The general for all things body armor. Discord: https://discord.gg/5exUaDxqukNIJ CPL: https://nij.ojp.gov/compliant-armor-body-armor-complies-nij-ballistic-resistance-standard-010106
The /bag/ LIBA Copypasta:What is LIBA?LIBA, or Light Improved Body Armor, is a body and vehicle armor technology first developed by Mofet Etzion of Israel in the late 1990s. It consists of a polyethylene plate with embedded ceramic pellets comprising the strike face layer. Each pellet is capable of withstanding one shot, enabling a LIBA plate with several dozen pellets to have extremely high multi-hit abilities compared to monolithic or even ceramic tile array equivalents.LIBA plates are currently manufactured by TenCate and Mofet Etzion, and are distributed by vendors such as Bison Vest, ARES Armour, MARS, Swedish Body Armour, SwissProtec, and formerly Protective Products International. Even twenty years ago, a Level III/IV dual-rated LIBA plate weighing no more than 7.5lb could withstand well over 15 hits of .30-06 M2AP standalone. For comparison, the NIJ Level IV requirement is just one hit of .30-06 M2AP.The highest-end LIBA plates of yesteryear were issued to units such as the GIGN and the Austrian Jagdkommandos. These were heavier-duty and could resist twenty hits of 7.62x51mm FFV WC, known in the US as 7.62x51mm M993 "Black Tip."In other words, yes, a LIBA plate from twenty years ago provided twenty hit XSAPI capability. A 10x12" plate of this rating weighed only 8lb with Silicon Carbide pellets, and 10lb with Aluminum Oxide pellets. SiC and B4C LIBA is designated LIBA-CX, while cheaper Alumina-pellet LIBA is designed LIBA-AL.LIBA plates are difficult to find, but nonetheless are easily identified by their pellet strike face. Mofet Etzion-manufactured LIBA has unexposed pellets, while TenCate LIBA does - and yes, LIBA plates are technically repairable in the field.
>>48875247Cowboy collars for plate carriers?
Here are some AR500 Alternatives, they are all comparably priced and can be sold directly to the consumer without LEO/Military Identification:Hesco 4401$240 TotalLevel IV, NIJ CertifiedShooter's Cut7.4lbs Per Plate0.83" ThickRMA 1155$270 TotalLevel IV, NIJ CertifiedSAPI Cut8.3lbs Per Plate1.00" ThickHoplite 26226$300 TotalLevel IV, NIJ CertifiedSwimmer Cut8.25lbs Per Plate0.73" ThickHesco L210$370 Total"Special Threat", Tested To NIJ StandardsShooter's Cut5.5lbs Per Plate0.59" ThickHoplite 26135 (Multi-Curve)$400 TotalLevel IV, NIJ CertifiedSwimmer Cut6.7lbs Per Plate0.73" Thick
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYDPSWxk3pVJR3S99GoTaXANeat channel for home made armor
>>48876542As discussed on the previous thread, there's nearly a 100% weight penalty, though.The very best Level IV plates weigh around 4.6-4.7 pounds. LIBA is nearly 8 to over 10 pounds, at the same size.Even though the technology is well-known, there's a reason no military uses LIBA body armor right now. Light weight beats extreme multi-hit performance every time.
>>48875247What plate carrier is joker wearing in the sneeder cut?
>>48881006It looks like an old First Spear carrier, much like the one in this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBAUMv3X1sUI don't think that the plate carrier you're looking for is in production right now. But the siege-R comes very close.
>>48881006>not wearing it correctlyHe really is a joke
>>48881735It doesn’t look like there are any plates in there, so it doesn’t matter.
How come level 4 Boron Carbide plates are weak to Tungsten Carbide penetrators whereas Alumina Oxide and Silicon Carbide plates aren't as weak to WC?
bros i just want some soft armor that's not made of styrofoam and chinesium, is that so much to ask for
>>48884164Stealth Armor SystemsFuck the bootlickers at Safariland and Hardwire.
Have Hoplite 26135s. Wanted ferro slickster but OOS. Crye JPC 1.0 arriving tomorrow. Mmm.
>>48885034The JPC is better than the slickster anyway. The slickster is a meme, a passing fad.
>>48875247Warrior Assault is a highly underrated gear manufacturer. Their low profile carrier is solid and comfortable. Price point is comparable to a crye and they actually stay in stock. Also unlike first spear they don’t ask you to fill out a long ass application first. I have Hoplite cermaic plates in mine.
