Share progress/1ccs/charts, ask for advice, vent your frustrations, the usual.
>>40152288I am in UFO, anyone kno what to do? I want to unlock Nue
>>40152376if you're playing above Normal mode I can't really help you but try to collect as many red UFOs as possible
>>40152376The game is hard, so you'll have to suffer a bit no matter what. SanaeB is the easiest 1cc due to having a good spread, good bomb and good damage too if you just want to rush something for the extra. You'll have to get used to the UFO gimmick, and be able to calculate whether going for ufos when you're under fire is worth the risk or not. Deaths are very punishing, so try to prioritize survival, even if that means taking green UFOs over red ones for the extra bombs.
>>40152661>>40152683Ok, too much thanks!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iP2ywlW2u4UZUN aces Mystic Square's extra stage playing as Mima.
>>40152288There are so many good TH fan games that I've had far more fun with them than a lot of the actual games.
>>40153629You liked playing as her?
>>40153731I can't remember if I actually beat MS on hard. Maybe.
>>40153731Mention one, in thinking in it
fuck soew extra
>>40153751Servants of Harvest Wish (It's freaking FREE)Blue Devil in the BelvedereBarrage Musical (not Touhou, but it is)Touhou FantasiaElegant Impermanence of SakuraFantastic Danmaku Festival (I and II)Impossible Spell CardSpecial mention toExceed 2nd: Vampire Rex and Exceed 3rd: Jade Penetrate Black Package
>>40153751Not that anon, but I played Sapphire Panlogism recently and it's pretty solid on all fronts. Never seen the playable characters being depicted as so bloodthirsty but I like it.
>>40153874She's always bloodthirsty, even in the written works she "doesn't mind needless killing".
i swear when i play as reimu b in pcb i do more damage tapping focus for half a second repeatedly than i do doing unfocused or fully focused shotsis this real or just some autism
>just die, no seriouslyeven the game tells me to kill myself...
>>40179037Just keep at it, anon. No other way to go but up.
after over almost 3 straight months of daily attempts I finally beat Alice with Reimu in Mystic Square. Now gonna go for the rest of the characters. I'm working on Marisa now and damn she's so much faster. Currently trying to figure out how to deal with Alice's second phase more efficiently because with reimu I'd just slide all the way left and right between the waves and let the homing shots do the work but with Marisa that takes way too long.
>>40179037Are you using anex86?If so you can add a font file to make the text not look so crusty.I use this, just add it under the font tab of the settings window https://files.catbox.moe/q7kmrm.bmp
>>40183370no, I was using the latest version of dosbox x
I would like some advice on how to beat UM with Sakuya. What is generally the best approach? What cards should I start with and what cards should I pick up?
>>40186287Pick up any cards that will give you more shots or extra damage, and her concentrated shot will become a death laser that melts bosses. For stages, you can get away with mostly keeping it fanned out, except for parts where you know there will be troublesome big fairies, and then you can concentrate and angle it to take care of them. Basically, she's the best shot in the game, as long as you don't get flustered by the controls and can adjust on the fly.
>>40187158Which cards do you recommend starting with?
>>40187798Probably Saki, Alice, and Sanae (snake); I think that was the combo that won me the Extra with Sakuya.
>>40182119based. also soew extra b is easier than c since you can consistently farm full lives and bomb on the bats
>>40184492If you get the touhou98 pack from nyaa it comes with dosbox-x and the font file already set.
>>40152288Where can I buy the games legally?
>>40192968a decent amount are on Steam, but for the rest you're SOL buddy
>>40192968https://shop.akbh.jp/en/collections/teamshanghaialicehttps://shop.akbh.jp/en/collections/twilightfrontierhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Purchasing_Guide#Official_Games>>40193878>you're SOL buddyPhysical copies of the game are incredibly easy to come by. Tons of nerdshit stores carry them in Japan. You can snag cheap used copies off of Mandarake or whatever too.
>>40195505You can do it king, i believe in you fully
>>40195505I'm sure you'll get it next time, but watch out for dying during the slowdown as she's exploding, that's an even bigger kick in the dick.
i'm still choking on soew extra
>>40195505Make some room for me in the losers corner, bro.
I am trapped in the Extra of Legacy Of Lunatic Kingdom, anyone can help? What is the best character to play?
>>40201747Reisen if you just want to clear without much hassle, Sanae if you want someone with a good bomb and shot, the other two if you hate yourself.
How many tries did it take you guys to clear Kinkakuji in StB? As a Hard mode shitter I'm beginning to think it's a complete waste of time to even try at my current level.
>>40202707About a thousand shots taken, and I'm mostly a Normal player, so you definitely shouldn't give up.It is a very difficult and RNG-heavy scene, but I think level 10 has way worse, so I'm not sure why that one in particular gets hyped up so much.
>>40202707It requires a bit of luck, so keep at it.
>>40202767>>40202792I'm at around 1500. I can consistently get 5 pictures, but as soon as the third wave starts it all falls apart.
>>40202921Yeah, the last two shots are when it really starts.2-4 uses the same bullet types if you want to learn their hitboxes. You can get Aya's hitbox a little over halfway inside before it counts as a pichuun.
Is using the vpatch cheating? I've heard the Japanese consider it cheating and I didn't hear about this until recently. I've uploaded a bunch of MoF replays to lunarcast and I never specified that I was using vpatch because I didn't think it mattered. I use the vpatch because MoF and other early windows games tend to have frame rate issues if I'm not using vpatch. As for input lag, I don't notice a difference on MoF. The game seems just fine without vpatch, only the framerate gives me problems. Input lag is only a problem for PCB and IN. EoSD won't run at all on my machine unless I run it through thcrap. I don't use vpatch for StB and any game after MoF
>>40204322samefag here, do people care what the settings for input latency are for post early windows games? I just checked and it was set to "Automatic" for all of them
>>40204322Japanese players only have a thing against vpatch due to a moral policy against modifying the original software, and they'll only care if you're submitting WR-tier scores. And even then all they'll do is disallow that particular run from being on Japanese scoreboards like pnd, so you wouldn't be banned or anything and could submit another run without vpatch.The western community fully embraces vpatch.
>>40204396Oh, and no, not really.
>>40202707380 and I play normal. Like others said, it takes a bit of luck.
>>40202707Wish I had some advice to give you, but it really is one of those cards where you just have to git gud and/or lucky. What I do for the very last photo is stay just high enough up on the screen so that I can finish it off with a long-range cheap shot.
