>>34581937it might be funny to stack all the bullet erasers just to see if you can render all patterns useless but honestly tenshi's card is just one and can negate a lot on its own
I can't tell if UFO card is a life saver or useless piece of shit.
>>34578028Yeah, Sanae is powerful. I got my 1cc on the first try with her. What the hell.
>>34582736Yuyuko's card is more of a life saver.
tfw getting filtered by stage 4 boss
why the fuck is this game kicking my ass on normal, I 1cc'd the first 3 windows games on lunatic multiple times a couple days ago
>>34583471specifying that i'm referring to UM
>>34583471Are you still using the default starting card?The game gets really easy after you unlock some good cards to start with.
Does anybody have a list of what the cards do yet?I remember there was a list for the trial cards, but I forgot what most of them did.
>>34582864Sanae got nerfed really heavily from the demo. She's really only good for bombspam gimmick strats now.
Managed to 1cc on lunatic with Reimu on the release day, it was surprisingly nice. I got really lucky getting these cards too;also I can't really compare it right now but I think her shot type got a little stronger? I had an easier time in the early stages now compared to the trial version.
I got a red ricocheting knife card very separate from Sakuya's normal equipment card for 1ccing with her, but I'm not getting the same kind of cards for the other characters. Is there some kind of condition for these?
>>34583534Can't read moon so I dont know what most of the cards do and too scared by the time I'm halfway through the game to pick anything but life pieces, but at the start I pick the lower PoC and the tambourine which I've found is pretty handy for survival.
>>34583804Reimu and Sakuya were buffed, Marisa and Sanae were nerfed (compared to the demo).
Dumping new card effects, mostly shamelessly stolen from some Discord tranny.>Active Cards:Remi's (Flan's?) Vampire Fangs: Simple melee damage after a short charge period.Miko's Aura: Surrounds you with lasers that erase some bullets and deal a little damage.Okuu's Sun: Big, BIG dick damage expanding in an area around you, which eventually engulfs the entire screen. Lasts long enough to destroy a spellcard and the non-spell after it to boot, but has a ludicrous cooldown (roughly the entirety of stage 5 including the boss).Raiko's Drum: Erases bullets in a small radius around you. Len'en flash bomb shit.Sumireko's Tarot Cards: A barrier placed where you use it for a few seconds. Similar to the drum but larger, lasts longer, and can't stop lasers.Tsukasa's Soul Jar: Consumes 1.00 power to use a bomb, MoF/SA style.Megumu's Rice: Adds 1.00 power, or a bomb if you're at 4.00 power. Surprisingly reasonable cooldown.Lily White: Summons Lily as an enemy. Lily White appears twice, and then Lily Black, before the cycle repeats. Lily White drops a bomb piece, and Lily Black drops a life piece. Both Lilys have more HP and shoot more bullets the more you summon them.>Passive Cards:Suwako's Frog: Your bullets explode on impact, like Sanae's frog bullets.Aya's Shoes: Aya's SA effect.Keiki/Mayumi's Haniwa: Your options can erase shots. Somewhat inconsistent.Kaguya's Box: After every boss phase, get an extra bomb piece.Mamizou's Tanuki: Adds 1.00 power immediately. Prevents power loss below 3.00.Yuyuko's Ghost: Erases grazed bullets.Komachi's Coins: Instead of a life, lose 200 cash on death (if available).Narumi's Jizo: Adds an extra life immediately, and one life piece after each stage.Patchy's Spell Circle: Adds an extra bomb immediately, and one bomb piece after each stage.Momoyo's Centipede: Grows stronger the longer you go without dying or using bombs.Tenkyuu's Rainbow Card: Cannot be chosen at the start. Removes all of your cards, but at the next shop you receive all non-default cards for free. Taking this card on stage 5 and 1ccing the run will unlock the ability to start with 3 cards.
List of cards I've gotten and what they do as far as I understand>Life card, Spell card, Life fragment, Spell fragmentobvious>Nazrin's card (her pendant)Gives you a small boost in money>Ringo's card (bunny with P)Boosts your P level>Mokou's card (phoenix tail)Gives you three lives>Reimu's cards (yin yang)Gives you option with Reimu's focused or unfocused shot (depends on color for all the PCs which one)>Marisa's cards (mini-hakkero)Gives you option with Marisa's shots>Sakuyas cards (knives)Gives you option with Sakuya's shots>Sanae's card (frog or snake with bag)Gives you option with Sanae's shots>Youmu's card (phantom)Gives you Youmu's phantom as an option with her shot (behaves like it does in previous game)>Alice's card (Shanghai doll)Shanghai will appear on stage, pick a target and focus attack on it (similar to Ran in IN, except you don't need to focus)>Cirno's card (Cirno)Gives you an option that just shoots randomly>Nue's card (UFO)A UFO revolves a ways around you, erasing bullets it touches>Misumaru's card (magatama)Two magatama are to the left and right of you a ways, which erase bullets that touch them>Nitori's card (wallet with kappa inside)Increases the collection radius>Kanako's card (sake, rope)Lowers the auto-collect line>Eirin's card (potion)Allows you to absorb hits at the expense of two spell cards (or one if only one remaining)>Tewi's card (rabbit's foot)Increases window for death bombing>Saki's card (wolf)Increases the power of your basic shot>Byakuren's card (glowy scroll thing)Increases the power of your bomb>Koishi's card (it is your friend, it helps you relax)Allows you to collide with enemies without being hit, also reduces pow loss on death>Suwako's card (red frog in hat)Gives an explosive effect to your basic shot>Aya's card (Ayayayaya)Increases speed when unfocused and not shooting>Keiki's (?) card (clay idol)Makes it so your options can erase shots when they are glowing, each has to recharge after erasing>Kaguya's card (box)Gives you spell card in certain circumstances (like dying)>Mamizou's card (tanuki)I dunno, I couldn't figure out what it did>Yuyuko's card (ghosts)Erases nearby bullets sometimes>Yoshiko's card (hand in miasma)Increases money received from fairies>Eiki's card (hand dropping coins)Lets you negate a death in exchange for 200 moneys>Narumi's card (jizo statue)Adds an extra life, get life pieces on clearing stages>Patchouli's card (magic circle)Lets you create a circle that negates bullets for a little bit>Mike's card (lucky cat)Increases available cards to buy>Takane's card (closed wallet)Decreases card prices>Sannyo's card (dragon pipe)Gives you a life piece for every captured spell card>Shinmyoumaru's card (magic mallet)Swings mallet in front of you, erases bullets, turns them into money>Tenshi's card (keystone)Puts a keystone in front of you that negates a lot of bullets>Clownpiece's card (moon)Throws moon forward, erases bullets>Miko's card (the crown prince)Does damage on the whole field, erases some bullets>Remilia's card (finger on fanged mouth)Thrusts a knife forward that erases bullets. Probably has other effects but I couldn't tell nor did I play around>Lily White's card (Lily White)Summons Lily White to the field to fight you (sometimes Lily Black). Gives spell piece if defeated (life piece if Lily Black).>Raiko's card (drum)When used, beats the drum and erases bullets close to you>Sumireko's card (three cards)Repels bullets? It's what it sas>Tsukasa's card (flame in jar)Lets you bomb in exchange for 1.00 power.anon above me is lame and is stealing, I learned these myself
>>34584901Wait, sorry, I messed patchy's up. It does the same thing as Narumi's except with bombs
>>34583810Don't you get these cards when you buy the blue ones with them?