>>48880176Excellent points. LIBA has historically only seen use with urban assault teams. Even the Jagdkommandos and GIGN preferred smaller plates for field work, and only fell back to the 15x16" M993-rated "Super LIBA" when the situation demanded it.>>48884110Amorphization. B4C fails under the higher load created by a tungsten penetrator. This only happens with some forms of B4C. The newer kinds developed by Ceradyne and TenCate are immune to it.Very rarely, you may encounter "boron-enriched" boron carbide. This is extremely high-end strike face material only used in Ceradyne's best plates.
>>48887153I thought Alumina Oxide and Silicon Carbide were considered the best materials for strikefaces, or am I wrong?
>>48887605Aluminum Oxide is cheap, affordable, and works reasonably well, but it's very heavy. Silicon Carbide is the best of the three standard ceramics for handling tungsten penetrators, hence why the XSAPI uses a SiC strike face, but B4C is the lightest and works the best for non-tungsten threats.The extremely high-end plates use strike face materials such as titanium carbide or boron-enriched boron carbide.
>>48875247am i bigged brained for wanting these?:https://www.ar500armor.com/ar-invictus.htmlhttps://www.ar500armor.com/level-4-alsc-body-armor.htmlhttps://www.ar500armor.com/kangaroo-mag-pouch.htmlhttps://www.ar500armor.com/protector-helmet.html
>>48888664More like fucking retarded, because AR500 is shit tier body armor.
>>48889098why do you think that? they avoid government testing, is that the worst thing you can say?
>>488891191. AR500 armor is the only manufacturer to ever undergo a CPSC recall. This is because their QC sucks, and they sold plates that are perforated by M80.https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2016/AR500-Armor-Recalls-Level-III-Body-Armor/2. There are more accounts of AR500 Armor's plates being penetrated by M80 ball.https://i2.yuki.la/a/a8/c1864afa2a3df517b5557be64857155fbda4ecc34cd8f6b0b0adf49a57781a8a.jpgAnother one: https://i.imgur.com/5avoMs9.jpghttps://twitter.com/Xaniken/status/13034176446248673313. Many if not most of AR500 Armor's YouTube tests are done by paid associates.https://www.avantlink.com/programs/15253/ar500-armor-affiliate-program4. Steel is reliably perforated by lead-core 5.56mm rounds from 16" barrels.Steel performs better against M855, but M855 is the much less common domestic threat. In fact, M193 and similar lead-cored 5.56mm rounds are THE MOST COMMON domestic threats.5. In head-to-head comparison videos, Chinese Mystery Steel from wish.com BTFO AR500 Armor's scrap alloy plate.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZZ0fha0x-w [Embed] [Embed]6. Frag from steel armor plates is a real problem. Even if your shit AR500 plate stops an incoming round, you might still end up dead via frag to neck.https://www.bitchute.com/video/5AqPvyb5Duo/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An6aM8zL-U8 [Embed] [Embed]7. They spend >$30,000/month in advertising. Certifying a plate costs way less than that. They're not certifying their plates not because they can't afford it, but because they don't want to do the QC that the NIJ makes manufacturers commit to.8. AR500 are fond of taking money and not shipping product. They've had dozens of BBB complaints just over the past few months.9. Their plate carriers are bad quality at Crye prices. Sometimes AR500 plate carriers are Condor-tier.10. Check their independent testing. Many of those tests are several years old and many of those plates are much heavier than advertised.Never buy AR500's stuff.
What's the difference between Aramid, Kevlar, and UHWMPE? Which one is best used as a backer for a Ceramic plate?
>>48889305ok you have convinced me. the recall is damning and i can't trust them for anything. i was going to get their new ceramic plates but they can't be trusted. i liked their aesthetic of ignoring government testing out of principal and being necessarily inoculated against evangelical progressivism because they believe in the competing religion of christianity but the recall is too damning and they can't be trusted >>48889583i've read studies and they concluded that there isn't a single case report of anyone dying from back face deformation in the military or otherwise, with any plate type. so they are bloatso do i get comparable level 4 hesco plates from trex arms and their slim carrier and the mag carrier attachment then? where can i get a comparable ballistic helmet?
