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Hot take: Japanese planes were actually decent to good and comparable to any other major powers.
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nigger
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>>47349053
No. The Zeke was superior early war before being swiftly overtaken and the Frank was about as good as its peers but that's pretty much it. You're talking about a country that never even managed to produce a four engine heavy bomber.
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>>47349112
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obsolete clones
some good pilots tho
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>>47349132
>produced: 4
Prototypes don't count, retard.
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>>47349524
>they never make a four engine heavy bomber
>actually they did
>that doesn't count!
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>>47349053
zero had superiority in the same year it was made, but during the actual war the zero was defeated by "inferior" P-40s and wildcats
the P-38 proved more than a match for it, while the hellcat and corsair likewise exceeded it in the carrier borne role

only planes they made even close to those were manufactured in too small a number to matter

>>47349539
you also think the maus counts as having entered service?
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>>47349842
He said the Japanese NEVER managed to produce a four engine heavy bomber.
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>>47349053
i think the A5M is a cute chubby little plane
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>>47349132
They also produced 6 G5N.
Deciding not to mass produce something doesn't mean they weren't able to.
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>>47349053
They literally weren't
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>>47349053
I actually like the Tony. Too bad they will never be in an airshow. How come the Me-109 and Fw-190 are able to make an appearance at airshows when the Nazi regime is dead but Jap or Italian planes are a no show?
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>>47351269
>I actually like the Tony.
My nigga!
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>>47351269
The US was, shall we say, less than kind to Japanese war materiel after the war. So very little left. As for the Italians their build quality was apparently often absolutely horrendous (I mean, bearings are nice to have in an engine and all, but do you truly need them?), and the total production may not have been the greatest either, once again resulting in very little remaining.
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>>47351283
It looks strangely good in Brit and USAAF colors
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>>47349053
At the start of the war they were really good, they just couldn't keep up with the industrial capacity of the US as the war progressed
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>>47351571
>they just couldn't keep up with the industrial capacity of the US as the war progressed
Of cause, but I was talking about the designs.
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>>47349858
produce,as in put into production.
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>>47354662
Why does it matter? You don’t produce something that isn’t going to be useful. The Japanese were on the defensive almost entirely after they attacked the US, Andy even when they were invading China they did just fine without them. What would a heavy bomber have done for them?
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>>47356569
>You don’t produce something that isn’t going to be useful.
You kidding? That happens all the time. How else will they know if it's going to be useful or not?
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>>47349053
This honestly shouldn't be a hot take. This is a perfectly reasonable, and also correct, read on the subject. There were occasional underperformers, like the Ki-43 which very quickly became obsolete, but most of their aircraft were on par with the competition for the duration of the war.

>>47349112
4-engined heavy bombers were not needed and did not fit Japanese doctrine. They could obviously mass produce large 4-engined planes, just look at the fucking H8K, but they didn't need 4-engined bombers when there was fucking nothing for those heavy bombers to bomb. It would have been a massive waste of resources.
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>>47356626
Except Japan couldn’t afford to take guesses and produce aircraft they didn’t know for a fact would be at least somewhat useful. A heavy bomber doesn’t help you in a naval war when you hardly have any fighters left to support it.
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>>47349053
Pic rel is the closest thing that you can get for japanese P47
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>>47356970
I have it in WT
Beautiful plane.
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>>47349053
*Mogs all nip planes*
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>>47358504
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>>47349053
>Hot take: Japanese planes were actually decent to good and comparable to any other major powers.
that's not a hot take you nigger. The Zero and the G4M1 are famous centerpieces of boomerlore.
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>>47358448
lmao
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>>47351571
>>47354447
That's pretty much it. A6M production reached it's peak somewhere in 43 or 44. A7M was already requested in 42, but proved too ambitious. They should have dropped the requirements to something which could have worked properly with 1800-2000hp Nakajima Homare.

The total production of Japanese single engine fighters and how many % each type makes of the total.