I'm not the only one who hates Reimu's focused shot in UM am I?
>>40202707That fucking spellThat fucking son of a bitch spell. I hate that spell so god damn much.I lost days of my life on that cock sucker.
>>402066416 x 4 + extra 1ups he got along the way
>>40202707Up to 1800 shots. Recently I started playing in full screen instead and I feel like playing a lot better since. I say so because just got it right away once I did active it for StB after a lot of tries in window mode.
Here's patches for a few bugs in the pc98 games https://rec98.nmlgc.net/blog/static/2022-05-31-community-choice-fixes.zipsimply replace the corresponding files in your .hdi disk images with the ones in the zip using the "disk explorer" utility.Note that the divide error fixes could technically change the bullet pattern of Kurumi/Marisa boss by replacing a game breaking crash with a danmaku pattern. If you're autistic enough for something like this to annoy you, you can still fix the th04 stage 5 Yuuka dialogue crash without fixing the Kurumi/Marisa ones by downloading and using this file instead https://rec98.nmlgc.net/blog/static/2021-11-29-Memory-limit-fixes.zipNone of these work on the english patches yet unfortunately.
I did it /jp/. I got my very first Hard mode challenge run: HSiFS No Focushttps://files.catbox.moe/8xraf6.rpyWasn't expecting to get it in one try. I guess that's because HFiFS gives you lots of leeway with Lives and Releases
>>40213700The patches are already included in the japanese game disks that come with the touhou98 experience pack, by the way, in case someone wants to have them without fiddling with the disk editor.
https://files.catbox.moe/751umc.rpyPlease critique my Imperishable Night gameplay. I feel like I'm doing something wrong.
I HATE THIS STUPID FUCKING GAMEI HATE SAKUYA I HATE STAGE 5 I HATE SAKUYAI HATE THIS STUPID FUCKING GAMEPCB IS LIKE 10 MILLION TIMES HARDER AND THEN I TRY TO PLAY THIS AND IT'S FUN BUT I CAN'T GET 1CC ON NORMAL TO UNLOCK FLANDREI HATE THIS STUPID FUCKING GAME I HATE THIS STUPID FUCKING GAME
>>40216812You don't mean that.
>>40216653It seems we are at a similar level, and I was playing a lot of IN Hard only a few months ago, so with that in mind, here's what I tried to pay attention to in my runs and that stood out to me in your replay:- Don't bomb in stages 1 and 2, period.- When you do bomb, and it's not a deathbomb, always unfocus before bombing because Yukari's bomb is bad.- In general I prefer to always stay focused for those enemies that have a lot of familiars, it's really up to preference and it doesn't seem like they're giving you much trouble in general but there are places where you could have saved resources if you had killed them faster, like in Stage 4 post-midboss.- For Keine nonspells, dodge horizontally while bottomhugging and holding down for slow unfocused movement.- Always bomb Asteroid Belt, period. You did, but as I said, you didn't use Reimu's bomb - you probably wouldn't have died there if you had released shift. As for timing, I bomb after dodging the horizontal stars for a little bit, and that tends to end the spell.- For Marisa's second nonspell, you should be moving around more and looking for larger gaps in the stars.- For Event Horizon, stay lower in the screen and position yourself directly above a gap, it's really easy to capture if you do it that way.- For Starlight Typhoon, don't go outside the "circle".- For Double Spark, stay focused the whole time, and make sure you're near either corner when she's about to fire the fuckhuge laser.- For Shoot the Moon, stream horizontally while watching the lasers' positions.- For Mind Blowing, use the smaller gap near the center.- For Invisible Full Moon, you are going too far up the screen.General advice: I would say you're wasting way too many resources on Reisen, her fight should be mostly trivial if you understand the gimmicks behind her spell cards. Also, get more practice on Marisa's fight, because for me that was what made the difference between running out of resources on stage 6 and getting a 1cc. Other than Asteroid Belt, her spell cards aren't that hard once you figure out a good strategy for them. And again, don't use Yukari's bomb. Good luck.
>>40216653the fact that you have to spend that many resources against Reisen is a big red flag that your routing is seriously lacking. Hard is very similar to Normal in that there are very few things that don't get vastly trivialized by good routing and somewhat optimal strats. there aren't as many actual coinflip moments as in Lunatic so you should take advantage of that. your reactive dodging seems good enough for Hard too, it's just that in same sections (mainly during stages 4/5, someone else already pointed them out more precisely) it almost feels like you are approaching the game blindly.
>>40216440It only includes the th04 patches, touhou98 experience pack doesn't include the th01 crash fixes or the th03 patch. I checked since that's where I got my disk images.
>>40216979i doi fucking hate sakuyaI FUCKING HATE EMBODIMENT OF SCARLET DEVILI FUCKING HATE TOUHOULJIKDJKFJNKFGZJKHRDEFIUJKHZ ERJUIOHZ REIUORJHZ IUHJE HIUMONJLEI,HMJKL NREUI.,M ONJKLHRTGIUMJK FCRTGDHBUJKIM ONHFDBUIHONJFB IUHDF NBJUH NBJKFICRTGVČHUFI ONJMZHU ONFI9FDRTGHUIČJDF HUJI ONFHBCRTG UJIHBHF DJHUICRTGBHF UJIHNHBFCRTG UJIHHFRTGB UIJHBRTGFUJIHFRTG IJUHRTGZF JUIHRTFB HJUFI9ORTGJUGHFIOJHOUTGFI
>>40217436nice job revealing your native language. i know now that you're Czech/Ex-Yugoslav
>>40216983>>40217109Thanks for the advice. I got to Eirin this time.
>>40216812pick MarisaB and press x anon, you don't need to fight Sakuya. you get like 30 bombs, you can spend a bunch of them on Sakuya, it's fine
>>40217970Good job. Is this your first attempt at a Hard clear?
>>40217470true, you got medoesn't make sakuya any less hard
>>40218692Nope. I cleared PCB with both the Sakuya shot types.
