A place for discussion of the works by Kinoko Nasu / TYPE-MOON. Please advise in the thread if any of the links below need to be updated.>Type-Moon Visual Novel Collection (Japanese)https://mega.nz/#F!BA4yHYoT!NwGVKj4q9Z1vnpKlYY-4UQ>Kara no KyoukaiKara no Kyoukai Novel (Japanese)https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/shousetu/b/奈須きのこ_空の境界/index.htmlKara no Kyoukai Novel (English)https://emptyboundaries.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/kara-no-kyokai-translations-2/Kara no Kyoukai Animated Filmshttps://nyaa.si/view/264295Kara no Kyoukai Mangahttps://nyaa.si/view/1187963>TsukihimeTsukihime VNhttps://mega.nz/#!6TBSSTbR!4O6JYv1dyyRw7GQeHJ4NIUYUTQ--tuy9H8s69HgL5lYTsukihime PLUS-DISChttps://nyaa.si/view/453758Tsukihime Kagetsu Tohyahttps://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/3301601Shingetsutan Tsukihime Mangahttps://mega.nz/#F!dRwwAZrT!uxmDDlwDTu3bgo9QIKgSrQ>Melty BloodMELTY BLOOD PC Collectionhttps://nyaa.si/view/1042489MBAACC - Community Editionhttps://mega.nz/#!6FUx2C6a!L2AxbiQzPHtgRI3YPHv4NZfi2EYS9RMeNHoSp6pAcFwMelty Blood Mangahttps://mega.nz/#F!syICRSJI!TeAS9ZVFSDQigguqxn_MwAMelty Blood - Back Alley Alliance Nightmare Mangahttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16jgRv-WneCDBF324U_MFsuguPFTt2J0S>FateFate/stay night [Réalta Nua]https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2725572Fate/hollow ataraxiahttps://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2575055Fate/Zerohttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-5XtCxJULf4YWZfSkZKWGc2S2MThe Case Files of Lord El-Melloi IIhttps://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/5943-Lord-El-Melloi-II-Case-FilesThe Case Files of Lord El-Melloi II Mangahttps://mega.nz/folder/fQFiyY4I#UcZr7N0u3_35994pXKP8qwHeaven's Feel Mangahttps://lovehug.net/730/>Mahou Tsukai no YoruVN: https://mega.nz/#F!YVkkhAjQ!Ggu2BS3MDfaofporByJsFwEnglish patch: https://hollow-moon.github.io/French patch: https://github.com/IDerr/mahoyo-frenchItalian patch: https://riffourtranslations.wordpress.com/category/mahoutsukai-no-yoru/>Angel Voicehttp://www.mediafire.com/file/4w9jk2bwy8b0xsh/Angel_Notes.zip/file>Fate/Apocryphahttps://fateapocryphathetranslation.wordpress.com/>Fate/EXTRAhttps://cdromance.com/psp/fate-extra-perfect-patch-hack/>Fate/Prototype: Fragments of Sky Silverhttps://mega.nz/#!aAsCybqb!WwnKiMn_HK9HqvA_myhLn5GM0yeAv8TTxyQsWWpqaGs>Fate/strange Fakehttps://humbertozero.tumblr.com/post/150696689780/how-to-read-fatestrange-fake-light-novel-read>Fate/type Redlinehttps://mangadex.org/title/44059/fate-type-redline>Fire Girlhttps://firegirlthetranslation.wordpress.com/>Mahou Tsukai no Hako: Starlit Marmalade Mangahttp://www.mediafire.com/folder/lli17cum6jzg7/Marmalade>Tsuki no Sangohttps://www.mediafire.com/?uq1eqhccbxhxktx>Tsuki no Sango Mangahttps://mangadex.org/chapter/773842/1>Beast's Lairhttps://forums.nrvnqsr.com/>Encyclopedia of Type Moonhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0B49crU71miHObWRvV2tDUllYTjQ>Fate/complete material II Character materialhttps://pastebin.com/Zjy1Sj6d>Fate Franchise Lossless Soundtrackshttps://mega.nz/#F!OQwx1DYA!1c0Dkm1VfOPpthg6etuU4g>Type-Moon Comic Acehttps://web-ace.jp/tmca/>TMdict Glossaryhttps://www.tmdict.com/>Tsuki-kan (comprehensive record of real-world statements, interviews, Q&As, feature articles, etc)https://www.tsukikan.com/>Tsukihime Archiveshttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NBqMPjBkGiNk9vIgOtPyjNnpxeH5fmHI>TYPE-MOON 10th Anniversary Phantasmhttp://heavens-feel.com/type-moon_10_anniversary_phantasm_translation.htmlPrevious: >>34495902
First for caster
Last OP was better.
>>34551945What is she holding here?
>>34552548does /tmg/ like the sneks?
>>34552707Ascension items, and what looks to be a small sea demon.
>>34552707Ascention mats I think. Trying to level up her Saber lily?
Is Archer still our favorite TM character?
>>34552979no, hes shit
>>34550572Translation almost done so give it early next year
>>34552979wtf whyI like him but he's not even close to a favorite
>>34553132I think Archer is a pretty cool. Eh kills servants and doesn't afraid of anything.
>>34552979He’s great, but nope. Kirei is probably the best written, but having a favorite is a difficult question.
>>34552979He is and was a faggot
>>34554244stop shitposting Gilgamesh, you dumb jobber
I wonder how Medusa felt when Shinji ordered her to kill a school full of kids as an apparent "strategic move".
>>34552979>favorite TM characterYou're too late >>34552258
>>34554957People forget Rider is sadistic and hates most humans, I don't think she cared.
>>34554957in HA she said that she'd be fine with the town being killed of if Sakura was kept safe. She's fine with killing as long as her master/Sakura are safe if she has to kill. She doesn't want to lose herself in killing and becoming a monster which is explained in HA.
>>34555036Why is she Chaotic Good then? She should be Chaotic Evil, like Gorgon.>>34555121So she's fine with killing literally everyone, but doesn't want to "become a monster"? How does that work? If she has no morality and enjoys slaughtering innocents, she's already a monster. She's far beyond someone like Artoria, who refuses to kill innocents, and even beyond a neutral character like Cu, who's acting on a "nothing personnel, kid" philosophy.
