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I don't really know much about this as a Yurofag. Was David Koresh abusing the kids there? Why did the the US government go in with a tank and pyrotechnics if the aim was to save the kids? And why does it have such significance in certain circles almost 30 years on?

Genuinely curious, don't mind agendaposting about it if people explain why they feel the way they do.
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>>47361988
The US govt engaged in one of its favorite pastimes; burning people alive.
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>>47361998
fpbp
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>>47361988
Nothing really important, it was a slow news week so they blew it out of proportion.
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>>47361988
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A hero was created.
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>>47361988
Waco miniseries is pretty good
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>>47361988
There is a good documentary on Amazon, watch it
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>>47362054
came here to post this. save it before jannies nuke thread
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>>47361988

There was an unreasonably strong reaction to hearsay type of evidence and plenty of mistakes in conduct of the law enforcement agencies.

There was not enough verified information yet very strong action was committed.

The reason this is a big deal is that in american society the government can sometimes be seen as suspicious, especially in the eyes of th freedom loving types.
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>>47361988
>religion + american + nuts + child abuse + bible + guns + death wish
Equals Wako.
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>>47361988
Koresh was definitely having consensual sex with underage girls. But while he surely was doing that the ATF sought to make a big show of the operation and in doing so fucked up terribly. The end result was that the BDs ended up kicking them out and the Fed fucked up massively. They then spent the next few years trying to hide the fuck up and locking BDs who only defended themselves in prison.
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>>47362230
Hello ATF
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It's not the atf's responsibility to investigate alleged child abuse.
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>>47361988
They started shooting feds.
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>>47362375
>they started
You really are a stupid mother fucker
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>>47362151
Agreed, also tells the story of Ruby Ridge in episode 1, which is what made the ATF look so bad and caused a lot of mistrust of the American government. They only managed to kill the young son and wife of Randy Weaver. Weaver did 16 months and then he won $3.1 million from his civil suit. The same dipshit sniper that killed Mrs. Weaver was at Waco. Some people debate the accuracy of the show, but for a non-American, it's probably a close enough summary, as it's based on the the book of the FBI negotiator and a BD member.
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>>47361988
>Why did the the US government go in with a tank and pyrotechnics if the aim was

That wasn't the aim. The BATFE was about to have its budget cut by Congress, and it needed a high-speed event to justify itself. Eric Holder and the Clintons had power, so the agency felt safe going full jackboot on some fundamentally harmless religious weirdoes.

They could have arrested Koresh at any time. The ATF went shooting with him, FFS, they surveilled every grocery trip he made from the farm into town. But that wouldn't look highspeed. And being idiots, once the ATF got stuck in and fucked up by the locals, who fought back in self-defense, they doubled down to save face.
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>>47362151
It's a limited hangout tbqh. It shows the government being moderately dumb and corrupt so casuals will glance over it, think hurr govt dumb, and ignore how deep the corruption and abuse really went.
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>>47362230
Ah yes, the retard made their appearance
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At least we can all laugh at the ATF agent who shot himself on the leg trying to draw his pistol while climbing a ladder.

https://youtu.be/uQ4ay9aHwUY?t=716
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instead of arresting 1 guy and trying him in court the feds burned hundreds people alive to make a point: that they don't care about the constitution and only exist to scare us into submission
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>>47361998
That picture goes some way to show how far away pawns can be led by the brass from any measure of justice
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>>47361988
REMINDER:
there are petiontions to abolish the ATF. Sign them and support them to get our rights and our lives back.
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>>47362247
At the time age of consent in Texas was 16.
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>>47362859
>The atf will abolish itself if a piece of paper has enough names on it
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>>47362944
fuck youre right. we should just sit back and do nothing, like a good goyim
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>>47362959
If you think petitions are doing something, then yes I'd rather do nothing. Jews don't care about your laws or rights or petitions. These people can not legally be stopped
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>>47362874
Read about the BDs specifically A Place Called Waco (written by a survivor). I don't think Koresh was "forcing himself" on anyone but I would describe his dalliances as inappropriate and with members below the age of 16. Of course that's no God damn excuse. ATF was 100% wrong and the comments/actions of the Texas Rangers further drive this home. If the ATF was actually worried about the law and not making a big show they could have taken Koresh very easily. The handling of Waco is disgusting and the fact that the feds involved haven't been tried for murder is inexcusable
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>>47361988
They were killing pedophiles, nothing wrong with that.
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>>47362230
>
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>>47363117
>Save the children by burning them alive
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>>47361988
>I don't really know much about this as a Yurofag
The obvious answer is obvious. That is the truth of the matter. All of the bloviation to explain away how a tank with a flamethrower crashed into a building and then immediately caught on fire at that exact point is worthless dross.
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>>47363117
>>47363143

The confidential informant that indicated pedophilia was occurring at the facility was the only person ever excommunicated from their group for pedophilia.
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>>47361988
A piece of shit antichrist Seventh Day Adventist cult leader named David Koresh was molesting kids and fucking members ' wives and had falsely declared himself "messiah". There was an armed standoff and the feds firebombed the place. What happened at Ruby Ridge was inexcusable, but the adults who died at Waco unironically deserved it.
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>>47363117
>claim the group is pedophiles
>kill all the children so they can't testify
genius
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>>47363099
Koresh falsely claimed to be the Messiah, and deserved to be burned to death just for that.
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>>47362618
Dang
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>>47363252
Yes but the government is still evil
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>>47361988
Koresh was a nut and the branch davidians weren't saints when it came to child abuse and stuff and groups like the atf and fbi were looking for a reason to raid them. turns out they sold deactivated grenades at the gift shop. the atf used this as the reason to raid them since they claimed probable cause that the branch davidians were selling assault weapons and destructive devices. they tried to start a raid but the davidians resisted this (quite rightly). this led to a siege.