>>40218006i can't, marisa b is too hardmaster spark is virtually useless because up to the point i get to sakuya, i can't hit anything since i have to be directly below it to hit anything because marisa has 0 rangei hate myselfi wish i was never born
>>40218763yea, if you're using reimu i'm really not surprised you are struggling, she kinda just sucks compared to marisa in EoSD. the range thing just doesnt matter. it only has an effect on perfect freeze (which you can just bomb), patchouli's spells (which you should absolutely bomb), sakuya (who you can't beat anyway, so you're bombing her) and remillia's final spell. if you actually want your 1cc, get over the range thing and pick the easy character
y'all need thprac
Please tell me I'm not the only person who finds Remilia's first non-spell incredibly hard.
>>40218946I refuse to but I dont see myself beating Flandre or any other of the beginner friendly Extra bosses that dont have spell practice without it. Heck I need practice for the stages even. Maybe I should try for HSiFS extra, the stage is easiest for me
>>40219176What do you find hard about it? Hitboxes?
>>40219176It's pretty intimidating at first, but once you realize the big bubbles have really small hitboxes you learn to mostly ignore them and focus on dodging the smaller bullets.
what's the best shot in LLS? I get the furthest with reimu's homing shot but it seems so weak compared to marisa.also marisa's stage 1 is a harder layout than reimu's.
>>40220103Marisa A has really good damage output.
>>40216812i like the game but i don't like Flandre. That fucking demon kicks my ass.i also don't mind getting killed by Sakuya
>>40218946That's gay and you know it
>>40219176on hard? yes
>>40217332I didn't know about these new th01 fixes, I'll include them in the next version, thanks.The th03 fix isn't needed because the emulators are already configured to run the GDC at 2.5MHz when th03 is chosen.
>>40220103Marisa A for sure.
Wait, there are players who actually don't use practice tools? No wonder you guys are stuck on getting basic 1ccs
>>40222178Using something like that would make me feel dirty.
>>40222178Practice tools are mega gay. Full runs for everything.
>>40218937i still hate myself and can't do iti hate this fucking gamei want to break something
>>40222178like >>40222385 said.Full runs or gay
>>40222178People got all sorts of clears and challenge runs for years without practice tools, and most still do.
>>40222178The stage practice that the games provide is already more than enough for almost every use case. Certain inter-stage state-dependent games like PCB and UFO benefit from more advanced tools, but most people can't even 1cc anything beyond Normal, much less push for WRs with tight resource restrictions.
>>40222178relying on practice tools to git good will handicap your performance on the games that don't have them.full runs or bust
>>40222178using stage practice already provided by the game? finemodifying the game to get practice tools that weren't there in the first place? not fine
>>40222178I'd only consider thprac valid for challenge/score runs, since the way I see it those are usually things people do to test their own abilities rather than what Zun explicitly intended for players to do with his games. At least when it comes to games before 17 when there weren't achievements for challenge runs.
literally every actually good player out there uses thprac and recommends everyone else to do so. being against it is peak crabs in a bucket mentality. if you want to stay bad then good for you, the rest of people can and will continue practicing and improvingin no other game or discipline is it even an argument whether people should use the best practice tools out there, as long as they go back to the standard ruleset once an actual run/match starts
>>40222958what is your opinion on save states "for practice"?
>>40222958People are naturally going to challenge the assertion is that not using external practice tools is the reason their skill is stagnant, because it's simply false.>literally every actually good player out there uses thpracThis is similarly false.You can make the argument that the tools are extremely useful without being retarded about it. If you actually wanted to help people, you'd be linking resources and instructions for getting such tools set up, for those whoa re interested in them.
Safe spots are cheating.EoSD hitbox patch is cheating.Malice cannon is cheating.MoF MarisaB is cheating.vpatch is cheating.thprac is cheating.
>>40223304>the assertion is that not using external practice tools is the reason their skill is stagnantgood thing i didn't say that then. if it were THE reason their skill is stagnant then good players wouldn't have existed prior to the release of thprac, or any other practice patch for that matter. the reason, most of the time at least, is people's unwillingness to do any real (and specially good) practice. whining over thprac is just a strong symptom of it>This is similarly false.alright, let's do 99% of players then, happy now? if you are just gonna post to argue "ACTUALLY it is not EXACTLY 100% of good players" and complain over technicalities then i do not care to read more about it. i (and most other people who have watched high level players practicing within the last couple years) have seen enough to know about how overwhelming thprac usage has become among good players. and this isn't even necessarily about thprac anymore. even when practice patches like that of SA or LoLK were more obscure and harder to set up, tons of good players were still going out of their way to get them and keep optimizing their practice time>If you actually wanted to help peopleyou speak as if it was my responsibility to help people get good. i am only here to point out how retarded the argument is. it is not my job to make people improve at the game. i do not mind helping people if they explicitly request advice or help but other than that i am not randomly gonna compile and drop a list of resources and instructions and then beg people to practice and get better. they can do some work themselves, and if they really can't but genuinely want to do it then they can ask for advice too
>>40223525>good thing i didn't say that thenMaybe (You) didn't. But >>40222178 did. Even if it's just easy bait.>alright, let's do 99% of players then, happy now? if you are just gonna post to argue "ACTUALLY it is not EXACTLY 100% of good players" and complain over technicalities then i do not care to read more about it.That's fine, since we're probably in agreement on everything else. I welcome you to call out babies for not wanting to practice well for the same reason I'm free to call out statements like>players who don't use practice tools are stuck on getting basic 1ccs>literally every actually good player out there uses thpracfor being both wrong and unhelpful.>you speak as if it was my responsibility to help people get good.>>IfForgive my assumption, but I thought your intent was to help others improve, whether it be by sharing the benefits of external practice tools or convincing them to have a more productive mindset around practice.
Someone give me advice for the stage section in UFO Extra. Any advice will do.
>>40223887After Kogasa, a new large fairy will spawn every time you destroy one for a set period of time. Eventually, they start dropping rainbow UFO tokens as well. By abusing bombs to speed kill them, you can summon multiple blue UFOs to and tons of spare tokens to collect for increased point item value.
>>40223931I meant advice for survival play. But I assume I can do the same thing to summon red UFOs, then.
>>40223887hold shift for focused movement
There is literally no reason why all games shouldn't have spell practice besides ZUN's laziness.
Playing the game is cheating.