A6M 11 000 40%
J2M 600 2%
N1K1-J + N1K2-J 1500 6%

Ki-43 6000 22%
Ki-44 1200 4%
Ki-84 3500 13%
Ki-61 + Ki-100 3500 13%
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I love being a weeb, makes me think all of the planes they produced as being 'special' while the other nations just have boring generic planes.
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>>47358448
That ship was built in my home town and my Grandfather probably worked on it.
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>put oil hoses right next to the exhaust
>who could have predicted this???
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How would the Japs have fared if they were fighting the Soviet VVS?
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>>47360405
They fought soviet VVS in 1930s.
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>>47349053
id go so far to say that late era japanese fighters were some of the best in the war. it was just too little too late. same with italian but even more so.
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>>47361838
The army got Ki-84 and Ki-100
The navy got N1K1-J and N1K2-J
Shame A7M Reppu was already too late to enter
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i'll get away on the straits with turbo power
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>>47363423
Why did they use the code names, anyway? They didn't do that for German and Italian planes.
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>>47360405
they got dabbed on hard at khalkin gol and even harder by the soviet volunteer group in the second sino-japanese war
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>>47349053
Agree. Ki-100 would have been a major challenge but the war ended.
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>>47363400
Nice
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>>47364898
>Ki-100
IMO I think the Ki-84 is better.
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>>47349053
Not really.
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>>47368121
Ki-84 was better when it worked, but the entire point of the Ki-100 was that they needed a plane with near-Ki-84 performance but more reliable, hence the completely new engine.
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>Axis
>Create supremely aesthetic aircraft and ships
>However said designs were tied to failed states with retarded politicians
Everyone has to be a little mad to create true art.
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>>47349053
Why couldn't Japan into inline engines?
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>>47349053

If you had to fly a Japanese plane, which one would you choose?
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>>47368862
>>47356970
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>>47368862
Ki-61-I Hei
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Could have took a B17 for a joy ride.
AMA
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>>47369142
Pic 2
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>>47369142
Can you bomb California?
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>>47369154
Pic 3
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>>47369172
Pic 4
Have many more if interested >>47369156
wouldn’t it be nice tho
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>>47368862
Just comfy scouting missions
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>>47368498
>Ki-100
its like the inverse of a fw190 D9
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>>47359389
>40% were zeros
Damn, that's insane. No wonder they are like the only Japanese plane people know. Also makes sense as to why Japan's air power was getting btfo'd as new planes and tactics came around. They flew the same thing the entire time essentially. Same with the ki43.
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>>47349112

.... what need did Japan have for a heavy four engined bomber?
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>>47364023

Lack of intelligence, primarily:

As you might expect, not many "inside" sources in the Asia for the US.

Plus the Japanese used a pretty unstructured method for classifying their own aircraft, leading to confusion on the Allied side in indentification.

A US Airforce intel officer devised the naming system while stationed in Australia.

That's why Euro aircraft were kind of exempt. It was theatre specific.
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>>47369960

Japan was plagued by shortages.

Easy for arm chair logisticians to sit on the internet and declare that they should have done this or that.
But even those Zeroes were produced with constant limitations in materiel. More advanced designed eventually emerged, but they didn't have the capacity or resources to produce them.
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>>47369142
>Could have took
Doubtful, dumbass.
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>>47370235
Long range missions without sacrificing payload and protection.
Would've been nice to use at Guadalcanal.
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>>47370276
Like the fucking PRC. Everything was a Type 97 to -01, spread among different makers noone in CONUS had heard of.
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>>47370395
500 hours of high performance tailwheel time.
Also sat with the pilot and went through a full startup procedure by memory.
His reaction:
>where did you learn that??
Honest to god think if I had a co-pilot who could manage the engines, I’d be fine.
Guys with a hell of a lot less tail time than me have been checked out on it. And the way the pilots talk about it she sounds like a big piper cub.
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>>47364023
japans naming of the time is somewhat labyrinthine
there is a short and long naming system
the navy and army also have different names for the same engines
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Late war Japanese planes were pretty good. But don't get too carried away. Japan did end up losing the war afterall. Part of the reason was technical deficiencies. None compared favorably to the F8F Bearcat and P-51H which were produced in similar numbers to Japan's big 3 (N1K, Ki-100, and KI-84) and carrier based fighter development stalled out completely. The official exchange ratio from US sources is still positive for the much more common F4U corsair against these late war types despite being introduced before all of them.

