Previous thread: >>36811016This thread is for the discussion of untranslated Japanese visual novels.What are you playing? What are you looking forward to? What have you finished? You know the drill.
this hentai prison looks a lot more appealing to me than nukitashi, at least based on character designs alone
Out of curiosity, I went to search for what else Qruppo made, and just discovered they are the doujin group that made Boku wa Tomodachi ~I am not sweetheart.~This makes so much sense now, no wonder they had the balls to pull these games off, it's on their DNA.
Is there a visual novel where a guy lives with his younger sister as a married couple while trying to hide the fact that they're siblings to friends and neighbors?
>>36906693Not a VN but I guess シスコン兄とブラコン妹が正直になったら kinda fits
>>36906501>Boku wa Tomodachi ~I am not sweetheart.~is it any good?
Is Mahoyo hard to read?
>>36907502Don't read it if it's your first game.
>>36907478My mind if fuzzy on the details, but it's obviously rougher around the edges than nukitashi.Even so, you can see the classic Qruppo subversion/embrace of its themes.And the theme in this one is, well, VNs. Except the MC is not the protagonist.
I've finished the normal route and Minami's route so far. Despite being a game with some pretty heavy themes, neither of the endings I've unlocked have resonated with me that much. The writer does a good job of making you care about the characters, but by the end of each route it doesn't even feel like a big deal that the world is about to end .Gonna get all of the endings because apparently there's some sort of epilogue that gets unlocked at the end, but the only other route that really interests me is Aoba's.Tentatively: Aoba > Umi > Minami > Asahi > Yuuhi
>>36907502It's definitely above average. No voice acting, Chuuni-ness in key action scenes, vague descriptions of magic stuff and foreshadowing that doesn't get resolved don't help the readability either. The prose itself also reads more like a 'real' novel so there are some writing structures that you normally don't see in your dialogue > 2-3 lines of exposition > dialogue VN.
>>36906501>Out of curiosity, I went to search for what else Qruppo made, and just discovered they are the doujin group that made Boku wa Tomodachi ~I am not sweetheart.~ah shit they were behind that? had no cluethings are starting to make sense
>>36907602>The writer does a good jobnice joke
Finished the Hentai Prison Trial. So there will be another trial in november? When is this game scheduled to be out? You think they will put the entire common route into these trials?
Image you are busy fucking your imouto when she suddenly drops this wicked line of poetry on you.
>>36909494I'd get harder.
>>36909494I fucking love Sakuya, wish KKK had proper routes and more h-scenes.
>>36909598The couples are so set in stone that breaking them for the sake of routes would just feel bad. More H is always welcome of course. Every light game I've played has pretty top-notch voice acting.
>>36909598I'll be honestI love KKK's format, you've got a single story being told from multiple perspectives - nothing is filler, every encounter and fight mattersOne thing I absolutely hated about Dies Irae was how the first two routes were essentially set ups, the eroge structure of heroine routes is really restrictive at times especially in the case of chuunishit like light.
>>36909670>Every light game I've played has pretty top-notch voice actingTheir voice director kills it, always gets the seiyuus to bring out their A-game
>>36909795In a sense it is cool that everything is canon, yes. But I miss the power of choice you usually have in VNs to drastically modify the story and see different outcomes. KKK is a big kinetic VN so you have no power there, everything is already set including the pairings.
The trial for Hentai Prison is so good that I feel bad for continuing to read it when the full game isn't out. It's a bummer that the game is coming out during the holidays because I won't have any time to read it then.
>>36910088I learned my lesson with the Tomefure S trial, and I'm being patient. I expect to forget this lesson in a few months, as usual.
Oh God I can't just jump in to the latest story. Anyone has complete save file?
My sides. They are officially gone.
>>36910542Why not play the PC version?
>>36910869He's obviously trying to read the vita extras while skipping the main story.
Why are russians in eroge always the best girls?
>>36911452>relatively realistic looking nips as background charactersWhat the heck. The contrast is fucking with my mind.
>>36911452Because they are the least russian characters that exist in any media.Not to mention they are often shirokami too.
>>36911482Considering it looks like it's a chikange, I'd say it makes way too much sense.
Last month's releases are trying to kill me with how much they make me fap.
Sad, why doesn't YouTubeさん let Japanese people upload whatever crazy shit they want uncensored anymore?
>>36912658because youtube are globohomo slaves that want to turn you gay and your future kids into bestiality lovers
>>36912865This. Now get into the Amazon-Google anti-stress box.
>>36910647her VA was a total amateur and she absolutely killed it
>>36913074When I heard her first lines, grumbling in the morning, I was all "what the fuck is this shit, did they hire a random girl off the streets to talk in a mic".Now I love her.
Are your favorite developers as interesting as the games they make?https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A2%E3%83%9C%E3%82%AC%E3%83%89%E3%83%91%E3%83%AF%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA
Ah yes, a two-player zero-sum deterministic game with perfect information. I can't believe I didn't know how to talk about game theory in Japanese before. Truly a kamige.
>>36913431>>36913074>>36910647Post a based example brothers.
>>36906501>no wonder they had the balls to pull these games offWhy? why do you need balls for this shit?
>>36913984I only saved this from the previous thread and webm related.>>36857814(You need 4chan sound extension to hear it.)I love her machine-gun talks. https://files.catbox.moe/qnkjl5.mp3
Hey look, it's prototype-スス子
>>36914010He's just another retard who speaks in hyperboles. Don't take that shit seriously.
Anyone have the はるはろ tech gian trial?https://vndb.org/r8670Or any collection of TG disks for that matter. All their rare exclusives make it frustrating to keep track of and archive already niche media.
>>36908978>So there will be another trial in november?Yes. It literally says so at the end of the first trial> When is this game scheduled to be out?Nov 26, how can you download the trial without knowing this>You think they will put the entire common route into these trials?Yes
>>36911452>Why are russians in eroge always the best girls?white hair russians
>>36913074Didn't she have plenty of experience on doujin voicework stuff? Those do tend to be kinda bad when doing eroge so it is still kinda surprising that she's so good.
sorry for being a tard but could someone spoonfeed me on where/how to get the Maid DLC for 俺を欲しがる二人の母
>>36914104Anon I do not think normal females talk like this. I only know about them from my sister though, so maybe some out there do?
