Janestyle, a popular application for browsing 5ch, dropped support for 5ch.net on the 10th of July. The API key that it used got revoked. And get this, every other 3rd party application that relied on the "Jane API key" is now broken as well (which, to my knowledge, is all of them). Japs are now in complete panic mode.
>>43993772is it related to reddit doing a similar move, these website owners are trying to exert more control or something?
>>43993772realistically 4chan killed 3rd party apps long ago with the impossible captcha system for posting, at least I haven't found any that work with mobile anymore
>>43993800Could be, Twitter definitely started a chain reaction of API stupidity.
>>43993772Any alternative?
I was wondering wtf happened when my chmate stopped workingI guess jim watkins is really going full shekelgrabber now>>43993803This is true, I don't think you can post from any of the apps anymore. Blue clover is great for lurking though
>>43993879Currently, no, as the API server was solely in Jane's hands, and it doesn't look like there will be any other API-like means of access for a while.
>>43993772All the threads I browse are ghost towns. One of the most active threads I frequent, which gets 1000'd once and sometimes twice, in some special occasions thrice a day, has been up for nearly 2 days. Is it over?
>>43994498Might be delusional but feels like this could cause long-term user dropoff if this keeps up a bit more. 5ch users already call it a site for old people, I think a lot of the kids are close to ditching it for twitter
>>43994284Apparently changing the "ch" in the URL to "Ch" will let you load threads through mate
>>43994914>for twitterTwitter is dying, and you can't post anonymously there.
>>43995959Wtf I thought Musk was our guy???
>>43994914>Might be delusionalYou're right, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. API changes mean nothing to the end user, even if an end user is a 5ch posters, and 5ch especially has been in a constant state of "the site is dying guys we gotta go" with basically no one ever actually going. There's something you know better than anyone; when you pick a site, you stick with it. That's why you're still unironically looking at /jp/ in 2023. That's why am I! >>43995959Everythings anonymous if you disconnect it from your "main account" nowadays. You could be ななし with an @ like s765Hdaf3547lkjwrftw and many people are. Granted the people who try to be anonymous on bigger websites like that are usually just the kind to get pissy about whatever rather than ever actually talk about anything but that's a different conversation.
>>43995959Twitter is doing ok. It will be fine.
>>43993879I moved to Siki. It was uncomfortable at first but actually it's better than Jane Style once you get used to.
>>43994498Maybe it is because you are watching Talk(talk.jp) not 5ch. JaneStyle still works (both mobile and PC) but it is now a browser for Talk which is basically a 5ch copy site. It is hardly noticeable from 3rd party browser, other than Talk has less people. I don't know about the details but apparently someone wanted to take 5ch users and bring them to Talk. But it was failed because their move was too sudden and forced.
>>43997498This is what I use as well, it has support for browsing 4chan/futaba and many other bbs.
>>43993772>>43993800>>43993835what with people shutting down API lately? I don't understand why they keep making everything worse and worse.
>>44001329The web has consolidated to such an insane degree that each of the 10 or so sites people regularly use now has a monopoly over its domainWhen that whole reddit drama was happening I lol'd at anyone who suggested another exodus was possible, like the whole Digg thing was gonna repeat itself. That's just about as likely as Texas seceding from the union or something. The internet is just like the Wild West, both a vast, endless frontier that was mapped out, settled & sold to the highest bidder. Everything is consolidated. Fuck the end user, you can do whatever you want to 'em. Not to say the reddit blackout wasn't very pathetic but even if they did everything right it's not like it would have done anything. 5ch is twitter is reddit is the same
>>44001352The end of history was suppose to happened. We were supposed to live in eternal Y2K era forever with limit government/media consolidation of the net and infinite website domains that could stretch on forever like a garden of eden of happiness. I don't understand how these bad things could happening afterward why?
>>44001352Even ignoring the consolidation part, people don't like to leave "their" websites to begin with unless it literally shuts down, which was way more common back in the day with forum-hopping. >>44001393Capitalism. Standards of all kinds of things go up, it costs more and more to run things which make it harder and harder for everyone else to start their own thing.
>>44000778is it a pc app?
>>44001577This, and the average intelligence of people is average... before the internet started to suck, it was populated mostly by above average people
>>44001393That's just how life is. What goes up, must come down."It's a bad sign when things are going too well"
>>439938034chan is delightfully open, I've written my own clients for command line and monitoring. I don't use them to post though, just browse. If you can handle json and takes its a breeze. I have been meaning to tru doing something for 5ch because the web interface is so horrible I hardly ever use it.
surely hiro would never jew us on the API r-right?
