>>137620021Why do so many irish independist also want mass 3rd world migration? What about ireland for irish?
>>137620110truuuuuuuue big facts cuh
>>137620110Were full sorry
>>137620485We actually are, I have no idea how 8 million ever lived on this islandThere must have been houses all over the shop
>>137620591I suppose that will also be used by the liberal left here as a reason why we can import millions of ngubu. Ignoring that most people lived like ten to a house before.
>>137620729Yeah they'll be spending millions building (free) housing for Africans while just ignoring the homeless crisis
>>137620776Why are they so instant on it. What's in it for them?The countries these people come from would never ever do the same for us, or anyone else. They'd tell us to fuck off. It baffles me that they choose to ingnore Mr Stabby George was a massive homophobe. Ok I get people here probably think that's based but the liberal left tds here don't think that, yet are intent on importing homophobia, especially with mudslims
Any amazon consoomers here?Nothing is available anymore on prime video and half the shit I want to buy on amazon won't deliver here.
>>137621047I used to think I understood but now I genuinely have no ideaLike importing the third world makes your country third world eventuallyMaybe they really do just want to watch the world burnIf Ireland turns Muslim it will end up being more conservative than ever, which is funnyBut the Africans coming here aren't Muslim
>>137621099Take the Amazon Germany pill
>>137621495The beat solution is to actually help others countries so they don't need to leave. End war, famine etc, family planny, corruption.I know charity begins at home and my plan might sound gay but best option in the long run. It might make us a little less off but means we won't become africa 2.0. This goes for the rest of europe, who are slot worse of than us at the moment. I suppose the plan doesn't suit the capitalist, jew etc so I can understand the conspiracies.
>>137621535Can you switch your account to german? I heard you pay delivery fees ?
>>137621662Of course I believe in helping people but how much money has been sent to Africa at this stage? Are they better off today than 20 years ago?A fun exercise is to ask normies how many is too many, or how low does the percentage of natives have to drop to before the borders are closedThey can never answer
>>137621835I think the issue here is that immigration isn't that big of an issue right now. I used to live in London and I could walk to the shops and back in the part I lived and easily not see an English person. Impossible here even in balbriggan or blanch, I don't care what anyone says.People here just assume that the Irish will always be the majority and see immigration as a nice addition. Yeah that's fine if its ever capped. I don't mind seeing different people around, as long as the majority is irish. People are deluded.
>>137622143Also the obsession with the Brits. For years it was us being the victims and we have our land back, want it back etc.Other than the north, it isn't an issue and they aren't even thinking about immigration changing the country because we got the country back from the Brits and should get the rest of it back in the next 20 years...is still the mentality.
>>137621689You can switch to German in the appOr you can type "amazon (dot) de" and then sign in normallyYeah the delivery might be more expensive but it probably works out about the same when you factor in all the taxes and customs shite that the uk site will have
College just told me they're not running the subject strand I wanted to do.I want to drop out now, but doesn't that mean I'll have to wait years before I can go back to college?
>>137622143>>137622249Yes there is a total lack of logic among Irish people"shur tis just a few of them like"They can't think more than a week into the future it seemsThey want a united Ireland because Ireland for the Irish but also not that because it's a racist statementtotally insane
How exactly do Africans move to Ireland? I remember when I was living abroad, I was fucking this japanese girl (fat whore) who wanted to move to ireland. Her options were either get a student visa or working holiday. She didnt have skills like engineering or whatever to get a work permit
>>137622917I actually don't knowsome of them are doctors but they can't all bemy brother's gf is brazilian and she only has a few months left before she could be deported
>>137620485>>137620591Have you lads never ventured out of your crack den in dublin or do you actually think that this empty, dead country is even barely populated?