>>36915466Go back where you came from and take your frog with you.
managed to power through skipping everything>>36910869yeah this >>36910877turns out the bits of extra story are put inside the main story
>>36919038Shizuku-chan should have fucked Michiru.
>>36918083>normal imoutos don't act like thisBros...he's j-joking, right? This can't be.
>>36915508Yes, her VA has a ton of doujin ASMR credits but this is her first actual role in anything.
>>36912658After realizing that I started downloading their "cut content" and teaser videos before they are deleted. Its all extra content for the game, similar to a voice drama.
>>36914010Nukitashi was Qruppo's first release as a company, and yet that isn't the kind of game you'd usually use as your first release, so I was initially confused as to how and why.Turns out they already had prior practice, so everything makes sense.
does MC even know what he's saying?
>>36920828It's stupid, it's somewhat true and a lot of emotionally underdeveloped men suffer from it.
>>36909795Does K3 have a guide? Or do I go blind
I'm getting ready to play oretsuba.Does 俺たちに翼はない ～Prelude～ include all of these pic related trials?
Recommend me ONE vn right now, i'm waiting, and none of that gay vanilla high-school rom com shit, ok?
>>36921970Ok, I won' recommend even one vanilla high-school rom com shit.
>>36922014Thanks anon, looks decent, i'll give it a try!
>>36914112All the heroines were great in it.Even the childhood friend which I thought would be annoying had a unique kind of chemistry with the actually good and not annoying MC.
>>36917003Try looking for it in /vg/ archives I remember uploading it on the nukige general there before it moves back to this board
>>36922194Damnit, now I want to replay it...Meh, might as well.
>>36921958Those prologues are present in the original tooJust play prelude for those heroine pov chapters and start the original and then play oretsuba r only for ai
Does anyone have the Windows 8 patch for ニャルプラス?http://holyseal.homeip.net:8000/mirror4/grandcross/nyaruplus/08_NYARUPLUS.zipis dead and I can't find the file on wayback machine. Maybe other fixes for that engine work? It has multiple .war and a rio.ini file.I had a game with the same engine before and also couldn't run it.
>>36925887Anon... sigh, just this once!https://web.archive.org/web/20160318214549/http://holyseal.homeip.net:8000/mirror4/grandcross/nyaruplus/08_NYARUPLUS.zip
Anyone here can provide hooks for Semiramis no Tenbin? I recently started reading VN's and not very computer savvy and really want to read this one. Thanks in advance!
>>36925921Fuck I'm an archive noob. I went to the main site and tried searching it but it didn't come up and Grand Cross wasn't listed either. Thanks for helping a retard, anon...
If any of you is bored out of your mind you can keep reading and take a look at this Magpie eroge scaling model comparison:Use 1-9, 0, q, w keys to navigate. https://slow.pics/c/x8T9qaTXResults usually vary on artstyle and scaling amount (here its 600p->900p/1080p) so don't get attached to your pick.>Lunch scene: 1 (lanczos) and w (amd fsr) are immediately out for not being good enough comperatively.8, 9, 0 (all ACNet) butchers the background details too much for my taste. 2 (Ravu) looks too blurry.>Citrus Girls scene: q (Anime4K) has too many artifacts around the girls chins. I like my girls with rosy cheeks so 5, 7 are out. 3, 4, 6 are left. 3 has an advantage as their cheeks look cuter.>Unusual Pupils scene:Here again 8, 9, 0 (all ACNet) butchered the details on the pupils. Other than that most of them look usable. 1, 2, w are still blurry.Personal verdict: 3 or 6. I think I'll go with 3 this time.
>>369260875 is best on all three
Where should I start ikusa megami series?
Brothers, should I focus on Japanese or Koine Greek? I know it's a weird question, but I haven't read eroge for a while due to life circumstances, but I feel kind of bad for not perfecting my Japanese to a higher level. I have time for learning one language right now and I do not know which one it should be.
>>36926270Which one helps you do something other than pure consooming
>>36926270Learn Spanish or Chinese. Those help you more in life.
>>36926270Whichever brings you more joy in life.Do you enjoy jerking off and playing video games or fucking boys? No judgment either way, you do you.
>>36926270Learn Russian or Chinese to prepare for the collapse of the West.
EOPs never talk about it because they only have 3 bad translations but what do JOPs think about Cross Channel?
>>36926588I vaguely remember regretting wasting my time to reading it.
>>36926612 (retard)My english is failing me so hard today, fuck me.
>>36926588I remember people talking about it in english circles 12 years ago bruh. Quality aside, if you're into VNs you might want to read it just for its cult classic status.
>>36926733fuck me how did I not realize that was a reference
>>36926750Well, that game is almost 20 years old. Nobody would blame you.
>>36926588Deserves its status.
>>36926768anon I read cross channel and nukitashi
What should i expect from https://vndb.org/v31002 ? Just moeshit with good production value? Never read Hulotte stuff before.
>>36926774Yes, so did I.And I didn't remember that reference either. Cross Channel is an old-ass game, and nobody is expected to make any correlations.
>>36926789I'm obviously biased, but Hullote has yet to disappoint me.This game was no exception.
>>36926789Start with https://vndb.org/v26989 for your first Hulotte.
>>36926810Any particular reason to?
>>36926810Yes, anon, what's your agenda, huh?
>>36926317Japanese I love as a language, this is why I ask if it is worth to maximize my knowledge of it before moving on to something else.>>36926520I already know Russian though anon.
>>36926838No real reason but I think it's more consistent and where Hulotte peaked in quality. The new one is less so and the heroines were inferior. Orefuka had Kohaku, Nayuri and Shio. The others were also good. The other older games are also good starting points.>>36926852Yes, huh?
>>36926888>No real reason but I think it's more consistent and where Hulotte peaked in quality.Sounds like a good reason to read it slightly later then, in order not to set expectations too high. I'm gonna read most of their stuff sooner or later either way. But you know how it is, just released title looking all shiny and new.
>>36926936To be fair, https://vndb.org/v13260 was the one that caught me into Hullote games in the first place, and I'd say to start there.If you get even a little bit invested in VNs, you will get some feels, specially because of the pseudo-linearity of it, which ends up working in its favor.I don't exactly like the MC, but his actions make sense in context, so I can turn a blind eye to him.