>>44002021why are none of the 3rd party apps able to do posting at all?
>>44002072I thought at least one of them had the slider captcha integrated90%+ 4chan users are lurkers anyway so it's not like it matters much
>>44002094if you know which one it is let me know, preferably for iphone but I also have an android too
>>44001329>what with people shutting down API lately?There’s a lot of buzz now about using social media site’s and their archives as training data for AI and the site owners want to be compensated for that.
>>44002371yeah, Twitter is suing Meta for scraping their data to use for training their AI, pretty big lawsuit I think and they do have a valid point
>>44002371That's really just the cover. API's are something you have to work hard to properly maintain and only gets worse as more and more developers want to use it, while also providing you basically no direct income outside of the now-hefty licensing fees. Course, that's not to say AI isn't the problem because in most cases it is, but the real problem has always been "we don't give a fuck about anyone using our site to make money or make things easier for anyone". If you don't believe me I'll direct you to the whole fuss about people getting shadowbanned for, and I shit you not;Posting fucking links.
>>44002474well if they are posting links to spam, it makes sense
>>44002489Posting ANY links anon. Ranging from youtube to pixiv to a dead geocities page and everything inbetween has a chance of getting you shadowbanned. And having some in your profile only puts a bigger target on your back.
>>44002537Makes sense from a product management perspective. Don't want your cattle to leave.
>>44001329we had a decade and a half of fake economy propped up by cheap credit after the 2008 crash, now interest rates are rising again and suddenly everyone built on loans and VC capital needs to start showing a profit
>>44002184Readchan works for android.
>>44002184I use kurobaEX for Android.
>>44001623Yeshttps://sikiapp.net/
any of you gaijins go there before? what it feels like? need for research purpose
>>44003489thanks
>>44002072I don't know, i haven't tried any of them and never tried to implement posting. So you're right in that sense, it's not so open. But when I am writing code I usually just want to browse/ analyze data, and in that sense it's very easy - you can basically just append '.json' to any 4ch URL and you're done. Look up biblioteca anonyma if you want more on how the internals work.
https://find.5ch.net/search?q=api
>>44009673https://find.5ch.net/search?q=jane
>>44002072The only real reason is that it is a bitch to implement 4chan's custom captcha compared to the read-only API .>>44002021>I don't use them to post though, just browse. A little known fact - if you have a 4chan pass and the proper cookies you can still post from the straight HTML form without loading the captcha or any javascript, so I assume you could integrate POST replies if your had a pass..
>>44005379I exclusively browse jfoods every so often just to see the deals and the shitposting. It's like Japanese /ck/
>>44009769link please?
>>44010824https://itest.5ch.net/subback/jfoods?orderby=ikioi
>>44005379I look up info on announcers.>>43998069>>44001066I use this userscript to embed the images that are linked to in posts.https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/468685-5ch-net-image-inserter
>>44010844thanks
なんｇ is the best anon board on the internet
>>44018752What's the difference between なんg and なんj ?g - https://nova.5ch.net/livegalileo/j - https://eagle.5ch.net/livejupiter/
>>44018829j used to be the best board but something happened to the servers i think and all the fun people migrated to gnow j is 過疎ってる and g is 最強
>>44005379There's one place that I know of where non-Japanese are allowed to post.https://lavender.5ch.net/english/
Use 2ch.sc instead.
>>44020373hiro simp
is there a Japanese language board that posts a lot of gravure like every day?
>>44020488https://fate.5ch.net/idol/Sample threads:Kikuchi Hina #19https://fate.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/idol/1688118101Fubuki Kei #2https://fate.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/idol/1667495296Meirihttps://fate.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/idol/1637576201Use this userscript to make images viewable.https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/468685-5ch-net-image-inserter
>>44020540thanks
>>43993803KurobaEx+autocaptcha is da way
>>44020488Go to find.5ch.net and search for グラビア or anything else you're curious about. It seems to do a thread title search.https://find.5ch.net/search?q=%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%83%93%E3%82%A2
>>44025256cool
>>44025256slim pickins for that search term unfortunately
>>44001329To be fair, most sites aren't shutting down the API, they're putting a price or free limits on it.In this case it looks like the API key that one group was using was also being used by a number of other groups for their apps, which is a dumb situation to be in. If you have API keys then they should be given either to specific users or to specific applications so that if the user/application is misbehaving you can invalidate that key.If the key is shared around then the misbehavior of one actor affects all the others.