>>48889305WATCH PLATELAND SEETHE AS LEVEL III STEEL STOPS 7 ROUNDS OF M2AP AT CLOSE RANGE (23:30)!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu4GH7FhrMgIF THAT VIDEO ISN’T ENOUGH, WATCH AR500 USE 3+ STEEL AND 3A HYBRID SOFT ARMOR STOP M2AP BLACKTIPhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rzmwnU-LdAM>Buh buh, AR500 has spalling!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DpcAJHsNMWQTHEN GET A SPALLING COATING AND USE THEIR PLATE CARRIER! >B-But, ceramic never spalls!Wrong again!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ1gJoaA9tI>That’s a higher caliber than they did in the first test!Get debunked!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RyJYAPA7W1E>The plates they use are heavier weigh different amounts!Technology advances and different chemical compounds can be used (as seen in videos), as time goes on metallurgy gets better.>Waaah! AR500 doesn’t renew their NIJ certification or get better! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IY_EYg0PwyA go to the comments section, they discuss this!Why does it matter? They do tests all the time, as seen in the video. They refuse to get NIJ certifications on sheer principle. Why say how much you hate the government, then scream about how much you want government certification? Hypocritical, much?>Chinesium!It’s legit made in house, are you capabale of legitimate arguments?>M193!Drops on velocity fast, if you’re that concerned about it stop crying about level 3 and get their level 4. Was it that hard?>Muh affiliates!They go through the bells and whistles to show they’re legit, has it ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe they want to sell you the stuff they trust their life with?
>>48890131Airweight plates are a class of their own. Compared to a pair of 6-7lb Level IV plates or a barebones chest rig, 1.5 pound RF1s are quite attractive.
>>48889873[5 cents were deposited into your account]
>>48890585more like 100 shekels
>>48889873This is bait, I know. Nobody could be this stupid.It's particularly amusing that this dude posts shitty videos that come directly from AR500, after they've been caught under-loading rounds, using fake blacktips, and pulling all sorts of other shady stunts.>But muh balloons! I'll respond to this crap later on a point-by-point basis.For now: Never trust AR500 armor. Never buy AR500 armor.
>>48892297Oh, and picrel above is from that funny video where an affiliate gets an AR500 plate and accidentally shoots it with M193. "Gee whiz, I guess I wasn't supposed to use that type of round!" ( ﾟдﾟ)
>>48884164>>48884388I’m looking at stealth armor San Diego style concealable vest. You can choose your “ballistic system” and I think SLSIIIA (NIJ Cert) seems like the best fit for me. Is this a real “vest” or just a plate carrier? Or a vest with a certain level of protection and then achieves IIIA with a plate? I’m new at this and it can be hard to tell.
Dumbass here looking to learnHow do you guys know what level you're looking for? Or do you say "fuck it" and have more than one set of plates?I'm assuming the most likely shootings, theoretically, would involve pistols over anything else.
>>48893456Soft armor for daily wear. The best plates you can get for larping. Best is subjective.
>>48893456Go off the rounds in your area. If there are dudes with .30-06 or .308 hunting rifles, run Level III at least. If there are preppers stocking up on M855 or M193, make sure your Level III can take that heat. If they are packing M2AP, Level IV or bust.
>>48894328That in mind, and a reply from /gq/ says IV or go home.
>>48890187Has anyone tested these yet?
Are the bpi 4401 plates any good
>>48894328.223/5.56mm is the most common rifle threat in America, by a very wide margin. I think that plates that can stop M193 and M855 should be the bare minimum.>>48894379Not bad advice, as Level IV plates should also be able to stop M855A1 and M80A1, which may become more prevalent in the near future.>>48894931If it's a Hesco 4401, it's good.
>>48894988 Think its a copy im retarded and didnt read
>>48881006what the flying fuck is that mag setup?
>>48894988>Level IV plates>Find Hesco 4400 SAPI in L's>9lbs eachYou know, being a natural-born gigantor is kind of a bitch.
>>48895031There are much cheaper plates, but they tend to be much more expensive. The 4800 Size L only weighs 5.9 pounds. Last I checked, though, it cost somewhere around $2000.The Hesco 3810 is a good plate, is very lightweight in a Size L (4.7 pounds) and will stop almost all domestic threats. It's also a lot cheaper. That might be the right one... A 9 pound plate probably isn't a great idea, after all...