>>137622999wastedI don't live in Dublin or even leinsterThere's a few old houses out here but it seems fairly well populated to me unless you want to just build a load of ugly housing estatesand besides young people around here have trouble getting houses
>>137623069Ireland is one of the most sparsely populated countries in the west and there are literal ghost towns in what used to be historical settlements. Idk how you can say we are full when there are literal ruins of 200 year old houses pretty much all over the island. The fact that before the famine there was double the people than today with all modern medicine and luxuries is telling enough. And you don't need to build housing estates to fill the place up. Renovating old stone cottages and adopting proper planning like in nicer parts of dublin where you have to build with a certain architectural consciousness to the surrounding style is the optimal solution. I mean it's like you've never heard of western Ireland and irish speaking regions dying out.
>>137623270>never heard of western Ireland and irish speaking regions dying outyeah I live there you simpletonlike I said there's a few old houses and quiet towns but that's just because all the young people moved awayI would much rather they be enticed back than just give the place up to third worlders
>>137623354>>137623270>>137623069Why not Irish maintain a dwelling in the city as well as family home in the country. We do this in the UAE
>found free country>still talk your opressors languageliteral cuck nation
>>137623354I never said bring ngubu in like. But you're not going to entice young people to move into sparsely populated areas. Jobs, infrastructure, development, entertainment facilities all establish themselves around densely populated areas. If the famine didnt happen and Ireland had normal development like most of European regions cities would be much larger, more historically developed and more numerous. Not to mention the population would be around 16 million or so.
>>137623465Aren't 90% of turks assorted anatolian and middle eastern mystery meat speaking a central asian language?
>>137623465You are literal Greeks and Arabs that got cucked so hard you pretend to be Mongols and worship a paedophile. Your nation is made up and ruined actual, better civilizations.
>>137623595>>137623621more than half of words in turkish language have arabic, persian or french origin.
>>137623417People do this here too but it's not going to do wonders for population density. The government could have managed the distribution of companies and infrsstructure better, they're doing a few things over in galway with medical equipment but outside the big centres Ireland is still dead.
>>137622917African population is actually declining here apparently. Unless the shitty 2nd g have more kids
Might get a mini keg this weekend
>Repeal the 8th, her body her choice, clump of cells>OMG look what happened in Tuam
>>137622917Irish immigration office is very loose and convenient to even non eu citizens. There are loopholes. A lot of "refugees" coming from countries with no war, people with working visas that they get renewed. Not to mention that if you live here for only 5 years you can apply for citizenship.
>>137622917Look up Alan Shatter, he set up a yearly think where free citizenships are basically given to random Nigerians. Guess his (((ethnicity)))
>>137624557>Nooo you can't have an abortion. I don't care if it won't survive outside he womb or it may kill you. The baby is a gift from God.>Let's 9000 babies die in their care
>>137620110Its because Irish nationalism, unlike say English nationalism, is all based around how much we've been fucked and Irish nationalists always love to try to prove to everyone just how pathetic and cucked our history is, this leads to all kinds of retardation
>>137624845Brazilians need to leave.
>>137624921The brown ones yes
>>137624921Do many live in Ireland?
>>137625049There are brazilians who come here with student visas. Lots of them in dublin
When I become fluent in Irish I will basically refuse to utter Sacs-Bhéarla with normies and communicate entirely through Irish>>137623465https://youtu.be/q91o5WC5plM
>>137625117How much you done?
>>137624732>muh fatal abnormality>Implying over 99% of abortions are because it's an inconvenience
>>137625280Ima bout intermediate, I'm learning 10000 words on anki which should get me to advanced
>>137624921The cute girls can stay though.
>>137625429To be fair I take it back, Brazilians are alright, never seen them cause trouble like blacks do. Brazilian also drink and seem to love places like diceys. They can just be annoying out and about but at least they are not swing knives at people and claiming muh racisms
>>137625343My point still stands. They pretend they care about children and obviously don't. I don't agree with abortion just because you want one, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the church and those that blindly follow it.
