reminder to protect your integrity at all costs
>>168976135bruh I"M DEAD
>>168976135What a chad.
>>168976135These guys have the combined brain capacity of a walnut
>>168976135oh my god i fucking love that shit i fucking love rules and order. im so sick of the stupid street shit FUCK that felt good to watch. much love for my asian brothers, legit the only other race i feel very comfy with.
Asian bros, we need to protect ourselves from these white thugs
>>168976135Vietnamese chad just can't stop winning against Americans.
>>168976201That was a zoomer moment kek
>>168976135>that calmed “I’m dead”
>oh shit nigga he's stabbing me i'm deadI like how you can see white shirt in the reflection of the soda fridge consider going back for his friend around but then say fuck it and keep running
it's like he got hit with a dodgeball"I'm out bro, I'm out!"
This is a case of disproportionate violence but I'm so sick of people thinking they can walk all over Asians
>Zoomer criminals are a thing now I hate this timeline.
>>168976201>>168976495Glad I'm not the only one that laughed. Literally the funniest shit I've seen in a while.
>>168976135he'll probably get charged for this, he attacked the guy first
https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1659752498076252.webmFull video.>Sorry, this wasn't my idea, don't let me die..
>>168976135First time someone said that zoomer "i'm dead" line and meant it.
>>168976135Race war when?
>>168976549He could claim he didn't know if the guys were armed and that he saw the hopping over the counter as an aggressive action.
>>168976553Poor boy, he was nothing but a kid. May he rest in peace.
>>168976601did you write this kek
>>168976608Apparently, he survived
>>168976543>give me yo money fr fr on my life i kill you no cap!
>>168976601I'd like to see this white nationalist's reaction when a white police officer shoots him for being a nigger
>>168976638Damn, one more criminal still around.
>>168976638Well hope that changed his mind, and instead focuses in a life free from crime
>>168976664>stabbed in the spineThe only thing his life will be focused on is shitting into a pan
>>168976638https://snbc13.com/ian-miles-cheong-1-dead-robbery-stabbing-at-asian-smoke-shop-in-las-vegas/Nigga he dead.
>>168976289>>168976311Any of you niggas have that video of an indian woman beating the shit out of a white robber?
>>168976638Died, this is officially a snuff video
>>168976664Considering how dumb those guys acted, he'll be back hitting the same store in a few months.
Josh Luna’s thoughts on this?
Man poltards are already flooding all comment sites.https://networkinvegas.com/employee-wards-off-three-robbers-with-a-knife-stabs-one-multiple-times-at-las-vegas-smoke-shop/
>>168976553>NY>"bruh I'm dead fr fr"fucked up as it may be... its hard not to laugh honestly... NY niggas will understand
>>168976721link not talkinghow about this classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvaAAkIAWZg
>>168976785>Las Vegasis there a difference? not being sarcastic... I have never been in Las Vegas yet all I hear about living there is a shithole (if you aren't rich, or a sugar baby.)
>>168976135Lmao /pol/ is trying to claim this as an anti-white hate crime
>>168976815wait really link it I wanna laugh
>>168976812>living there is a shithole (if you aren't rich, or a sugar baby.)Yep, most soulless fake ass city in americat. vegan
did they release the names of the white perpetrators.
>>168976857The guy that got stabbed was underage so his information is secretThe other two haven't been caught
Do people really rob stores without guns? Like you enter a store with a mask and just ask the cashier for money
>>168976135Looks like I'm watching a sitcom kekNo way these niggas ever robbed before
>>168976952He was justified
>>168976815May they all similarly fuck around and find out.
>>168976135why are people celebrating someone stabing a teenageer to death? kinda gross, americans are crazy
>>168977025americans worship violence
>>168977025Americans are unironically mentaly ill
>>168976135Why would you rob a place without weapons? You're just asking for a kicking.
Weirdest part of this video is that none of them have a gun
>why are people celebrating someone stabing a teenageer to death? kinda gross, americans are crazy
>>168977025Lots of Americans are on edge due to a pretty high uptick in robbery/vandalism/etc and all the defund the police & release prisoner programs going on.American individualism means if you are a criminal you aren't treated as a victim and seen as a legitimate target for 50% of americans. da brice of freedum and all that.
>>168977025Anyone robbing a store is going nowhere good in life. It's getting rid of one bad apple, while sending a message to the rest.If everyone who robbed believed there was a reasonable chance of getting stabbed, robberies would fall by 75%.
>>168976135Why does this Thai always make shit threads with shit webms? He knows a better version exists out there, but he'll continuously use shit webms.
>>168977057These guys clearly didn't know what they were doing in any respect
>>168977025psychotic asian americans
>>168977135>If everyone who robbed believed there was a reasonable chance of getting stabbed, robberies would fall by 75%.no everyone would just take a gun to rob a store
>>168976721>>168976793She's not Indian.
>>168977105Isn't the "defunding" of the police going on super mild most of the time?Can't police departments sell all their tacticool toys and tanks to pay for policemen salaries or whatever the fuck they're bitching about?
>Umm, why didn't he just let those nice white teenagers rob him? They just wanted some money and smokes, not need to be aggressive over it. They were good boys. They were graduating at the top of their grade. They went to church. They didn't do nothing! Lock the store owner up and throw away the keys!
>>168977025He didn't die.
>>168977025I'm sick of white violence against Asians in this country
>>168977154The ease of robbery is what makes it compelling, and every fence you create is a substantial deterrent. "We can just walk in, smash and grab" suddenly becomes "Whoa bro, we can't just rob a place, we need a gun, and then we could murder people, and that's jail for life" etc.Increase inconvenience, and raise the risk level, and suddenly, grabbing $10 of merchandise doesn't seem worth it.
>>168977169defund the police are reaching 20-50% in some major cities. more than that though, cops are literally afraid of doing anything and now just lets crime happen.property crime uptick is underreported because nobody reports anymore. shit like daylight armed robberies are happening more than ever and people now just leave their cars empty and open so it doesn't get smashed.you have NO idea how fast the west coast regressed. its fucked up. watch this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb_-18apdkk&ab_channel=NickJohnson
>>168976638he took a stab right at the base of the cervical spine. he was fucking donezo
>>168977025>why are people celebrating someone stabing a teenageer to death? deadass gross frfr
>>168977025I agree. These guys were still young and had time to change. Now they never will.My brother robbed a store when he was a young man and faced the proper consequences. Now he has a family and is a proper member of society. Incidents like these always make me sad.