>>48896213Thanks anon. Goddamn there's a lot of shit to sort through.
>>48897332I said, > "There are much cheaper plates, but they tend to be much more expensive." I meant, > "there are much LIGHTER plates, but they tend to be much more expensive."Sloppy stream-of-consciousness writing error.Anyway, IMO the best option for a big guy is a lightweight Level III+/RF2 plate like the 3810. The cheap Level IV plates are going to be too heavy. The lightweight Level IV plates are going to be too expensive.
>>48895031Unless you're absolutely jacked as well as tall, try cutting cardboard plate templates to find your size. Medium fits 95% of men.
>>48897602Hopefully the Dayton RF2 works out. $700 is high, but it is extremely light. You have to get into Diamond Age territory to go lighter with the same rating.
I got hesco 4401 plates a week ago for $250 and they're arriving today. I just saw RMA 1155 multi curve just go live for $165 each. How badly did I fuck up. If I had known this would be a thing I would have waited
>>48901301You did fine, 4401s are still a pound lighter and $40/plate cheaper.Multicurve isn’t worth that trade off.If they were the same weight it would be worth the increased price.
>>48901371Alright, thanks anon. I'm p happy with the plates @ the price I got them for honestly but I'm a poorfag so dropping alot of money is always nerves racking for me
>>48901371I'm literally looking at those two options right now and I can't decide. Two single curve plates or one multi-curve?
>>48900199Not jacked but I'm a wide mfer without even being fat. Nature built me like a fuckin redwood.>6'10" it sucks
Anyone know how the soft armor on Russian 6b45 vest holds up? It's significantly lighter and more flexible than most other kevlar i have.I got it from russia for the memes, but i always wondered how much would it actually resist. Have a couple rma 1155s on it.My main is a bae rbav with soft balcs and hescos, but i am very curious if it's as good as the russians claim
>>48902111Russian aramid -- AuTx, Ruslan, and Artec -- is hugely superior to Dupont's Kevlar and Teijin's Twaron. It's literally almost twice as good. Even the US Army Research Labs / PEO Soldier ran a study on it, and grudgingly came to the same conclusion.I think that it's even better than PE, on a weight basis.So I'm not surprised that you've got a light and flexible Russian aramid vest. You should expect it to be thinner, lighter, and more flexible than Kevlar.
RMA has a multicurve level IV 1155 plate now. I picked up some. https://rmadefense.com/product/level-iv-multicurve-hard-armor-plate-model-1155/
>>48902545Totally over-priced at $320 for a pair. RMA used to be the best "budget" option. WTF happened?
>>48902619I think it's fairly reasonable given the times and that it's multicurve. Hesco 3810's a huge jump upwards in cost with the weight savings
>>48902349Interesting. Did ARL release a public report or is it still in the rumor mill?
>>48903119Very short version in the attached.AuTx is tougher, more tenacious, and simultaneously stiffer. It's really extraordinary how much better it is than Twaron and KM2. And this was an American/Military study; they clearly weren't happy about the results they got. (Check out the "its properties degraded faster at high temperatures!" cope. Even at 80°C, AuTx is still vastly superior.)
>>48903228Interesting. Thanks for providing the cite.
What's a good balance of weight and cost if I want to buy level 4 plates but not spend $1000+? Or am I fucked into wearing 16lbs
>>48902898The standard RMA 1155 is still single-curve and $135. The 1155MC is like a slightly premium model.>>48903228Excellent source!>>48904595Consult what Hoplite has on offer.
This might be the wrong thread but, are helmets just a meme? Are they worth getting if I'm not using NVGs?
>>48905017Mostly but not entirely a meme. You can hide most or even pretty much all of your body behind cover, but if you want to see what youre shooting then your head has to be exposed. For that reason while the helmet may cover very little of your whole body it really covers a lot of your exposed critical structures if you arent being retarded. Overall i think there are a lot of things worth worrying about more, but it isn't entirely retarded to get one. Id probably bother to wear one if i expected trouble, it offered reasonable protection against expected threats, and i had cover around to work with.
>>48905081Ok cool, thanks for the info.
Can someone spell it out a little easier for a retard like me?>Hesco 4401 - cheaper and higher level of protection but heavier>Hesco L210 - more expensive and can't handle full powered calibers but 25% lighterwhat is the general consensus between these two plates? also what is a good plate carrier? I was looking at the Spiritus Overt by I don't know much about this stuff.