>>137623504> But you're not going to entice young people to move into sparsely populated areasThey lived happily enough here 15 years agoIt's pretty much just jobs we needThere's actually a lot of people moving into the countryside now, things might be getting better
>>137625842I think they can be assimilated as long as we don't take in too many
>>137626000No they didnt. Irish speaking regions have been declining ever since the famine
>>137621495>If Ireland turns Muslim it will end up being more conservative than ever, which is funnyYeah the only postive would be that the people who have pushed for it so much will be the ones that suffer the most
>>137621835I was actually thinking the other night, when I was in primary and secondary school every year they would have us do something for trocaire. Like the local priest would come in and some person who volunteered in Africa, they would show up a video about them building a well in Africa etc. Then say for every (X amount) we give it saves a baby or whatever. You would go round knocking on the neighbors doors or doing a sponsored walk. Now we're getting called a racist country and told we need to give more to them.
>>137625374Can you read this?B' iad sin d'fhocail, Chonail chaoin,'N uair thachair na laoich 's a' chath,'N sin bha torrunn treun nan arm;Gach buille bu gharbh, agus beum;Mar cheud òrd ag éirigh ard,Air cruaidh theallaich 's deirge caoir.
really wish the /pol/ retards would fuck off back there like omg theyre so thick
>>137626474What are the usual topics of discussion on /éire/?
>>137626615Normally about cans
Same shit every thread. Sad.
>>137626947Are you Irish?
>>137627056Yes, I'm from the north.
>>137626947If you came here everyday you'd know that that isn't true. We haven't spoke immigration is a while.It's normally takeaways and cans
Online classes hyup hyup!
>>137626300checkedwe have given them so much even though we owe them nothing>>137626472Úsáid an caighdeán le do thoil
>>137627409Yes the usual order of business is: takeaways, cans, bullying scottie and the animeposter
How come we never talk about women?
>>137629552Gabh mi na mnathan uile.
>>137628515First time ive posted in a week
>>137629552Because women hate my guts despite me not being fat or particularly ugly or stupid.
Has anyone here transferred courses in college?
>>137630698Is it annoying to do or do you just slip into another course?
>>137630785It is annoying cause your first couple of weeks will be a mess but better than wasting your time doing something you hate.
>>137631007Not him but I'm two years into an engineering courseI'm not hugely enthusiastic about it but I may as well finishI already dropped out of a languages course in first year
any trades that don't require a license?
>>137633792Have you been there?
>Speaks English>Noooo you can't say that english word.
>>137633795the sex trade
>>137634136I was there with my family but I was too scared to go inYes I was quite young at the time and though we would get trapped inside or something
Shall I join the NAVY or ARMY lads???
>>137636739navy pays better i hear
Legalize weed and prostitution.
>>137636739They don't accept autists unfortunately
Juat vaccinate me already, also the pub landlord, staff and the regulars so we can open pub and have pints.It's not hard Donnell you ugly egg head scumbag
>>137638055enjoy bells palsy
>when the choice is either take untested vaccine or eternal lockdownsI just want a pint...
>>137638396Is the atmosphere of a pub that hard to beat?
>>137638447My friend, there is nothing nicer than a quiet pub with a blazing fire and some good companyand pints of course
>>137638581It is extremely comfy, or at least it was...
>>137638636I was just looking through the news coming out of Ireland and things look to have gotten much worse....
>>137638773Cases are coming downVaccinations going upWhat could go wrong bro?
Good to see the taoiseach issue an apology for the mother and baby homes
>Abortion after birth (decades ago)WRONG, DISGUSTING, APOLOGISE RIGHT NOW>Abortion up to birth (today)A FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT, STUNNING AND BRAVE
>>137640021Throwing a born baby into spetic tank equals aborting a week old featus?
>>137641049>Throwing a born baby into spetic tankWhere's the proof of this? Is the claim that they were buried *in* a septic tank even part of the official story, as opposed to craw-thumping social media posts?
>abortion legal in dublinGood>abortion legal in IrelandBad
>>137639517They were whores
>>137642916Such a sad edgelord incel you are
>>137641049It does to me, in principle
>>137641049 I thought it was that they buried babies who died under a septic tank
Love Irish musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2fQg6nrORo
>>137644961Fuck off with your /pol/tard bait
>>137645253I've been listening to UK drill all day lmao
>>137644961They're as Irish as the scot invaders up north.
