Is this rifle good or not?
>>47972432for its price not really
It's $50 less then a super duty. Like idk man.
>>47972437>for its price not reallyThis. The entire schtick of the WWSD is to recreate the original idea behind the AR-15/M-16, to be a lightweight, handy, and cheap rifle. It's $1600 for a rifle that's deliberately trying to be a $400 rifle.faults:-no bolt closure device for brass checks-pencil barrel that won't hold up to even an average range sessionMonolithic poly lowers are probably the way of the future though, gotta give them credit there
>>47972432Surely we know what stoner would have done because he did it?
>>47972432>buying wwsd rifle from those communistsfucking gay>buying the stripped KP-15 lower and making a modernized ultralight M16based.
>>47972432It would be great if it cost like maybe, $500As it is it's all meme. An overpriced conversation starter at best.
>>47972718M16A1 is light enough on its own. No need for a meme polymer lower, it also ruins the retro aesthetics of a period correct lower.
>>47972432if you're a guccifag or obsessed with weight like nutnfancy sure. but a normal person can just get a normal upper and lower with a pencil barrel and be 90% of the way there at 1/2 the cost.>>47972672>no bolt closure device for brass checksCivilians don't give a shit about brass checks.>pencil barrel that won't hold up to even an average range sessionNobody's magdumping you retard.
>>47972672ive never once used a forward assist for brass checks ever. And even if you do need it, you can just put your thumb on the bcg cutout. >modern pencil barrels>badnoguns
>>47972736it balances better with the kp-15. >it's light enoughno. any weight I can save is good. more headroom for activities.
>>47972742>thinks using your thumb in the BCG scallop is viable>calls others nogunsNot even the guy your replying to, you're just that dumb.
>>47972742even past pencil barrels werent bad. sure they opened up when hot but it was still an acceptable level of accuracy.
>>47972773lmao. ke arms is good though. none of their money goes to satanists or commies
>>47972742>just put your thumb on the bcg cutout.The mark of the fag.
>>47972797it is viable for brass checks, and quietly closing the bolt. you fucking mongoloid. some companies even make exaggerated scallops for an even better setup. forward assists are for retards. outdated and unnecessary.
>>47972828Yeah it goes to Russel Fagan who got permabanned from somethingawful for offsite posts defending kyle rittenhouse. lmao
>>47972848If you think the scallop is viable for that then you just straight up do not shoot. You get the bare minimum of force behind it, and it gets hot after any decent amount of shooting, all while being less effective and more convoluted than the assist that comes standard. Crawl back into your hole idiot.
>>47972845>I like cocks and im too much of a pussy to get some carbon on my lil fingerthought you were cool bro. gg
>>47972854How is that guy associated with Karl, isn't Karl in support of Kyle being charged and going to jail?
>>47972868>bare minimum forceyes>it gets hot after shootingyesbut what do EITHER of those have to do with press checks, or quietly closing the bolt? are you fucking dumb? read the thread
>>47972848Wow how much dick has to go in your ass daily to believe this?
>>47972869What's he going to do dig his thumbnail behind the bolt lugs?
>>47972869I'd love to see your faggoty ass twink fingers try to get a supressor-gunked bolt that's nearly all the way back forward lmfao.
>>47972884I dont suck usmil cock and understand that the forward assist is unnecessary, and was protested-against by the designers of the rifleand no, I dont own a wwsd or like antifa. I own a v7 rifle.
>>47972904I have chamfered bolt lugs so I never have to. the future is now, boomer.
>>47972921>I own a v7 rifle.We already know you take dick anon, you don't need to confirm it any further
>>47972854>Yeah it goes to Russel Fagan who got permabanned from somethingawful for offsite posts defending kyle rittenhouse. lmaoHe may be stoic to the point of catatonic but based.
>>47972944>poorfag detected>non arguement detectedthanks, and have a good day.
>>47972904You can't expect /k/ to shoot. You sure as fuck can't expect /k/ to shoot a lot. You REALLY sure as fuck can't expect /k/ to shoot a lot with a suppressor.
>>47972432Fuck no lmao
The polymer lower itself is pretty cool but the idea of a ultra-light AR-15 is a meme for flabby shitheads to lazy to go to work out.
>>47972432A functional AR is going to be a good rifle regardless of its individual parts
>>47972432I'm making a similar build with the new kp15 lower. Going to shorten the barrel to 13.9" and thicken the profile. I don't really want a rifle I wouldn't use with my can.
>>47972983once you add a suppressor, IR laser, and quality optic, any weight savings is absolutely necessary. ultralight AR's are awesome so long as they dont compromise. Ive been slowly replacing parts in my AR with titanium.... you can tell when you hold it
So, it's good but overpriced and I should build my own or something.
>>47972740>Nobody's magdumpingspeak for yourself
>>47972432Fixed stock is the dumbest thing to try to carry over from M16. I think the adjustable stock is primarily what makes the M4 so favored, due to its versatility w/ body armor and shooting out of vehicles with
>>47973813Shut up noshoots.
>>47972873No, those are edits
>>47973829Have fun shooting it with a plate carrier faggot
>>47972868Why would you need to quietly close the bolt directly after shooting a fuckload. You've already compromised your position if your bolt is that hot.
>>47972672>that's deliberately trying to be a $400 rifle.No, it's not. It costs what it costs, it's not inflated or deflated or constrained by anything other than the criteria they set out to meet. Stop anthropomorphizing.>no bolt closure device for brass checksWhat is pic related you stupid fucking noguns>pencil barrel that won't hold up to even an average range sessionAbsolute fucking retard level fuddlore that Ian AND Karl AND a dozen other people have prove is completely fucking false with any barrel made after 1969. Absolutely shut the FUCK up you have no idea what you are even mad about.
>>47973921Fuck that. Look how deformed his fingers are, probably burned the shit out of them. They look like fucking toes.
>>47972736it's remarkable how many anons reveal themselves to have never actually walked more steps with a rifle than from the car to a range bench.
>>47972885What's he going to do? Shove a round that doesn't want to feed in even harder?
