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DIRTY BIRDS edition

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>>47306508

Pastebin:
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Burt is a retard who doesn't actually shoot his man jewelry.
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Sieg is a fat greasy fuck
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Burt Gummer = liberal Hollywood actor, anti-gun faggot from yesteryear, now a geriatric.
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>>47357679
>Burt Gummer
>Gross is a passionate railfan with an extensive collection of railroad antiques. He is an amateur railroad historian, photographer, modeler, and part-owner in a working railroad, the Santa Fe Southern Railway, a former branch line of the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway which operates between Lamy and Santa Fe, New Mexico.[11] He is also the spokesman for the World's Greatest Hobby campaign sponsored by the Model Railroad Industry Association that promotes the hobby of model railroading. He has also been a spokesperson for Operation Lifesaver, a campaign promoting safety at railroad grade crossings.[12]

>Since 2009, Gross has been the "celebrity spokesman" for the B&O Railroad Museum in Baltimore, Maryland.[13] He is the host of the B&O Railroad Museum Television Network on YouTube. He is also a member of the Santa Fe Railway Historical Society.

Huh, he doesn't seem so bad

>r] I had led a very conservative, lower middle class, straight-arrow kind of existence and, somewhere around 40 years of age, I thought I had to shake things up a bit. Call it male menopause.
>Lincoln project shit on twitter

Damn, what a shame. Could be worse due to his Chicago and California heritage.
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https://www.fagbook.com /ActorMichaelGross

oof
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Oh hey guys!
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>>47357885
>the election result is under budget and ahead of schedule, and I won
Is it bad that I unironically think this would have been better than letting Democrats cheat by adding hundreds of thousands of votes at 4:00 am that all went to Biden, only in the swing states?
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>people mad at Burt again
What'd he do (or didn't do) this time?
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>>47357928
Digging the grips. Burt what pocket rocket .32 should I get? I'm tired of lugging a full size sig and a 4" .38 next to my dick
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>>47357928
>>47358176
Please don't samefag.
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>>47358176
Why all the way down to .32? Yeah super tiny .380s suck to shoot but it's not supposed to be a range toy.
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>>47358034
Some retard started getting autistic about CZ versus Glocks forgetting that he was in /hg/ and not the rest of /k/. He can only target Burt cause he was the only trip that called him retarded.
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>>47358357
I posted >>47357679 and I don't know what you're referring to. I just don't like the way he makes these completely useless general threads full of morons, including himself, since his advice is frequently completely off-base, and then sends out his lackeys to shit in the real handgun threads about "hurr u should have posted this in /hg/, never make a separate handgun thred, we self-quarantine on this board." This is what you fags get. This is revenge. You worship a guy who goes by the name of a liberal Hollywood actor.
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>>47358403
You're autistic.
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>>47358435
This is 4chan. It's more of an insult to be called utistic.
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>>47358463
Nigger
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>>47358467
>owns a beretta brand prollem solva
>calls OTHER people the nigger
Stop projecting.
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Got my Colt history letter in. I wish my local hardware store still sold guns.
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>>47358403
I don't ever refer people to /hg/ because those "real" handgun threads inevitably devolve into CZ and Glock fags arguing with each other with the one muh sig mim guy. The only decent handgun threads outside of /hg/ are BP and revolver threads.
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>>47358616
Isn't that just because the lincoln project guy doesn't like revolvers? so he's not in those threads, anonymously or tripped up.
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>>47358034
It comes and goes. /hg/ is just fine for a few weeks but inevitably some random dude comes and stirs the pot.
>>47358403
/hg/ is usually pretty casual, man. Burt isn't the sole proprietor of the threads. Everyone makes them and contributes. No one worships anyone here, and there certainly aren't "lackeys" that are sent out like probes just looking for handgun posts in other threads.
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>>47357557
1. Is a mantis X10 worth it?

2. Can a Security Six handle full house 357 bear loads, buffalo bore type stuff? I’m looking for a wheelgun to be my woods gun when in black bear country (no grizz here). Would rather have a SS over a GP100 for aesthetics but I don’t want to give an old gun a premature death with meme loads.

Or do I need a 44?
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>>47358665
>be an insufferable tripfag
>post the same photos of your walthers and filco keyboard you took 8 years ago
>people get annoyed
>s-stop stirring the pot!
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>>47358709
>1. Is a mantis X10 worth it?
A class from a competent instructor and mindful dry fire practice would be much more useful.
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>>47358766
You realize that you can filter him, right anon? If it really bothers you that much.
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>>47358709
The security 6 is a tank. It'll be fine.
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>>47358808
Can’t filter him when he posts anonymously.
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>>47358804
A course with a serious instructor would cost 2-3x the Mantis at least.

The point would be to have metrics on my dry fire, which is hard to do by feel and eye alone.
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Guys, I finally have disposable money to get one of my previous poorfag unobtanium guns. Which of these would you get, a 4 inch MR 73 or a short slide cz 75 from their custom shop (since I can't find any originals for sale right now)?
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>>47358820
Oh, does that happen a lot? Burt posts anonymously, with his super obvious Walther and keyboard photos?
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>>47358847
MR73 personally, less likely to ever get B&, and also just more unique.

But you do you.
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Howdy fellers
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>>47358823
Then you need to ask yourself what you want to focus on. If you want to practice your trigger pull during live and dry fire you can try out the MantisX. If you want to practice your draw stroke and breaking that first shot on target you might want to look at a laser system like an iTarget.
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>>47358868
No, he's just making excuses for being lazy and not understanding how this website functions.
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>>47358873
I was leaning that way, if only because I know there are two sitting in AZ that I wouldn't have to wait on. the repo, if I can't find an original, is also cheaper if I go for it later.
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>>47358847
Oh man that's tough but I'd want the MR73 because the CZC short rails are, I dunno, fake somehow. The appealing part about short rails is that they stopped making them, to just turn out some new ones imo takes what's special about them away. Like when Olt started making Pythons again with changes.

To me, something like a TSO would be more appealing than a CZC short rail for that money. Or a Sphinx or Phoenix!

>>47358876
Hey man!
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this thread lacks 1911
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>>47358317
Already did a few .380s and still have a PA-63. Any smaller than that and I'm not a fan of the .380.

Reasons for going .32 are 1) looking for a legit pocket gun and 2) looking to get a Skorpion anyway

>>47358309
Whatever fagbot
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>>47358709
The S6 is just a marginally simpler GP100 and you don't need 1600fps for black bears. They're smalls as fuck and damn near any respectable flat nose non expanding bullet with do.
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>>47358847
I vote MR97
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New shooter here, why are my groups going right? Using a 92FS. Still struggling with blinking when firing and trigger control, but I always thought that led to groups going left not right
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Man I'm starting to feel a little less solid about getting a range membership. My 30 cpr 9mm source is much less consistent now and I'm down to 1k rounds. I have 600 "on the way" from OpticsPlanet but that's been pushed back every month for the last three.

I have a Mantis X3 that I can use for all sorts of dry fire, but you don't get to practice the follow up shots.

Anyone have recs for range day follow up shot drills that are the best bang for your buck in terms of ammo expenditure?
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>>47359911

Also, with the X3, if I get a magazine adapter to practice from the holster, is that going to give me accurate feedback? I know the X10 has specifics built in for draw work, but can I still do, say, Shot Timer stuff out of the holster without fucking up whateve algorithm is going on?
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>>47359292
I guess there's the Beretta 3032 and Seecamps, I don't really know about .32s sorry. It seems like there's really strong diminishing returns below a Ruger LCP, you can get a little smaller in a Seecamp .32, ora little smaller still with some of the early 20th century .25 vest pistols, pic related far right. I always thought it would be really cool to have a Beretta 92, scaled down perfectly to .32 ACP scale lol like a 40% 92FS.

