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>>46027603first for Star
>>46025925Asking again>>46027996What's wrong with carrying a striker fired handgun in my pocket if it's in a holster and there is literally nothing else in that pocket? I carried the specific LC9s Pro I'm looking at buying back in my pocket for about two years before I moved to a commie shithole.
would I be a tard to snag a RIA m1911? I want to dip my toes into the .45 market. Also debating grabbing a xd45.
>>46028480>LCP II or LC9s Pro?>I’m looking for a pocket gun againlcp is better for pockets, lc9s/ec9s better for iwb
What handgun sights, in your experience, provide the quickest target acquisition with relatively good accuracy?Ive heard opinions of the Steyr M9 triangle sights being very natural; blacked out rear with a fiber optic front sight being another favorite, some REALLY like their Heinie 8, Glock U notch with a contrasting point being good at CQC, some like to shit on all the rest with a holosight..
>>46028536No. I’d also look at the SA Defender 1911
>>46028536RIA 1911s are alright, cheap, and somewhat rough fit and finish, but usually they work great.Resist the temptation of trying to replace a bunch of parts to make it a better gun, as you'll start running up into the cost of an overall better 1911 as that is. Replace the grips if you don't like them, and magazines by Wilson Combat and Chip McCormick are far better quality than factory RIA mags, and worth investing in, but beyond that, leave the thing stock. Perhaps sand/polish down a spot on the outside of the pistol if it's rough/sharp.
if you were gonna put together a full size duty gun w/ WML and optic what would you choose? Say you got $3k for everything, weapon, accesories, mags, holster.
>>46028935Spending $3k on a duty handgun is retarded.
>>46028624>>46028825appreciate the recommendation. I dont' want to drop a grand to get a 1911, but it seems like the more 'entry level' models are pretty much sold out everywhere. the RIA is 530 iirc, so a little more than usual but it's in stock at a LGS.
>>46028964No. It’s not. The same spergs who will sink $5,000 into an AR-15 will simultaneously carry a $350 piece of plastic to actually defend their life with. Literally ass backwards.>>46029125Do it.
>>46028480Second the LCP for pocket carry. It's invisible in your pocket, holster and all.
>>46029218Spending $5k on an AR is also retarded.
>Bought a decent flashlight for my pistol>Bought the last threaded barrel for my pistol in stock>Still got to get the silencer>Still got to get an opticI just want to own one tricked out gun and goddamn its the price of a small collection
>>46027603Recommend me a cc pistol that is9mmhas double stack magsunder 350$decent aftermarket partsdoesn't look like shit
>>46029494Shit like this reminds me why I stopped coming here.
>>46029531no one cares if you post here or not
>>46029494>under 350$>decent aftermarket parts>doesn't look like shitPick one.
>>46029557okay i pick 350 and doesn't look like shit, but has decent holster options
>>46029568>pick oneI guess reading isn't your strong point?
>>46029568just buy an apx compact
>>46029599I picked one to remove
>>46028092nice, I kind of want one of these
Got an AR as my first gun but now I need a handgun. Thinking Glock, not sure if I want a 17 or 19 and gen 4 or 5. Found some for sale at roughly the same price. Which should I pick?
>>46029740Go to a store and try out the glocks, then look at whatever polymer pistols also remain and hold those, then choose the one that fits your hand the best and feels the best in your hands that you can afford. Good luck on the glocks as panic buyers go for the big names first and may have your area cleared out already
>>46027603what do anons think of Rock Island Armory? someone wants to trade their RIA 1911 for my Glock 17 and I'm not exactly familiar with RIA in general
>>46029812See >>46028825The Glock 17 will probably be nicer quality and better made than the RIA. Unless you really want a 1911 or .45, I wouldn't be looking to make that trade.
>>46029812not an even trade at all
Question for anyone with a CZ82/83 or something similar: what kind of stances work well with the fixed barrel? I'm not talking if I should lock my elbow, but I'd like to be able to shoot from different angles, etc.
>>46029857>>46030076thanks frens, i won't be going with that trade. what gun would you consider an "even trade" for a glock 17 MOS gen 4? i originally wanted to trade it so i could get something more compact. another person is offering to trade their glock 43x but the grip is the same size as the 17s i'm pretty sure so the trade seems pointless
>>46027603just slapped this togethertoo bad ammo availability is fucked
>>46030125>even trade for a Glock 17?Glock of another modelSmith & Wesson M&P modelsBeretta 92 variantsFN FNX (9mm Luger or .45 Auto, not .40 S&W)GP100Vaquero
>>46030160Interesting, you do pistol matches or is it just for fun?
>>46029494Beretta APX unless you're a fag that hates the slides.
>>46030250Just for fun. Had this g17 for several years, gen 4. The other day I obtained pic related as well
Is carry insurance worth it? Heard that many refuse to pay even if something happens.
>>46029494hi point unironically
>>46027603>>46028622Orange or fiber optic front with black rears, but training and familiarity are more powerful than gear.>>46029494Taurus G2C, Canik TP9, PSA Dagger (someday) or Beretta APX. Aftermarket is largely legos for boys, it's a meme not a virtue.
>>46028825i almost really like that pistol except the giant ass logo on the side looks fucking retarded and ruins the look of the gun for me
>>46030763Aftermarket certainly isn't a meme for some options
>>46030820Earlier production Rock Island Armory 1911s had that big-ass logo billboard on the slide, but many years ago they swapped it for a small emblem behind the slide serrations.
>>46030844Those options are trash
>>46030410Yes but only if they self insure and have captive attorneys. The ones that dont pay use 3rd party insurance and part time attorneys
>>46030969Being able to suppress your gun or mount better sights/an optic on your gun isn't trash
>>46030844If there's a deficiency that can be improved or a preference that can be manifest that's one thing, but 95% of aftermarket isn't that. It's flashy rainbow speed hole go fast fauxperator larperator crap for the most part. Buying a gun FOR the aftermarket is stupid, buy the gun for its usefulness to you and if there's something that needs improvement there's likely a small niche of aftermarket already available. For example Gray Guns P30 latch and Apex M&P M2.0 triggers.I'm not a purist, like "nyet PX4 is fine," but aftermarket is a meme. Boys with Legos.>>46031003Yes that's part of the tiny narrow segment of "aftermarket" that is actually practical.