>>34555216You're comparing medusa that stones people and likes to eat them to an inhuman king that suffers alone to preserve her country
>>34555216Alignments mean literally nothing in Fate, don't think too much about it.But if you could also say she isn't ill-intended, she will just do literally anything to protect the one dear to her, that's not really evil.On the other hand the Gorgon that appears in that F/HA flashback and F/GO is a monster purely driven by hate that will end up destroying anything in her reach, including her loved ones.
>>34555216Well for the town being killed she doesn't want to kill people herself but if it's a last resort between the town and Sakura she will chose Sakura. She doesn't want to get her hands dirty and slaughter everyone, but if her master orders her to do so in order to survive then she will. She'd rather read a book or do anything else than kill, but if she has to in order to survive she will. Basically she doesn't have an impulse to kill like Gilles de Rias, but she isn't like Saber in her no killing innocents police. She still doesn't kill people as she sucks blood instead of eating their souls. She'll kill to defend her master and grant them victory. She hasn't become a monster yet because she hasn't killed humans in a mass spree of violence yet as she'd like to not kill anyone if she doesn't have to.
>>34551945very nice anon
During the Tohsaka anus scene, did Rider also felt what it was like having sex with Shirou?
Anyone watch the Camelot movie? It's pretty trashy, but I enjoyed it for the Arthur lore.
>>34555356how bad was it? The only part I liked about Camelot was the ending
>>34555293The problem is, she's way too sadistic. If she just did murdering like it's a job, you would've been completely right. But she loves torturing people to the point of sexual gratification, as that screenshot above reminds us. That's on the same level as goddamn Roa.Her portrayal in HA wasn't nearly as graphic, so did Nasu just decide to sweep it under the rug?>>34555298That reminds me of Elizabeth Bathory. A sadist with a massive thirst for blood who's one happy mass murder away from completely losing touch with reality.
>>34555307Caster is cute. Cute!
>>34555381The animation looked worse than Babylon, and you could tell that different parts were clearly made by different animators. A lot of the plot was also pretty nonsensical, in my opinion.
In these trying times I'd like to propose a toast to Hollow Moon, for translating to english the questioned french translation of Mahoyo!Now let’s a raise our glasses to the saviors of EOPs! Cheers!
>>34555407>so did Nasu just decide to sweep it under the rug?Nah it makes sense in F/HA. She won't kill if there's no need but she might enjoy if she has to. You have to remember adult Rider is already part monster (See her divinity rank being so low).It was swept under the rug in F/GO tho, where everyone becomes a chill nice guy, even Hassan.
Medusa and Sakura are exactly the same, as was explained in HF, to the point where Sakura summoned Medusa without any catalysts thanks to such a powerful connection. They're both wolves in sheep's clothing, tortured creatures full of anger, with the potential to become enemies of humanity. They both had their anchors to sanity (Shirou for Sakura, and the Gorgon sisters for Medusa), but Medusa ended up killing her sisters like Sakura almost killed Shirou multiple times. Medusa's decision to take Shirou's side in HF was her way of repenting for her own nature, as if she was protecting her sisters from herself. So Medusa we see in FHA is a person who made peace with herself - she saved Sakura after all, and so the ghosts of her past finally let her go.>>34555522It wasn't exactly swept under the rug in FGO. Medusa is so casual there because both Stheno and Euryale are with her. She won't succumb to her darker impulses as long as they are around.
>>34555674Holy shit, those fingers are long. Imagine the prostate massages.
>>34555697That's too casual for Tohsaka. She'll just shove anal beads made out of burning hot jewels up your ass and tell you to look for the switch in your soul for the next few days.
>>34555697>>34555720I thought the dirty anus girl was only into putting things up her own butt.
>>34551911I want to hug and kiss Len's cheeks so bad
>>34555882Like any good magi, Rin is up for experimentation.
>>34555937Now no one can complain.
>>34557375Motivate me to read her route
Why yes i will read hollow ataraxia before i read fsn. How could you tell?
>>34557562how is that semen demon still single?
/tmg/ is too busy.
>>34557669but Lancer is a dirty whore
>>34557486Kindly go to Akiha's route and read the Far Side routes
>>34557857just skip Ciel?
>>34558242If it's your first time reading tsuki then why not read it. If it's not your first time always skip Ciel's route
>>34557677Just wait until people actually play the remake.
>>34559394fuck off /vn/
>>34559394what class would gigachad be?
>>34559394basedthis is assuming the translations are more faithful though
>>34559933I heard somewhere that all of Nasu’s H Scenes weren’t actually that bad, and it was just Mirror Moon fucking them up. Is there any truth to that?
>>34560250They're only a meme among western fans. There's nothing remarkable about them in Japanese.
So some anon on /a/ told me that even apochrypha was better than anything from fgo. Was he full of shit? I know fgo's writing isn't god tier or anything but cmon.
>>34561047Sieg being the single worst main character among all of TM works disqualifies Apocrypha from being better than anything at all.
>>34561117Some people would argue mash and the "self insert" are worse since they are bland.
>>34561047I couldn't make it five episodes into Apocrypha and every time I've given FGO a chance I always quit after maybe the third singularity so I wouldn't know. That said, I actually managed to finish Babylonia despite how useless the main character was so I'm leaning slightly towards full of shit.
>>34561295You can try and suplex a god in babylonia, it's not canon, but it's better than anything sieg did. >>34561047Apo just takes ideas from other places and does them worse, fgo doesent have ideas, it just exists to shove out new servants for people to whale on.
>>34555216Alignments mean nothing in fate and trying to understand them will only result in your misery.
Why do you hate Zero again? Nasu considers it better than FHA, and submitted it to Aniplex for an anime adaption.>When we were developing Hollow, which had many assistant writers creating the plot together, Takeuchi once again surprised me with his words.>“For Eclipse, should we get Urobuchi Gen to write one?”>It was too surprising. But because my disposition as Urobuchi’s fan was too intense, it was too hard for me to speak such a request; it was like making a demand to a god. I gave the question to Takeuchi in a roundabout way “… Um, if it’s brought up by you, Takeuchi, he might find it pretty hard to refuse…”. Therefore, at one time when we were dining with Urobuchi, Takeuchi said straightforwardly “Urobuchi-san, I’ve got something I want to talk to you about”. That was such a strong direct attack!! As ferocious as a spiral upward hook.>Yes. Spiral upward hook. I think those knowledgeable readers should know about it. Faced with such an attack, this man who often surpassed the reader’s imagination only hummed and nodded slightly, and made a clever counter move.>“Ah. If so, what about getting me to write about the fourth Heaven’s Feel? Something like Fate/zero.”>So… impressive!!>Isn’t this just great? To be honest, I even think this is an idea more wonderful than developing the Hollow game.>Then, we began to discuss about it:>“Speaking of, what is the fourth war about?”>“Hum – Saber getting bullied by Gilgamesh and Alexander!”
