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What's the point of having an armed coast guard and a navy? Why not just merge them into one single organization?
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>>48905241
Read a book and you'll know the answer.
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>>48905263
What book
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>>48905263
Books are for nerds
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>>48905322
this one
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>>48907504
My dad wrote that book
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>>48907518
congratulations
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>>48907518
>dad
he's not your real dad. sonny boy.
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>>48905241
Same reason why the Border Patrol and the Army isn't the same thing. They don't serve the same purpose.
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I wanna join the CG.
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>>48905241
then the political class would have to send their children to war with the rest of the dregs
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>>48905241
The Coast guard fulfills many roles the military legally cannot due to falling under the department of homeland security rather than the navy/DoD
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>>48905241
>What's the point of having an armed coast guard and a navy? Why not just merge them into one single organization?
Navy bullies anti-globohomo, antisemite, pro-white foreigners and Coast Guard lets brown & black people into the country.
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Can't use the military to enforce the law.
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>>48907591
well...not usually but there are times
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>>48907591
have you ever heard of something called martial law son?
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>>48907586
Spot on. Also the coast guard steals people’s drugs and shoots whales
>who else is gunna shoot the fuckin whales?
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>>48907591
But... the CG is a military branch...
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>>48905241
Because the Coast Guard is for actually defending America and protecting citizens.
The navy is for jewish scheming
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then the coast guard would be full of a bunch of faggots and chubby negresses.
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>>48907582
This, the CG has domestic law enforcement capabilities, the Navy explicitly cannot do that under normal circumstances.
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>>48907995
Coast Guard is military in culture, but fills civilian functions in peacetime. They're under DHS like other federal law enforcement agencies except in time of war, when their role shifts from law enforcement to naval protection, so they are placed under DoD.
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This is a political thread. Clean it up janny
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>>48905241
>What's the point of having an armed coast guard and a navy? Why not just merge them into one single organization?

Oh anon, how can you play world-imperialist if you don't have a coast guard to actually protect your waters?

>>48907591
>Can't use the military to enforce the law.

According to Liberals (Classical definition not the Mutt one, that is). Before that, Kingdoms, Empires, and city-states had no such qualms.
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>>48908784
It seems like America is very unique in that regard. Most countries just leave coastal interdiction to their navy and the coast guard is more about maritime infrastructure maintenance, scientific expeditions, and search and rescue.
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>>48907591
Why?
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>>48909603
Americans love big government bloat. The more agencies they have, the better. With just a quick glance at their scope you can already eliminate half of them as redundant.
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>>48907504
What's a size wise?
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Can a janny delete this thread? It should not be moved to /pol/ as Americans no longer have the right to vote and therefore should not be allowed to discuss politics since they can not take part in it.
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>>48908784
That depends on the laws of any country. For example, Denmark, Lithuania and Latvia have relegated their maritime policing and patrol to their navies, but Finland keeps both land and maritime border guards separate from the military in name, though they are factually very close and part of the same system. These are just the ones I know, I'm there much more variance around the world.

In the case of the US it is obvious that the Navy focuses on being a global navy while the Coast Guard is a local navy. Navy's vessels can be used for Coast Guard operations, though they need to have a civillian detatchment on board. Maritime law isn't as strict due to the inherently different nature of the evironment.
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>>48909783
USCG and navy were both founded in the 1790s.
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>>48909783
And a further 90% as unconstitutional
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>>48910064
kek
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>>48910064
I 2nd this. (No pun intended)
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>>48909603
The US's adherence to not giving posse comitatus to the military is pretty unique- most Euro countries use their own military for a lot of domestic stuff, as >>48910069 points out, but in the US all of that is forbade by law and has been since 1878
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If you want to see a clusterfuck of navies, do check you the german solution. Only based part is how they have always had their maritime rescue organised by volunteers.
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>>48910206
>If you want to see a clusterfuck of navies, do check you the german solution.
I might go as far as to call it the final solution
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>>48908673
A strong blue-water navy is 100% necessary to defend ourselves, you fucking retard. Our geography and history make it clear that the only branch we can truly not do without is the fucking navy. God you are stupid.
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>>48905241
Posse comitatus