>>36926936You seem set on reading the new one so go for it. I'd advice to start with the one that has the most interesting premise. Hulotte is kind of like Yuzusoft in that each game has a theme/gimmick and some click better with you than others.The only one I'd avoid is With Ribbon. Fuck them for not giving best girl a route. At least they learned from that and made good imouto heroines later.
>>36927355>The only one I'd avoid is With Ribbon. Fuck them for not giving best girl a route.Sounds reasonable. Thanks.
>>36926588Maybe it was fresh and entertaining when it came out but it's very mediocre and badly written if you play it these days. I won't recc it to anyone. Just read jintai if you want Romeo. It still holds up unlike Romeo's other works from 00s.
What do you drink when you're about to finish a great VN?
>>36926270You sound unsatisfied with your japanese. How about you set a time limit where you learn jap a bit more than usual and move to greek later?
>>36926270Learning Chinese and Japanese would be fun. There are a lot of loan words between the two languages.
>>36926810I read https://vndb.org/v23388 first and a couple routes in https://vndb.org/v26989 just felt like straight up copies
I've been masturbating once a week and I still haven't finished that milkfactory succubus game
>>36927929There's not much in Japanese other than Chinese words or Japanese made Chinese words
>>36927865Yes, I guess so anon. I was reading Muramasa before I had to drop Japanese but now a lot of my vocabulary has deteriorated.
>>36928033>once a weekLolYou have low libido
>itazuraneko links wiped>VN masterlist goneit wasn't supposed to be like this bros.....
>>36930080Be more specific. VN list is working for me, tried a link and it worked.
>>36926270Are you a church goer anon?
>>36930130A lot of the links are privated and need you to request access, requested access on a link with a burner email like a week ago and still nothing
>>36930130https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11x8eCgfWLO64hDV1N1ZFe4aZleWEKbaFitT96tzva9s/pubhtml#Not him but links here are privated
>>36930080Just use ryuugames ;^),
>>36930407>>36930410Well, fuck.I guess at least there's a list that still works itazuraneko neocities. It seems older, but there's still stuff there.
Did nobody dump the files in a torrent? I could seed it for a while, i happen to be working out a home server so it may or may not stay seeded for a long time
>>36931319anon it's like 5tb what do you think your maybe/maybe not promise is going to accomplish
When will you guys learn English to read EVN kamige?
>>36933028Moe nor chuuni exist in English so what's the point?
>>36933103Chuunige are westaboo as fuck thoWestern philosophy is chuuni as fuck
>>36933130Basically every chuunige I've played is full of buddhist bullshit which is pretty much the opposite of "westaboo".
>>36933163They are buddhist with Christian aesthetics
>>36933163Hello Lady straight up quotes from shakespeare
>>36933268shakespeare isn't real
>>36933236>Christian aestheticsOr nazis lol
>>36933236Seems like a reach there. It's incredibly common for chuunige to have a bunch of buddhist babble in it and themes revolving around reincarnation and yadda yadda. Those are all eastern concepts. Hell, I can even think of some "Christian" characters that talk about this shit.
>mandatory nietzsche quote
>>36933328But chuuni aesthetic is entirely made out of western shit even if the core ideology is buddhist. Just look at FSN or dies irae.
>>36933367>aestheticModern dress in and of itself is mostly entirely western shit. That's not really meaningful. Core themes/ideology > superficial stuff.
>>36933407>he thinks aesthetic just means dressLol
>>36933407Chuunige is mostly about superficial cool shit, idiot. Philosophy is just subordinate to this.
>>36933500>Chuunige is mostly about superficial cool shitSure a bad one is. The actual good ones have actual characters and themes though which are the most important thing.>inb4 they're all bad
>>36933547Then all of them are bad if you unironically care about their themes. They have childish philosophical takes for a reason and you're consuming chuunige for all wrong reasons.
>>36933407Faust is pretty important to Dies Irae's themes though, the whole 'beauty of a moment' thing
>>36933407I think people underestimate how much "aesthetic" or superficial reasons matter. It's behind why we play VNs as opposed to literary novels. No one comes into this medium for some life-changing messages. It all starts from simple dumb shit like "oh god this girl is moe and I wanna ichacha" or "oh wow these nazi motherfuckers are cool". If all that mattered was philosophy you can just read nonfiction.
>>36933689You know, there's a massive middle ground between "serious philosophical essay" and whatever you want to consider "bottom of the barrel entertainment".
>>36933689unironically this eroge is known for dumb messages and it has nothing new to offer in terms of themes like any other entertainment mediumso the real meat of the work surrounding thematic skeleton seperates it from other medium. themes are mostly excuse to arrive at certain scenes or situations.
>>36933689>No one comes into this medium for some life-changing messagesHaha if only you knew how retarded people are these days....Like I know a lot of people who are learning Japanese right now just to read sakuuta's philosophy and sca-ji's tweets
>>36933568Do you hold all literature to this same standard? It's normal for a work to have several themes that are reinforced by the characters and overall story. Nobody said they need to be "deep" or "profound" or whatever. I feel like everyone is strawmanning here. I'm just saying that in general the characters tend to have fundamentally eastern perspectives which triumphs shit like "oh they smoke had use guns".
>>36933919>learning Japanese right now just to read sakuuta's philosophy and sca-ji's tweetsLol what
>>36933994What I mean is you don't understand the essence of chuunige. Ofc they will have eastern perspectives because they are written by nips. But you can have these same themes in non-chuunige stuff too. Chuunige for me feels like nips playing with western aesthetics and tropes, and most of them do indeed rely on western philosophy too.
I can't help but sometimes feel that people are thinking too deep or just making shit up/projecting when they talk about super deep themes etc.It feels like high school English class or something. It seems like the "VN community" goes the extra mile with this stuff too.
>>36934126Implying that there aren't also a bunch of eastern aesthetics like stupidly oversized weapons, the obligatory Asian faction, and so on. I mean sure often they talk about concepts that originated in Ancient Greece or whatever, but that doesn't suddenly make it a "westaboo" work. If they were doing that, there wouldn't be the million other inherently Japanese things in the story.
