real old challenge:
>>187482575

I did 6 years of Japanese in primary school and high school and watched a decade of subbed anime and I didn't learn shit

>>187556861
Did you remember to run to the kitchen for a snack?

>>187556861
Was it subbed in english? explains why retard

>>187556861
the 6 years of school means you're not a beginner or intermediate so it didnt work

>>187556861
頭悪そうwww

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CHALLENGE

Take the EU Offical CEFR test in your TL and post your results here

https://academy.europa.eu/search/index.php?search=placement+test

>>187556892
Well yeah, I wasn't trying to learn Japanese it was just because I liked anime

>>187557047
watch anime in japanese subs or no subs, then you'll pick stuff up

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>>187556813
>TL Audio + Eng Subs edition

Nobody answered my question...
Please help, /lang/frens
>>187512652

>>187557120
Nothing as thorough as DS, but you can find those style of videos on youtube. Usually tagged as "comprehensible input" and "stories for beginners/intermediate/advanced" etc.

This channel is pretty good and has videos for different levels.
https://www.youtube.com/@naturlichgerman2021

>>187557092
I don't have an interest in learning Japanese, I was just responding to the OP pic

>>187557120
i don't have any reason to help you or anyone here for that matter.
Keep recommending youtube channels though, I'm saving all the ones I like for later.

>>187557204
sorry for being rude and calling you a retard

>Audio: TL
>Subtitles: NL
Who actually does this?

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>audio: TL
>subtitles: 2nd TL
>live commentary from a reaction youtuber: 3rd TL

For me it's Native Language audio with Target Language captions

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Should I learn romanian /lang/?

I tried to watch Lucky Star in English and I understood about 60% without subtitles and about 75% with them. I think anime for teenagers isn't the hardest thing but my English sucks even here. How can I improve my language? Should I just watch every series several times, write dawn and learn each prase I don't understand?

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Do you think lucid dreaming is a good way to get more time to learn?
I have barely 1.5 hours a day to actually sit down and study. You think it's worth to practice lucid dreaming so I can also study in my sleep?

>>187561168
You'd be studying things your brain comes up with, basically learning things you already know or just complete nonsense.

>>187561168
Your brain already digests what you learned during the day while you sleep automatically. This is why I try as hard as I can to get a full eight hours of sleep every night after doing inpoot, but unfortunately in my case I continue to wake up early.

>>187559515
I can't load your photo for some reason, but do you plan to live in Romania or Moldova?

>>187560527
>Should I just watch every series several times, write dawn and learn each prase I don't understand?
Yes

Damn I really like the word chez
It is weird

inpootgooning is incompatible with a high speed grammarchad lifestyle

>>187563183
Fluency is incompatible with the grammarchud lifestyle.

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>>187561958
I want a qt eastern euro wife and it's the easiest language for monolinguals like me to learn

>>187564307
Greek should be category III desu. Far easier grammar than Slavic languages.

>>187564307
Are Turkic languages easier than Finno-Ugric for English speakers?

>>187564307
that pic is based on the old unupdated FSI ranking, which should be taken with some salt either way. also German is more closely related to English than Romance languages.
I suspect the main time factor for German is all the Germanic vocab English has replaced. but Scandi languages also have many words from Germanic I think, as well as Old Norse which English barely has words from. so maybe their grammar is closer to English?
Romanian seems to be an oddball as far as Romance languages go, so I doubt it's really as easy as the others. cool though, by all means go for it.

>>187566240
the main factor is your case system.

>>187561916
>Your brain already digests
Your brain is not your intestine you food addict
>>187566240
>which should be taken with some salt either way
why? do you idiots not realize it's an actual serious language institute that published that data? a military one on top of that? what makes you arrogant dumbasses think theyre wrong?

>>187559515
Why are the numbers in the Baltics so low? Is it because a lot of them speak Russian?

>>187564307
>linguistic **and/or cultural** differences with English
Fuck, I always overlooked this idiocy, mixing some nebulous "culture" with characteristics of language itself (though it's really obvious on second thought that only this can be the reason they single out Arabic, Mandarin and Japanese out of all the diverse multitude of Eurasian languages). Now I have a legitimate reason to poke into when saying this scheme is pure retardation riddled with stereotypes unrelated to language learning and doesn't even work for its intended purpose - telling English monolinguals approximate time to learn a given language, like with the american above.

>>187567100
>do you idiots not realize it's an actual serious language institute that published that data? a military one on top of that?
I'll just remind you CIA experimented with paranormal abilities for some time, and there's an ongoing scandal in USA on Pentagon researching UFOs. Actual serious military institutions my ass. No one is safe from stupidity, so rely on your own judgement on what can be trusted and what is biased and/or scientifically unfounded dumb bullshit.

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can we stop reposting the FSI map EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THREAD and then having the SAME DISCUSSION EVERY TIME

god damn

>>187567965
Post a better map

>>187567705
>researching paranormal abilities is... LE BAD because... uhm because the heckin science man on tv says that they don't exist, ok, chud?

Challenge: bing chat edition

- Easy:
>I like to play soccer every weekend but I'm bad at it.
>Do you watch the Olympics?
>Who is your favorite athlete?

- Medium difficulty:
- Basketball is a very popular sport in Spain.
- Tennis is a sport that requires a lot of skill and stamina.
- Golf is a sport that can be played by people of all ages.

- Hard:
>Formula One is a motor racing sport that involves high-speed cars and circuits.
>Rugby is a sport that originated in England and is played by two teams of 15 players each.
>Chess is a sport that involves strategy, logic and concentration.

>>187561168
Install Luodingo and study while in line at McDonalds or taking a shit at work.

>>187569030
men hemme heptesonida putbol oynishni yaxshi körimen
siz Olimpiklarni küzetisizmu?
sizning arzuluq atlëtingiz kim?

在西班牙篮球很流行
网球需要能力而体能
各个年龄的人能打高尔夫

>>187567529
>I always overlooked this idiocy, mixing some nebulous "culture" with characteristics of language itself
They arent the only ones who know culture is a fundamental part of language, only amateurs with a dunning krugger syndrome like you think it doesnt matter

>Now I have a legitimate reason
Your feelings about what matters in learning languages is not a legitimate reason you moron, hard data is and this is what they have. Im tired of you imbeciles spewing your feelings and mental diarrhea as if they were solid theories with years of data and experience.