>>47359638
It could be you or it could be sights or even the ammo, first step is to shoot the pistol calmly from a rest to help figure out which one it is!
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>>47358176
Keltec if you appreciate lightweight, its 10oz loaded.
Seecamp if you like tiny.
Tomcat if you are into style points.
P32 is the only one that makes sense to me because the other two weigh the same as an LCR.
On second thought, just get a .38 LCR.
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i just like it bros
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>>47358709
Honestly I think hardcast 9mm is better than .357 just because theres less recoil and more BBs.
Nevertheless, everyone should have a .357. I recommend an old Dan Wesson. It's basically a beefier 586. You get the best of old world craftsmanship (beautiful blueing, style) and can still shoot heavy loads because the forcing cone is reinforced.
I got mine for $350 this summer.
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CZ clone checking in
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Rate my latest purchase. Also, what IWB holster would you gys recommend?
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>>47358809
Nice gat anon
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>>47361048
>Chink colored
>Glock
Jeez anon one or the other but not both...
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>>47361505
I really like the color and it's my first Glock. I had my USP for a few years now and I figured I should get another 9mm, everybody always talks about Glocks so I thought I should give it a chance
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>>47357557
I’ll admit I haven’t cleaned it in months.
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>>47357557
Is this shit supposed to stick out past the rear of the slide?
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>>47362784
No. You should return that gun, its a known defect, makes mustard gas when you shoot it.
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>>47362784
Why did you block out the proof mark?
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>>47362784
It's defective you should sell it to me and I'll dispose of it properly.
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>>47362945
Yes
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>>47361048
The color is atrocious anon.
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should be getting a Beretta92A1 next week
any recs for parts i should swap? recs for lights i can put on it?
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>>47363086
If you're newguns or if it's your first handgun, I wouldn't swap anything out until you shoot it a bit. Then maybe install a D spring, G conversion, and some fancy grips if you want
If you've been shooting for a while, the langdon trigger job in a bag is only like $165 and it's a great upgrade.
For lights, get a tlr-1 HL or surefire x300u
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>>47363086
>>47363348
This.

You might consider a non-HL TLR-1 for indoor use, or in place of the TJIAB consider just the LTT OP Trigger Bar, it does a lot for less money. Don't feel like you need to spend money!
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sheeeeeeeeit
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I want to take the pastapill once I finally get out of my ban state and go big when I do. How does the 92X compare to the LTT 92s?
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>>47357885
>pic
holy shit fukken gotem
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Is the P320 compact a good handgun for someone who's never had one and rarely shot one before? Intended use is for initially just practicing at indoor ranges, then eventually CCing
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I want a subcompact handgun and I was looking at the Canik TP9 Elite SC. A guy I know carries it and swears by it. So is it g2g or are there better options out there?
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>>47363967
Base model LTTs would be roughly similar to Berettas, but with their drop in features and frame milling, so not a whole lot different other than the barrel. The higher tier ones have fire control group work.

>>47364001
It's not a bad option but not a particularly good one either. If you intend to carry it I'd bring the firing-in-holster lawsuit to your attention and let you decide. What has you narrowed way down to the P320 specifically? What's your ownership/skill level with handguns?

>>47364059
There are certainly better options but probably not for the money. TP9s are good guns.

I feel feeble with everything being out of stock and at wacky prices, I can't give many alternatives :(
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>>47357557
Pocket Carry:
Beretta 21A
Beretta 3032
Colt Mustang Pocketlite 380
Seecamp 32
S&W Model 42

Which one/ any other suggestions
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>try almost every gunshop in my area.
>only thing left is high end 1911's and revolvers, also random junk 22lr guns.
>panic buyers bought up all the good shit in the area.

fuck me.
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>>47365242
>high end 1911s and revolvers
You despicable cretin that IS the good stuff.
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>>47365309
sorry if I dont want to carry around a outdated gun or a gun that costs me over 2k.
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>>47365396
>t.prospective g19/p365 buyer
Kys
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>>47365237

Mustang sucks dick. Bought one, didn’t like it, bought the Sig 9mm version instead. Damn colt never would feed right.

Seecamp is a fun little fucker. Highly recommended, but 32 is a little tricky to come by.
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>>47361048
Winnie the Glock
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Opportunity to swap my P01 for a Sig P232. Thoughts?
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>>47365610
For fun or for carry?
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>>47365610
Seems like a bad or at least not beneficial trade for financial reasons, and a significant firepower downgrade. You just want somethin else?
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>>47365237
>Pocket Carry:
Not recommended for your primary weapon. Fine for a NY reload, but please don't pocket carry if that's your only g un.
>Beretta 21A
Caliber is too small.
>Beretta 3032
They are flawed and tend to crack.
>Colt Mustang Pocketlite 380
They jam. The Sig Sauer P238 runs reliably, but they have certain issues unique to Sig QC. For example, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu6nZ7LBs34
>Seecamp 32
They jam and don't have sights, but the NAA Guardian .32 feeds everything and has sights. I like the Guardian, but if you can conceal a Ruger LCP, that would be the better defensive option.
>S&W Model 42
Good gun. Some people can pocket-carry a revolver, some can't. It depends on your body shape, I think. For me, this would be absolutely enormous and non-viable in my front pants pocket.
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>>47358847
>>47359204
>>47358873
>>47358900
Speaking of, what is the best method for searching for an original short rail, where to look, what keywords to search? I assume it is just best to be proactive and type "CZ 75 short rail" into GB once a day. to those who have one how did you find them?
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>>47365927
The best way to solve your problem would be to deprogram yourself, realize that you are being influenced by an anime that was written by a man who has never held a real gun in his life, and stop trying to waste $3000 on a piece of shit gun that would literally only be worth about $300 if not for weeaboos with more money than sense driving the price up.
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>>47365927
When you realize that in virtually every Youtube video about a short rail CZ 75, the gun's owner is a mentally ill man in a dress, you'll realize how stupid you were to start down this path.
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>>47365846
>>47365841
P01 is too big for carrying and I need something just a bit smaller. Heard excellent things about the 232 and for my purposes and location .380 is ok
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Why don't other magazines have a way to prevent over-insertion?
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>>47357557
Looking to get my first handgun, I was think a Polymer80. Tell me I'm dumb.
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>>47366149
Polymer80 is not a gun, which is why you can get it shipped to your house.
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>>47366149
You're dumb unless that's your only option.
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>>47366040
I love my P-01 for carry but different strokes. Keep in mind that P232 and spare parts have been discontinued for a number of years. Have you considered a Glock 26?

>>47366065
Every gun I've owned over-insertion is prevented by the magazine's base pad.
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>>47366174
Yeah I know... They make kits.
>>47366175
How's that? Seems a strict upgrade over a stock glock.
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>>47366224
Not guaranteed to be compatible with Glock parts or holsters. Get an off the shelf gun unless a P80 is actually your only option.
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Found this on reddit, they use this for home defense and don't carry it lol.
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>>47366204
I have, but I'm not the biggest fan. I guess I'll go back to the drawing board.
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>>47366204
Also, it's simple blowback, how often could parts break in it? I guess availability is more the issue than cost, but weren't they made through 2014?
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Are Cimmaron 1911s any good? Im looking for a good replica 1911 that wont break the bank
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>>47366399
CUTE
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BURT IS A FAT NIGGER
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redpill me on CZ P09 or CZ P10c, only thing keeping me from buying one of them is that it's not the glock
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>>47366401
>>47366438
You'll want a spare recoil spring at the very least. Quickly searching it seems like there are plenty of aftermarket springs available. Magazines also seem to be available. I'll be honest I don't enjoy shooting direct blowbacks in that size. It'll do if you have to use it to defend your life but I'd suggest shooting it first.
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I have an absolute fuckton of 22LR, and while it's great to burn in my 10/22 I want a handgun to eat some of it it too. Problem is I'm a picky bitch about handguns, I like little ones and find most of the larger guns to be boring. I've rented the super popular Ruger Mk. IV and it was really boring to me. I tend to have more fun shooting tiny guns, little .380 and .32 ACP pocket guns are the best.