>>46031030Congratulations, you just affirmed what I just said>For some optionsNow you can continue complaining about racegun parts and shit.
>>46031044And by affirming some options you affirmed what I affirmed originally>Aftermarket is _largely_ legos for boysWe are simpatico good sir!
>>46030337What’s your comparison or likes & dislikes between the two?
>>46031003If your gun needs aftermarket to achieve this its trash.
>>46031148The HK feels significantly heavier than the g17 even with the comp and shit on it. Not sure if the new slide on the glock helped to cut down on some weight. I haven't fired the HK very much yet, probably like 70rds but personally find it more accurate then the barebones g17. Also more comfortable. Along with the weight I guess you could say it feels more quality/luxury. I like both guns, will probably get a different trijicon for the vp9 as it already has the cut out slide for it. The ambi mag release is neat.
where the fuck can i get 9mm? I'm down to my last 5000been through the first 3 pages of search and everywhere is sold out jfc
Anyone want a star?
>>46030125Glock 17 has a longer grip and is way thicker than the 43x, the 43x has 15-round flush magazines on the aftermarket through Shield Arms which basically turns it into a thinner/shorter barreled G19 for concealed carry.https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/glock-g43x-vs-glock-g17-gen5
>>46031667I'd recommend you buy a .22lr pistol now as its still sub 10 cents a round. 9mm is fuckoff expensive to shoot now unless you can part with your pre panic stockpile.
>>46029740VP9, PPQ, or M9A1
If i wanted to get a revolver, whats the best caliber? 357 magnum?
>>46031881.357 Magnum is a good choice, it's got some great velocity, but recoil is generally not that intense, most people can handle it pretty decently with a bit of practice.
>>46031906what about 10mm?
>>46028480Imagine yourself drawing a gun with a very short and relatively light trigger from your pocket under extreme duress. Now imagine what it feels like to have a new hole in your leg.Even with a proper holster, carrying a gun with such a short trigger is dangerous inna pocket. I understand that people want the best possible pistol but in this case you should just get a DA gun and strive to carry a belt gun more often. Many will disagree but it’s worth considering. I’ve read of stories from people with far more experienced than most shooting themselves while drawing a striker gun from the pocket WITH a proper holster.
>>46032116too niche and requires moon clips
>>46028935If weight wasn’t a concern I would get the Langdon red dot beretta and probably a surefire or tlr1.
>>46032673I'm glad that I got a llama 80four-and-a-half over a 90two
HK45C, worth it over a midrange 1911, glock 30 or XD45?
What you guys using for bore cleaning.
>>46028935you dont need 3k for a duty gun. get a glock 17 + tlr-1 for like 700. holster and an extra mag and you're good to go for like what, 800?just get 3 setups for 800 and still be below 3k for a single setup
>>46028935Duty ? G17 with X300 or TLR equivalence, something like that. Since red dot on handguns is indeed the future a basic bitch RMR will do. Boom, rock solid setup for far far less than 3K.
>>46028935Breh, you can get ridiculously expensive shit for $3k, I'll just say a LAR Grizzly to fuck with you. Don't need a mounted light with muzzleflash like this.
>>46031881Yes. Enough power to hunt deer, especially out of a lever, and can share ammo with even the smallest of pocket revolvers. Plus .38 is a great plinker, especially if you’re willing to reload.
>>46032944Stupid sexy Pachmayr grips.
Who makes good pic rails for mark 4s? I hear rugers are trash
Earlier this year I purchased my first handgun and got a Beretta 92FS and an AR-15 as well.Was looking to get a 9MM striker fired handgun this month, what's the best striker fired handgun?Not interested in Glock, the Smith and Wesson M&P9 M2.0 looks good. Also the Sig Sauger P320 looked okay to me.Something preferably in FDE
I feel like I have formally entered middle age with my recent 1911 purchase
>no modern 6o'clock revolversthis shit sucks
>>46033063if you're married to FDE, then vp9
>>46033090isn't the Rhino one?
>>46032990>.22Is this what you're planning to use it for?
>>46032746But is it BLUE????>>46032990>I hear rugers [rails] are trashThey're not, that's retarded. Volquartsen, Tactical Solutions and EGW all used to make really nice rails but I don't see any for Ruger Marks anymore so idk. This was back when Ruger was sticking really cheap extruded Weaver rails instead of proper nice 1913 rails they use now, so maybe Ruger aced them out by outmoding "upgrades." What makes you think the factory Ruger rails aren't good?>>46033063There absolutely is not a "best," but if glork and M&P M2.0 caught your eye definitely check them out! They're both good. P320s are.. I don't know what to think anymore. Also check out the Walther PPQ, HK VP9 and Beretta APX. They should all have FDE versions. Don't pick anything based on anyone else's recommendation, pick what YOU like.
>>46033134not any of these guys but bro in law picked up an APX for $175 dollarinos and I was jealous
>>46033115too oldI crave NEWalso rhino's sloping shit looks bad
>>46032826A N S W E R NSWER
...god damn it BerettaThe hidden banner is bigger than the cover banner>>46033204Hoppes #9>>46033166DANG man, did someone have a crack habit to feed and unloaded it for a song? That's nuts
>>46033305probably meth, I don't know but I was shocked
>>46033134>But is it BLUE????Yes it is you dolt
>>46028825Springfield isn't bad if you can spend a bit more. But RIA is not bad by any means.
>>46029494Right now shit is fucked but going off normal pricing any used glock, m&p, or similar is the best. If you really want new security 9 isn't bad.
How does the VP9 compare to the PPQ? Want to get one or the other.
Should I get a Dead air mask HD 22 or a ruger silencer?
>>46032460Where did you get the Jericho grips? I need to get a set for the friend I gave mine to.
>>46033537If only>>46033660They're largely equivalent. In what way do you want to compare them?
>>46033134Thanks for the advice anon, I know there isn't a best just wanted an idea of what's good.Definitely not interested Glock at all, narrowed it down to the Smith and Wesson M&P M2.0 or the Walther PPQ.
>>46033537Shit, we posting blue frames?
>>46033867I guess trigger and fit and finish mostly.
