Lets get a discussion on ballistic armor going, what does /k/ think of poly/ceramic hybrids vs ceramic vs ar500?favourite plate carriers/recomendations?pics of your rigs welcome
>>49595855steel badceramic good
I have a 5x8 Soft Trauma Plate in the front pouch of my Level III vest, would putting a metal plate inside that pouch vs. the trauma plate be better?how about stacking them if I can make them fit, steel in front and trauma plate behind that
>>49595855Updated AR500 Copypasta.1. AR500 armor is the only manufacturer to ever undergo a CPSC recall. This is because their QC sucks, and they sold plates that are perforated by M80.https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2016/AR500-Armor-Recalls-Level-III-Body-Armor/2. There are more accounts of AR500 Armor's plates being penetrated by M80 ball.https://i2.yuki.la/a/a8/c1864afa2a3df517b5557be64857155fbda4ecc34cd8f6b0b0adf49a57781a8a.jpgAnother one: https://i.imgur.com/5avoMs9.jpghttps://twitter.com/Xaniken/status/13034176446248673313. Many if not most of AR500 Armor's YouTube tests are done by paid associates.https://www.avantlink.com/programs/15253/ar500-armor-affiliate-program4. Steel is reliably perforated by lead-core 5.56mm rounds from 16" barrels.Steel performs better against M855, but M855 is the much less common domestic threat. In fact, M193 and similar lead-cored 5.56mm rounds are THE MOST COMMON domestic threats.5. In head-to-head comparison videos, Chinese Mystery Steel from wish.com BTFO AR500 Armor's scrap alloy plate.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZZ0fha0x-w6. Frag from steel armor plates is a real problem. Even if your shit AR500 plate stops an incoming round, you might still end up dead via frag to neck.https://www.bitchute.com/video/5AqPvyb5Duo/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An6aM8zL-U87. They spend >$30,000/month in advertising. Certifying a plate costs way less than that. They're not certifying their plates not because they can't afford it, but because they don't want to do the QC that the NIJ makes manufacturers commit to.8. AR500 are fond of taking money and not shipping product. They've had dozens of BBB complaints just over the past few months.9. Their plate carriers are bad quality at Crye prices. Sometimes AR500 plate carriers are Condor-tier.10. Check their independent testing. Many of those tests are several years old and many of those plates are much heavier than advertised.Never buy AR500's stuff.
Not all steel is created equal. The steel armor plate tier list:S Tier: AMI TAC3S LTA+ Tier: AMI TAC3SMA Tier: Highcom AR1000, baseline AMI TAC3S, Tencate 8075SAB Tier: RMA AR550C Tier: Highcom AR500D Tier: Spartan Armor AR550, CATI AR600F Tier: Wish.com, AliExpress, Chinese mystery steel in general.Shit Tier: AR500 Armor Level III+Ultra Shit Tier: AR500 Armor Level IIIUltimate Shit Tier: AR500 Armor Level IIIASee also picrel.
Ar500 rocks, get it 4 sure. It's pro LGBT and the armor of poc everywhere.
oh, my rig, still need IFAK, s&j dsc cards and carriers, might switch out the carrier as this one is a bit big around the abdomen for my frame.
Ceramic strike faces are required. If you want to back it with UHMWPE or a kevlar trauma plate it's up to you. Hesco 4401 single curve is where you start, pay more if you want.
>>49595946Agree for most of that, except my testudo lite carrier is actually pretty good. I think their carriers are GTG, but I'm using a ceramic plate
I'm a leaf with plenty of monopoly rainbow faggot pesos, what's the best level 4 plates I can get?
>>49598145not sure of it is the best but this is what I gothttps://www.bodyarmourcanada.com/shop-bullet-resistant-or-stab-resistant/level-iv-lightweight-stand-alone-ballistic-plates-273-kg-individual-or-set
If I put level IIIa backers behind a special threat plate will that give me equivalent to level iv protection?
>>49595906Dont use metal/steel plates, instead maybe look for hesco 4401 or RMA 1155 if on a budget. And trauma plates really aren’t neccessary, modern certified ceramic plates will probably not cause enough back face deformation for any injuries
>>49596519You should invest in a warfighting belt so you don't have to attach everything to your rig.
>>49595883Simple as. Steel plate buyers on this board deserve what they get at this point
>>49600498They should be shot on sight, is what.