>>47972904back to your containment general nigger.
>>47972432>>47972718Now I'm always a fan of a lighter rifle, every day of the week - but how's the balance? Is it front heavy?
>>47974153KYS nogun faggot. I have a M16A1 retro clone and it's damn light, weighed it and it was a smidge over 7lbs with the retro 4x optic.
>>47974207>it's a blanket not a benchsure proved me wrong, fatty
>>47973921Go away Karl, go watch your girlfriend set stuffed like a thanksgiving turkey
>>47974233Describing yourself nogun fag?
>>47972868>gee whiz i've been magdumping so hard that my bolt is red hot, i better do a brass check>gee whiz i've been magdumping so hard that my bolt is red hot, i better close my bolt silentlysaid nobody ever
>>47974264see how i used a comma and you didn't? that's how anyone with a 10th grade education knew i was talking about you.
>>47974295Sure thing nogun fat faggot.
>>47972718Honestly the flared magwell matches the classic traingular handguard really well
>>47972873karl you say?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjJx50YsJ_k
>>47972437>>47972672based>>47973921cringe satanist cuck karl bait-poster
>>47973921On sauce on that handguard?
>>47973921>What is pic relatedSomething only retards think is viable.
>>47974395Looks to be this https://www.precisionreflex.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=652084&CAT=9647
>>47974168>round that doesn't want to feedtake a better look at that pic, the round isn't even touching anything besides the mag at that point so that's not the issue
>>47974452Come on, anon, you can't expect me to actually look closely and pay attention to posts that are actually high quality?
>>47972718I was thinking of buying one the other day just to do this
>>47972432Fine. Pretty hard to fuck up an AR, I just don't see the point. I've heard them explain the reasoning, but it just seems so flimsy and vague. Initially it was what would Stoner do if designing the AR today, then they clarified it was WWSD if designing the gun in 2017 using OTS parts, and now they're basically transparent that its just a range toy for when they're doing competition. I've heard people say its meant to be an ultra light AR, but you can go lighter and DPMS had lighter ARs back in 2010 (I mean shit, they had the .308 compact hunter at 6.5 pounds). Its certainly not meant to be an entry level AR, considering its the same price as a BCM or DD rifle. I've nothing against them offering an inrange competition gun, but the specious "wwsd" justifications for their choices is wak. Not saying anything original here, but it bears repeating that the guy didn't die in the 1960s, he was working on ARs until the year he died, 1998. You don't have to rely on grasped straws and reaching justifications like "he liked modern materials" and "he liked light guns", because he has a body of work that extends far beyond 1970 and most of the guns he worked on in the 90s were neither particularly light nor did they use materials any more modern than plain aluminum.I'm sure the gun itself shoots straight and reliably, but the whole rationalization surrounding it is just a big poopoo peepee on karl and ians part.
>>47974603I agree with you. If people were gonna go the light weight route, v-seven stuff is what you would select anyways.
>>47973921>anthropomorphizingYou don't know what that means.
>>47974340>Moanin'Based and jazzpilled.
>>47974685is that a glass full of cum
>>47975176Is that cum in spanish or something?
>>47975158only the finest cum... Ian's cum.each WWSD rifle comes with a bottle of it.also, each gun is infused with the soul of the dark lord.
>>47975218If you want to drink cum go aheadIf you want to see the green fairy drink absinthe
>>47975227jizz is the best, you stupid faggot.
>>47975221Wow look at all those cumdles.
>>47975245he shall be from henceforth named "karl cumsarta"
If you build this rifle is it cheaper or will it actually cost the same, also what is the point of the captured buffer
>>47975493doesn't sproing out when disassembling, i think it was a little quieter?
>>47974603>Not saying anything original here, but it bears repeating that the guy didn't die in the 1960s, he was working on ARs until the year he died, 1998.This. Because the last real WWSD rifle are KAC SR25 and SR15.
>>47975493I'm building it cheaper but I'm forgoing most of the expensive components like the carbon fiber handguard and captured buffer. BCM handguard is light enough and about half the cost. The captured buffer is allegedly smoother cycling and it doesn't vomit out of the buffer tube if the detent isn't present.
>>47975493captured buffer doesn't need a buffer detent installedthat's basically it
>>47972432>$1600>all in one poly lower for some reason>meme carbon fiber free float with no option for irons without a rail segment>optic height worse than dovetail mounted ak opticsgee anon idk seems like a good choice to me
>>47972904>supressor-gunked bolt that's nearly all the way back forward lmfao.Look we can all make up extremely retarded situations and you can move goalposts all you want. Time to face the music but you're a fucking faggot and there is no real-world reason why anyone needs to do more than one or two press checks permission. Oh wait you don't get on missions anyways bc you're just a faggot LARPer
>>47973111have you tried not being a fucking little bitch? Swear to god this board, spend 3k on Gucci parts but 0 time in the gym or doing cardio.
>>47973111See >>47975833weak bitch
Why is a carbon fiber handgaurd a meme?
>>47974153Nigga there's not a single AR set up that's actually heavy. Even an AR-10 with scope, IR laser, etc. is much lighter than shit like the M249.
>>47972904If your bcg can’t be moved forward under its own spring pressure by using the CH a few times, you’ve got bigger problems than that smart guy.
>>47975950They just aren’t durable, and when carbon fiber starts to delaminate holy fuck you have little splinters everywhere
>>47974603It shoots straight and reliable but is it good?
>>47972672>muh brass checksStopped reading there. How do you not know the fucking condition of your rifle?
>>47972432It's about the same cost as the FN Tactical IIs. Rifle is Fine.Honestly I would like to shave 2-3 pounds off my base rifle. It'd make it a lot more handy after you put on the optic and light.
>>47975518No, because things changed. SR15 is based on what was wanted by some folks after decades of institutional fumbling around. It's goals weren't in using different materials to increase handiness, but minor tweaks to the existing design with a different bolt and an in-between gas length.
>>47975665It's the exact same optic height as any flat-top AR15?
>>47972718As someone who owned one of those colt scipes.Just dont.?unless you have an a1 or collapsible stock.Their eye relief makes an acog feel generous.