>>46034048talk about maximal aestheticsalso that well used memory card slot A, wonder if that GC played a lot of PSO
Dang. The LTT trigger bar doesn't really fit as-is, and removing material to fit it is harder than I thought.>>46034001If you can rent and shoot them to compare side by side that's ideal, but if not you should be able to find most of those in stores to handle and see what feels/looks/costs best to you. Check online for pricing before buying from a store, you may save a lot.>>46034109Overall quality is roughly equivalent, though the VP9 uses some inexpensive processes. The PPQ has a better trigger. Some PPQs have more creep than others (this is something you can select for if the shop will let you look at guns), but even with more creep the PPQ's reset is shorter. Both guns have sort of a chunky takeup feel but imo takeup is completely irrelevant. imo HK has better sights (Walthers are a little skinny). Both guns have roughly the same recoil feel. HK now has 17 round mags, Walther still has 15.
>>46027603Just ordered a TLR-7A for my M&P. Debating on pulling the trigger on an Apex trigger kit and calling it a day upgrading this thing. TRUGLO TFX Pro sights get installed Monday.
>>46034319>Dang. The LTT trigger bar doesn't really fit as-is, and removing material to fit it is harder than I thought.
>>46034380also ordered a new holster that will fit the light. decided on giving the T1-Echo a try.
I’m thinking about getting an XDe. I really wanted a DA/SA single stack and this is the only one out there. Anyone shot one? Is it worth it to get the Langdon tactical version or should I just get the trigger job in a bag? 3.3 or 3.8 inch barrel?
>>46034627Langdon version of the 3.8 for comparison
Just picked up a SP-01, is dry firing without snap caps okay?
I just bought my first handgun. It's a star ultrastar. The gun looks incredible and the price was too good to be true but I can't find anything about these guns anywhere other than nearly decade old forum posts. Did I make a mistake buying one of these or did I do alright?
>>46033774https://www.anyxdesign.com/work/941Guy isnt making them at the moment but may have another run soon.>>46033827Thanks, are yours DS grips? Didn't realize they would be so chunky
>>46034879Nah, you're gonna bust the firing pin retaining pin, get some rubber o-rings to block the hammer
>>46034879Like the CZ75 SP-01? No, you shouldn't really dryfire it that much, unless you replace the rollpin retaining the firing-pin.Get snapcaps anyway, they're good for practicing handling and loading and what not.
>>46035115i hope so. six week wait on them right now. does the little thing that tightens the cord ever dig into you?
>>46035214Dont feel it at all with the spacer in place
Just got this Ruger p97 for 400$Its very impractical compared to double stack 9s. But 45 is a cool meme.
>>46034879Its fine.>>46035134>>46035166You're going to have to replace the pin anyway. Its a wear item not a failure point
>>46035278Also what's the heaviest 45 hollow point weight? (That's also common)
>>46035092Thanks for spoonfeeding me anon. <3
Should I get a Dead Air mask HD? What happens if the supressor store I get it from goes out of business before my 9 months are up?
>>46035278Nothing wrong with .45 Auto, if that's what you have, people have been putting each other into the ground with revolvers of comparable ballistics since the 1800s, and you have the advantage of reliable hollowpoints, detachable 7rd magazines, and a single-action trigger that resets itself after every shot.
>>46035359Is it safe to carry a decocked DA/SA ?I don't want the decocked hammer to bump into something and the gun go off.
>>46035409That's the entire point, otherwise why would it have a decocker?
>>46035440So that you dont have a cocked hammer. I understand the DA trigger pull is longer and heavier which makes it safer, but idk if dropping the gun on the (decocked) hammer or hitting the (decocked) hammer would make it go off.
>>46035475No. firing pin block is a thing
>>46035409On the unmodified Ruger P85, it wasn't actually very safe (at least one P85 pistol fired from using the decocker), so Ruger recalled them and put out a Mk. II version, the people who sent their P85s in got a Mk. II version in return, which was fine, and the rest of the old Ruger P-series was fine too.They actually offered to upgrade the P85s for a very long time, in fact, I don't even know if they ever stopped offering it.
>>46035475I can't think of a single da/sa gun that doesn't have a hammer block
which is a more chad caliber: .45 or 10mm?
>>46036008a gun that has two barrels that can shoot both at once
HI frens!I got my new handguns!92x and uberti SAA repro in .357!Ima go shoot them tomorrow!Ive wanted these for a long time!
>>46035314Hornady makes a 300gr .452 caliber projectile for .45 Auto, but I don't know if there's any widely available commercial offerings of ready .45 Auto with hollowpoints that heavy.Generally though, 230gr is common for good reason; it actually works quite well. You see some 200gr .45 Auto loads, even some 180gr ones too, and probably some stuff which is a little heavier than 230gr, but I'm not sure you would really gain all that much from 300gr projectiles with .45 Auto, I kinda figure that you're wanting to be using .45 Super to actually get your worth from such heavy projectiles, you might see troubles with expansion (but someone with experience with them is free to correct me).
>>46036169If it's one thing Spaghettis are really good at it's automatic pistols and reproduction cowboy guns.Also M1 rifles.
Just found a pre b CZ 75 online for $450I alrady have a 75b, but I'm thinking of selling it to fund the pre b.Anyone have a reason why I shouldn't?
>>46036267Also really heavy bullets like 300gr would really call for some stronger recoil springs.
>>46036169Great picks, anon. Have a great range day tomorrow.
I made this in Ms paint, god please open the ranges :3
>>46036877How do you like your FsN?
>>46036169Hey dude! The patrician round trigger guard, obviously superior to squarelets.
>>46030329Ah, a fellow APX lover.
Keep the red dot or go back to aesthetic irons?
>>46038085Whatever you do, it's hot.
>>46038085I'm liking the irons. I feel like dots are better suited to boxier polymer guns than styled wood and steel ones.
How retarded is a 25ACP ankle carry? (Backup)
>>46038220Cheers>>46038324I agree. I'll probably make the change then. Might also replace the front with a thinner fibre optic one tho
>>46038360Absolutely retarded. Get a .380
>>46038085The red dot mount is going to mar the finish isn't it? My inner collector screams at a rare gun being needlessly blemished.
>>46038360You pretty much need ankle carry to be really light like that, so .25 Auto or .32 Auto, something like that, it'd be ideal.>>46038399If he can find a nicely light one, and I'm sure there's some. Look at a Ruger or Kel-Tec one.