>>40222958your whole argument is based upon a false premise of linear growth. you're acting as if Billy's first Normal clear and a LoLK LNB are comparable problems with comparable solutions, and that's just silly. every stage of a shmup player's growth poses different challenges that should be faced in appropriate ways. if thprac works for you, that's great. if it doesn't, that's fine too. prescribing advanced practice tools as a universal solution is just as retarded as dogmatically refusing to use them. the whole argument, in fact, is retarded.speaking of retardation, the way you speak about "good players" reveals you as a clueless moron. even ignoring the issues of promoting one-size-fits-all solutions and of how silly an appeal to authority is on the subject of personal growth, pretending that a superplayer's advice can be of much value to non-superplayers is dumb for the reason stated above. they're not playing the same game. a famous example of this is the claim that Apollo 13 is a free spell or that SA Extra is the easiest because they're static. that's not how a beginner or even an intermediate player is going to view it. failing to account for that is what makes you a moron whose opinion shouldn't be considered, let alone taken seriously >>40223525I wasn't going to address any part of this long-winded non-argument, but>i (and most other people who have watched high level players practicing within the last couple years)made me lol. you're not even claiming to be good at the game, you're claiming to *have watched* someone who is and trying to speak from a position of authority because of that. this is the proverbial cherry on the cake of retardation
>>40224329ZUN has explained why they don't have it.
Gomen ne minna, I was supposed to put spell practice in every game but I got lazy and forgot, tehepero. Feel free to use thprac, I don't mind.
So far I managed to reached Orin without continues with Marisa/Alice and Reimu/Yukari, so I guess I use one of those two to 1CC this game, which one of them you guys recommend? Or are there better shot types to use?
>>40228555Reimu/Yukari is by far the best shot type for survival.
>>40228555Reimu/Aya if you like bomb spamming
>>40228555Reimu/Aya is the only good shot type
>>40228555Yukari and Patche are probably the most straightforward.
>>40225153>prescribing advanced practice tools as a universal solution>advanced practice toolsit is literally just playing the game, but skipping sections you don't care about. there is nothing "advanced" about the concept. nothing lower level players can't learn from. because even if you are a beginner who is struggling to beat stage 2 consistently, there are always gonna be sections you are more consistent at that you don't need to replay a million times, while others would benefit from more focused practice. and while it has some additional options you can use, no one really needs them for practice purposes. if you think playing the game is good for your improvement (and i hope you can see that much) then this is no different. just objectively more optimized>they're not playing the same gameanon i could not give less of a shit about what you or any of them think about sections like Apollo 13 or SA ExNN, because the skill level has nothing to do with the point. once again, regardless of whether you are a LNN god or a someone who is still trying to get their first 1cc, the one thing they all have in common is that they have to play more to get better at the game. someone who struggles against a Normal stage 5 boss will benefit as much, if not even more, from replaying the section they keep dying to. you talk about this as if it could only ever be used to practice the hardest scoring tricks in these games. everyone can get better by replaying things they find hard, regardless of what "hard" means for them. there is no circumstance in which playing a section you are not good at doesn't help you get better at it. especially more so when you are newer to it and still have a ton of things to learn. the only way you don't see how this works across all levels is if you unironically believe only superplayers can benefit from playing the games several times>you're not even claiming to be good at the gamewould you believe if random anonymous #5103184 from /jp/ claimed to be good at the game? would it even hold any meaning when the definition of good will drastically vary for people of different skill levels? of course not, that's beyond retarded. i don't care to talk about myself, because that provides zero information to anyone. the difference is that, while we can argue for the rest of eternity whether someone here is actually good or not, it should be more of an objective metric to say that a player that's already more famous for having actual top tier achievements (LNNs, high scoring, etc) is good, regardless of how "good" the people discussing about it are. and a vast majority of them have had to go through the same things as any of us. no one is born with 10 LNNs and 5 world records across several games, we all have to learn how to clear the game at first. and they are not telling you how to capture lunatic PDH, they are just saying "play more, make better use of your time"
i see a lot of rambling about thprac, only reasons i see to not use it are ocd and idiocy
>>40222523kek ok newfag whatever you say
>>40222958>>40231615>normies trying to argue with schizos>mfw
>>40222722>on the games that don't have them.which are... oh, none of them.
>>40231754two of the best ones don't, LLS and MS.
>>40231776use savestates dumbass
>>40231830it's not cheating if you only use them to practice lol
>not using savestates to practicepretty fucking gay
>practice tools badok retards>>40223887don't get greedy with tokens and focus on dodging stage hazards before summoning anything
>>40231860it's fucking cheating
>>40231963then don't use them for full runs idiotever heard of segmented runs? they gauge potential and see how high a score can go, there is literally nothing wrong with thatyou're just a fucking retard
>>40231776>can't practice PC-98And nothing of value was lost.
>>40231892>1.4bTry going for at least 3.5 before posting here
>schizo sub-normal-1cc level players think prac tools are cheating>normie lunatic high-score players think they are legit>normie lunatic high-score players trying to argue the legitimacy of prac tools with schizo sub-normal-1cc level players>normies arguing with schizos>everyone is retarded here>mfw
>>40231963you're fucking retarded
>>40231962don't want to get involved in the cheating method discussion, just wanna say check out this game, it's interesting https://www.bulletforge.org/u/fluffy8x/p/nightmare-of-torrential-precipitation
>>40232073arguing with schizos is fun, like half the reason i post on r9k
>>40232073The irony of normie lunatic high-score players thinking they're superior to schizo normal-1cc level players while being toxic and making fun of lower difficulties in the same breath, something the schizo normie-1cc players don't do. Hmm.The irony of normie lunatic high-score players not understanding how this website even works and taking the bait.
>>40232073>normieIt's normalfaggot, lurk moar.
remember guys, practicing and learning are cheating
>>40232200Yes. If you don't play blind your 1ccs are 1cheatcheats
>>40232200Also, talking about the games or watching someone's else replay is also cheating. If you can't blind 1CC UFO on Lunatic, you shouldn't be posting on /jp/
As the oldest scrub in Touhou, I can say with certainty that using practice tools is cheating. You are not allowed to have better playing conditions than I did when I started when you lot were in grade school
Please don't consider "ZUN's intentions" when the games are a result of his limitations as a creator.
using thcrap at all? commit suicide
playing touhou at all? just die, no seriously
Who invited /v/?
>>40232688your lack of showering
why aren't (You) on touhou world cup, /jp/?
>>40232811I'm not talented.
I unironically believe that you should not consult other people's replays before at the minimum 1CCing. Not because it's cheating, but because it robs you of the experience of discovering your own solutions to things.
