What's the point of having an armed coast guard and a navy? Why not just merge them into one single organization?
>>48905241Read a book and you'll know the answer.
>>48905263Books are for nerds
>>48907504My dad wrote that book
>>48907518>dadhe's not your real dad. sonny boy.
>>48905241Same reason why the Border Patrol and the Army isn't the same thing. They don't serve the same purpose.
I wanna join the CG.
>>48905241then the political class would have to send their children to war with the rest of the dregs
>>48905241The Coast guard fulfills many roles the military legally cannot due to falling under the department of homeland security rather than the navy/DoD
>>48905241>What's the point of having an armed coast guard and a navy? Why not just merge them into one single organization?Navy bullies anti-globohomo, antisemite, pro-white foreigners and Coast Guard lets brown & black people into the country.
Can't use the military to enforce the law.
>>48907591well...not usually but there are times
>>48907591have you ever heard of something called martial law son?
>>48907586Spot on. Also the coast guard steals people’s drugs and shoots whales>who else is gunna shoot the fuckin whales?
>>48907591But... the CG is a military branch...
>>48905241Because the Coast Guard is for actually defending America and protecting citizens.The navy is for jewish scheming
then the coast guard would be full of a bunch of faggots and chubby negresses.
>>48907582This, the CG has domestic law enforcement capabilities, the Navy explicitly cannot do that under normal circumstances.
>>48907995Coast Guard is military in culture, but fills civilian functions in peacetime. They're under DHS like other federal law enforcement agencies except in time of war, when their role shifts from law enforcement to naval protection, so they are placed under DoD.
This is a political thread. Clean it up janny
>>48905241>What's the point of having an armed coast guard and a navy? Why not just merge them into one single organization?Oh anon, how can you play world-imperialist if you don't have a coast guard to actually protect your waters?>>48907591>Can't use the military to enforce the law.According to Liberals (Classical definition not the Mutt one, that is). Before that, Kingdoms, Empires, and city-states had no such qualms.
>>48908784It seems like America is very unique in that regard. Most countries just leave coastal interdiction to their navy and the coast guard is more about maritime infrastructure maintenance, scientific expeditions, and search and rescue.
>>48909603Americans love big government bloat. The more agencies they have, the better. With just a quick glance at their scope you can already eliminate half of them as redundant.
>>48907504What's a size wise?
Can a janny delete this thread? It should not be moved to /pol/ as Americans no longer have the right to vote and therefore should not be allowed to discuss politics since they can not take part in it.
>>48908784That depends on the laws of any country. For example, Denmark, Lithuania and Latvia have relegated their maritime policing and patrol to their navies, but Finland keeps both land and maritime border guards separate from the military in name, though they are factually very close and part of the same system. These are just the ones I know, I'm there much more variance around the world.In the case of the US it is obvious that the Navy focuses on being a global navy while the Coast Guard is a local navy. Navy's vessels can be used for Coast Guard operations, though they need to have a civillian detatchment on board. Maritime law isn't as strict due to the inherently different nature of the evironment.
>>48909783USCG and navy were both founded in the 1790s.
>>48909783And a further 90% as unconstitutional
>>48910064I 2nd this. (No pun intended)
>>48909603The US's adherence to not giving posse comitatus to the military is pretty unique- most Euro countries use their own military for a lot of domestic stuff, as >>48910069 points out, but in the US all of that is forbade by law and has been since 1878
If you want to see a clusterfuck of navies, do check you the german solution. Only based part is how they have always had their maritime rescue organised by volunteers.
>>48910206>If you want to see a clusterfuck of navies, do check you the german solution.I might go as far as to call it the final solution
>>48908673A strong blue-water navy is 100% necessary to defend ourselves, you fucking retard. Our geography and history make it clear that the only branch we can truly not do without is the fucking navy. God you are stupid.
>>48905241Posse comitatus>>48909603The USA is too damn large to do drug/human trafficking interdiction, rescues, ect., on top of military concerns, even if they wanted to
>>48905241Because US policy says the military cannot be used stateside. Thats why border security has to be conducted by the DHS.
>>48907578so thats why we only use ribbons
>>48910759no, its more like the CIA controls the drug trade (literally, its not some wacky conspiracy)
>>48907504Does it have illustrations? Otherwise Im not interested
>>48910073Partially correct anon. the Coast Guard had officially become a thing in 1915 when the Revenue Cutter Service had merged with the U.S. Life Saving Service. The Revenue Marine began life in 1790 while the Life Saving Service began in 1848
>>48907582The CG has existed since long, long before the creation of the Department of House Slaves (DHS).
>>48905241Coast guard is more of a state side water rescue / law enforcement branch whereas the navy is a gay version of the other branches of the military, except with boats.
>>48909783The FED owns America. Here is how it works:>FED creates currency out of thin air>FED loans currency to US Government at interest>US Governments or otherwise distributes the money (on want is not important, thus these agencies. What is important is that it gets spent.)>US Government taxes its citizens to repay debt and interest.This cycle will continue, and the US national debt will grow, until (tax revenue) = (interest payments on the national debt).
>>48911125>>US Governments or otherwise distributes*spends or otherwise distributes
>>48907711Bitch ass whales need taken down a peg
>>48905241Navy: > Primary purpose is to give Lieutenants an opportunity to LARP as Tom Cruise in Top Gun> Also has an entire fleet of submarine autists with poor posture and atrophied muscles> Feared by commercial marinersCoast guard:> Possess a formidable array of weapons for self-defense purposes > Educates the public about proper seamanship> Performs maintenance on critical maritime infrastructure > Commercial mariners are grateful for their service > Useful during emergencies
>>48911137Coast guard is pretty based ngl and I’m a libertarian
I've never met a coastie who wasn't a bang up sailor or cool dude.
>>48911074But the coast guard isn't newer than Posse Comitatus, which was in 1878.
>>48911145wtf I hate the coast guard now
>>48905241They fall under entirely different departments of federal government. The Coast Guard was once an apparatus of the Treasury, and is now part of the Department of Homeland Security. It has an entirely different mission than the Navy, so it doesn't make sense to merge the two organizations.
>>48907569US Army had a row of forts on Mexican Border, back when US Govt was legit."mah border never been militarized before" is just another lie told to stupid people by dishonest people.WTF else should the US Army be? Not only does Mexico have ongoing paramilitary Cartel action, but since the Govt is comically weak and corrupt it could fall any day without warning and maybe new Govt suddenly friends with unfriendly Govt that suddenly creates real threat on border. Probably not for reasons but WTF else should US Army be?More likely ongoing low intensity revolution/corruption will spill into USA in a meaningful way. Take out US Navy base at San Diego with shit heating up with China in Pacific, and Cartels officially take control of LA Govt leading current mayor, sheriff and chief of LAPD around at some nervous press conferences telling everyone the water and power will remain on.
>>48910736By defend ourselves I think you mean defend our trade routes for oil and Chinese plastic toys.
>>48910736>>48911518Well yes. But it is also a bit more complicated than that.https://youtu.be/nEe8JX0YKBE
>>48911518Trade routes aren't important in your worldview, got it. I'll just go tell everyone in human history that they were wrong and let them know.>oilWe have a shitton of oil here, but if we didn't, do you by chance drive a car? That car needs oil. Do you honestly believe it isn't within the vital interests of the U.S. to be able to trade across the ocean safely?>>48912843It's no use. Libertarians are incapable of understanding geopolitics.