>>168977135Kind of ESL question. Wasn't it just a theft? Robbery is forceful theft with deadly force, I.e. knife, gun, etc.
>>168977135>If everyone who robbed believed there was a reasonable chance of getting stabbed, robberies would fall by 75%.this is so 3rd world mentality. In first world countries you don't pull out guns or knives if a kid steals a candybar, you report it to the police and they track them down, like any normal person. Maybe America, which has a lot higher crime rates than Europe, should try to learn something
>>168976135excessive use of force in self-defense, the clerk should be given a life sentenceno need to kill a person just because they were trying to steal a few bucks
>>168976553>don't let me die, sir>shut up
Whitebros... how do we put this chingchong in prison? He killed one of our own...
>>168977371by the voice I think the guy who got stabbed is "Hispanic"
>Robbers had no weapons>Made no threats>Went over the counter for merchandise, not to attack the clerk>Clerk claims self defense but there is no reasonable threat against him>Keeps stabbing the robber when he collapses to the ground>Immediately makes a post on reddit bragging about how he stabbed the guyHe's done for
>>168977371excessive violence on unarmed attacker
>>168977342>omgosh why can't America learn to be like us civilized Europeans and our nanny states and 0 punishmentnah fuck off. european soy laws like 7 years for murder and probation for armed robbery won't fly when you deal with the type of criminals you find in america.
>>168976711>https://snbc13.com/ian-miles-cheong-1-dead-robbery-stabbing-at-asian-smoke-shop-in-las-vegas/>>Nigga he dead.Title says he died but then the article says the third suspect's survival is unknown?
>>168976274They're most definitely drugged up
>>168977420i don't think you understand america, he will be celebratedalso making reddit post is not illegal
>>168977420In america, simply feeling unsafe is considered a valid defense for any use of force, excessive or not. At least if you're a cop.
>>168976711>>168977431This is some dogshit indonesian "news" site lmao
>>168977431>ian miles cheongthis is that altright faggot isn't it?
>>168977451public reception is not American law. Its Vegas it could go either way. I'm not going to judge. IDK what I would do. his reddit antics are not going to help.
>>168977342We don't give a shit about what Europeans think
>>168977420This is Nevada lmao. You can legally shoot somebody on your lawn.
>>168977152I think they were gunning for that mass robbery thing that niggas do, except there's just 2 of em.
>>168976711What the hell does Ian Miles Cheong have to do with anything
>>168977482In this day and age people with literally ANY measly claim to fame strike with a reddit thread while the iron is hot. It's nothing special.
Proud of my Asian bros
>weak has-been countries crying about excessive forcefucker leaped over the counter to rob someone. you have no fucking clue if they're armed. yeah, he could pop over the counter, grab something and flee, or he could pop over the counter, stab you, then grab something and flee.if someone has the balls to just leap over the counter to rob you, you assume they're overconfident because of a weapon.fucking retard got what was coming, and this is coming from someone who was temporarily poor because I tried to help a criminal rehabilitate
>>168976201He thought he was on voicechat in fortnite.
>>168977420nevada is a hanging state. usually that means criminals are treated like shit and self-defense laws and castle doctrine is pretty strong. good chance nothing happens or a slap on the wrist.
>>168977420>>Robbers had no weaponsHe had no way of knowing this. >>Made no threatsRobbery is a threat. >>Went over the counter for merchandise, not to attack the clerkRobbery is an attack and he had no way of knowing if they would attack his person when they jumped over.>>Clerk claims self defense but there is no reasonable threat against himlol>>Keeps stabbing the robber when he collapses to the groundHe dragged him to the front and called 911.>makes a post on redditcringe
>>168977553you're better off saying nothing and have a lawyer say your still traumatized.
>>168977556this is europe
>>168977451>>168977462It's moreso the reddit shit. He was bragging and making jokes. If he did feel like he was legitimately threatened, he would either be in shock or really shaken. Self defense, at least here, is only justified when it's used to prevent death or seriously bodily harm to yourself or someone else Instead he stabbed some unarmed teen while he was collapsing and then went to laugh about it. He's fucked.
>>168977591The cops are going to shrug this off and riceman is going to get off scott free or with a very minor fine.
>>168977582If he was threatened then why was he so nonchalant about the whole thing? Also, why would a robber conceal his weapon the whole time even after the money has been taken? Makes no senseAlso you don't stab someone 8 times and put them in a headlock for self defense
>>168977610Nah. In retarded first world countries maybe, but here we're fucking based
>>168977428>>168977493Have fun with your 3rd world level crime rates. When you want to learn something from the adults, instead of acting like cavemen, sit-down and be humble
>>168977667Mate, as the robber went to flee away the clerk grabbed him by his jumper, pulled him BACK and stabbed him in the neck 3 times.Even in America that isn't self defense or stand your ground
>>168977655what are you, a fucking forensic psychologist? you want him to cry and have PTSD to prove something to you? he wasted some shady fuckers, end of story>you dont stab someone 8 times and put them in a headlock for self defenseholy fuck the arrogance. you a combat expert? have a lot of cqb experience? what the fuck would you know about anything, you'd roll over and let them stab you in the throat before even considering self defense
This is why white and Asian men are weak betas. A black guy would have just thrown hands and knocked these guys out, kicked them out and taught them a lesson . A white shop owner would have shot at them and claimed self defense and this Asian sweep fucking stabbed a teenage kid to death over this shit. Fucking pussies manKek imagine being so weak and feminine that your a fully grown adult and need a weapon to overpower a teenager
>>168977704that concept applies with shooting people in the back for self defense, when they are at a reasonable distance while fleeing. someone violently turning around while being stabbed is a completely different storyalso, if you nitpick it that much, every single self defense case is horseshit then. obviously every human being is going to flinch, dive, duck, or run after being shot or stabbed.
>>168977713the stabbed guy did miss his punch, he had one shot but i mean he was already very stabbed at that pointwhiteoids gotta learn somehowif you cant do the time dont do the crime, the time being multiple knife wounds
>>168977689you don't really get it though. european culture is very collective and conformists, europeans are use to following the rules and routine. americans are impossible to rule given that they were a country built on an anti-government insurgency and individualism and justifies getting rich as the best goal in life, which makes crime more common and deadly. putting european crime laws and staycation jails in anerica would be as much as a disaster as it would be in afghanistan because criminals would give no fucks.