>>44020540Their equivalent of the catalog is behind a link that reads : スレッド全一覧はこちらhttps://fate.5ch.net/idol/subback.htmlIn its default state, it's an unreadable wall of text. Click on the green link at the top that says 表示スタイル切替 to put each thread on its own line.
>>43993803>>43994284Chance is what I use on mobile now. It has a built-in capcha solver.
The talk.jp guys are using bots to fake traffic, making up fake baseball games and filling them with bot posts saying UOOOOOHHHH and LET'S GOOOOOOOOO lol
If you write "Does anyone else?", like 5 bots will reply "I do!" no matter what
>>44034846is that a phone app?
>>44037239>>44037365This is more validation for the dead internet theory.https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php?threads/dead-internet-theory-most-of-the-internet-is-fake.3011/
>>44038096It's honestly not all that hard to achieve if you want to do it.Hell, I made a fake procedurally generated 4chan for fun many many years ago.The basic version was a simple sentence generator, but the 2nd version that I never bothered to complete would have been a way more substantial system that generated a virtual person with likes/dislikes and behaviours. (I used that system for something else entirely though)Websites killing off APIs will only make it harder for bots, but not impossible.I mean, let's face it, what is cheaper for a website operator - 1) a controlled API that gives only the required data that is requested2) a bot loading the page directly, requesting unnecessary crap, wasting even more bandwidthI'd rather have the API, even if people never paid for it. Simply have API limits for abusers, problem solved. This whole "either or" approach is retarded. It only causes a cat and mouse game where they inevitably lose. Someone wanting to scrape your site(s) without permission WILL scrape it whether you want it or not. Only massive websites can afford to create complex obfuscation and DRM to stop people scraping data, and they inevitably fall as all have previously. (DRM especially)Current captchas are flawed. The shitty one on here was beaten in 7 hours by someone on /g/ for shits and giggles.It has since been taken advantage of by spammers and botters for malicious reasons. (usually spamming threads to shut them down directly or indirectly via frustration)
>>44048274It's almost as if, with enough permutations, someone can build a neural net to recognise letters and numbers with accuracy approaching that of a human.Honestly, these days anti-bot stuff is just a bare minimum skill barrier.
>>44048343YepI even called it the day they added it that it was going to get cracked open so fucking easily.I expected it would take maybe a day or 2, but when I woke up the next day it was done in 7 hours. The fact this piece of shit captcha is still in place is mindboggling. They're either being paid to keep it there or they don't give a fuck. So many boards are filled with obvious and not-so-obvious spam and bot posts.
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>>44048274>The shitty one on here was beaten in 7 hours by someone on /g/ for shits and giggles.I didn't know that, did someone make an app that can beat it?
>>44053372None public that I know of.There's one that was used by some Discord shitters, and some by some other imageboard to spam /b/ with.The guy on /g/ never released his because he knew it would be abused, but he did show his overall progress and got thread-deleted several times in the process. Probably banned too. lol
>>43993803I never understood what the point of IB apps was. I mean, on PC things like 4chanX are obviously better but the phone apps just dumb down the whole experience considerably further.And why do phonefags complain about the captcha? Is it because they are iToddlers who can't figure out how to install a proper, full-sized keyboard on their shit phones?For me browsing image boards on my phones is almost no different than on my PC.
>>43996598>Everythings anonymous if you disconnect it from your "main account" nowadays. You could be ななし with an @ like s765Hdaf3547lkjwrftw and many people are.No, you can't.That's called namefagging, or personalityfagging, or avatarfagging, or tripfagging, or whatever you wanna call it. The fact remains that you assume a persona to which all posts made are tied to. This is completely against everything anon stands for - where each post is judged by its value alone, untethered to any pre-conceived personality. Lurk ten more years.
>>44054074For 4chan it is just phone addictionThe 5ch app meanwhile is pretty much necessary since the site is designed so badly>And why do phonefags complain about the captcha?The most recent captcha update broke all 4chan apps but one in terms of postingIt is interesting though. If the goal was not to make it bot-proof then what was the goal of the new captcha?
I use the PC all the time when I am home, but when I am out and about I would like a quick easy way to check in here and make posts on the fly that isn't a complete pain like using the phone browser and trying to zoom in to read the captcha then zoom back out, etc
>>44054795not to mention it would be really nice to have a single all in one easy to use app to read and post multiple sites and easily see all the images, etc.