What's the best tiny, difficult to shoot, 22LR handgun I should go for? Beretta Bobcat? Ruger LCR?
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>>47366654
That's not a bad idea. I'll talk about it with the guy (offer to supply ammo, maybe)
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Whats the best 22LR pistol under $500? Im a poorfag that cant afford to shoot 9mm every week so I wanna shoot 22s instead. The Walther PPK looks good.
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>>47366759
Don't get that, the 22 PPK is a special case that's outsourced to Umarex (a toy manufacturer) and made of zinc alloy potmetal.
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>>47366759
Wrong pic
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>>47366759
used ruger Mk.Something unironically. TX22 is a competitor.
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>>47366686
The absolute shittiest 22LR I have ever shot was an NAA revolver.

>>47366759
Your carry gun have a 22LR conversion kit? That way you're only paying for the slide rather than an entire gun. Also no FFL.
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>>47366771
Just googled that and you're right anon, thanks.
>>47366789
I never bought used before but what specifications about the ruger make it good?
>>47366795
No, its turkshit
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Hey all I'm a new pistol owner with a g48 and I'm looking at what holster I should get. For reference I am approximately 5 foot 9 at 155 pounds and usually wear a jean jacket but may sometimes wear a leather jacket. I live in NY and have a permit for conceal carry. I work in an office environment where I am consistently sitting (due to Coronavirus I am working from home but may return someone next year depending on how this vaccine goes). I've done some research and it seems like a shoulder holster would be best but I'm looking for advice. Any help is appreciated, thanks.
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>>47366843
Wide parts availability, proven platform, good accuracy, fun to shoot (ignore the above anon), it's a .22 nambu, mags aren't too expensive
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Spaghettifag checking in.
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>>47365237
3thing Ruger LCP

>>47365927
CZ75 slab maybe? If you use any kind of keyword then you're finding an ad posted by someone who knows exactly what they've got and expects a lot for it.

It's like trying to find an original Beretta 92, if you try you're going to find 99.98% 92FSs that are titled incorrectly.

>>47366040
Shoot I'd say get an M&P Shield before a P232 if actual carry is the goal.

>>47366065
They do, the base plate hits the magwell.

>>47366149
I build one and borderline hated it but it was fun to make. Why do you want one instead of one of ten thousand common, reliable, warrantied production guns?

>>47366686
Both of those would be good candidates, but 21As tend not to work with low powered or subsonic ammo as they don't have an extractor and rely on chamber pressure to blow spent cases out.

>>47366759
>>47366771
This is mostly true (are they zinc? I think they're aluminum) but like the P22Q the new PPK .22s are very well regarded. I'd still probably pass based on the capacity and your budget.

I'd throw the Taurus TX22 at the top of the list right away. 16 rounds, cheap, full size features, nice trigger and mine at least is phenomenally reliable. Other good options are Ruger Marks and SR22s, Browning Buckmarks, CZ Kadets, S&W M&P .22 Compacts and Victorys.

Based on cost and features alone and disregarding personal experience I'd still say Taurus TX22 above the others.
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>>47366861
The Mark IV looks good. I'll do some more looking around but this one appears very well regarded. Thanks anon.
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>>47366861
And always remember.
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>>47366854
Shoulder holsters are some esoteric shit outside of larping and not really recommended anymore. What is turning you off appendix or hip carry?
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>>47366949
LARPing, the answer is always LARPing when it comes to shoulder holsters.

They want that noir detective/edgey modern lesbian look, and they usually fashion themselves as such.
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>>47366949
they do have the niche of being more comfortable for jobs where you have to bend over a lot than appendix, and more conealable than hip in the same situation
t. doesn't use a shoulder holster so maybe im wrong
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>>47366949
Thanks for the reply. I'm not opposed to those options I just thought they weren't the best choice. From what I've read about those positions is that if there ever was a lapse in judgment/failure of safe re-holster ing id run the risk of blowing my dick off. I've also read that they are not comfortable for prolonged periods of sitting.
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>>47367004
carrying is not comfortable, anon, no matter what you do. it's about mitigating discomfort and finding a balance.
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>>47367015
I see now, thank you. I guess I've got more research to do.
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>>47367015
it can be comfy.
t. carry a colt junior in an ewb holster cholo style
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>>47366854
The problem with holster carry is that your barrel is potentially covering someone behind you all the time, and that's generally frowned upon by pretty much everybody everywhere.
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>>47367044
please always carry in a holster, anon
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>>47367055
Fuck I meant to say "shoulder holster".
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>>47367004
Accessibility and comfort are both priorities. I'd suggest buying both types of holsters and experimenting. Negligent discharges should not enter into the equation because if you lack the discipline to not ND in one carry style you lack the discipline to not ND in any of them. You've just shifted consequences from your own dick to someone else.
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>>47367055
I'M JUST STICKING IT IN MY WAISTBAND
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>>47367122
Fuck a holster. I just have a bunch of 75Bs lanyard looped to my belt and I pull them and shoot as necessary.
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>>47357557
>order some mags for my 1911 and mini 14 from gunmagwarehouse
>read up some more on them
>shipping times were often 2 weeks even before covid
>tfw
>also tfw mini 14 folding stocks have a delay of 5 goddamn months now
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So far our discussion on holsters has been productive. The suggestions and comments are helping, thank you all. Please keep it coming as I'm now reading about the waistband holsters.
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>>47367190
If you're visual, there's some good surface level stuff here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeFdM2Xq_ao

>>47367177
At least they're coming, friend. I can't find a single CZ 14 rounder anywhere since they've been discontinued.
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Politics aside, what are the upsides of a Hellcat over a P365 aside from 1 extra round and slightly more girth for the bigger-handed?
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>>47367329
Only 1 I can think of, Sig doesn't have a "regular" sized P365 with an optic cut, you gotta get the XL for that, but the Hellcat OSP is "normal" sized. The P365 supposedly has a better trigger, I haven't tried a Hellcat but the P365 does have a pretty good trigger for a smol gun.
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TIL 10mm kicks harder than 45acp, a lot harder, even in a revolver
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oops wrong screenshot.
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>>47367779
beefy white hands typed this post
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>>47367779
Why are your fingers so small?
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>>47358317
I've had to explain this so many times when family comments about how snappy the P230 is. The point is conceability. If you want comfort get something fuck off heavy like a Barreta 92.
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>>47359207
Have some oc.
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>>47367747
Are you really surprised? 10mm has ~2x the muzzle energy of .45
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>>47367249
>Worrying about re-holstering
This seems like a cop problem, not a me problem. If you ever have to really use it, the only thing that has to happen quickly is getting the gun out. That's time-sensitive. Putting the gun away is not time-sensitive at all, and is probably something I wouldn't even do in a self-defense situation. Sure, for practice you need to re-holster, but that's something you can do super slow.
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>>47368098
i used to play piano
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>>47367927
I am not white. Sorry...
>>47368134
yeah honestly it really surprised me. now i understand why people equate it for bears
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>>47366899
You have no idea the pain of trying to find an original 92. I have never seen an active posting for one and its impossible to narrow the search down.

When will we get a standardized base plate for pistol red dots?
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>>47358176
Bro I feel you. I love the full sized SIG. but damn it points right at the dick
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First one. Did I do okay, /k/?
Wish I had more ammo for it. I only got 50 rounds of federal syntech 150-grain. And the store only sold it to me because I bought the gun. Ammo situation is completely fucked.
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>>47366399
Good this gun is garbage and the slide stop spring will break rendering it useless until taken to gunsmith. Fuck commies
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>>47367015
>>47367023
Don’t listen to this anon carrying a Glock compact model is cash money. Carried mine for over 7months no issues whatsoever. Leather holster. It’s 10/10 man I even forget sometimes that it’s there. Zero discomfort
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>>47370059
Garbage
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>>47357557

>Not getting the superior pre-war Vis 35.
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>>47370011
lol It's a pain.