I have a set of RMA 1155 Single Curves.Looking at and wondering about getting a pair of multi-curve 1192's. Think they would be worth it?
>>48908877Well that escalated.Just purchased a pair or 1192 multi-curve.
>>48908877Don't. The 1192 is actually a pretty shit plate. (6 pound Level IV plate for $700/ea. lel.) ESAPI plates on eBay -- which are routinely available -- are a much better deal, even when you factor in the soft armor backer you'll need.The Hesco 4800 and 1199 Gen 2 are much better plates.Speaking of the 1199 Gen 2, it's worth mentioning that RMA plates run heavy. The 1199 Gen 2 was listed for a long time at 4.7 pounds, but usually weighed more like 5 pounds. The listing on the RMA website has changed to reflect this.The 1192 is closer to 6 pounds, which makes it a pretty poor deal at $700.RMA's pricing was once the best in the business. The 1199 Gen 2 used to cost $699 and the 1155 used to be under $100. Now they are inferior to Hesco in every way including price.
>>48875247Hey /bag/Are there any companies I can send armor to, so I can get it X-ray tested?
>>48909983NTS, the same guys who run ballistic tests for 2/3rds of the industry, can do it.https://www.nts.com/services/testing/non-destructive/ct-scanning/Also:https://www.metengr.com/testing-services/non-destructive-testing/xrayAlso: If you're near your state college, they probably have the ability to run this sort of testing (most do) - and they might do it for free, if you make it sound interesting to them.
>tfw you will never get to be a juggernaut on a battlefield
>>48910474Forgot to attach pic
Do I buy a set of L210s while Lucas has them on sale????
>>48910555Checked. And yeah.
>I bought AR500Welp, at least I can just shoot them and get better plates
>>48910555They're robust plates for active shooter situations, and can cover all pistol threats with ease.
Are Paraclete plates any good? I’ve been issued one but I can’t find any NIJ certification for them
>>48910478it certainly would be a shame if someone were to aim 10 inches low
>>48913967They're a very reputable brand. They resell plates from TenCate and occasionally LTC.
Hesco 4401s for 260 (set of 2) worth it? Seems like its going to only get more fun from here to find stuff as I can't see them leaving armor alone much longer.
>>48914900Yeah. One of the best deals going.
>>48915090Thanks anon, figured but always nice to throw that kind of shit at the wall and make sure I'm not crazy or missing something.
Hahahahaha...The mouthbreathers at AR500 just released new "slim" soft body armor. It's a 10x12" shooter's cut soft armor panel.> "only 0.36" thick and weighs only 1.25 pounds".Nice late April fool's joke, I guess? Safariland currently sells soft armor panels that are 0.19" thick and would weigh 0.65 pounds in the same cut. The "slim" AR500 panel is literally nearly twice as thick and heavy as soft armor from 2005.http://web.archive.org/web/20051125054415/www.armorwear.com/ballistics.htmlWhoever buys anything from this company is such a fucking moron.
>>48917093It's probably gonna be shit at defending against threats too, bet m855 can pen that shit at 700 meters
>>48918226> "Slim" soft armor> 0.36" thickIt's just fucking stupid. It wouldn't have been "slim" in 1996. There were better options, even back then.
>>48917093Typical AR500 Ass.
Is there a reason anyone even buys that shit AR500 anymore? Is it just because its pimped by certain faggy guntubers?I don't think I've ever heard anything positive about them from anyone other than in videos but I'm not really "up" on that kind of stuff.
>>48919123>>48919123Brain dead boomers on Faceb**k and 20IQ zoomers who obsessively follow guntuber shills.That’s their whole customer base.
>>48920480Thats what I was figuring but it just seems crazy to me they still get brought up as much as they do considering the product they make. They are like the apple of plates it seems like. Useless trash at massively inflated prices.
Hard Head Veterans ATE: is this helmet garbage? It seems like a good price with all the rails and stuff, and they have a lot of graphics about backface deformation and stuff but I have no idea about helmets.
Thank you dutch LIBA anon for the keywords, soonish I will be the new owner of a set and the soft armor carrier they go in. I hope to acquire even more sets in the future for the purposes of ballistic testing.