During the siege local police, fbi and even the army got involved. the siege continued with both davidians and federal agents being killed and wounded. some davidians surrendered but others were gunned down whilst attempting to. this hardened the davidians resolve to keep fighting as they thought they would be killed if they surrendered. Koresh was wounded in the fighting and eventually CN gas was pumped into the compound. this is different to CS as it's more flammable, keep this in mind for later. also both are powder based irritants and if you ever blew flour into a flame in science class you can imagine what would happen. the siege went on for a while and eventually a fire started, no one knows how exactly, davidians claim the federales started it but the federales claim that the davidians where pouring gas everwhere (a claim i refuse to believe since it makes no logical sense). this led to a raging inferno that killed almost everyone inside.

Ultimately I think that the government failed to act properly when handling a group like the branch davidians and many agree. apparently the soldiers sent to help had all of their advice ignored so they gave up and went to a wendy's or something instead. Waco was an avoidable tragedy.
(sorry if grammer or spelling is bad i am very drunk)
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>>47362095
This
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>>47362095
whoa
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>>47361988
Some white guy was raping children and he knew he needed guns to defend himself since the law doesn't support pedophilia. Then when the law finally showed up he held all the kids hostage and ultimately decided to burn the evidence which is why the place burned so quick
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>>47363117
>Police Brutality/Government Oppression is okay when it's against people I don't like

Whether against niggers or Hitler, the state should follow due process.
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>>47362461
Ruby Ridge is critical to Waco and OKC. I was surprised to see them incorporate it into the series.

>>47362494
You aren't going to get mainstream funding audience and airtime if it isn't toned back a bit. They painted the .Gov in about as bad of light as could be reasonably expected.
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>>47363588
>atf hands typed this post
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>>47361988
Fuck off ESL. This is an American board
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>>47363409
I'm not arguing otherwise. For once bad guys fought bad guys.
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>>47363820
>for once bad guys fought bad guys
and it was mostly innocents that lost their lives
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>>47362095
Based and McVeighpilled.
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>>47363252
>koresh deserved _x_
Perhaps he did. But 99 others didn't deserve to be burned alive by your government.
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>>47361988
Load of American loons playing soldier murdered each other because they were retards and killed some kids as well (who had been molested). Then another American loon blew up some kids in revenge.
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>>47366643
In summary the score was
American loons playing soldier 1
Kids and a creche Nil
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>>47363117
They didn’t raid the compound for sex abuse. Kuresh was the guy they were after if that were the case.
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>>47363252
Another government faggot
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>>47361988
>ATF agents and a Doomsday pedo cult try to kill each other
That's all you need to know.
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>>47361988
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr9pQ1pIbiU&list=WL&index=3
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>>47363043

The only way to stop them is to finish what Hadrian started.
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>>47361988
Koresh is a pedo, the ATF fucked up by listening to Janet Reno. The hostage negotiator was right because he said "just wait them out, they're getting close to reaching a consensus" but Reno decided that too many people would think the ATF/Feds were soft so she gave the order to attack. (also it was expensive since cops got overtime)
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>>47362230
ALLEGEDLY

At least you destroyed all the evidence though. Even the bodies recovered were put into a trailer that was not cooled, thereby they rotted and could not be submitted as evidence.
All the pro-child-burners have now are baseless allegations and claims that they will cling to forever and yet never prove.
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>>47366955
ATF fucked up by planning and engaging in a raid they trained for months for to apprehend a guy who could have just walked out with his hands up. They knew they were a doomsday cult and instead of catching them in the act of whatever crimes they were initially charging them with they decided to put on a show for cameras only to embarrass themselves, get multiple agents killed, piss off the cultists and pouring much public sympathy to their direction (same could be said for FBI)! and starting off a prolonged siege that could have ended in a peaceful manner. Didn’t help that the FBI, US marshals, and national guard decided to reenact the siege of wounded knee by bringing out tracked APCs and playing tough guy.
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>>47366838

>We must save these kids from being abused
>By burning them alive/poisoning them with lethal concentrations of tear gas
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>>47367017

Except even the raid was unnecessary, Koresh walked to his mailbox every fucking day. The Sheriff knew this, he told the BATFE this, they still decided to try to look cool (probably to make up for how bad they fucked up Ruby Ridge) and wound up looking equal parts stupid and evil.
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>>47361988
Basically a religious group of people who are largely peaceful decided to live apart from a world they thought was corrupted. They weren't even a cult, just really religious, like Amish with guns.

The local sheriff got butthurt that they disrespected him and didn't let him abuse their people and walk all over them. He called the federal agencies (FBI/ATF).

The federal agencies got butthurt that the religious group didn't immediately emasculate themselves and beg the government to search their compound without warrants. The FBI and ATF called in bored special forces high on meth.