>to poke into when saying this scheme is pure retardation riddled with stereotypes unrelated to language learning and doesn't even work for its intended purpose - telling English monolinguals approximate time to learn a given language, like with the american above
That chart is the average time they recorded that it took English natives to learn those languages to the point of passing their exams, it has nothing to do with speculations like yours, tbey dont base that time on their feelings and mental farts like you.

Something doesnt stop being true just because you dont like it. Truth hurts after all, and that's why I think idiots like you like to believe that chart is fallse. It brings you back to reality and shatters your illusions of learning languages.
>>187567705
>I'll just remind you CIA experimented with paranormal abilities for some time
And? Are you one of those know-it-all morons who think they know everything about anything and their opinion is more important than empirical data and testing in general? Fucking idiot.

Even so, it's a false equivalency. FSI is a language institute, it's not CIA.

>>187567965
>can we stop reposting the FSI map EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THREAD and then having the SAME DISCUSSION EVERY TIME
Until you bring a better chart also based on empirical data, that is, time people actually took to learn those languages, no, that chart will continue to be posted to break the delusional people dreams here.

Linguistic comparisons and speculations on how long you would like a language to take to learn is completely irrelevant compared to documented time to learn those languages.

On a related note, i hate idealists so fucking much, long live empiricism.

>>187569030
Herausforderung: bing chat Ausgabe

Leicht:
Ich spiele gerne jedes Wochenende Fußball aber schlecht.
Guckst du die Olympische Spiele?
Wer ist dein Lieblingssportler?

Mittel:
Basketball ist sehr beliebt in Spanien.
Tennis ist ein Sport, der viel Geschick und Ausdauer erfordert.
Golf ist ein Sport, der Menschen jeden Alters spielen können.

Schwer:
Rugby ist ein Sport, der in England entsteht und in zwei Teams mit je 15 Spielern gespielt ist.
Schach ist ein Sport, der viele Strategien, Logik und Konzentration beinhaltet.

>>187569334
is that Uyghur? wtf

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Overall pretty good, but it was definitely very easy. I found that many of the bold words had obvious meanings, while some words I didn't know were not bold.
With an e-reader it's annoying to skip between the wordlist and the story, I found myself just using my phone to look up unknown words.
Don't bother with the multiple choice questions, it's easy to know whether or not you understood the stories without them. The stories themselves were fairly entertaining but I'm not sure how much my reading actually improved.
I will read the intermediate stories next.

I am liking not missing days anymore. 30 minutes is a magical number. Even if I'm falling asleep I still learn something now.

>>187571293
Yes

>>187560527
literally just input i.e. watch a lot of english content. Also, the very fact you post here means you're english is at least decent.

>>187571948
Cool, I just ordered the same book (for my TL) today.

>>187570680
>Ich spiele gerne jedes Wochenende Fußball aber schlecht.
Klingt ein bisschen unnatürlich. Besser: Ich spiele jedes Wochenende Fußball, aber ich bin schlecht darin.

>Guckst du die Olympische Spiele?
*Olympischen

>Golf ist ein Sport, der Menschen jeden Alters spielen können.
*den Menschen jedes Alters spielen können.

>Rugby ist ein Sport, der in England entsteht und in zwei Teams mit je 15 Spielern gespielt ist.
*enstanden ist
*gespielt wird

>Schach ist ein Sport, der viele Strategien, Logik und Konzentration beinhaltet.
"viele Strategien" (many strategies) kann man so sagen, aber besser klingt hier "viel Strategie" (a lot of strategy). Dein Satz klingt ein bisschen komisch, weil man denken würde "viele" bezieht sich auf alle nachfolgenden Nomen, aber nur "Strategien" ist hier im Plural.

Weiter so, Serbbro, ich bin stolz auf dich.

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Been a bit curious: what's the last thing in your TL that (You) watched?

Pic related.
>>187569030
Facile:
> J'aime jouer du foot tous les fins de semaine mais je suis mauvais pour ça.
> Regardez-vous les Jeux olympiques ?
> Qui est votre athlète préféré ?

Moyen:
> Le basket-ball est un sport très populaire en Espagne.
> Le tennis est un sport qui demande beaucoup de compétences et d'endurance.
> Le golf est un sport qui peut être joué par personnes de tous les âges.

Difficile:
> « Formula One » est un sport de course automobile qui implique des voitures à grande vitesse et des circuits.
> Le rugby est un sport qui est originé d'Angleterre et il est joué par deux équipes de quinze joueurs chacun.
> Les échecs sont un sport qui implique de stratégie, de logique et de concentration.

>>187573362
Which TL?

>>187572282
How and why are you learning it?
Took me a while to even find out what language it was

>>187574007
Korean.

Can any German explain how (and if) the Konjuntiv II is actually used in speech or if it's just written/literary.

>>187573463
Danke für die Korrektur und Ermutigung.

>>187575622
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Subjunctive/KonjunktivII.html

I read this page probably 20 times when I was learning german and trying to master the subjunctive. Check it out.

To answer your question, it is actually used in speech, and frequently at that, so you should definitely familiarize yourself with it.

>>187570680
is this your first challenge in tl?

>>187573484
the last thing i watched that was originally in tl was titane

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Passed C1 in French now. I am so goddamn close to getting an arthoe french gf now. We're all gonna make it

>>187576137
Danka.

>>187576355
I'm personally aiming for a beefy German bf so I understand.

>>187576418
Good luck on your journey, friend! Have a nice day

>>187576183
Yep. I wanted to wait another month, but I'm getting bored so I'll start slowly easing into various output activities. The language is still a giant blurry blob full of holes.

>>187574925
Nice.

>>187576355
Based.
Arthoe med gfs are patrician taste.
I WILL get a Spanish gf and I WILL be happy.

>>187576593
for how long have you been inputting?

>>187577226
Learning for about 330 days now. In terms of input hours, I don't know, only recently started tracking that, about ~141 in the last 34 days. Feels like I need another year of input at least.

My brain feel funny

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is the "gay voice" a phenomenon that exists in your language? and if so, how is it presented?

>>187569030
french
>facile
j'aime jouer du football chaque fin de semaine
regardes-tu les olympiques ?
qui est ton athlète favori ?
>moyen
le basket-ball est un sport très populaire en espagne
le tennis est un sport qui exige beaucoup de compétence et d'endurance
le golf est un sport que des gens de n'importe quel âge peuvent jouer
>difficile
la formule une est un sport motorisé qui comporte des voitures de haute vitesse et des circuits
le rugby est un sport qui a pour origine l'angleterre et qui est joué par deux équipes qui ont chacun 15 joueurs
les échecs sont un sport qui comporte la stratégie, la logique et la concentration

>>187577617
did you write your challenge only with words you know or did you look some of them up?
>>187577947
why? are you drugged?