>>34584901>Mamizou's card (tanuki)>I dunno, I couldn't figure out what it did+1.00 power, also power can't drop below 3.00 (useless you buy cards with it)
>>34585084>uselesslol, I mean unless.
>>34583863That's good to know, Sayuka's shot type was truly abysmal. Marisa's looked fine though.
>>34583707>>34583863Not him but that explains a lot. I remember in the demo I struggled as Reimu but breezed through as Sanae. For the full game, it was the other way around and I couldn't figure out why.Sakuya was an absolute joke in the demo, I'm curious to see how good she is now.
>>34585656sakuya is better now
>>34586102not by a lot
Any links still up?
this is honestly the best touhou since DDCanyone that disagree is objectively wrong and I wanna hear why you think otherwiseaside from too many streaming paterns and some visibility issues I really have no grips with this one and the roguelite element is pretty much what touhou needed to feel fresh
>>34585656Sakuya's so good that if you focus her knives, bosses melt down nearly instantly. ZUN did a great job of adding two more focused shot modes to PCB SakuyaB, I really like how she plays now.Also, if Sanae really got nerfed, I don't think it was by much because she still murders everything.
Does the extra stage have two endings? I just realized the chart I edited yesterday has two endings for extra stage. I think I made a mistake unless Extra has two endings
>>34588060Yeah, ZUN did a great job with the cards system. It's definitely better than 16 and 17 with their shitty gimmicks. I'm glad that you aren't forced to have an active card and money pickups just replace point items instead of filling the screen with extra waves of shiny garbage.Too bad stage 4&6 newhus are ugleh, atmosphere is meh and music peaks somewhere around middle stages.
Why is everyone except Green Reimu so fucking bad?
This game is so much fun!ZUN improved the engine significantly for this game, controller players can now use trigger buttons without resorting to joytokey and the game just feels more polished than usual anywaysThe card system is incredibly fun, I spent around 9 hours with the game when it came out and it was very thrilling finding out what card does what with friends, as well as unlocking them all. (I couldn't pay the demo before this, so I was completely blind).I only got the normal 1ccs and an ex clear, but I haven't had this much much fun with a main game for a while!Last but not least, the patterns are very fun, a significant step up from 16 and 17 on that, doing challenge runs is gonna be exciting!!
>>34588189Extra has just the one.
>>34589056My experience has been the same, except for the friends part.
>>34589208Alright. Hopefully this will be the last time I have to edit this image until a new game releases
Why is it that there are giga autists like SOC that LNN all the windows games with every shot type but they never give enough of a shit to LNN the PC98 games?
>>34590082I think the Japanese generally don't pirate or emulate, which is why they can't even play PC98.
>>34590195>the Japanese generally don't pirate or emulateThat's a shame. I'm sure if those players ever got their hands on all the PC98 games, they could claim the title of LNNing ever single official Touhou game
Is there a practice patch yet?
>>34588951They aren't though. Sakuya plays like she should (hard to use but big damage and excellent range) and the other two play perfectly fine. Honestly, I think this is the first game in a long time where everyone feels good to use.
>>34583471Don't worry, anon. I'm a relatively new player who only recently started trying and succeeding in getting 1ccs, but I'm probably having a ton more trouble than you. I only got to stage 6 in one of my 1cc attempts out of a few, still died though. We can make it through the pain and suffering together.
For all you new players trying to get through Kouryuudou by picking a life card every stage, you should really try to unlock some good non-item cards and use those instead. Many of them can save you from more that one miss over the course of a stage, meaning them have more utility than a simple 1-up. Raiko and Sumireko are good as bomb stand-ins; Patche and Sannyo give you potentially lots of resources; Eirin and Eiki help prevent dumb misses.I'd also recommend always starting with Saki because it makes almost every single part easier.On another note, that calculation from last thread about how many routes there are is clearly not quite right, and a fair bit of complexity has been introduced by the blank card, but I'll get around to that at some point.
>>34591382>On another note, that calculation from last thread about how many routes there are is clearly not quite rightWhat? There's only 2 routes; beat Chimata without Chimata's card (normal end) or with it (another end).
>>34585656>I'm curious to see how good she is now.Use Saki's card to melt through things at full power. The only thing worrysome are the later stages, and some like stage 5 that end up being more of a survival stage since she doesn't have a homing shot.
>>34591462See >>34510896Just for the fun of it, if you wanted to treat every single card choice as a different "route", the numbers grow explosively. The correct answer will probably still be in the hundreds of trillions or thereabouts, but it needs some tweaking.
Was the alice doll nerfed? I swear people were saying it was good during the demo but I've been using it and noticed it's damage output is so low it's barely even worth having
>>34591855I'm not sure. I haven't tried it yet.
How do you unlock new cards to equip at the beginning? Any ETA on a translation patch? I know it just came out but I don’t know if any translators are mentioning progress updates anywhere, or if there’s a pastebin or something I can reference. It’d be nice to know what the endings say if I can get them.
>>34591855seems good enough to me. the damage output may be lower than something like Saki's wolf but it is constant, which is great for Marisa and Sakuya who lack homing shotsReimu's unfocused or Sanae's focused may be even better cards but I didn't check them out yet
>>34592537>How do you unlock new cards to equip at the beginning?You buy them. Unless you mean card slots, in the demo you had to clear the game as each character once.
>>34575313How did you make that rainbow looking box anon? Asking for a friend
>>34592769>Soulless wayOpen it in photoshop.Click on the square with wand tool.Fill it with rainbow gradient.>Way of the soulOpen it in mspaint.Draw gradient with pencil tool pixel by pixel.
>>34592987>The autistHave a rainbow layer the size of UM in the background. Save the file as a project, remove boxes as you 1cc and export a PNG
>>34592987Thank you for responding anon, but I figured how to do it. Sorry, I took yours and resized it in psI was a little bit hasty with that question, I should have tried before asking, but I really liked your idea! I have been keeping up this multicolored chart thing with the introduction of HSiFS since that game modified the engine, and the introduction of subshots.UM is the latest version of the current engine but stills follows the sub shot theme with the cards, and since rainbows are relevant this is what fits the most imo.