Which gets more traffic: 2ch or 5ch?
>>44058843is there a 3rd contender too?
>>440626303ch isn't real
>>44062630I prefer 1v1 over battle royale.
>>44062690is 8ch gone forever?
>>44048912it does seem to help though
>>44054648>If the goal was not to make it bot-proof then what was the goal of the new captcha?It's probably more effective than using Google's captcha simply because that's a service where there is a constant massive incentive to compromise it from more popular services. So while the 4chan captcha may be less sophisticated, it is more resilient against script-kiddies.Also Google can't fuck over 4chan by pulling the carpet out from under them as easily now (Cloudflare still could).
>>44064769I thought the issue with google's captcha was that it wasn't intended to be used as often as you would use it for posting, so it'd end up making it harder and harder to solve.
>>43993772Why would they do this? Site itself is shit to use and navigate. Using janestyle was simply mandatory to have a good experience there.
>>43993803Works on my phone
>>44065009Where'd you hear that from *besides* the people complaining it takes forever to solve? That was an issue if you had a suspect (privacy-sensitive) setup, because Google's captcha uses your personalized browser info to distinguish from bots. I don't think that specifically would be a big deal to the admins if the captcha was still effective at keeping bots out in the long term.
>>43993803>impossible captcha systemGit gud
>>44069579in this day and age, everyone should be privacy sensitive
>>44018829cool
>>43993772Jim Watkins is to blame>JaneStyle expressed her feelings about the 5ch coup turmoil "Advertising space was stripped from 5ch management" http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/10072158.html
>>44074264interesting
Am I wrong to think that one could build an interface to 5ch without an official API. Its web front end is ancient and doesn't change that much, so it seems like a stable target for scraping.
>>44082141I wonder this too, preferably one that would auto load all the pics too
>>44020260Thank you, I would really like to find some Japanese people to talk with.
>>44082502I speak to Japanese people every day in person, must suck to be somewhere where this isn't what you can do too
>>44082639Yes, I am learning two languages I can only barely speak locally and it's painful. I tried coping by making a new way to write the local language, nope didn't work, now I feel alienated in three ways.
>>44082668that is brutal, I'm going for a walk right now and will get to speak Japanese to someone in about 15 minutes
>>44082688Still not sure how it happened. I'm going to go back into kobudo and see if that helps, there must be a way to migrate, or at least to meet more people in meatspace.A good day to you.
>>44082424>preferably one that would auto load all the pics tooMy userscript does that, and it also lazy loads the images so that the images don't start loading until you scroll near enough to them. That way, image heavy threads won't crush your bandwidth as hard.>5ch.net image inserterhttps://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/468685-5ch-net-image-inserter>Lazy Loading img tagshttps://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Performance/Lazy_loading
>>43997498you will never be japanese
>>44083335cool
>DAT file descriptionhttps://info.5ch.net/index.php/Monazilla/develop/dat>DAT file url template"https://${info.server}.${info.domain}/${info.board}/dat/${info.thread}.dat">Examplehttps://fate.5ch.net/idol/dat/1688118101.dat>Corresponding Threadhttps://fate.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/idol/1688118101
>>44086333For a read-only system, you need this plus+ a way to get a list of threads and+ a way to get a list of forums.That's all public info. It's spread across a lot of domains which makes it a bit more confusing than it had to be, but it's not insurmountable. I haven't investigated posting yet, but there are probably predictable endpoints for that too.I'm left wondering, what the fuck do you need an API for? What did it even provide that wasn't already public data? I'm a 5ch noob so I sincerely don't know, but I'm curious.
how many hours of programming work would it take to make a mobile multi chan app that can read posts and auto load pics, and maybe to make it easier to add posting just give you a button to get the link to the post so you could just open it in your browser to do any posting?
[Sad news] All the proxies I used to post on 5ch with are blocked now
>>44088363Look in to residential proxies.
>>44088801how do those work?
>>44086428API's are way simpler to use and predictable
>>43993803Currently posting from KurobaEx
Anything for iPhone?
>>44091271There are companies that rent IP addresses and bandwidth from people who have internet service subscriptions to their home, and this bandwidth is resold to whomever wants to appear as if they were a residential user. A lot of VPNs use IPs from big data centers, and those can be identified now, so this is the next step in the arms race between those who want to restrict access by country and those who want to have access.https://proxyway.com/best/residential-proxies
>>44097982That's funny
>>44097987can you access those through a proxy? in other words, use say protonvpn to access the residential proxy to get the benefits of proton and be able to access sites that block the big data center vpns?