>>187578489
>j'aime jouer du football chaque fin de semaine
...mais je suis plutôt mauvais joueur

>>187578605
J'ai fait trop de inpoot. Mon cerveau est intoxiqué par inpoot.

>>187578605
I looked up a bunch of words, even the ones I know and have encountered because I'm very unsure if I'm using them correctly. Like I said, it's a giant blurry blob at the moment. Input gives you a certain intuition, but I need a lot more hours for it to be truly reliable.

>>187578767
Mein Gehirn fühlt sich komisch an, weil ich versuche, auf Deutsch zu denken. Ich schwitze wie ein Schwein. Züruck zu Peppa Pig für noch mehr Input.

>>187578767
quand j'éprouve une sensation pareille, tout commence à se mélanger dans ma tête

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Hello again scorners, scoffers, deriders, contemners and mockers. Greetings to any good people left.

I just passed by to let you know I'm already at Stage 4 in the Dreaming Spanish roadmap. Only 3 stages left. I had my first dream in Spanish too.

I can already watch Peppa Pig efficiently and that's what I'll do, though I can also watch VisualEconomik and understand more than 80% of it
https://youtu.be/MIKIyRyIVE8

Time to marathon all 5 seasons of Peppa Pig in Castellano. If there's any good person here, please give me some link to watch season 6 and 7 as well.

The rest of you, have fun with your language learning, don't give up, I want to see your results a year from now.

>>187579396
Do continuing posting your experience. I try to check these threads for them during bathroom breaks and when I leave home.

>>187578767
Try getting 15 hours of input one day. It's a very unique experience.

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>>187576355
Très basé !

>>187579396
>>187579443
Ça doit vouloir dire que nous faisons quelque chose de bien

Tried some free writing.

Also, ich habe angefangen zu sprechen und schreiben. Keine Ahnung, ob ich bereit bin, aber es ist Zeit für ein bisschen leicht üben. Ich tat heutes Herausforderung. Es war nicht einfach und ich musste viel darüber nachdenken. Aber, ein Müttersprachler sagte, dass er stolz auf mich war. Das war sehr nett von ihm.

Schreiben, eigentlich, kommt mir viel einfacher als Sprechen. Das ist ein Zeichnet, dass ich die Worte nicht wirklich erwerbt habe. Na ja, nicht jetzt, aber ich beeile mich nicht. Es gibt Zeit. Es ist nicht so, als ich ein Prüfung oder was zu bestehen muss. Langsam und ganz ruhig.

>>187579942
Will do, Brazilbro. I actually might start Spanish soon myself in about a month and put German in passive input mode.

>>187579942
Please report back when you learn a language that isn't just a dialect of your native language.

>>187579942
Do you really have to put that much effort into spanish?

>>187556861
Nice bait nigga, i've been learning for like 2 to 3 months and i can read easy manga. If anyone in this thread aspires to learn NIHONGO just hop on djt read the grammar guides and jump straight to content

>>187580398
>Schreiben, eigentlich, kommt mir viel einfacher als Sprechen.
Mir auch. Meine Mutter, die nie eine Fremdsprache gelernt hat (oder das sogar versucht hat), war sehr überrascht, als ich ihr erzählt habe, dass ich mit meinen deutschen Freunden auf Facebook und Whatsapp korrespondiere. "Ist das nicht schwieriger als Sprechen?" Komisch, manche Ideen von einsprachigen Leuten.

>>187580707
>tfw too lazy to learn katakana and hiragana
It's over. I will be a bilingualcel for life.

>>187580524
>report back when you learn a language that isn't just a dialect of your native language
Ah, there you go, the first derider replies.
Go get a C2 certificate in Norwegian or Dutch right now if it's that easy. It's just a dialect of Germanic, no? Should be a piece of cake.
I can give at least a dozen examples of Spanish that would be incomprehensible for other Romance speakers, even Brazilians. I notice people who never achieved native-level in any language close to theirs underestimate what that entails.

>>187580590
Obviously. I guarantee not a single Romance speaker here (besides Italians, maybe) would be able to understand 100% of what Ibai says, or what these guys are saying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOFEK9gvU74

Conversely, I could speak in Portuguese in a way I can guarantee no Romance speaker other than a Brazilian would understand. I just had an interaction where I spoke at 600 WPM (10 words in 1 second), and it was a completely natural and effortless interaction between natives, so those speedy dialogues are very common.

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Did you guys know that approximately 36,000 people in the American state of Wisconsin still speak German at home?

>>187581428
>not a single Romance speaker here (besides Italians, maybe)
Excluding Spanish speakers evidently

Anyway, I have to go now.

>>187581428
>(10 words in 1 second),
lol

ishik - /iʃik/ - front
thus, ishikler, ishikke, ishikte
til - /tɨl/ - back
thus, tillar, tilgha, tilda

front and back i are not distinguished in any orthography, they are not contrastive
I hate this language sometimes

>>187580398
>Will do, Brazilbro. I actually might start Spanish soon myself in about a month and put German in passive input mode.
Oh I didn't see your message, sorry.

I have to tell you that Spanish will take just a little less than German for you since Serbian isn't a similar language to Spanish either. There is more beginner content in Spanish though, so it might be easier.

>>187580962
Ich glaube, bei Schreiben man hat mehr Zeit und Raum zu denken. Es scheint mir logisch, dass es einfacher ist. Aber, es mag sein, dass es für andere Leute, die wahrscheinlich andere Methoden benutzt haben, nicht die Fall ist. Zum Beispiel, Methoden wie ALG mit weniger Fokus auf Lesen.

>>187581428
They are classified as different languages and not as dialects for a reason. Obviously you won't be able to understand 100% of what a foreigner is saying without prior exposure to their language.
I questioned whether you really needed to put in as much effort as you are.

>>187581573
Ja, vielleicht ist das so. Ich wundere mich, ob die Muttersprache meiner Mutter etwas damit zu tun hat. Buchstabieren auf Englisch ist besonders schwierig, weil die Sprache von so vielen anderen Sprachen beeinflusst ist, und das heißt, dass die Regeln ziemlich unregulär sind. Vielleicht hat sie diese Vorstellung, weil sie noch keine Erfahrungen mit logischeren Sprachen wie Deutsch hatte.