Stormtroopers high on meth sent a bunch of dudes to shoot the compounds dogs in the kennel out back. They also sent a bunch of dudes to ring the doorbell. BUT THE DOORBELL RINGERS FORGOT ABOUT THE KENNEL SHOOTERS. So when the dog killers started killing dogs, the doorbell ringers heard their gunshots ring out and shat their fucking pants, and opened fire with everything they had, shooting unarmed people who opened the door. Because they're high on fucking meth. The dog killers heard the doorbell shooters open fire with everything they had so they opened fire on the building as well.

The people inside were caught in a hail of gunfire, and (probably correctly) thought they were going to get exterminated. They opened fire back. Stormtroopers retreated.

The religious people put all their women and children in the safest rooms in the house away from the windows, and a standoff occurred. The stormtroopers used their standard trick of using a smoke grenade as an incendiery device - smoke grenades use a small magnesium charge to heat up the smoking material, this small magnesium charge can cause huge fires if its dropped on flammable objects like couches etc. Police are trained to drop them only on the floors, but when they want to execute someone they make sure to cause a fire.

Everyone burned alive and the women and children in the "safest rooms" died of smoke inhalation.
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>>47361988
SHALL
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>>47367129
Hear, hear! Let us not forget Ruby Ridge
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>>47363099
>>47362247
>>47362230
>>47363117
>>47363244
Wait a fucking moment, you think it's ok to "save" sixteen year old girls from consensual sex, by burning them alive?

Also >>47363179
>The confidential informant that indicated pedophilia was occurring at the facility was the only person ever excommunicated from their group for pedophilia.
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The ATF needed to justify it's continued existence, and the FBI just wanted to clean up the mess in the most pragmatic way possible,as quickly as possible.
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>>47362461
>also tells the story of Ruby Ridge in episode 1, which is what made the ATF look so bad and caused a lot of mistrust of the American government
This stuff had been going on before then though, they Waco'd a lot of tax protestors in the '70s. US LEOs like burning people alive.
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>>47367215

Its gonna start back up hard in February I bet. Biden (and his supporters and the USG) is seething because of the Bundy Ranch and Oregon and the continued defiance of those of us in "flyover country".

They literally can't wait.
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>>47361988
It's a morally grey quagmire that should've been handled much better. ATF is just as guilty as Koresh, if the allegations were true.
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>>47367251

Bullshit. US LE isn't supposed to be Spetsnaz.
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>>47367262
And they shouldn't.
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>>47367235
>bundy
Is that the case where the government chased ranchers off a huge section of public land in order to "protect turtles" but then turned around and sold the land to a Chinese solar farm?
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>>47367129
>Police are trained to drop them only on the floors, but when they want to execute someone they make sure to cause a fire.
They cornered the Dorner.
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>>47367262
Spetsnaz would never just burn people alive for no reason.

The only time they had a lot of innocents die was during Beslan, but that was a hostage situation. The people who fucked up clearly did so as an accident because they didn't know the chemical properties of the sleeping agent, and a lot of the Spetsnaz involved actually got sent to prison for criminal negligence.

ATF rolled up on a bunch of people and for NO REASON murdered them all.
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>>47367171
>>47363179
>pedo feds angrily projecting
What else is new
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>>47361988
the Clinton cabal needed a burnt offering to Moloch to stay in power
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>>47362461

Why are you mad at the sniper? It's like being mad at a Tomahawk cruise missile for hitting its target after it's launched.
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>Was David Koresh abusing the kids there?
Yes.

>Why did the the US government go in with a tank and pyrotechnics if the aim was to save the kids?
Because there weren't just kids in there, but a bunch of heavily armed nutjobs as well.

>And why does it have such significance in certain circles almost 30 years on?
Because it's one of the rare occasions where the feds didn't just let them do whatever they wanted.
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>>47367590
I'm mad at him because I'm a Jap-murrican and the only Jap-murricans that make the news do so by being incredibly horrible people.
>Horiuchi
>that rapist cop from LA
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>>47367059
>lethal concentrations of tear gas
Citation?
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>>47362461

Didn’t McVeigh used to hand out business cards with Lon’s address at gun shows? The 90s were a wild fucking time.
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>>47361998
fpbp, based, and napalm-sticks-to-kids-pilled.
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>>47368091

BOMBS AWAY MR MCVEIGH!
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>>47367301
>Spetsnaz would never just burn people alive for no reason.
But in Russia the burns you alive is the reason
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>>47368091

Yes.
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>>47368117
>>47368156
>>47368091

Though really he ought to have paid Lon a visit, not the Murrah Building.

No-one litterally no-one would have condemned him but the most blue pilled czoys and the (((press))) for that.
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>>47367301
>Spetsnaz would never just burn people alive for no reason.
Moscow Apartment bombings
murder of borris nemtsov
murder of Anna Politkovskaya
murder of Artyom Borovik
murder of Igor Ponomarev
murder of Sergei Yushenkov
murder of Yuri Shchekochikhin
murder of Otto Lacis
murder of German Ugryumov
murder of Maxim Lazovsky
murder of Vladimir Romanovich
murder of Achemez Gochiyayev
Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal
Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko
Lovely place russia.
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>>47361988
So we know the story of waco, but what about the story of OKC? did anybody question McVeigh about all the shit he did before he acted?
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>>47368168
But as it was he blew up 19 children and was executed for murder.His last meal consisted of two pints of mint chocolate chip ice cream.Then he was strapped down and executed via lethal injection like the sick animal he was
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>>47368293

How many did the feds burn/crush/gas to death in Waco? McViegh ought to not have killed kids, and went all Batman against those involved in Waco/Ruby Ridge, no disagreement, but to say he was a "sick animal" and not similarly decry ole Lon and the Waco fag brigade (starting with Reno) is disingenuous.
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>>47368365
I don't see how blowing up kids like as spastic makes you any different from murdering kids by being a loon playing soldier. Scum is scum.
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>>47368229
Moscow apartments. The original Bush did 9/11
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>>47368388

If anything the Police were worse, McViegh was 1-2 guys (unless you believe the Elohim City/Muslim connection theories), the ATF, FBI, SF ("support") should be held to a higher standard don't you agree?

