>>39803424Who's this abomination?
>>39803424Please, don't post that... thing here.
>>39804180Oh she looked cuter in videos.
>>39803424WHY THE LONG FACE?
Y.Aoi would be ashamed of these early threads. Remember before you do something always ask yourself whether or not Aoi would approve.
>>39804200>calling Kaguya's VA a "thing"
>>39805041Be careful, she’s dangerous
Sora's smooth and sexy waki...
How do I get a Fairouz wife
>>39806066Convert to Islam, then ask her father if you can marry her.
>>39803424What's wrong with her arm?
>>39805080What's a Kaguya?
>>39807866Dream of mediocrity and irrelevance.
What is wrong with her actually?
>>39808979Photo fillers addiction.
>>39808979Craving Nakamura's cock.
>>39808507>irrelevancethis thread I swear
>>39809108Other than Sony exec cocksucker Tenchan, the rest are irelavant.
I love My wife Taneda.
>>39809463/seiyuu/ loves them
another yuri flop
>>39810097The problem with Yuri anime they only depend on BD sales to make money so even with 4k sales won't enough
>>39810097Do they also fuck in real life
>>39810599Yui is taking Yuma's cock.
>>39803424I really hope that she gets the professional help she badly needs
>>39810097>>39810648Which one's Yui Ogura and which one's Sumire Uesaka?
>>39811102Yellow = YuiRed = Sumipe
>>39810097can't help but think about chikuma and tone when I look at that uniform
>>39810648So Sumire will never get pregnant even in a yuri anime...
>>39811562Middle is a whore.Second from right is the best iRys.
>>39810012We miss her
>>39810097Virgin road is doing fine, also it won't get steamy until season 2 so let's hope it gets 2 cours
Why is this onee-san/baba/qt so underused?
>>39812995She's more of a dubshit seiyuu.
https://youtu.be/02ewmHMakK4I get why some people refuse to eat on camera.
>>39814129Cute dork on the right
>>39814129she's still got it
>>39814129Hikasa is supposed to be some sort of certified chef, isn't she?
>>39815412Certified "Natural Food Coordinator" and something something instructor.http://blog.livedoor.jp/hiyonikki/archives/2015-03-25.htmlhttp://blog.livedoor.jp/hiyonikki/archives/2090262.html
Would really like a good romcom with Hanae as the lead and Hayamin and Inorin as the main girls
>>39816102Romcom male leads are for rookies.
>>39816102Just vomited thanks
>>39816102Inorin as the loser.
>>39816117Not reallyAharen and Kubo have veterans as leads
>>39816192Don't forget Cuckoo
>>39816102What are some romcoms waiting for adaptations?Can only think of Blue Box
>>39816279Probably either Tying the Knot with an Amagami Sister or Goddess Cafe Terrace.
>>39816279Boy's AbyssIts practically a comedy at this point with how hard its being edgy
>>39816807if it has one, who should voice reiji?
>>39816945Anyone, I think if it got an anime people would just mainly be concered if Hikasa would reprise her role.
>>39816959yeah agreed he isn't even important at all, or maybe he's but I don't think he requires that much of distinctive voice, yuusuke kobayashi, ryota osaka, yuuma uchida or kaito ishikawa would od a great job overall. Nagi is the one that's important, at least at the beggining before sensei and mom take over, maybe risa taneda?
>>39817069Absolutely no way would Tanechan do the role
I feel like Nakahara would fit Reika
>>39817304As if that would get an anime lmaoI agree though
>>39817304Her with Kaji as the dog would've been good.Although I prefer Taketatsu as Reika, for the maximum meme potential.
>>39817304I feel it would get a live action drama instead
>>39816102>Hanae as the lead and Hayamin and Inorin as the main girlsthe fuck
>mfw got to hear Ayahi's singing in RPG Fudousan tooWhat a blessed season, to be able to hear it in two different shows.
>>39816102Hayamin won't do haremshit and school romance anymore
https://twitter.com/hayami_official/status/1525793826312376320Hiro Shimono and Rieri will be performing at Hayamin's birthday event
>>39820654Random guests. She should have invited Aoi like last year, at least then there would be a reason to watch it.