>>187581872
>>187581734

>>187581475
Some people just can't get with the times. Wisconsin is Hmong land now, everyone knows that.

>>187581119
Portuguese and Spanish are far more closely related than German and Dutch.

How many languages are you able to translate the phrase "/lang/ is dead" into?
I can do one. Two if Bavarian counts as a separate language.
/lang/ ist tot
/lang/ is doud

>>187582029
Wow, this is actually true. There's even a Wikipedia article about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hmong_in_Wisconsin

>>187583746
/lang/ ist tot
/lang/ est mort
/lang/ est mortuum (assuming lang is neuter)

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>>187581119
>Go get a C2 certificate in Norwegian or Dutch right now if it's that easy.
I don't concern myself with useless languages. Here's my Japanese certificate though if you're interested.

>>187584612
Based.

>>187583746
Το /lang/ ψόφησε.
(El hilo de) /lang/ ha estirado la pata.
/lang/ ist verendet.

>>187584612
Respekt, brüdi. Wie lange hat das gedauert? Und mit welcher Methode?

>>187579942
Dreaming spanish is based
Agustina has the best and actually most interesting videos content-wise and she is still relatively new to the team

>>187584997
Danke. Das war ungefähr 4 Jahre nachdem ich angefangen habe Japanisch zu lernen, aber ich würde schätzen dass ich nach 2-3 Jahren fließend sprechen konnte. Meine Methode war anfangs sehr klassisch mit Lehrbuch und nachdem ich die Grundkenntnisse hatte, habe ich angefangen viele Bücher in Japanisch zu lesen und allgemein die Sprache auf mich einwirken zu lassen durch japanische Medien im Internet oder Chats mit Muttersprachlern, etc.

>>187569030
>Easy
Me gusta jugar al fútbol todos los fines de samana pero soy malo en lo.
¿Ves los Juegos Olímpicos?
¿Quién es tu deportisto favorito?

>Medium
El baloncesto es un deporte muy popular en España.
El golf es un deporte que puede jugar por personas de todas las edades.

>Hard
La Fórmula uno es un deporte de automovilismo que involucra coches con altas velocidades y circuitos.
El rugby es un deporte que se originó en Inglaterra y es practicando por dos equipos con 15 jugadores cada uno.
El ajedrez es un deporte que involucra estrategia, lógica y concentración.

>>187583746
/lang/ est mort.
/lang/ ya mutu.
/lang/ is dood (also a double if you count Afrikaans).
/lang/ es muerto.
/lang/ ist tot.
/lang/ wedi marw.
/lang/ è morto.
/lang/ sudah mati (another double when including Indonesian).
/lang/ er død (ditto, but with Danish).
/lang/ 死了。

80 new words? Done
1100 reviews? Done
Language learning?
1 more day

>>187556813
I want to learn a 3rd language but not sure if I want finnish, japanese or korean. What should I pick??

>>187588148
What are your reasons for wanting to learn each one?

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>>187588249
I read that they are similar to turkish in structure and does not have grammatical gender cancer. Finnish because who knows, maybe I can consider living there in future, japanese because anime and korean because... yeah I have no explanation for this one.

>Learning a language because you watch anime
Oh to be young again

>>187583746
The only one I can do that others haven't done before is
/Lang/ ölük
>>187587823
/lang/尸体,/lang/不在了 也可以

>>187588416
I have analyzed your posting style and determined that Japanese is the right language for you to learn. Good luck!

>>187588148
Spend a week or two dabbling and getting a taste of each, see how they feel. You don't have to commit to one right away.

>>187588975
How did I not think of this, unironically. Thanks serbro

>>187587693
>Me gusta jugar al fútbol todos los fines de samana pero soy malo en lo
pero soy malo. punto y final.

>El golf es un deporte que puede jugar por personas de todas las edades.
que se puede...
but i would say
>el golf es un deporte que pueden jugar personas de todas las edades
tho i understand its meant to help the challengedoer with the passive voice

>El rugby es un deporte que se originó en Inglaterra y es practicando por dos equipos con 15 jugadores cada uno.
... es practicado por dos equipos de 15 jugadores cada uno.

you have a couple of spelling but im sure you can see them

>>187556861
school language classes don't do anything do strike that one out.
watching anime isn't much immersion.

My lang is an isolate language, meaning it shares NOTHING with ANY other language out there. What a sad, lonely existence this is :(
ʔuk̓in̓, ɂa¢ⱡuɂk, ¢in̓nuk.

>>187591306
What is the coolest isolate language to learn? Is it true that Korean is an isolate language?

>>187591384
Korean isn't an isolate, it's part of the Koreanic family

>>187591384
Well you wouldn't find it cool, but mine is Ktunaxa. Another I know is Haida. Otherwise, Hungarian I think is.

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>>187591384
Romanian

>>187591865
Romanian is a romance language.

>>187592130
Da.

Have you guys ever taken an in person class? Look around your area, it could be a good way to meet people

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>>187556993
yeah, right, lmao
this test sucks

Anyone else find yourself forgetting noob words and having to review them over and over. Right now I feel like a person picking berries and as I move the berries fall out of my basket or something.

>>187592415
I'd like to, but taking even a single class at the local university here would be like $2000.

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>>187592130
Doesn't look like a romance language to me, tbqh

>>187592663
>Berries burst from loincloth
The issue is probably you learn those words at the start then you don't see them again for awhile due to lack of exposure. TL;DR more inpoot and use the language more, everyday.

>>187592737
Doesn't Italian have 4 cases?

>>187592737
Latin had cases.
>>187592803
No.

>>187592803
seven actually

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>>187594211
forgot the proof

>>187592737
Why no Gagauz on the map?

>>187569030
Basketball ist ein sehr beliebter Sport in Spanien.
Tennis ist ein Sport, der viel Skill und Ausdauer verlangt.
Golf ist ein Sport, der von Leuten aller Alter gespielt werden kann.

Formel 1 ist ein Automobilsport, in dem Hochgeschwindigkeitsautos und Bahnen besteht.
Rugby ist ein Sport, der aus England entstanden ist und wird von zwei fünfzehnköpfigen Mannschaften gespielt.
Schach ist ein Sport, in dem Strategie, Logik, und Konzentration besteht.