>>49598145S&J hardware has plates.
>>49596132No shit, AR500 just released their new logo for Pride Month.
>>49600469thanks anon, will look into that, it would also give me a nice option for mounting my holster, some mags and maybe some spare slugs as well
>>49596132>literally has a "no lead time section">order from there>week later, still nothing has been shipped>they keep advertising huge sales>yet nothing every shippedim convinced ar500 is just straight up a scam company that sells nothing.
>>49604588Many such cases. AR500 is snake oil all the way down
Is steel armor really garbage or is that just another example of /k/ autism speaks - do the opposite of /k/ says thing?
>>49605309You should avoid steel armor at all costs. There’s a reason no military on earth uses it in spite of it being so comparatively cheap. AR500 especially is a rip off and sells armor for newly the same price as ceramic. You’re better off with chink ceramic than American steel
My dad was visiting me yesterday and I pulled out my vest to show him. He immediately punched it and broke a knuckle. My dad is a retard but he had way better grouping than me with my 5.56
>>49605309It's literally worse than no armor at all.It's like 10 pounds per plate, and literally won't reliably stop the most common rifle round (by far) in the USA.And even if you get lucky and your steel plate manages to stop a threat, you'll have to deal with red-hot line-X and bullet fragments in your neck and jaw. This is the case even with handgun rounds.
>>49595855What i want to know is why is there no UHMWPE suit of armor or at least close to it? It weighs nothing and exibits almost no friction. Steel core could still zip you but still bros.At least pic rel with more coverage and flared edges to deflect/eat the rare spall.I dont even like anime and i listen to the Eagles but darn it we can make some cool weird stuff and we should.
>>49595957Yeah please tell me more about these elite steels. Are any lvl 4? All i ever hear is death to ar500.
>>49595855Anyone ever heard of ceramic or alumina spheres inlaid into uhmwpe? I cant remember if it was a dream or not.
>>49606559That's still a fuckton of weight, bulk, and cumbersome bullshit. At most, I would do level 4 ceramic front/back, and UHMWPE shoulder plates, side plates, and a groin plate. Even then that would be a lot. Every time someone goes "X doesn't weigh that much" they don't consider that weight at extremities multiplies energy expenditure, how that shit will snag on everything and make you overheat at the merest whiff of summer.
>>49595855>>49595906>>49598569Recommendations for soft/hard trauma inserts? Or should I just skip them?I currently have Highcom Level IV ceramic plates.
>>49606844if it is a standalone plate you do not need them.Ive never been shot though
>>49606615It wouldn't need to be full body. 6x8 side plates, shoulder plates, ab/groin plate, 6x8 thigh plates and a frontal neck shield would be good addons to a standard helmet + ceramic front/back system.
>>49605877Dude I have steel armor and 5.56 barely marks it. Even 45 70 hasn't made it through
>>49608383What kind of 5.56, and what barrel length?It’s well known that m193 will fuck steel armor from a 20” — or shorter.
>>49608383What type of 5.56 and what barrel length?
someone link the best player carrier and plates on the market
>>49608432>>4960841511.5 inch sbr. M855. I’m trans btw, if it matters.
Can someone post the /bag/ thread opener?
>>49609308Playing his plate carriers on hard.
>>49609308That’s not fair because it’s harder to hit, so the bad guys have to aim better
>>49609308Better than their regular plates. Lighter at least
>>49609316these are my easy mode ones
>>49595855POST CERAMIC ABDOMINAL PLATES I DON"T WANNA TO POOP IN A BAGhttps://youtu.be/FlHsVQDbyx4?t=800
>>49605309With steel there will be spall. But the plus side of steel is its most likely to be hit at an angle and not penetrate.The down side is the same as that hot spall is going into a limb. Legs, arm or neck.Steel is also heavy. Even so spall isn't a lung or chest hole so thats positive.Its up to you how lucky you are and if you don't mind the sight of your own blood.Just bring a med kit as with steel you'll need it even if the steel works as intended.
>>49610253a kevlar dick flap will stop 12 gauge, 12 gauge can't penetrate armor for shit
>>49610368With steel you will also get slotted by any NPC with an AR loaded with M193... which is most of them. It's just fucking stupid, particularly at 9 pounds per plate.