This Extra is retardedly difficult. The stage portion feels about twice as long as usual, and is full of bullshit that hoses particular shot types and isn't made any easier when you know it's coming. Disappointing compared to the stage design of the main game.
the dream team
>>34593248I personally love the boss but god I agree the stage portion is way too long, and difficult. I actually think the stage alone is harder than the boss herself. And it just goes on and on and on forever, I really wish the games had a built in boss rush mode so I could just fight the boss
Got my first normal 1cc and it's mof. bombed a fuck ton because i was playing extra safe but i did it, started playing touhou back in January to get the story but i forgot about the story and started playing for the bullet hell lol.people out there playing UM while i'm playing the older titles kek
>>34593597I'm only playing older titles because all the newer titles have a fucked framerate on my shitty ass laptop
>>34593597Oh, also, congrats on your first 1CC!
>>34593683Even on a decent computer, Yachie's first spell freezes for a second upon capture.
>>34593758No anon, you don't understand how bad I have it. I was playing TD on Hard earlier and when I got to that wave of fairies right after midboss Seiga, the frame rate dropped to 48FPS and it stayed like that for at least 3 seconds. I tried playing UM and the frame rate can't even get above 55FPS. This laptop sucks cock
>>34593683>>34593758>>34593889This reminds me, has anyone noticed towards the end of the extra stage (I think it was extra, I forgot, it might have been stage 6 or something) there's a bunch of bullets that are stationary and that (for me at least) drop the frame rate a bunch when the boss appears and the bullets all despawn?
>>34593683My laptop isn't the greatest and i'm ALMOST lagging (lunatic will probably lag it but i won't get there anytime soon haha)but i'm not playing the newer titles because of visibility issues. like i played HSiFS a couple of times and the bullet blending in makes it unplayable, i saw a video of WBaWC and stage 3 on UM and they both look kind of uhhh.>>34593712thx
>>34593977That's the only part of the game that consistently lags for me. My PC's not that good though so I wonder if it's the same even on a strong PC.
>>34593465do you know how long you have to stack the centipede card before it outperforms the wolf card?
How hard is 1cc'ing your second game supposed to be? I've beaten eosd on normal with all shot types, but am still quite a bit away from beating either in or pcb even though I've been playing them for quite a while at this point.
>>34594418no idea but I honestly feel like even weaker followers like Reimu's Yin-Yang Orb Card outpace Saki's so it just isn't worth itthough maybe that's centipede buffing the familiars and not basic shot making it look that way
>>34594638You started with a somewhat unusual game, so you'll have to get used to the other games and what sort of dodging they expect of you. If 7 is giving you trouble, focus on streaming and misdirection.
>>34595118>EoSD>unusual game to start with
>>34595355Who are you quoting?
>>34595407the darkest depths of your asshole
>>34595407>>34595469>>34595503Accurate depiction of two social rejects trying to engage in a conversation. Alright enough of you beta male cucks. I'm going to a real board like /vt/. I'm not returning so don't bother responding. It will go unread.
>>34595558>twothree*Just to correct your stupidity a little at least.
Is it just me or is UM a lot more focused on reading patterns over straight micro dodging than the last few games were? I feel like I'm playing one of the older Windows games at times and I love it
shit run with bomb spamming and embarrassing deaths, but this is the quickest i've ever 1cced a touhou game so that's nice atleast.let's hope the translation comes out soon
>>34595662I see that phoenix of shame anon.
My Japanese is too shitty to read the in-game dialogue, though just good enough to decipher the card descriptions, so I've been playing to unlock everything while skipping any story stuff until the full translation is out. But even without knowing anything about who the final boss is or why the heroines are fighting her, the fight itself comes across as extremely flavorful. All her cards have a clear theme of "focal points", those being either you, or her, or both. And I found them more interesting than Okina's, which were a bit on the nose for her theme, more understandable without specialist knowledge than Miko's, and less frustrating than Shinmyoumaru's. Also, this might just be me, but I found the fight very difficult to sight-read, which fits nicely with the game's overall theme of 'you don't do it on the first try'.So very cool final boss, some neat stuff in stages 4 and 5, and a particularly cool stage 4 boss as well. I like it. As expected of the master, Mr Oota.
Is there a trick to Sannyu’s non-spell attacks or are they just bullshit micrododging?
>>34582000is there any reson not to play reimu only in this game?>more damage than marisa>almost as fast as her>homing shot>smaller hit boxwtf? marisa fucking sucks and sanae was nerfed to oblivion. sakuya is a meme shot not even worth talking about
>>34596036From my experience her first one doesn't have much of a trick, but for the second and third ones staying near the bottom of the screen and staying between the parts that "bulge out" (like between the two bottom points of the letter "W", if you pardon my odd explanation) make them easy for me.
>>34596860>smaller hit boxDoes Reimu still have that? I thought ZUN nerfed her hitbox
>>34596860>more damage than marisaActually the least damage out of all the shots by far>almost as fast as herNo>smaller hit boxNo
>>34596860>sanae was nerfed to oblivionNot at all.>sakuya is a meme shot not even worth talking aboutNot at fucking all.
>>34596036Autistically speaking, code-wise it definitely it just generates the same section a few times and rotates each of them. Hence the "first" projectile from each section is drawn on top of all others. So there have to be some relatively safe spots at certain angle and distance from each of those. If I was going for lunatic clear I'd record the non-spells and replay a few times in slowmo to find the safe spots but as far as normal and hard go, these are pretty manageable.
How does it stack compared to the rest of the main games?>music>difficulty
Is there a tier list for the Equipment Cards yet?I wanna know how good Saki's card REALLY is.
>>34597256a nice (not so little) damage boost/10
>>34593065>>34593030This is not a bad idea either but I'm not sure, it could be a problem for challenge runs since I pick either white or black letters depending on background of each game
Finally cleared all the endings. Time to clear Extra mode and maybe I'll clear hard mode since everything is still fresh in my mind.>>34596860I know you love Reimu, but pretty much everything you've said is untrue (at least on normal). I actually think Sakuya is the 1st or 2nd best shot in the game, if you master her quirky shot type.>>34597155>musicNot very fond of most of it desu. Only themes I really enjoy are the Stage 1 boss, Stage 3 boss, Stage 4, and EX stage themes. Just feels like a complete step back from WBaWC which had like 2 (Stage 1 and Stage 2) songs from that game I didn't like.>difficultyOnce you figure out what cards work out for you, I think the game is very easy. Raiko drum is sleeper OP and you can cheese out 1CCs by replacing skill with lives/bombs. I can't say how difficult the game is without cards.
my first ever normal mode 1cc, IN 6A. i'm very pleased with myself
>>34597357Don't care for stage 5's theme? It's probably my favourite.The way the sun goes behind the mountain, night falls, the ryuuju light up the mountain with rainbow colours, and the fairies start shooting star projectiles in sync with the song going absolutely nuts is one of the coolest parts of the game. I think in general UM has some of the strongest stage themes in the series.