>>187592415
Alliance francaise meetups are either old retirees, or wine-mom divorcees going through a mid life crisis

>first classical Chinese lesson on Thursday
期待
文言文美也,吾须学

>>187585710
i didnt plan on consooming too much of the argentinian accent but she talks about geography instead of The Hungry Bear Eats Honey so shes been most of what i see

>>187596048
Lmao

>>187588416
i hate to be the bearer of bad news but you are not learning 3 hilariously hard languages on the basis of them not having genders

>>187596903
As you can see I need the lessons to actually speak it

>tires that grip in the wet
>tires that grip on the wet
which one is right?

why aren't genders considered cases?

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>>187597770
you had to type a captcha to post this. and you had to move it in order to read it. and maybe you failed it and had to type it again. and in the meantime, you really didnt think why that might be?

>>187597761
on, but 'the wet' is a pretty unnatural phrase if you're ending the sentence there, usually you mostly use adjectives as a noun in that way for groups of people i'd say (the rich, the famous)

>>187584612
N1って日本語能力試験の中で一番難しいの?

>>187597836
definition of cases is just a change in the same word that changes it's grammatical class
i have no idea why linguists don't apply that definition to structures that fit that definition like gender and critical marks (crase comes to mind, à vs a)

>>187597958
actually now that i think of it you were probably using wet as a noun the way you would use 'the heat', which is very unnatural and possibly wrong (at the very least, outdated)- in that case it'd be 'in'

i can't really think of a single noun that just conveys the state of wetness, your best bet is probably just 'tires that grip in wet weather'

>>187598093
そうだけど
そんなに難しい試験と言う訳でもないんだよ
とくに聴解は容易だ
ヨーロッパのC2の比じゃない

Which french parent should I adopt?
Are there any good channels about history and literature?

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what do people think of anglo accents in your language

what foreign accents sound good in your language

>>187569030
Kiswahili
>RAHISI
Napenda kucheza soka kila wikendi lakini nacheza vibaya.
Je, Unatazama olympics?
Mwanariadha unapenda zaidi ni nani?
>KATI
Basketball ni mchezo upendwa sana nchini uhispania.
Tennis ni mchezo unahitaji ufundi na nguvu mengi.
Golf ni mchezo uweza kuchezwa na watu wa kila umri.

>>187597761
On wet or in the wet

>>187597761
On the wet would need something else at the end like "grip on the wet road" (unlessing writing grip ONTO the wet) but "in the wet" can be left as is

>>187597011
Why classic Chinese and not modern?

>>187598482
>what do people think of anglo accents in your language
Sometimes comical, sometimes scary, sometimes cute if it's a woman you like
>what foreign accents sound good in your language
Italian and Spanish accents in general. Russian too (I assume all slavs and balkans would sound great in Portuguese). Arabic too, they have a particular way of speaking PT-BR but it isn't bad at all. European Portuguese have an amazing accent too, I met one and thought she was Brazilian. Japanese people speaking Portuguese don't sound bad at all either, it seems to be a very comfortable language to them, they also have a unique way of speaking you can't really notice of you haven't lived around them. Koreans sound similar as I found out recently ( https://youtu.be/3TeNiq1zXBI ).

French sounds comical (Érick Jacquin for example), American sounds comical (everyone knows how to imitate them), Israeli sounds scary. Chinese sounds comical (stereotypes because of this like ching chong ching ping pong ping). Germans sounds comical ( https://youtu.be/idmhtDO1sAA )

I say comical in a light sense, people won't mistreat you for your accent (unless youre chinese), we all like you for trying to learn our language anyway, no matter how you sound.

>>187569030
Dansk:
>I like to play soccer every weekend but I'm bad at it.
Jeg kan godt lide at spille fodbold hver weekend, men jeg er dårligt til det.
>Do you watch the Olympics?
Vil du se olympiaden/Ser du olympiaden/Plejer du at se de olympiske lege?
>Who is your favorite athlete?
Hvem er din yndlingsatlet?

>Basketball is a very popular sport in Spain.
Basketball er en meget populær sport i Spanien.
>Tennis is a sport that requires a lot of skill and stamina.
Tennis er en sport, som kræver en masse færdigheder og udholdenhed.
>Golf is a sport that can be played by people of all ages.
Golf er en sport, der kan dyrkes af folk i alle aldre.

>Formula One is a motor racing sport that involves high-speed cars and circuits.
Formel 1 er en motorsport, der rummer hurtige biler og motorbaner.
>Rugby is a sport that originated in England and is played by two teams of 15 players each.
Rugby er en sport, som stammer fra England og spilles af to hold med femten spillere på hvert hold.
>Chess is a sport that involves strategy, logic and concentration.
Skak er en sport, der rummer strategi, logik og koncentration.

>>187575622
Yes, I use it regularly. Same with Konkunktiv I for indirect speech, even though that's actually less common among uneducated cretins like me.

>>187580398
- aber es ist Zeit für ein bisschen einfache/leichte Übung.
- Ich habe die Herausforderung von heute gemacht (oder die heutige Herausforderung)
- Muttersprachler (ohne Umlaut)
- Das ist ein Zeichen, dass ich die Worte nicht wirklich erworben habe.
- Na ja, noch nicht, aber ich beeile mich nicht. Es hat Zeit.
- Es ist nicht so, als dass/ob ich eine Prüfung oder etwas anderes bestehen müsste.

Dein geschriebenes Deutsch ist auf jeden Fall richtig gut, weiter so! Finde gut, dass du dir Zeit lässt und dir keinen zu großen Stress machst, das ist mir sympathisch.


>>187598482
>what foreign accents sound good in your language
Danish, Dutch. Anglo accents are fine.

/lang/ ist in die Dunkelheit gestürtzt

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>listening to Michel Thomas spanish
>one of the students has a fucking speech impediment
Pure torture lads

>>187556993
>sign in

>>187601845
>tage til Norge så jeg kan øve mig i det danske
>alle mennesker der har en talefejl

>>187581475
>German second-most spoken if you include PA Dutch
Aber ja, wusste ich's schon. Über die Hmong nicht (dass es am zweiten Rang ist/war)

I want to "discover" a literatura outside of the typical (French, German, Italian, Russian)

Do you consider your national literature rich enough so that I learn /your/ language?

>>187603214
Danish literature is interesting.

>>187603214
Read American literature

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>it takes 725 hours to reach B2 in a lang
should i just give up /int/

>>187603928
What language are you learning? Don't give up, try to be somewhat consistent and have fun using the language you want to learn. It's important to actually use the language, and to make mistakes.