>>34561717Because its badly written trash that lacks any of the charms of the original VN or HA
>>34561047People tend to have a pretty significant hateboner for FGO because it's a gacha game. In reality, while it obviously doesn't compare to the visual novels, it's not that badly written, especially not the parts after the London singularity, when they started taking writing seriously. I especially remember enjoying the Remnants, they were a fun time. Basically, with so much content, you're bound to find something you like if you're willing to stick with it.Apocrypha doesn't have the highs or the lows of FGO. It's just fucking boring, which is the worst thing it could be.
>>34561717Nasu shills literally everything TM touches, I'm sure you can dig up quotes of him praising Apo to high heaven. That's just the kind of a person he is. In reality, "Saber gets bullied by everything" is kind of a shitty setup for a prequel, and that's all Zero is. It is offensively edgy and pretty much completely unnecessary. It also brought us a ton of newfags who came in with completely wrong expectations and proceed to shit up TM threads to this day.
>>34561717I enjoy it, it's just not my type of content in the first place. I was never interested in seeing the fourth war play out nor do I dig the dour tone F/Z generally maintains.
>>34561918Urobuchi loves FSN and FHA and wrote Zero as a specific prequel to its themes and endings.>"This book of mine, that wasted the entirety of more than one thousand and four hundred pages of paper for the sake of shouting out ‘I love Fate’, is now respectfully set before you.">"Yes. This marvelous piece called Fate - its perfect united ending surrounding the protagonist Emiya Shirō is a set fact. No matter how cruel the end of Zero turns out to be, it wouldn't affect the perfect finish of this entire work.">Takeuchi: Many anime studios wanted to make Fate/Zero into an anime, but as far as actually doing that, I couldn't feel very excited about the idea. It was a story that came into being out of the love and respect that Urobuchi-san had for Fate/stay night, and was designed to deepen the enjoyment a reader could get out of Fate. Adapting it into an anime might mean stepping on that love, and I didn't want to make something that didn't capture the feeling of the original novels.>Nasu: Many anime fans want there to be a lot of cute bishoujo characters in the work, and while they work hard to meet those needs, Iwakami, an important producer at Aniplex, wasn't satisfied just by doing that. I suggested that he tackle Fate/Zero, a dark and serious story full of raw emotion. He had the resolve, and that's how they ended up adapting Fate/Zero.Context for this: Iwakami turned down to adapt FSN because he didn't want to adapt a bishoujo harem series, so Nasu proposed Zero.
>>34562070Do you have any actual response, or just these regurgitated quotes?
>>34560250>>34560318Nasu's prose is fluid, incredibly poetic and filled with so many archaic words, unique use of prose and vague phrasing that translating it into English is insanely hard.
>>34551911what is that expression trying to convey?
>>34561717>posting this on 3 different boardsWhy are zero fags like this?
>>34561918>It is offensively edgyDid we read the same VN? The dark tone of Zero was always there in KnK, Tsukihime and HF. There is a scene at the very start with Medea using poison to make men sterile. And don't forget Archer. Or Gil killing Illya. Or Gil wanting to use the Grail for genocide. It was really edgy.The references to the fourth war in F/SN were vague and undetailed, especially before HF. HF was originally bashed viciously for being an outlier compared to Fate and UBW, but after Zero showed that the events leading up to the fifth war were far closer to HF in tone, people were far more willing to accept HF and were unable to take Fate and UBW seriously anymore due to the ridiculous tonal dissonance.I'm sick of you secondaries trying to make some retarded rivalry between the two when both Nasu and Urobochi are good friends that collaborated their ideas together to make FZ. He wouldn't have brought back Urobochi for another Zero collab if he didn't enjoy their previous one.
>>34561717I dont hate it, I just think its badly written schlock that is good for some flashing lights in the fight scenes and characterizing gil and kirei, and thats about it. As far as dumb action flicks go theres certainly worse stuff out there, its certainly not the worst fate related material out there.
>>34562325translation is easy dude, just turn the words into english, duh
>>34562692>Did we read the same VN?Probably, because Zero wasn't a VN.>The dark tone of Zero was always there in KnK, Tsukihime and HF. There is a scene at the very start with Medea using poison to make men sterile. And don't forget Archer. Or Gil killing Illya. Or Gil wanting to use the Grail for genocide. It was really edgy.That's not what I'm talking about at all. There were always dark moments in Nasuverse, but the stories were always ultimately hopeful, showing the strength of humanity. Zero doesn't have that, it's soaked in cynicism. The whole premise, like you yourself quoted, was "let's take Artoria, the paragon of virtue and goodness, and drag her through the mud". It's Nasu's fetish, as explained in Tsukihime. If you like edginess - you'll enjoy Zero, but nothing else in the Fate series is like that, thank fuck.>The references to the fourth war in F/SN were vague and undetailed, especially before HFYou're talking as if HF wasn't always part of FSN. And we knew enough about the fourth war to make sense of the narrative, we simply didn't need to know any more. >HF was originally bashed viciously for being an outlier compared to Fate and UBW, but after Zero showed that the events leading up to the fifth war were far closer to HF in tone, people were far more willing to accept HF and were unable to take Fate and UBW seriously anymore due to the ridiculous tonal dissonance.In what fucking universe do you live? UBW is still largely considered to be the best route in FSN, no one was "unable to take it seriously anymore". That's ridiculous as fuck.>I'm sick of you secondaries trying to make some retarded rivalry between the two when both Nasu and Urobochi are good friends that collaborated their ideas together to make FZ. He wouldn't have brought back Urobochi for another Zero collab if he didn't enjoy their previous one.There is no rivalry. Zero is inferior to FSN, plain and simple. I don't care who Nasu is friends with, I simply dislike those fucking books.