>>168977342>this is so 3rd world mentality. In first world countries you don't pull out guns or knives if a kid steals a candybar,Did you not watch the video? The clerk didn't run after the guy who just grabbed something off the counter. He only engaged after one robber hops the counter, the clerk not knowing what the robbers going to do rightfully engages. Fuck off hibernian kike
>>168976601lol, a chicanx wrote this
>>168977635Nah, he's probably fucked. I'm rooting for him, but it looks bad.
>>168977713>A black guy would have just thrown hands and knocked these guys outt. doesn't actually live near blacksyou sound like a bumbling white fucktard stereotyping them for your blacked fetish. they rely on jumping people and using pure hit and run and overwhelming numbers. you don't know shit
>>168977763>ambushed from behindasians..
>>168976135Why is /int/ talking about this so much? Some fucking asshole got rightfully stabbed. Whatever.
>>168977753>>168977763this is the nigger that spams interracial shit here and autistically keeps track of interracial couples he sees in toronto.he's an autistic unemployed blackcel. don't feed him.
>>168977711Yeah, because he stabbed the guy and then went on to reddit to gloat about how eager he was to buy a gun so he could shoot more robbers and how Valourant and CSGO had trained himHe's a fucking nutcaseConsidering that he robber was some small, fat Mexican teen who was RUNNING AWAY, you have no reason to stab someone 8 times, pull them back to stab them in the neck and then choke them out. Retard.>>168977752>obviously every human being is going to flinch, dive, duck, or run after being shot or stabbed.Exactly. Which means there was no continuing threat. He was running. The clerk then becomes the aggressor for continuing to attack the guy who obviously didn't have a weapon.
>>168977667Apparently not. https://youtu.be/pnmO5OD__BM
>>168977795/pol/ is having a shitfit because the guy that got stabbed was huwhyte.It's spilling over to /int/ unfortunately.
>>168977833that was cause the guy was black it's obvious
>>168977790he's the most recognizable leaf because of his retarded way of typing. he's a blackcel that autistically posts about interracial couples and black guys since he admitted to it before that he lives vicariously through them.just don't respond.
>>168976135This is why Vietnam people are most strong race in Asia
>>168977610>He was bragging and making jokes. Not when he was being robbed lmao>If he did feel like he was legitimately threatened, he would either be in shock or really shakenHe was threatened. He isn't now. Fucking armchair psychologist condemning someone for being composed, jesus christ>>168977655>If he was threatened then why was he so nonchalant about the whole thing?See above. Not being visibly emotional isn't a crime. >why would a robber conceal his weapon the whole time even after the money has been takenBecause cocky zoomers are braindead? Because they don't think they need to draw their knives or guns on some clerk when there's two of them? Because the guy wanted both hands free to grab shit? Who knows. You don't have time to play a guessing game when you're being robbed. You should assume your assailant is armed no matter what country you're in and this was in fucking America kek>Also you don't stab someone 8 timesIt did its job, so I guess you do if that's all you have. Ideally, you shoot them dead. Then again, stabbing him avoided potential ricochets. >headlock for self defenseThat was just to drag him. He could've choked him out if he wanted.
>>168977420people itt dont know law. there is a significant probability that that the clerk will face jail time considering he was not expressly attacked but rather attacked the robber first whilst the robber's back was semi-turned against him and the other one was leaving after being asked to. considering this is nevada, his sentence will not be severe, but he will most probably face jail time
Not sure how I feel about this.
>>168977342This shit only works because you have low crime rates in the first place. I'm 100% with the fats on this one.Play stupid games win stupid prizes
>>168977825all you're doing is shaming with hindsight. you think someone in the heat of fighting is going to stop and think "gee, I should probably stop what I'm doing". that's why the only big no-no in self defense is shooting someone fleeing you, at distance, in the back. that's when you absolutely know you're safe, but you continue fighting back. in a close range hand-to-hand fight, none of that shit applies. you're just using all your present knowledge to shame someone who had to rely on no information
>>168977769>european culture is very collective and conformists, europeans are use to following the rules and routine.its not about following laws. Its that we're not fucking psychos to stab someone over stealing something when we know we live in the 21st century not the stone age and any shop merchandise stolen will be payed back through insurance anyway
>>168977875People don't instantly go back to calm and collected after being in a robbery and then stabbing someone in the neck and killing them lmao are you for real? If he was actually in danger, he'd be shaken, like anyone would be if a group of robbers pointed guns or knives at you. Have you read the reddit threat?Bloke said stabbing game him the same adrenaline as playing league, and that he'd learned to stay calm from playing league tooHe'd bought a knife he owns in CSGO tooCunt was relishing in it, he wasn't in danger and he knew it. If he was in danger, he wouldn't have lightheartedly said "can I at least keep the change"If this was a real fucking robbery he'd be cowering. He jumped and attack defenseless, unarmed teenagers and went for their necks.He's a fucking psycho
>>168977935>any shop merchandise stolen will be payed back through insurance anywayyeah, chain stores with multi-billion dollar international franchises maybe. but smash and grabs can easily ruin individually-run stores.the scum could've robbed a chain pharmacy like the other shitheads do, and nobody would do anything, cause that's how the culture is now. but they picked a man's personal business.
>>168977935It's actually just because you'd get assfucked by the law + you're docile.
>>168977925He had a small knife, it's the same concept as shooting someone in the back.You're omitting the part where he LUNGED at the fleeing robber, grabbed his jumper and pulled him back to stab him in the THROATThat is not self defense, that is aggression. If it was self defense he would've backed off after seeing him run, not continued to hack at his throat and choke him out.
>>168977234Because of this comment I now want more violence toward Asians
>>168976711>Ian Miles Cheong
>>168976135>>168976553The shop keeper is now on reddit incriminating himself btw
>stabs you for stealing a breeze pro>gets stabbed for stealing a breeze proBoth of them are retarded. The robbers more so but the clerk attacked first which is going to be very hard to defend in court
>>168977935fine i'll just admit it.you just don't have stone age people in your country who will literally shoot you for turning into the wrong neighborhood and who will do shit like this because theft under 200 is no longer an offense.this is what we have in america. its also why walkable cities just won't work here. t. american on vacation
LMAO HE SAID THIS IN THE REDDIT AMANOT ARCHIVED>I actually called the police right after the video ended. I wasn't afraid of anything.>I wasn't afraid of anythingSelf defense bros...