>>40233118I agree with this on a personal level, but some people don't care about figuring things out on their own and just want to get good fast. Just a different playstyle, gotta respect it.
>>40233118What's the point of discovering your own solutions when high level play is just studying each others replays?Seems arbitrary.
>>40233315If you're new enough to a game to not know the solutions, should you really be caring about high-level play? Do people really pick up random games with the intent of getting world records without even knowing if they like the game?
>>40233448>>40233448The strategy for Touhou games is studying and memorization.The same strategies apply: you copy for a normal+ 1cc, and you copy for lunatic score runs.So there's no reason to play differently unless you have some sort of self imposed autism.Feel free to play without any reference, but it's not going to help you in the long run.Remember this board is full of easy-hard clear players, who can't seem to improve for some strange reason..
>>40233448>Do people really pick up random games with the intent of getting world records without even knowing if they like the game?Excellent strawman anonThere are some people that want help and others that don’t. It’s not a hard concept to grasp. If the game was a puzzle game with a single solution, looking up the solution is cheating. Touhou is not a puzzle game no matter how hard you normalshitters want to push that agenda
>>40152288i thought you guys were hardcore
>>40233539>>40233552>reee only my way of playing is validkill yourself onegai
>>40233552>Touhou is not a puzzle gameA lot of it might as well be. The photo games certainly are.
Oldfag here I haven't played the games or been active in the community in like 8 years. Has the music in the newer games improved? They were objectively bad compared to 6, 7, etc... the last time I checked. How's the music for the most recent game?
>>40233828ZUN will never be as good as he was in his prime, and I think everyone has already accepted that. UFO was 13 years ago, and EoSD is turning 20. It is what it is.
>>40233842UFO was the last game I played so I guess I've been out of this community for a long time. If I recall correctly the music is a very critical part of the Touhou economy. The secondary fans fall in love with the characters from their theme songs and designs. People aren't going to make remix or do fan arts of characters with shitty music. ZUN should retire or acknowledge he's washed in the music department and higher a guy to compose for him. His art is objectively better in my opinion.
>>40233315>What's the point of discovering your own solutionsIt's fun. It's engaging. It's rewarding. 1CCs are so easy that you absolutely do not need to research other replays. I highly encourage people to study their own replays, though, both to understand what they did wrong and to give them the opportunity to step back and deconstruct problematic sections more easily.If you think high level scoring play is just copying other superplayers, you're mistaken. Experimenting and finding new tricks and contributing novel ideas to the overall pool of knowledge is the core of games like STGs. I understand only a very small fraction of players will ever really participate in that way, but anyone can still get a taste of it by creating their own solutions and techniques for problems they encounter, regardless of skill level. I think that creative process is worth something.
>>40233828The OSTs peaked with 12 for me, with maybe 15 coming somewhat close, but the later entries still have a selection of good to great tracks I like to revisit. I liked the themes he made in the past and I like the ones he makes today. The music still fits thematically and is pleasant to listen to so I won't complain about Zun losing his touch.>How's the music for the most recent game?It's good enough, I'd say it has more memorable than forgettable tracks.
>>40233807Not really. If you need to use your brain to compensate for your lack of skill then touhou might now be for you
>>40232688Take a bath immediately.
>>40234015Again, I cordially invite you to kill yourself.
>>40233842>his primeWhat was his prime of music, Lotus land?
>>40234466EoSD to UFO.
>>40234466HRtP to MS.
>>40234466WBaWC to UM
>>40234510TD to DDC
>>40234466LoLK to HSiFS
what the fuck why did this get get 60 new replies in just 6 hours? these threads are never this fast
>>40234466PoDD to MS
>>40234466PCB to UFO
I want off this ride.
I want Aya to ride me
I want to off Aya
I want Aya's untouched collection on CD
>>40235302akyu's untouched score?
>>40235440shit, I'm STUPID
>>40234015Post one of your replays.
Seriously, which single Touhou game contains the best music?
>>40234466Everything from 1998-2002, with DiPP as the peakPCB still had a bit of the old style (both extra themes) but it started to die out
>>40236547Are you including Seihou in this then?
I'm playing PoFV for the first time, I wonder if pressing Shift does more than just slowing down your movement
>>40233807Ironically I found the photo games much easier to route for this reason, since there’s generally a “right” way to do things that presents itself after enough trial and error. I never had to look anything up for an all clear of StB and a hatate clear of DSMeanwhile a lot of the finer points of high level survival and especially scoring are not quite as obvious, and small optimizations start to add up much more substantially, which you will inevitably be missing out on if you refuse to learn.
>>40236605you can capture spirits with it. You will notice that each character has some sort of weird shape around them when you press shift, if spirits get caught inside that they will stop and you can kill them if you don't they will blow up and harm you
>>40236547holy mother of shit taste
>>40236593Definitely. Stuff like erich’s theme and reimu’s theme there hit that magical, nostalgic, heart racing and slightly darker vibe so well
>>40236641Not really an argument but ok
>>40236641the only reasonable complaint about his taste is the exclusion of PoDD.
>>40236605Pretty sure holding shift will reduce the speed/rate fairies and spirits spawn
>>40238240Close, it's that no more than one line of fairies at a time will spawn on your field while you're focused. This makes constantly holding focus really bad for trying to survive an intense barrage, because there will be fewer fairies on screen, and so you'll cancel fewer small white bullets by shooting them down. You can work around this by regularly unfocusing for a moment to let more spawn.
>>40234510basedalso fuck soew extra
YEAH! After about 4 months, I finally got a C2 Lunatic clear in GFW. I'm so happy!
>>40234777I'd also love to know, it looks like it went to shit in the span of two days.
>>40242579For some reason, crossies flocked in.
>>40242640Worst than crossies - they're newfags from "elsewhere"
>>40242579>>40242640>>40242836A raid is a raid, I don't care to know the specifics.
>>40238240>>40241186>>40236636Thanks, will keep that in mind
>>40238240>>40241186Wait so the game actually punishes you for focusing? What's even the point of using the auto-fire control scheme?
>>40245577>Wait so the game actually punishes you for focusing?Not exactly; it punishes you for never unfocusing, but using focus to activate spirits is still important. How much you should focus depends on the situation and what character you're playing.>What's even the point of using the auto-fire control scheme?That, I don't know. It seems terrible and I've never seriously used it.
oh, whatever, i might as well own it at this pointat least i'm not an easy mode shitter, lmao
>>40245737how did you 1cc hrtp and soew but haven't done anything in lls, the easiest of them?