>>44099869I've never tried, but I'm sure someone could figure out a way to configure that kind of proxy chaining.
>>44100019I need to look into it, as it stands, normal vpns are kind of useless because almost all the sites one would want to use as a daily casual thing make it impossible to do with any of the big vpn companies. For example, even trying to sign up for instagram while on a vpn like mullvad or proton and you get banned for no reason.
>>44101086VPN detection is very common now.https://vpnapi.io/
>>44101179what do you recommend?
i thought everyone moved to shitaraba already. except for couple of long running generals
>>44107392That's just a 避難所
>>44053372>>44053687Pretty sure that AI model is public. KurobaEX and a firefox addon uses it.
Did they seriously block foreign IPs on the find subdomain or what?
>>44112396Nah works for me in the US
>>44113560Ah it works again now. Must've been maintenance. I see they also fixed the user interface, it's actually fucking usable now. Guess the whole JaneStyle thing shook 'em up a bit.
>>44054074This. I don't get the point of using apps for websites anyway. Why would I want yet another abstraction or some shit web-wrapper when i could just go in my browser that does everything the app does anyway?
>>44113644I only use 4chan apps for the nsfw board when I'm having a toss. The gallery function is vital
>>44001577judeo-capitalism, you mean. When exploited by bad actors, it becomes satanic and against the people, sucking off their wealth to the last penny. No one wins except the parasites at the very top.
>>44113644I get why there are apps for 5ch. The UI on its web site is bad even by Web 1.0 standards.
>>44113644The website was so broken for the past few years until literally today that it was pretty much unusable.Like, you would have to scroll all the way near the bottom of the page just to see the actual posts.
>>44113644on the phone the browser is extremely painful to use
>>44113653especially vital for any of the other chans I think
>>44109181any solutions for iPhone?
>>44117923>on the phone the browser is extremely painful to useI don't find this to be the case for 4chan. On Android, I install the Kiwi Browser which lets me install Violentmonkey extension. Then I can install 4chan X. That's been good enough for when I'm browsing on my phone.5ch, on the other hand, is begging for a better UI. It's better on mobile than it is for desktop, but there's room for improvement.
>>44126231my eyes have difficulty with small print so I have to try to magnify and move the screen around to enter a post and work the captcha, it is quite painful
>>44126438That's legitimate.
I wonder how hard it would be for Koruba to port to iphone
Have any of you Linuxfags tried this?https://github.com/JDimproved/JDim
The scriptfag is destroying both nanj and nang now...
>>44135200>scriptfagWhat's going on?
>>44135476Trolls made some autistic guy mad so he developed a script to spam 2 of the fastest boards
been exploring with kuroba, any boards you can recommend?
>>44135516lol, probably not trolls that made him mad though, probably jannies
>>44135200What's moderation like on 5ch? Not being able to post due to being outside of Japan, I've never got to test for myself what gets through and what doesn't.
>>44144756The 4chan style timeouts are not a thing, instead of temp bans you get IP blocked but 5ch/2channel has a notorious history of randomly cycling bans on IPs with little rhyme or reason. So to get IP blocked on purpose in 5ch you have to make a big amount of people angry several times until somehow the site mods catch wind. Which means guro spammers and trolls have a lot more freedom there and get away for days or even weeks. It is really weird, like a portal back in time to 2008 era 4chan when spam was everywhere, & the site often went down so people hopped to different chans some of which had their own community. Even in 2023 you still have lots of refugee sites like おんｊ, 防弾ｇ, shitaraba boards, etc. And they get used really often. This is kinda weird but I wonder if 4chan's entire approach to moderation is what killed off this site's fun-ness. I want an alternate history version of 4chan where moot never got taken to court, where doxxing/spamming was never cracked down on, captcha was never implemented, and off-topic/NSFW was allowed on every board. You can barely do anything in here without the mods breathing down your neck, just check 4bans if you want an idea of what deserves a 3-day vacation nowadays
>>44145738>This is kinda weird but I wonder if 4chan's entire approach to moderation is what killed off this site's fun-nessthere is no doubt this is what ruined 4chan
>>44145738What killed 4chan was its users, the more time passes the more we reach a new low of low quality posters, and its all the fault of phones.
>>44054099By the standards of what you think anon is, this is a kuso post.