>>168977965I think modern media has over-depicted PTSD. throughout history, men have slaughtered each other, and many have gone to great lengths to torture other men before killing them. an average guy not being disturbed by combat is not really remarkable. most of human history is on this guy's side. it's only the modern conception of men being deeply lost in muh feelz about violence is where you draw your idea from
>>168978032why does cowering like a faggot have to be a prerequisite for defense. having your life threatened doesn't necessitate fear. stop projecting yourself.
americans hate each otherthey don't like different race peoplebut they are indoctrinated by schools, society, and media to develop a positive attitude toward multiculturalism so they can't shake the racial anxiety paradoxically, the reason south korea's crime rate is extremely low is because we have the freedom to express negative views about multiculturalism and multiracialism
>>168978007my man just leave this thread and always remember that americans are the type to actually want to get hit by a car/get in a gunfight to sue/enact stand your ground because they are all neurotic egoistical maniacs that believe theyre the MCs in superhero movies. youve got better things to do than posting here. there is a significant probability the asian will get arrested
>>168978040Mate, anyone who defended their life in self defense would be shaken after stabbing someone in the throat to death while they screamed You're not a hard cunt, have you ever killed someone?
I don't think the store owner will walk free from this. He won't get a really harsh sentence but it'll probably get some community service or whatever
>>168978088trying to turn the tables when you're the one LARPing as a close-quarters combat expert who would most certainly incapacitate people in the most legal and clean way possiblefuck off
>>168978083Seriously? You guys actually fantasize about killing people? Jesus christ you're fucked up
Reddit thread makes him seem like a sociopath and incel
>>168978123So that's a no. LMAO fuck off NEET. Even paid soldiers are traumatized after killing someone by shooting them, let alone stabbing someone in the neck to death.
>>168978150again, trying to turn the tables. sad really. defending criminals, we'll see where that leads you in life.
>>168978150asian people have no soulswe all know thisSEAmonkeys literally torture baby macaques for fun
>>168978171You're literally defending a criminal lmaoI'm sane enough to see that it was a couple of spotty high schoolers that had no weapons and posed to threat while the clerk was posting on reddit gloating about how calm and unafraid he was on them, and about his CSGO knifes and valourant training he used to kill robbers by slashing their throats.You're insane.
>>168977165Not her in Britain or CanadaPunjabi women beats up a nigger
>>168978200Please come visit my city so you can get robbed and beaten to death
>>168978150Humans have killed humans for thousands of years without blinking an eye, you westoids can't seriously think this shit right? Fucking delusional.
He posts this and then DELETES IT, clearly demonstrating the he knew what a mistake it was to admit this and that he was fucked for posting it, and tried to delete clear evidence he wasn't in any dangerI get that yanks have a bad education system, but this is clear evidence he is fucked.
>>168978200I'm not going to change your mind, you're not going to change mine. At least it'll serve a lesson to all the dumbass kids out there, that there may be some hopped up CSGO tard lurking out there ready to kill.I'm happy for you, that you live in a society where you have the calm and peace to think the way you do
>>168978240>>168978241Why do fat NEETS larp as hardened army vets? Neither of you have attacked let alone killed someone. Done with this thread lol, you asians will be making threads seething when he's charged
>>168978293>army man army man army manyour spec ops literally drive around with nazi and confederate flags, shooting up hog-tied prisoners of war. shut your fucking mouth you insufferable faggot
>>168977105you are american
>>168978293fat neets don't exist outside of tutorial countriestouch grass
>>168978275Police dept already said they're treating it as self-defense. You lost.
White people defend Derek Chauvin but they're convinced that this guy is a murderer lol
>>168978322I bet you feel real tough with that case of guns you've never used. Kek come back when you've shot and killed someone and you feel so great you can post about it an hour later.>>168978364>What is prosecution>What is a trial
>>168978409whippo are on his side
>>168978410actual australian men kill without feeling bad. you cry and bitch and whine and complain. nuff said
Does /int/ actually believe in self defense?If you got robbed, what would your reaction be?
>>168978410>>What is prosecution>>What is a trialFormalities.
>>168978410prosecutors only try cases when police lay charges. they get all their evidence and literally everything from the police.nevada has a very conservative justice system/police and a big frontier justice mentality.
>>168978497"Why" what? If you're getting robbed, what would your reaction be?
>>168978445this looks like vancouver and that dude looks native imo.
>>168978293go back you fat poof
Why are there so many retards on /int/?In Nevada, you can get away with HOMICIDE in stand your ground cases. This guy didn't even murder the white zoomer. People have gotten killed after accidentally stepping on somebody's lawn.
>>168978525Indonesians aren't native to Canada.
>>168978582could have fooled me.
>>168978544Happened in New Vegas iirc. So different laws.
>mentally ill psycho unnecessarily stabs to death mentally ill degenerate in a smoke shop while both parties act like they're in a video gameyep it's vegas
>>168978544Um in Nevada you can use self defense when you’re in danger but no more force than is necessary to repel.GG
>>168978582Tais are originally from China
>be harmless white teenagers>it's summer>play a harmless prank on a dumb retard>dumb retard overreacts and stabs youThis is why you need to watch out for Asian people. Arm yourself so you can defend yourself against them.
>>168977342stfu there were too violent attacks on people in italy this past weekwhy is there always some schizo with italian flag, you aren't even italian
>>168978733Fucked around and got found out
>>168978150>Even paid soldiers are traumatized after killing someoneThis is true in most cases, but for better or for worse, due to steppe admixture, Asians are genetically incapable of feeling what some might call "empathy". The trauma from a so called "traumatic situation" never registers because there simply is no associated feelings of distress or disturbance with the situation. It's why in many Chinese liveleak videos, they can literally view someone be mutilated/killed right in front of them in some kind of accident, and then walk away without so much as blinking. My ex gf was Chinese from the Shandong province, and she told me of how her grandfather killed killed a little boy that was wondering the street alone. I asked her why, and she said she didn't really know why, he was just feeling annoyed at the time and the kid was being noisy. This was in 60s China by the way, the grandfather was never indicted for murder nor was it ever followed up on. I'm always amazed by how casually they treat death. Truly an alien people worthy of study
Self defense chuds...Can I kill in self-defense? (Lethal self-defense in Nevada)Yes, but only under certain narrow circumstances. A justifiable homicide (NRS 200.120) in Nevada occurs when all the following conditions are met:1. The danger was urgent and pressing;2. The non-aggressor faced death or major bodily harm;3. A reasonable person in the non-aggressor’s position would also fear for his/her life and safety; and4. The non-aggressor was not merely acting out of revenge.In other words, killing in self-defense is lawful only when the person faces an immediate threat of being killed or seriously injured him/herself. A “bare fear” of being hurt is insufficient to justify killing in self-defense.He is done for.