Delicious, finally, some good fucking VA performances in SxF
>>39820753If you’re talking about Emiryun she’s almost always good, not sure why she spends so much time playing twenty year old mmorpgs instead of focus on her career, which has slowed as she’s gotten older
>>39820810Fujiwara and Kaida were pretty good too
>>39820743>Random guestsNot really Shimono is her good senpai from same agency and the cast of Mahopuri still close and meet often, Horie will be too expensive so Rieri is right choice as she is good talker too, commercially both will help her birthday event ticket to sell better than previously
>>39820753Generic templete voice acting 101, only get stage because it is popular series like SxF
>>39821464Still mad are we that I didn't mention your goddess? She had one good line this episode, that's all.
>>39821464>>39821520You two spergs are insufferable
>>39821569Wait until July
>>39821520>Only watching clipsDo you know in youtube clips people post they skip a lot except you watch the highlight of that character right?
>>39821634Cool, don't care. I actually watched the episode so I can say she she had one good line.You know, for someone who proclaimed that you don't care about what other Anons think you sure can't help but reply instead of filtering or ignoring
>>39820829Yeah, the performance of the supporting cast so far is thankfully good which partially makes up for the weaker main trio.
>>39821874Agreed. I knew it was right to put my trust in them. I'm worried about Ono though, and whoever will voice Nightfall.
>>39821681>I can say she she had one good line.I hope you don't mean the "I'm her mother! blah blah blah" line towards the kidnappers because that was weak as hell. Couldn't feel any intimidation at all.
>>39821586What's happening in July?
>>39821950Ok she had no good lines then
>>39821968I'll pop off every week.
>>39821874Kek who would watch this anime for supporting characters, outside of the anime being popular it only spreads on seiyu community for having a cute Anya with Tanezaki as seiyu having seven color voices, Hayamin is being cute adult woman and you want to be stepped by, and Eguchi sounding sexy and is good at monologues, this show is fans service free if the main cast is weak nobody will watch.Rather than butthurting over other seiyuu success how about think why are your seiyufu not getting good works? Are they not good enough or maybe they have nothing special
>Hayamin in SxF and BRS>Akarin and Amisuke in Birdie Wing>Cunnymoto in Shachiku-sanhas any other season had this many blatant miscasts?
>>39822568amamiya should bank on her thighs she really has good ones.
>>39823636what is it with nips and gang signs?
>>39824190They must show who owns them.
>>39824358I wanna show Rieri I own her
>>39823636This fucking hair color lmao
>>39826235This faggot's attempts at becoming a celebrity seiyuu is so jarring.
>>39826838Time... is cruel
>>39826838merciless sayu mogging
>>39821950>Couldn't feel any intimidation at allSame anon, same.
>>39826838Who's the one at the left?
>>39822009As expected Aoifag always jealous of Hayamin
>>39821891>I'm worried about Ono thoughWe already heard Ono as Yuri and I'd say it was good enough
You know the voice acting is actually good when the only complaints come from the usual /seiyuu/ fags waging their weekly seiyuufu war
>>39828725Maybe if you stop getting baited so easily.
>>39828754What did he mean by this?
>>39828766jewish cannibal biting the bait.jpg
>>39821874>weaker main trioEguchi and Tanezaki seem alright. Hayamin i find is the weak link.
>>39828252That's something she has always struggled with and seems has yet to find the answer to.
>>39828931Maybe she needs a rival. There's no other ojousama type VA to challenge her. Inb4 Noto, she's from an older generation it needs to be another current seiyuu.
Hayami actually sounded fine as Audrey Hepburn in *that* Roman holiday. She knew better than to phone this role in like she did with Yor
how do I cope with the fact that my seiyuufu never worked on erotic VNs and probably never will
Top Gun: Maverickhttps://twitter.com/moriax291/status/1526034708844322817Morikawa Toshiyuki - Pete "Maverick" MitchellMiyano Mamoru - Bradley "Rooster" BradshawHonda Takako - Penelope "Penny" BenjaminNakamura Yuuichi - Jake "Hangman" SeresinUchida Maaya - Natasha "Phoenix" TraceTakeuchi Shunsuke - Robert "Bob" FloydUchida Yuma - Mickey "Fanboy" GarciaKimura Subaru - Reuben "Payback" FitchSugimura Kenji - Javy "Coyote" MachadoMiyake Kenta - Bernie "Hondo" ColemanKase Yasuyuki - Beau "Cyclone" SimpsonKusunoki Taiten - Solomon "Warlock" BatesMinsae Inori - Amelia BenjaminHirata Hiroaki - Nick "Goose" BradshawSaito Eri - Carole BradshawTochi Hiroki - Tom "Iceman" Kazansky
>>39830139If it's half as gay as the first movie, the fujoshi flock over the ships.But probably won't be, this isn't the 80's.