>>137645644I love the pretend London accents ahahahahahahahahahaIreland has fallen
>>137645472Not into that zoomer stuff desu
>>137644961I suppose there's a little Irish flag in the title. That's nice
>>137645719I can go days without seeing a black person
>>137646779I haven't seen a black person in months
>>137646346It's quite good background music I've discovered, fucking retarded though
>>13764742710 months for me so far
>>137647573How can you go so long without cultural enrichment?You must be very remote
>>137647764Living in the countryside, the only black things I see are sheep and heifers.
>>137647951You boggers can't lie your as bad and probably worse than Dublin I left aul Dublin a few times and saw the bog counties of meathe kildare and cork and I saw more foreigners in those bogger bits than I usually do around Dubh linn.
>>137647951How's the internet in rural Ireland? Rural Ireland seems fucking cosy ngl.
>>137647951I'm the same, it was all Irish people out here (plus a handful of poles) until two years ago when they turned a local hotel into asylum seeker accomodation
>>137648552Based. Need Dublin to spread over the entire island.
>>137648509The internet is fine, if you get fibre optic it can be pretty goodI live next to the sea and occasionally a storm will knock out the electricity also some fucker mowing a field has hit a power line twice in the pastThe water where I am can be third world tier at timesBut I absolutely love it out hereNothing beats sitting on top of the quiet cliffs on a calm summer's evening watching the sun go down
>>137648825Are you in the West?I'm planning to do a big roadtrip of our islands this summer. I've only been to Ireland as a kid and I've never been to Scotland at all.
>2051, the Afro-Irish forces of Dublin are defeated by the Confederation of Gaels at the Second Battle of Clontarf
>>137648506Well I'm not in meath, kildare or cork so I wouldn't know how bad they are.>>137648509Atrocious for years and still not great if the weather gets too windy. Where I am I can have 4G in 1 spot then move an inch from that spot and lose all signal.>>137648552That hasn't happened around me yet thankfully.
>>137649320Ahh. A lot of rural places here rely on 4G too.Maybe a decent aerial for the router would be a good investment.
>>137649320The worst thing about the asylum seekers is how everyone refers to them as "refugees"If they didn't flee a warzone they're not refugees
>>137648719this. here in scotland we are planning to turn the entire central belt into one city. needs to happen in ireland as well.
>>137649597*Pours concrete over your field then builds black flats*Alright.
>>137649675>He wants to pour concrete over the land
>They think it's Dublin or Glasgow sprawling and not actually West or North London
>>137649830>londonderry spreading outside of its containment zoneI don't want to be any closer to Derry than Strabane already is.
>>137649781no. its just the zeitgeist. you cant stop it.
>>137650335Even if that's the case, it will never happen hereThe view of the sea is just too goodIn fact I'd wager that no new houses will be constructed on this road for the foreseeable future
>>137650206Do you think Derry will decline or grow after reunification?
THERES NOTHING ON THE TV AGAIN
>>137650561I haven't watched TV of my own initiative in yearsLike I genuinely can't remember the last time I sat down, turned a TV on and started looking at the channels
>>137650422>The view of the sea is just too goodThat's what they said in Aberdeen and Trump built a Golf Course.
>>137650685youtube is even worse
>>137650725It is in some ways but at least you can choose what to watch and you don't have to sit through huge amounts of advertising
>>137650705Based Trump triggering the Scots.. I kneel.My cousin lives in Peterhead, they all hated him before he became president kek
>literally anything happens in Irish politics>Waterford Whispers forgets they're supposed to be a satire site and throws a fit about it
>>137650980Can you explain? Haven't looked at their shite in a while
>>137650926>you can choose what to watchwhat even is there to watch on it?