With all that said, Japanese fighters were very capable and deserve respect. In the right hands they were very deadly. But there were not quote war-winners, and they weren't quite Me-262s.
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>technical deficiencies
The issue was lack of resources and to some extent pre-war doctrine and attitude. It's the whole reason they even tried kicking the sleeping giant to begin with, in the desperate hope they'd get away with it so they could consume more resources. They also had the kikka, which was more or less totally unique despite looking lot like a budget 262 that they created based on a drawing of a 262. The example germany sent them was destroyed before anyone could have a proper look at it, and apparently it worked just fine. The nips weren't retards, but they made a few massive strategic blunders that the states might have been able to afford which shortened the war a lot. Stuff like not returning their aces from the front to train future pilots, but instead just running their crews ragged until they got shot down which led to the kamikaze tactics because they were sending untrained green recruits against more numerous veterans in superior late war american fighters. The germans made the same mistake. One or two decently sized battles lost and you've lost the whole airforce with nobody able to train any new pilots. The best plane in the world with the most advanced technology is useless without a good pilot.
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>>47369156
California could definitely use a bomb bay's worth of incendiaries
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>>47351283
I like that frog camo
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>>47371732
Aren't they burning yearly anyway? Would be useless. Just go straight to nukes.
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>>47371777
>Just go straight to nukes
You would need a B-29 for that
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>>47371827
Just strap it outside the B-17 belly and go long. One way trip.
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>>47370811
>Can fly a plane
>Cant form a proper sentence
I'm fascinated,yet somewhat scared.
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>>47369960
The other reason is that most of the IJAAF was in China, and some in New Guinea in the early part of the war. Most of what US pilots flew against in the well known battles from 1942-1944 were IJN fighters, as the IJN had their own land-based units in addition to the carrier-based squadrons and A6Ms were used in those land units up to the end of the war.
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>>47370475
The issues at Guadalcanal had nothing to do with the lack of a 4-engined heavy bomber. G4Ms easily had the range for it. There were multiple far bigger issues:
>The Japanese were never able to develop the strips they started on Bougainville, Shortland, and Bouca into anything more than emergency strips when the campaign was at its height, so A6M pilots were having to run 6 hour+ escort missions for the G4Ms.
>They were never able to find the coastwatchers despite intense efforts to do so, meaning the US nearly always had early warning against any air or naval raid.
>They kept up the same formulaic tactics and strategies, running air sorties and naval sorties at the same times and routes to the point where US commanders could generally predict where and when they would show up even without coastwatcher warning.
>Command issues between the IJN and IJA, and also the IJN air fleet and IJN surface fleet HQs at Rabaul led to conflicting and contradictory orders to the tactical commanders running the sorties, and their refusal to cooperate led to piecemeal and uncoordinated air and naval sorties

Had they tried switching things up sooner, for example using USSR-style radio transmission obfuscation and redirection to fool the US as to the aim of Japanese plans, as they did extremely well during the Guadalcanal withdrawal in early 1943, they may have met with more success earlier in the campaign. Regaining solid footing on Guadalcanal was pretty much a non-starter after September though, and cutting their losses then to build up closer to Rabaul to flip the tactical situation on the US would have been a better choice.
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>>47351269
by the armistice in 1943 Italy was very short on serviceable aircraft (both side, the RSI and the south) and short on parts, so that by the end of the war there were barely any airworthy Italian aircraft out of very small production totals to begin with. In the immediate post-war era armies were re-equipping with new aircraft and tossed out most of their old stuff as historical preservation wasn't a thing.

Also there are only a couple airworthy 109s, and 190s have been reproduced from original plans with Russian radials recently whereas all the original tooling and stuff for Italian aircraft has been lost. There is I believe one flyable C.205 or 202 left and others that are close but kept in museums because it's not worth the risk.
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>>47351297
Sauce?
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The Magnificent Kotobuki
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Kouya no Kotobuki Hikoutai (The Magnificent Kotobuki)
Only watch if if you can tolerate 3D CGI anime.
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>>47372185
Yep, that’ll happen when posting on a chan late at night while intoxicated.
What’s your excuse for being an insolent cunt?
Let me see those boobas!
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This is my favorite fighter plane
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>>47373262
>>47373266
This is fag shit
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>>47349053
Ice cold take. It's wildly known Japanese aircraft engineering was decent.
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>>47373310
SAAAIIIITA HANANAAAARA
CHIIIIRUUNOOOOWA KAKUUUUGOOOO
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>>47373288
>Let me see those boobas!
You dont want to see my bitch tits, anon.
I'll let the transgression slide if you keep posting basted bomber pics tho
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>>47374231
Don’t you threaten me with a good time
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>>47373262
>>47373316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm50B1AsyHU
I shill you this instead, wish we got more realistic planefag animes.
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>>47375498
The Cockpit was great definitely, but Kotobuki was pretty fun. Not super realistic aside from showing off the Ki-43 startup procedure in the first episode, but it did a really fun air pirate theme reminiscent of Crimson Skies, and did it pretty well. Even moreso considering that I usually don't care for 3D CGI anime.
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>>47368619
Good question. Their only inlines were always license build foreign engines or slightly improved ones. They didn't have much experience in them, so they had problems training enough qualified maintenance personnel to keep them running.
For DB 601 the water cooling and the fuel injection system caused them some extra headache, but the main problem was lacking supply of nickel to make the crankshafts durable.
>>47368862
Ki-100. Reliable, easy to fly according to both sides and with reasonable performance and guns.
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>>47377314
/thread
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>kills your submarine
heh, nothin personnel, kid
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