>>47975493>If you build this rifle is it cheaperMaybe back when it was announced you might have been able to find all the same components cheaper if you shopped around, but it wouldn't have a warranty. Right now, no fucking way you could make it cheaper.
>>47972729just the lower costs $500 lolit's the overpriced capture spring and all the ambi stuff, I think
>>47976339The gear queer still wins here for not being a w*man.
>>47973403most of the money is in the captured spring assembly, the trigger, and the handguardeverything else on the rifle is dirt cheap
>>47977275women shooters are based and make my pp hard
>>47972432I hope to pick up my lower tomorrow.
>>47977318how's Arizona this time of year?
>>47972740>and be 90% of the way there at 1/2 the cost.This is what gets me. Most of the weight savings are in the pencil barrel, everything else is just min/max gamer shit that doesn't matter to the average shooter. It's an answer to a problem literally nobody has.
>>47972672>no bolt closure device for brass checksLiterally nobody cares. Mag in, charging handle back, let go, weapon is hot.>-pencil barrel that won't hold up to even an average range sessionStop larperating with magdumps, focus on hitting the damn target for once. Pencil barrel is fine for most shooters, thus for the average.>>47973813>I think the adjustable stock is primarily what makes the M4 so favored due to its versatility w/ body armor and shooting out of vehicles withAre you fighting with body armor? Good, now any non-manlet can deal with A1 LOP over plates. Are you a manlet?Are you shooting out of vehicles? Really? Really now? Then get something other than a rifle.
>>47977346the monolithic polymer lower with the cheap flared magwell is dank
>>47976339in the same vein
>>47974603>did they use materials any more modern than plain aluminum.The ironic part here is that Stoner experimented with composite (steel and aluminium) barrels with the AR-10, and now that composite barrels have finally reached maturity (although steel and carbon fiber), the WWSD doesn't have any despite the focus on lightweight and innovation no matter the cost.
>>47975665>no option for ironsMUH IRONSMUH IRONSMUH IRONS
>>47977536the composite barrel was a meme even on the AR-10 that was pushed to try to discredit it so that the favored son (what became the M14) would win
>>47976339Jesus this is some atomic cope
>>47977307I like gun thots too, but they're the opposite of combat/SHTF ready.
>>47976339You got a lot of balls posting facebook tier memes on /k/.
>>47977727Busting your fatty balls?
>>47977360This would've been true pre-2020, now the chance of 23 ni-, "people" attacking you is entirely within the realm of possibility.
>>47977756Thank you, I always thought they were a bit small. BTW that was a pretty fast response, kind of like a desperate GF/BF sending texts on their phone.*blush*
>>47972672>pencil barrels are badnogunz retard detected
>>47972868Why the fuck are you doing a press check after shooting, retard?
>>47977575>>47977727mad because it hits close to home, huh fatty?
>>47972432The polymer lower is neat. The lack of an easily adjustable LOP is annoying but not a dealbreaker, and it seems to be more durable than aluminum receivers. Otherwise, everything else on the rifle is kind of assuming best case scenarios. Not having a forward assist is stupid, there's no reason not to have a way to manually close the bolt. Carbon fiber doesn't deflect the same way metal does, but it's more brittle and is more likely to just straight up shatter. The pencil barrel is going to start shifting your zero from even just being out in the sun, not to mention just straight up blowing out like original M4 barrels were doing. Also Faxon barrels are overgassed.
>>47977777Quints show the truth of current SD situations
>>47977948If it didn't go into battery why would you force it with the forward assist? Why not drop the mag and run the action?
>>47972873No, those were fake and gay. Karl is cringy enough without some kind of retarded character assassination campaign by /pol/.
>>47972432Needs 45 offset iron sights.
>>47973813Adjustable LOP is a meme for 99% of the population. Adjusting the LOP does more to fuck your muscle memory, handling and aim than adding body armour ever will. The accommodation for adjustable LOP also makes the M4's buffer comically easy to break if you use it as an actual combat rifle and subject it to abuse, heaven forbid you ever actually try and hit anything with the butt; a serious problem noted in a fuck load of AARs.
>>47972432I do hope they apply it to the AR10. An ultralight precision .308 could change the hunting industry.
>>47972672>no bolt closure device for brass checksIn the era after .300 blk forward assist is too dangerous. You load .300 blk by mistake force it in by forward assist, kaboom. Weak ar bolt by itself not always can push .300 bullet into case. It is safety measure. Pencil barrels are fine if you don't fire match grade ammo. M855 gonna shoots 3-4 moa, pencil barrel inaccuracy would not be relevant here.
>>47977777It's okay, anon. You're in a safe place. You can call them niggers.
>>47972736>M16A1 is light enough on its own. Without optic and suppressor. Been light allows to use accessories without been too heavy.
>>47977948>muh LOPA1 LOP I literally perfect for anyone in armor that’s over 5 1/2 feet tall>zero shiftModern pencil barrels don’t shift zero like you think they do, a group opening from 1 moa to 3 is not the same thing as stringing that the old a1 suffers from. >barrel blow outs M4 barrels didn’t blow out because of their thickness you retard, the blew out because SOCOM were using their rifles outside of the use they were designed for. Dumping 20 mags through your rifle at cyclic makes the barrel hot enough to destroy the heat treatment, any point after that, especially if the barrel is subjected to another 20 magazines worth of cyclic will cause the barrel to blow.
>>47978014The issue may be one which simply running the charging handle does not remediate. A weak recoil spring, stiff magazine spring, or even just some sand or ice in the receiver may create enough friction that will not allow the bolt to go into battery under spring pressure alone and so using the forward assist to at least get a round chambered would be better than constantly racking the charging handle until you're out of perfectly good rounds. If you look at the results of the TECOM trials you'll see that there are plenty of times where a forward assist helps load the next round in without causing a subsequent malfunction, catastrophic or otherwise.https://apps.dtic.mil/docs/citations/AD0812971As a side note, you can also use the forward assist to extract a torn case by forcing another bullet in to make a friction fit with the torn case and then extract them together.