>>36933919Whatever you say, moron. I unironically think sca-di is the best writer of all time across all mediums. His complex treatment of themes, and his deep understanding of human condition is unparalleled and unprecedented. He's a dreamer, teacher and a writer at the same time. The best thing about sakuuta is naoya is literally Sca-di. Sca-di knows what art truly means, and his uncompromising vision to elevate VNs to the level of art is perfectly executed in SakuUta/SubaHibi. You really need to give up being a human if you don't like his works/think they are just lowbrow porn. He's the only one in this medium who genuinely wants to make art instead of products to be sold on market for profit. You rarely find people like him even in literary circles. You can find easily flaws in his work but doing so by ignoring what he achieves only makes you a contrarian low iq fuck.
>>36934280People just list out themes with associated plot summary in our community. It's just what's taught in HS English classes.
>>36934355Or if they're film brained they'll talk about how a scene is composed and played out, and what little details make it special.
>>36934377Or if they're literary brained they'll go much prose poetry
do you guys have to act like your too cool for eroge in every fucking thread
>>36934355Yeah, I'm not one if those people that think "hahaha VNs are trash, anime porn games", I definitely think they can potentially have merit, I just wonder why theme talk etc is so huge with VN readers , especially of untranslated titles.I consoom a lot of (non-Japanese, non-VN) media and often check online discussions about it, and pretty much never see 50 tweet manifestos about the themes or whatever and how the work changed how they're going to live their life. However I feel like I see this kind of stuff regularly when looking up VN discussions. A lot of it feels like people trying to show off how smart or perceptive they think they are.
>>36934355Nah, the situation's worse than that. People actually talk about themes in isolation from everything else. That's a requirement to make a VN sound more profound than it actually is.
>>36934491Many early JOPs were pretentious fags, and we're still stuck in that culture. There's no other way to explain why they purely focused on muh life-changing themes.
>>36934355Sca-ji fags >>36934377 jackson or maruto fags.>>36934462Romeo or mareni fags
I think it's easy to sit back and call things trivial while not understanding them yourself. There's a pattern I've seen my whole life where I or someone else have a revelation, and other people pretend they already knew it and that it was obvious and anyone who didn't know it already was basically ignorant and stupid, even when they themselves didn't understand it. Human beings aren't born with universal knowledge of life, we're born as mostly blank slates and we have to crawl our way up from the mud. There are deep truths about lives that many can go their whole lives without realizing, even when they seem so obvious when stated and presented. For this reason it's all a matter of having a humble mindset. If you recognize like Socrates that you know nothing, you can be better equipped to appreciate the wisdom presented to you. If you're an arrogant idiot on 4chan that doesn't realize how little you know, you can just mock wisdom presented to you as stuff everyone should know, while not actually learning or understanding anything yourself.Ima didn't change my world view, it just gave me language to express some things, and some insights into how human behavior. My world view is largely the same. And of course I am no strangers to books. Ima reminds me the most of Dostoevsky's writings. As always I must question why supposed VN fans hate them so much and consider them inferior to books. Then again, I feel like in this electronic society, people kind of opt to thinking of books as some kind of status symbol since they themselves have abandoned books and only view them as like peak intellectualism that's above everything else. If you actually read books you'll find they're nothing so transcendental. (Philosophical treatises aside. I'm thinking about fiction here. Naturally a hardcore 300 page philosophy essay will contain more wisdom than your average VN.)
>>36934491Look at Japanese discussion then. English discussion is tainted by people who want to show off that they learned Japanese and/or people who delude themselves to help convince them that learning Japanese was worth it. The increasing frequency of translations as well as proficiency of machine translations is only making those insecurities stronger.
>>36934652>Naturally a hardcore 300 page philosophy essay will contain more wisdom than your average VN.)Not sure your average deep VN analyst on Twitter e-celeb would agree.
>>36934652I agree with you here, but as a warning you probably shouldn't take 4chan posts so seriously. Nobody here is saying how they really feel.
>>36934491>I just wonder why theme talk etc is so huge with VN readers , especially of untranslated titles.It's because it's really easy to talk about themes without having to actually say anything. You notice how almost all conversations about themes never actually say much about what those themes are or how the VN develops them?
>>36934652Go back, quof. Ima is garbage.
>>36934710>>36934720dudes, you're talking to a fucking copypasta
>>36934725>It's because it's really easy to talk about themes without having to actually say anything. You notice how almost all conversations about themes never actually say much about what those themes are or how the VN develops them?I bet it's because faggots rarely understand what they actually read, like skipping lines they don't get and shit. Like try asking people about some specific moments in eroge they totally just finished while totally understanding 100% of it, most of them won't be able to answer any of your questions lol
https://constructedheroisms.wordpress.com/2016/09/27/practicum-for-aesthetes-2-using-metafiction-cyrano-de-bergerac-in-subarashiki-hibi/Speaking of themes in eroge, I read this essay on Subahibi a while back and really liked it. I wanted to turn it in a copypasta but then I realized that I actually liked the essay and didn't want people to make fun of it.
>>36934720It's just quof strawmanning /vn/ when people accused him of speaking like moogy
>>36934781I just have a bad memory, I can't remember anything I read these days.
>>36934747>>36934748>>36934805Why would you out yourself as MTLing EOPs like this?>>>/vg/
>>36934802Yeah his posts are good, and kastel and his friends hated him.
>>36934817Weak bait, bro.Try harder next time
>>36934817/vn/ is just shitposting zone for JOPs so that they don't ruin this place.
>>36934817I dump all my low-quality shitposts there so I can have high quality discussion here.
>>36934870What are the themes of this moment in that VN?
>>36934817I think >>>/vg/ is too fast for shitpost, i prefer discord. A lot of manchild with fragile ego there.
>>36934925The author definitely meant to tell us something more with that moment. Try a little harder, anon.
>>36934913>What are the themes of this moment in that VN?there are themes in sakumoyu? i thought it's very fun and entertaining to read without giving a fuck about themes
>>36934956that one scene where it justified a guy having sex with his mom stood out to me
>>36935048Now that you mention it there are several instances of people wanting to fuck their mother in that VN
>>36935160It's part of the whole 'age is just a number' theme of the VN.
>>36935239>age is just a numberBut you can't fuck the only real loli (>>36934870), or at least I think that's the reason I never bothered with it.
>>36935271She's actually like hundreds of years old so she doesn't count
>60 new posts in my thread watcher>"better be insightful discussion and not just anons bickering about"Imagine my disappointment
>>36934652I agree. The biggest example of this is Umineko.