They have all the training, money, experience in the world.
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>>47361988
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>>47367623
>The fed is justified in killing a shitload of people and kids to protect said kids from (((((((((((alleged)))))))))) molestation.
Anon....
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>>47368288
I'm sure a whole lot of people questioned him, and asked why he did it, and what he did beforehand.
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>>47361988
Tard religious extremists being sketchy as fuck, mind you that in and of itself is not a crime. So alphabets get all worked up and try to do a raid like they're A-list Hollywood action heroes. Except they are not and the cultists, ahem devout christian patriots (cultists, let's not kid ourselves), see through their bullshit immediately. Instead of taking a reality check and putting in the time talk things through and maybe figure out if a crime has been committed, alphabets escalate and besiege compound (because covering ass and my FEDERAL AUTHORATA!) So the cultists, DEVOUT CHRISTIAN PATRIOTS (cultists), dig in because that what regardless of whether a group is God's chosen people or just think they are that is what they do (see Masada). Couple people get shot and the shitshow is starts to get national attention (meaning people start asking questions about what and why this is going on). But before the record stops, the alphabets decide to tear gas the cultists to teach them not to shoot back. Tear gas inadvertently causes a massive structure fire and almost everyone in the compound burns to death. THE ARISTOCRATS! Washington does an investigation and finds that the whole thing was a shitshow start to finish and that the alphabets were staggeringly incompetent, which looks really fucking bad. On the other hand, the public is pretty accustomed to cultists doing really screwy and fucked up things and then dying en-mass (see Jim Jones) and it both plausible and politically expedient to chalk Waco up as another one of those. Most people buy it, mostly because they really don't care about a compound full of cultists (yeah the kids burning was fucked up, but it is what it is). Some cultist sympathizers are really fucking butthurt, but they always butthurt, and one blows up a building in OK and kills +300 people which totally makes everything better.
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>>47367623
>Yes.
How do you know that? All the kids were murdered by US Government, and the only "witness" is a man who was thrown out of the church for pedophilia.
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I watched the siege live on TV. I swear to God that they had a flame thrower mounted on the front of the tank.
The news caster said something like... "Oh, the tank caught on fire". It was such BS, you cold see a flame shooting out from the turret.
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>>47369206
Im so sleepy
Arent you getting sleepy anon?
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>>47368229

A) A good portion of those were unrelated to government activities, killed by chechens or the mob or business interests. Borovik was literally an aircraft accident, the wings of the stupid plane he was on iced up.

B) The small portion that WAS assassinated was killed for very specific reasons, none of these were killed randomly or for no reason. And Spetsnaz did not do the assasinations, that isn't their job.
Governments assassinating traitors and spies is a bit different from the government murdering a bunch of kids for fun.

tl;dr this comment >>47367301 still stands, Spetsnaz would never just burn people alive for no reason.
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>>47361988
david was a cultist bvll, he cucked dudes out of both their wives and daughters, he indoctrinated people and didnt give a shit about gun laws
he was too based for this world so the atf and fbi felt the need to remove him, and instead it only backfired.
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>>47363252
He wasn't the messiah, he was a very naughty boy.
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>>47362618
Are those go karts
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>>47362247
>definitely having consensual sex with underage girls.

how do we know it was definitely consensual and not coerced, or as is the common frame now, due to 'power imbalances'? Help sell this to a modern normie who worships #metoo
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>>47369644
>who worships #metoo
Why?
How do we know? hard to say since they were murdered, but a good indicator would be pedos got booted off the ranch
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>>47369638

Yes.
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>>47369644
If you want to be technival about it, we dont even know if there was sex at all.
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Everyone is bluepilled as hell ITT
watch "Waco: The Big Lie" and that will tell you what you need to know.
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>>47368388
>"I didn't define the rules of engagement in this conflict. The rules, if not written down, are defined by the aggressor."
Feds burned kids alive at waco. Kys dumb bootlicker.
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https://youtu.be/3iOffdlw6yk
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Is it true SAS "advisors" or something of that kind were there at Waco?
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>>47371762

>SAS
>US

No. Special Forces/Delta was though, supposedly "advising" but maybe more, after FBI and ATF got their asses shot off by a bunch of hicks with rifles.

Hell the (FBI HRT) Hostage Roasting Team being there was bad enough (this is where they earned the moniker) and to this day they try to bill them as the USDM equivalent of Delta and allegedly there is some... movement between groups (HRT members in combat zones/Afghanistan).

In reality it just proves that these "people" aren't gods despite the media billing (as if our foreign adventures didn't prove that already).