>>47973921>anthropomorphizing.Don't use words if you don't understand them.
>>47978111Trips are wasted on you. If the rifle will not go into battery because of a weak spring, a forward assist is not going to make the spring stronger. You must not have read that anons post, DROP the magazine and run the action, not run the action like an idiot until the magazine is empty. >look, just jam this live round into this fucked up malfunction, it will fix it I swear Holy fuck do not do this.
>>47972432No. now delete this thread you retard.
>>47978165A forward assist won't fix a weak spring, but neither will you dropping the mag and running the charging handle. At least with the forward assist you can send something downrange. Sure, if the problem comes up when you're at the range it's probably better to be on the safe side but if you're trying to be some sort of combat rifle like people think the WWSD rifle is, it's nice to have options. Why don't you take a look at the actual results of official government tests to see how many times an AR magically blew up because of the use of a forward assist.
>>47978205Dropping the bolt on the unstripped cartridge a second time still accomplishes this task. Why don’t you fuck off with your retarded suggestion that you can fix a stuck case by jamming another cartridge into it you moron.
>>47978221If you're at the range, sure. But I'm talking about combat conditions for what is supposedly a combat rifle, and pushing a forward assist is both faster and simpler than dropping the magazine, then pulling the charging handle back just enough to get some spring tension while also not ejecting the round, then loading the magazine back in. Using the forward assist to clear a torn case is also more expedient than breaking down your rifle and grabbing a specialized tool.Do you by chance have any examples of a catastrophic failure caused by use of the forward assist besides retards with .300 blackout?
>>47977777You accidentally made it into reality, good job
The carbon fiber handgaurd and captured buffer spring are the things I can't understand. One less point of failure is not worth like $200 and the 2oz saved on weight is like worth $200 over a regular m lock handguard
>>47974153my ar weighs 14 lbs and i go on hikes with it all the time
>>47978314carbon fiber handguards are borderline retarded. They are no wear near as strong and are susceptible to both heat and uv.
>>47976031I swear to God the people who spew this shit right here must not shoot more than twice a year if at all. They think any time there's a FTF there's some fuckhuge issue that requires an armorer diagnostic and not a mag related hiccup that can be assessed and fixed with a split second visual check and a press of a button 99% of the time. Fuck man.
>>47972672There is a mental illness for the irrational rage that the forward assist creates that correlates directly with estrogen content in your body. Forward assist grievance sufferers, fags, need to cope
>>47978314>>47978329Carbon fiber guard not only lighter but also much more comfortable to hold in extreme heat or cold than bare metal.>inb4 just use gloves
>>47978478carbon fiber reinforced plastic aka epoxy resin with carbon fiber sheets in it is a really really really really stupid material to put around a really hot barrel. It makes no sense and will not last. Also don't overtighten anything even a bit!
>>47978325Us military did test 12 lb rifle with crap vs 8 lb bare carbine. In terms of time on target from standing carbine was like 20-30% faster >ADS speed bonus lol
>>47978266>you see if you use your rifle like an idiot you’re wrongNo one is going to try and retain a single fucking cartridge, eject their magazine, they’re just going to pull the charging handle to the rear and drop it. >in combat conditions, running a charging handle is ok to clear a double feed, but not fast enough to put a cartridge in batteryYou are a fucking moron. Can you provide any examples of a catastrophic torn case malfunction being fixed by jamming a live cartridge into it, in combat conditions you fucking idiot.
>>47978336> swear to God the people who spew this shit right here must not shoot more than twice a year if at all. They think any time there's a FTF there's some fuckhuge issue that requires an armorer diagnostic and not a mag related hiccup that can be assessed and fixed with a split second visual check and a pull of the charging handle 99% of the time. Fuck man.
>>47978325either poor or really stupid
>>47978562If the problem is the magazine, then loading from the same magazine is just going to result in the same malfunction. If your argument is that the magazine spring will be under less tension with one less round then using the forward assist will still be faster than dropping the magazine, running the charging handle, reinserting the magazine, then running the charging handle again. >in combat conditions, running a charging handle is okay to clear a double feed, but not fast enough to put a cartridge in battery.Yes. You're comparing apples to oranges. A forward assist will not help with a double feed, but it could help with a failure to feed. Why use the less expedient option when you don't have to?While there is no record of a FA being used to clear a torn case in combat conditions, if you look at Ian's latest video where he shoots the Nambu machine gun you can see a part where a second bullet is used to extract a torn case, albeit unintentionally and under simple spring pressure. The same thing may be accomplished with an AR, but the forward assist can help if spring pressure is not adequate. There was also a thread on arfcom about it but it seems it is no longer available. Here is a video referencing it, along with several studies and demonstrations that show the utility of the FA.https://youtu.be/MhjU8InWxr0I have, however, found no evidence besides idiots using .300 in their 5.56 barrels, of the use of a FA resulting in a catastrophic malfunction. Have you considered that any condition that would cause a catastrophic malfunction would not be able to be cleared with hand pressure on a forward assist or are you too much of an IRTV boomer shill to recognize that obvious fact?
>>47978472I honestly don't get why some people are so adamant on hating it, at worst it's just a plunger you never use that does absolute fuckall to impede you or the rifle. I've personally had to use it a few times when I was dropping the bolt on a full mag and I hadn't cleaned my rifle in some time and I'm sure the below freezing temps weren't helping, and that was at a nice range so I can see why it'd be handy to have on an AR in combat conditions.
>>47978863>don't get why some people are so adamant on hating itunironically it's karl acolytes. karl is a loud asshole with opinions, and one of his biggest hot takes he uses to get noticed is that the assist is actually a detriment and will make your gun explode. other loud assholes take this opinion on and defend it as if it were their own, nevermind that we had studies a half fucking century ago showing that the assist is good to have when you're fighting for your life in shitty conditions
>>47978861>have, however, found no evidence besides idiots using .300 in their 5.56 barrels, oNah it's idiots who made this cartridge. Now you have to live with fact that any cartridge you load without carefully looking is actually can be a bomb.