>>36936102You should've known better
>>36934652>>36936120It's funny because Ryukishi07 already called these people out. They have no love for a medium they've spent hundreds of hours of their life on, and without love, it cannot be seen.
>>36934802>And this – to me – is the finest trick. Which is much higher than the mere statement of “Live Happily” – which some people may choose to read as ‘finding happiness in the calmness of daily life despite all of its troubles – and not seeking for any kind of metaphysical reprieve in an afterlife – since death does not exist”.>A problem with this interpretation is that it does not exactly fit SubaHibi – whose artifices and reliance on Slice of Life tropes are quite distant from any semblance to real life, while its most directly truthful moments comes from some of its most painful moments of suffering. To be honest, that kind of moral would fit something like a Yasujiro Ozu film, or a Hirokazu Koreeda film, or Yoji Yamamoto’s The Twilight Samurai better – or even the Up Documentaries. Mihaly Csikszenthmihalyi’s Optimal Experience is a better text at teaching the secret to appreciating daily life.>The trick is this – SubaHibi has convinced you to live in happiness in your own realistic daily life (if you are open to the message that is) – whilst the entire story is made up of the highest level of artifice – and it directly throws this fact in your face with the very first epigraph. In other words, it is a story about the triumph of Fiction over life, underscoring life, and making life all the more vibrant because of it. The moral of the story is not just “Live Happily” but “Live Happy Fantasies” – the failure of happiness for some of the characters in the work is not due to being delusional, but due to having the wrong delusions.damn...this, unironically, made me think a lot
>>36934802this is the first literary criticism that hasn't wanted to make me shoot the author in around a decade
>>36936102if you ever come back to the thread after 6-12 hours and see a lot of posts its almost guaranteed to just be shitposting
>Guys Literally Only Want One Thing And It's Fucking Disgusting.
>>36936592Bonus points for based MC
>>36936769Did it work?
>>36933919learned Japanese for the sole reason of reading Sakuutaprobably the best decision I made in my life
What's the best child like voice in VN? this one is fucking my ears up. (Monobeno's main girl)>>36936777It seems I'm banned from posting pictures from my IP range.
>>36934280>I can't help but sometimes feel that people are thinking too deep or just making shit up/projecting when they talk about super deep themes etc.>It feels like high school English class or something. It seems like the "VN community" goes the extra mile with this stuff too.Absolutely but it's not just them. Last month I forced myself through Nier Automata hating that game from start to finish but I wanted to finish it (yes all 5 main endings and joke endings) to understand why it's such an acclaimed game. I didn't find it. People always praise the "deep philosophy" and "amazing story" in it but there's barely anything at all.Like you said it reminds me of literature class when you read a book and there's a reference to some obscure philosopher who only you read about and you smirk thinking you're so intellectual and educated, when in truth it was just a throwaway mention that has no grander meaning.This same thinking clouds scenarioge readers. There can be some deeper themes going on but most of the time it's very simplified and most of the used concepts are regurgitated by every writer. It's ironic that every time a JOP scenarioge gets translated the small masses of EOPs say the very same thing "That's it? That's your kamige?" That doesn't mean those games are bad, but they're always hyped to the max and build up expectations that for most fall flat because it's only good. That's likely what happened to me with Nier Automata, me expecting some grand story with deep writing and characters when it just wasn't.Regarding VNs I have to agree with that anon who said you read them based on aesthetics and "oh god this girl is moe and I wanna ichacha" etc. For philosophy pick up nonfiction books or classical literature.In the end what really matters is enjoyment. Read moege, read scenarioge, read nukige.
>>36937028I mean, that's your fault for believing reddit or those youtube video essays.
>>36937028I thought Muramasa was going down well.
>>36937188muramasa had 10th+ place on vndb before the tl, now it's 8th place, definitely going downjust because there are a bunch of contrarians and redditors who are also the loudest doesn't change that 90% of people gave it 9-10
>>36937028Bro you're telling me you didnt cry during the credits of Nier Automata
of course visual novels have themes and they can be executed quite well i just always assumed that the >x changed my lifewas hyperbolic, did e-celebs back then really used to write reviews like that?
>>36937322Media can impact you for real, why not?There's that japanese kid that was gonna commit suicide but FF9 changed his perspective.
>>36937349>Media can impact you for real, why not?that's a fair pointit does vary depending on the individual and i failed to account for that, my bad
>>36937349FF9 is high literature
>>36937364FF9 presents good concepts and everything, but it's just a game, anyone else could say "that's it?" just as any of these other "kamige".
>>36937370>committed suicide 2 years later after reading itm-maybe i should push subahibi further back in my backlog...i guess there was a source for it and it wasn't nearly as old as i thought
>>36937370>https://vnreviews.blog/2017/08/31/vn-wonderful-everyday-discontinuous-existence/>It’s pretty insane how Sca-Di managed to adapt Tractatus Logico Philosophicus, one of the most complex works of modern philosophy, into a work of fiction with loads of porn, but as silly as it sounds, Subahibi is the real deal. It digests the ideas that would normally require special education to even begin to penetrate, and conveys them in a manner understandable to anyone with barely any experience with philosophy.How true is this
>>36937283Anon, that's not what I meant when I said 'going down well'. I meant I thought it was being received well.
>>36937322it never actually changed my life, but I can say for sure that scaji has changed my view on lifeI was just a blainlet consoomer back in the day that was reading/watching/playing content just for sake of itsubahibi was the first thing that has opened my eyes and made me realize that there is much more than just that and made me strive for the more quality stuff that would provoke me to actually think about what I'm reading rather than just consooming and gradually improved my tastes in the media overallso yes in a way it actually changed my life in many ways
>>36937438the hardships of being ESL...
>>36937390Look at the negatives in that same review.LOL
>>36937509Jesus. His words kind of carry a greater weight now.
>>36937509it would more likely cure your depression and suicidal thoughts instead because it basically makes you read through the suicide victim perspective to teach you that it's not exactly the right way to live happily so that review is pretty retarded
>>36937590A clinically depressed person would get the wrong message I guess?