What's a good Single Action Army repro?>>46036169Let us know when you've shot it!
>>46038403Nah, I put some tape under where the mount sits.I'm pretty anal about marring on my guns too.Also, any wear you can see on the gun was done by a previous owner
Don't talk to me or my son ever again.
>>46038475Uberti makes a nice one, as does Cimarron and Pietta. USFA made exquisite ones with minor internal improvements to make them more robust, but they wanked their entire company away so you're usually paying a premium for theirs. Colt also do make theirs as well, if the branding means a lot to you, though a rule of thumb with nuColt is that you can find the same quality for a lower price, or better quality at the same price.A common alternative is Ruger's revolvers, not 100% clones, instead featuring a transfer bar for safety, and omitting the half-cock. Also available with adjustable sights. Lacks some of the authenticity, though they also have more utility that way.If you want a .22 caliber one, they make the nice Single Six/Single Ten, and the inexpensive (but quite solid) Wrangler.There's a lot of good options on the market, everything between authenticity and utility, in a wide variety of price ranges, and that makes me happy, because I like the 1873 and its clones and derivatives.
>>46038603>USFADidn't they self-destruct making the dumbest, least reliable firearm ever made?
>>46038714Yes, the Zip-22, the greatest shitbiscuit of a 'pistol' known to man, and a total deathtrap.USFA Rodeo:>high quality clone of one of the most beautiful revolvers ever made>every single goddamn part and component except the grips made in-house, even the springs, pins, and screws>great fit and finish, THE number one choice for engravers and other artisans who wanted to crunkalize an 1873 style revolver>improved spring fittings, compared to the not as durable original Colt setup, you could use these hard and they stood up to it>available in numerous caliber offerings, even real old and awkward ones which are only still alive because of Cowboy Action Shooting (the best place for them)>fits your hand as perfectly as the originalThen:>ridiculous rimfire blowback pistol>shape alien to human hands, like holding onto a block of random bricks of Lego superglued together and with the sharp corners polished down>bolt literally made out of plastic, no, seriously, and has ridiculous bolt velocity as a result, often outruns the magazines, especially BX25 ones>manual of arms which are ridiculous and unsafe, basically have to sweep the muzzle with your fingers to cycle the action>ridiculous ideas about attaching it to a rifle to employ it in various tactically and legally questionable manners>atrociously uglyThe contrast is just unreal. If nothing else, it's a reminder to appreciate the nice things in life, and to seize opportunities while they're there, because they might disappear one day, and possibly for very asinine reasons.
>>46038781You're forgetting the best part>manual describes a pic rail undermount accessory, so you can mount a shitbox .22 underbarrel on your rifle that actually works, requiring a tax stamp and giving you literally zero additional functionality
Hey guys, I'm trying to decide on a 9mm 1911 for ipsc and other comps, and been looking at the Springfield Combat Operator.Thing is, I much prefer the classic looks of the Range Officer model.Do you think an RO is worth getting? Or can it be a good performing gun with a bunch of mods? I would love something like a Dan Wesson, but we're pretty limited in terms of different makers down here in Aus
>>46027603I'm looking at safariland holsters for a pistol with a light and they say one model will hold multiple lights, like the apl, tlr1, x300, and some lights I've never heard of. How forgiving is the fitment if one holster can fit all those different lights? Should I buy a heat gun just in case? I don't want to hit it with a heat gun and still not have it fit, then have a holster that I can't use or return.
is $350 + $60 ship/transfer a good deal for a beat up FEG hi-power? I bought one from mosincrate
>>46036365If you ever plan on using it for anything other then range use, they are less safe then the b models. And in the absolute longest time horizons they will eventually be collectibles. However CZ does make models for competition guns without the firing pin safety as it does make the gun's trigger just a bit better; so they will never really be super valuable as the appeal of it being "the greatest CZ 75 ever made tm" isn't there, except in Gunsmith Cats.Do whatever you want, both it and yours are cool, and that seems like a cool price that you found for a pre b. They lack basically lack a firing spring safety and they never had a decocker. So for the purpose of a service SA/DA handgun they are worse, but they are very nice for recreational purposes/larping.
I’d like to add a USP compact in .40 and a ruger single six or wrangler soon. If I wasn’t in California I’d buy a Sig P210
Do you guys like collecting lots of pistols and keep them stock or do you like focusing on a few and customizing them for your tastes?
>>46038085What model is this? It’s perfect!
>>46039497I like changing the grips and some times the sights but mostly focus on collecting them.
>>46038085Dovetail mounts are cancer. Cut it or forget it
any opinions on these, looking to upgrade my p80 sights
>>46039704Rear sight seems like a meme unless you do a lot of long distance shooting with pistols. If you're looking for self defense sights the Trijicon HDs are very nice for the price and cover a lot of models and options especially for glocks.
>>46039704It would be pretty sweet if you could flip the peep sight down and have regular sights but then flip it up for longer shots.
>>46039704Dumb and youre dumb for bringing it up
>>46039497I’m not a collector. If I own a pistol it’s for a reason. A double stack subcompact for EDC carry. A micro compact for the hottest days of summer wear I’m wearing minimal clothing. A full sized beretta 92 for the nightstand and an AR15 for hunting/SHTF. I customize them all to suite their purpose if need be.
>>46027603DA/SA Sig in 45 ACP, cop surplus: yay or nay?
Should I even bother buying a 9mm handgun as my first gun right now with the ammo shenanigans going on? Or should I consider something else?
>>46040152The shortage will end at some point so don’t buy a gun just because of the panic buying going on right now. It’s not like 9mm is completely unavailable it’s just hard to buy in bulk right now and you’re going to have to call around to find some defensive ammo. My local gun shop still has some basic hollow points for a fair price givin the circumstances.
>>46040174I mean I don't mind waiting, but I've been going to the range trying different guns lately, and was thinking maybe I should consider something other than a 9mm. I also own a .32 revolver I haven't fired I guess (grip is a bit too small for me to comfortably use) but gunbuyer got their P-10C back in stock, so I was thinking of snagging it since it was a really great little gun. I was gonna go to the range today, but i was actually gonna call them and make sure they even have ammo for their rentals because the last few times i've gone, they've been limiting it to one box per customer. At least I managed to squeeze in a bulk of my 9mm handgun shopping before the shortage got worse.