You're not going to get a reliable opinion on /k/. 4chan's popular boards haven't been useful for actual information since 2017ish I noticed. Any subject popular enough to garner attention is going to have no-guns and shitposters flocking to spew their useless opinions, especially if an e-celeb is involved.Honestly OP, go find an actual firearms forum if you want good answers here. /k/ is mostly for general threads and shitposting now.
>>47978923I rather like .300 blackout, it's a fun round and, if you're really adamant about using an AR for certain situations, is much better than 5.56. I just keep mine exclusively in Lancer mags while keeping the 5.56 in other magazines so I can tell from just look and feel what I'm putting in my gun.
>>47972432It's fine for what it's meant to be - a relatively inexpensive, reliable competition gun. It's not a gunfighter's gun, it's not an army gun, it's specifically tuned for practical shooting, and literally nothing else. They even mentioned it as such.
>>47973921Why the fuck would you use a scallop over a forward assist?
>>47972691No, Mecha-stoner did not timeshift to our decade to design his gun, leave us reference examples so we'd know what he did, and then go back to the past and redesign the rifle with materials available back then.
>>47978973Which is one of the main reasons the WWSD project was so retarded. They started out saying it was meant to design a *military* rifle that Stoner would have designed today using the materials currently available to best implement his philosophy behind the AR. It turned into Karl's personal 2-gun match setup.
>>47978861>running a charging handle is far too slow, you must use the magic button I didn’t know we were high speed low drag super l337 operators, a split second could mean death! You would just eject the fucking magazine if it’s continuing to cause malfunctions, you aren’t saving as much time as you think guy. I’m not comparing apples to oranges because you’re claiming that the amount of time it takes to use a charging handle is acceptable in one instance and not another. >hurr ur a shillI don’t have a vendetta against a forward assist, acting like it’s a do or die addition to the weapon is bullshit. The FAL and g3 are two combat proven rifles that don’t have a forward assist, but somehow you can’t manage to find people whining about how much nearer you are to certain death clearing malfunctions with those weapons.
>>47976031If the bolt is locked all the way back as seen in the trip's pic, you're going to be spending far more time yanking that handle repeatedly than just pushing the FA, because it's barely able to get any sort of momentum from the spring to dislodge the round. That's not a sign of "bigger problems" that's basic physics. Any time I've used the FA it was when dropping the bolt on a full mag. The issue is resolves in a second, rather than who knows how long while you keep jerking the charging handle like a moron.
>>47979145Apparently that only happens to his rifle when it’s super dirty and suppressed, if you bothered to read his stupid post. It’s literally a second to pull the ch 2 times, tell me if your rifle is continuing to malfunction in this way how will a forward assist fix it?
>>47979033I'm not sure who is the real l33t operator here, the guy who uses a simple, expedient administrative operation that thousands of others have done before, or the guy who thinks performing what amounts to a closed bolt reload doesn't take much longer than hitting a simple button. If your argument is that such a technique is good for one malfunction type is fine for another because it takes the same time, then may I suggest every time you have a small malfunction you break down the rifle and slam a cleaning rod down the bore?>The FAL and G3 are battle proven!Any weapon used in combat can be called "battle proven." That doesn't mean it actually meets some standard of reliability or utility. Funny enough, Israeli FALs have forward assist capable charging handles, which might have been useful when Ian did a mud test on the FAL and bemoaned its lack of a reciprocating charging handle.
>>47979217>Apparently that only happens to his rifle when it’s super dirty and suppressed,Okay, a lot of people here do that, and certainly people deployed, so what's the issue? If you're running a clean rifle in a clean range, yeah, you probably won't need an FA. You get a gold star.>It’s literally a second to pull the ch 2 timesYou're implying it will be a guaranteed resolution in two pulls, if it's cold or things are dirty it can take quite a bit more because, again, you're barely tapping the first round because of how far back the bolt is.>tell me if your rifle is continuing to malfunction in this way how will a forward assist fix it?Because an FA will apply far more force with thumb pressure. Quicker, easier, more guaranteed. It has no downsides.
>>47979217different anon, i've had it happen with steel case ammo with a just cleaned rifle and i've never even touched a can, much less put one on my rifle. tap the button, bolt go closey, no more problem
>>47978863Good old fashioned contrarianism. Imagine actually preferring to rack the charginghandle a half dozen times instead of just pushing a fucking button. You don't even have to move your trigger hand you just PUSH A FUCKING BUTTON and people still have a fucking problem with it because they have to be different.
>>47978085>A1 LOP I literally perfect for anyone in armor that’s over 5 1/2 feet tallconfirmed for false
>>47979244>your the tactical mall ninja not meReally? So using the ch in one instance makes you a larper and in another it doesn’t. >it takes way longer!It literally doesn’t matter, both take seconds to perform, your second saved could not possibly matter less. >take your rifle down hurr durrYou’re the faggot claiming that it’s not acceptable to use your charging handle to fix this problem because of how much time you save, when it is completely irrelevant and you can remediate similar malfunctions acceptably by using the fucking charging handle. The second you may save does not matter. >you see these two rifles used the world over for the last 60 years, yeah they aren’t good enough pal I should knowYou hold your own opinions pretty high lmao, imagine if you could have helped those idiots who designed them whoa.
>>47978905Karl also thinks if you push the FA while shooting it will make the gun KB. He's an idiot, and so are the people following his histrionics as gospel.
>>47979418Not him but what do you gain by not having the forward assist over having it? What advantage does using the CH to solve FTFs have over using the FA?
>>47979350Sounds like there’s a problem with your rifle anon, maybe you need to replace your buffer spring.
>>47979377>omg I had to pull this handle two timesOh my fuck, you could have died.
>>47979447no? i'd only had it for a few weeks and barely put 200 rds through it.
>>47979456>use an inferior method just for the sake of itYou're proving my point snowflake.