>>36937602well i guess a person like that would kill himself already on the Zakuro chapter before getting the message
>>36937602>>36937611Whatever it is, I've already hoarded the most dumbed-down, non-thought-provoking, sickeningly cute moeges that exist, just to play in case I ever get that depressed, because I don't trust myself not to do dumb shit while feeling like everything around me is shit.
>>36937635just be careful to not kill yourself from boredom with all that
holy shit just found about that vn manager tool and it looks so useful to sort out all the hundreds of vns I have all over the place, why I never knew about itis there anything else like this that I never knew about?
>>36937735Good luck adding all 100 of them by hand.Or you can just use GTT.
>>36937874well i can at least add the ones I'm reading right now and then slowly adding morewhat is GTT?
>>36937735I just use a spreadsheet.
>>36938480you can't launch vns and count time from it though
>>36938614>count timeDo you really care about dumb shit like this?
>>36938718just curious about how long did it take me to finish some vns?don't really get what is dumb about it
>>36938754I have never cared about that.
>>36938718I’m insecure about my reading speed so I have to check if I’m at least above the average “Slow” gangs.>>36937895Gameplay Time Tracker
>>36938803>I’m insecure about my reading speed so I have to check if I’m at least above the average “Slow” gangs.stop caring about your reading speed, unironically
>>36938754>how long did it take me to finish some vns?Day you finished - day you started. Any other answer is wrong.
>>36938828Agreed. My reading speed is dogshit because my Japanese is bad. Doesn't bother me.
>>36938803this is actually a very detrimental thing to do, I used to do it myself back then but then I often found myself caring about reading speed more than about what I'm reading which caused me to be always distracted and not enjoying what I'm readingthese days if i read something i really like i prefer to read very slowly and rereading some lines multiple times (someones out load) and find myself enjoying things so much more with 5k/hour speed rather than speedreading for ??? reason
>>36938889>often found myself caring about reading speed more than about what I'm reading which caused me to be always distracted and not enjoying what I'm readingSame thing with me when I was a newfag when it came to reading japanese. Looking back on it, it was extremely retarded and autistic
>>36938614and you can use this for timehttps://flamebrain.com/download-watchme/
>finish route>don't want to start the next one>don't feel like continuing different game>don't want to start new game and dunno which>finally decide to trim the fat of my backlog to just the essential games I absolutely want to read/finish>fucking 197 games left in notepadyay and still don't know what to readtoo many choices sucksthis is why kinetic games are better
>>36939027starting to hate routes too after going back to a charage for the first time in a long time>there are four heroines, i only really like 2 of them>decide to save them for last since there's some true end bullshit that needs all four completed>go with the heroine i liked the least first>hated it>go with second heroine>no longer have any desire to readI'll just alternate with one of the girls that I like
>>36938614>launch vnsDo you really keep all your vns installed all the time? I don't. Waste of space to store the installer and the game. if you really wanted you could certainly paste in a link to the program and launch from the spreadsheet.>count timeThis is of limited utility if you minimize a vn to do other things. There are also various programs not specific to vns that can do this. Steam, gameplay time tracker, activitywatch, etc.
>>36938776Do not open.
I want to SEX cute anime girls
>>36937590>there's a lot of suffering haha but so what? Just live happily That doesn't actually work and never worked to convince anything suicidal that living is worth it
>>36939484Me too. Especially in the butt.
>>36939554sakura moyu is unironically good at this shit, except when you're too jaded already and nothing gets through your thicc skull
>>36937590Tbh subahibi unironically compelled me to kill myself. Yeah, sure, the message is something different but when you read it as a suicidal depressed fag whatever it wants to say doesn't matter in the face of what the fuck is going on 95% of the time on screen - aka pure misery Then I read moege and it gave me energy to keep going.
>>36939618>Then I read moege and it gave me energy to keep going.Too bad conjueror was incapable of enjoying moege
Man that Habaki vs Yatou fight I just finished reading in KKK might be one of the weirdest ones I've ever read. If you jack it to subversion, I guess you'll get a kick out of this. Basically all the protagonist think this is the final fight and exactly act like it on a narrative and meta level. There's a shitload of cliched "俺は負けない" lines, the fucking power of friendship and love, and all that typical stuff. The music is blaring heroic, happy sounding stuff as well. As a reader you obviously know this is all bullshit so the contrast is odd. To add some icing on it, there's actually an extended part with Yatou's own perspective. He's not some evil dude (clearly) but just wants to see if the protagonists have what it takes to stop 波旬. Basically he just LARPs as an evil antagonist the whole time and gives up his role after he gets defeated. It was just tonally really weird.
>>36939484Cute anime body are better
>>36939723really loved that fightEven Habaki saw past Yatou's shitty acting. But yeah, Habaki vs Yatou was probably one of my favourite fights in the series. There's really a ton of emotion attached to it when you've played Dies Irae - hell that goes for the entirety of the Yatsukahagi and a lot of the big moments in the game i.e Ryuumei and Momiji. Overall, I think KKK was a lot stronger in regards to emotional impact compared to Dies Irae, but that's also entirely contingent on you having played Dies Irae.
>>36940352Can't believe I fucked up the screenshot...
>>36940366I was wondering why it was backwards, yeah.
>>36937424Complete bullshit. The only thing he was correct about is that the Tractatus is one of the most complex works to really understand because it's less about regular philosophy and more about language, math and logical concepts so I'm confused how Subahibi really "digests the ideas." Most likely he never touched the actual book and read a vague summary.
>>36940479What if you're the one who misunderstood it? I trust Conjueror-sama more than some random JSL from /jp/.
>>36939048I always start with heroines I like because why suffer through a girl I'm not interested in first? Better put those in between good heroines or at the end. A good first route is a good first impression. In my last moege I went with the flow and the route I ended up in was a 5.5/10. Then started the heroine I actually wanted and it was a 9/10. The next heroine I didn't care about much but was also a 9/10 route. Then came a 8/10 route. So starting with the wrong route could've made someone drop the game.
>>36939723>俺は負けないIs there something more based you can say when fighting?
>>36937390>>committed suicide 2 years later after reading itThis is what garbage 'philosophy' like "LIVE HAPPILY BRO!" ultimately leads you to.
>>36937440>subahibi was the first thing that has opened my eyes
>>36940753Sounds like you're not living happily bro.
>>36936592>>36936635Wata-chan a cute.
>>36940834It's kind of incredible that in a game with 9 heroines, all of them are fantastic.