>>46040152You shouldnt bother buying anything other than 9mm under any circumstances.
I really can’t decide if I should buy the apex trigger kit for my M&P2.0 SC. The stock trigger is fine but my brain is telling me to upgrade the trigger which will basically complete the gun. At that point it would have a TLR7a, talon grips, truglo tfx pro sights and the apex trigger. Not much more to do after that short of getting into cerakoting. I’m on the edge making the decision. Someone push me over the edge one way or the other please.
>>46039497Collecting is the gayest thing you could do with guns.
>>46040188What have you tried? There are more really good 9mm guns on the market than ever before. Pretty much every polymer 9mm these days is going to run like a clock so it just comes down to ergonomic preferences and possibly aftermarket support. Personally I do t like the p10 or the glocks because of the square grip. I much prefer the ergonomics of the Walther, HK and M&P. To each their own.
>>46040230Tried most of the mainline. I actually think I may prefer the VP9 to the P-10C, but I haven't seen any VP9's in stock anywhere that weren't really pushing the envelope on price, at least the ones with the buttons. I live in Colorado as well, so a lot of dealers here don't even bother stocking them now that they upped the standard mag limit.I also didn't mind the M&P, but I just wound up enjoying the grip on the P-10 a bit more. I think the PPQ might be fine if I put a different backstrap on it...I've just been trying the ones at my range and I have small hands so I think it has just the standard shipment on it. I don't think I could go wrong with any of them personally, I was also maybe going to give the APX a spin today
>>46040188>>46040252P-10Cs are great guns but right now the mag situation is kinda screwed. What used to be close to 30 bucks a mag is now 40-50 and a lot of over 15s are sold out. 10s are still available easily but expensive.
>>46040271Is there anything that doesn't have a screwed mag situation? I don't really mind just owning two mags for now and reloading them at the range. And if anything, I can just keep the one full of HPs for home defense and then just go to the range with the one mag.
>>46040328Everything is fucked. You picked the worst time to buy pissible. A smart person would just wait.
>>46040349I'm pretty sure i'd be waiting for a year or so anon. I don't think this is getting better anytime until 2021 if we're lucky. I mean really what's an extra 100 or so bucks + 10-20 for a few extra mags? I'm not that poor.
>>46039551It's in the filename friendBeretta 92 Combat
I have a M&P and I don't like it, should I just buy a glock?
>>46040363You havent needed a gun before. Whats another 6 months.
>>46040378Glocks are worse. Have you tried shooting better?
>>46040388this honestly. i think the panic is going to be over here in a few more months. demand will drop, shelves will restock and prices will fall back to something approaching sanity.
>>46040378How do you "Not like it"? Aesthetics or shooting?
>>46040378what don't you like about it? they're one of the best polymer gun s on the market. do you have a 1.0 or something?
>>46040403Just in time for a spicy election
>>46040388>>46040403Why do you think the panic is going to be over in 6 more months? It's an election year, and even if Donnie wins, people are gonna be panic buying up until then. I'd agree if it wasn't an election year, but seems like we have a lot of waiting to do. Surely I'm burning more money going to the range and renting a handgun vs just paying an extra 100-150 or so to own one.
>>46040414meh pistols wont be affected nearly as much as AR's. sleepy joe isn't threatening pistols nearly as much as he is "assault rifles". regardless thew demand will be lower than it is right now. manufacturers are reporting the highest demand they've literally seen in history right now.
>>46040429>Why do you think the panic is going to be over in 6 more months?it wont totally end but this current level of demand is unsustainable. ammo manufacturers are reporting demand 10x greater than the post dandy hook panic.
>>46040429If you can personally afford it I'd get your kit now. I've been buying accessories for my defense pistol since those haven't jumped in price and I'd rather hold onto the ammo I have now and practice with my desired setup rather than train more on a setup I won't be using in the future.
>>46040378Anyone have the original of that image?
>>46040414Gun control wont be as big of a big election issue this time. Waaaaay too many new gun owners.
>>46040460Its more the panic because Biden released a standard retarded gun grabbing scheme that only Fudds would not complain about. Probably not going to happen but it gets people going.
>>46040460you obviously haven't seen biden's gun control plans.
>>46040473>>46040471I'm not worried
>>46040471>Probably not going to happen but it gets people going.make sure you vote fore you state representatives. if the dems take congress biden's gun control will get passed on day 1.
> While working to pass this legislation, Biden will also use his executive authority to ban the importation of assault weapons. neat
>>46040408Shooting>>46040412I do have the original in 9mm
>>46040489Plus 200 dollar tax stamps on all those pistol mags over 10 rounds IIRC.
>>46040502Jesus make living in Colorado a bit more awful why don't you>okay sir, here's your full size pistol>we will need to charge you 50 dollars to make the mag compliant>and then don't forget your tax stamp!
>>46040492>I do have the original in 9mminstall an apex trigger. the stock 1.0 trigger is notoriously bad but the gun itself is fantastic. just drop in that aftermarket trigger. it will totally change how you feel about your pistol.
I rented a CZ 75 BD at the range yesterday, and it had no safety and a "decocker" but it didn't actually decock, it dropped the hammer to some sort of weird half-cock. Is this how it's supposed to work on the CZ? Every other decocker I've seen drops the hammer pretty much all the way, but I've never seen one that drops it half-way.
>>46040544also talon grips are well worth the $20.
>>46040547Yes its designed to drop to half cock. Its not the only design that does this. You can google shit like this instead of asking stupid questions.
>>46040571Wow hostile, maybe you can find a dick to suck to let off some of your stress?
>>46040571not even him but get fucked asshole. i hope your whole family dies in a car fire.
>>460405021911 chads win again. How do we keep getting away with it?
>>46040612by living in a never ending fantasy land consisting entirely of delusion and self righteousness.
>>46040579>>46040583>waaaah spoonfeed me pweease
hello, it's me, a fellow pistol
>>46040896How does that work, exactly?
>>46038085I'd say the dot looks good on the new Langdon model but it sits too high on this version.