>>39830139Some of those seiyuu weren't even born yet when the original Top Gun came out.
>His seiyuufu doesn't have cute voice AND cute feetOhnonononono
>>39829465What is your definition of phoned in for me it will be copypasted acting for example there is no different between Saikawa and Becky for Emiri Katou, in Hayamin case she voiced Yamato, Sakurai, Emma and they are all different characters. If there is some minority complain early on more like because they got tired of her voice or expect her to use different voice or don't get yor character at all. It remind me of 2014 Mahouka when early on there are minority that didn't like her as Miyuki or called her being miscast but Majority loved her performance and the anime did well and Miyuki ended up being one of her most iconic roles. I will give applause to Hayamin who used to voice smart and honor student but managed to make Yor sounds so stupid and pure and like Camilla said being robotic, and Thorn Princess enough cruelity because she is not actually cruel in real life, for being such detail with her character i don't get how anyone call her phone in
does hanamori have cute feet
>>39830139>Uchida Maaya - Natasha "Phoenix">Uchida Yuma - Mickey "Fanboy" GarciaHow much pillowing did she have to do to get into all the recent blockbusters type movies? She also got her brother in this time.
>>39822910Cunnymoto is fine though? If you want her cutesy voice just watch Virgin Road
>>39831255She sounds like Hanakana not Hayamin
>>39830618I also don't get how she suddenly got so many dubbed roles after corona and obviously no anime roles except reprised roles and Pony Canyon anime
>>39831321I'M probably tryna push her into dubbing maybe?
>>39830608Granted that Hayami isnt the most fitting to voice Yor but imo her performance is really underwhelming for her standard. There are several scenes like the one >>39821950mentioned that I feel the amount of emotion behind the voice isnt right, like she barely trying to fit into the character at all but casuals will eat her shit like how they did with Sakamoto's Echidna anyway and it really bug me because I belive Hayami performance can be much better than this
>>39831340I think it has a thing do with her being MC for that movie program, she maybe got many links of blockbuster dub productions, maybe pony canyon played a part too look at Kito being able to get into Doctor Strange dubi don't think i'm can easily put anyone into dubbing
>>39831404Please do not respond to the Hayaminfag, he will just ignore you and call you a fag for shitting on his goddess.
>>39831404Tell me what kind of good intimidating performance? I notice some people here only talk like voice acting expert while they are not even a native but don't show actually good example
>>39831458My wife Nakahara gives god-tier intimidating performances
>>39831497Well, Rena for one when she starts going insane.
>>39828619you got the wrong anon, I love Hayaminonly Y.Aoi is like god to me
>>39831505But why would Yor acting like a madman in that kind of situation, this is jump we talk about they are into more realistic acting, no wonder Nakahara never get Jump role
>>39831529Watch more anime she's in, like Katanagatari, she's amazing in that.
>>39831529Nobody said Yor should act like a madman or anything but the effort behind the performance. You asked for a good intimidating performance and anon provided you one
There is not enough emotion in Yor lines,Hayamin ace as Shinobu but for Yor,It felt kinda weak and I cant feel yor gap moe.If only kayano didn’t anger the chinks she would have been great Yor.Eguchi and Anya is stable and ok I guess.
>>39830618The seething is palpable
>>39831567Forget it I think he doesn't like Nakahara
>>39830618how do you know it wasn't her brother doing the pillowing this time?
Can you remember all their Idol nicknames?
>>39832205Oh noes idolfag was triggered.
>>39832204What a good boy.
>>39832153>>39832208>knighting a whoreLMAO
Isn't she voicing a whore next season anyway?
>>39832205I only know Hina, she's the next gotouza-sama
>>39832243>noooo woman is having sex she must be a whorethe idolfag incel mentality, ladies and gentleman
>>39832265Cry more dumb Knight.