>>34562951>UBW is still largely considered to be the best route in FSNNTA, dont even like zero, but thats because the majority of people are subhuman retards
>>34563018Like it or not, it's still a fact. No one had any sudden revelations about FSN after Zero came out, people still shat on HF, and continue doing so to this day. Not even because it was too dark or anything, they just don't like Sakura.
>>34563047that I am not arguing with
fate sux lol
>>34562692Fate always had dark elements, fate was not edgy. There is a difference between Caster (FSN) and "stabbing kids is fun lmao" Caster and Ryuunosuke from Zero. The darkness in Fate was natural, and came as a consequence to the same things that brought about the lighter elements.The darkness in Zero is contrived and self-masturbatory, it exists for its own purpose rather than because it makes sense for it to do so. A dying man who can barely move crawls across town just because him dying somewhere else would be more tragic. That is not comparable to "one of the villains drains people of life-force to survive, this leaves them sterile". >>34563081Yes.
>>34559442Shut seiba you know he's right
Why is the western fanbase like this?
fateshit out of /tmg/ NOW
>>34563872They won't listen.
>>34561816>it's not that badly written, especially not the parts after the London singularityno, it really is. part 2 especially.
>>34564552How exactly? Sure, it can get pretty silly, but how is it any worse than, say, Fate/Extra?
>>34564552Any lostbelt is better than any singularity that wasn't written by Nasu. "Part 2 especially" makes no sense, and your opinion is invalid.
>>34564709Fate/Extra is also terrible
>>34564859>you're wrong!!!no u
>>34560250They aren't hilarious/funny like the TLs but his H scenes are pretty fucking shit. Nobody likes Nasu's porn. EGS agrees.
>>34562481Zerofags are unironically the worst.
Why do people hate Sakura?
>>34566604EGS agrees that nobody likes porn in plotge in general.
>>34567025I jacked it to the bestiality scene in subahibi
>>34567025That's true. Sometimes they're weirdly harsh on things that have perfectly serviceable H.
>>34566985You can choose a stunningly beautiful knight girl, who would give her life for you in a heartbeat. She's also one of the main pillars of the entire Western storytelling tradition.You can choose a graceful and cool magus girl, who would show you all the secrets of the world and take your ass outside your comfort zone, while always being on your side.Or you can choose the purple bitch. She was raped by her brother and now wants to rape you.Decisions, decisions.
>>34567092>reading Sca-JiAbsolutely disgusting.
>>34567092All 10 or so lines of it?
>>34561047the story chapters written by Nasu in F/GO always have a kino moment of two. Not like the whole chapters are good, but they end on a high note.On the other hand I unironically think Apocrypha was utter shit where the only decent thing was that single chapter about Mordred and her master.
>>34560250>>34566604Fate h-scenes were too good for its time
>>34562951>UBW is still largely considered to be the best route in FSNAll three routes are good and all, but people have been jizzing their pants for HF for almost two decades now.
>>34570533People praise exactly two scenes in HF, and both of them involve Shirou fighting shit.
>>34570533The people who do so are outnumbered by the normies who watched the UBW anime and were enamoured by the flashing lights.
>>34570862Are you retarded? For example, Kotomine eating tofu is one of the most famous scenes in the entire VN.
>>34570862this is just not true>>34570871what did the /a/fags think about the HF movies?
>>34570926I dont know
>>34570277Not really though. They aren't even voiced and that was reasonably common by 2004.
>>34571009>Illya and Rider's VAs are OK with voicing h-scenes but didn't get any in the original gameA shame
The ost fate needshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_s3h1CS-c4
>>34571059At least we were spared from listening to Sugiyama's huffs and puffs.
>>34571406>not wanting to hear Sugiyama's huffs and puffspleb detected
>>34571406listening to Archer fuck in Kara no Shoujo 2 was kino
Wait /tmg/ likes liz?
>>34572332we always did
>>34551911Why are chapters missing from the Fate/Strange Fake manga? I wanted to start it but it seems that only chapters 1 and 2 from volume 3 are translated and then it jumps to volume 4https://mangadex.tv/manga/fatestrange_fake
>>34572332Lizards are the cutest beings in the universe.
>>34557375Look at that tiny hammer.
>>34575750Shiki should've gotten her a bigger one.
>>34575975She should ask Shirou for a bigger hammer.
>>34576670Shirou would've told her to scram and fixed the whole thing by himself.
Ah, here comes the best part.I gotta say, the way voiceover suddenly disappears once the script changes from RN to the original is rather ominous.
>>34577185Why does Saber's route get so hate? It was the best of the three.
>>34577324Because too many people played it while being too familiar with FSN.
>>34577324It's not the best, but what >>34577402 is right. If you already know the basics of Fate (especially Saber being Arthur), a bunch of the route is already ruined for you.
>>34577424Playing fsn in 2004 without knowing anything about the series must have been a hell of a ride.
>>34577523Looking at the ancient EGS reviews is fun.>初プレイで魔法と魔術の違いがどうとかいう薀蓄のあたりで寝てしまった。What a pleb.https://erogamescape.org/~ap2/ero/toukei_kaiseki/game_comment_time.php?game=3254&order=asc#all_comment
>>34577424It's still very enjoyable if you keep that context in mind. Seiba's first Excaliblast is still an amazing crescendo moment, too bad we didn't get to see Rider's reaction when she got deleted right in the middle of her smug final attack.
They really didn't rewrite anything that wasn't strictly necessary (like literally one line here, take a guess which one), so it somehow sounds even sillier out of context.Props for the special effects I guess, they really tried to do something impressive with that 2004 VN tech to make up for the lack of far juicier stuff. Still, the H-scene feels much more natural. Dragons are fine I guess, but the rewrite couldn't be more obvious and half of the scene spent in complete silence (as if someone forgot to put in the BGM), so I have no clue who would even bother.
>>34567190The choice is clear, I shall be her superhero
fate girls a shit
>>34578150When I started reading FSN, I was reading the censored version. Thing is, I didn’t know it. So when the scene after the first Gilgamesh fight happened, it drove me crazy cause I wanted them to just bang. Then I got the uncensored version and read the H scene and I was thoroughly disappointed. It wasn’t even funny like Rin’s H scene was. Fate was a solid route, but that H scene is a definite stain, in my opinion.