>>46041371Dovetail mounts are terrible cancer
>>46038360P32 exists which makes any .22 or .25 irrelevant. P32 is actually lighter than any of those guns.
>>46041277pull trigger, it goes bang.
>>46038940Whats the difference aside from finish, sights and rail? I would imagine the internals are the same.
>>46039245As long as the slide isn't cracked. My brother bought one years ago and it doesn't work because a triangular shard of steel broke off.
>>46040195I get your thinking but if it works well keep the price trigger. Something about making a short, light trigger even shorter and lighter sketches me out personally, but I prefer DA/SA anyway.If anything, I would get that thing milled for an RMR or holosun.
>>46040378Yours probably similar to many of us who prefer a hammer fired gun. Keep the m&p and get an m9 or something.
>>46038360Get a Seecamp in .380Super high quality and super tiny
>>46041450my problem with the stock 2.0 trigger is it's huge amount of takeup. the break itself is perfectly fine but i prefer a trigger that breaks almost immediately and the M&P2.0 trigger is the exact opposite of that. as far as the RMR, i have an astigmatism that basically rules those out for me unfortunately.
>>46027603Picked up an old Sig Schnauzer P220 in 45Boomer last week. Has night sights, short reset trigger, short trigger and two mags for $350.I’m a glock goy so this is new for me. Had Sigs before and dumped them for more glocks, but i think I finally “get it” now.Impressive accuracy.
So today I learned I was failing to properly check on one crucial factor of sizing my handguns -- whether or not my thumb can reach the mag release. I really thought I liked the p-10c, but after renting another one... My bitch hands can't reach the fucking button without needing to redo my grip... But it's probably the backstrap it ships with, so a smaller backstrap should solve it if I'm close to the button, yes? May actually opt for an m&p since with the standard backstrap I can DEFINITELY hit the button.
I just tried an APX on rental. I like the gun but it seems like the mag kept falling out when I racked it. Is this me not pushing the mag in well enough, or is it a symptom of being a worn rental gun and/or mag? I actually kind of liked how it felt otherwise. I really had to manhandle it when racking through.
>>46042262>MUH handfeels Most hands fit most handguns . Practice shooting more
>>46042262>May actually opt for an m&pas long as it's a 2.0 you will have no regret with that choice.
>>46042294putting a loaded mag into a gun without the slide locked back is always notoriously difficult. you gotta wack the fuck out of them to get them to seat properly. in the future lock the slide back and insert the mag then release the slide. this is true of pretty much every gun.
>>46042295I have stubby fingers through :( and if I can't reach the mag release with my thumb, kind of sucks. I'm heaving considering a vp9 though so if I get the palm release then it's a moot point. >>46042298Yeah it felt real solid when I used it. The grip is pretty aggressive though but I could get over it. I was gonna get a shield as my ccw. I had a lot of fun shooting it.
>>46042294You probably didn't push it in enough.>>46042317What in the actual fuck are you talking about?
>>46042317How fucking weak are you. Thats only an issue on certain rifles
>>46042317Sorry, to clarify yeah I was doing it while the slide was locked back. So then I would rack the first shot and the mag just flat dropped out. I think it may have done it after I fired a shot as well. Was kind of odd since I enjoyed the gun otherwise. Nice grip. Had a lot of kick though which surprised me for a 9mm. >>46042347Ok, then probably it. I'll add it to my list of guns to buy since they are still pretty well priced. Think I might buy the centurion.
>>46027603>picoAh, a fellow man of culture. If only berreata would make a holster that's compatible with the light.
>>46042347>What in the actual fuck are you talking about?>>46042351>How fucking weak are you. Thats only an issue on certain riflesthis is a common issue with polymer pistols.
>>46042317literal faggot with woman hands
>>46042443No. No it's not.
>>46042529it really is.
>>46042558Maybe with a botched Polymer 80% build. Not a common problem with manufactured pistols.
>>46036877What in the fuck did u do to that mk23
>>46042443It really isnt
>>46042443What pistol are you having this problem with?
>>46042707He isn't because he doesn't own any
any recommended holsters for cz p10c suppressor ready?
Need a handgun mainly for self defense. Keep hearing that I should get a 9mm but they're expensive as hell right now. .22s are still the same price, and ammo is way cheaper. Should I just get a .22 and call it a day? I feel like dumping a couple .22 rounds in someone should stop them from raping my family.
>>46039492You really want the Compact? It doesn't have the hot little dual recoil spring mechanism that makes the full size so nice to shoot.Also Sig has a lot of guns on the roster, maybe they'll get a P210 approved in the future?>>46039497Why not both!I collect some guns which I don't shoot often and do not modify, but some guns I play with and modify for the fun and shooting enjoyment. I don't go nuts with customizing though, usually just a touch here and there to make it "mine." Remove a magazine safety, change grips, lower power hammer spring or something like that.>>46040195I've waffled over the same thing for a couple years now. I like Apex but the M2.0 trigger is better enough compared to the old one that I still err on the side of keeping my $150 and having an imperfect trigger lolI think the M2.0 trigger is perfectly usable and I'm a trigger snob. It's not good, but it's far from bad, and I shoot well with the pistol as-is so I can't really convince myself it needs it, like the old M&Ps do.>>46040378Unless the ergonomics of glok tickle you, you're probably not going to experience better from it than from your M1.0. But it's worth trying a glok if you have a rental range near you, can you do that? Before buying
>>46042986>Should I just get a .22 and call it a day?NO>I feel like dumping a couple .22 rounds in someone should stop them from raping my family.NO
>>46042986Get a 9mm doublestack and buy just as much ammo as you need to get used to point blank shooting, then buy whatever defensive ammo you can and make sure you have a mag loaded with it. If no defensive ammo is available or if its too expensive for you, just use the same ammo you practiced with.
>went to shooting range>found out my aim is shitfeels bad man
>>46040896lol no way. Is that approved or is it another "they did it so why can't we" hail Mary? lol>>46041876That's a great deal on a nice gun!>>46042986No you should not. What 9mm are you looking for?
I want a new fun.I have a Glock 19 and a Shield 9mm.I don't feel 'undergunned' with a single stack, but I should probably grab a Hellcat or P365 to be honest. However, I also want to expand. I want a 45, 10mm or 357Sig. I'm not partial to any of those calibers in particular, but I do like autoloaders a bit more than revolvers. If I were to get a revolver, I'd want a S&W Model 13. Anyway, thoughts?