>>47371263

Which is what I was saying if you wanna condemn McVeigh, you need to be at least as pissed at the Government since, you know, they had numerous organizations with limitless budgets, almost unlimited time for training and planning the raid, and their "final solution" was what it was.

McVeigh was a dumb redneck that was pissed off with a bunch of ANFO and a Ryder truck. Could he picked his target better? Yes. Is killing kids bad? Yes. But McVeigh didn't start us down that road, FBI HRT did. McVeigh didn't start with the killing of women and children non-combatants, Lon H. did. Like I said before, if he went after Reno or Lon (or any other HRT members at both) he'd probably have a goddamn Statue. People (kids) don't remember what it was like in the US prior to OKC (and especially 9/11), the Right HATED the fucking Government.
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>>47369816
No, that "show" portraits the ATF in a better light than they actually were. The shitshow didnt happen due to incompetence and shitty chain of command, the cops involved didnt cry or show regret for what they did and it was all intentionally covered up and disinfo was placed out in the media way before they started killing the children and women.
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>>47367235
Bundy deserves what he gets. Hope he gets domed
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>>47367278

Exactly.

>>47372219

I kinda do as well, maybe that will be the spark to start decorating the lampposts, since the Steal apparently isn't going to do it.
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>>47368117
GET THE FEDS OUT OF DIXIE!
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>>47368293
The feds decided children were acceptable targets first. Knowing that those tyrannical subhumans go home every night and look at their child's empty bed for hours brings a smile to my face.
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>>47369206
There's a video of that tank on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vk_-Vuf2rY
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>>47365916
Yes, they did, for willingly following an antichrist. I feel bad for the kids, but the adults deserved it for worshipping Koresh and joining a cult.
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>>47364144
People who worshipped David Koresh and believed his false messianic claims were not "innocent."
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>>47366815
I already said it was evil vs evil. It is abhorrent that the ATF burned those kids, but Koresh and his cult absolutely deserved to burn to death. Anybody who accepts anyone other than Jesus as the Messiah deserves execution.
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>>47369617
I said that he falsely claimed to be. Koresh and his followers were human filth. There is only one man who is God, and that is Jesus Christ. Any other human claiming that title in any firm, and anyone who follows them, definitely deserve to be executed.
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>>47367278
Guy owed money he didn't want to pay. Then he started some shit and in the end his supporters footed the bill and the government backed away like they said they would
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>>47372516
>>47372496
>>47372502

Fuck you, Rome should have finished you off.

>You must believe exactly as me otherwise we'll burn you to Death

How very Medieval/Muslim of you, why do you fuckers hate Freedom?
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>>47362095
The ATF and other assorted glowniggers are truly sick and evil people to use innocent children as human shields.
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>>47372529
That is not remotely what happened.
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Twt and no Biden cover up. How short are your memories? You all deserve what's coming.
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>>47372525
There is only One God and Mohammed is His Prophet
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>>47367731
Pretty well known that tear gas is highly flammable in high concentration, like a grain silo particle explosion. Also pretty well known that the ATF pumped tear gas into the building until the people who could were basically stuck between getting shot on the roof or burning alive.
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>>47363588
>just trust me, bro
> the ATF has your best interests at heart.
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This same thread is always so good for exposing the pro-agency agents and button pushing trolls when the true facts are so obvious and the coverup still so blatantly pathetic. And it usually starts with the same post
>pardon my engrish, wut rearry happen?
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>>47373224
I hate pedophiles and i wish them an horrible death and torture.
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>>47373235
>drinking coolaid
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>>47373235

>Trusting the USG

I seriously hope you don't do this.
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So basically this guy started a cult, people didn't like them but it was debatable if they were actually breaking the law.
Undeniably the were persecuted by local government.
Police surrounded their commune and a fire-fight ensued, and the commune was set on fire by police.
Most people saw it as the state persecuting citizens, and manufacturing a situation in which they could just shoot all the people- very much like the 'no-knock" raids of the 2000's.

The police were accused of a cover-up, and having shot so many people who would probably have testifies against them, there remains a lot of critical theories.

It's significant culturally because it shows Americans why they need guns
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>>47373164
Just look at a documentary to see all the ex cult nuts that left before the raid complaining about his obsession with their kids
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>>47372525
Based booksheep
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>>47372938
Thats not a citation though for that exact incident.
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>>47372560
I'm not Muslim at all. Muslims deny Christ, and should therefore be exterminated. Why should we tolerate incorrect beliefs? Your "tolerance" is what has allowed faggots, trannies, BLM idiots, and other filth to run around everywhere. "Tolerance" has directly led to the decay of western civilization. Koresh was an antichrist, his followers were filthy heretics who were members of an offshoot of another heretical cult. It's sad that children died. The adults deserved it.
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>>47372900
Muhammed was an insane pedophile. And you apparently worship a demon, or nothing at all. If do not have the Son, you do not have the Father. Repent while there is time, Saracen filth.
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>>47373796

What makes your magical sky-daddy real and none of the other hundreds of millions not? What makes your interpretation of your total real magical sky-daddy correct and not the hundreds of others?
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Somewhat related: The Tom Woods show episode on Ruby Ridge is very informative and I enjoyed it immensly, as a yuro.
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>>47373817
Lol, this argument. Truth is truth. God is real. Jesus is Lord. The Talmud is evil and filled with lies. Muslims are retards and often insane. Jerking off to Thor 2: Ragnarok isn't a real religion. Atheism is idiotic (and a lack of a first cause or primary mover directly contradicts the laws of thermodynamics.) And you will never, ever be a woman.
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>>47373824
Ruby Ridge was an actual tragedy, and all officers involved deserve to be executed. Obviously murdering the Weaver family for no reason is evil, and is not the same thing as burning insane cultists to death.
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>>47373235
So did David Khoresh which is why he exiled a pedophile from his congregation.