>>36933020Holy shit, okay yeah that would be a bit much
Oh no, i hated sakuuta so much back when i finished it, but now i'm looking at sakuuta screenshots and feel nostalgic for whatever reason, i want more of this shit now. D-do i have to read sakutoki trial now?
>>36940923no, read tsui no sora remake instead
>>36940774My philosophy is better and actually self-consistent, not relativistic 'mon-panache' tier nonsense. And I am pretty happy, more happy than the Subahibi player for sure.
>>36936635What is the MC based upon?
>>36940834>rori janai desukedoYou lie...
>>36940954Already read it on release, very good.
>>36940858>9 heroinesDamn, they add routes for all the sluts and even more new girls in the sequel? I was planning on reading it during next year's summer to better match the mood, but I might capitulate earlier unless I find something autumn/winter themed to keep me busy.
>>36940960Anon you are so based.
>>369410044 after stories + 3 slut routes + imouto route + Susuko DLC route (which is just as long as the actual routes).
>>36941030>susWoah, what did she mean by this?
>>36903483>What are you looking forward to?Is there a VN with non-promiscuous traditional female?
This sure feels like a nukige. Very little between the h-scenes.
>>36941205Just for 1/3 of it
>>36941254Huh, yeah it seems like there's a long gap between the 6th and 7th scenes, but then the 8th and 9th are right afterward. Weird pacing for people who can't sit around all day masturbating.
>>36941317Weird pacing, but h itself is p good, so i'm not complaining
>>36941205It's mirroring Harukuru's structure, lots of H in the prologue into real deal SF plot for the rest. But the H scenes in Fuyukuru are way better because yuri is the best
>>36941730>mirroringHarukuru pacing was even worse desu, 15 h scenes in prologue alone and more scenes in routes.Really glad fuyukuru is pretty much kinetic.
I can't recall a single VN with good pacing and flow
>>36942303Kikokugai and Phantom.
>>36941355The H really is great.
>>36942250Probably this desu>>36942303Muramasa, eustia, dead days.>>36942696
What are some good not well known mystery VNs?
>>36940977I'm going to teach Touka to climb stairs!
>>36942696And second half is even better
>>36942303i think axanael is unironically the best pacing vn I've readeven though it still going down closer to the end but constant changing of perspective and always something happening that keeps you intrigued to continue is for sure the key to hook you into the flowno idea why no one outside of shimokura ever done it, vn writers just suck in general I guess
>>36942972Shimokura fucked up sumaga pacing, bro.I can't even finish common route in it, but i love axanael
>>36943044>sumagamore than a million characters of his retarded humor? sounds like a torture...he's still rather good when it comes to the more serious stuff, tokyo necro pacing was also decent if only routes weren't so similar to each other, had to do few months breaks between them so I could at least forget some stuff
I don't usually go for loli, but I'm making an exception for Wata-chan-senpai. Erm, I mean, she's obvious not one, yeah...
>check sadpanda randomly>there's now Akiko-san to Issho 27Nobody loves Kanon more than this guy. He's been making this series for like 14 years now I think.
>>36945363I hope his soul goes to anime heaven and he gets together with her once he's done with the land of the living, because that's some dedication.
>>36945290Her route is the worst
>>36945290Her complex about being small is what makes her cute, not the fact that she's small by itself. So I will boldly claim I'm not a lolicon in court.
>>36940366very meta-heavy and very cool line
>>36939723I got chills when Einsatz started playing. Absolute chuunikino
Do I have any chances to play tsukihime remake on my old laptop with intel graphic without it exploding?
>>36946551I wouldn't get my hopes up. It was unplayable on my x260
>>36946551>>36946589Buy a switch like Nasu commands you to.
>>36940977God damn that t-shirt looks cool as hell.
>>36946594I already read it on my desktop
>>36946594is it emulator so much heavy or just tsukihime itself has shit optimization?
>>36946629Nah the emulator is just GPU bound so you only need a not trash GPU with decent GPU drivers. If you're on a 10-year-old laptop, it probably isn't going to work well but it should be a breeze on any reasonably decent system.
>>36946649fuck so this means i have to get a PC now and it's impossible to buy a graphic card these days
>>36946720Or you could just buy a console.
>>36946720If you ONLY want to emulate, you can just get an APU. You'll get mediocre performance on games designed for PC, but you'll be able to get full speed on basically any current emulator.
Just found out they made a Nukitashi manga.
>>36947476Yes and it's eating away at mameojitan's precious time that he could be using to draw actual porn.
>>36947541As long as they are having fun with it, it's fine.
>>36937390don't worry unless you're a trannyslator as well
>>36945570Rei's route (featuring loli side character) is great though?
>>36947950Cute family out for a walk with their daughter.
who is the best protagonist in charage and why is it kaito for akatsuki no goeiseriously it's been so long since i've actually liked the protagonist
>>36947950Family fun time!
>>36948344All the oretsuba protags are pretty cool in their own way.>>36942701Eustia goes to shit right after the prologue.
What did she mean by this?
>>36950336Oh, she meant アブラハダブラ.It's a bit hard to understand, forgive the author, sometimes his chuuni levels are too high for us mere mortals.
>>36950336She's very old (this is a good thing), so her spells may seem old fashioned and cliched.
>>36950336Apparently it means 死に雷の洗礼を. Good thing I save the whole script of games I read since I'm autistic and like to ctrl-f and go back and review foreshadowing.
>>36950336>>36950500>Abrahadabra is a word that first publicly appeared in The Book of the Law (1904), the central sacred text of Thelema. Its author, Aleister Crowley, described it as "the Word of the Aeon, which signifieth The Great Work accomplished." This is in reference to his belief that the writing of Liber Legis (another name for "The Book of the Law") heralded a new Aeon for mankind that was ruled by the god Ra-Hoor-Khuit (a form of Horus). Abrahadabra is, therefore, the "magical formula" of this new age. It is not to be confused with the Word of the Law of the Aeon, which is Thelema, meaning "Will". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahadabrawtf I didn't know any of this
>>36950511Remember the faces of the people that ever laughed at you for playing anime slideshows!They may be married and successful now, but you know this trivia bit that they don't. What a bunch of suckers!