>>441457384chan would be unusable with the level of current bots and old-style moderation. What made really old 4chan good was ruthlessly cracking down on bad posting etiquette and having a tight-knit community. Truly laissez-faire moderation is only "fun" for malicious actors who don't want to face consequences.
One thing 5ch and other Japanese sites do right is to IP ban the rest of the world. It makes it harder for foreign entities to wage info war on them.
>>44146762this is true about the entire internet, I miss the good old days when the average intelligence on the internet was about 30 points higher
>>44148391wish they didn't use Twitter or instagram either
>>44148255>What made really old 4chan good was ruthlessly cracking down on bad posting etiquette and having a tight-knit community.We are not talking about what made it good though, but what made it fun. 5ch is filled with tards and there is no posting etiquette, but it's still fun. Anyway I digress
>>44148255Truer words, etc.I MISS the nazi moderation of yesterdecade. It kept out absolute shit-tier people and the site was still loads of fun.Needless sagebombs and other undesirables got shitslapped the fuck out of here.But then moot had his little pubescent shitfit and kicked out one of the few mods that actively hunted down dumb gaiafags, weebs and raid kiddies and told them to fuck off back to wherever they came from."No", that's not for little mooytkins. Nope, no sir, he wants the drama, he wants the hassle, he wants to be welcoming to dumb FYAD fucks and shitty forum children stinking of the place.Snacks is a cunt now, but I still would rather have current-Snacks over anyone here. Just clone the fucker. He can DJ and mod. Problem solved.
>>44153046overmoderation is never a good thing
>>44153059I dunno man. I had way more fond memories of 2004 than I do now.And that's not romanticization of the past. There was a lot of shit. But it was a lot of fun shit too because most of the userbase of this site were generally intelligent and tech literate.Now there's just a lot of shit and very little fun shit, with a site now filled with iPhone and Android users. That's arguably a numbers thing though. There's way too many people versus mods / jannies. Way too many. The tools are also shitty, based on most of the leaks we've had over the years.It's funny how, over the years, there's been loads of requests to ban phoneposting. Won't happen. If any group of people were to be banned, it would actually be desktop users. because they ARE more tech literate and can block the ads! Most people browse via the mobile site despite the apps.
>>44153310overmoderation is what we have now, 2004 was way more free and way more of a wild west attitude, I agree with you things were way better back then (and even better in the 90s)
>>44135516what boards?
>>44156675>what boards?>>44018829https://nova.5ch.net/livegalileo/https://eagle.5ch.net/livejupiter/
>>44157609thanks
>>44157609Is anyone else seeing this?nova.5ch.net won't send a response to an IP in Los Angeles, but if I use my proxy in Japan, I get content back.
>>44165659via Japanese proxyhttps://nova.5ch.net/
>>44165659>>44165669itest.5ch.net/subback/livegalileo seems to be workingfor some reason it only seems to affect the desktop version of the site? sasuga JIM
>>44166376They do this dumb bs all the time
this whole thread is a good read, some real quality posters contributing
>>44153310>>44153352One thing to keep in mind is that moderation is not necessarily curation, but the two are often conflated.When people want a open space independent of (a certain) quality, moderation sets the level ground from which a subset of discussion can occurs.When people want a good space of a certain quality, curation promotes the discussion of that quality from the ground level.4chan these days seems to have varied moderation per board and virtually no curation (though plenty bogeymanned), while in the past it would actively discriminate the quality of discussion to the point of curation, depending on the time and board. /b/ was so exceptional for it's lack of that precedence, really.
>>44170421I've done some mod work before (not here). What you quickly realize is banning people/deleting posts does close to nothing. When a community is good, it's not because the mods are doing their job -- it's because bad users just don't go to that community. Good communities are self-sustaining, a couple bad eggs show up now and then & it's very easy to get rid of them. But say you have a place like /v/, how on earth would you even curate that? This is one of those things that can't possibly scale up.4chan moderation barely effects the quality of a board, for better or worse. Obviously mods themselves can do a lot to change the quality of the site, like changing rules, giving us new features, opening up new boards, removing ads, etc. But deleting and banning people does almost nothing. People who have never modded before would be surprised at how little it changes things.
>>44175715I wanted to see how slow the download was, but to my pleasant surprise, the linux appimage was downloaded quickly. Now, I can read 4chan and 5ch from the same app. That's kinda cool.
>>44176194does it also work for Kohlchan?