>>187603928
Is that the FSI again?
Keep in mind they train soldiers and government employees, not exactly the highest IQ bunch

>>187604033
We're on 4chan anon. Doesn't the FSI also train literal diplomats and folks like that? I'd assume those folks are smarter than the average 4channer (at least smarter than me). And IQ is only a part of learning a language, I think being somewhat socially integrated is also very important. If people don't want to talk to you irl or they don't want to talk to you, being smart does not help.

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>>187603928
you should give up if you want to give up and you should keep going if you want to keep going
theres this weird thing im noticing in the language learning community where people just do not talk about it like it takes a long time
>guys should i learn arabic or japanese
no other community has people being like 'guys, should i spend 2000 hours training the guitar or should i spend 2000 hours on learning a sport'

>>187604065
I know they're not smarter than me.
I think this changed with times though. In the past, diplomats and government employees used to be pretty smart, but lately the brain drain to the private sector has intensified.
> I think being somewhat socially integrated is also very important. If people don't want to talk to you irl or they don't want to talk to you, being smart does not help.
This is complete nonsense, you're better off learning from natives via TV than from classes. There are plenty of people who have went to classes or lived in a foreign country for years and can hardly speak their TL.

>>187604224
>This is complete nonsense, you're better off learning from natives via TV than from classes. There are plenty of people who have went to classes or lived in a foreign country for years and can hardly speak their TL.
I'm not speaking about classes, but just having "a life" and actually interacting with people in their native language. If the natives don't actually want to speak to you because you're a basement dweller or you don't have access to some natives who tolerate you for other reasons, it's gonna be tougher to actually learn a language.
>or lived in a foreign country for years and can hardly speak their TL.
Well they have to put in the work and swallow their pride. I feel what you said mostly applies to software engineers/high status people who are too proud to be bad at speaking a language and moved there for work, or people who live in their own immigrant bubbles.

>>187604422
What I said applies to most foreigners living in Japan. Including professional translators.

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>>187604157
>no other community has people being like 'guys, should i spend 2000 hours training the guitar or should i spend 2000 hours on learning a sport'
You don't need to reach C2 fluency though to speak a language

>>187604507
I have C4 fluency.

>>187604422
>I'm not speaking about classes, but just having "a life" and actually interacting with people in their native language. If the natives don't actually want to speak to you because you're a basement dweller or you don't have access to some natives who tolerate you for other reasons, it's gonna be tougher to actually learn a language.
You're wrong.
Read Myths 1 and 2
https://www.antimoon.com/other/myths.htm

>>187604544
>https://www.antimoon.com/other/myths.htm
It's just a bunch of trivialities and strawmen in my opinion. Obviously just being in a foreign country does not make you learn the language "automatically", you have to put in the effort and have to be prepared, study, and do deliberate practice.
Of course reading and writing are really important, but that's generally the prerequisite. Nobody says it's a good idea to learn just by speaking. But the reading and writing part is the easy part, because you can do that in alone your basement. Even then, it's easier to read regularly when you're actually in the foreign country (libraries and so on), and you'll also be passively exposed to signs, advertisements, flyers and other media all day. That's also input.
I really don't get what you're trying to say.

>>187604033
>this nigga dont know that FSI and DLI are different

>>187606607
That be true muh nigga. But let me axe you something, my man.
Ain't they study them languages in collaboration with the DLI? To get more data and shit?

>>187592415
No classes sadly (apart from English and French at school). But there's places at public libraries for example where you can meet volunteers who speak and practice Danish with you. That's very comfy and nice socially, and also nice getting corrected while speaking. All kinds of people there.

>>187569030
>I like to play soccer every weekend but I'm bad at it.
J'aime joeur au fotball tout week-end mais je suis trés terrible

>Do you watch the Olympics?

Vous regardez le olympiques?

>Who is your favorite athlete?
Quel est votre athlète préféré

- Medium difficulty:
- Basketball is a very popular sport in Spain.
Le basketball c'est un populaire sport en espagna

>>187599722
已经上普通话课六年了

Hey, accent phobia is holding me back. I would've studied 10 times faster if I didn't dwell so hard on the accent.
When to care and when not to care about saying something like a native?
I deliberately go to "wast el-balad" (downtown) in Amman and walk around tourist spots and see Arab tourist guides/store owners speak English to tourists and their accent is God damn awful that the British/American/European tourists just smile and act nice to not offend the Arab talker.
It's not just that their accent is bad, wrong pronunciation too.
I don't want to end up like them, but I can't waste 90% of my time perfecting my accent.
I got OCD or something.

>>187607316
Learn some IPA and phonology. Make sure you can produce and recognize sounds and stress in isolation. Then listen to a ton of native speech.
This will fix your accent problems. If you want feedback, post a vocaroo

>>187607530
This, and learn about modern transcriptions instead of basing your knowledge off 50 year old symbols
For example in modern British English, the long i is more similar to Ij than I:

>>187559515
>1/3 of anglos are bilingual
doubt

>>187607627
Presuming all migrants answered yes (25%ish of population), then the real figure is closer to 20%
And this is self reported

>>187607838
>And this is self reported
This is a big one. Lots of anglos consider themselves fluent at. Spanish or French but are A2 at best. They just recognize a few words or understand simple sentences

>>187607915
Yeah, it’s astonishing how anglos feel confident telling people that they speak a language, yet it’s probably A1, or really A2 at the absolute maximum.

>>187607963
Then they hit you with a " much ass grass eyes"

I, too, find it surprising when anglos declare themselves fluent in a language, when they speak at but A2 level.

A2 is all you need to pick up foreign girls.
Learning any further is a waste of time.

>>187608155
Jeg vil gerne sutte din pik og nulre dine kugler.

Are there any alternatives to Pimsleur/Michel Thomas for offline speaking practice?

>>187608187
>sutte
Is it sutte or suge?

>>187608227
Assimil?

>>187608260
Have always just used "at sutte ngns. pik" or "at gåned på ngn." in Danish

>>187608260
in Danish it’s Sutter pik, prutter sæd og æder grønsager

>>187608317
>>187608318
Oh I thought it was Norwegian lel

>>187608358
Those are the ones getting sucked.

>>187608305
Thanks, forgot about that.

Know any for BCS, Bulgarian or Slovene?

