shit which has no relation to reality?Of course they do, it's a routine thing which is done all the time. What do you think happens when a city grows, and it's administrative borders need to be extended? A part of the surrounding region gets "transported" into the city region.As for Kerch strait and bridge, they most likely attached it to mainland Russia for logistical reasons. If part of the bridge belongs to Crimea and part belongs to Krasnodar, that means any maintenance would require twice as much paperwork and cooperation between different region governments; and Crimea would have to requisition materials and personnel from Krasnodar anyway. It's just easier to make it all the responsibility of Krasnodar.>that's what russian statedThat's 100% bullshit and you can fuck right off unless you present a quote from some Russian calling Ukrainian boats getting into Russian waters an "annexation".>ukrainians should have just shot at it and it would be ok for the rest of the world Who's butthurt now lmao.
>>49623133>ah yes the oppressed russian population movement againNigga, you serious?I'm literally saying that "there's not a single word about Russian oppression", you quote it as "Russian oppression" and go "AGAIN YOU ARE CLAIMING OPPRESSION AHA"Are you legit incapable of reading a sentence or you are just pretending to be retarded?>totally no agitators from moscow involvedYeah, you are just outright making shit up now.>here's a text about Russians trying to annex Crimea>no, there's nothing like that in the text>forget about text, it probably totally happened>because ukrainians are not ready to fight for their nationNo, it's just that there's no nation.Ukrainians are literally Russians in denial, their national idea is "the opposite of what Russians do". Of course there can be no nation building on this basis.>why do you russians come to /k/ out of all places?>your army is a threat to the natoGood question. Why do "Germans" come to /k/? Your army is even more laughable and your gun control laws are even stricter, you must be really fucked up to come here.
>>49623133And even if we pretend that you are not retarded:>totally no agitators from moscow involvedEven if there were Moscow agitators (what for? Russia was in no position to annex anything in the nineties, the goal was not to fracture further with Chechnya and the rest of similar shit), here's a surprise: sending agitators fueling anti-government movements is still not the annexation.Otherwise we could claim that US is currently annexing Russia, China is annexing US and Somali is annexing Europe.And then we would sound like complete fucking bellends. Maybe it's your thing, but leave others out of it.Like I'm not sure you understand.Annexation is a word which has actual meaning. It's not just "doing bad things". It's annexation. Open a dictionary or something.
>>49625285no need to thank, victim in your own country, safe your energy for yourselfIm sure, China as the leading Country in Green Technologies will help you out, when you pollute your ground water from all the fracking, in the name of freedom
>questions asked about ukraine's situation>/pol/ tier meme answers are spammed from russian /pol/tards>they all write the same shit their state propaganda says>all reply in a fixed time span, like they coordinate themselfs>some faggot think's in /pol/ tier memes about german gun law and german arm's industry or anything about the german armyIm actually a bit glad for ukrainians because they can save some money living rent free inside vatnigger head'swhere do these Inverse Raddish faggot's even come from, with their fucking plebbit spacing and glowing posts?
>>49626016>hohol reduced to pure seething, can't even argue anymore, just screeches of muh propaganda glowiesAren't you tired of things ending like that every time?>they all write the same shit their state propaganda says>all reply in a fixed time span, like they coordinate themselfsNigger, that's all me, a single person. Have you heard of the character limit?I guess I shouldn't be surprised you consider paragraphs reddit spacing, given how you format your posts.
>>49624974Not gonna read all that, schizo. Take a nap and calm down.