>>47979012Making military gun like sport gun is fun and has some point. M16 was nothing like wood and steel guns of that era and looked like you.Problem with WWSD is that their possibilities are very limited. Some accessories here some there. They can't redising weapon they are not gun designers making enterly new gun, they are couple amateurs.In hindsight there are many things that are wrong and should be remade but you stack with them because they are standart.First it's a core of the gun, round itself. It has patheticly short ogive and poor bc as result. Latter BRL made 66 grain 223 bullet with better bc than M80. Too bad too long it doesn't fit in ar-15 and mag. Can't have better range than 7.62 NATO because Stoner made AR-15 wrong (in hindsight).Second is magwell. Can't put 100 round drum from ultimax here. Magwell must go. Rock in mags with notwell ftw.3. Magwell is too tight, fine with aluminum mags, but doesn't fit plastic good. Needs wider mag standard for something more sturdier like ribbed AUG mag. Well we already ditched stupid magwell.4. Campin and bolt. AR campin free travel too short, engagement angle too steep. AR bolt opens at high pressures and too fast, flimsy bolt logs shear off. Compare it too SCAR bolt. Its like AR but mistakes fixed. As result SCAR bolt can run 100k+ rounds when AR start breaking at 10k.But Ian and Karl can't do nothing of this. They are not Stoner.
>>47979447He said he was running steel case, you should have an idea that it's not nearly as slick as brass and is far more likely to bind up
>>47979475>it’s inferiorWhy>it took 1 second longerMkay gamer>snowflakeARFCOM niggers will hang
>>47979442Nothing. You gain or lose nothing. I’m not some inrangeTV dick rider on a crusade against forward assists, acting like it’s the end of the world or a combat weapon MUST have one is stupid. Muh STONER himself neglected to put on on the SR25. The fucking thing is unusable in combat, return all the m110s immediately.
>>47979495Do you even have an AR? One method requires you to just move your thumb to a button to press and the other has you relocate your entire trigger hand and rack a charginghandle multiple times. How in fuck is that not inferior? Call it autism all you want, you're the one going out of your way to omit something that doesn't hamper you in any way just so you can be special and rely on an objectively shittier method. You retard zoomers are the first to go.
>>47979489Never happened to me guy, I’ve had a thousand through mine and I haven’t needed the FA on the side of my upper even once.
>>47979518>he uses his dominant hand to use the charging handleOk retard.
>>47979538Kek, you got him
>>47979509But you do gain, you yourself are admitting you save time by using a forward assist, and that can be vital when you're under fire. Acting like a rifle is unusable because it doesn't have a forward assist is dumb, but so is pretending you gain nothing by having it. You absolutely sound like you have a vendetta against it, any point in its favor you just handwave by saying people should charge the BCG. If it makes feeding easier and quicker while not having any downsides, what's the downside? Anyone who didn't have a vendetta against it would see this.
>>47979520Happened to him apparently, and I've seen it happen to others, so...
>>47979509>I don't have a vendetta against it but excuse me while I defend the people who do have a vendetta against it and act like they're the ones not always starting shit over the FA's existence
>>47979557I never said you never save time, I said the time you save doesn’t really matter, if you want to bench race split times that’s fine, let’s not pretend that 1 second saved here matters in an infantry rifle.
>In Reference 1, it was concluded, in comparing the AR15 and MI4 rifles, that "The M14 has the advantage that manual force can be applied to the operating handle to close the bolt under adverse conditions." Itwas also suggested to redesign the charging handle of the AR15 rifle so that the soldier can apply as much leverage to the AR15 rifle as can be applied to the M14 rifle for clearance of stoppages.">The standard AR15 rifle is provided with a charging handle for pulling the bolt group to the rear only, depending entirely on the energy of the compressed action spring to return the bolt and strip a round from the magazine, chamber the round, and lock the bolt. Under adverse conditions (such as dust and mud), because of increased friction, the energy of the compressed driving spring is not always sufficient to accomplish these functions, thereby necessitating the incorporation of a device to manually assist closure of the bolt.>REPORT ON USATECOM PROJECT NO. 8-3-0030-06F PRODUCT IMPROVEMENT TEST OF BOLT ASSIST DEVICESFOR RIFLE, CALIBER .223. AR15 REPORT NO. DPS-1120 NOVEMBER 1963go home everyone
>>47979654Why wouldn't it? This also doesn't take into account that you can exert more force than the recoil spring every could from a start or near start position. So there's another point in favor of the forward assist.
>>47979685Interesting, where can I find this report?
>>47979713https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/812971.pdfhas some indepth testing, including one that proves the shit in >>47979422 was fuddlore and how the direct inline force exerted by the assist plunger on the bcg is far superior to anything a charging handle could offer for stripping rounds from mags, even if you modify the charging handle so it can exert forward force
>>47972432So, stripped these fuckers are $110 right now. ~$50 in shipping/transfer. And a buffer, I have the rest. So ~$170 in total, is that an alright deal for the kit or is that getting screwed territory. Note this would be a novelty rifle because I already have an A1 and M4 clone and ammo.
>>47976164Because you sometimes forget. Or if you want to make sure a round was picked up.
>>47979489"Steel case is sticky" is a cope, I've dumped plenty of 50 round mags of steel out of a piece of shit PSA upper that I don't clean on an SOT friend's full auto lower Something is obviously wrong with his gun for it to be jamming at 200 rounds
>>47980042>FTF>Blames the gun and not the magDunning-Kruger Central
>>47972432no and if you own one you are a faggot
>>47979617Your words faggot, every one of my ARs has a FA and I do not care.
>>47979706Have you ever seen any combat footage at all? Any reloads that take place aren’t emergency empty mag reloads, they take a long time and it doesn’t matter because they have 30 other guys around them all shooting.
>>47980117>blames the mag and not the ammoSee I can be a retard too.
>>47972432its a meme gun designed for the sole purpose of 2 gun action challenge match
>>47980188>Any reloads that take place aren’t emergency empty mag reloadsWhat? Are you trying to say that people in combat never reload with the bolt locked open after fully expending a mag?
>>47980199Protip; any feeding issue in a mag-fed, self-loading firearm is almost guaranteed to be the mag. This is Shooting 101, kiddo.