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>>187608369

>>187608155
You don't "need" any language skills to pick up foreign girls. But if you want to actually communicate with people you better be fluent and have as little of an accent as possible, bitch.

>>187608155
They get the ick from your bad accent and simplistic sentence structure
What now?

>>187608481
>bad accent and simplistic sentence structure
hot

>>187608930
you think ficki-ficki merkelmännurduits is hot? loool

>>187608972
No, but Danish men talking a bit of German is very cute and also hot, I don't care if they use the wrong case or article. It's nice if he can order a drink in German.

>>187609036
I'm pretty sure Danish people are just hot in general

best way to translate 4.5 terabytes of text into latin? mostly english, but also every other language ever written.

Am i just retarded or is Japanese fucking impenetrable

>>187583746
ẁurdah /lang/

>>187587823
>/lang/ wedi marw.
>/lang/ ya mutu.
Which languages are these?

So there's this pronunciation guide/accent reduction playlist on YouTube that is 55 videos big and the author says you should watch one video per day.
That's 55 days of learning pronunciation rules.
Should I do these 55 days and then start proper French grammar, vocab, listening, speaking, and the rest, or should I start learning French right now and just listen to actual natives pronuncing words and using my ear to imitate the sounds as best as I can?

>>187603928
>>187604065
https://www.reddit.com/r/Spanish/comments/wqusu3/24_wks_1300_hrs_of_spanish_at_fsi_what_ive_learned/

>>187607963
>Yeah, it’s astonishing how people feel confident telling people that they speak a language, yet it’s probably A1, or really A2 at the absolute maximum.
ftfy

>>187598221
I mainly watch documentaries and the like. Haven't found any channels of literature yet.

You might like Reportages et investigations, immersion - reportages et documentaires and Brut.

>>187609461
Both

>>187609962
Link?

>>187603928
Takes way more than that. Those are "classroom" hours.
>>187604033
Memory retention and lack of procrastination matter way more than pattern recognition when learning a language.

>>187610627
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzGVV5fG6Ec&list=PL_bt5rj27IIURNkDOqtNfyM9JclJPdwsh&pp=iAQB

>>187612124
how about you just start learning first and worry about shit later.

>>187612158
Jordanon will never start learning shit

>>187612124
Merci

>>187612456
It’s beyond a meme at this point. lol

Página nueve

>>187614023
estamos en siete tio

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>La nouvelle de leur mariage m'a ébouriffée.

is ist ébouriffée because the me here is female?

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I've fucking done it lads.

I've finished five thousand words in less than three months. I'm going to go and get drunk now.

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It's nearly two o'clock as well, hay tiempo por una cerveza o due

Now that the ankigooner and ALGserb have both finished their initial autism I'd be delighted to see some output

>>187559515
it's pretty hard, filled with exceptions and garbage grammar

go for it if it tickles your fancy

>>187616000
No puedo soy un imbecil

>>187616112
shouldn't that be estoy

>>187615899
That random day that I missed is when I thought I wanted to learn Russian and got instantly filtered

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it's weird how I can almost understand everything but I can barely speak russian

>>187616294
Not if it's a profession

>>187616104
>Some of the aspects that make Romanian hard to learn are its grammatical foibles: the form of nouns are prone to change depending on their relationship to the verb. This is common in languages like Polish and Russian, but isn't seen in the other Romance languages.
Romanians, your Romanic status is getting very questionable...

>>187616358
What you're watching?

>>187616294
No. You need to use ser for characteristics that define someone, even if those characteristics can change over time (e.g weight). You say "Soy gordo", not "Estoy gordo".

>>187616367
just a little bit of gaslighting :3

>>187615899
i kneel

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congrats m8

>>187617317
>>187615899
meant for


also, I similarly got filtered by russian

>>187616449
Ackchyually that's a bad example because I've heard people say "Estoy gordo" irl

>>187615899
>due tomorrow: 1,161 reviews
I take it you're not stopping now

Es el comienzo. Por las días siguiente estoy empezando para crear un deck basado de un libro grámatica por todo las reglas de español.

>>187618284
No, I'm going to wait two weeks and then start a mining deck for reading after the review count becomes something sensible

>>187618314
>las días siguiente
>estoy empezando para crear
>un libro grámatica
>todo las reglas
clearly you need it lmfao

>>187618412
Lmao.

>>187618412
>a beginner in a language makes mistakes
Wow you sure got him

>>187618534
he could have studied (some) grammar from the start but he did ankigooning instead and now has 10000(?) words that he can't put together into a correct sentence

seems a little counterintuitive does it not

>>187618643
I mean, it's not the method I would have chosen, but its better than nothing

>>187618643
Grammar is something to deal with when you can read the example sentences without needing a translation.

>>187618846
how will you be able to read example sentences if you don't know grammar doe

>>187618946
Video guides and articles for the immediate gaps you're missing.

It's a completely different experience going back to a grammar book after a few months armed with the vocabulary and basic explanations rather than depending on the translation to highlight the grammatical feature and its explanation. Unironically I wouldn't recommend 'studying' grammar until you've consumed enough of the language for a set period

>>187618846
You don't need to know thousands of words to read example sentences thoughever

>>187619148
how is reading a Spanish description of say el imperfecto any different to reading the English description
the only point you have is relying on a translation, which you won't need if you do any vocab study before opening the book because they make those example sentences as simple as possible
idgi

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>>187617790
Coping fatties.

>>187619321
Verb tenses are different, they're an essential feature which is required in order to grasp the meaning of a sentence and should be learnt without any complexity (video guides). But the complexities of a language's grammar can only really be grasped when you're confident in reading said rules without needing a translation. Likewise, it's the same for word definitions. Once you no longer need a translation dictionary and simply a dixtionary in your TL you know you're at the stage where you're ready to learn the nuances of the language.

Besides, there's another issue of feeling confident in your own ability when you can translate the example sentences without need of a translation.

>>187619564
>But the complexities of a language's grammar can only really be grasped when you're confident in reading said rules without needing a translation.
why?

>>187619552
but hes right tho...
soy gordo feels weird actually. estoy gordo is better
sorry elladabro

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brudis...

>>187619670
French learner: Anglo
German learner: probably some impoverished slav

>>187619627
You're no longer thinking using your native language rules, you no longer depend on the translation to infer the logic and are ready to grasp it as is.

This should be one of the first aims for anyone learning their TL to be honest, and I've seen it said in the past.