There will never be standardization of red dot feetprints, every company has a vested interest in seeing theirs "win." The closest thing to standardization is probably the RMR footprint due to serious industry cooperation, but the JPoint/Docter footprint is still probably king in terms of numbers, it's been around too long to get ousted. All the little piddly single footprints like Sig and Leupold need to frig off and pick JPoint or RMR imo. And as I say that Trijicon introduces ANOTHER footprint for the RMRcc. lol dicks

>>47370059
Excellent overall.

Could you do me a fav and take a pic of the top rear of the frame with the slide off, where the trigger return spring is? I'd like to look at the guts for science.
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>>47359977
I've been a lifelong beretta whore so the tomcat is on my mind pretty often but it's been a while since I got to handle one. A mini beretta 81 would be rad though. I would take a fixed barrel 3032 in a heartbeat.Tiny is cool but I agree, shooting the LCP and micro eagle sucked dick.

>>47360664
If I can ever find one anyway. They're very appealing because I would like something that I don't have to dress around as much and the kt weighs about the same as one of my edc mags
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>>47361006
Still kicking myself for not picking up a shark fc when they were like $300
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>>47361006
>jericho slide but with better rail placement
Pretty cool. Too bad they're turk.
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>>47370357
I mean i get if its the profile youve got youre locked into that companies products but it still sucks. I understand picatinny getting adopted by the military pretty much made it the defacto standard but before that seems like vast majority of scopes/mounts had a weaver version instead of cutting their own dovetail profile.
I kind of hope one of them gets adopted as NATO standard or something so it will basically kill the competition.

I actually cant think of a gun thats harder to search for than an original 92. Its rare but most other rare firearms arent hidden in a huge sea of mislabelled models.
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>>47365927
Just keep searching cz 75 short or short rail I guess. I feel bad for the anon deciding between that and the mr 73, one just sold on gunbroker for 2k from the attic.
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>>47367015
I carry a 3" j frame appendix all the time and can honestly say I forget it's there most of the time.
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>>47367044
I've never given a shit about this for a number of reasons. #1 being that the gun doesn't fire until I fire it
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>>47370432
>I kind of hope one of them gets adopted as NATO standard or something
The Army got heebed by Sig into the Romeo1Pro which uses a Deltapoint Pro footprint, but I really doubt that's going to gain traction outside collector circles lol
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>>47370357
Here you go, anon.
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>>47370548
Didnt realize the p320 was coming standard with a red dot cut.
No one is ever going to be issued one, theyll all sit in the armory in a sealed cabinet just to be accounted for and collect fust for the next decade.
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>>47370552
Awesome, thanks!

>>47370570
I wonder how many M17s will ever be mounted with optics at all
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>>47370653
Im sure some officers will do it to feel special and armorers to fuck around but i would be shocked if it became even somewhat common.
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>>47370059
dun gud
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VP9 v P30, any particularly compelling reason to go with one over the other or is it just striker v DA/SA LEM alphabet soup? There’s nowhere reasonably close where I can shoot them back to back and fingerfucking just tells me what I already know - they fit me like my hole in Amigara fault.
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Should I wait until ammo prices go down or buy some now?
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I don't own any centerfire
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>>47371722
Assuming you're already familiar with the key specs, I'll highlight some of the things you find out from owning them.

>VP9
-slide ears are really nice, although they can make you lazy when you pick up any other handgun
-grip texture is a bit slippery, only OK compared to other HKs
-grip shape will always feel like one of those inserts for shoes for people who have high arches, presses against your palm in ways that other guns do not
-trigger breaks really far forward in the trigger guard, better for people with large hands, but feels weird compared to any other HK
-contrary to what shills say, the trigger is underwhelming and has an uneven pull, like the PPQ (don't believe Walther, aka Umarex, pays people to go on Youtube and shill their products? just look at Steven Crowder)
-you'll probably have issues holding down the slide release so the slide doesn't lock back
-very difficult to detail-strip, some very weird and unusual small parts

>P30
-a little shorter than the VP9 overall, while the P30L is about the same length overall
-the grip texture is grippier, but collects dust and dirt and doesn't give it back
-grip shape is a little more neutral (more like the P2000) whereas the VP9 will always have that high arches insole feel in your palm
-many options for trigger and safety configurations, but unlike the USP or HK45, you must decide what you want before you own it, any given gun can not be converted between one or the other
-contrary to what idiots say, actually has a very good trigger, in either v1 or v3
-the safetyless versions will give you ample opportunity to hold down the slide release inadvertently, but the S versions have shorter slide release levers
-detail stripping is medium difficulty, but is essentially the same internally as a USP

Alternatively,
>VP9-B
-Both the P30 and regular VP9 have a little trough in the trigger guard. This rubs on some thick-handed shooters' fingers uncomfortably. The VP9-B lacks the trough.
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>>47373663
Can confirm on the P30.
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>>47373695
Also I have shot the VP 9 and agree on the trigger being suited for slightly larger hands/longer fingers.
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>>47373496
You should check out .32 ACP and .380 ACP. Delightful center-fire cartridges without the luggage that 9mm brings. Both designed by Browning too, which is always a shining pedigree.
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>>47373700
>Also I have shot the VP 9 and agree on the trigger being suited for slightly larger hands/longer fingers.
And it's ironic that the VP9B is the one that is actually going to feel the best if you have large hands, but it's the one HK owners look down on the most.
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>>47361628
You know what anon I like you you don't get worked up over my shit post. I approve of your Chinaman colored Glock.
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>>47367249
Thanks for the video; I'm familiar with Lucky Gunner's channel and Chris is a great presenter. I haven't watched all the videos but this was immensely helpful; thank you

>>47368176
Thanks and i agree, the drawing of the gun is critical in a self-defense situation.