>>34597771thank you anon, i hope to 1cc stage 6B sometime in the near future
>>34597155Music is assDifficulty is low tier with cards, high tier without cards but still not the worst.
>>34597658Congrats anon, IN great choice!
>>34597962i'm especially grateful for it's spell practice mode, made me a lot better at Marisa
Has anyone beaten Extra with Sakuya? She seems so bad I'm really struggling with this despite not really struggling to beat it with Sanae or Reimu
>>34598353Here's how to use Sakuya:1. If there are lots of enemies on screen, hold down before focusing.2. If there's a boss on screen, hold up before focusing.Congratulations, everything now dies in 1 second.
>>34598387I refuse to believe you've beaten extra with Sakuya if that is the only advice you have. That is not helpful, obviously I'm already doing that and she's still garbage
>>34598353just use >>34593465 this combination and you should be able to breeze through far enough until bombs can carry you the rest of the way
>>34598430Learn to aim, use Saki and other cards. You're relying on homing shots. If you're struggling with Sakuya because of the lack of homing, then Marisa won't be much better because she's literally just a forwards shot.
>>34593465For me, it's the dagger
>>34598476Post spell practise replay of you capturing extra spellcard 11 as Sakuya"Learn to aim" isn't going to do shit, you cannot aim here you have to constantly move left to right
>>34597658IN, normal, border team, on the verge of death. Just like my own first 1CC. Kind of nostalgic to look at
>1cc'd hard on my first attemptThis game spoils you so much with survival options when you can start with three cards
>>34598552Nevermind I figured out how to capture this spell at least, you have to start at the centre bottom when the spell aims at you and then charge upwards and move just to the side so that the bullets don't spawn on you, then loop around safely and go left to right like usual. The initial charge does a lot of damage making it actually reasonable to kill it with just the shots you get off in between wavesI did it with Marisa too and it's way easier with her (although harder than Reimu or Sanae)Sakuya just sucks
where can I get the newest clear chart?
>>34598552>>34598894not them but I decided to do it once with every character because I wanted to practice that bullshit spellcardended up giving up on Marisa, would rather capture with Sakuya 100 times over than do it once with Marisa
All right, with UFO done that's a Normal 1CC on every mainline Windows game! Gonna try tackling the extra stages now (while getting the other UM endings on the side), thinking either IN or MoF for the first one.
>>34599077Huh I got it in 22 attempts as Marisa but took 83 with SakuyaAlso I just managed the Sakuya Extra clear, there's definitely a learning curve with her but I still think she's way worse than Reimu and Sanae even once you get the hang of her.It's kind of obvious in retrospect but a helpful tip is to aim your knives to the side whenever you're doing a pattern where you want to dodge to the side (doesn't help in Dragon Eater since you need to unfocused move but for others it's super helpful)I guess I'll see how hard Marisa isAlso I was using Yuyuko's card and it actually seems super helpful, it's good for the second spell as well as the survival as well as just in general it can randomly save you sometimes if you're lucky
>>34599106Best of luck, anon. Mokou was my first extra clear so I concur it's a good starting point
>>34599007i'm a dumbass thanks anon
>Remilia's Fang + Byakuren's Sutra This is more broken than anything the shop glitch in the demo could produce. It just deletes the bosses before they can even start their spellcards, recharges in seconds.
What is it with ZUN and adding excessive multiple color rainbows to his games now? The entire game hurts my eyes just looking at it. He's been doing this ever since HSiFS and it literally serves no purpose. Please ZUN stop with this!!
>>34600143Neither 16.5 nor 17 were rainbow-themed. Doompost elsewhere.
>>34600143If anything, it's much easier to tell the bullets apart from the background in this have than in UFO, TD, HSiFS and WBaWC.
Spell practice is back, thank fuck.Man this game does start getting way easier once you have a decent selection from the start and can begin with two cards. No 1cc yet but I've noticed a huge difference. Weird to have this almost RPG like sense of progress in a touhou. Jizo statue is gonna be my MVP, I can tell.
is there already a language patch now?just wanna know
So every character has two equipment cards according to this https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Unconnected_Marketeers/Ability_Cards#cite_ref-25and so far I've only unlocked the second ones for each character. Are the first ones gotten after 1ccing? Getting the second ending? Something else?>>34600974Right now we'll just have to rely on this >>34593046 far as I know.
>>34601066The first cards can be randomly found in shops, the second ones are unlocked upon beating the game.
How do I git gud with arcade stick?
>>34601147You play the game, a lot.
I can get through Koishi's pink hearts by only moving side to side and blue hearts by only moving up and down which seems to work well enough but I can't clear them consistently, should I keep doing it and refine my dodging or is that just a shit strategy to begin with?I'm sorry if this thread is just for 18
So is the idea of Sakuya being good in this game a psy-op or something?
Is Mike wearing a skirt or shorts
Is this really the strongest thread /jp/ can make when a new game comes out... the vtubers are laughing at us bros....
>>34602452Judging by pattern inside of them, I'd guess that's shorts.
>>34596036I was wondering that too. On normal the bullets create a pattern with very obvious gaps, while on hard it just looks like micrododging. I want to believe there's some logic to open a gap on harder difficulties too. Maybe it's somewhat aimed at you?
>>34605026what does this mean?>>34601066aw man still no language patch
So what's the best bullet-cancelling active card?
>>34598894>>34599077Which one is "card 11"? I capped all of the EX spellcards in spell practice with Marisa; not reliably to the point where I'll attempt it an actual runs, but it only took like 10 attempts to get a first cap of the more difficult cards.Some of them are much easier in spell practice than in actual runs, though, since the wind-up animation let's you misdirect the first wave [useful for the 2nd card, the card with explosions, and the card where a ton of bullets fan out and converge to your location (the 11th?)].I really liked the EX stage this time around. It's not too difficult (probably one of the easier EX stages), but it's good and flavorful dodging. I'm a big fan of the EX survival card, since the random aimed butterflies makes it feel like you have some kind of agency, and you're not just waiting for the timer while following a route. It just feels satisfying to clear out a lot of bullets.
>>34605555The moon is really good. Miko's card is pure garbage.