>>187619660
"Soy gordo" has twice as many results in google than "Estoy gordo", though.
Limiting the search to .es sites seems to have a similar amount of results.

>>187619670
Nice picture... NOT!!!! Go back to website

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>>187619708
so true in my experience

>>187619670
I was on a date last year and somehow french came up and the girl was impressed I knew so much about it (not really but to her) and excitedly said something to the effect "Oh wow you can speak french"

The look of disappointment when I said no but I actually can speak german...

Any tip to self-learn the speaking part of a German B1-B2 test? Say, Goethe.
So, not real fluency, just to pass the test.
I tried joining a German learning discord, but most of the people in the voice chat are Pajeets.
Language exchange is difficult, because Indonesian is not a popular target language, and I'm a male.
Paid speaking practice group like Deutsch Gym doesn't fit my schedule.

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>>187619670
>women find him repulsive
since when do we care about what women say?

>>187619744
people usually say estoy godo because they believe they can get thinner
soy gordo would therefore mean "i am fat in nature" so unless youre a fat unmoveable whale you would say estoy gordo

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>>187619670
>Learner of both

>>187600258
Danke, brüdi. Du bist eigentlich der netteste Kerl in diesem Faden. Ich mache mir keinen Stress, weil ich weiß, dass ich mehr Stunden Input brauche. Obwohl, es ist mir peinlich Fehler zu machen, akzeptiere ich, dass es Teil des Prozesses ist. Zum Glück, es ist Anonym.

>>187607316
The reason those guys have a terrible accent is because they don't care. They just wanna sell some stuff on the market to tourists. All it takes to have a good accent is caring enough to practice matching your speech to whatever is you want to sound like. And you can do that at the end, when you've already acquired the language and want to perfect it. So, no need to stress about it now.

>>187616000
>ALGserb

Digga, ich bin kein ALGchad. Anki und Input sind meine Lieblingsmethoden, aber Grammatik ist richtig böse und wird dein Gehirn kaputmachen. Unterschätze Peppa Pig nicht!

>>187620021
Vale, si "estar gordo" suena más lógico, entonces tengo que ceder.

seriously though i do need translation to latin

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>>187619986
note that a learner might have more tips than a native speaker, but here are some ideas
>So, not real fluency, just to pass the test.
it seems in the speaking part you have to improvise, so you probably can't really learn only for the test, you need some general proficiency. but B1 shouldn't be too hard and somewhat forgiving.
>Any tip to self-learn the speaking part of a German B1-B2 test?
listening to native speakers I guess, such as Easy German on Youtube. you can also repeat after them (shadowing) to practice speaking, or read aloud texts.
>express your opinion and make suggestions
learn how you can do that and what words/phrases/constructions you can use.
>you will be required to respond to questions
learn the different question words and the word order in questions (main verb first or after the question word). and learn how you can answer those, e.g.
>Wofür ist das? - Das ist dafür, dass...
if you're unsure about your speaking you can share vocaroo recordings here. you can do challenges to get feedback on your grammar and wording.

>Bonjour mon amis, ajourd'hui c'est un très chaud jour, pour le petit dèjeuner, je voudrais pain avec beurer, un café et une orange.

I didn't look up to say this, is there anything wrong or weird about it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L9Uia16zjA
We needed something like this

>>187620935
the corrections you're gonna get, like in this post, are mostly about grammar. your vocab seems pretty good already.
do you want those or do you only want to be told about words you used incorrectly? I'm not gonna tell you about grammar if you want to figure it out on your own.

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Heard a customer speaking Georgian on the phone at work. Said "Gamarjoba" to her and she was really happy. I love learning languages

why why why so few resources for cantonese compared to mandarin there are still hundreds of millions of people that speak it why don't they want anyone else to learn it

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>tfw you start to anticipate the separated prefix of trennbar verbs in german speech when you hear the first part of the verb at the beginning of the sentence

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>>187622827
basiert
I imagine that's some rather advanced intuition. you have to know what separable prefixes and the verbs the make are commonly associated with a base verb and realise that the base verb itself cannot be enough in context.

I thought Kalle fucked off

>>187619670
>hat Soziale Angst
Ja, ein bisschen. Außerdem, richtig introvertiert und möglicherweise autistisch.
>schlechte Bildung
Ich habe drei Jahre Uni gemacht, dann habe ich ein Job bekommen. Ich habe leider nicht abschließen, und habe es nicht vor, um ehrlich zu sein.
>Frauen finden ihn repulsiv
Wahrscheinlich, aber es ist mir egal.
>schwul für Hitler
Ich interessiere mich nicht für Politik.
>rassistisch
Ich hasse die anderen Rassen nicht, aber bin ich auch nicht verrückt genug zu denken, dass wir alle gleich sind, und dass, es keine biologischen Unterschiede zwischen die Rassen gibt. Schätze ich, das gilt als rassistisch.

>>187621978
I don't wanna take away too much of your time correcting my shitposts. I'd prefer no grammar explanations, just the corrected sentences like in your last post.

>>187622827
It's really nothing difficult to deal with, Mark Twain can fuck right off that fucking midwit. We use it to a limited extent in English and it's nothing confusing.
>I would like to split you two up
For example

>>187619960
Basic whores who drink Starbucks love French and France, they've never been and don't know anything about culture, history or language. Nothing lost

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>>187619708
>French learner: Anglo
>German learner: probably some impoverished slav
Kek no truer statment has been said than this

>>187623493
>I'd prefer no grammar explanations, just the corrected sentences like in your last post.
sorry, forgot to say that the guy you replied to wasn't me.
roger that. saves me a lot of time too.

>>187622827
It's really not that hard, unless the sentence is deliberately set up as a dumb punchline.

>>187619744
>>187620987
Further limiting the search to forums from Spain, the ratio of "estoy gordo" to "soy gordo" is 6:1, which is quite a stark difference.

I need everything you guys have on French, and I mean all of it. Books, shows, youtubers, anything (except literal porn please, let's be civil here).

>>187623615
yeah, phrasal verbs in English are like mini separable verbs, so theoretically English speakers should have an easier time with it than speakers of many other languages.
with phrasal verbs only the object can be in between, but the object could be complex and long too, though in that case you'd often prefer to use the connected form.

>>187623615
>Mark Twain can fuck right off that fucking midwit.
what, what did he do

>>187624359
He got filtered, hard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Awful_German_Language

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>facgce
how would (you) pronounce this?

is romanian fun

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>>187625027
φάκ'γξε