>>49595855This Pic took way too much effort to find for you fags. Steel has 2 major problems:> High velocity spalling / fragmentation, into limbs / neck / groin / leg area.The Line-X coating does not survive multiple hits and contain spalling well in it's current configuration. They do sell spall bags, which are kevlar/ballistic nylon sacks you put the steel plate into to prevent spalling. If you have steel plates, and have the anti-frag bags, you're fine.> For the same mass of a steel level III plate, you can get a Level IV Ceramic with better protection. Steel is heavy. This is a bigger issue tbqh. Even wearing lightweight plates, you'll feel them after wearing them for a short time.
what are some good additional shoulder, neck, groin, side armor options? just got a jpc 2.0 but i feel like i need more coverage.
>>49608489Too lazy to link but RMA 1199 or HESCO 4800s. they weigh 5 lb each and are level IV. Best carrier? any of the modern skeletal carriers with quick detach they are all the same.Armor you can only have 2 of 3 things: pick 2 you can't have the other:- Cheap and Light: shitty protection- Light and Protective: Not cheap- Protection and Cheap: heavy as fuck
>>49610752honestly they are kind of useless against rifle threats, they are usually soft IIIA backers or some kind of soft armor anyway M193 will punch right through that shit.
>>49598346Buffman recently did a test similar to that https://youtu.be/e3ULXQDvXQU
>>49608432>>49608415Serbian surplus green tips and fake Winchester green tips out of a 16 inch barrel
>>49598346It will stop M193 and M855A1 and M80. not sure about x51 or the higher 7.62 rounds. or 30.06 black tip.
>>49610752HASP PE level 3 shoulder plates6x6 side platesMehler Vario ab/groin plateceramic plate for the front of a helmet
>>49610950> HASP PE level 3 shoulder platesYeah.> 6x6 side platesNot always necessary, but they don't hurt.> Mehler Vario ab/groin plateYeah on the ab plate, no on the groin plate, unless you expect you'll be hit with frag from a grenade or IED.> ceramic plate for the front of a helmetThese are awesome. I think that you can only get them from HHV, but they fit the MICH and most other helmets.
>>49610591Aren't there a million AR500 vs armor piercing videos on youtube?
>>49610864...you're kidding right? M855 is dogshit and slow, especially out of a 16" barrel. Of course it won't do much to steel. But the volume of all that bullet has go go somewhere, and that somewhere is likely your arm or neck.
>>49610566Yeah but 556 still canI DON'T WANT TO POOP IN THE BAGGIVE ME CERAMIC ABDOMINAL PLATE
>>49611015Yeah, a million videos of it getting perforated by basic bitch TulAmmo 5.56mm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsF7VmyXtNohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWk3KducJNIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfcJ1RtnDOgAnd more.Those poc-loving faggots at AR500 actually posted a video "against M2AP" where the round was so down-loaded that the rifle didn't even cycle properly. Steel armor is shit, and "AR500 Armor" is the fakest and gayest shit there is.
>>49610863Man, this plate performed so poorly...
>>49611104I can't find the actual plate so have this instead. Neck plates.
>>49611104Many side plates can be inserted into abdominal sacks, and ceramic side plates are easily found.Just find a dangler that fits them and you’re good
>>49595855>hey my fellow gun enthusiasts, what kind of armor do you guys have? Post pics please loloh im laughing at all the retards who just told the glowniggers what you got
>>49611166I don’t see it as superior overall to the 4401 which is cheaper too.
>>49611188>he doesn't have anythingnoplates status: absolutly bucked.
i have level 4 front and back plates
>>49611211You save a bit of weight, but you lose A LOT of performance. I think that the L210 s the worse plate.
>>49611104Just get a bigger plate fatty.
im looking at an abdomen panel and it doesnt list a size of plate it accepts, it just says it has a pocket for a plate. is there a standard ab plate size?
>>49611054https://rifleshooter.com/2015/12/223-remington-5-56mm-nato-barrel-length-and-velocity-26-inches-to-6-inches/> 2992 FPS is "dogshit and slow" out of a 16.5" barrelTo my knowledge no one has done a "percent probability of penetration" study using AR500, and varying load velocities from 2600-3200 FPS. It really doesn't seem to handle 3000 FPS+ 5.56 ball ammo well>>49611104Get side plates and put them in an abdominal pouch? It's gonna be heavy but will keep your pooper intact. Maybe. What's the plan if you get shot in the face lol?>>49611188Glowies have worse gear than most anons here lol. If you have Hesco 4401/ RMA 1155's you've got basic contractor / LEO tier plates. I'd like to get balcs inserts for my PC to back the Level IV plates, and replace the OEM foam.