This pedophile then went to work for FBI and claimed Koresh was a bad man.
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The coverup afterwards was also extraordinarily corrupt.

The BATFE claimed there were suppressors in the wreckage which turned out to be their own flashbangs. Thermal camera footage was disappeared from secure storage. Even the front double-doors to the compound were disappeared, after local police pointed out the bullet holes in them would show direction of fire, indicating who shot first.
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>>47373838

Or its all bullshit and impossible to know. But hey keep repping the King of Kikes, the Truth is that only you are responsible for your actions, and this life is the only one you are guaranteed.
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>>47372525
>reeeeee children definitely deserve to be executed in the name of my lord reeeeeee
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>>47373452
>persecuting citizens
Meh, I guess cold blooded murder in the first degree is persecution.
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>>47362375
>They were shooting back at feds.
ftfy
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>>47362247
>Koresh was definitely having consensual sex with underage girls.

He was married to them, however.
While I personally think polygamy is fucking wrong
Secular government has no right to intrude or regulate religious marriage or officiate it in any way whatsoever
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>>47363588
Shut the fuck up glow nigger.
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Lookup WACO: A New Revelation on youtube. It has good anaylsis of footage, eyewitness testimony, and confressional hearings. Janet Reno and the vice head of the FBI wanted to make the ATF more powerful so they turned Waco into a battle rather than de escelate things. FBI, ATF, and damned bloody DELTA FORCE gassed everyone inside, waged psychological warfare, and burnt everything down. There''s even footage of deltas shooting the buildings point blank.
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>>47373978
>>47373882
Jesus is Lord. Repent or burn.
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>>47375907
Meant for >>47373869
too
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>>47373452
idk if feds cared about cults n shit even if they where a bunch of pedos they just wanted a cool story for the media where they are the heros that save america from the devil gun owners ofcourse after they showed the minimum resitance they felt entitled to erradicate every single one of them
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>>47362375
>fire on people
>get shot back at
>wow what the fuck
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>>47373796
This is the most un-Christian shit I’ve ever read and you should be ashamed
I bet you don’t even practice Good Friday and haven’t been to church in years
Go call your mother
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>>47376071
Scripture clearly warns against antichrists like Koresh. The Church used to get rid of such filth. And we fought the Muslims too.
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>>47375907

Based on your example ITT, If Heaven is full of people like you, I'll gladly take Hell.
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>>47362054
This sums it up best
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>>47369638
>>47369753
But ATF told me that the kids were being abused not having fun with gocarts!
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>>47376090
>we fought the Muslims too
Apparently lost.
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>>47368996
That so called cultist is a true patriot, anon
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>>47363588
Good got, $0.50 has been direct deposited into your bank account
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>>47375907
So abortions are okay? For non-believers?
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>>47376004
that was a fed trying to save a kid at the window. They were using the kid as bait
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>>47373852
>Be top pedo
>get rid of other pedos which gravitate towards you so more kids for you
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>>47377444
>poor quality bait
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>>47373978
I mean in the years before the event, because it's important to see that the police were not dealing in good faith.
>>47375978
No there was (as with most cults) a series of issues between the group and the community.

I don't think anyone cared about the fact the group had guns, someone on the ground thought it was some urgent mission to save children from pedophiles.
They approached it like a hostage situation, but some of the cops just wanted to shoot the cultists- the fact it wasn't just local police was very telling
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>>47372093
Well, as long as you see the rare footage, there's no reason to just take it at face value any more.
Whatever spin on it they wanted to push is more or less irrelevant to the viewer base, imo.
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>>47363532
the feds had their chance to safely capture Koresh before the siege, local law enforcement tried to get them to. They refused, that alone shows this was about making an example of those people.
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>>47361988
I couldnt resist
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>>47375770
Just killing everyone isnt a bad plan, if you prioritizes killing terrorists and saving people second terrorists will figure out hostages dont work. The people will probably be mad though
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>>47361988
>Was David Koresh abusing the kids there?
The evidence strongly suggest that he was not.

>Why did the the US government go in with a tank and pyrotechnics if the aim was to save the kids?
US police, and the atf especially, are a terrible combination of cowardly, stupid, and belligerent. This is behind basically every stupid thing they do.
>And why does it have such significance in certain circles almost 30 years on?
They slaughtered people on live TV for the crime of... wrongthink. We should have revolted that day.
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>>47361988
also
>why does it have such significance in certain circles almost 30 years on?
Because distrusting the government is normal and ingrained into our society, and our conspiracy theorists have actually been right. Look up MK ultra for an example.