>>48920623It's perfectly serviceable, but there are five problems with it.(1) The helmet shell is made in China. QC is supposedly done in the USA, but some people don't want to support China on principle, so be aware. (2) The rails are troublesome. They use the M-Lok system, but it's almost impossible to remove the rail from the shell, so you can imagine how frustrating it is to get heavy accessories to mount securely. M-Lok rails only really work when you can detach the rail and install your accessories off-shell, when necessary.(3) Some people have reported trouble with the shroud. Not that it's unstable, but that the body of the shroud cracks under extreme conditions of use or upon impact. (4) There are a lot of bolt-holes in the shell. (5) The shell is on the heavy side. It's aramid, rather than UHMWPE. Having said all of that, there are a few points in its favor.(1) It's very cheap for what you get. (2) There are a lot of accessories available for the HHV helmet platform, including a high-performance rifle appliqué plate, and just about anything that mounts natively to M-Lok.(3) Most people like the pads, and the HHV helmet's blunt impact (drop) performance is excellent.(4) A lot of people have tested HHV helmets, including HHV's critics, and its ballistic performance has been consistently good.(5) Aramid is more durable and thermally stable than UHMWPE, so you won't need to worry about leaving your helmet in a hot car on a summer day.All in all, I think that it's a pretty solid C-Tier helmet. If you don't mind the shell's weight and the rails, it'll serve you well enough. It's not an OpsCore FAST helmet, but you're not paying OpsCore prices, either.Pic unrelated.
>>48922073>including a high-performance rifle appliqué plateThis can be mounted to a MICH as well, so you don't need buy HHV for that.
>>48889764NIJ testing is actually privately operated, not a governmental operation
>>48875247What’s the best level 4 plates I can get in Canada? How about some recommended plate carrier dealers/mil supply stores too? My thinking is that level 4s can stop threats that level 3’s can and more... is that right?
>>48901981fellow 6'10" giant here, finding armor has been an absolute clusterfuck for me so far
>>48921537Let us know how it goes anon
>>48922073I haven't played chess in many a year, but her board is 10,000% wrong unless I'm retarded.
>>48923332That's the joke.
>>48922491Skeletalls SEETHE at the manlets ability to find armor
>>48892297SEETHE, COPE, DILATE.AR500 has inherited the marketPost proof of their cheating or it’s a baseless claim
>>48922491>>48923341>>48901981Custom Hexar was made for this. You can ask SAS for a 10x16" Hexar plate, or a 11x17" plate, or whatever, and they'll get it done. It's very good armor, too.
>>48901581Multi curve feels great but it’s better to have 2 plates then 1, unless it’s some crazy rare spook plate you’ll never find again
>>48904595Russian 6a granits if you can find them
>>48905017Get an ech if you can. It can stop a 7.62x39 mild steel core iirc, so you’ll be slightly more safe then having a 3a helmet
>>48910478>PASGT helmet>3a Kevlar protecting his groinThis man is in for a big surprise
Any of you guys have experience armoring your women? I have a spare set of L210s since I upgraded to U210s and I'm wondering how single-curve vs multi-curve works with tits. I can't try them on her because she's out of state doing research atm.
>>48922446A Level IV plate is only required to stop one hit of .30-06 M2AP, while a Level III must stop six hits of 7.62x51mm M80 - a lesser FMJ threat.
>>48923477>thinking anyone on here can get their woman into their weird interestsMy best guess is multicurve. I have a massive chest and am low bodyfat, but single curve sucks because my chest is so big (king of the manlets with a 38.5-39 inch chest), and my waist is so small that it’s genuinely uncomfortable to wear a plate (I’m bulking and my waist is 31.5 inches. I’m drinking half a gallon of milk a day)
How much of an improvement is the HPACH over the ACH helmets? From what I've seen it's 0101.06 tested vs 0101.01 tested but I'm not sure how much of an improvement that is, is there any other improvements? Any other helmet recommendations of similar price for better performance?
>>48923576And by “wearing a plate” I mean single curve.I’d imagine a woman would be even more uncomfortable because tightening it flat will compress her boobs and be extremely uncomfortable. Multi curve means less tightness
>>48923648Get an ech if you can, but their a pain to find for sub $200, but they exist
>>48923648Shit fucked up the tests it's 0106.01 for the ACH and 0101.06 for the HPACH>>48923678Thanks I'll take a look and see if I can find any.