>>49611262you realize that if you get put on the potentially violent list, they glowniggers will just wait for you to leave the house and then take your shit and then pull you over guns drawn, right? If you dont, youll just get no knock raided at 4 am. You are not anonymous here, you have been warned
>>49611289>You are not anonymous here>projecting this hard
>>496112586x6 danglers are the closest you'll get to standard. Groin and ab plates are rare enough their pouches are sold by the same company.
>>49611188There’s almost always a body armor thread, dumbass. Nothing here glows
>>49611316again, the glowniggers track farmers who own radios and send in teir one operators to execute them in bumfuckistan. This is just a gentle warning about what you choose to post here and online in general when all of it is permanently stored forever in maryland
>>49611262> To my knowledge no one has done a "percent probability of penetration" study using AR500, and varying load velocities from 2600-3200 FPS. It really doesn't seem to handle 3000 FPS+ 5.56 ball ammo wellI've seen some explanation of this here: https://diamondage.org/2020/08/24/solving-a-mystery-why-is-m193-better-at-penetrating-steel-armor-plate-than-m855/Apparently M193 doesn't need to travel as fast. It can penetrate steel plates at lower velocities, because it doesn't have a steel "penetrator" that mushrooms or deforms upon impact.
>>49611327this thread glows harder than chernobyl bud
>>49611334>he's going for the chilling effectThat's great mr glownigger. I hope you waste a lot of time reviewing my stuff.
>>49611358Oh shut up, faggot. Go back to R*ddit.
How many people would be interested in buying new production 10x12 LIBA plates for around 1200 euro per? Or potentially 650 euro per If I buy enough of them.
>>49610253Doesn't exist for the civvie market. The only abdominal plate you can buy as a disgusting dirty piece of shit civilian is, strangely enough, made by fucking AR500 of all people and its steel garbage.
>>49611368Crotchless tactical assault pants for MAXIMUM RAPENeed me summa those.
>>49611171You literally cannot buy that unless you are the acquisitions officer for an LE/MIL/.GOV department.
>>49595883I love shitting on steel body armor morons on Facebook
>>49606590How about ceramic pucks sitting on UHMWPE >>49611458
>>49611353M193 has different impact characteristics, for sure. I'd really like to model this but software packages are stupid expensive, and no pirated copies are out there. Making my own models in python is doable but stupidly annoying ,and I have enough projects right now lol.> Mfw would like to confirm something written in a paper 100+ years ago but cant get the damn software
>>49611054Alright whatever dude Im just saying normal store bought 556 out of a poverty pony ar didn't
>>49611682You could ask dejmian xyz on youtube, he does ANSYS projectile simulations and will take requests.
Thoughts on UARM UHMWPE level 3+ plates?
>>49611721Make sure its rated for m855 at least. Otherwise you are gonna run into the reverse of the problem with most steel armors.
>>49595946There was still some fag from the non steel plate. You see it on the watermelon and then it disappears. It's not nearly as much but still sus as fuck.
Ar500 vests aren't bad, the plates on the other hand are awful QC and aren't NIJ certified, everything on their site has a long lead time, even basic shit like pouches are 2-6 week lead, they try to reinvent the wheel with things like tourniquet and pistol pouches but flop on their faces. Mabye get a carrier if you're really on the poverty pony but definitely not plates and pouches
>>49611489not trueCrye Precision makes an abdominal 3A pouch that can carry a 6x6 plate
>>49611930That's not an abdomen specific plate, that is a pouch you can wear over your abdomen that fits a 6x6 side plate. That AR500 9.5x6 plate was actually designed to be used as abdominal armor.
>>49595883Level III+ steel plate inside of spallproof liner is indestructible to anything less than multiple (7 or more) shots from a .30-06 AP black tip and will not have spall shrapneling, also the whole setup for front and back costs like $250. Not a bad deal really.
>>49611988>will not spallDoubt.