>>168978791kill yourself. you have no soul, you will never be human. you will never enter heaven
>>168978855>4. The non-aggressor was not merely acting out of revenge.wut
>>168978855> I believed they were being racist towards me, > white guys committed a hate crimeshopkeeper gets away scot free
>>168978750Bro can you read flags?Thats ireland
>>168978071Because if you aren't in fear for your life you have other options.
>>168976135that I'm dead was like a last word audio clip from worms armageddon
>>168978855don't know why some aussiefag is suddenly engrossed in a culture he doesn't understand, nor understands stand-your-ground law.also, the actual code is: 1. Justifiable homicide is the killing of a human being in necessary self-defense, or in defense of an occupied habitation, an occupied motor vehicle or a person, against one who manifestly intends or endeavors to commit a crime of violence, or against any person or persons who manifestly intend and endeavor, in a violent, riotous, tumultuous or surreptitious manner, to enter the occupied habitation or occupied motor vehicle, of another for the purpose of assaulting or offering personal violence to any person dwelling or being therein.2. A person is not required to retreat before using deadly force as provided in subsection 1 if the person:(a) Is not the original aggressor;(b) Has a right to be present at the location where deadly force is used; and(c) Is not actively engaged in conduct in furtherance of criminal activity at the time deadly force is used.You're now literally making shit up to defend your deluded argument. It's alright to accept you're a far flung european nation. If you desperately want to be a copy of the UK, go on. but we are not, we fought to make ourselves not, and we have a different culture than the UK, and don't believe in their [retarded] self-defense laws. nobody is deriding you if you want to make australia full euro. but I stop the buck when you try to drag us into your histrionic pansy shit.
>>168978873Like we see in the video, the clerk runs after the fleeing robber and continues to stab him i.e. he was acting with revenge
>>168978913and this is where you're enlightened worldview is culturally insensitive. we have stand your ground culture and law, which is totally alien to your european sensibility.if you aggressively went after an aussie who did this, I wouldn't give a shit. but you're applying your idiotic cultural norms to our culture.
>>168978980It's not some big conspiracy. The difference is that Aussies are level headed humans, you are not. The clerk is clearly in the wrong and I want to see him go to jail, simple as.How can you claim self defense when the guy hopped the counter while the clerks back was turned to grab with both hands merch and then make a run for it? Where's the danger?The clerk turned, saw this, and then ran to stab him. Watch the video and read the reddit thread retard, you're embarrassing yourself.
beat off eight niggers just to post this
>>168979047and that's where we agree. you think you're level headed humans. I do not.I'm only irritated by your self-centered application of your culture to a culture that is completely alien to yours. We are not like you. You are like europe. and that's ok. and if you think we are crazy, fine. I don't give a shit. I don't have to justify our culture to europeans.
>>168977635it's the DA that makes that choice not the cops.
>>168978855>literal police state shithole with zero rights and zero freedoms>that postPottery
>>168977025play stupid games win stupid prizes
>>168977025I think killing people in a fair and honest dispute needs to be accepted to be honest.
>>168976135I greatly admire the vietnamese people.
>>168979093>You are like europeNo we're not lmao. You just wish that everyone would agree that stabbing high schoolers in the neck for stealing vapes is okay because you fantasise about gunning people down because you're a little man.>>168979112>Muh covid isolationYou have less freedoms than us and more surveillance too. Nice one
>>168976135Maybe if you live in a democrap-hole city.
>>168977420If you don't wanna die, don't commit robbery
>>168979227you're such a whiny bitch, holy shit. wahhh some criminals got wasted. cry me a river booo hooo hooo.you're like europe. just cope and accept. I don't give a shit if you aren't like us.
>>168977935>shop merchandise stolen will be payed back through insurance anywayEver own a business before? The insurance, like with any insurance such as auto or health insurance, makes sure they pay you as little as possible. That's the business of insurance of anything. They make you fill out paperwork, send people to "inspect" everything, and give you millions of excuses for not being able to compensate you for whatever reason.Also, insurance never compensates for days/weeks or permanent store closures (due to fire/incidents/etc).
>>168976135Why are ypipipoopoo so bad at robbing? You just know a based BBC looter would survive that limp-wristed aznmasculinity stab
>>168979279these people are fucking losers dude. don't waste your time. shit people defending other shit people. let them rot.
You're supposed to let them just take shit and then submit evidence to the police, who are supposed to be competent at their jobs. It's not worth escalating the situation to death ever, not for a million dollars and certainly not for a few hundred. That's how it works in the developed world anyway.
>>168979277You're not tough cuntHave you ever shot or stabbed someone?Hell, have you ever been in a real fight? No, no you haven't.
>>168979339waaahhhh the little criminal died oh my god poor little criminalyou should have used your big brain empathy and saved themwhat a tragedy! oh my god if only people understood! but no they got fucking clipped for being criminals lmao
>>168979338Americans are so incompetent that most of them live pay check to pay check. Temporarily losing money is not even an option in their minds so they can't comprehend this mentality. It's not even a poor country it's just a terrible one.
>>168977025Americans are literally unironically extremely fucked in the head.Have you seen American culture?
>>168979338>guy literally lets them take shit>nu-nigger still jumps over the counter
>>168979373So that's a no. Roaring. Hard cunt yank with his guns has never even used them LMAOThese weren't even criminalsThese were high school stoners you idiotI wouldn't go around stabbing unarmed teenagers in the throat until they died over some blunts from a store that I don't even ownThere was no danger to his life or his walletHe did it because he wanted to kill them, as he said in his reddit thread
>>168979338god the absolute hubris and arrogance.defend yourselves from fucking china "mate". that'll be an absolute hoot.
>>168979435Its good culture.
>>168979464You're doing that for us. Thank you for your upcoming service.
>>168979464Your crime stats are total dogshit, you are bad at this game. Maybe get good before you go telling other people how to play.