>>48923576>Tfw real life amazon gf who farts like a foghorn at night.I got pretty lucky with her, she's actually into shooting and has never questioned any of my purchases.The plates are a just in case thing, I don't expect her to LARP with me. We live on the outer edge of a potentially bad place if say Chauvin gets aquitted. I'm prioritizing light weight and overall comfort since we're pretty avid hikers and we might decide to just nope out of here is things go sideways. But yeah I'm thinking multicurve is going to be an improvement either way.
>>48889873>Why does it matter? They do tests all the time, as seen in the video. They refuse to get NIJ certifications on sheer principle. Why say how much you hate the government, then scream about how much you want government certification? Hypocritical, much?So which independent 3rd party certification do they have?
>>48892312>"Gee whiz, I guess I wasn't supposed to use that type of round!"I didn't know this was an option in a shtf scenario.>"guys its not fair to use that kind of ammo my plates won't stop it">"aww shit sorry steve we'll switch guns"
Not sure if I should ask here or QTDDTOT. Looking to expand my CRYE AVS PC. What would be better to get, the AVS detachable flap, molle or the detachable flap m4?
>>48923678I'm having trouble finding any ECH but I'm looking at the hardheadveteran's ATE helmet and it seems pretty good from what I've looked at. Any thoughts on this helmet?
>>48921537Nice glad i could be of help
>>48924186lol, imagine this but with some hardass prepper with .338 Lapua AP loads.
>>48924186kek. And that goes double when the round in question -- lead core .223/5.56mm -- is the most common rifle threat in the USA by a country mile.
>>48927784Exactly. You can't call time out if your opponent uses his head and packs ammo that can totally blow through your plate. It's your own responsibility to ensure your armor can handle basic threats.
Haven't seen the Hesco M210s discussed much here. Seems like a decent lightweight plate in multicurve.
>>48929736id like to see one shot with .308 before i consider dishing out $350 per plate for them.
Is there a better alternative to hesco 4800s? Regular ones, not the lv's
>>48930030with regards to what? the RMA 1199 Gen2 is comparable on paper. in my experience, Hesco shooter cut plates are more like a swimmer cut and thus offer a little less coverage. RMA plates are closer to being SAPI cut in the top corners.
>>48930303For me,>lvl4 stand alone>thin as possible>weight
>>48930010Yeah I guess they really haven't been out long enough for much independent testing.
>>48930327they're really similar. there's also Hoplite 26300s.
>>48930381there's also those D220 plates but i think there are better options in that price range.
>>48923549Is a level IV plate expected to stop level III threats as well, or is it up in the air? You’d almost expect level 4’s to be “stronger” than 3’s to the point of being resistant to regular 7.62x51mm ammo, no?
>>48930621Honestly I'm less worried about M80/level IV in my neck of the woods. Mostly young guys playing operator with m855 or whatever 55gr FMJ they find at Academy.
>>48930763I'm retarded on this stuff and could be wrong but lvl3 is designed for non piercing standard ammo and lvl4 is designed for AP rounds so I would think it would do just as well as lvl3?Please someone correct me if I'm getting this wrong.
>>48930763It can stop Level III threats just fine, but a IV is not required to stop six hits of M80 like a III can.
>>48932393Level IV:Will stop M80 BallWill stop M855Will stop M193Will stop 7.62x39mm APIWill stop .30-06 APWill stop M855A1Will stop M80A1Will stop steel-cored 7.62x54R and 5.45x39mm roundsWill usually stop M995 with easeWill sometimes stop M993Level III: Will stop six shots of 7.62x51mm M80 Ball.Beyond that, who the fuck knows? kek.Because A LOT of "Level III" plates won't stop M193 or M855, which are the most common rifle threats in America, and won't stop standard-issue M855A1, Level IV is vastly superior.
>>48933438I should add that when the fucking NIJ gets around to releasing the .07 spec, the "RF2" rating will be very useful. An RF2 plate will be rated to stop 7.62x39mm MSC, .308, M193 (at 3280 fps), and M855 -- and will also be rated for three shot multi-hit performance.This will be the new bare minimum performance level. RF1 is fucking stupid, but even RF1 is lightyears ahead of "Level III". "Level III" is actually quite useless as a rating, which is why there are so many "Special Threat" plates, and "Level III+" plates. There are even some "Level III++" plates, haha.
>>48933467I for one prefer the level 3+++ plates with the extra thick cheat ring.