>>40245763i've played through all of them with quicksaves, and after finishing 1-5 i've decided to get legit 1cc before going into the windows erai know lls is easy, i simply haven't attempted it yet. gotta tryhard the soew extra one last time before i forget it
lmao, i'm on a rollmight as well 1cc lls first try
>>40245737>>40245680>unironically played soewWhy?
>>40245927because it filters 99% of touhou posers
>>40245931suffering through the worst game after VD mechanics and pattern-wise just because you think it makes you a "real touhou fan" or to fill in some colored squares is peak /jp/
>>40245982You're right. A real touhou fan actually enjoys playing it.
>>40245931oh, and i forgot to point out the irony of saying this while NOT ONLY being a normal-only player, but being so insecure about their skill level that you'd remove the hard-luna boxes from your chart. and to complete the set, bashing on easy mode players as though you're any better than them. this almost reads like satire, it's perfect.
>>40246018a real fan would understand that there's a learning curve to making actually decent video games and forgive ZUN for it, then play the actually fun later entries. it's braindead to accept anything and everything just because it's from a series you love.
>>40245982it's definitely the worst of the pc98 games, but besides the extra it's not that hard. >only 5 stages>tons of bombs>bosses take bomb damagealso you can spam fire button to deal like 3-4x damage (and apparently this isn't a bug but a feature)>b-b-but muh focus!it's a meme, you literally don't need it because there are no dense patternsthat said, fuck the evil eye sigma, i so glad i won't have to deal with that bullshit ever again>>40246042i could beat any hard and lunatic level with enough practice, but the time investment isn't worth it for me. i unironically "play touhou for the story", and since there are no dialogues changes based on the difficulty (at least in pc-98 games) i don't see why i should bother with them. also because i'm not that insecure about my skill level that i have to beat hard and lunatic to prove something to autists on /jp/
>>40246073>i could beat any hard and lunatic level with enough practiceplay PoDD
What's so bad about SoEW?
>>40246067>it's braindead to accept anything and everything just because it's from a series you love.I love how hard it is for some people to imagine enjoying SoEW for what it is. The fact the other games are better doesn't make it a bad game.
>>40246073>i could beat any hard and lunatic level with enough practice, but the time investment isn't worth it for me. i unironically "play touhou for the story", and since there are no dialogues changes based on the difficulty (at least in pc-98 games) i don't see why i should bother with them.>also because i'm not that insecure about my skill level that i have to beat hard and lunatic to prove something to autists on /jp/>at least i'm not an easy mode shitter, lmao
>>40246073Nice job anon.
>>40246094i guess with enough tries you'll get lucky eventually and yumemi will choke earlier than usual. it's simply a matter of patience since the pattern don't change with difficulty>>40246142thanks touhousister, wagmi
>>40246170>i guess with enough tries you'll get lucky eventually and yumemi will choke earlier than usual.also to elaborate on this, it's 100% a fact and not an opinion. i've "beat" her with all characters with quicksaves, so given enough tries it's definitely possible to outchoke her
>>40246189>i've "beat" her with all characters with quicksaves,on lunatic*
>>40246141if you play easy mode you LITERALLY didn't beat the game since you get lock out of levels (and story)
>>40246211in two games, one of which is not even a game worth playing for story, and the other being THE "press x to win for free" game.
>>40246257>in two games, one of which is not even a game worth playing for storywhich one? out of the first 5 only the first one isn't worth playing for the story, and i don't think it has an easy mode, though i might be wrong.and usually not only you get locked out from the last boss, but you also can't unlock the extra (which has it's own story)>and the other being THE "press x to win for free" game.exactly, and easy shitters can't even beat that one, lmao
>>40246296don't call anyone shitters when you use save states to win.
>>40246296eosd. pc-98 as a whole is not worth playing for the story, that much should be obvious. and you still don't get the right to deride others for being at a lower skill than you, normalshitter.
>>40246331read my previous posts, dumb adhd zoomer >>40245783>>40246337>pc-98 as a whole is not worth playing for the story, that much should be obvious.that could be said about literally every other touhou games, and probably all videogames in general>>40246337>and you still don't get the right to deride others for being at a lower skill than you, normalshitter.i do. i'll gladly be a normalshitter and i'll gladly call others easyshitters. seethe and cope
>>40246360>that could be said about literally every other touhou games, and probably all videogames in generalbraindead take, especially so from someone who just admitted to playing the games for the story.>i do. i'll gladly be a normalshitter and i'll gladly call others easyshitters. seethe and copeand i'll gladly keep laughing at you for being a retarded hypocrite.
>>40246331>Implying save states is the same as thpracThprac is solely for the purpose of practice. You still must do the run entirely by yourself. You must be an idiot to not understand this. Practice how you want
>>40246401touhou 6 doing a soft-reset doesn't mean that pc98 game aren't worth playing, especially if you are a "touhou fan"also google what hypocrite means
>>40246481wbo are you quoting?anon literally thinks he beat the pc98 games on lunatic with his save states
>>40246516>anon literally thinks he beat the pc98 games on lunatic with his save stateswhere?
>>40246337PC98 has a fun story though.
>>40245982>>40246067nta but I would honestly rather play SoEW than half the main series (HRtP, Phantasmagorias, GFW, VD, fighting games, some of the newer mainline games like WBaWC and UM)
>>40247248okay I didn't mean to say main series since most of those are decimal games but still
>>40247248peak shit taste
>>40247248ironically, HRTp and PoDD are both way more fun than soew once you understand the mechanics. in term of gameplay soew is indeed the worst one
>>40250143I already wasted time doing Normal 1CCs and a Hard 1CC on PoFV and the game wasn't fun. PoDD is just the same shit but older
how do you know whether you used continues or no from the score card? also yeah, lls is piss easy, especially with marisa a>>40250257have you played PoDD? if you weren't having fun then 90% you missed some crucial game mechanics
>>40250458>have you played PoDD?yeah, I did. the game was easy for the first six or seven stages and then the game just said "fuck you" after a certain point. extremely inconsistent difficulty. fuck Phantasmagorias. RNG ridden cancer. even EoSD didn't have it that bad
>>40250581>then the game just said "fuck you" after a certain point. extremely inconsistent difficulty. fuck Phantasmagorias. RNG ridden cancer.that's not exactly true, at least on normal. the last 2 stages are very consistent, as in the ai will start chocking after one of the bottom counters reach 15 or something. in practice this means that you pretty much HAVE to die on yumemi ones in order to beat her. i did all the 9 normal 1cc in a couple of days so it's definitely very consistent. you just need to drag out the fight for as long as possible during the last 2 stages, all the others are unironically easy.i guess i might try lunatic just for shit and giggles
>>40250627>that's not exactly true, at least on normalI was playing on Hard
>>40250458>how do you know whether you used continues or no from the scorelast digit
>>40250627Lunatic is also easy.I don't get the people who don't understand it's meant to fuck you over unless you abuse the score mechanic.You will not beat this game unless you abuse the shit out of the bonus spells you can pop off for free, then let the bonus reset.