>>168979456>These weren't even criminals>These weren't even criminals>These weren't even criminals>These weren't even criminalsexcept when they died being a criminal LOL
>>168979486uhhh don't care? you're euro. I don't give a shit.>>168979476yeah nah "cunt"
>>168979464Your children will die for our nation and there is nothing you can do about it lmao.
>>168977025Every single event in America is interpreted as some kind of racial allegory of a higher meaning
>>168979518You have conscription lolYou WILL defend Australia
>>168977025just another weirdo r/asianmasculinity raid they've tried to force it dozens of times now
>>168979456>These weren't even criminals>These were high school stoners you idiot>They were unarmed teenagers>There was no danger to his life or his wallet>He did not jump the counter to hurt the shopkeepLet's say you're the prosecutor in court. Your job is to prove all your claims above to put the shopkeep into jail. How do you, as the prosecutor, prove that the shopkeep knew all that at the moment?
>>168979528>no not the heckin poor teenage criminal!!!>hahah your teens will die for us :)and there we have it folks!
>>168977752> violently turning aroundYou people are seriously ill LOL
>>168979546wow such a change in tone. :) begging and pleading. pathetic. your "race" should return to europe if you can't survive.
>>168979559I could tell by a glanceScrawny, timid and nervous idiots with no weapons robbing a vape store? Doesn't scream bogan or hardened criminalThen you'd pull up the reddit thread where the shopkeep admits he wasn't scared, that he was prepared and then compliment that evidence with the fact that he saw they had ski masks on, and instead of retreating to the safety of the back room, instead advanced and made some lighthearted casual comments.This clearly demonstrates he did not feel his life was in danger or that he felt threatened.
>>168979559he knew they had to weaponshe knew they were undeagehe knew 1 of them would run away before that other one jump the counterhe knew the one that jumped had no killing intent
>>168979599>>168979559Oh I get it now. You're both Asian. That's why you're so adamant to defend this psychopath, because you're all lacking empathy and humanity LMAO
>>168979680>slanders america and our great culture>LOL defend australia against china pleaseluckily americans are waking up to this attitude of foreigners
>>168979683that is the job of the prosecutor>>168979559
all the sissies itt crying over some dead commie is not a good look and if they were black they wouldnt give a shit
>>168979736Do you have any knowledge of the world?You've already pledged to defend Australia from China. You're part of the Quad too. We are your closest ally. You literally have no say, you will be fighting here if China invades.Nice try zhang, you lose.
>>168979649I honestly don't even think it matters if he felt threatened or not. Even if the cashier was a sociopath that was getting off on killing the kid, he was completely justified in what he did. If you rob a store you should expect to be killed, it shows you value your own life less than a bit of shitty merchandize.
>>168979649>I could tell by a glanceLet's pretend you didn't say that>Scrawny, timid and nervous idiots with no weapons robbing a vape store? Doesn't scream bogan or hardened criminalCrime and criminals are unpredictable. I used to regularly watched gore and crime videos in /gif/ and I've seen the most random looking people murder others. Long story short, assumptions and stereotypes are not reliable.>with no weaponsAt that moment, it's impossible for the shopkeep to know that beyond reasonable doubt. ONLY if the robbers came to the store butt naked with their hands up and slowly spun around 360 degrees a few times, could the shopkeep know for sure they have no weapons>Then you'd pull up the reddit thread where the shopkeep admits he wasn't scaredThat's the tricky part. As a person, what he said online about being not afraid hurts his "I feared for my life" argument, but in cold law, that is not evidence. Recollection is unreliable, and it is definitely unequal to what you actually felt at the moment. His lawyer will claim that it was him just having a machisimo moment online after the incident; not an actual reflection of how he felt at that moment. Again very tricky and probably will not count as evidence ad recollections are unreliable
How do we stop random assaults on old Asian people?
>>168979802Except it does because the whole thing hinges on whether it was self defense or not. Like it or not, you can't just go around murdering people for $15 of plastic garbage
>>168979796it's not about knowledge, shit for brains, it's about decency. it's about respecting the hand that guides and protects, a concept totally alien to you. keep running your mouth and showing the ingratitude of the people we are supposed to fight for
>>168979660>he knew they had to weapons>he knew they were undeage>he knew 1 of them would run away before that other one jump the counter>he knew the one that jumped had no killing intent...he did?
>>168978497>Whyactual faggot, if you brain tells you to ask why
>>168979904it's just the hypothetical prosecutor argument
>>168979872Jesus anon, just admit you've never gone outside and interacted with people. You're clueless. Also, what robber never shows his weapon in the entire robbery? He didn't even say "I have a weapon">what he said online about being not afraid hurts his "I feared for my life" argument, but in cold law, that is not evidence. Recollection is unreliable, and it is definitely unequal to what you actually felt at the moment. His lawyer will claim that it was him just having a machisimo moment online after the incident; not an actual reflection of how he felt at that moment. Again very tricky and probably will not count as evidence ad recollections are unreliableLmao you have no idea how law or evidence works.
>>168978007>you must wait till the robber has time to reach into his bag for his gun and shoots you before you start your self defenseRetard.
>>168976135this thread just prove that ytees are naturally fags... crying over this.. so pathetic I cant help but feel pity desu.. just so you wait... a hw*tey its gonna act tough in this thread.. After this nobody can't take them seriously
>>168979888We won the pacific for you, don't bullshit.You will fight for us, just as we will fight for you. Your institutions are what matter, not the American people. Everyone in the world knows how idiotic and retarded you all are, but when it comes down to it, you know how to point and shoot, and that's all that matters.You do realise that we're not thankful to you for "winning" the war like Europe is? We won and defended Australia without your help.
>>168979885>Like it or not, you can't just go around murdering people for $15 of plastic garbageYou should be able to. As far as I'm concerned, even if it's a $1.50 pack of gum you should be allowed to stab the guy to death.What is with this societal hybristrophilia and glorification of criminals? Has increased rates of childlessness resulted in people pouring all their paternal and maternal instincts towards protecting loser criminals?
>>168976135America is a PvP server.
>>168979940>He didn't even say "I have a weapon"Let's pretend you didn't say that>Also, what robber never shows his weapon in the entire robbery?Some robbers show it as soon as they come in, some show it when it matters, some have weapons but never show it during the incident. There are examples of all of these scenarios. Just go to a crime cctv thread in /gif/ and request them. Again, assumptions are unreliable.>Lmao you have no idea how law or evidence works.Last time I checked he wasn't thrown in jail for what he said on reddit. You know why? Because it's not evidence, so his self defense claims remained.