>>34605555Raiko's drum, bar none. the area is tiny but so is the cooldown, it completely breaks a lot of patterns
>>34601886I think both spells can be done either way, I did both using only (or mostly?) horizontal movement, if I recall correctly. It's almost a steady rhythm, until the slight RNG causes a gap to not appear where/when it should, and you have to react to this. It took me a long time to get somewhat consistent.I think it helps to only (mostly?) move in one direction, since it makes it easier to intuitively know where your character is, and gives you one less thing to worry about. Maybe adjust a bit up and down (or left-right) while waiting for gaps to appear? It's an "I love not thinking" spell, since thinking is too slow, so you gotta train your brain to develop intuition. Grind it out with thprac, if you want your brain to pick it up quicker. I don't even know exactly how I do it, I just "do".
>>34605555>>34606260Seconding Raiko. Or maybe Sumireko, which is fairly similar. Both instantly clear an area around you: Sumireko leaves a lingering barrier but has a longer cooldown. The cooldown it's still short enough that you'll have it for every spellcard assuming there is a non-spell between each card.
Wow, people have already 1cc'd.
>>34606517>1cc'dSOC already has an LNN.
>>34605279It means that Reimu got a huge buff, Marisa and Sanae are mostly the same, and Sakuya got an even bigger buff.
>>34602488people are busy playing the game, retard. Vtubers shit up this board so much they had to be booted off to >>>/vt/. I recommend you check it out.
Just picked up Unconnected Marketeers this morning and God damn, its kicking my ass on normal even. Think I've been playing way too much Cave shumps in the past two years and I've lost my "feel" for Touhou's style of patterns.Guess I'll just have to keep chugging away at it.Feels bad getting wiped out before stage 2 ;_;
>>34607541If it's an consolation, I get wiped by Stage 3 in Ketsui. Probably got wiped by stage 2 (especially the boss) when I went in blind, too, but I can't remember.
>>34607458It's a shame mods keep refusing to follow through with really kicking all of them off, I guess they really want the few generals they frequent to never leave the board.
>>34606517Well, people like Jamers and the like are barely even human, more like a robotic shumps processing machines.
>>34607541I think UM is considered one of the harder games. I couldn't even get past stage 4 on normal after getting absolutely obliterated by Sannyo Komakusa.
>>34607727It snowballs pretty hard with the power loss.
>>34607727It's only hard at the very beginning when you have no card slots and no good cards to start with. With 3 card slots unlocked you can do all kinds of stupid shit, such as picking 3 good actives at the start and spamming them in rotation so you don't even have to dodge.
>>34607893Mamizou's card prevents power from dropping under 3. Choosing that as your starting card makes the game so much easier.
I'm not much of a score person but I have some serious doubts about this game's scoring system.
>>34601066>"Reimu, take a look! What do you think this is? "This looks like a card with a drawing of that idiot on it......?"RUDE
>>34602110Sakuya is the only one I've ever been able to clear EX 11 with in Spell practice due to her damage output. I'm still working on the routing (took me like 100 tries, the biggest problem for me is Momoya moves so I have to adjust myself so I can hit those empty spots) for it but I can probably clear this in game with Remilia fang or Raiko drum.https://files.catbox.moe/xi29s0.mp4
>>34607893This might be the only thing I outright dislike. If you fuck up you lose a ton of power. Once I get Mamizou’s card I dont think I’ll ever let go of it.
>>34609464why did you choose to do it in the hardest way possible?
>>34609589If there's an easier way, I'd like to see it since it would help. Otherwise, I did it because in like 99% of my attempts, moving to the empty space when the spellcard starts is safe. I thought to myself I can probably find a way to abuse it and I'm still working on it.
So /jp/, what do you use to play? Controller/stick and if so which one? Keyboard? Mouse?Use to play with keyboard for years, but recently been using a Dualshock3 and been trying out a 8BitDo SN30 Pro+. The SN30 is really nice but I'm not 100% sure if I like it's dpad more then the DS3's. Always been a bit partial to the PS1 to PS3 's style of dpad.
How much 2hu you play? I am alsways tired no matter what, so I can`t play it more then like 3-5 practice attempts on a boss at a time. If I play for too long I just lose all focus and die to everything, but the problem is that it will take ages to cc anything at this rate.
>>34609705Primarily a keyboard. I use two since I have a faulty shift on one and arrows on the other. Sometimes I use a controller- analog stick for movement.
>>34609705I was a secondary until the moment I borrowed a controller from my brother.When I used to try to play on my old membrane keyboard, I could not even press down and left at the same time, so you could guess that my dodging skills were therefore ass. But on the other hand, now I can't play on a keyboard.Also, I bind my bomb key on the left dpad button, the same dpad I use for movement, so I only use my thumbs to play Touhou.
>>345838101cc for each character
>>34609640https://files.catbox.moe/hkstzy.webmmuch harder to do with sakuya, admittedly, but still probably easier than what you're doing
>>34609716>If I play for too long I just lose all focus and die to everything, but the problem is that it will take ages to cc anything at this rate.Take a break. Don't do it all in one go.
>>34609774It's probably easier. I'll keep this in mind for Reimu and Sanae. I still think if I optimize the method I'm experimenting with, I can clear the spellcard 10 secs+ faster than with this method and Sanae/Reimu.
>>34609774This strat looks like it could be done with Sakuya if you lock on the angled shot when in the corners, but it would still be more work then Reimu for sure.
>>34609716When I play shumps its usually for a 1-3 hour window. But I find I do FAR the best either in the morning when I'm rested, or after doing something physical like yard work, etc. Getting the blood flowing helps the brain to think fast for sure. And maybe a whisky or two to steady the hands.
>>34609774Man, I'm dumb. I've been doing side target > middle target > side target on repeat and getting fucked over by the occasional bad RNG walling when I could just be going full side to side.
>>34609705I play with a keyboard
>>34609464I know the point is that this is a difficult (or unreliable?) strat, but it looks swag as hell. Kudos for capping it this way.>>34609774This works for Marisa as well, just gotta be patient (and get lucky with the stray bullets after the waves, in my case).
>>34609716I'm mostly playing around 8-9 hours over the course of a whole day on average (I haven't been playing for a very long time) since I'm a neet with above average concentration and I sometimes play without focusing too hard when I get bored. Funnily enough I rarely feel tired at the end of the day for some reason; masturbating is 10x times worse for my focus than any amount of touhou has ever been.
>>34609716I play Touhou on a daily basis. I try to play for at least an hour a day.
>>34609894after experimenting with it a bit more, I think it's better for Sakuya to bite the bullet and take some aimed at the middle so she can sit there and deal some damage otherwise you'll just not get anything donethe other three definitely benefit a lot more from straight side to side sweeps
Finally cleared EX stage. I went back to check over my replay and it looks like it desync'd around the spinning laser spellcard (Spellcard 9). I don't know why but the card should of ended with a 2nd Remilla bite. For whatever reason, the active card also stops showing whether it's recharging or not after Misumaru's shop. Oh well, my replay is marked as cleared and I know deep in my heart I did it so it's fine. 3 more characters to go! Byakuren + Remilia + Saki is the strongest combination!