>>49611988kek.>>49611742sus>>49611489this is absolute garbage
>>49611682Just get a high seas version of ANSYS, it's not hard.t. I have a rip of Ansys 2020 R1>>49611988And it's also as heavy or heavier than a cheaper entry level ceramic IV plate. And pall liners rarely do shit past the first shot. I've seen it with my own two eyes when I tested AR500 brand plates with their "spall coating"
>>49595855Steel badCeramic goodWarrior recon plate carrier good
isn't steel better at protecting your ribs from a bullet?
>>49612496No, because the most common rifle threat in the USA keeps poking holes in it. Steel body armor is completely unreliable, and not worth the weight it adds to your kit. Literally worse than nothing.
>>49607468This. Its just like... Instead of making cars we are making robot horses.
>>49608383This is solid, 7 or 8/ 10 bait. Very nice.
>>49611576I know dragonskin was no good but what is the word on that hexar stuff?
>>49611977Not him but come on bro.
>>49611188unless you pay cash for everything and don't have it shipped, they already know what you have.Waste of dubs.
>>49612919Thats not hexar.>>49612927Don't "come on bro" me, a 6x6 plate is not gonna protect your guts completely unless you are a women wearing a corset.
>>49595855Looking for suggestions onplate carrierscombat knife (just generally a good long fixed blade)war beltMy plates are RMA 1155's, also have some old no name steel plates and carrier from a shady guy at gun show about 10 years ago.
>>49615236>plate carrierJPC 2.0>beltAWS SMU>knifeanything kabar
>>496119887 hits of 30-06...Is there a firing squad of boomers trying to execute you or did you get in front of a fucking BAR? Either way you got bigger issues than steel vs ceramic lol
Should I get these plates? $100 each, so $20 less than MSRP.
>>49616848No. Chinesium with a cheat ring.Just get an 1155 or 4400/4401> Fuck shills. > Fuck LAPG. > Fuck (((botach))). > Fuck (((Leviathan Tribe))).
Which batch of ceradyne 275's were the fucked ones? Can you tell which are likely to have potentially delaminated by serial number or lot number?
>>49617413You can run a tap test. At this point, though, they're such old plates that they're hard to recommend.
how important is the NIJ cert? does it really matter that much when buying from a big / reputable company's like Hesco who have good QC?
>>49595855>all these replies>nobody talking about the best bodyarmorNGMI you nerds
Got a good one for you boys today.People didn't believe me when I said that cheap Level IV plates were made of alumina over fiberglass. (Literally technology from 1955. Not even joking.) Well, feast your eyes on this, from the eternal lolcows and grifters at AR500: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTUlC90JZlgThat's clearly alumina over fiberglass. There's no UHMWPE there. For a plate that costs about $20 in materials, there you go. So pathetic. I'll take Chinesium over this crap, any day.
>>49619736NIJ is literally just a stamp to "certify" the plate for legal purposes and it lets you know they 100% did the testing and it meets the requirements stated on the product description.Most plates aren't truly NIJ certified because it would cost a fuck ton to certify every single one.The NIJ ones will obviously cost more because they have the certification but a lot of good plates aren't NIJ certified (many of the RMA plates and LA Police Gear, etc.)HESCO just because it is certified doesn't mean it is BETTER persay, you just need to read the actual threats it protects against. (i.e. L210s protect up to 3150 fps 5.56 multi-hit, HOWEVER from a 20''+ barrel M193 will zip right through, also M855A1s unless you have a soft IIIA backer)
>>49619793Not even all Hescos are certified. Their flagship/halo plate, the 4800, isn't certified. It would cost too much to certify it. Also, their "special threat" plates like the L210 don't really fit in to the certification paradigm, so are uncertified.
>>49619809I didn't say they were, they were to prove the point that the brand doesn't matter, it is the quality of the plates. the 4800s are great plates though, like I said....Your point?
>>49619826Just agreeing with you, fren. Pic unrelated.
>>49619776Chinese SiC tile array plates with UHMWPE backers for less than 100 per plate. What the fuck are American manufacturers doing? I bet they bought those Alumina strike faces from the Chinese too.
>>49620022It's insane. Alumina over fiberglass was considered halfway obsolete even in Vietnam. They're literally using the cheapest materials possible. It's a shit plate at any price, but an especially shit plate at nearly $200. I have no idea what they're thinking.
>>49619921What’s Grey got to do with it?
>>49620612Just wear M81 or DPM, jeez...