>>48930426Is the outcome of a coin toss the only difference between them?
>>48933545For me it's the RMA 1199 GEN ONE
>>48933438>>48933467I'm a noob and don't know what to get with either Level IV or Special Threat. I was looking at the Hesco L210 or 4401 as they are in my price range. If the 4401 has better protection why is it cheaper? does it come down to it's weight?
>>48935783weight and thickness>>48933879there's also a bit of a price difference depending on where you buy the 4800s from
>>48934453big fat ring o' foam.
>>48875247Does anyone know what SS111/M856 is? It's referenced as being a standard NATO cartridge alongside SS109/M855 ball and SS110/M856 tracer on numerous websites but they never actually explain what it is. The few sites that do give information on it seem sketchy and claim that it is some kind of tungsten carbide AP. But those same sites say SS110/M856 is 77-grain, when it is actually 64-grain so they don't seem trustworthy.
>>48937921I mean SS111/M857
>>48937921SS111 is the tungsten carbide brother cartridge of M855. It's rare and was briefly adopted for some time in the 1980s as M857. There is an in-between hardened steel load called P112, which is between M855 and SS111 in performance.
>>48922446depends if you have a PAL or not. If do - lots of options, look at tactical or gun stores online.If don't - few options in Canada online - check s&j hardware, or try ordering chink shit on ebay or wherever. better than nothing.
>>48938265>>48922446Yeah.If you're a cop or in the military, talk to Millbrook Tactical.If not, your best bet is probably Militech plates off AliExpress. Serious.
>>48938030Are there any documents regarding its weight and velocity, or its performance in comparison to M995?
>>48939839How good are those plates anyway
>>48925623Don’t settle, get an ACH at that point.Go to your surplus stores and ask around
What are the distances used on NIJ body armor? Obviously bullets lose energy over distance, but how far away are they shooting these plates from? 10 feet? 30? 100?
>>489421275m for handgun rounds, 15m for rifle rounds.
>>48940504Old Militech plates, like from a year or two ago, are pretty shitty and have cheat-rings.The new plates are said to be alright. I hear that they've mostly gotten rid of the cheat rings. And rumor has it that Militech have recently secured some military contracts in E. Europe, the Caribbean, and Africa. So their QC is probably at least halfway decent, at this point.If you're a civilian in Canada, Militech is not a bad option.
>>48925623Stolen ECHs show up all the time on ebay and surplus places. You can tell if it's legit pretty easily from a pic of the inside.
>>48944162They're usually pretty cheap, too.The Highcom "Striker Arditi" is basically an ECH, and goes for $3000 new. https://www.highcomarmor.com/product/striker-arditi/kek.Whereas the going rate for a used/surplus ECH in good condition used to be around $400...Stolen ECHs have always been a good deal.
>>48940044It's 62 grain and par with M855 velocity wise. It is inferior to M995 against steel.
Are hoplite 26605 g2g? Looking for multicurve level IV small sapi cuts that aren't 1k+ each and this is what I've come up with as the best option
>>48946580Yes, they're manufactured by Leading Technology Composites - the same company that manufactures model 28595 Tactical Stand Alone plates for USSOCOM.
>>48942127>>48942183Don’t the NIJ specs actually specify the velocity at which it should stop a particular cartridge?
>>48923396Attack of the Ceradyne 96034.
>>48946580Yeah they're gucci
>>48875247thanks for the chart, very helpfl
>>48935783In armor plates, every ounce counts -- and every ounce can cost dearly. You can buy a reliable 10x12", 8-9 pound, Level IV plate for $130.If you want a 10x12", 5-pound, Level IV plate that doesn't cut any corners on coverage, it'll cost you somewhere between $1000 to $2000.A very light Level III+/RF2 plate is always going to be more expensive than a heavy Level IV plate. A lot of it comes down to materials. The cheap Level IV plates are made with aluminum oxide (a very cheap ceramic) and fiberglass or low-end UHMWPE. The best Level IV plates are made with boron carbide (very expensive) and high-end UHMWPE (also very expensive.)
>>48957101Don't forget the titanium carbide mega-high-end plates.
>>48955276It's a damn good chart.
>>48959142and Silicon Carbide, like the ones used in the XSAPI
>>48897332I have the 3810s and really like them. I've also never been shot at in them so ya know, grain of salt.