>>47370496
It seems like as long as the gun is holstered and that the trigger is covered from any obstruction that could pull it, then the concern of where the muzzle is pointed isn't as serious.
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>>47370059
>federal syntech 150-grain.
Your effective accurate range is now 10 yards with plastic bullets
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Looking for FPS vidya games that doesn't make handguns feel like peashooters
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>>47374643
Halo: Combat Evolved.
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saw that the cmp is offering applications for their 1911 program. Prices seem a little high but I would love to get a 1911a1. Anyone else order one from the cmp and think it is worth it?
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>>47373663
>vp9 and ppq trigger bad
>p30 trigger good
and into the trash this post goes
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>>47373663
Much obliged for the rundown, it’s more informative than the hundredth rendition of “The VP9’s trigger was forged by Hephaestus but it will spontaneously blow out your femoral artery!” or “The P30 runs for ten million rounds but the trigger gave me AIDS.”
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Just picked up a full size M&P M2.0 in 9mm. Did I do good /k/?
>inb4 you should have gotten a Glock 17
I already own a Glock 19 and wanted to try another S&W, since I like my shield. Was also considering the CZ P10, but those are hard to find right now
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>>47373496
Mark IV is great, love mine
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>>47373470
Buy some, but also go to your local big box store and stalk it every day. They often have cheaper prices, but it’s really hard to find availability. Pick up a box or two every other week and you’ll have enough to practice with
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>>47366759
I would go with Walther P22Q or Ruger SR22, with a slight edge to the Ruger (less finicky with ammo). I’ve also heard the S&W M&P 22 is good, but haven’t done as much research on it
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I got my gf a Vedder lighttuck holster for Christmas. She's been putting off getting a holster for a while because she's not sure which one to get. Did I fuck up lads?
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>>47376330
I think its a good inside the waistband holster.
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>>47376330
>Vedder lighttuck
Literally the only issue I can see with it is the single clip holsters in general don't retain as well as the double clip, but it seems like it has one of the good metal clips, so it should be fine. Also, it looks small which will probably make it easier for her to carry and conceal, so I'd say that upside is worth the single clip. Just practice with her a lot drawing from concealment and break it in a bit
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Looking at getting a CCW that can double as a HD gun, and leaning towards a glock 26.
Is a recover rail adapter worthwhile or should I just get a tlr6 if I want to mount a light on it?
Alternatively, should I get a different gun that has an actual rail on it instead?
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>>47376954
Maybe get a Glock 19 if you're considering the Glock 26. Unless you're really worrying about weight and concealability, then maybe the single stack is better. Personally I would always choose the 19 over the 26.
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>>47376954
>>47377112
Ah sorry, G26 is a subcompact double-stack, not a single stack. I was thinking of the G43. My answer still is the same though. If you have a friend with the G19 maybe you could ask to try it out and try wearing their holster
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>>47377112
I've fiddled with a friend's Glock 19 and found it's a little too long in the grip for my comfort while carrying. I'd prefer having 10+ rounds but the single stack 43x and 48 are similarly too long in the grip.
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Are mec-gar 10 round mags with the bigger plastic bases in general unreliable? I've always heard good things about the brand but messing around with snap caps on my 5906 I noticed I had to rack the slide back really quickly otherwise I'd get FTFs whereas if I was using OEM mags I could ride the slide back slowly and have no problems.
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>>47376330
even if there are better choices for the money, as a *gift* it's a good choice, because it has so much notoriety on leddit. so if she googles it she'll see almost nothing but good reviews
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>>47377302
>>47376954
So to get back to your main question - I haven’t read up on that rail mount, but personally I’d want more than 100 lumens to identify targets. So I’d consider some way to mount a TLR1 or TLR8
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>>47377319
I have a few from when I lived in Cuckifornia and they've not been a problem, but I've definitely noticed that the cut-down 10 round springs feel weaker than full size 15-18 round mag springs in some guns. When firing, the pistol shouldn't be relying on the next round in the magazine to kick it out of the gun, that's the ejector's job. So you may just be seeing an unintended interaction of the next round in the mag when you are cycling it with slow human speed.
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>>47377813
>I have a few from when I lived in Cuckifornia
JFC, no wonder you have so many handguns, living in this state and lusting after even the mundane guns that get posted here is hell.

>and they've not been a problem, but I've definitely noticed that the cut-down 10 round springs feel weaker than full size 15-18 round mag springs in some guns.
I've had some double feeds at the range that I couldn't quite narrow down before and I exclusively used the Mec-Gars. The OEM mags I have are permanently blocked but they are the original 15-round springs and I haven't had any feed issues with them hand cycling while if I ride the slide back with the Mec-Gars they FTF consistently and even doing it the right way they feel like they feed a lot more roughly. The Mec-Gar also rattles around a bit more in there while the factory mag sits flush, I wonder if I just got a bad one or something.
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>>47375546
>mrgunsngear told me it's good
>colon noir told me it's good
>hickuk45 told me it's good
>"gosh heck it! the PPQ and VP9 have the best triggers in all of guns!"
>contradictory evidence is presented
>SNOPES DEBUNKED THIS! STOP LYING! STOP TRIGGERING ME!

>>47375576
They're both good guns. Another factor is that the P30L is incredibly sexy and has great aesthetic balance (emphasizing the length of the slide), but the VP9 is more geometrically balanced, with the slide positioned farther back over the grip. The regular P30 is kind of like the Glock 45 before there was a Glock 45. It has a sub-4" barrel on a full size grip. Good for law enforcement who don't want their belt to get hiked up when they sit into a car seat, but not what civilians have come to expect for handgun balance. Also, don't overlook the USP, USPC, HK45, HK45C or P2000. Depending on what you're looking for in a handgun, those could be good options too.
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>>47377922
Double feeds sounds like weak springs but I'm not a gunsmith. It wouldn't cost much to buy a couple of new springs, or even stretch one of the existing springs an inch or two by hand, just to test. It won't last if you stretch it but you'd see an immediate change if that were the problem.

Are these new mags btw? I would think (well) used mags would be S&W factory rather than Mec-Gar so I'm guessing new.
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>>47375747
They are good guns. Seems to fix the problems with reliability that the M&P 1.0's had.
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>>47378157
i dont watch that trash i have fingers lol
who the fuck are you to tell me what im feeling in my hands bitch put on a trip so i can filter you like burt
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>>47375747
Yeah, you did good. Put an Apex trigger kit in if you really want us to like you.
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is there a chance of a p2000 with an optics cut and threaded barrel happening soon? i am a hk fag and want a tacticool 9mm thats not a vp9 because i do not like them
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>>47378204
>who the fuck are you to tell me
I'm smarter than you and I make better arguments than you.
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>>47358809
beauty
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>>47378226
Zero chances. HK only bothers to update their very latest lines. You'll never see a standard accessory rail on a USP, same way you'll never see front slide serrations or an optics cut on a P2000.
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>>47378226
>threaded barrel
Go to HK Parts.
>optics cut
Something that retarded vets with a YouTube channel sell to zoomer retards.
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>>47376954
Are you going to carry it every day? Or is this more of a HD-piece-that-I-occasionally-pack type of thing?
If the former, you should really get two guns. You will eventually give up on carrying if you're trying to pack something big enough to mount a light full-time (at least, that's been the experience of myself and everyone I know who played this silly game. Learn from our mistakes).
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>>47378269
you are pond scum

>>47371722
>>47375576
hey anon i hope you arent listening to this retard lying about shit >>47373663 making huge exagerations and subjective statements pretending their facts the p30s trigger is shit the only thing hes right about is grip texture everything else is some fuckball autistic exageration trying to be king shit knowitall
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>>47374643
>>>/v/
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>>47378162
The OEM mags were pretty old, pre-ban ones by the looks of it. They seem to function fine though. The Mec Gars were still fresh in the packaging when I got them but they've been more problematic for me.
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>>47378561
lol Weird.

Welp, you could contact MecGar, they will probably send you replacements, but in my experience their products are very consistent; the replacements you get will probably have the same problem that made you suspect them in the first place. I had some Ruger Mark mags from Mecgar that sat way too low in the frame so they wouldn't feed. I got replacements from MecGar (kudos to them actually sending replacements free, paid return shipping), but the new ones were identical to the returned ones. Now I KNOW MecGar's not making 50,000 broken Ruger Mark mags, so I have to assume that just my specific gun did not like them. Might be a similar thing with you, your gun may just not like that particular model of mag. I've got a grip of normal capacity 5906/59 MecGars I cut for my Hudson H9 and Daewoo and they all work great even in those nonfactory platforms.
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Please help me decide between a USP45 and a USP45 compact.
It'll primarily be a camping and range gun, which leans me towards the full size; but I have pretty dang small hands so that puts me towards the compact. I'm also a small dude (5'7 140 lbs) and don't want to look goofy if the fullsize is really that big.
No place near me EVER has a USP so I can't go and feel them out.
Is the recoil reduction system in the fullsize a big merit or is that kinda just a moot point between the two?
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>>47378830
If your hands are small, the full size USP 45 is going to DEFINITELY feel too big. You'll probably be able to reach the trigger, even in DA, but the circumference of the grip is really quite big. Not too big to shoot and have fun with, but your fingers will fatigue faster and groups open up as this happens. Nobody says you can't buy one, but be forewarned. As for your alternative, keep in mind that all the USP Compacts were designed to have about the same width as one another, so you take a big hit on magazine capacity because they are trying to fit .45 caliber cartridges into the same width magazine as the USP 9 Compact takes (albeit, the .45 mag is deeper front to back).