Well-timed new video from Buffman:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhsGaYzgC1MThis is proof that the 1155 also has a fiberglass backer.I think that AR500 -- who used to re-sell RMA plates -- reverse-engineered the 1155. Sleazy, but what else is new?
>>49622897As for fiberglass backers: The anon who doubted me last time this subject came up owes me an apology.
Someone link me some functional chinkshit level 3+ plates
>>49622923https://mili-tech.com/collections/rf2-armor/products/militech%C2%AE-nij-iii-0101-06-rf2-0101-07-sapi-sized-ballistic-panels-pair-set?variant=37012548223132Less than $100 per plate. It's not going to be great, but I'd take it over AR500, and -- though this is situational -- it may be preferable to heavy Level IV plates like the 1155/4401 in certain circumstances.
>>49622923Seriously, though, you'd probably be better off with a 4401.
anybody have any insight on how much blunt force trauma a wearer will likely experience with a 12ga slug? assuming plates of course.
>>49624028Maybe a small bruise
>>49622897Interesting that it didn't stop M995.
Can someone ELI5 shear amorphization in boron carbide strike faces when hit with tungsten carbide core AP ammo.
>>49595855>poly/ceramic hybridsThey are incredibly effective and some are quite cheap. Anybody considering poorfag steel should get some chink-tier poly-ceramics instead.>favourite plate carriersFirst Spear Strandhogg.
>>49595855Hesco 3810 because who the fuck is going to shoot you with black tip 30-06
>>49627248Ceramic dissipates energy by cracking. Hard, big dicked bullet cores might stay together long enough to push through before their energy finishes dissipating. So crack rate differences between ceramic types are key.
>>49627554So B4C doesn't crack fast enough to stop WC cores?
>>49627413You might not get shot with 30.06 M2AP. Bbut you just might get shot with 7.62 M993.
>>49610819>faster, cheaper, better>pick twoIt's all so tiresome.
>>49622996mili-tech seems chinese or indian, whoever wrote that listing can't speak english for shitif AR-500 is trash, who sells good armor?
>>49611988For just a little bit more you can get a front and back set of level IV ceramic. Steel made sense when ceramic was so much more expensive but now the costs have changed and steel no longer makes sense imo.
>>49611988if you're being shot that many times, you're doing something wrong.
>>49616905>i dont know what im talking about but i saw this collag telling me the people i already hate are part of some zog cabal so i must believe it.
>>49628821>He's not planning to survive a burst of .30-06 black tips from an M1919 machine gun nest manned by boomers in a tree stand during the boogerpoopNGMI my dude
>>49628569Hesco, RMA, LTC/HopliteHighcom, to a lesser extent. (Same specs as RMA/Hesco, and perhaps even slightly worse, but much more expensive.) Even Militech, which is Chinese, is way better than AR500, which is pure dogshit and literally worse than wearing no armor at all.
>>49619921Man all my shit is black tactical because its made for urban warfare and Night OPs ): pls don't shoot me fren
>>49629339is good body armor over an inch thick? damn
Just copped some 7x12 mini ipsc ar500 targets for plinkingcannot imagine strapping on of those to your chest and wearing it
>>49611334>some ZOGbot is going to be chained to a desk reading 4chan shitposts for the rest of his pathetic life Imshallah brothers, we are winning
>>49624028Exactly as much trauma as someone’s shoulder experienced firing the 12g slug at you. Do they not teach physics in school anymore?
How bad are LA Police Gear plates? They’re cheap as fuck.
I have 2 military side ESAPIs that I want to use. What is a good cumerbund that will allow me to use them? All I can find is shit for 6x6
>>49611334thats not how they usually find them. Its usually by cell phone or a rat. One of my friends broke his wrist jumping a wadi and was sent to be the bitch for 2 cia guys and from what he told me cell phones were how they found all the HVTs. Another awesome thing I found out was that they basically had all the HVTs in the province and just didnt want to kill them for some reason. You arent going to pick up anyone useful on radio. nor is the FBI going to waste time with it. It was cool using the wolfhound and listening to dudes set up an ambush for us though.
>>49630309Generally, yeah. The thinnest good plates are around 0.7" -- the average is about 1.05" -- and some are 1.2" or more.A lot of the thickness is for anti-BFD foam and strike-face protection foam.
>>49631556Relax my dude, it was a joke.Pic somewhat related.