>>40256156>last digit?i think that games completition can be 100% only if you haven't used continues, since otherwise you get locked out of the last boss fight
>>40256283In the Windows games at least, the last digit of your score is equal to the number of continues you've used. Don't know if that holds true for the PC-98 games, though.
>>40256283Something like this
Which lunatic 1CCs are the most free? I just got my first L1CC on IN with border team and three lives left and I don't feel satisfied at all.
>>40257747>>40257541oh, that's cool, i didn't know this. i think this is valid for all touhou games, since in my 1ccs of 1-3 all the scores end in 0
>>40152288How do I into dodging some of Youmu's spell cards on normal. It isn't that hard in general but a few trip me up and I need everything I've got for Yuyuko. All the slow down ones are really fucky to me.
>>40258730It's just a matter of practice. Either bomb them or practice them a few times on thprac until you manage to clear them at least 80% of the time or so.
>>40258730Stop staying at the bottom of the screen.
Any pacifist clears?
>>40152288Getting close to 1cc LoLK on hard. I've been consistenly reaching stage 6 with 2-3 lives for the past days, on one ocassion I even had 5 but I got so nervous I ended up choking. Can't get a 1cc without one of those. I'd get more runs going but I've optimized stage 1 so much by now that I just reset the moment I die to some dumb shit. I allow myself to lose 1 stock against the boss though, but 2 stocks means reset.Oh and I finally realized on Clownpiece's 1st and 2nd none, the lasers hitbox dissapear before the actual animation does so that gives me a so much needed extra window of frames where I can dodge upcoming stars. Love when I find little details on my own.
>>40258227PoFV Medicine for meIf you don't wanna count Phantasmagoria because it's too different, UM Sanae
>>40258227lolk legacy, pick reisen, press the x key a bunch, win
>>40263097I feel like Reimu would be easier than reisen. Reisen's bomb enlarges your hitbox too much and makes some spells impossible to dodge, and it also doesn't save you from lasers. Reimu on the other hand makes most stages trivial.
https://zps-stg.github.io/dcis this difficulty list accurate in your experience?
>>40265150according to this list, UM Sanae is my most impressive Lunatic 1CC and MoF is my least impressive Lunatic 1CC, which to me sounds like complete bullshit because MoF felt like the game I struggled with the most and UM felt like the one I struggled with the least
>>40250627>i guess i might try lunatic just for shit and gigglesi unironically did this, it's wasn't THAT bad
>>40265150SA is super overrated there, probably in large part due to the absolutely retarded recommendation of using ReimuA. DDC normal being the same difficulty as LoLK normal seems like a joke, and UM normal is also insanely high up for some reason. no idea on anything above that, but if normal rating is this wacked out the rest probably is too.
>>40266137>DDC normal being the same difficulty as LoLK normal seems like a joke>check notes>ReisenIf anything that's just being too generous to LoLK. That right there is easy modo-tier.
>>40265150I wouldn't put SoEW lunatic above SA lunatic, nor even close to UFO lunatic.
>>40263505reimu and marisa actually need to dodge in lolkmeanwhile sanae and reisen: https://youtu.be/OPx4o8tI8fM
Which spell cards and nonspells have swastikas in them? Only ones off the top of my head are PCB extra/phantasm and IN extra but surely there are more. Photo games count too.
>>40269445You could make a swastika out of 2-2 in Impossible Spell Card if you tried hard enough.
Are the green lasers in Gold Detector 100% static, aimed, or random? They seem static but I'm not sure
>>40273733all lasers in gold detector are static
>>40266137So what shot type is the easiest to clear SA with, then?
>>40265150No, the list is bullshitI'm not sure how accurate the numbers are on the shmup scale, but I'll assume it's within reason>17 for IN lunatic (border team), 24 for solosThe only one I can feasibly see being a 24 is solo Alice with her dogshit range, inability to hit familiars, and terrible bomb. Yuyuko and Yukari have really good range and can pump out damage. Marisa gets rid of a chip on her shoulder and gets better. Reimu still trivializes stages. This assessment is just lazy and wrong>21 for EoSD, SA, and DDC lunaticEoSD is one of the easier lunatics while DDC can be utterly ridiculous at times. SA is somewhere in between>LoLK lunatic with Marisa is 24, EoSD is 21No. Marisa is aids in that game even with the generous life system. This was much worse than solo Alice as well despite being a much better player at that point in time>HRtP lunatic is 18This is one of the most egregious errors on this list. Same tier as UFO hard apparently>IN LNB is 28It's easier than solo Alice (24) with the border team by a significant margin. Solo Alice gets so bad at certain points like timing out TWO (2) of Reimu's spells, mystia's second non, keine's first 4 boss attacks, etc. Fuck that character>SoEW lunatic is 21 and 17 with autofireThe only time autofire really makes a difference is on bosses when shotgunning with a bomb. Tapping at PoFV speed is more than enough on stages and bomb shotgunning bosses can be done by mashing with little difference in autofire. The game also isn't a 21. It's in MoF territory>PCB extra and phantasm at 8Despite both being straightforward, phantasm is still much more difficult. The stage has much less room for error. Yukari has harder spells overall and has an extra card which only ticks down while not invulnerableI understand that the creator has different strengths and experiences, but the ones highlighted are inexcusable in my eyes and lower the credibility of the list as a whole. I'd advise against taking any difficulty discussions to heart as it muddies the waters and really doesn't serve much of a purpose. Play the games and decide for yourself
>>40274344>This is one of the most egregious errors on this list. Same tier as UFO hard apparentlyso, is 18 too high or too low for hrtp?also, should we make a /thgg/-approved 1cc difficulty list? i have an idea in mind
>>40275038nta, that sounds like a really cool idea but I think we'd need at least several players with roughly 80% of the 1CC filled or at least majority of Lunatic 1CCs. I haven't seen superplayers like Yuyukofag and Kokorofag for quite some time. My chart is nearly good enough to rank all games
>>40275215>we'd need at least several players with roughly 80% of the 1CC filled or at least majority of Lunatic 1CCi know a good way of sorting the difficulties even with few players who did few 1cc. as long as there are a couple of people who have done most of the lunatic runs it should be ok, everything should be filled within a few months. also i would avoid including LNB and other tryhard runs to keep things simple
>>40275260>also i would avoid including LNB and other tryhard runs to keep things simplethat's a shame but understandableshould posting 1CC charts being a requirement for this too?