If you're thinking about the USP 45 Compact, I'd recommend an HK45 Compact instead. The main difference between it and the USP 45 Compact, aside from the obvious ones (front slide serrations, enhanced mag release, o-ring on barrel, grip texture, ambi slide release) is you can find holsters for it. Whatever you buy, I'd encourage you to do a little shopping for holsters before pulling the trigger. You can always find someone to custom-make a kydex one for you, just keep it in mind because it is a factor here. Also, shop around to see if you can find any magazines for this gun too. They are near unobtanium unless you're deep into a Republican presidency and nobody is buying guns at all.

Why aren't you looking at the USP 40 Compact, by the way? 12 rounds of a potent caliber in a smaller package with more holster support.

>>47378527
Get rekt, tranny.
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>>47378672
I've heard nothing but great reviews of Mec-Gar which is why I suspect it may be limited to the 10-round mags, but I don't have any way of getting the 15 and 17-rounders to check those without the CADOJ shooting my dog. Interestingly enough I also tried some OEM factory 4006 mags I have lying around which I still don't have a gun for yet, they'll insert and lock into a 5906TSW but not the older 5906s. Those also fed fine despite being .40 mags so it's definitely these particular Mec-Gars that don't work right.
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>>47378527
I’d be happy to hear your thoughts on the two, other than the aforementioned disagreement with the post above regarding triggers.
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>>47378950
I'm by no means a .40 hater, I just like .45 and i've heard the USP line and .45 go together really well, followed by .40, and I hear they are just not efficient for 9mm due to size and capacity. Everyone I see pretty much seems to prefer the USP over the HK45 for whatever reason and I like the spectacle of owning a real USP, always wanted one.
To let you know my hand size, I for a very long time used a sig m11a1 and thought it was chunky, but still useable, i'd say thats like the max size I can handle but would prefer smaller.
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>>47379088
first off hes making a huge deal out of how different the grip shapes are you can see in his own pic they are almost identical its mainly the grip texture thats different its better on the p30. a vp9 trigger is on the better end of strikers but its not underwhelming unless like anon you watch a lot of youtube shills. the p30 trigger is downright shit there is no two ways about it, the da is long and scratchy with plastic the sa is super creepy and has the longest reset of any handgun i know of it is fuckin long. anon saying its very good is full of shit its one of the worst triggers ever made. that doesnt mean the gun is shit or you will suck with it people compete with glocks but anon is way too full of himself to get off sucking hks dick.

they both medium tier guns you wont love or hate i mainly have a problem with this pompous meming fuck shitting up the last few threads. he acts like a trip and now hes avatarfagging with some meme he drew himself lol what a worm
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>>47379100
For hand size, just tell us what size gloves you wear. Gloves are pretty universal in fit.

The USP goes well in .45, .40 or 9mm. There is a certain amount of irrational internet lore that follows HKs around because for a long time, very few people owned them, due to the price, but EVERYBODY had an opinion about them because opinions are free. The idea that the P30 has a "bad" trigger is one of those little bits of idiocy, as well as the idea that the USP isn't any good in 9mm. There is a new piece of idiocy that the USP 45 can handle .45 Super just find, and the USP 40 is just fine shooting 10mm with a few simple parts swap that can be manufactured at home. Complete bunk.

In reality, the 9mm USPs are the highest valued on the used market because that's what the real HK chuds want the most. You may prefer a Glock in 9mm because it's a bit slimmer and a bit lighter, but any 9mm HK is a great shooter. Full size USP 40's, to be completely honest, are probably the least interesting, not to say that they're bad, just that they aren't that highly sought after.

Also, if you want a USP for the aesthetic, that's perfectly understandable, but it's worth understanding that when you take a P30 or an HK45 apart and look at the parts, not only is there a lot of parts commonality, but most of the parts that are different only have minor changes to the dimensions.

>>47379183
>he doesn't agree with me 100% that means he's A LIAR!!!
>REEEEEEE he's a heckin poopy pants for not agreeing with me!!
>stop taking him seriously you're legitimizing him by allowing him to use this platform, he's a nazi!!
You will never be a woman.
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>>47373663
>>47378157
>>47378950
Put on a trip so I can filter you I'm tired of your shit takes and forced memes.
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Why do soft-brained leftists always want to ban people who don't share their irrational/wrong ideology?

>>47379240 being a prime example.
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>>47366795
>shittiest
ehh NAAs are very well made, and they're not meant to be target/plinking pistols
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Ignore and report trolls.
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>>47366686
Beretta Bobcats are great. The tip up barrel is fun, especially for .22 cause you can shoot all sorts of different ammunition out of it like quiets or colibris and just flick them out with the tip up, instead of jamming a semi auto.
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>>47379239
That's another thing, i'm eyeing a p30 or p30l in 9mm. I actually DID handle one of these in a gun store and liked the ergos and didn't find the trigger bad at all which surprised me given what I had heard.
So with what all you've told me, i'm leaning heavily toward the compact .45 USP. I'm used to 1911s so I can make due with 8+1 and 10+1.
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>>47379365
OK, tranny. Let's list the facts.

USP trigger:
-double action has about a 10-12 pound pull
-double action pull is smooth (doesn't pull to a "wall" like a Glock)
-single action pull is about 5-6 pounds
-single action break is crisp and has very little overtravel
-trigger reset is about 1 mm

P30 trigger:
-double action has about a 10-12 pound pull
-double action pull is smooth (doesn't pull to a "wall" like a Glock)
-single action pull is about 5-6 pounds
-single action break is crisp and has very little overtravel
-trigger reset is about 3 mm

What?????!!?!?!?!?! 3 mm for the reset? Did he say THU-REE OF EM? STOP THE PRESSES, IT'S TIME TO SPREAD THE WORD FAR AND WIDE ACROSS THE INTERNET

>*inhales*
>THE P30 TRIGGER IS SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTT
>>47379183
>>47379240
>>47379183
>>47378527
>>47378204
>>47375546
This is literally you.
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I want to get a derringer mainly because I think they're cool but I don't want to buy a lemon either. What brands/models should I be looking for?
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>>47379384
Good news is that USP 45 Compacts are reasonably in stock right now from various sellers on Gunbroker, although you will pay a premium for a new one.
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just sold my 92fs for $650, what pistol should i get next?
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>>47379595
What do ya like?
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>>47379614
i really need a decent quality EDC gun. tried to CC the beretta for months and hated it.
was considering the Glock 19, but wasn't sure if there were better options at that price point that wasn't just a meme
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>>47378508
It's probably more of the latter. I do already have a beretta 92 as my normal nightstand gun, but I'd be more comfortable carrying a striker gun around, and if I was going to do that, I thought I should just switch completely to striker to not have to train different trigger styles.
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Ugh this thread.

>>47379799
Striker then? There are lots of great options, almost anything in that form factor, but that's not helpful I know. The M&P M2.0 Compact is a particularly good alternative but you might not like the aggressive texture. Some stuff like the PPQ and VP9 are slightly bigger with no semi-compact g19 sized variant.
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>>47379908
>VP9 are slightly bigger with no semi-compact g19 sized variant.