>>49595855Just a quick question for you anons. My buddy and I were doing some serious damage to a hardened steel target with .220 Swift handloads. Do you guys think that any of those super high velocity rounds like the Swift or .22-250 could defeat a Level IV ceramic plate? Hypothetically, of course.
>>49611988AP .30-06 will go straight through any III+ plate. That's the round that NIJ Level IV is designed to stop.
>>49632690thems a bit light, .243 would shitmix a plate
>>49632832Well, shit. What would be the most commonly obtainable round that could wreck that thing? I'd assume that the big boys like .338 Lapua would be overkill.
>>496198094800s have the NIJ stamp, unless hesco is a fly by night chinesium company I think it's a legit marking.
>>49632835None.Just shoot more, plates are tiny, get bullet around it.
>>49632853Not on the list right now. Apparently, it never was. (The 4400, which has been delisted, is marked "inactive" but hasn't been removed.) Pic related, yeah.
>>49632835Level IV armor is tough to beat with off-the-shelf ammo. Just aim for the groin/belt buckle.M995 beats some Level IV plates, but it's tough to get. Hand-load it HOT into a .220 swift or .22-250, and you'll reliably fuck up Level IV armor.
>>49632916>>49632989I'm more interested in the actual physics of it rather than the self-defense potential. I wish we could load M995-type projectiles into a 250 case, but that would probably piss off the glowies. It's a legal grey area as far as I know.
>>49633015If you want physics then you want highest sectional density vs ceramic armor. Speed is not good vs ceramics as it works by damaging projectile tip, more speed more damage, and there is no things that harder than ceramic.Tungsten heavy alloy rod put into drilled from the tip solid copper bullet.Don't mistake tungsten alloy with tungsten carbide latter is good vs steel cos it's harder but vs ceramic you want tugsten heavy alloy because it's more dense.
>>49616905>404 Paul not found Whew
https://www.ebay.com/itm/144073826575?hash=item218b78210f:g:wJEAAOSwsu9gxV2a&autorefresh=true Anybody have info on an "ESAPI GEN III S"? I assume (if its real) it is in pursuit of a lighter plate keeping to the ESAPI standard, but there is about shit-all out there on these or any ESAPI Gen III plates. I figured the /bag/ team would take the case. I made an offer anyway, if nobody has info on them and I win, I will sacrifice one on the altar of knowledge
>>49633476One of the only times I'm happy to not see Paul Harrell.
Someone talk me out of it. I have stimmy moneys and want a helmet.
>>49634711Buy an ECH instead, more stimmy spent, but a vastly more capable bucket. Like, "will stop 7.62x39 instead of gay pistol rounds" capable. I think helmets are great man, but for only a little more, you can effectively cap out that protection category. To get a beefier-than-ECH helmet, youd have to pony up like 3 grand for that Ops Core T B H R-2, whenver that comes out.
anyone know what rig paul is using in this video? or something similar?
>>49633476I honestly think that's why Paul's SS197SR ammo was able to go through a IIIA vest. All these guys doing "5.7 vs Kevlar" videos are getting sent the top of the line stuff hand-picked by body armor companies to look good, whereas Paul just went and bought a IIIA vest and shot it.
>>49634743Fuck yeah thanks anon. I just bought an ECH for only $50 more than the used ACH with new straps and pads was going to cost. Now all I gotta do is find a M81 Woodland cover for it and we'll be max larp.
>>49634892I believe that's just an old school ALICE rig
How about the British DPM plate carriers?
>>49634915look about right, thanks. I just can't find any sites that have it and pouches plus whatever else
>>49634743Get an ECH and get that ceramic up-armor kit from HHV and you'll have a legit Level III+ helmet that can stop M855A1 and other militarily relevant small arms threats.
>>49601240>>49598145You're goddamn right we do. Hi :)
>>49632167Those don't work as well as the real thing.
How are the RMA 1092s? III+ ceramics.
>>49616848better than nothing but there are superior options. Go to your local army/navy first and see if you can find surplus ESAPIs
>>49640137Not great, but not terrible. Okay as an entry-level RF2 plate.