>>137650725>>137650926They made youtube way way way less interesting in order to stop the algorithm from creating networks of political channels which gained traction just by mathematical association of the interests of the typical viewers.The knock-on effect of that is the algorithm avoids creating suggestions to content which hasn't been verified as unproblematic for youtube, which means you typically get suggested the same cute animal video over and over again, or innumerable low-quality videos from the cottage industry of commentary, reactions, and let's plays of any piece of media you ever watched anything related to on youtube.The comments on the animal videos are even aware of it - they're saying "did anyone else watch one X animal does Y video and get nothing but that in their suggestions", because that's the only kind of video where youtube's algorithm is still actively trying to increase connectivity between videos, rather than stifle it. The thoughts of the collective viewership's "brain" were moving too fast for them to keep track of, so they shut them down to a level they could control more easily.>>137650980more like waterwork whingers
Most people in Ireland are now as anti-catholic as the dupWhere did everything go so wrong
>>137651705There's a number of good firearms, history, linguistics, culture channels that I like to watch>>137651810I noticed that when I refresh the home screen I just get the same videos every time, whereas I used to get new onesAnd Trump getting banned from virtually everything is quite scaryThe internet is now more regulated than just talking in public
>>137650980Stopped looking at that shite years ago
>>137651832I think about this a lotWe went from RTÉ refusing to air Father Ted in the mid 90s to full on abortion in 2018I just don't get how quickly such a thing can change
>>137652047>The internet is now more regulated than just talking in publicokay nigger
>>137651705Whatever your interests are there will be good content for. I'm a bit loathe to share it lest you guys troll him but there's a really comfy channel of a bong who lives a sustainable lifestyle in rural Ireland that I follow for example. I even watch random shit that I have no rl interest in, like mountainbiking and stuff.
>>137652107The internet is to blame.
>>137652201>>137652280Internet should just be bannedI wish I had a normal adolescence
>>137652107Have we even started abortions yet? Last time I checked you still need to get the boat as it's still in progress
>>137652107Probably a combination of the internet and America (which Ireland may as well be an extension of these days).
>>137652341Well we voted overwhelmingly in favour of it except for county relatedMy point is Ireland has changed drastically in just two decades
>>137652047>There's a number of good firearms, history, linguistics, culture channels that I like to watchbet theyre all gay cringey zoomer yanks or brits eww with gimmicky shit to get you to subscribe and buy their ancillary merchandise
>>137652386Yes I heard some children talking in American accents the other dayMost young Irish people are just East Yanks
>>137652438Most people don't want abortions. They are not nice.Sure they'll just get the boat anywhos
>>137652507They might've been autistic, for whatever reason it's really common for autistic people to have a bit of an American accent.
>>137652582Ban women from going on the boat, ez
>>137652507Absolute horseradish. D4 heads and maybe swords (for some unknown reason) but apart from that your talking jibberish
>>137652438>My point is Ireland has changed drastically in just two decadesold people diednow its your parents generation who are in chargeliterally just an age demographic change
>>137652600That's because they watch TV all day and don't talk to Irish people at all (except maybe their parents occasionally)My granny once said that I sounded American, this made me quite sad
>>137652658>old people diedI don't think it's just thatinformation and propaganda (everything is propaganda) had a lot to do with it in my opinion
>>137652645Not true, I’ve heard kids like that down in Waterford.
>>137652635They aren't now because of covid-19 and I don't think there is any abortion set up here yet so you have your wish Mrs Murphy
>>137652047>The internet is now more regulated than just talking in publicProbably true. People will discuss anti-vax things, for instance, in person more readily than putting it online, unless they're total boomers/schizos.The regulation of in-person speech is more consequential when it's engaged in, but the lines are clearer and there's more residual respect for keeping it from being totally silenced. Online it's fully at the mercy of the people who call the shots to shut people down. And boomers don't really understand the concept of anonymous internet speech, while status-seeking millennial-yuppies don't want it.They want to turn the internet which technologically can enable people to communicate anonymously, peer-to-peer and decentralised, back into the dark old days of centralised media where heavy-handed censorship can be presented as just editorial discretion. And because they can control which "programming" a person gets broadcasted to them on the internet, they can programme people more effectively, and create specialised variants of the NPC rather than the single variety of NPC where the programming had varying degrees of depth.Children raised on instagram and youtube by parents who ended up less tech-savvy than actual boomers and gen xers are going to be fucking lunatics.