Bullshit. Then what is this?
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>>47379908
>Ugh this thread.
Yep.
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how a retard argues his point:
-throws in phrases like "theres no 2 ways about it," he believes this will convince even the most ardent of opponents instantly
-insists that the other person is lying, a troll or "full of shit" to undermine his credibility to onlookers
-repeats his assertion a few times, but in creative new ways, increasing the hyperbole each time "it's long," "it's fuckin long," "it's the longest of any handgun i know"

how an intelligent man argues his point:
-politely listens to the opposition, but carefully and forcefully disproves any wrong claims made
-clearly explicates his reasoning, lists the evidence that support it and logically follows the evidence to his conclusion
-always surrenders to objective reality, understands that his own ego has no place in his argument
-forgives his opponent for being wrong, since wisdom leads to magnanimity
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>>47379974
A sweet, sweet dream
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>>47379890
Then I personally would say your idea of subcompact double-stack (Glock or otherwise) with a light is absolutely on the right track. Personally I think rail adapters are a meme and a direct-mount like the TLR6 is a much better option if you can't have a rail, but if you can go for something with some kind of rail (M&P 2.0 SC, VP9SK, Hellcat, etc.) you should.
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>>47379974
Move the slide release 1/8" forward, close up the hole in the rear of the slide and that would be a great carry gun.
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got a p-10s, red pill me on CZ
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>>47380158
Grow yourself a beard and get yourself some thick rimmed glasses like the rest of us. You're a Czoyboy now.
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>>47380182
>I already wear thick-rimmed glasses
oh no...
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>>47380203
Do you smile for photos with your mouth open, or will you need to learn?
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>>47380158
congratulations, you are the newest conscript in the eternal battle of "muh full-length rails" vs. "muh shitty roll pins"
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>>47379274
>filter = ban
Why are rightoids so fucking retarded?
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My only sidearm, not reliable unless p+ 9mm bullets probably. Difficult to shoot as well because the barrel tilts down on fast shots (which is honestly my fault).
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>>47363348
>>47363724
ty for replies anons
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Guys I'm so stupid, I don't want to have a polymer frame gat as my go- to pistol. I want a 2011. I don't care how much better Glocks and Walthers and HK's are, I just want a steel frame gun, and I want it to be that one gun I always have on me no matter what.
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>>47381039
And yes, I've had a few polymer frame 9s mostly Glocks, some S&W's. I never got super good with them, never put in the time and money to become a seasoned shooter with them and they are still far more accurate than I am. Regardless I just don't want one anymore. Hell, I might even go full fudd and rock a Springfield TRP if I can't swing a 2011.
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Just discovered the hostage taker drills in the X3 software. Draw from holster on the cue, needing a score >85 and time <4s for the beginner module. I don't have a magazine end adapter for the X3 yet so I'm just going from low ready, trying to take my time up as close to 4 seconds as I can and focusing on accuracy.

This one is neat because it gives you a "reholster" cue after you take your shot, and it senses when you've done so and then gives you the "shooter ready" go ahead again, so it's uninterrupted.
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>>47381097
Are you set on a 2011 or do you just want any steel frame 9? My 5906TSW is the best pointing and shooting gun I have, shame it was a beat to shit police trade in and I don't know if it's completely reliable yet.
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>>47380094
Burt, what's your take on the P30 trigger?
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>>47381515
I really want a 2011, or a pistol with faimilar features and common parts. Single action with a manual safety really appeals to me
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>>47381687
I think it's pretty midlin. I used to have a strong opinion about it but I lost a lot of trigger snobbishness in the last couple of years. I don't think it's as bad as people say. It's also not very good by any quantifiable metric, but that's not so important overall to shootability. One good thing about it is the DA doesn't have stacking like a CZ does, but the reset is quite long.
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>>47381985
Redemption
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If you were hypothetically on a gun buying spree, because you thought a certain president elect might take office and ban your right to buy guns, what handgun would you pick up? Hard mode, you can only choose one
>Glock 19
>CZ P10C
>S&W M&P2.0
>Sig P320
>HK VP9
>Walther PPQ
>Beretta 92
Variants of these guns are fine, explain your pick and why. Other guns not on the list are allowed, just wanted to get the juices flowing. For me I’m thinking the CZ or Walther would be cool to own
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>>47379441
I will give you a bump because I too want a stupid derringer. Debating making one
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>>47370265
Shame those go for so much :(
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>>47382676
He's not gonna ban handguns, he's going after magazines and rifles so none of those are at risk though all of their magazines might be. And ammo's already been cleaned out for one year hence by unprepared lackadaisical newguns.

ffffffff....

Trying to decide between a Beretta 92 and an M&P M2.0. The M2.0 grip texture is just so awesome.

Beretta 92 variant with a rail. Good trigger easily made great, low recoil, good sights (many models have dovetails but not all), large manly grip, sexy, ubiquitous parts and mags. Honorable mention to M&P M2.0 for low recoil and grip texture, and PPQ for good trigger.
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>>47382080
Since when is Big Lez browsing /k/?
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>>47382676
>>47383333
Quads of truth. Despite the fact that handguns commit the most crime, are the most concealable and are perfectly suited to committing any mass shooting you can imagine, I have never heard of any politician having any comprehensive plan to ban handguns or otherwise restrict them beyond what they are already. Which is proof enough that it's all performative.
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>>47382676
Biden is NOT President-Elect. The electoral college hasn’t even met yet.

(!) Jeffrey Epstein’s friends have called the race differently.
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>>47384986
>Biden is NOT President-Elect. The electoral college hasn’t even met yet.
if I chucked your computer out of a plane, would you get mad only after you find it shattered on the ground?
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>>47385836
President-Elect is an official title and the meaning is not arbitrary. Just because the AP projects that one person will win does not make him the President-Elect. Presidents are not elected by the popular vote, nor by what the AP says the outcome will be. They're elected by electors in the electoral college, which is what makes them President-Elect, and Inauguration is what makes them President.
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Burt, you know everything and like berettas, how is the px4 storm type C in either .45 or 9mm? I like the idea of a modern sao gun.
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>>47382676
CZ and Walther have no American factories. All the others could continue to produce pistols for the American market if all imports were to be banned.
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>>47368176
Depends on the situation, in a public area Reholstering is pretty critical, you don’t want to be standing around holding a gun when first responders arrive on the scene of an “active shooter.”
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>want a m9a3

should I wait or just get a 92FS? I really just want the m9a3 for the threaded barrel.
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>>47387415
You should either be looking at the M9A3 or 92X. No reason to look at a 92fs unless you have a learning disability.
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>>47387483
92x in my area cost like $1500
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>>47387534
>in my area
There's a good argument to be made for banning Californians from /k/.
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>>47387540
I dont live in cali
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>>47387549
The 92X is a $600-700 gun.
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>>47387188
I've never handled a Type C unfortunately, they look so cool without the decocker! What I understand from watching videos trying to comprehend it, it's like a Ruger EC9 or LCP, where the hammer is only partially cocked by the slide and the trigger cocks it the rest of the way before firing. Like a glok too, but hammer fired. I've seen people claiming between 3 and 10 pounds for this short DAO trigger, so I don't know what to believe. But it seems, again just from watching videos, that it's NOT like an HK LEM or Walther PPX/Creed which are true SA triggers; your finger does no work to cock the hammer spring on those. The Type C seems to actually be DAO, just a shorter and perhaps slightly lighter pull.

https://youtu.be/e9RnjbMZbDM?t=419

It seems like maybe a P2000 or USP with LEM trigger is what you're looking for, it gives you a consistent single action pull from the first to last shot AND a DA mode for double strike should one fail. Or a striker, those are single action only too!