>>34579764But the threeway in the forest is the best Fate H scene.
>>34579785>>34579825Mostly because it wasn’t interesting to read. It was just boring. I actually thought the Realta Nua scene was better, but I do think it’s dumb that they say “yeah this totally isn’t magic sex” when it clearly is. On the other hand, the UBW H scene had me pissing my pants laughing, yet another reason that path was my favorite.
/tmg/ is a Mahoyo general
>>34580117Thanks Nasu but this is Himuro land
>>34580117Thank you Nasu, now retcon the last 6 years of your work .
Does someone have a quote that R07 was inspired by tsuki to make VN's? I know i saw it a while ago but didn't save it.
Why are they remaking tsukihime?what's wrong with the old one?
>>34580405It was too good
>>34580405Nasu's embarrassed by it.
Is tsuki slow paced?
>>34580497Compared to what?
>>34580669Fsn or umineko.
Why does Nasu always remake his old works and not make anything new?
>>34580473Is there anything old that Nasu isn't embarrassed of?
>>34580871全員とデートbecause at least Illya got a chance even if Shirou forgot.
>>34580830Of course these two raging imbeciles thought number 1 was a good idea.
>>34580497I'd say it's pretty damn fast-paced compared to FSN.
>>34581067I think people picked 1 because it had more potential for gags, and showed off the cast more.
>>34581855Seeing Saber single-handedly wiping out the all you can eat buffet was hilarious.
>>34562951>UBW is still largely considered to be the best route in FSNFor me it's HF > Fate > UBWFate Shirou is also my favorite Shirou
Is the tsukihime version in the OP playable on mac? Or is there a playable version somewhere? I'm looking for a mac version to get a friend to play it.
>>34551911God bless レン
>>34580497Even though I like it better, I’d say FSN has the better pacing. For example, Shirou and Saber weren’t my favorite romance, but the progression of the relationship made me believe it. In Tsukihime, I feel like things move a little too fast.
>>34580497Nah it's pretty fast in my opinion.
He is not a shirou face.
>>34584499Shirou and Saber had more conflict and reconciliation. Their romance is similar to Shiki and Arc (in both cases the girl became infatuated with the protagonist because he looked at her like no one else ever did). But due to Arc's naive nature, she never questions her love for Shiki, while Saber takes some time to deal with the conflict between knighthood and her freshly discovered femininity. That's why her romance feels more natural. And in both cases, the protagonist acts the same way. He's your avatar, and you came here to fall in love with the main heroine, so neither Shiki nor Shirou spend too much time processing anything.
>>34586457He reminds me more of Guda.
>>34586621He does look like him though, the hair is similar.Here's a fun fact, in case you didn't know - Takeuchi mentioned that both protagonists in FGO are genderbent versions of Shirou and Rin.
>>34586457I prefer the big round glasses, they really were part of the character to me.
>>34587208Much like technicolor hair and silly costumes, they were part of Takeuchi's old aesthetic. He stopped drawing like that a long time ago.
Why is our king so cute, bros?
>>34582163No. The best you can do right now is install a partition and play it that way.
>>34582163>>34590870Actually you could run onscripter on it which is cross-platform and it will run natively on mac. I don't know if that's any easier/worse than just using wine on mac, spinning up a windows VM or straight up having another windows partition.
>>34590863Because shes cute and pure. Made for dressing up.
>>34551911For me it's Illya > Saber > Rin = Reines > Luvia > Mdordred > Gray > Caster > Caren > Liz and Sella > Sakura > Jeanne > Bazett > Rider > all other Fate girls
>>34592287Mostly based but I'd put Rider above Rin and Saber above Illya.
>>34592287keep us posted
>>34592379haha imagine getting height mogged by a girl
To this day I feel like this one photo, out of all the cosplay I've seen over many years, actually captured the idea of what a certain character might've looked like if they were a real person. Not even the rest of that set, but this particular photo, managed to hit that bullseye that made me think "yeah, this is what Artoria would've looked like IRL".It's kind of fascinating, how I still remember it a decade later.
>>34592495I think she'd be a bit slimmer in the face.
>>34592495I want to punch that saber in the face
>>34581855That is one spooky Sakura.
>>34592495Her hair looks kinda fake
>>34592287Bro? Your musashi??
>>34592713I hate Musashi so fucking much it's unbelievable
>>34592738Why? Not that anon, but I think she's a fun character. They took the ever-popular idea of a ridiculously overpowered superhuman Musashi Miyamoto (Japanese writers really warmed up to the idea of everyone in the world calling him the best swordsman ever) and took it to its extreme, turning him into this dimension-hopping Onee-san.
>>34592884I think she's a shit character that keeps being forced down my throat.If I lived in Japan I would have already stabbed Sakurai.
>>34592938We haven't seen her for a while now though.
>>34592974Yeah because we haven't seen the story for a while now.Remember to look surprised when she comes back and every character present starts talking about how strong she is.
>>34593034She's gonna come back no doubt, but I don't think she's gonna get more wank than any other main character in FGO.
>>34593137>I don't think she's gonna get more wank than any other main character in FGOShe got a whole story chapter about her and she appeared in two other chapters to help the pathetic MC with her incredible skill and power.No other character aside from the real MCs have been wanked like that.
I'm glad we all like Rider in here
>>34577324First route syndrome
Is there any information on Burial Agency #2,3,4?
>>34577324Because it didnt get a flashy lights anime.
>>34577324It centered too much around Saber and was fairly mediocre. Doesn't mean it's bad. I love Saber. I just find the route would be a chore for people that didn't like Saber as a character.
>>34594197Only a monster wouldn't like Saber. And every route centers around each of the heroines, that's the point.
>>34575171bruh, 'chapter 1' is chapter 13, 'chapter 2' is chapter 14, then goes chapter 15
>>34577324I don't think it gets hate, people just like the other two routes more.Also I think it works great as an introduction, other VNs like Dies Irae or even other pieces of media like Jojo's Bizzare Adventure really struggle to introduce their character and the foundations of their fictional worlds in an interesting way. The Fate route does this really well, if you can stomach a few infodumps.