>>39832265>faggot spends his time monitoring the thread in case someone said something mean about his slut(s)Fucking lamer
>>39832271Not defending her as much as attacking you pathetic idolfag
The best sluts are the ones that don't need defending!
>>39832291The Y.Aoifag being the best as always.
ITT: another case of the Y.Aoifag(s) samefagging
>>39832327We're all the Y.Aoifag, or haven't you heard?
ITT: another case of a dumb knight getting triggered.
>>39832271>>39832274EXACTLY ONE MINUTE APART
>>39831567>>39831552Still one is Yandere, one is psychopath, the basic is being crazy so her opponents will be afraid, is that intimidating? Really? By that standard again no wonder Jump doesn't interest with her. It is being insane means putting more effort, what kind of standard is that. Can't help but to think Nakahara fag just feels that Hayamin robbed anything from Nakahara, so she keeps trying to call out her acting, when in fact they don't even act same type of character>>39831973If it is generic milf then Kayano will be great but a rather retard pure virgin mom i'm not sure, Emotion like what? being crazy? Her mama bear acting is great, when she comforted Anya is so good.Hayamin acting is so detailed that make me realize how great she is once again
>>39832398Damn why do you hate Nakahara so much Hayaminfag? When she's clearly the more talented of the two in terms of voice acting
>>39832454I don't give a fuck about Nakahara, you are the one taht keeps on trying to put down Hayamin
>>39832398You missed the point but okay i guess ?
>>39832484He doesn't care. Doesn't matter if you present the most logical argument he disregards it because you insulted his goddess in his eyes
>>39832454Aoifag here, Hayamin is very talented, but she went the HanaKana route and mostly just phones it in without trying these days, while Nakahara has an older school mentality in my opinion, which is why she seems to try when given the chance to show her chops.
>>39832495>>39829465 was meant for whoever posted this and dude took it personally kek
>>39832535I agree with you Aoifag. Its just what happens when you're able to get super comfortable with roles, same thing happened with Sawashiro, Sakamoto was always extremely average so she doesn't count.>>39832677Oh yeah, its pretty much par for him to take it personally. Sometimes if he's really mad, he'll spam the threads to oblivion with idol pics.Btw I honestly don't care if I become his boogeyman, I find it hilarious.
>>39832704I love Sakamoto's voice and her acting is alright in certain anime (Monogatari, KnK) but she is more of a singer and approaches anime like dubbing I think, which is why it's mostly just a job for her and hence why she comes off as average or often doesn't live up to her name.
>>39832736Its a shame since she has such a big resume, yet you just named her only 2 good roles.
I hope Sakamoto get to voice Makima
>the idolschizo is still triggered
Based producer-san the cause of many meltdowns.
>another idol spamLike clockwork
>>39833541he can't keep getting away with it!
>>39833403>>39833747Go back >>39775337
>>39833755Why do those Bushi idolfags keep raiding this thread?
>>39833766It's actually just the one
>>39833766Idolfaggotry = mental illness
>>39833766He's a psychotic knight.
>>39832535Birds of a feather flock together
I'd take bushifags over avatarfags anyday 2bh
Let us talk about how great Asami Imai is.
>>39833871Nah fuck back to your containment thread.
>>39833885I will if you fuck off back to /a/
So that crazy idolfag is that knight too. Glad to know it's it's just one retard.
>>39833871Honestly the Bushifags are usually harmless unless they spam nonsense. The worst they do is post videos or pics, which isn't really that much different from what this thread already tends to do in the first place. I'd rather have them than people like the frogposter.With that said, it is a good question as to why they bother posting here when the other thread already exist. I can at least understand the ones like Ayane or Suzuko who do Bushiroad stuff but also have several non-Bushiroad roles. I can even understand posting Aimi here since she's done plenty of anime that aren't Bushiroad-related/adjacent. But others like Risa Tsumugi who almost exclusively do Bushiroad series and don't do much other voice acting stuff don't really belong here.
She will never fuck you.
>>39833912Don't bother with typing so much. This idolschizo has been hounding the thread for 2years.
>>39833912You must be new.It's the same psycho shitposting all over the board including vtubing shit. Bushi thread is pretty slow.
No matter how hard you try the thread will never become another idol general.