>>47387415
Do you need a threaded barrel? Wait for the M9A3 you want at a good price. Don't need threaded? Get a 92X. If you don't want or need the Vertex grip but still want a rail consider a 92A1.
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>>47383333
>>47384466
He’s going to ban handguns over 10 rounds and make us have to pin the mag like in cuckifornia. Also, you want be able to buy handgun mags or spare parts online anymore. I would also guess that handguns produced in foreign countries will no longer be on the market. This is my take based on the policies on his website.
But, I agree I should get an AK an all my AR-15 build parts first
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>>47387597
Won’t be able to*
Same with ammo, won’t be sold online anymore after the EO comes down
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>>47387597
>He’s going to ban handguns over 10 rounds and make us have to pin the mag like in cuckifornia
I DONT WANT TO HEAR THIS LA LA LA LA LA
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>>47387572
the only 92x local is the 92x performance. which they are selling for $1500
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>>47387615
It's crazy how you have so many guns yet never actually shoot them as evident by how fucking fat you are you.
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>>47387593
on a striker fired handgun a. doesn't your finger do the work moving the striker back against some sort of spring, and b. don't the trigger safeties on striker fired guns make for heavier and overall worse pulls?
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>>47387615
I’m actually getting pretty scared. Mandatory gun buybacks too for a $50 Amazon gift card is what I see going down. And $200 tax stamp for every mag or gun capable of holding more than 10 rounds. This motherfucker came to Detroit and shouted down a line worker about how he didn’t need his guns
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>>47387597
>mfw Kamala decides to try and force a handgun roster on the rest of the nation
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>>47387627
That's an entirely different gun with a higher MSRP.
>muh local mom n pop
gun.deals
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>>47387667
We are in super dark times Anon. What did people do back in the old days when the AWB passed? How come people didn’t rise up? It seems like something of that magnitude would warrant a succession or rebellion according to the founding fathers
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>>47387627
https://www.eurooptic.com/Beretta-92X-GR-Centurion-9mm-Dbl-Sngl-Pistol-w-3-17-Rd-Mags-J92QR921G.aspx?avad=211021_a1e353675&utm_source=35987&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=avantlink
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>>47387661
I don't see mandatory buybacks, but I do see California-style accelerated frog boiling where every aspect of gun ownership is constantly restricted and chipped away at and the general goal is to inconvenience it out of existence.
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>>47387651
>a. doesn't your finger do the work moving the striker back against some sort of spring
All triggers, even 1911s, have tiny springs to hold the trigger in the forward position but that is separate from the much stronger hammer/striker spring which delivers force into a primer. glok is almost unique in that your finger finishes cocking the striker before it fires, but most striker pistols are held 100% cocked and your finger only serves to let the striker go.
>b. don't the trigger safeties on striker fired guns make for heavier and overall worse pulls?
Heavier takeup in most cases yes, which is irrelevant once you stage the trigger at the wall from shot to shot. Heavier pull in some cases, most strikers are around 5 pounds which is not much different than typical duty DA/SA single action pulls (most are around 4-5 pounds). SAOs with safeties can be much lighter because the manual safety affords it. This is before changing spring weights.

>>47387661
Yeah well we'll see buddy boi.
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>>47387788
The $200 per mag/gun per year would end gun ownership pretty quickly
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>>47387793
>glok is almost unique in that your finger finishes cocking the striker before it fires, but most striker pistols are held 100% cocked and your finger only serves to let the striker go.
Except for the Steyr M, Ruger SR-series, all Kahr pistols, the Walther P99, Beretta Nano, and probably others I'm not thinking of right now. But yeah, the "glok" is totally unique on the market, the only one with a double action/partially cocked striker.

Why do you give people advice like this?
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>>47387956
The P99 is fully pre-charged though.

So is the M&P family minus the EZ, P320 family, P10C/F/S, PPQ family, VP9, XD family, H9, Neos, P365, TP9 family, Strike/Stryk and G3/G2 family. Some I don't know about the EC9s, Masada, Evo, 509/FNS, SD9VE, P10M or Delta, but I'd bet most of those are fully pre-charged (prob not the 509, that trigger feels like it's cocking a rusty spring). The PPS and I believe the APX are NOT pre-charged.

My point was partially pre-charged strikers are in the minority so I'll just backpedal my statement to that. Most of the widely available strikers you encounter are fully pre-charged. So lets relax ok? N-no more big lez memes o-ok?
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>>47387925
Is there such a thing as unlawful taxation?
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>>47388226
You can literally see the striker moving backward through the DA pull. How is the P99 “fully precharged?”
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>>47388226
>>47388251
Are there hair trigger strikers then? couldn't you get a striker with a trigger as good as a sao with a manual safety? Actually isnt that what the p365 is?
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>>47388292
There are some John Browning designs that are pretty damn hard to tell that they are striker-fired, like the Colt 1908 Vest Pocket.
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>>47388251
Because that's the DA pull, the P99 is DA/SA with a decocker. When you rack a round into the chamber it's default is AS (Anti-Stress) mode, which is fully pre-charged with the trigger forward. A light pull moves the trigger back into standard SA mode where it functions as SA thereafter. You also have the option to decock it into full DA mode.

They also made a glork copy mechanism called QA (Quick Action) which stunk. lol That one was a straight up partially pre-charged gloquelike mechanism.

>>47388292
You can make them, but it wouldn't be very safe to carry. With a hammer fired gun you can make a razor edge "hair trigger" safe because a manual safety prevents the hammer from falling, and the hammer is tightly captured in the frame without slop. But a striker is in the slide and the sear that holds it back is in the frame, so if you make it a "hair trigger," any movement of the slide may let the striker go inadvertently because there's always slop in slide rails. In both cases a firing pin block should stop the gun from firing, but in a striker it can end up in a "dead" configuration requiring it to be re-cocked. This is actually why Walther has started putting creepy triggers in PPQs lately, because if dropped it could decock itself (though it is incapable of self-firing). So "hair trigger" in a striker is a bad idea outside competition. I think this is how that Sig P320 fired in a holster, I think it was SO sloppy it let the striker go when wiggled. idk about the firing pin block in that case.

Anywho here's my PPQ Q5 SF after I worked on it, I think this is about as good as a striker trigger can get. It's about 4 pounds.
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>>47382676
glock 19. great gun with a huge aftermarket and glocks have great resale value because people will always want a glock
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>>47388237
No, it seems like they can tax you as much as you want as long as you bend over and take it
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I have a gen4 that's seen a lot of use, is there any point in upgrading it with a new barrel and trigger or just buy a new one ?
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>>47387188
I have a type c in 9mm. It's not quite DAO, closer to the SIG DAK trigger. Much shorter, lighter, and far smoother than actual DA. I would compare it favorably with the triggers on Kahr handguns too. I prefer DA/SA personally, but it's great for practicing good trigger control and generally nice to shoot slow fire.
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Well I guess it's time to stock up on foreign made pistols. What do I need next? So far I have

>HK Mark 23
>HK P30SK
>CZ75BD
>Beretta M9A1
>Auto Ordnance 1911A1

I know the last two are US made but I need to know what else I should see about picking up.
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>>47390761
What are you hoping to gain from these changes?

>>47391223
Mmm I'm not seeing strikers there, how about like a Q5 Steel Frame or something? Or an Arsenal Strike One/Archon Stryk B?
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What's the best place to pick up a C96 mauser? Gunbroker is kinda overpriced and I don't want to deal with auction bullshit.
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>>47391433
Those are really your best shots. You could check some of the collector sites out there. collectorsfirearms.com is one. Otherwise they pop up at gunshows, so you could check locally. Just make sure you know what you're looking for so you don't pay a premium price to Uncle Bubba.
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>>47391303
I'd really be all about the Walther Q5 if they kept the paddle magazine release... I like the look of the Archon though.
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>>47391303
Hoping to gain a better trigger feel and reset. Maybe a bit more accuracy with the barrel. I tried a Steyr M9 and it was a noticeably easier to get good groupings.
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Thoughts on cz 75? I think the wooden grips are asthetic as fuck
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>>47391917
They're fine
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>>47391917
They're good, ignore the reddit memes about them
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>>47391891
I dunno what level of shooter you are but the barrel probably won't make a difference. To me Steyrs have kind of similar triggers to gloccs, they're smoother imo but still the same type of creepy pull. Typically aftermarket triggers try to chase a crisper break and/or lighter pull but the former is not really achievable with a glonk, so they go for shorter pull length and reduced overtravel and reset.

Whether that change would be beneficial to you isn't right for anyone else to say, but I'd say for me it wouldn't help. Lighter pull weight might.

You could try like a 3.5 disconnector, it'll make the trigger more creepy but lighter weight. They're pretty cheap
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>>47360703
In anticipation of retards piling onto these two anons post claiming that you absolutely need an Encore in .416 Barrett at a minimum for bears, let me just post this: https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/#axzz5UFScHWeC
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>>47376954
You’re going to need two guns anyway, so get a g19 for now then something like a p32, lcp or lcr.
Also I think a railed g43x/g48 is coming out and shield arms makes 15 rounds mags for that .
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