>>36950511>he doesn't read the most autistic series about thelema
>>36950544I mildly enjoyed the anime seasons (minus season 3; what the fuck), but I figure Index is kind of the epitome of what everyone complains about when it comes to LNs.
>>36950608The anime sucks and is a bad adaption. The LN is great.
>>36950511Haganeya seems to be well read with stuff like this and all the Lovecraft references. And I assume Dogura Q would have borrowed a lot from Dogura Magura if it had ever been released
>>36950511Even if you don't notice Liber Legis and Abrahadabra is from thelema, surely you can notice Black Lodge's law "汝の欲するところを行え" is taken straight from the book of law.
>>36950694I'm a pleb that doesn't know any of this shit at all. All I've ever did, in relation to this kind of occult literature/writings, was read most of Lovecraft's stories.
>>36950708>I took the first baby stepsThat's fine, we all had to start somewhere too.
>>36950708Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
>>36950651Do you guys enjoy the constant frodos like "why don't they just use a gun on Touman?"
>>36950681>Dogura Q would have borrowed a lot from Dogura MaguraI want to play this so bad.
>>36950787Nobody enjoys that question, because it's just stupid and shows someone has never read the series. Plenty of fun speculation about what occult theories and such will be next.
>>36950833Me too. I'm still holding out hope that it will be released someday
>>36950500what are you using to save the script and being able to search in it?i tried with textcucker but it started to lag after 200k chars already
>>36950930Not him, but GARbro can be used to extract game scripts too.
>>36950930Everything I use is custom. The game uses C++ style std::strings which have a small string optimization. Textractor can't handle these strings, so even if you hooked the same place you would miss the occasional short line.
>>36950930>>36950961I use an html page with a modified version of "clipboard inserter" (I don't actually use the clipboard because it's slow and inconvenient). The html page has a script to do some basic conversions to get the ruby text working.
>>36950978can you give the link for the page?i was using the anacreon texthooker page but it starts to lag after some amount of characters so have to clean up it all the time
>>36950994No, sorry. There's not really anything special about my html page. It's not full of bloated crap though. Just the ordinary blank html page with jquery removed and a script added. The not-clipboard inserter addon is special but it's unsigned and has a native host and needs a special hook to use, so it's very impractical to share all three parts and teach someone how to use them.
>>36950930Oh, we are talking about our setup?I have a bash script that copies the contents of the clipboard to a local file each time it seems a change, then display the result using a simple html python server and a simplified custom load function to make it lightweight as it can be.That way, I can use your favorite browser extension to check for kanji I'm not familiar with on the fly, and since it uses the clipboard, it can be used in a lot more stuff than just text hookers.It wouldn't be too difficult to make it log what it is receiving either.
>>36951043The clipboard is not fast and lightweight.Your wording "each time it seems a change" implies you are polling the clipboard and then comparing its content to the last content. This is slower and can miss updates compared to setting a clipboard watcher or notification based system. Clipboard can't catch lines fast enough.
>>36951234That's right, the clipboard isn't a very good solution for extracting a game's script.But I don't need some amazing speed, clipnotify is enough for my needs because I don't actually need that much speed.And in nukitashi's case, I can just directly extract the actual internal game script and use regex to clean it up if I ever needed to.
>>36949190fuck off dinuzz
Me?I made a scuffed fullscreen overlay setup that is hidden by default. I just hover it if I want to look something up and then it automatically goes away with the next line.
Am I the only one in this thread who isn't a fucking programmer? I feel so stupid reading all these posts
>>36951975I have no idea what anyone's talking about. I'm just here for the cute girls and the way I play eroge is by clicking to advance the text.
>>36951975do you at least understand japanese? if so then be happy knowing none of those faggots do. if not then i'm sorry, you're next level dumb
>>36951975Autism comorbidity, in all likelihood. Learning programming languages has some similarities to learning human languages.
>>36951975I don't bother with any of that dictionary autism shit, but I do program for a living.
I'm trying to get into programming, but i just use already existing tools, no reason to invent something on my own for texthooking/lookups. Would be great to learn c++ and fix chiitrans tho.
How "difficult" is Omega no Shikai? It seems like one of those games that's nearly impossible to translate but that might not be so bad in terms of reading. I would like to hear some thoughts if people here have played it.
Pin-point games are a huge guilty pleasure of mine. Every now and then I download one of them, jerk off three times in a row and then uninstall it out of shame. They're so degenerate it feels like my soul is being judged after I finish them.
>>36952015This.>why do you want to solve chess>did you lose a game of strip chess and get raped or something?> nah, for the lulz>>36952095The only reason I write my on hooking software is because the existing stuff sucks. Existing software can't perfectly grab everything with furigana intact even when skipping
>>36952225I don't feel any of that "self-judgement" thing, but I agree they are a great way of busting wild nuts in rapid succession.
>>36952247To be fair, each VN engine can have its own system. I run into this sometimes when using Textractor to copy lines to the clipboard, so my stupid, bad Japanese idiot brain can look up the kanji that I still don't know. Recently, I read Nukitashi, and it implemented the furigana with an escape code, something like \tふりがな\r in the output. In other VNs, I don't see it at all in the hooked text. I can't really blame a general purpose text hooker for not knowing every single weird-ass way to print furigana.
>>36952247True, i guess. Personally i want to make a python script to fill nazeka name dictionary from vndb character page as my first python """"project"""". Maybe this way i can get into coding and pick up other languages later.Also it would be great to make built-in texthooker for unity eroge by fixing dll, but gotta learn c# for this.
>>36952320I didn't fully go into all the problems with textractor, but I'm not referring to the furigana as a textractor problem specifically. Lack of support for std::string (mentioned above). Poor interface, poor performance, bad plugin interface and scriptability.There are a lot of times that I make a hook that simply isn't possible to write with textractor. Textractor's nukitashi hook is poor because it's a read code. I have a better hook that is mostly compatible with textractor, but it has different threads for the names, and different threads for when the text goes bold, load screen, etc.
>>36952320>>36952383With nukitashi specifically, textractor will hook into some windows api that causes the loading screen to lag. You can remove this hook, but there's no way to black list it. You've got to manually remove it every time you start the game.
>>36952383Isn't there new texhooker? https://github.com/0xDC00/agent
>that second Sakuya H scene in KKKJesus christ my dick. I didn't realize I wanted 大和撫子 imouto so much.