I'm not soem fringefag, and I firmly believe they killed them for fucking fun.
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>>47378456
>They killed them for fucking fun
That's just straight up satanic man
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>>47378438
>cowardly, stupid, and belligerent
I never really understood what the deal is with the ATF- how did they become like this?
Was there a cultural drive? Something in recruitment? Edicts from up top?
I always just assumed petty power seeking cops saw a federal position as a promotion where ordinary cops saw it as a shit-squad, and so they accumulated all the cowardly arrogant power seeking cunts in the force
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Basically just Ruby Ridge part 2, ATF wanted to show the country how cool they were and ended up fucking up in the worst way imaginable.
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>>47378295
god i hate these edits fucking zoomers
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>>47377261
No. Why would they be? I said that it was a tragedy that the children died. All of the adult cult members deserved it because they believed the lies of a false messiah.
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>>47372629
Yes it is. The entire crux of this was the guy being a retarded boomer who wanted to continue paying in the exact same way he had been doing since the 80s even after it was clearly explained to him that what he was doing was nonsensical.

It would be like trying to say that a municipal water service has no right to cut off your water because you kept sending paper checks to a building they haven't occupied in 20 years.
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>>47378678
But what if he was the real deal?
That would certainly account for the ATF, FBI, National guard, spec ops advisors, tonks....
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>>47378574
Inferiority complex vis a vis not being the military. Same reason you see cops with fucking punisher skulls- they saw the military do it, so now they do.

Also, they're dumb as fuck and are constantly told about how they're fighting a war on drugs, need to dominate encounters, ect, despite statistically not working a very dangerous job. Meanwhile, you cna't criticize them because.... people treat them like soldiers, and criticism is either ungrateful, unpatriotic, or outright proof that YOU are a criminal.


You know your annoying boomer neighbor?
It's his fucking fault. Not irony, not memeing, that generation let this shit happen and won't let it be fixed, because cops breaking skulls and killing niggers makes them feel safe.
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>>47372516
>>Anybody who accepts anyone other than Jesus as the Messiah deserves execution.
You suck
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>>47378819
So you think the military is given a special social status, and police get stuck in this fake it until you make it dynamic?

It's a very American phenomenon, in most other white countries police just scold people.
Super common here to see police yell at someone "what are you doing, are you normal?"
and the person spaghetti out and the police say "go away from this place'.
They don't even care if there is a crime or not, it applies equally to people just being retards and there is rarely the need for arrest or paperwork.

Sometimes if police are being assholes to someone who is just drunk or a bit strange, local people will just come and kind of carry the person off and cuck the police.
"he is fine I take him home" "this man my neighbor", many people come at once and obstruct the police from their job and police become buthurt and yell at all the local people to go away and they get in their car and everyone laughs on them
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>>47378718
This desu.

>want to graze cows
>do it on public land
>they threaten to confiscate your cows if you keep doing it
>HELP I'M BEING OPPRESSED
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>>47379008
>America
>White country
Ask me how I know you've never step foot on this soil.
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>>47373452
>It's significant culturally because it shows Americans why they need guns
If people at Waco didn't have guns - they'd be arrested and most of them, if not all, would be released. Escalating conflict to a gunfight works against nigger robbers, but it's a guaranteed suicide against the whole government.
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>>47362095
McFag killed innocent people and committed assisted suicide.
He should've just offed himself first.
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>>47379045
Arrested for what?
They wanted blood amigo
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>>47361988
they were stockpiling weapons
the apc is to transport people under fire and batter down door
smoke grenades can explode / ignite combustibles

Why do so many people who go on about waco and tear their hair out and gnash their teeth and cry about the big government then also condemn BLM and support police brutality?
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This
The unedited photo is enough to shock the fuck out of normies, with a brief enough explanation of the context
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>>47375822
Based
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>>47377444
>>a fed trying to save a kid at the window.
What are you smoking?
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>>47378943
Jesus is Lord.
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>>47379024
You are correct in your assessment
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>>47379177
Hay-zus is the gardener
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>>47379047
>>McFag killed innocent people and committed assisted suicide.
How many innocents has the US government killed in the last 20 years?"
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>>47379206
You seem very antagonistic toward Christianity. Are you jewish, by chance?
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>>47362036
There probably weren't any movies in theaters at the time. It's amazing how small things like make things stand out in the American conciousness
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>>47379221
3. 3 were innocent.
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>>47362230
Glowing especially brightly today, aren't we?
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>>47361988
I was pretty young when it happened, but basically it was religious nutjobs doing religious nutjob stuff, and a lot of rumors floating around about machine guns and child abuse. So rather than have local law enforcement handle it, at least 2 different federal agencies, all using different rules of engagement and all refusing to communicate with each other, decided to have a dick waving contest between themselves and David Koresh. Koresh basically saw the govt response to his cult as 100% spot-on fulfillment of biblical prophecy, and went total religious nutjob mode. He made a bunch of bad calls, the guys running the different groups of feds made a bunch of bad calls, and a lot of people died over the fact that Koresh, the FBI lead, and the ATF lead all wanted to prove they had the biggest sick in the room.
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>ATF and FBI wanted big televised blockbuster mass arrest so they could get more funding
>ended up burning a bunch of kids to death
>whoops
that’s basically it
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>>47378295
Mega cringe
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>>47361988
There was all sorts of scummy cult shit going on. Koresh was probably abusing the hell out of his followers.
Doesn't change the fact that local PD could have picked him up for questioning at anytime, and the siege only happened because the ATF wanted funding and the Clinton admin wanted to look all law and order tough on militia types.
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>>47363252
Second coming of Christ here, I declare this post as retarded.
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>>47379047
...can you name a war you supported? Wait, name one in which no innocent people died.
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>>47380419
He made very bad calls. Remember when the ATF came and he went outside and invited them in, but they shot his dogs and then opened fire on the entire building? What a fucking nut job David was. Then the evidence got lost.
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>tfw the feds were blasting this among other things during the night to deprive the davidians of sleep
>https://youtu.be/rypT2qMO1RY
kinda based desu
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>>47361988
Fucking nothing happened here. Jesus Christ, why do you guys have to be so obsessed about this shit?
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>>47381246
>t. fed
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>Inferiority complex vis a vis not being the military.
This bears repeating