Does anybody else feel as if stages are significantly easier than bosses? I'm not talking about just UM, I'm talking about Touhou as a whole. I can typically go through the stages without missing or bombing but once I reach a boss I have might have to start using bombs or even if I don't I still fuck up on one of the spell cards, although it depends on the difficulty setting and game. In EoSD's case, I have got good enough that I can get all the way up to Sakuya's second non spell (the mid boss one counting as her first) without having to miss or bomb on Normal mode with MarisaA.
>>34610951The bosses are the focus of the game even more so than other shooters, especially considering the spell card system, so it's not unusual that stages are easier than bosses. The stages felt pretty hard in UM though.
>>34610951Keep in mind EoSD has a lot of enemies that don't shoot any bullets at all until they appear in place. You can make the screen very empty by killing enemies before they have a chance to shoot anything out. ZUN sort of learned his lesson and made later enemies either shoot bullets while they're off screen or give them enough hp that you'll have a dodge a few bullets before the die.
>>34610951as the series progresses I feel like stages get harder while bosses get easiershots stopped really being spread in 10 and at some point fairies started surviving more than one bullet meaning things can get out of hand very quickly if you can't defeat them all in time, which is especially a problem for Marisa since penetrating lasers are banned
>>34610951It is the point? It is just a warm up before the boss, and also an opportunity to get bigger score and more lives
>>34610988>>34611043I remember some anon once said they though the stages were harder than the bosses. I was curious if anybody shared their opinion. Perhaps their opinion is in the minority
SOC got a no card LNN.https://twitter.com/soc_saudade/status/1390030541529907201
>>34611124On later stages it can get hard if you are not grinding, so who knows
>>34611126>two days after the game releasedHoly shit what a mad man
>>34610032See, I wasn't using continues. I cleared it on normal, yet the two failed attempts had twice and three (!) times the score. I really don't think that's supposed to happen, that's an insane, bizarre score difference.
>>34590082>PoDDIs LNN in that case not getting hit or just not dying?And has PoFV never been done?
>>34611665PoFV for some reason isn't on that list
Is noone talking about Megumu's rice? I equipped it from the start, got full power in no time and the game looked so broken I felt like a cheater. Looks like it can be abused to hell and back.>>34608096I'm probably dumb, but can you choose which active card to use when you have more than one? How so?
>>34611689You can switch between them with D
>>34611126SOC = god
almost there! hopefully multiple characters count
>>34610944You use Byakuren for Extra stage? Isn't it useless due to bomb protection?
>>34611124They're probably not harder but they're definitely way more frustrating for me
>>34612674not them but Byakuren reduces cooldown time for Active cards so if you're brave and proficient then you can probably cheese a lot of cards with Remilia
>>34612674Like what >>34612747 said. Byakuren's card extending the length of your bomb also gives you alot of time for Remilla's fang to recharge so after a single bomb, you can basically roll up to their face and fang them again to end the card. It's a very cheesy combo.
>>34611124The stages are kicking my butt more then the bosses for sure.Dying once in this game and the power loss from it seems to effect you more then other games. Never feel like I'm doing enough damage to clear everything.
>>34612847>Never feel like I'm doing enough damage to clear everything.honestly even at full power this is the case if you're not playing Sanae
>>34612847>Dying once in this game and the power loss from it seems to effect you more then other games.Probably to make the Mamizou and Koishi cards more attractive
>>34612161Does it say something like "Capture all the spell cards"?Good luck, regardless of what you have to do! What did you use for your Lunatic no-miss?
>>34613184thanks.reimu with +shot damage, +gold drop, and lose 200 gold instead of dying cards. picked up sumireko's barrier on the way which helped out a lot.
>>34613246by shot damage you mean wolf or centipede card?
>>34613274wolf because i'd be bombing the whole time
Does wolf or one of the high damage option cards like Marisa magic missile do more damage?
>>34613246Sounds like a really good and safe way to do it. Sumi's card rocks, too: I used that for my extra clear.
>>34613324unfortunately testing this sucks because you can't bring cards into spell card practice, but just from trying them out against the stage 1 midboss I got a shorter time with mini-magic missiles than Safi, tied with Safi using mini-laser and had a longer time with mini-amuletsalso did Cirno shotgun and got even shorter than mini-hakkero but that's obviously unrealistic
>>34598880how do you get the ability to start with 3, I only got 2
>>34613246Wouldn't it be easier to get Sanny with Byakuren's card and bomb at the end of the non-spell to automatically capture everything that's not a final card?
>>34613543Take the white card after stage 5 (In other words, clear stage 6 with no cards)
>>34611665I would assume just not dying.>>34612847Yeah, I think enemy health is chunkier than usual to make damage output cards more enticing. Even at 4.00 I feel a bit underpowered if I dont have wolf or an extra option or something. And the powerloss on death is brutal, if it werent for attack cards to mitigate it, it would honestly ruin the game for me. It’s a little too close to gradius syndrome, but the cards are at least usually enough.Losing two lives in a row feels like a run ender now though.
what does the okina card do?
>>34613543Complete stage 5 and buy the empty card, pic related. It will remove all your cards, so last stage will be harder, but if you then manage to 1cc you will get the third slot.You can do it on easy too
>>34613729>>34613694ty anons! :) <3 <3<3
>>34613727removes bullets that touch the back door behind youpretty much invalidates the final boss' first spell
>>34613729>but if you then manage to 1cc you will get the third slot.Oh, so THAT's how you do it?I never thought I'd use Easy mode for anything other than reading the story once it gets fully translated, but here I fucking go.
>>34613806Does that work on yinyang balls, or at least the small ones? They seem to have some weird properties and behave a bit different than other bullets.
>>34613608anon asked for what I used on the LNM run, not what I plan to use for finishing spell captures, which will be something like your setup, yes.
>>34613945it deletes the small ones on second and third spell but not the first, non-spells or any large ones
Is there a particular strategy to overwhelming the AI in PoFV or is it more about surviving until it decides to die?
>>34614086It can't really be overwhelmed. It's just based on a timer, and when the timer runs out, it starts to dodge poorly.There are some attacks it cannot really dodge, but that's more due to an oversight than design.