>>137652645Maybe it's because one of my nearest settlements is a favourite of D4 holidaymakers, even though they shouldn't fucking be here right now, cunts
>>137652780You seem to be quite angry at my opinion
Watchin Operation transformation
>>137639517why do you lot go all "OH FAITH AND BEGORRAH IT WASN'T OUR FAULT THE EVIL CHURCH HAD US ALL UNDER OUR THUMB AND IF ANYONE SAYS SOCIETY PLAYED A ROLE OR THAT THINGS WEREN'T QUITE AS BAD AS SOMETIMES PAINTED THEY'RE FLITHY WHITEWASHERS" when this sort of thing happens
>tfw no metalhead gf
Watching fargo season two
>>137652954So many Irish people seem to be convinced that the Catholic Church is some sort of illuminati that's been pulling all the strings in Ireland for decades and everything bad that happens is entirely the fault of Catholicism because they said so on the news like.
>>137653142It was decent that. I couldn't get into the third series though.
>>137653210Same, actually stopped watching that one. I'm re watching season one and two. Won't bother again with three. It was garbage
>>137651832meanwhile in scotland the number of catholics increases by 5% each year and the number of protestants decreases from around 3 million in 2001 to 300,000 in 2011
>>137652954>>137653202why dont you two shut the fuck up and piss off
>>137653320Have you seen true detective? I can recommend that one too.
>>137653393Na, I'll give it a go though
>>137652954If that's not a proxy it's a highly appropriate flag for that post.
>>137652954It's pretty much how it was tho
>>137653202They believe that they are rebel underdogs fighting against le ebul catholic establishment, when in reality their kind are in charge and legislating against any form of Irish conservatism
>>137653408>hasnt seen true detective yethow? it's like one of the handful of shows actually worth watching
>>137653408It's really good. I'm not sure why fargo made me think of it, probably because they both came out around the same time since they're not that similar, but it's decent.
>>137653491>Dude I'm a reactionary lmao, not like other people my age xD
>>137653655>dood catholics bad xdddd
>>137653655Nice rebuttal of my point you useful idiot
>>137653655this. you all fight for the same zeitgeist.
Pre drinks in your parents house before all jumping in taxis and getting down the pub and ending up in mcgowan's because the bouncer knows my brother, getting pissed then ending up in bazzers house for the partyBleedin love Dublin I do
>>137653741"talk like a fookin brit you do" as well, filthy sasanach Just go to england if you love it so much
>>137653874What's so bad about us?
>>137653789I am english. I live here now, just love the dub culture...even if they don't like me hahahaha gas crack
>>137653902Nothing, just don't like fellas who defend some of that shite that happened because they have an autistic lack of empathy.
>>137654120I think Ireland was better off with the culture of the 50s and 60s
>>137653916BasedBusiness idea: 5 million of us move to Ireland and vote the Tories into power
>>137653452i guess everyone collectively hallucinated all those mother and baby homes in non-catholic countries
>>137654163An easy thing to say when you have no experience of it
mental none of you want to become like ancient Gael Allaid.
>>137654401I don't know, like the ones in Scotland and the Netherlands that the report specifically has sections on for the sake of comparison? Or the ones in England and the US?
Number of people who use Scottish Gaelic daily is expected to drop from 40,000 to 10,000 in the next decade.It will be dead as a community language by the 2040/50s, unless drastic action is taken.Thoughts?
>>137654632>Dude other people did it as wellSo what?
>>137654879What, i'm not allowed to make conversation on any topic unless you ask about first?Who do you think you are exactly?