>>44176194what's the graph on the scrollbar supposed to mean? Chmate has it too
has anyone tried JaneXeno?
>>44176995Yes. I'd even say the only rules that truly matter are rules 1 and 10 (no illegal stuff and no spamming). You could remove all the other rules and the site would be 90% the same, maybe even better. There's been only a few times where I was glad mods were around, but way more times where I was angry mods deleted a perfectly good thread just because it was "off topic". Meanwhile 5ch has no topicality rules and it works great. And if you give rulesfags everything they ask for, you get a site like Futaba. A boring, dying site where people barely even make jokes or have a sense of humor, and no one writes dissenting opinions because they'll get DEL spammed until their post is gone. You wanna hear my solution for 4chan? Split boards like /v/ or /tv/ into two, and you govern one of them like 5ch, and the other like Futaba. All jannies will be moved to the Futaba-style version with stricter moderation than usual, while the 5ch versions will have no rules except global rules 1 and 10 (and maybe the doxxing rule, can't remember if it's required). Most people will use the 5ch-style version, while everyone who complains about board quality will move to the much more moderated futaba-style one. You give both sides what they want, both sides are happy.People will say 4chan already tried this with red/blue boards. But the entire idea of that is retarded. When a guy makes a shitpost thread on /tv/, it's because he wants to discuss it with /tv/ users -- that's why he makes it there. I'm pretty much certain this would fix 4chan's moderation problems in one fell swoop, but of course I'm some rando, so who cares.
>>44177112It seems to show where in the thread images are, but there might be more to it than that.
>>44177018>does it also work for Kohlchan?No.>.... は解析できませんでした
>>44177794that's a shame, that is a great board
>>44177382what happened?
>>43996006
>>43996006Musk is doing a lot of good things desu
any other boards that have a similar board like /gif/ here?preferably more Japanese content?
>>44177382>>You wanna hear my solution for 4chan? Split boards like /v/ or /tv/ into two, and you govern one of them like 5ch, and the other like Futaba. All jannies will be moved to the Futaba-style version with stricter moderation than usual, while the 5ch versions will have no rules except global rules 1 and 10 (and maybe the doxxing rule, can't remember if it's required). Most people will use the 5ch-style version, while everyone who complains about board quality will move to the much more moderated futaba-style one. You give both sides what they want, both sides are happy.The /v/ splits introduced a few years ago seem to serve that in an alternate way. And it does fuck-all to the dude looking to shitpost on /v/, for better or worse.
>>44188459All the good stuff is posted on nip twitter now, you gotta follow themBut futaba does have gif/mp4 threads on may a lot, might even find some accounts to follow there
>>44001352>The web has consolidated to such an insane degree that each of the 10 or so sites people regularly use now has a monopoly over its domainThe founders of Google accidentally turned the internet into a monopoly of 10 or so websites that everyone uses. Had they went with a different algorithm for their search engine then maybe the internet would look like a very different place.
>>44188874True. Great for people who like RPGs, but you can't just split /v/ into a million more boards4chan wants to cater both to shitposters and serious-discussion-havers, but the shitposters make serious discussion very hard to maintain, while the rule-heavy moderation also makes shitposting not as fun as it should be. So you end up with a bland compromise where neither side is really satisfied.
>>44189031>4chan wants to cater both to shitposters and serious-discussion-havers, but the shitposters make serious discussion very hard to maintain, while the rule-heavy moderation also makes shitposting not as fun as it should be. So you end up with a bland compromise where neither side is really satisfied.In practice this leads to islands of discussion on boards, which can coalesce into a general board (or just general) culture. Nothing of permanence or long-term consistency, but worthwhile in the moment.The problem is trying to find these islands as someone who is not already in that context. Being a true /jp/sie wouldn't give you insight to some great series discussion on /co/, for example.
>>43993772Don't care, all the threads I use moved to either jbbs or jpnkn
>>44189028sadly google is still adding to that, I remember 20 years ago you could google any topic and lots of random small forums and blogs would pop up in your search, now google search just gives you garbage and google never supports small forums anymore, I hate google for this
>>44191251Similar thing happened to youtubeRemember when you could go down a youtube rabbit hole of progressively lesser known videos? Now it's just the same handful of vids everyone else is watching, but it randomly suggests a video with 2 views now to compensate
>>44191457>but it randomly suggests a video with 2 views now to compensateI've had a fairly-informed acquaintance about those "weird no-view" videos from people I've known about that without prompting while they were browsing - they WANT to be hooked in with what's been popularized over what hasn't.Unfortunate, but hard to say they're "wrong" when they are clearly looking for something I'm not.