>>46043207There's likely a reason
>>46043216Stop posting these garbage charts.
>>46043259Keep blaming your gun then.
>>46043214You have strikers so maybe a DA/SA is in the cards now? Sig P220 in 10mm? Or 45? Or a Beretta 92/M9 of some sort in 9mm since you mentioned not being partial to alternate calibers.>>46043216There is but that chart's not gonna help him lol
>>46043267Im not that guy but useless charts like the one you posted have never helped anyone.
>>46039497A little column A, a little column B.
>>46028964Shut the fuck up stupid ass poor retard. Just because your life isn't worth $3000 doesn't mean mine or somebody else's isn't. >>46028935Depends on what guns you like really. You could go with Beretta Elite LTT RDO if you like 92, or you could go glock/m&p/cz/whatever if you want a plastic striker, or you could get a Staccato but you'd probably push the budget with that. Lots of options. >>46029274Yeah it's retarded if you make $20,000/yr. If you make $100,000/yr then why not? >>46029740If you're not CCing it, 17 will probably fit your hand better than 19. Gen5 is better than Gen4 in every conceivable way. >>46030763>training and familiarity are more powerful than gearShut the fuck up piggy, you don't even train so how would you know?>>46028622Fiber front and black rear or contrasted fiber rear are best iron sights, period. 100% of competition shooters who have any idea what they're doing run this setup for a reason. >>46031030>all USPSA shooters are playing "Legos for boys"Every day you further affirm what a stupid fat faggot you are.
>>46043278>>46043269Charts worked fine for me at least. I haven't had an issue correcting misses after using one of those charts before.
>>46043269>not being partial to alternate calibers.Oh I only meant I'm open to any new caliber.I'd be fine with another 9mm, but if I got another 9mm, I'd probably buy a Hellcat first and then venture into full size all metal pistols like a 92Fs. I was leaning towards 45/10mm/357Sig because in my head I'm perceiving those to be more 'fun' shooters than just another 9mm right now to me.
>>46043327Alright, if you're so incredulous, why do you think those charts make no sense?>Inb4 some faggot eceleb fishing for views video
>>46043355They dont address the individual faults with people's grips and hand shapes. It assumes everyone is gripping thw handgun adequately and that everyone has identical hands.
Hello SW chads I need your help. I picked up a SW model 411 chambered in .40. I am looking for different holsters for it. IWB/OWB. What holsters will work??? All model 59 holsters? 3rd gen holsters? I think its dimensionally the same as the model 59/3rd gen/ 910 whatever but would like a second opinion before ordering anything.Thanks 90s SW bros. Pic related
>>46043355>posts chart>instantly 3 different people tell him they are no good>b-but they worked for me, I swear!>goes into defense modeEvery time.
>>46032826Hoppe's 9Anything more expensive is just selling you the same thingAnything less expensive isn't worth the bottle it's in
>>46043366Ok, you do realize people with a brain will figure out that maybe their stance or grip is off if they keep messing up in a certain way right? If your grip is off it will have a certain effect on how you pull the trigger. Its not hard to teach yourself proper handgun grip, you don't need some washed out vet charging you 189.99 plus tip. >>46043378Anon, people here think 1911s are unironically still valid carries.
>>46043397>its not hard to teach yourself proper handgun gripT. Someone with shitty grip
>>46043397Anon. Most people have 0 gun experience. Especially pistol. They lack what you and I may consider to be common sense around the subject. I can tell you haven't taught many people to shoot. Usually the very first thing they fuck up is the grip or shouldering the rifle properly.
>>46043418You have to be 18 years or older to post here. >>46043419I make my money in other ways besides regurgitating common sense to bored suburban moms at the local indoor range. You even admit the chart still has value, this is just goalpost moving at this point. You're making this about something else entirely now.
>>46038085Never understood front serrations on 92sI just use the front part of the slide
>>46043445>maximum defense mode: engagedThe chart also isn't helpful because not everyone anticipates recoil the same. Not everyone breaks their wrist the same. It's a chart that jumps to a lot of conclusions. Correcting shooting on an individual basis is the best, most foolproof way to do it.
>>46043484>How dare you stand up for yourself you're being defensive stop standing up for yourself!Lol, anyways you admitted it was helpful if you have the right stance. I'm not going to waste my time and shit up the thread discussing this any more.
>>46027603What's a nice compact CCW capable handgun? I've heard nice things about the cz P-01 C, is that truly a good choice?
>>46043511>anyways you admitted it was helpful if you have the right stanceI never said that, ever. I never even replied to your original chart post. I'm just replying to your freakout about it.
>>46043511Thats nice of you. Keep your trash yourself next time.
>>46040657Why even give a (you) if you're just going to be assmad about it?
>>46043532The p10c is a great choice as is the p01.
>>46043549Cool thanks anon.
can factory Beretta F model 92Xs be converter to G easily?
>>46043301>sith logic>mad at everythinglol Grow up>>46043342I'm the opposite, I think .22 is the very most fun, followed by soft 9mms, followed by everything else. >>>/wsg/3561204 Any reason you're interested in a model 13 instead of a larger, heavier, softer shooting .357?>>46043532It is. You might also consider a S&W M&P M2.0 Compact, HK P2000/USP Compact or Beretta APX. Any other criteria you're trying to meet? You interested in strikers only or DA/SA?
I'm considering buying a milsurp Zastava M57 Tok from Sweaty Ben for $219, is it worth it?
Have any of you ever seen a polymer framed handgun that almost looks metal framed? Is such a thing possible? The closest I've seen is a smooth glossy finish, but nothing I'd call metallic.
>>46036365If you like drop safe keep the b
>>46041644I don't think a striker fired gun without takeup is a good idea. If that's what you desire then I suggest keeping the m&p as is and buying a 1911. If you had a manual safety m&p it might not be a bad idea but I would personally keep it stock.
>>46043207Pistol shooting is far more difficult than rifle shooting. Get the fundamentals down and practice a lot, especially dryfiring.
>>46043214>but I should probably grab a Hellcat or P365 to be honest.Eh, you're shield will do just fine. I recommend getting a .357 mag if you'd like to broaden your horizons so to say. Otherwise a 1911 or m92 would be a great addition.