>>48909603
The USA is too damn large to do drug/human trafficking interdiction, rescues, ect., on top of military concerns, even if they wanted to
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>>48905241
Because US policy says the military cannot be used stateside. Thats why border security has to be conducted by the DHS.
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>>48907578
so thats why we only use ribbons
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>>48910759
no, its more like the CIA controls the drug trade (literally, its not some wacky conspiracy)
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>>48907504
Does it have illustrations? Otherwise Im not interested
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>>48910073
Partially correct anon. the Coast Guard had officially become a thing in 1915 when the Revenue Cutter Service had merged with the U.S. Life Saving Service. The Revenue Marine began life in 1790 while the Life Saving Service began in 1848
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>>48907582
The CG has existed since long, long before the creation of the Department of House Slaves (DHS).
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>>48905241
Coast guard is more of a state side water rescue / law enforcement branch whereas the navy is a gay version of the other branches of the military, except with boats.
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>>48909783
The FED owns America. Here is how it works:
>FED creates currency out of thin air
>FED loans currency to US Government at interest
>US Governments or otherwise distributes the money (on want is not important, thus these agencies. What is important is that it gets spent.)
>US Government taxes its citizens to repay debt and interest.

This cycle will continue, and the US national debt will grow, until (tax revenue) = (interest payments on the national debt).
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>>48911125
>>US Governments or otherwise distributes
*spends or otherwise distributes
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>>48907711
Bitch ass whales need taken down a peg
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>>48905241

Navy:
> Primary purpose is to give Lieutenants an opportunity to LARP as Tom Cruise in Top Gun
> Also has an entire fleet of submarine autists with poor posture and atrophied muscles
> Feared by commercial mariners

Coast guard:
> Possess a formidable array of weapons for self-defense purposes
> Educates the public about proper seamanship
> Performs maintenance on critical maritime infrastructure
> Commercial mariners are grateful for their service
> Useful during emergencies
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>>48911137
Coast guard is pretty based ngl and I’m a libertarian
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I've never met a coastie who wasn't a bang up sailor or cool dude.
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>>48911074
But the coast guard isn't newer than Posse Comitatus, which was in 1878.
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>>48911145
wtf I hate the coast guard now
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>>48905241

They fall under entirely different departments of federal government. The Coast Guard was once an apparatus of the Treasury, and is now part of the Department of Homeland Security. It has an entirely different mission than the Navy, so it doesn't make sense to merge the two organizations.
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>>48907569
US Army had a row of forts on Mexican Border, back when US Govt was legit.

"mah border never been militarized before" is just another lie told to stupid people by dishonest people.

WTF else should the US Army be? Not only does Mexico have ongoing paramilitary Cartel action, but since the Govt is comically weak and corrupt it could fall any day without warning and maybe new Govt suddenly friends with unfriendly Govt that suddenly creates real threat on border. Probably not for reasons but WTF else should US Army be?

More likely ongoing low intensity revolution/corruption will spill into USA in a meaningful way. Take out US Navy base at San Diego with shit heating up with China in Pacific, and Cartels officially take control of LA Govt leading current mayor, sheriff and chief of LAPD around at some nervous press conferences telling everyone the water and power will remain on.
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>>48910736
By defend ourselves I think you mean defend our trade routes for oil and Chinese plastic toys.
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>>48910736
>>48911518

Well yes. But it is also a bit more complicated than that.
https://youtu.be/nEe8JX0YKBE
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>>48911518
Trade routes aren't important in your worldview, got it. I'll just go tell everyone in human history that they were wrong and let them know.
>oil
We have a shitton of oil here, but if we didn't, do you by chance drive a car? That car needs oil. Do you honestly believe it isn't within the vital interests of the U.S. to be able to trade across the ocean safely?
>>48912843
It's no use. Libertarians are incapable of understanding geopolitics.



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