>>34614086Aya and Medicinethe AI moves by reacting to bullets around it, Aya's fan bullets move too quickly for them to get away in time and Medicine's ability to slow them down fucks with them because they think they can move out in time when they can'tany other character is just a test of endurance
>>34614160forgot to mention that Marisa and Shiki's lasers can also cause cheese them if they're focused on firing at Lily/Level 4 attack because the hitboxes are instant and they have no chance to react but that happens rarely and using Shiki is probably gonna get you killed much faster than the AI
>>34614160I think Marisa's lasers and Youmu's black EX attack also can get them, if they spawn on top of them. It's much rarer, but it can happen occasionally.
>>34582000>try to run it>get this errorI have no idea what this means
PoFV is best played with actual people
>>34614212Try running with Japanese locale. Based on personal experience, it might be some directX related stuff, or that the process is already running the background, but it'd help if the text was readable.
>>34612161And done. Sanae, Byakuren card, bomb non-spell beforehand, Remi fang. For Chimata's last spell, learn the first 2 phases, barrier/moon/whatever phase 3 (or just learn it too not that tough), fang phase 4 immediately.
>>34614463I'm gonna need a rundown on your cards
>>34614463the kind of rapid tapping needed for this is so much harder than just playing the game
I want to stop being a secondary, is there some kind of /jp/ 2hu repository with all the games on them or just torrenting/buying on steam?
>>34614308Location Emulator works just fine for it, ty kind anon
>>34614438Nice. You're now a super player!
I spent the last 5+ hours trying to beat EX mode with Reimu, thinking it would be easier than clearing it with Marisa. Swapped over to Marisa and cleared EX mode, 2nd try. Disclaimer: I've been bomb spamming/dying through 99% of Momoya's fight so I don't actually know if Reimu or Marisa has an easier time clearing spellcards legitimately. But I'm having a rough time scamming out a win with Reimu.
>>34614620Can you torrent?https://nyaa.si/view/1175232I recommend starting with Touhou 6, since it's the first Windows game and the first game that's still 100% canon. It also happens to be a good shmup for beginners, since the patterns you need to dodge aren't as elaborate as in later games.Expect to spend some time and effort 1CCing each game. Practice makes perfect, so try to practice efficiently. Good luck!
>>34614306havent tried yet offline, but on netplay its fun and helped me understand the game more
>>34614747no anon dont do that!
>>34614438No hidden cheevos like ISC?>>34614463Oh wow, the UFO looks fucking useless.
>>34615186I do what I want sugar
>>34615178For me it's the opposite. I played offline before doing online to get a better understanding of the game
I don't know what setup I was supposed to be using for Extra, but the Vampire Fang lets you cheese every spellcard. Shit's pretty busted.
>>34588060I think the soundtrack is a little below average, but the actual game is super fun. The cards are way better than the shit we got in Touhou 17.
All these posts about how busted the cards are makes me want to never use them
>>34614463what is happening here?
>>34599106>>34599263Practiced for a couple hours, on my best run I made it to Mokou's survival spell before kicking the bucket. Fujiyama Volcano was the hardest spell card bar none for me, fuck that shrapnel effect. Feeling confident about this though.
>>34615281Good job anon! Honestly, fang is the only card you need. It absolutely melts so many cards.>>34615392Just use whatever you like, anon. Pretty much everything is useful except Cirno's card (unless it got buffed from the demo) and probably Koishi's. Yes, even the UFO has SOME use (on normal).
>>34615576I'd say Koishi's is better than Mamizou's. Since you only lose 50 per hit with Koishi, you have to get hit 3 times before you go below what you would with Tanuki and it's pretty unrealistic that you're gonna get hit those 3 times. Add that to the fact that it's easier to recover your POW since it's only 50 lost meaning you get back to full quicker and the little tiny bonus of not having to deal with enemy collision makes it vastly better than Tanuki. Barley Rice also does Tanuki's job better in every way, it's really the worst card in the game by virtue of being totally outclassed on top of requiring multiple pichuun's in a short span of time to even be of any value.
>>34615758that you're gonna get hit those 3 times before picking up just 50 POW*
>>34615758>>34615768Even though the Tanuki isn't that great, I think it can be worth taking if you're low on POW after a boss, and the other options aren't great.Although maybe just buying a life would be better, now that I think of it.
Those three cards slots are the good shit, helped me 1cc Normal as Sakuya. I guess getting Saki and Narumi early on helped a lot too though.I'm really not looking forward to trying out Marisa. You guys better not be bullshitting when you say Remi's card is busted. I don't wanna be dodging any more than I strictly have to.
>>34615265fucking howI wish I had friends that liked pofv
Cleared the extra stage, Remi's fang is really strong.The card covered by the leg is Shiki's.
>>34616085>fucking howAt first I didn't like PoFV's singleplayer but seeing anons talk about their PoFV 1CCs made me give the game another chance and I warmed up to it>I wish I had friends that liked pofvI'm talking about people at /vm/. I don't have friends irl and I don't use social media outside of 4chan so I don't have any online friends either.
I adore the stage 3 song. Gives me real good vibes, and sorta reminds me of earthbound’s ost for some reason. The rest of the ost hasn’t really stuck out to me but this one might end up one of my favorite songs from the whole series.
>>34616517>and sorta reminds me of earthbound’s ost for some reasonSome of the cord progression sounds like Pollyanna. It's one of my favorite tracks too.
>>34616517Yeah the Stage 3 theme is my favorite song in the game.
>>34616517Chimata's theme is slowly growing on me, but it doesn't compare much to masterpieces that pump you up like Shinmyoumaru's, Junko's, or Keiki's themes. Then again her boss fight does feel a bit less intense than those, especially with the pseudo-survival card and the survival card (at least until there are knives everywhere at the last spell).
>>34599993it almost feels wrong using this holy shit
Been a very casual player for almost a decade. Decided last month I was finally gonna start playing these games properly. normal 1cc'd both routes of HRtP about two weeks ago and just normal 1cc'd SoEW with Shot A, about to try again with B. Feels very similar so it shouldn't be hard at all although I am a bit worried about Shot C. That's a big speed penalty.
And done with UM (for now). I've got mixed feelings about this game. Fantastic gameplay mechanics but I have no real love for any of the stages or characters outside of Extra stage and maybe Mike. Stage 5 is visually interesting but the music is...wonky, I guess? Chorus is nice but it feels like the rest of the song just doesn't mesh well.Sakuya and Sanae are bonkers. Reimu feels fine. Marisa doesn't feel as good to use, mostly because she doesn't have anything really unique about her shots other than they shoot straight and her damage is alright. Wished ZUN would stop being a coward and give back her piercing lasers.
The pc-98 games are harder than I expected
>>34617103I choked at mima's final phase twice in a row dammit. It's not even hard, I just have to stop letting the pressure get to me. I'll try again tomorrow
>>34617612Yeah, some patterns are way faster than those in the modern games and they last for longer. You can easily lose 2-3 lives in difficult parts. At least that's what happened to me in LLS's Extra.