>>44191851I read your post 3 times and I still can't quite figure out what you are saying
>>44192632Forgot a verb:I've had a fairly-informed acquaintance *complain* aboutBasically they got a niche video, noticed, and complained about it as if it were a fluke to be ignored.
>>44192770Kinda makes sense when most of them are just crapFrom my memory old youtube used to have clusters of related videos and they would recommend based on that instead of how many views. So if you watched a video with 100K views you would get a bunch of vids on the same topic that are like 20 or 30K views, then click on those and you see new recs with like 5K views, etc.Maybe I remember wrong though
>>44197304I notice how youtube is really making it hard for new producers to actually get a chance at views, I see a lot of quality channels with lots of quality production videos and every one has less than 125 views
>>44198824If you follow the YouTube meta and have good thumbnails that stuff does tend to get picked up by the audience in the end.The problem is that smaller, niche creators are kinda getting choked out because the system is not as good at finding their audience. Like if you make a 20-30 minute video essay about a game or show, the algorithm is great at promoting this shit which is why these videos are so popular. But if you make animations or music or blogposts, YT is much worse at promoting these so they never get popular.But yeah if they're doing the video essay thing with a good thumbnail, they'll get big eventually
>>44199226You know as much as people are shitting on the format, once you find a few people who do OC or at least original research you've got the kind of documentary content I would've dreamed about as a kid.Though more than anything they actually got me back into reading - since again, those who take it seriously do original reading and list their citations....and then you have lazy LLM-generated or manually generated linguistic vomit around a topic with little care given to presentation beyond a template. I just ignore them, but I imagine it's pretty easy to get pulled into those by accident and feel basically scammed out of your time.
>>44199758Yeah I can't complain because what we're getting now on youtube is just straight up better than TV was for the vast majority of its history.
>>44188459They've quarantined all their adult boards under another domain. I think you need a Japanese IP to read and post.http://bbspink.com/
>>44202789Neat
>>44166564Is there any place we can talk to the devs to ask them to fix this?
>>44175176I've been moderating and tard wrangling in big communities in the past, can confirm. Nothing beats a tightly neat community that's focused on one task. If there's nothing to do and no goals to achieve, it starts degrading real fast.
>>44208573>Nothing beats a tightly neat community that's focused on one task.I concur. This is key.
>>44208591wish more forums on the net existed like this instead of lame reddit
>>44202789why do boards like that have such a lame way to show photos? it feels like work even trying to read a single thread
>>44213328The terrible state of their web site led to the creation of a lot of reader apps over the years, and my guess is that most of the hard core users interact with the site through those instead.
>>44218593I wish this were the case on iphone, I can't seem to find any that work well for viewing, seeing pics, and posting
>>44208356they would ignore I'm sure
any non-english non-japanese language imageboards that are super active you might recommend? I'm interested in getting exposure to some other cultures that are maybe not so politically correct and crazy as the western ones
>>44228296Is Finnish OK? Their imageboard software is nice.https://ylilauta.org/
Does 5ch have anything like /biz/?
>>44231177Most of those guys are on kenmo I believehttps://ikioi.jp/board/poverty
This thread came in very handy to me while 4chan was down, thanks for posting good info
why do I keep getting errors when I try to load dvach with kuroba... "if a browser check gets stuck..." I can't read the rest of the message of what to do
>>44229559Awesome
>>44237332is it impossible to use dvach with a vpn on mobile?
>>44245343I'm using mullvad on my phone
>>44229559>Their imageboard software is nice.>basically requires an account to post due to cookie fuckery>unironic gold accounts>literal reddit badges
>>44247962They didn't use to have any of that.In my defense, I hadn't visited that place in over a year.It changed a lot.
>>43996006He came up under Barry Soetoro so I never trusted him.ar4xpd
>>44020260I found another board where non-Japanese are allowed to post.https://agree.5ch.net/img8/
>>44247962Don't forget upvotes. Then again, I forget whether Futaba or Ylilauta came up with them first.
>>44250579upvoting and downvoting isn’t good for mental health
>>44250571are the boards on 5ch that are Japanese only good to go with vpn?
>>44255071On bbspink.com where they have all their adult content, I was able to read and post with a VPN.However, they employ VPN detection on most of their other boards, so you may be able to read, but you will not be allowed to post.
bump to survive the spammer
>>44256240and again