>>168980001>You should be able to. As far as I'm concerned, even if it's a $1.50 pack of gum you should be allowed to stab the guy to death.>Slit someone's throat over a pack of gumYou are legitimately deranged>>168980047>Let's pretend you didn't say thatWhy do you keep ignoring highly important admissible evidence? You've done that twice nowIf he doesn't show the weapon, and there is no knowledge of the weapon, he cannot claim to be threatened by the presence of a weapon i.e. he attacked with the knowledge the was stabbing unarmed robbers>Last time I checked he wasn't thrown in jail for what he said on reddit.Trial hasn't started yet idiotOh my god, you're embarrassing yourself so badly. Stop.
I don't like how it became about race but I also don't like the idea of just rolling over and letting someone rob you because he has heckin humanity too or whatever. This goes deep into what's wrong with western countries, they value sentimentalism over having an orderly society. There's an endless cycle of habitual criminals being punished only to receive a slap on the wrist or be released later on for them to go do it again. Why? It makes no sense. Back in the day you just got lynched and that was the end of it. That was for anyone of any race who pulled stuff like this. Before that is was the ye old local village executioner. Steal something and it's the block or the gallows. The video below really sums it up. This libtard reporter can't comprehend Singapore putting foreign drug traffickers to death for the greater good:https://youtu.be/-PXAOZwvv04
>>168976135Based kid taking out the trash
>>168977025America is half run on vigilante justice due to defubd the police bs and retarded feds/cops not doing shit sometimes plus all the gangsters and thugs running amok. So the ifea that if you do not wish to get attacmed or assaulted then you better not commit crimes was imprinted in the minds of many and alot of people conceal carry now
>>168980128>Why do you keep ignoring highly important admissible evidence?because it's not and it's pure nonsense. The shopkeep depending on the robber to announce they have a weapon FIRST in order to defend yourself from a possibly fatal event is completely unfair, inhumane nonsense.>Trial hasn't started yet idiotWe don't need the trial to see what will happen. Everything I said so far is true. The prosecutor (and you) will never be able to reliably prove beyond reasonable doubt that the shopkeep knew at that moment 100% that his life was not in danger.You will never succeed in this task. You failed. Have a nice day.
>>168980298>He gives up because he's wrongHilarious. The American classic. Come back when you know how legal proceedings work idiot.
>>168980322>you're wrong because I said soNot even an argument now? I accept your admission of defeatyou lose
>>168976135zoomie got paralyzed lol
>>168976601>the most vile sin: harming White person>The reason this poor white lad doing such "criminal" act>Jobs and wealth that only reserved for white Volkswagen at first place>Defend fellow whites to deathI love the eslness of this post, it sounds like a pajeet wrote it.
>>168980128>If he doesn't show the weapon, and there is no knowledge of the weapon, he cannot claim to be threatened by the presence of a weaponYou'd maybe have a point if the robber walked in buck naked. He wasn't. He had like 4 different sets of clothes on, a mask and a huge bag to boot. He's also living in a country where people are allowed to carry guns. There is absolutely no universe in which the shopkeeper is in the wrong for assuming the robber is armed.
>>168976601I can't tell if it's fake or not given where this is from.
>>168976135Its a shame he didn't slit his throat.
>>168977025Kys you leftoid faggot. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
>>168979486You have higher burglary rates than we do. Probably because criminals know that aussies are cucks who will let them steal stuff.
>>168980128>If he doesn't show the weapon, and there is no knowledge of the weapon, he cannot claim to be threatened by the presence of a weaponAmerica has loose self defense laws because of guns. Countless police officers died due to criminals quick drawing a pistol from their pocket and shooting the officers.That's why in America there are so many police shootings where police shoot unarmed people that suddenly reach for their pocket or glove compartment. That's why police orders suspects to slowly put their hands up and lie down
>>168978445Most /int/cels are sheltered commies that never been in a self defense situation. So, its obvious that they will spout some absolutely retarded nonsense.
>>168977025Americans are monsters, also the shop owner is going to carry that weight
>>168980767This is a Tuesday in Mexico dude. C'mon.
>>168980446If that's the case, why did he even go to engage with them? He could've ran into the back but instead he decided to approach two very comically obvious robbersThese were clearly high school kids
>>168980892Nah, generalize is meme i have found people in here saying that better being robbed than kill another human.
>>168980945>These were clearly high school kidsLet's say I disagree that the robbers "clearly 100%" looked like high school kids.Now what will you say? Also, since when did 16-18 year olds stop committing felonies? High school kids are angelic babies now? What kind of argument is "these were clearly high school kids?" Is this case personal to you for some reason?>He could've ran into the back and just let them empty the storeIf someone comes to empty your home, just watch them empty everything and just call police and file for insurance? If society was that permissive there would be no law at all, and every single shop and home in your neighborhood will be emptied. This is not a theory it's fact.
>>168980945Why should he have to run to the back? It's his store. Literally all the robbers had to do was NOT rob the store.
>the same aussie and US flag has debated the same topic for 7 hours.Damn bruh touch grass. Fr fr no cap.
>>168976135Kinda depressing if he died. Especially considering he was a minor around older guys who probably pressured the fuck out of him into doing it (which is how the cycle of petty crime goes).At the end of the day, you play stupid games and you win stupid prizes but how much fault can you put on an underage teenager who's very impressionable and probably just wanted to seem "cool".The real blame should fall on the parents and the dropkick "friends" who talked him into it.
>>168980945It's his store moron. It's his livelihood and hard earned money. He's a store owner, not some trust fund rich kid. He can't afford to have druggie white niggers rob him whenever they want a high.
>>168981374before someone replies "just get your money back from business insurance" look at >>168979279
>>168981438people were using that dogshit excuse during all the riots too
>>168980370Lmao you gave up first. No argument is warranted when you demonstrated you have no legal understanding whatsoever, you didn't even know what a trial does. You're an idiot
>>16898119316-18 yo kids don't pose a massive threat, especially without a weapon, to an mid 20s man. It certainly doesn't justify pulling the guy back while he's fleeing to hack into his neck
>stabbing an unarmed manlet in the back is peak Asian masculinitypeak reddit moment
>>168976135I'm surprised the robbers weren't niggers, like they usually are.
>>168981728The thread would be immediately deleted.