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was getting shot part of their plan? this didn't seem like the best entry point
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>>47377444
>They were using the kid as bait
heh
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>>47381004
>name one in which no innocent people died.

WWII
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>>47379111

Because the niggers deserve it (and worse), Koresh and the Davidians didn't. Fuck BLM, fuck MOVE, Philly PD did nothing wrong.

>>47379294

No but your "religion" has enslaved Whites to ((them)), thanks Chirstnigger. At one time Christianity may have been redeemable, but now, its absolutely worthless and must be discarded, one of the most powerful methods of control ((they)) have. Even something complete LARP tier like Wicca or Asatru or the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Cthulhu is better than modern (((CHRISTIANITY))).
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>>47384049
The Church and the jews have been enemies for a long time. Kikes hate Jesus. Jesus is Lord. Nothing you can say will change that.
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>>47384049
You failed to answer "are you jewish?".
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>>47371919
>the Right HATED the fucking Government.
When did we stop?
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>>47384072

Yeshua's title literally was "King of the Jews". Jesus is the name of your yard man or roofer.

Whether the Jews hate Jesus or Christianity is irrelevant, it just makes your cucking and sucking up to them even sadder. Unless you are Christian Identity or some other LARP tier denomination (which is sadder somehow because instead of rejecting or kissing their asses, you play the Black 'WE WUZ JEWS' card).

I grew up in a very conservative denomination. Southern Baptist, thankfully I grew up and realized it was just another propaganda arm of Globohomo, the safe, controlled, opposition.
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>>47384091

I answered here >>47384100 White, Southern (Alabamian) Baptist. Mostly Potato Nigger with some French blood.

>>47384098

When W came into office, and then Trump.
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>>47384100
I don't suck up to the kike vampires at all. They are human filth. As are you apparently. Hopefully you get right with God and join the Church. It's always pathetic to see some retard who thinks he's got everything figured out on his own.
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>>47384049
No Pagan has any dogma and have no set of beliefs they are willing to commit to, and when pressed they abandon ship.

There’s an idea of paganism; some kind of abstraction. But there is no real belief: only a larp, something illusory. And though you can buy your Thor pendants, and shit on “Christcucks” and maybe even read a few articles, the belief is simply not there.
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>>47384134

I agree, its all a LARP now, every bit of it. I still much prefer Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard over the Bible. Also Pagans have way better bands.

>>47384114

Where does your offering go again? What denomination are you so I can shit upon you properly?
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>>47384049
Kys schizo
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>>47363588
People actually believe this
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>>47367731
You can’t breath tear gas, dude. Any gas in high concentration can kill you by preventing you to breath in oxygen, let alone an irritant.
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>>47380761
>Clinton admin wanted to look all law and order tough on militia types.
Just ask the Viper Militia.
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>>47384652
There were a ton of gaping holes in the building though.

Most of the gas had dispersed by the time the fires started.
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>>47384621
>not seeing obvious bait as obvious bait
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>>47361988
Better question is why was the ATF serving a warrant for child molestation.
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>>47384961

Because the Chomo and Meth lab shit was a post-hoc justification for what happened. What turns people against you quick? Drug Dealing and Child Molestation, Cult is another ad-hom trigger word to dehumanize the opposition.

>>47384538
NoU, Sharblue
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My nephew and a couple of his friends drove from Louisiana to Waco when shit was going down just to steal the welcome to Waco sign.
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>>47384836
tear gas and CN gas is heavier than air. it simply does not just "escape" through holes like that, it would have gone down, like into the basement.
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>>47361988
They tried to form their own isolated ghetto like the jews did in Europe in cities where outsiders weren't allowed in. Also to diddled kids like jews do today.
American government didn't want another cult like the jews to emerge so they smashed it. Kind of like Manson Family
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>>47361988
Most bad people are just incompetent, some are malicious.
The government is both.
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>>47362533
wow nice normie rapper meme, thanks for bringing that here
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>>47361988
this post is just glowboys trying to mine our information

don't shoot my dog
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>>47362230
ATF Agent hands typed this post
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>>47390360
https://youtu.be/EERUfMxOZ0k part 1
https://youtu.be/ZdnMlqwOcTY part 2
https://youtu.be/SnYLi45UXdg part 3
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>>47390360

Can't be having the goyi--- I mean people having too much to think. Exposure to facts and logic may cause anuddah shoah
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>>47368388
But if you think about it, one's child is their legacy on earth. Often people care more about their children than themselves.
It makes sense that a NON-animal would consider that the best way to get back at the feds would be to take from them what they destroyed. Attacking them is one thing, but it's not impossible to recognize the merits of erasing their sick and deranged bloodlines.



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