Serious question though: in which thread could you even talk about "idol" seiyuu who aren't Bushiroad or Love Live? Take for example the Cue girls. They obviously don't belong in the Idolmaster/Love Live/Bushiroad threads. But it's difficult if not impossible to talk about them here because they're "idol" seiyuu. Where can people talk about them then? I don't think there's even demand for a dedicated "Idol seiyuu" general since who counts as an idol seiyuu would depend on the person. For example, an argument could be made that Taketatsu and Yuuki are idol seiyuu because they had Petit Milady. Ogura and Ishihara had YuiKaori, so technically they'd count too.
>>39833967why do you care about some random esl schizo definition of what can and cannot be posted in here you humongous faggot
>>39833967As you can see those idol groups attract psychos so they should all fuck off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK1vcnXhg5kSkull rape ed.
As long as the posts aren't shit like frogposting, spamming, or uguu posting, I don't really see harm in talking about seiyuu like, for example, Yurina Uchiyama or Manatsu Murakami here. Like for example, if there was an anon who was impressed by Murakami's acting and discussed why, I don't see the problem with it. On the other hand, if an anon just said "I love Manatsu ugu uwu" then yeah that doesn't belong here.
Slut Uchida the cause of many meltdowns.
>>39833938https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HT1aEWHz-wSpeaking of which. Mayuyu/Yume Kotobuki is live.
>>39833979I'm not the one policing the threads, my question was directed at the one(s) who is/are doing that.
>>39833967>>39833996Go make your own idol general.
Honoka Inoue is my favourite seiyuu idol.
>idolfag meltdown for the nth timeNothing will change as always.
>>39833912Mimori Suzuko is de facto not involved in any Bushiroad IPs anymore now that Seisho's story in Starlight is pretty much over.Now, she's only part of Hibiki and married to an NJPW wrestler. Not like she gets talked about anymore anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MczrCH-DxjcMayuchi was streaming again.
>>39833996If you allow one the rest will invade. He keeps on posting Bushi and LL seiyuu even when they have their own thread.
>>39834004You cant see how you are in the wrong for even trying to talk to it?
>>39833996Nah the faggot prove he can't behave himself with his 2 years of constant spamming and OP hijacks.
How long will his tantrum and off-topic idol spam last this time?
Why is she imitating hanaKana's look?
>>39834107You can simply ignore his posts? Pretend he doesn't exist. Act as if he's not there. Post on-topic stuff and filter him.
>>39834133Are you kidding? I live to be mad all the time.
>>39834116that's every generic japanese hag that used to be pretty
>>39834133Shitting on retards is sport.
>>39834133He can post in his dedicated idol threads.
>>39833997she do it for his brother
>>39834133Next you'll say we should be nice to MKL.
>>39834156So HanaKana used to be pretty?
We should use this as the next OP picture
>>39834243You have my blessing
I love this 2.5d princess.
>>39834326based, make sure you satisfy her every night
>>39836044Speaking of pillowing...
>>39836826Greek beauty standards
>>39838029She's indeed a grecian goddess.
>>39838229>watching some random anime clip on youtube about a school rifle club>character opens mouth>It was MachicochiPleasant surprise
Koyama Rikiya's ass makes me so hard.
>>39839258S E X
>>39839258Why are you gay homosexual?
Sugita Tomokazu's thighs makes my nips so hard.
>>39839310Goddess of SEX
>>39839244I want her to step on my balls with those heels
>>39839310No homosexuality please!
>>39839393Then you're in the wrong thread.
KARADA CHUU GA DAISUKI TTE SAKEBU NO
>>39808979is she ever going to get married?
https://twitter.com/0812asumikana/status/1526373550088921088Asumi Kana gave birth.
>>39840745Who was the one complaining about her lack of lines in Sachiku-san? This is probably the reason why
What’s the best seiyuu performance you’ve heard in anime?
>>39840987Kamiya Hiroshi as Natsume.
>>39840745Whoa, is that why there's been no news about the upcoming Yama no Susume anime until recently?
https://youtu.be/wxT61uWZlYsThis one is getting anime apparently. The main casts pair are Hayamin and Rieri.