>>47980199He literally isn't wrong, magazines are by far and away the leading cause of feeding fuckups
>>47979685>observe while I fire my filthy rifle 1 round every minute instead of cleaning the shit out of it so it works properlyFA was a long list of copes that fudd retard Amy procurement needed to defend their shitheap m14
>>47980239So what? Jettison the magazine. The guy in question was complaining about steel case hanging up in his rifle anyway, read the fucking thread.
>>47980261Are you pretending to be retarded? Do you know what mags do with ammo? They hold them and help guide them, so if a mag is even out of spec by a miniscule amount to the point it has a very slightly tighter grip on a type of ammo with textured surface, like bare steel, that could cause a feeding problem. Do you even shoot, you're failing to grasp some basic fucking concepts here.
>>47980202>let me grasp at this strawHardly ever, and never in a situation where a split second gamer reload would mean life or death. Watch some GWOT footage genius, they almost always reload before the mag is empty and when it is they spend ages fishing a mag from a pouch. Your second saved with a FA is not the end of the world
>>47974168>clean ur gun in the middle of a fightWow anon rly thoughtful of you, very big brained.
>>47980286>my mag is causing a malfunction>ok throw it away>OMFG DOYOUKNOWWHAT MAGAZINES ARE FOR DOYOUSHOOTHoly fuck do you?
>>47980304>do nothing to remediate your weapon in the middle of a fight. Sure thing moron.
>>47980288Then maybe you should be advocating that the bolt-catch is removed since no one, apparently, reloads off an empty mag. Saying "watch some footage" to prove your claim is asinine, especially since I've seen plenty of instances of soldiers using AR derivatives in the field smacking their catches. You're still, again, acting like you don't get more leverage with the assist over the charging handle. Again, are you sure you don't have a vendetta against the forward assist?
>>47972432What sling is on that rifle?
>>47980309>my bolt stuck on some steel case>LOL SUMTHIN WRONG WITH UR GUN>it's almost guaranteed to be a mag issue idiot>Y U NOT BLAMING THE AMMO LMAO>are fucking stupid, it's the mag>THROW AWAY THE MAG THEN READ THE THREADPost your guns, I refuse to believe you're this retarded and allowed to own any.
>>47980315>lemme just take my rifle apart while engaging hostilescare to guess why the Ichord Report exists dummy?
>>47980351Looks like a vickers/blue force sling
>>47980369>hurr watch me strawman this whole thread so I win>ha post ur gunsI’m not the nigger who claimed their ammo caused the malfunction you fucking moron, you’re the nigger that’s claiming the magazine is causing the issue and then sperging out at the thought that of ditching a malfunctioning magazine. Feel free to post YOUR guns you stupid fucking moron.
>>47980387>let me cite this report that has nothing at all to do with a forward assist and everything to do with incorrect powders, no cleaning kits at all, and a non chrome lined chamberI bet they wished they actually had been issued proper cleaning kits, don’t you?
>>47980414It was never not the mag you illiterate chimp, mags being stingy with steel ammo is the sign of a defective mag since it should feed steel and brass reliably. Of course you won't post guns since you don't have any, I knew there was no way you actually shot. Holy shit you are retarded. Absolute goddamned mongoloid. Jesus.
>>47980434.....anon we're discussing how stupid it is to expect soldiers to take apart weapons when they're under fire, and i posted a report that came about precisely because of a scandal brought about by congressmen getting letters from soldiers detailing how they were having to take apart their rifles while under fire and getting killed as a result. keep up please.
>>47972672>gotta give them credit thereYou don't though, lower is a clone of a 7(?) year old product.
>>47980414Oops forgot my photoLatest rifle I’ve put together, incomplete so far, and the only one in this new phone. No guns niggers kill yourselves
>>47980469I will bet money >>47980414 and >>47980434 are the same mouthbreathing retard, there's no way we have two dumbfucks incapable of reading yet think they're king of shit mountain.
>>47980469Maybe the issue isn’t fixing a malfunction in the field you dumbass, and actually addressing what was causing ALL the rifles to malfunction. You are so fucking dense, how could you possibly think this was a good point.
>>47980504I'm glad you have a pictogram safety lower because there is every chance you would be unable to tell what "SAFE" and "FIRE" meant you braindead moron.
>>47980529that....that's the point anon. shit was going south that shouldn't have, and as a result, they had to take apart their rifles to try and fix it, and died doing that. that is why telling someone to just take apart their rifle in a combat situation is stupid. it gets you killed. why are you like this?
>>47980288>they almost always reload before the mag is emptyIn lulls between fighting when we were not sure things had been fully pacified yet, sure. When actively engaging? Fuck no, we'd shoot until empty.
>>47980447Read em and weep faggot>>47980504The mag causing the malfunction was never the argument dipshit, it’s about you thinking that the FA is the only way to accomplish this shit.
>>47980511Good argument, you’re really showing who’s who in the retard debate.Protip: it’s you.
>>47980647Right, and you doing that reload almost died if it were not for the forward assist saving you a single second.
>>47980535I’m not seeing any guns faggot. Typical.
>>47980889He's a flailing retard whose last three braincells are having a meltdown, just ignore him and don't reply.
>>47980571The point is that fixing your weapon needs to happen, everyone fixing their shit at the same time is what caused the casualties. Breaking the weapon down does need to happen sometimes, but that’s not the same thing as running a charging handle a few times and thinking that is any less acceptable doing it for a failure to feed vs a double feed vs the supposed critical time you may save with the forward assist. Read the thread, I know it’s hard to follow along but just try for me.
>>47980889>>47980909You all can continue building your strawman and knocking it down, you’ve done a poor job at conveying exactly how hyper critical a forward assist is.
>>47980971Anon I am not talking about the assist I was pointing out you were wrong about how we reloaded...what the fuck dude?
>>47980994That’s fine, the whole argument is about how much time shit takes in combat and how shaving of a single second with a forward assist is irrelevant in combat. Combat reloads arent 1 second cawadooty reloads, that was the point.