>>168981698>16-18 yo kids don't pose a massive threat,baseless assumption>to an mid 20s manThe suspect was about as tall as the shopkeep, and due to clothes his physique is unpredictable. If the robber was clearly a short child with a clearly childish voice maybe he shouldn't stab him. But that's not the case>especially without a weaponHindsight; also baseless hopeful assumption at time of incident
>>168976553chinky fucks have no compassion, yet they would be the first to go in a race warthey're outcompeted in everything but fucking ping pongthis wasn't manslaughter, this was premeditated. fucker has been waiting his whole life for this
>>168976553his VC instincts took over
>>168981666I cornered you every time, and time you just say "you don't know law" without clarifying. Post useless replies one more time and I'm going to admit that I've been baited
>>168980945Nevada is a stand-your-ground state, you have no legal duty to retreat. This applies in the case of robbery.The store owner does seem way too eager to be attacking the dude, but legally he did nothing wrong.
>>168981896>The store owner does seem way too eager to be attacking the dudethis I admit I agree with>but legally he did nothing wrong.but also this
>>168976135why are white people so incompetent?
>>168981822>Muh heckin starving vapebroStfu retard
>>168981822>no compassionHe let them take the money and they just kept pushing him. Gave them an inch and they tried to take a mile. It wasn't manslaughter, it was justice.
>>168981854>I cornered you every timeSure mate>L-lets pretend you didn't say that! HA!Move the goalposts more to "corner" me cuntDumb shit you've said:>We don't need the trial to see what will happen. >Everything I said so far is true.>Last time I checked he wasn't thrown in jail for what he said on reddit.>You know why? Because it's not evidence>what he said online about being not afraid hurts his "I feared for my life" argument, but in cold law, that is not evidenceAnd the worst one of all>Recollection is unreliable>Recollection is unreliable>Recollection is unreliableYeah mate what is the point of witnesses, what is cross examination or examination-in-chiefLMAO you're a fucking clown. You're an actual idiot and it's not worth the time to continue to argue with an American who has no real education. You lose, fundamentally>Recollection is unreliable>Recollection is unreliable>Recollection is unreliable
I will tell you something, things haven't been like the way they're now since the time things like these used to happen and this was a long time ago in the USA the Americans don't know how to react because they forgot but I will tell you something they're going on the right foot on this, you shouldn't let criminals do this with you and I will tell you something, they got what was coming for them, the moment you decide to go into someone and Rob them you're assuming a deadly risk and I will tell you something, sometimes someone does end in dead and you can only thank it's the perpetrator and now the victim who was just trying to live his life without hurting nobody so I will tell you something live your live without messing with anyone and and take care of yourself so don't catch a cold and don't get cold that's all
>>168981932In reflection, the store owner was probably very eager to attack the robber because he knew what he was doing was 100% legal.So in court they will have to factor that in
>>168977025Americans actually have the right to defend their property against criminals
>>168977215There's self defense, for which there's plenty of non-lethal self defense tools. Stinger tactical whips, sjamboks, baseball bats, pepperspray, bear spray, tasers, stun guns. As for lethal self-defense, a gun is a good deterrent, since most people won't charge at someone bearing a firearm.A knife is not a self-defense weapon. There's very little one can do with a knife that won't outright kill someone. If the opponent has a gun, a whip or baseball bat can give you the leverage needed by just bashing them. A gun will protect you at any cost. A knife isn't enough to make someone freeze in their place, unless if you're savvy enough to restrain them with it. Most often, knives used in self-defense will be used to deliver lacerations. Lacerations are probably the more deadly wounds, since gunshots have a chance to miss arteries and blunt or chemical weapons miss them altogether. If I am stabbing someone, the chance of inflicting a fatal bleeding wound is very high. Especially if I do it as much as Charlie over here
>>168977495A gun and a knife are two different things. With a gun, you can hold someone down at a range. With a knife, you have a very short window of restraining someone before you're forced into deadly combat.
>>168982149The store owner didn't get arrested. The law determined he was acting in self-defense. So yes, a knife is a self-defense weapon
>>168982182He's being investigated and will go to trial if the kid dies. If he doesn't, he's getting sued.
>>168982041Prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt that the shopkeep knew at the moment:1. They were just harmless high school kids2. They had no weapons3. Suspect had zero intentions to hurt the shopkeep when he jumped over the counterConcerning the "recollection" topic, I said it will be tricky and said in the terms of "probably." I also argued this in the perspective of the shopkeep's lawyer to present one extreme end of the argument that I didn't wholly agree with. Read again. ANYWAYS, I concede that this was the weakest thing I said, and you can tell by the way I wrote that I was not sure 100% while typing that.In addition, I'm curious why you were so fixated on the false "they were just kids" argument (which is not a valid argument). Is this a personal thing? >>168977283
>>168979338this, bank clerks are taught to hand over the contents of a cash register at first opportunitythe only thing this guy's act will ensure is that most robbers will put a cap into any store wagies' ass henceforthif I was a robber, I wouldn't risk it from now on. A gun with a towel wrapped around the nuzzle. Give the clerk his goodnight medicine and bounce
>>168982182https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Haile_Kifer_and_Nicholas_Brady?wprov=sfla1Castle Doctrine isn't as black-and-white as it seems. There's precedent for someone ambushing robbers and being jailed for excessive force. https://youtu.be/D6jukSuLBlYPic rel is an example of actual self-defense. Clerk was pushed into a corner and stared down. He responded with enough force for him to make a break for it. Our aznmasculinity hero cuck didn't make a single effort to flee. Instead, he basked in the "glory" of killing a middle schooler on fucking Reddit.
>>168982239Already did that in the thread fuckwitYou lose
>>168982448I asked the same question several times because you clearly didn't. You clearly didn't and always reverted to the "you don't know law" talking point or the trusty "they were just kids" argument.Anyways I am glad that your brother reformed and became a better family man. He's lucky that he didn't provoke a violent response from the shopkeep.
>>168982287>the only thing this guy's act will ensure is that most robbers will put a cap into any store wagies' ass henceforthThey were already doing that. Only those without the means rob stores unarmed.
>>168982441>Instead, he basked in the "glory" of killing a middle schooler on fucking Reddit.Based
>>168982448Yo, I know you're busy multitasking raging at 10+ different people in three threads about this topic, but give me some love here. Thread is about to archive so if you reply late, the best I can do is post a quick "no u" or some other low quality shit that even you don't deserve