The new game is really fun and reawakened my interest in playing again. I suck at games now after a few years of hiatus, so I don't know if I can count LoLk & below since I probably can't do those anymore.
>>34618176For me it's Yuki's aimed laser and the curvy lasers she and Mai start to fire after you.Caught me off guard honestly.
Not UM, but I hate this butterfly so goddamn much
>>34617103>normal 1cc'd both routes of HRtPHow did you do that
>>34615513Mokou was my first EX boss too, and AFAIR I agree Fujiyama Volcano is the only hard spellcard. You need to stream it side to side quickly and efficiently, otherwise you're soon trapped.
>>34615465Aya's card gives you invincibility for few frames when you begin to move. Player very rapidly stops and starts movement, getting full invincibility as result.
>>34618131There's a bug that I think can misplace your hitbox after a death. SoEW is not the greatest game to exist. I applaud you for starting from the very beginning though. Good luck.
Heads up, translation for UM (or at least the beginning of) appears to be out on thcrap
>>34609705first 1cc anon here. i use a ps1 classic controller so i don't have to hunch over my laptop. it works pretty well, almost exactly like keyboard since it has no joystick
>>34614463>Whah! Shes fast!
>>34620200The first few days when only the UI was translated there would be crashes if you came across missing dialogue in the patch. It seems like they filled things in now but I haven't played all the way through yet so I'd suggest anyone using it confirms it's good to go before attempting any serious runs with it. It would suck to get a good run only to find out it's going to crash during dialogue on one of the later stages.
>>34621292Was a tweet this morning (or last night?) about them fixing it. Things are running smooth currently. But yeah, it was totally broke at first.
>>34620200Did they finish the full game yet? When I was playing last night, only the first half plus the ability cards were translated. I also had a weird bug where the card descriptions were "mismatched." It eventually fixed itself for some reason, probably when I finished unlocking all of the cards.
>>34621445Look to be just up till the mid point of stage 4. Stage 4's boss is not translated.But all items to looks to be translated.
>>34620279Hey, that's not her speed!She must be using the tengu card to warp!
>>34618939The chaotic nature of the Ying Yang ball made a 1cc seem almost impossible to me at first but the scoring system in that game is actually extremely busted allowing you to get easy lives during the normal stages, especially if you use bombs.>>34620176Oh is that an issue? I haven't noticed anything like that so far, hopefully it stays that way. I'm having a lot of fun so far though. The desire for "just one more run" is with me practically all the time whenever I can't play. It was there for HRtP too. These games are lots of fun.
>>34622646I gave up on 1ccing HRtP a bit too quickly. What’s the scoring method to use?
All the other PC-98 games run smoothly but Lotus Land story runs like ass. Anyone know how to fix this?
>>34624440Keeping the orb off the ground and chaining is worth way more points than the p items, prioritize juggling it over those. But mainly bomb at the beginning of any level will instantly clear most of it and potentially give you multiple lives.It becomes less useful in the last handful of stages which are pretty much designed to automatically net you huge chains. So long as you persevere you'll get it. Reimu soccer is a lot of fun in its own right.
>>34624651Are you using NP2fmgen? If so, are you using the modified HDI?If that's not it, maybe check your emulator settings.
>>34624748I'm using NP2 with a patched ver. of LLSDo I have to use unpatched?
>>34624789No, that should be correct. I don't know any more than that, maybe something in https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=11117.0 will help.
How does ancient magatama work? Doesn't seem to do anything.
Is it me or is Marisa weak in this game? Even Master Spark doesn't feel like it does much damage unless buffed up with Byakuren's scroll.
>>34626257Sanae is the strongest despite the number because every shot will land no matter where you are. Sakuya and Reimu got a big buff from the demo but Marisa is the same.
>>34626200Erases bullets. All the cards are translated now, by the way.https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Unconnected_Marketeers/Ability_Cards
>>34626200Erases bullets that touch themit's kinda poopy outside of a few niche patterns
>>34626266Sanae (and Reimu for that matter) is only stronger IF you can't aim with Sakuya. If you can, Sakuya is objectively the strongest shot type, it's not even close.
>>34626281>>34626317To be clear it erases bullets once in a blue moon
I've never played a touhou game but I've always wanted to get into it. I was planning to start with EoSD because I know the music but it seems like it's hard to run on modern PCs. Are any of the steam games good starting points?
>>34627586I personally think Mountain of Faith is the best starting game, the bomb mechanic in that game lets you comfortably get away with bombing a bunch while you're learning to get better and... that's it, really. MoF is the most simple game in the series. Just pure, simple dodging.
>>34627586>it's hard to run on modern PCsno, go to Moriya shirne and download it
>>34627586The only problem you're likely to encounter with EoSD is it running at a billion FPS, but it's a simple fix, you just download the DirectX8 to DirectX9 converter and drop it in the game folder.
>>34627681I have the exact opposite opinion, I don't think bomb spamming is a good way to learn the game at allI think IN is better because you can death bomb on reaction so you can just focus on trying to dodge things instead of just pressing x constantly
>>34627766>>34627798wow it just werks, didn't even need the converter
>>34627991That, and the continue system makes the game kind of brutal for first-timers
>>34627586Start with HRTP and play in release order if you're not a bitch. It'll take you less than a week to get a non-1cc playthroughs of all PC98 games.
>>34627586EoSD was my first Touhou game, though my 1st normal 1CC was actually PCB. I would say start with EoSD, it's a good place to start.
>>34599106>>34615513I did it! Damn that feels good.
>>34630411Congratulations anon! A first extra clear is quite an accomplishment.
>>34630411Seconding what anon said, first clears in new settings are always important, gg!IN was also my first
>>34627406No, Misumaru, Nue, and Okina's abilities always cancel the bullets they touch. The hitboxes of the magatama may be small, so in practice they don't cancel that many, but they're 100% consistent.
>>34632116I just realized that all those cards should be amazing against Chimata, Okina's one being the most immediately useful one. Even the spinning UFO should erase a bunch of the knives in her final spell card.
>>34618131I did it! normal 1cc cleared with both Shots B & C. Just took me one more try for each. Don't really have time to continue playing now but I quickly peeked into extra stage and ate shit in what was probably less than a minute. What a difficulty jump, but so far it doesn't look impossible. Can't wait to crack at it this weekend.
>>34633905I couldn't help myself. Tried one more time. Got to the boss and I'm really happy to see it's Rika. Before this I thought she had the cutest portrait and was going to be sad that she was almost certainly gonna be completely forgotten in fanart. She looks tough but nothing extreme. Maybe I just didn't get far enough into the battle but honestly the stage seems to be way harder.