>>49634919>>49634933>>49636641Those carriers are rock solid, and in fact they were famous in Iraq for the beatings and abuse they could take. But there's a problem: They don't take regular SAPI-size plates. The Osprey plates are far larger. Pic related.If you can find Osprey plates in the right size, that carrier is probably one of the best you could ever buy. If not, it might be money wasted. At least, if you plan on using it as armor. At $62, though, it's probably worth buying in any case, as a piece of GWOT militaria.
>>49638629Where do I get the real thing?
>>49635007It's an lbv-88 the later model with mesh fabric and slanted mag pouches. $20 on fleabay
>>49624028Depends almost entirely on hit geometry. Assuming fair hit: If its near the edge, the backface deformation and impulse could cause a similar wound as getting a hard small surface strike from a martial artist. Which means it depends on whatever protection you have underneath the plate, and where exactly you got hit. A gut punch or a collarbone chop are the comparison. For a center hit, both slugs and rifle rounds can crack plates, and the impulse alone will injure. Cracked ribs, broken sternums. Like a expertly done front punch, it will put you on the ground minimum. Other less likely but possible injuries include pneumothorax, hernia, heart failure, assorted internal bleeding, compartment syndrome.Casualty statistics from Iraq/Afghanistan War and leaked FBI guidance on SWAT raids indicate that center mass fair hits 12g slug or full power rifle (30-06, 7.62*54R) into plate guarantees the officer is a casualty. They cannot operate. Survival rate once evacuated is 95%+ but will be out of action for weeks or until the chest bones heal. They dont make body armor good enough to make you an unstoppable robocop tank. They do it for repetitive replacements, insurance and medical billing, much more profitable.
>>49612907It's really not though
>>49641493>>49642499How good are Rev D ESAPIs? They're asking $400 for the pair.
I have level 2 soft armor in an oldschool molle vest that a retired LEO gave to me when cleaning out his garage. It has front and back. Should I keep that in there when I put the ceramics? As like a backing?Could I potentially use this as a backup vest or a buddy vest?Is it just useless crap?
>>49645542That's a good price. They're better than the popular civilian plates like the 4400, but, because they require a soft armor backer, they're not quite as good as high-end civvie plates like the 4800. $200/plate is a good deal. They'd still be a good deal at $400/plate.
>>49647129Cool, I'll snap it up.
>>49646882Should be fine as a backup/buddy vest. Will stop just about all handgun rounds, buckshot, and most frag. Just tell your buddy to take cover if you expect rifle fire. (Which is good advice in any case.) Level II armor is, in fact, the only armor that light infantry should wear. Plates are generally too heavy for the amount of coverage/protection they offer.
Hey frens, I’ve been debating on buying the Airlite SPC carrier as my first one. Would you guys recommend it? I’m new to body armor and while I do have a basic idea of what to look for (which I feel the SPC has for me), I just want to get other opinions on it. Not too sure if it matters, but the rifle Im also going to purchase is a Ruger 10/22. Thanks :)
>>49649053It lacks a lot of functionality. (No pouches, no provision for side plates, no padding, no drag handle, etc.)It's quite good as a carrier that you can wear either overtly or covertly.It's not equivalent to a full-featured plate carrier, though.
Best PC for someone that isn't a gq larper and just wants to be able to wear their plates?t. guy with plates and no carrier
>>49650396Tasmanian Tiger "TT Plate Carrier LC"Solid construction, a solid featureset, and comfortable, at a relatively low price.
Is the cheap VISM soft IIIA ok for general pistol caliber bullshit? Like 9mm and .40 FMJ bulk pack ghetto loads at 10 yards? I can get some for like 150 plus carrier.
>>49651822VISM is made by NCSTAR.
>>49648752Really appreciate it anon. i didn't know if it was like super dated gear and I'm going to get laughed at for even trotting it out. The black molle vest is certainly a little dated, but hey, it was FREE!
>>49651383hey thats me!
>>49652078I know, is that bad? I haven't kept up on armor threads; I just want cheap shit I can easily afford to lose/replace but will still stop ordinary ghetto thug pocket carry FMJ.
>>49653113NCSTAR makes the most chinesium garbage of all the chinesium garbage sold in the US.
>>49653113Get a soft armor panel from Stealth Armor Systems. They sell basic all-aramid panels that will do what you need them to do, and they should be quite cheap.Or you could search "BALCS" on eBay. Old Army surplus soft armor panels turn up all the time. (Though getting a covert BALCS soft armor carrier, in good condition, can be a challenge.)