>>40275284i guess, though 1cc chart doesn't really mean anything. also since this general is very niche, i doubt we'll get more than 1k 1cc clear in total, so it should be easy to filter troll votes manuallyright now i'm looking if my idea is doable with google forms, because that would save a lot of time on coding. also that would prevent multiple entries by the same person
>>40275338but only doubt is how to handle different shot types. maybe rating the 1cc's difficulty based on the easiest character/shot type? or extimating an "average" between all the shot types? having a separate rating for each shot type would be way too messy
>>40275038>should we make a /thgg/-approved 1cc difficulty list?a much better use of time would be compiling a list of tips/replays for every game, stage, spell, etc. difficulty lists are vague and only ever lead to pointless bickering and ego-boosting
>>40275599>a list of tips/replays for every game, stage, spell, etc.isn't there already a website or 2 for that?
>>40275599Seconding this, sounds like an interesting idea and something that could actually be helpful to people. If anything I'm surprised there's not a more comprehensive guide to these games out there already, meanwhile the wiki only has few short and mostly vague guides for very few games, with tips as incredibly useful as "Can't be bothered to explain lol just watch this run bro". Also it's something anyone can make tangible contributions towards, as opposed to a poll with results most people will realistically ignore or dismiss after a short while.
>>40275599That idea sounds good but my problem with that is that anon said no tryhard runs which is bad for me because I feel like I'm not making proper use of my dodging skills unless I do No Bomb. I wouldn't want to show people of replay of me bomb spamming my way through half the game. I don't think people would learn from that
>>40274205ReimuC, obviously. here's a quick rundown of the main differences between the shot types:ReimuA:- has to fight Yuugi- has to fight Satori- has to fight Orin- has to fight UtsuhoReimuC:- doesn't
>>40275914so basically a touhou wiki but only for gameplay?
>>40276242Pretty much, yes. Unless someone can suggest a better way to compile all that information.
>>40276333so you think that, for example, the information available here https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Strategy isn't enough? how would you expand it? also why not expand the main wiki?
>>40276373No, it's not enough, considering it doesn't even account for different difficulties, presumably because it is mostly focused on scoring tips. And even then, a lot of information is missing, Stage 5 being the most blatant example.I imagine something like https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/User:Arknarok/Touhou_Strategy_Guide/TH06/Extra would be more useful. The problem is that guides like these are rare and are lost in random user pages so they are even harder to find regularly. And even that guide could use some improvements. Outside of the outdated routes, you could use screenshots or replays to make the information more digestible. Which will also make it easier to add new information without having to write huge walls of text like the one for Flan's survival.Just having all the information properly organized goes a long way, but there's still a ton of info that's simply missing. Especially so for the "newer" games.
I can't remember, does vpatch's vsync being set to 0 reduce or increase input lag?
>>40276060Even as a low level survival I've never thought ReimuC's bomb made up for the shitty shot, and ReimuA also has the teleport thing which is quite handy for the last two stages. But maybe I'm not bombspamming hard enough.
>>40276916No, I think you're underrating her shot. It's really not that bad.
>>40276916here's a quick replay i threw together to show the level of bomb spamming you can easily get away with: https://files.catbox.moe/7by77i.rpythe utsuho fight was beyond botched, but you get the point. i finished with a lot of lives left, so obviously you can bomb the stage sections much more than this if you want to.
>>40275260>tryhard runskek this thread
>>40275409>maybe rating the 1cc's difficulty based on the easiest character/shot type? can't wait to see lolk at the bottom of the list
>>4027503818 is much too high for HRtP considering you can bomb spam stages to build up lives for the boss. It’s not much harder than an extra stage imo
>>40278359what's the alternative tho? not enough people have beaten the games with all the shot types, so average isn't practical.
>>40278587the alternative is to simply not try to rally a community of scrubs to do anything that requires game knowledge.
>>40278467I can No Bomb some Extra stages but I can't even get past Mima and YuugenMagan without losing all my lives. Being limited to moving left and right to dodge and trying not to get hit by the Yin Yang orb at the same time is pretty difficult imo
>>40278753Your bombs do damage but only on your last life. If you did the stages well, then you won’t need to dodge at all
>>40277363I'm aware the damage output is not bad, but I'm biased because I can't stand that kind of shot.>>40277662Well, I'll admit I didn't know the bomb was that strong when you positioned yourself on top of the boss. Maybe I'll do a run like that just so the SA section of my chart doesn't look so empty.
>>40276600Vsync as a concept is something that increases input lag because it forces the GPU to wait until an entire frame has been drawn before pushing it to the monitor, in turn removing any possibility of tearing.Vsync = 0 on vpatch means vsync disabled, so it's the setting with the lower input lag.
>>40279889I remember reading the description of somebody's UFO Lunatic 1CC on youtube and they said>used vpatch with vysnc turned ONwhich I assume meant they were playing with reduced input lag. I guess they meant to say they had vsync turned off. I don't know why anybody would play with vpatch if they aren't using vsync
>>40280273There's no reason not to use vpatch, even if you want to play with vsync. It can fix some cases of unstable framerate, it lets you resize the window, it allows you to fast-forward replays in all games, and in some games it even lets you fix glitches too.
>>40262234Fucking finally, I knew I could get this soon. Didn't capture a single spell from Junko which is absolutely disgusting but still, glad I could pull it off.
>>40282971Impressive. Good job anon.
>>40283544It still took me several hours, and it's not like I didn't give spells a try and turn the run into a bomb fest. Still, all that time spent on her means I can now reach stage 4/5 with ease with both Reimu and Marisa.