>>46038940not having experience with those two guns personally all I can tell you is that I started shooting IPSC with a CZ75 I quickly changed out the front sight for a fibre optic and I find it way better for transitioning between targets. RO might have a nice thin front sight which is good for precision though so it's really up to you what suits you better.
>>46044196>Any other criteria you're trying to meet?I'm really just looking for something that would work for self defense.>You interested in strikers only or DA/SA?First pistol, so I'm not entirely sure which fits me better. Strikers seem nice, based on a quick google since I had never actually heard the term before
>>46046217Striker will be easier to learn
>>46046217Hammer fired pistols overall on average tend to have better single action triggers than strikers do, but there are some nice triggered strikers out there. If you don't want to go to a store and check them out, or better yet rend and shoot side by side to see which you like better, I agree with anon and default to suggesting striker.Read the relevant sections of the pastebin in OP if you like, but tl;dr handle or rent some guns and see what you like, and once you have finer qualifications for what you want, we can help more.
>>46027603Realistically how long do we see this shortage going? Fuck I want a handgun
>>46046641November at least
>>46046659If it isn't done by November then I think it's gonna get worse because ye ol' electionbut if you believe Trump wins then yeah Novemberish
>>46046670Doesn't matter who wins. Trump has been anti gun since day one idiot.
>>46046701yeah but which is more anti-gun?
>>46046707Yes thats it. Keep cheering the 'lesser' of evils until they're fucking babin the whit house lawn during press releases.
>>46046731I never said I'm voting for either. I just said one is worse than the other
>>46046743I disagree. And I think Jo is full of shit.
Man. Just found out that Colorado Supreme Court upheld the magazine ban and the fucker who brought the case didn't even argue the 2nd ammendmentStop fucking donating to these clowns
>>46046844Did it occur to you that this argument hasn't held up for the last 100 years?
>>46046875Yes but the fact that it wasn't brought up was even addressed in the decision.Can hardly buy full sizes here. Fucking sucks.
>>46046670>but if you believe Trump wins then yeah NovemberishI don’t see re-election a win in Donald’s future. He has alienated a lot of the middle ground voters and energized the democratic base like nothing we’ve ever seen.
>>46046893So the judges acknowledged that it is unconstitutional and still let it stand? Thats fucked.
>>46046932Something along those lines has been my understanding. But I think what came out of the whole thing was basically "well, you sued in relation to the colorado constitution so get fucked lol." I might be mistaken, and I'm no law/politcal fag, but that's my understanding of the whole thing. So they looked at the Colorado constitution, went "yep it's fine" and here we are. The older I get and the more I see this shit, I just understand more and more that these people who file this shit ONLY exist to collect donations and profit off of trampling on our rights. I finally see the light now.
>>46046928Well not to turn this thread into /pol/ (it's on autosage anyways so realistically who cares) but i agree. I think it's hard to make the LE SILENT MAJORITY claim this time around. I have a hard time thinking of anything he's done right or wrong though. I really just consider him to be a wet floppy noodle.
>>46046962I keep telling people and they keep laughing at me. Stop voting. Stop paying taxes. Stop calling police.
>>46043014I would like a full size in .45 but that’s too rich for my blood at the moment
>>46040152.45 Auto is fine too.
Narrowed my choice for a second 9mm handgun to either a SW M&P9 2.0 Compact or the Walther PPQ M2.Any anons with experience with these firearms? It seems that they both have their both have their strengths and weaknesses.
>>46047495M&P has better ergos imo and less muzzle flip.
>>46042986Get anything in .38 Special, .357 Magnum (the latter can also shoot .38 Special), .45 Auto, or even .40 S&W
gonna go to the range for the first time tomorrow. I have some disposable earplugs and 26db nrr earmuffs i usually use with tile cutters and shit. thats good enough for 9mm yeah?
>>46047563Yea, that'll be fine.
>>46047510And a better price.
>>46047510>>46047605Thanks anons, I don't plan on installing an Apex trigger and would rather just use the stock trigger.Is it as bad as some people say it is? I've read that it's quite improved over the 1.0 trigger.
>>46047811The 2.0 trigger is fine, the trigger safety is a little different than other striker-fired polymer guns, which is why most people change the 2.0, but the break/reset is infinitely improved.
>>460478112.0 is good to go out of the box.
>>46047495You're right they both have plusses and minuses. Lemmie give you a side-take; the PPQ's higher-than-average recoil will never be as low as the M&P, but the M&P's decent trigger CAN be made nearly as good as the best PPQ triggers, should you want to do that.>>46047563If outdoors that's fine. If it's an indoor range you might have some ringing or a headache after a couple hours of shooting.
>>46028313who made those grips?
>>46048090>muffs and plugs>ringing indoorsNo.
>>46048168I'm just worried because my muffs aren't anything fancy, they're not electronic and not specifically for shooting. and the plugs are just the dinky foam orange ones
>>46048168Confirmed, I'm retarded, I thought he said 26db plugs. I cannot read and also cannot stop sucking dicks.>>46047563>>46048219I can't read, my bad. That's plenty for indoors or outdoors. That's what I use as well, muffs with cheapo disposable foam plugs under. It's too much hassle to use my fitted plugs and nice tethered plugs aren't comfy when the tether is smushed under the muff cups.
>>46048219Thats exactly what ranges give to people who show up without earpro
>>46048259All is good, thanks for confirmation. How many rounds do you guys generally go through each trip to the range? I just have my 50rd box but I was thinking of picking up another if they have em.
>>46048305200. Its not worth the range fee for anything less. 200 rounds isa well rounded minimalist practice for me.
>>46048090Thanks bud, I've settled on the M&P. The pros far outweigh the cons and I've warmed to the idea of the Apex trigger.Appreciate all of the advice of the forum, thank you
Thoughts on sidecar vs just having individual mag carriers?Seems way more comfortable especially in summer, since I'm a fat fuck who can't appendix (yet)
>>46048431Individual hands down. Easier to work around different belts and belt loops. Less bulk overall.
>>46048305I shot a lot of 22, so probably around 500 per trip on average with about half of that being .22.>>46048415You're gonna love it :)