>>39841293Disgusting cast aside. I have to wonder how Kombu does it getting.Like even the Boob manga has Komatsu, Kayanon and Tanechan
>>39841293>>39841311Ok update: I looked at who they were voicing and ffs that's even worse, she can't voice shotas.Casting should be reversed
>>39840745> divorce and 2nd marriage announcement half a year agoThat is quick
>>39840987Wakamoto as Charles
>>39841293I thought people say Hayamin won't do romcom anymore. Also recently Hayamin and Rieri have tagged along in quite a lot of projects haven't they? They were doing an interview together for Dai anime not long ago, and Rieri will show up as one of the guests for Hayamin's birthday event too
>>39841293I guess I won't be needing this anymore
>>39841358Money talks. She should however be voicing the maid and TakaRie voicing the shota.I feel like her management saw comments about how she's not versatile enough and so they decided to give her roles she simply doesn't have the voice for, like shotas and lolis.
I wish Cunnymoto would do more erotic stuff Not expecting full on H stuff like eroge obviously but lewder stuff would be nice
>>39841406Her other one. Sekai Oppai. Its the yuri one.Main couple fucked as of latest chapterA Drama CD was released which had Komtasu as the tomboy, Tanechan as the big boobed heroine, and Kayano as the predatory lesbian ojou-sama. I think Rina Hidaka is in it as well as the loli Kayano's character is in love with, but I have to double check that
>>39832243>>39832271>>39833902>>39833856>>39832335What's this I hear of a Knight?
>>39841432Damn, what a waste of good cast
>>39841437Its better than the shota maid one, but not as good as Jahy
>>39833967Airblue is not Idol.
>>39841358>I thought people say Hayamin won't do romcom anymoreNah she won't do harem or high school romcom type in which she voices the heroine, this one she voices the shota MC
>>39840721I wonder she wants Nakamura to notice her
>>39840987Y.Aoi in everything, and also Hiroshi Kamiya in Shaft shit and >>39841015
>>39842693I'll do her a solid and get Nakamura faded for her in exchange for setting me up with some her cute seiyuu friends
>>39842947All her friends are married baba
>>39843311Who is KitaEri?
>>39843287Mikubros she's live rnpyxis 7th birthday streamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKIx2TVZ-WA
>>39843913Erotic! But who is the one wearing yellow and why are you spamming tumblr images?
>>39843876>>39843913VomitiousThe show, that is
>don't like y.aoi>definitely don't like y.aoi>see images of y.aoi which only affirms my dislike. .>being to wonder, is it wrong if I like y.aoi?Help me, someone.
Aoiposting is cool and all, but what about Emiryun?
>>39844019Oops, wrong picture.
>>39844019She makes contract with Y.Aoi.
>>39844162did Yuuki Aoi sell her soul?
>>39844186Yes, to rule over everything.
>>39844320but Katou Emiri gets to keep her soul? she seems like the real master to me
>>39844343Maybe she is.
>>39841318>>39841368It can be another refreshing like Shimakaze that end up being recent most popular Azurlane character in nipland.Also you are complaining too much when seiyuu play their type you call them typecast, when they played out of character you call them don't fit or they are not as good as your favorite
>>39844428>doesn't understand objectivity>cannot properly judge seiyuu or their acting>does not understand why the thread dislikes "them"Sad.
>>39844461Honestly Hayamin dislike only come recently when someone said she is best seiyuu of her generation and SpyxFamily being popular, i wonder someone don't feel threatened by her until recently, also not the thread there are only two who clearly dislike her, they are obviously most annoying posters in this thread that acting like seiyuu expert all the time, but never actually think why are they favorite not doing as good as their expected
>>39844735>they are obviously most annoying posters in this threadNah, i actually find your over defensive reaction posting far more annoying. Many anons have already told you to just ignore but you just can't seem to let go.Not to mention your ESL levels are off the charts and your posts are cancer inducing to read.
>>39843840I missed it...
What the fuck is happening to her career?
>>39845368Besides popping off? Her handlers are still trying to sell her as a visual. She should copy Y.Aoi and embrace she's a goblin.
>>39845368she's doing promotion stuff for doctor strange
Based Sugita is buying CUE! merch AND knows who the best girl is
>>39846368She went for eye surgery .
Nice OP but too early, faggot.
All you're seiyuufu will be old hags eventually.
>>39848646You want this thread >>39842800
Gee the psycho idolfag is still stalking the thread.
>>39843913>>39843876Aoi small feet
last for kanon takao
Aoi always wins, baby.