>>34594071I want to sniff her crotch
>>34593955Shes fine I guess.
>>34595024where are her pants?
>>34595071she left them in shirou's room
>>34595024If there ever was a reason to choose purple it is because team purple comes with a Rider with benefits.
>>34594401Does that mean UBW was the Redman route?
>>34595200He's not exactly a heroine, but sure, you can put it that way.
>>34592713>>34592738>>34592884>>34592938>>34592974>>34593034>>34593137>>34593284Still miles better than Scat.
>>34596632To this day I still can't believe they forgot to write Scat a personality and yet they released her anyways
>>34594557>if you can stomach a few infodumps.HF has more infodumps than Fate.
>>34582133What's wrong with UBW route?
>>34597303really?It's been a few years since I read it but the only big infodump I remember is the one where they explain Shirou how the grail and servants work in the Fate route.
>>34597130Eh, just let the player choose her personality.Money is what it is.
>>34597130that's like half the servants in FGO anonjust look at lancer artoria and her alter, literal blackholes of personality.
>>34582133>Fate Shirou is also my favorite Shiroudo you really like autism that much?
>>34597403>he doesn't enjoy autism in its full glory
>>34597403Isn't that why we're here?
>>34592495Somehow I felt the same way about it.
>they didn't get taiga in thisYou had ONE fucking job. Guessing the budget for this was really fucking low.
>>34597952>No Illyawhat's the point?
>>34597403Maybe my memory is failing me, what part of him was especially autistic in that route?
>>34595071She getting ready for a panty inspection from Sakura.
>>34598103TM is a small indie company bro
What do you guys think about the stuff F/GO introduced in the lore, namely Beasts and Grands?
>>34598122That scene where he has a meltdown and leaves Saber alone in the bridge, only to come back later and find she's still standing there is peak autism for both of them. Great scene.
>>34598183>BeastsOkay as concepts I guess, the fact that they have to love humanity is retarded and kino, very Nasu-like.>Grands Fucking retarded, makes little to no sense and the grand servants are pretty fucking lame, just how the fuck is Romulus grand lancer. Hassan is ok tho.Almost everything of F/GO is shit. I like the lostbelt concept tho.
>>34598183Most of the lore I hear from Go people sounds retarded.
>>34598224Almost everything from*
>>34598183The lore is arguably worse than the characters or the setting.It is so overblown and cartoonish.It makes Notes seem reasonable.
>>34597130you dont need a personality when brain dead coomers will drop money for you based on your skin tight suit.
>>34598224>how the fuck is Romulus grand lancerwho else
>>34598183Beasts make my pee pee hard so they're all right. Don't care about the lore.
>>34598183I don't think about it at all.
>>34598188I think it's one of the better pieces of writing Nasu did. Shirou is a kid after all, and not a particularly bright one at that. He has trouble putting his emotions into words, and so does Saber. It's easy to write a super eloquent main character who has it all figured out and would've schooled Saber on everything she got wrong (after all, the writer understands fully why she's wrong), and Shiki was actually that kind of a character to some extent, but Nasu didn't do that here.
>>34598183Stop talking about FGO on here and go to the other places to talk about it.
>>34601114This is the type moon thread. Stop making up rules, there's no reason to be so elitist especially when the question wasn't about the game itself
>>34601142>This is the type moon threadyes, it is
>>34601270What exactly did you expect to prove by making this post?
>>34601290that this is the type moon thread
>>34601301Do you have some brain damage that caused you to forget that Nasu wrote for F/GO?
>>34601320how much? like 1% of the entire thing? pfff
>>34601142It is a waste of time to ask a question you know the response will be to./tmg/ simply is not the place to go to talk about that.
>>34597403Yes.I also love swords and I have read several books about them.
>>34601383Retarded post>>34601398>a question you know the response will be to.To which I know the response. And it's not me who asked, I'm just really annoyed that there has to be multiple people bitching about anything they don't like, when you can easily just ignore the one post in the thread about F/GO.
>>34601423you yourself could easily just ignore the one post in the thread bitching about F/GO posts, but you didn't
>>34601406Recommend me some. I want to get into sword autism.
>>34601446Well yeah, it's annoying. They won't stop if they can spew stupid shit that is blatantly wrong and nobody calls them out for it
>>34601453>http://myarmoury.com/feature_books_team.html>http://myarmoury.com/feature_books_nihonto.htmlThose are two good lists, the first one isn't dedicated exclusively to swords but it has several sword centric books in it. The second is a list of japanese books on swords, to add to that list I'd recommend "The Art of the Japanese Sword: The Craft of Swordmaking and its Appreciation", it's kind of an updated version of "The Craft of the Japanese Sword", it's made by the same authors too. Some other very good books to read are, "The Sword: Form and Thought", "The Sword and the Crucible" by Alan Williams, which is a book that goes in-depth into the metallurgy of european swords, and I'd also recommend "The Knight and the Blast Furnace", it's focused more on the metallurgy of european armor though the information in it is still very useful, and on the topic of armour there is a good list for it here:>https://knyghterrant.com/index.php/recommendations/books/armor-books/I also recommend checking that guy's youtube channel out, it's very good, he also other lists on other topics such as medieval leatherworking and hunting. Another youtube channel I really like that talks a lot about swords is Scholagladiatoria, I highly recommend you take a look at it. And finally, just check out the myArmoury website in general, it's forums have a great deal of knowledge, also check the Features section, it contains a lot of articles on a variety of topics related to historical arms and armour, and it also has some book lists on a few other topics such as polearms.
>>34601602One more thing to add, if you get interested in archaeometallurgy I highly recommend Radomir Pleiner's works, I've read a book by him called "The Celtic Sword" and I thought it was really good, I found it on academia.edu. You can find a lot of the books, though not all of them, on sites such as Z-Library, libgen and sci-hub.
>>34601602>>34601626Nice, thank you. This kind of stuff is surprisingly hard to find if you don't know where to start looking, so I'll check these out.
Anything regarding you know what belongs on /vg/ if you want actual discussion.Posting about it here is plain stupidity.
>>34602015So we're not allowed to discuss Fate/Grand Carnival when that airs because you're allergic to popular things?
>>34602051Not him but yes.