Still waiting on the hasgunz ITT to post em, maybe they’re at the range putting thousands of rounds through their guns they totally have as we speak
>>47981024Whatever dude, I'm just stating your claim is not correct. We did not reload with partial mags inserted during combat. And for the record, we're taught to use the assist if we don't get a clean and obvious feed, something we're supposed to feel for after we insert a new mag and hit the bolt release. You can use the charger if something hangs up, but the assist is much more reliable for that since all you're doing with the charger is just bringing the carrier back for another go at it. Speed is not the key factor here, it's knowing that the measures you have taken to get your weapon back into the fight actually do the job. The assist is more of a sure bet in this regard. That's my 02, take it as you will.
>>47979217>Apparently that only happens to his rifle when it’s super dirty and suppressedNah, here's my clean, to-spec A1 clone getting some M193 scared to leave their USGI 20 rounders. This shit just happens every now and then, when you shoot enough you'll understand. :^
>>47980200Why is it a meme? Is it wrong to own a meme gun?
>>47981190>see? how could I shove an empty case back into battery without a forward assist? checkmate libtard >This shit just happens every now and then>to-spec A1 clone >shit just happens>to-spec>clone
>>47981316>an empty caseAnon coping levels are off the charts lmao.>>47981355100% hetero, fag.
>>47981147I can admit when I was wrong. I was wrong. Yes I know full well that the military uses the FA extensively, and like I’ve said already I’m not on a crusade against them they’re a perfectly fine addition to the rifle.
>>47981190Arg tripfags take pictures of their guns, they don’t shoot them. GTFO goatfucker.
>>47981491It’s gtg and you end up saving a little if you spec out an a2 lower.
>>47981190You know what else would coax that lil bullet there forward?Pullin that silly lil charging handle there senpai.
>>47981521Why would I do that like some autistic queer when I can just push a FA lmao.
>>47981539I suppose you are an expert at autistic faggotry, do what you will. Still waiting on the hasguns ITT to post em btw.
>>47981555I will do what a turbochad who fucks women would do; press an FA with my thumb. Racking the CH again and again, lmfao.
>>47981575>I am a turbofag who fucks women(M)FTFY nigger
>>47980333>maybe you don’t want a bolt catch abloobloo bloo Riiiight. Kill yourself
>>47981592No, I don't rack the CH to facilitate feeding.
>>47981658You might actually utilize all of the controls on your guns if you actually shot them :(
>>47981663I totally use my CH. When I load in my first mag on a closed bolt and then never touch it the rest of the day lmao
>>47972773Es muy basado jajajaja
>>47981699Sure. Which variants were slab sided and are the brownells repros shit or not?
>>47980504I'm going to find where you live and pet your dog.
>>47981715601, 602, swap out the furniture with actual surplus because the shit the repros come with is abject African AIDS.
>>47978302what are we supposed to be getting from this video clip?
>>47981419Why do you have so many pictures of your guns jamming, I thought you didnt buy cheap?
>>47981762You were suppose to get covid. Cut off all human contact for 14 days.
>>47981747Better hurry because she’s old and stinky.
>>47981748If I wanted to be autistic and get grey anodizing instead of black who can do it for me?
>>47981766All those are taken over the span of five years and are a result of bolts dropped on full mags, let's see you do 12k+ rounds without a single hiccup bizatch.
>>47974153Maybe you should try working out instead of being a little bitch, unless you got some disability which prevents you from doing it, in which case it's alright.
>>47981782Usanodizing is the go-to for actual anodization jobs, most people just get their shit molyresin'd from people like John Norrell.
>>47981748The BRN-Proto also used the slabside lower.>>47981782There's an anodizing company reccomended on Nodak Spud's site.
>>47981810I was under the impression we were discussing issued models. Either way the prototype offering is forever fucked since they discontinued it.
I still fail to see the point of the FA. It's useless imo
>>47981864>Either way the prototype offering is forever fucked since they discontinued it.Brownells discontinued theirs, but Nodak is still in production. The only thing no one's making currently is a prototype style gas block, which, desu, sucks anyway.
>>47981996I'm dubious on NDS, since they've been sold out on that for like the last 7 months.
>>47981864The A1 was grey right? My clone is not grey.
>>47982179"XM grey," and the shades could vary considerably.
>>47982096they probably do the typical hobby company thing where they wait for pre-orders to hit a certain threshold before committing to make a batch of something, or just rotate between products periodically
>>47982268like from rifle to rifle or component to component?
>>47982330I think they're likely just prioritizing the more commonly ordered shit, but they've discontinued stuff out of the blue for no apparent reason before.
>>47982360Component to component, it's hard to get dyes the exact same color time and time again, so you could have some crazy variations between upper and lower receivers, charging handles, dust covers, slip rings etc. etc. It's no different today, you'll see SCAR rifles running the gamut of brown to yellow between batches.
>>47974207>M&P Opinion discarded.
>>47982096>since they've been sold out on that for like the last 7 monthsWhen has Nodak ever had anything in stock?
>>47983374>t. niggersave your welfare checks for a real rifle.
>>47983967says the guy with a walther lmao might as well have a Taurus.
>>47972432I built one of the uppers back in 2016, still running it on a 'standard' lower with a SD-E trigger and the JP spring systemIts fantastically handy and is accurate at least out to 300 yards, but the limiting factor there is almost certainly my ability with a comp m5. Aside from not being able to be suppressed, I think its just about the best non-pistol AR you can get for 99% of civilian defensive situations.
>>47983967Whatever you say nigger faggot, trying to show of with a Walther? Kill yourself.
I've nothing anyone here has said besides the handguard have made me think this rifle is a meme
>>47983967>>47984211I'm just here to point my rifle at my screen
>>47972432The lower seems worth it, but the carbon fiber handguard among other things is really driving the price up beyond reason.The sealed fire control group is a good idea, but for the cost for the uses people use an AR for in the US it's not worth it as a whole.
>>47978986Because that's the way stoner designed it.The forward assist is just another ingress point for dirt.
>>47973921>Stop anthropomorphizingclassic post
>>47975973My AR weighs as much as my PTR without any sights. Which isn't very heavy but still.
>>47972869>Thinking goat fucker was coolThat was your mistake