>>34602051I never said not allowed, I'm saying it does not lead to anything worthwhile.FGC makes me sick if you were wondering, but CP is quite flawed as well.
>>34602051>Fate/Grand Carnivaldiscount carnival phantasm for gachatards
>>34602051>because you're allergic to popular things?In this case the most popular thing is cancer, and there is already plenty of other places to discuss it.Things we talk about here are plenty popular enough.
>>34602135Oh, fuck off, Carnival Phantasm was great.
Gachapiggies get out.
>Have 2 boards to discuss gacha shit on /vg/>Don't>Come to the one place you know you'll get attacked for discussing it>Discuss it
>>34602641People here tend to discuss the discussion more than FGO itself.
>>34602641That's a hot pic
>>34602641This is the only place on 4chan you can hope to discuss Fate stuff while being ontopic, without being submerged by shitposters.
>>34604385BS, I see on rails Fate discussions across the site often.
>>34602641when the gacha is brought up here is usually to discuss lore and related stuff. We almost never shitpost about which gacha servant we want to impregnate or other shit that the /vg/ general discusses all day, everyday.
>>34598827if Grands are supposed to be the peak servant of the class then it should be Cu Chulainn, after all he's the most famous lance wielder in mythology.But since it's a retarded concept Nasu came with long after the VN we have to engage in mental gymnastic after mental gymnastic to say Romulus is actually peak lancer.
>>34606840>after all he's the most famous lance wielder in mythology.lmao
>>34606840I'd say Longinus is the most legendary lancer in history, although it's less for his prowess in battle and more for who he pierced.
No need to get your knickers in a twist, each class has multiple potential Grands. Your favourites are probably also candidates.
>>34607169My favorite is Artoria. If she doesn't become Grand Saber, someone will burn down DW's offices, and his name will be Takashi Takeuchi.
>>34607010name 1 (uno) mythological/historical lance wielder more famous than Cu Chulainn
>>34607169I don't see redman becoming grand archer anytime soon
>>34607230It's gonna be Musashi bro, you will clap and you will coom to her dorky personality and big tits.
>>34607265Because he's Grand Saber. He's in the Archer class to contain his power.
>>34606840>>34607248That's probably true but literally only because of F/SN. I've fucking never heard of Cu before F/SN.
>>34607313Read a book
>>34607357Nobody cares about obscure irish myths mate.
>>34607248odin/longinus/poseidonand then again, I don't remember being a grand being about fame
>>34607486Gods can't be servants you dummy
For real though, who could be Grand Saber other than Arthur? The only one that comes to mind are Musashi and Kojiro.
>>34607628It's gonna be Musashi but actually male this time.
>>34607523>what is romulus
>>34607628No one. Artoria is the main heroine of Fate, everyone expects her to become a Grand, simply because she deserves it more than any other servant for meta reasons. If she’s not a Grand, Nasu will have a fuckton of explaining to do, and I doubt he would pull off something like that. Not only should she become a Grand servant, but she should also be the strongest Grand servant. Anything less would be disrespectful to Fate’s legacy.
>>34607792>wobbly fist>grand servant material
>>34607735Romulus rose to divinity, he wasn't born a god. Same deal as Heracles.
>>34607927Don't think too much about it
>>34607927I could also say Stheno and Euryale. They've justified those already.
shiki can kill saber with one slice ez pz, grand servant my ass
>>34608002As if Shiki could even touch Saber
>>34608002My shiki could easily kill your shiki
Is Void fast enough to cut Seiba?
Y'all crackas don't even welcome brothas and sistas to the community
>>34608358Sorry but Type-Moon requires reading.
>>34608300Saber has Instinct and understands sword combat better than anyone, you’d have to be more than fast to strike her with a bladed weapon. If Sasaki didn’t manage, I don’t see why Void could.And that’s if she doesn’t have Avalon, which would make her literally invincible.
>>34608437>gets BTFO by an autistic kid throwing knivespsst nothing personel, "king of knights"
>>34608583You mean Hassan?
>>34608437>understands sword combat better than anyonelmao
The fact that we're finally getting another Melty Blood is great, but where's my Unlimited Codes sequel?
>>34608604He means triple crane blade works or something I believe.
>>34608621The fact that they made a great fighting based on Tsukihime, which barely had any fights, but the only Fate fighting game, which had lots of fight, turned out to be mediocre still baffles me.
>>34608437Void shiki connected to the route so all she has to do is use its record of everything to learn/understand Kuzuki's assassin technique. GG seiba
It's canon that, given enough mana, Seiba could literally one-shot things even Gods couldn't deal with.
>>34608691can redman project void's connnection to the root?
>>34608691Avalon is magical immortality. If Saber has it, trying to kill her is like trying to kill Arcueid at night, there wouldn't even be any lines of death to cut.
>>34608732>trying to kill her is like trying to kill Arcueid at night, there wouldn't even be any lines of death to cut.Did Nasu confirm this anywhere? It's probably in some old interview I guess.
>>34608693she can't unseal excaliburalso sakura gave her limitless mana and she still lost
>>34608763>she can't unseal excaliburwhy?is there an explanation on why she didn't remove Excalibur's seals in the VN aside from "Nasu came up with that later"?
Is there any good art of Luvia as a mage?
>>346087321. Prep command seals in advance using the record's knowledge.2. Use mystic eyes to kill the contract with saber's master.3. Force a contract like caster did.4. Order Avalon to be removed.5. GG seiba
>>34608806I like this illustration from the first case files book.
>>34608851Waver gets to fuck THAT?
>>34608851Yea, thats the kind of thing im looking for. Just in color and ideally of her by herself.
>>34608867>Waver gets to fuckno
>>34608867>>34608883Waver is just gay.
My wife, me and her boyfriend
>>34608621At this point, Fate's cast grew to such fucking size that making a fighting game must be hard as shit. Maybe only something based on FGO, using Arcade's assets. Those are some damn good assets, by the way.>>34608655They got really lucky with French Bread in the development role. Those guys were a small doujin circle back then, but they put a ton of effort into Melty Blood. Unlimited Codes was developed by Eighting and Cavia, famous for shitty licensed games and pre-Automata Yoko Taro games.
>EinzbernDesign the whole fucking grail system and the head of the family even kills herself to complete it.>MatouComes up with the command seals. Without them, the entire system/concept wouldn't work in the first place.>Tohsakalol here's some land bro
>>34608938To be fair, it was some damn good land.
>>34608899Reminder:>Artoria and Guinevere were not lovers, but mere comrades playing a part. Guinevere running away with Lancelot was treason, but nothing more.>Arthur was Guinevere's lover. Guinevere made him an actual, literal cuck.
If I had a system for generating magic in the TM-verse, would you guys be up for testing it out?
>>34609019Is the reason caster has an obsession with saber the belief that she could relate to getting cucked?
>>34609024Anon, don't tell me your system is some shit like sucking out the souls of the guinea pigs that sign up.
>>34609045I refuse to comment. But on your end it would be essentially just playtesting the magic system for an RPG or whatever, where you try and create spells or rituals or whatever using the system provided.
>>34608903>Maybe only something based on FGOOh, then I don't want it anymore.Original/hollow, Prisma Illya or maybe EXTRA please.
>>34608789because she can't do it against just anyone
>>34609105>Prisma Illyayou're not any better than F/GOfags
>>34609157There's nothing wrong with Prisma Illya.
>>34609105I'd rather have FGO rather than memeshit like Prisma Illya.
>>34609278Everything about Prisma Illya is wrong
>>34608751Can Shiki kill Projections? Can she kill NPs? Can she kill explosions?
>>34609907Doesn't she literally kill an explosion in Future Gospel?
>>34609988Oh wait or maybe it was literally the future the other guy pre-determined. My memory is fuzzy.
>>34610018She kills the future he "locked in place"
>>34609157at least prisma gave me uooh doujins
>>34610697FGO gave us more doujins.
>>34610703yea but they're shit and remind me of the downfall of TM.
>>34610703honestly, yeah, with so many FGO doujins it's technically nukige at this point
I like Prisma and FGO doujins.
>>34610778Its a pedophile thing, pay it no heed.
>>34609039Huh if you put it that way
>>34609039Did she know she was King Arthur in UBW?
>>34611256She probably knew everyone's identity except Archer.
>>34611256Possibly, she does comment on sabers character and has plans involving her (to defeat berserker). Also doesent she reveal it to Kojiro? Caster would probably find out there at the very least. >>34611271Well, and Gilgamesh, but does he really count? She didnt even know he was around.
The UBW anime was shit because it didn't have Kuzuki fucking Caster with buddhist analogies
One last saber before we die
>>34611693Thread not ga shinda yet.
>>34611693Threads on the jay take longer to die now
>>34598183beasts became shit as soon as kiara turned into one
>>34611693last but not the best one
>>34609441>memeshitNever fails to make me seethe.Priya is a great mahou shoujo series.
>>34612583I don't want a great mahou shoujo series fighting game, I want a Fate fighting game.
>>34612583nice meme, it's just coomer bait loli edition.On the other hand F/GO is just coomer bait.
>>34612779Maybe you should actually read/watch it instead of spouting bullshit you've heard somewhere.
>>34612875I have and it's shit, that's like saying Apocrypha is a great fantasy anime and a great addition to the Nasuverse
>>34612779>>34612930Why do you dislike Prisma Illya so much?
>>34612267I pray that we get a Fate/Far side including Saber Alter/Taiga/Dark Sakura routes.
>>34612968as he said it's mostly coomer bait and the parts that people call "good" are just a cheap HF rip-off.
>>34612994>not saber Alter/Taiga/Caster
Need Ayako route
>>34613110Shut up Rider, you dumb cuck
>>34613074Sure it has fanservice. So what?>the parts that people call "good" are just a cheap HF rip-off.I see more criticism of 3rei than praise for than anything. But regardless, I don't see what makes it so terrible. The characters are all solid and the plot is fine. It's not some masterpiece, but I don't see why anyone would hate it.
i feel like there are several aokofags right now waiting in anticipation to make a new thread
>>34613074>mostly coomer baitJust like FSN.>just a cheap HF rip-off.In some aspects I liked it better than HF which itself has at least one major flaw.Everything before drei is genuinely good.In general Hiroyama managed to turn Illya into a proper protagonist. It's a remarkable creative feat.
>>34613182>>34613297>Finally meeting anons that like Prillya beyond the uooh factor.I'm tearing up irl.
>>34613297>Just like FSN.the absolute state of pedofags
>>34613465Prisma would be the best type-moon anime if they released an edited version where they cut out everything but the scenes with Iri in them.
>>34613728We aren't even on page 10. This thread will probably last a few hours
>>34613728Anon, the holofags are not around anymore. This thread is bound to stay up for like half a day more.
will ufotable animate her route ever?
Re-reading FSN reawakened my love for Seiba. It's great. I feel like I should channel this into something productive like maybe I'll start working out again. A year in quarantine turned me into a fucking couch potato, and Seiba wouldn't appreciate that.
>>34613465I cry every time I rewatch Priya.>Illya vs Alter>the end of S1>Kuro's wish in 2wei>Miyu's internal monologue in Herz>the end of the movie>and moreMagical.
One last saber
>>34613868Based>>34613837do you think they could do it good?
Saber is a glutton.
>>34615523Then why is she so flat?
>>34615608Being a man tends to contribute to flatness.
>>34615632I bet that doesn't apply to 75% of this general
>>34615748Is /tmg/ really a 60 or 70 year old Italian man? Wait I guess in this day and age men get fat tits from drugs or whatever.
>>34615315>>34615315>do you think they could do it good?depends on how Nasu rewrites it or maybe he isn't allowed to like on the HF movies. My hopes are that if Nasu does do a rewrite like he has said he wanted to, it's done competently and adds onto the base the route provides. Personally if there was more of Saber's background as Arthur explored that would make me happy, and adding more romantic scenes would be a nice touch.
>>34613465I had to go after being called a faggot for liking it so coming back to this is pleasant.>>34614290>the end of S1>Miyu's internal monologue in HerzThese two get me every fucking time. Especially when that arrange of a New Dawn plays while Illya and Miyu are walking home holding hands. Like a fucking baby.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t877z5HX-58
>>34615767>Is /tmg/ really a 60 or 70 year old Italian man?Uhh
>>34616329False, I am italian and also ugly as sin.
>>34616607There is a beautiful person inside you, it will be revealed with self care and confidence