>>137652954The loudest type of people in Ireland apart from the pure west brits/east yanks who control society, are Norf FC types in terms of background and general sophistication who posture into the Soyjak fads to meet that level of midwit cultural sophistication. They would get Notions and posture the cultural politics of the establishment-elite caste stratum, as if spouting the same shite they do bridges the so-called "class divide" in Ireland. Ironically, leaving aside the lack of intellectual merit to holding establishment political opinions for their own sake, the WB/EY shit spewed by the elite isn't even relevant as a cultural product with which engagement creates association and bonds to. It's just a script they've been fed because it's necessary to spew to keep up with the Anglo-American expectations of the globalised "western" socioeconomic elite. Notions-havers don't get any direct benefit from spouting pro-establishment opinions, unless they have the financial and schmoozer credentials to be part of the beneficiary stratum. It's all an ephemeral gain of standing in their own heads.
>>137654773Move into our Gaeltachts and assimilate, come back to your homeland
>>137654773SPASTIC11,000 people use it now.
>>137654812so it wasn't the catholic church take some fucking responsibility like the fathers didn't
>>137654930>Who do you think you are exactly?Someone who isn't in the scottish thread where they discuss scottish shit
>>137655274Based. Scotcucks get the rope.England and Ireland forever <3
>>137655243It happening in non-catholic countries doesn't absolve the church of guilt in it happening in church run institutions. Not sure how you came to that conclusion.
>>137655057have sex please
>>137655485You're clearly avoiding the actual meaning of his commentary in order to argue the very point that he's saying is flawed.
>>137655511My penis has been inside a vagina but my political views didn't change as a result
>>137655511are you a jumped up bogger/skanger, yikesey, or just a natural west brit?
>>137655543What's the actual meaning then? All I'm seeing is 'church dindu nuffin'
>>137655582sure thing schizo wasnt just another one of your warped delusions
>>137655821"church dindu erryfin"
>>137655821the meaning is that there's an awful lot of people going "irish dindu nuffin, it the evil church"
>>137656009Irish who were all catholics, so everyone involved was influenced by the doctrine of the church.
>>137656009Yeah, if the institutions had been secular institutions they'd have been brushed under the rug as similar things are elsewhere, only dredged up when it's of interest to call them "progressive", eg: "the Irish government spent public money on care homes for single mothers at a time when society was very against them and they couldn't get by in the private sector", instead of the current framing which is "the state colluded with the papist conspiracy to police morals by forcing single mothers into religious prisons where their children were stolen from them and murdered or sold to Americans".
>>137656158you're trolling, but that's the level of inane bigotry which governs the official narrative
>>137656009No they're not, why do foreigners think they can speak so authoritatively
>>137630664switched courses, but rlly im still not that happy w where i am. think i was just generally miserable but blamed it on being in the wrong course. make sure you're doing it for the right reasons i guess. i finish college in 2022 and im dreading graduation day where im gonna have to pretend i had a great time and it was all worth it.
>9000 deaths in 80 yearsSeething rage.>9000 abortions in the last 3 yearsNot a word.
>>137656394here's the special rapporteur on child protection endorsing the "it was all the evil state and church view"https://twitter.com/ConorUCCLaw/status/1349136209054994435
>>137656290>Stop criticising the abuse of women and children, bigot!
>>137656618ya maybe scroll through the responses ffstook me 10 secondsits like you lads try to be retarded
>>137655939Or maybe I'm just better than you and have penetrated a woman?
>>137656516I made a post to that effect earlier anon
is anti intellectualism a big problem in this country ? i feel like it is, at least among people i've spent time with. it can be tiring. i'm not even a particularly smart person, but i at least try to listen to people who are
>>137657176For sure, especially with regard to learning our language
>>137657221d'you think it's a colonial thing ? definitely wrt the irish language, but i wonder if on a general level people here are automatically distrustful of anyone they perceive as an authority figure. it's good to be critical i suppose. but seems sometimes like people don't even wait for a reason.
>>137656953with what your katana loooool
>>137656618>society doesn't decide to support or enable something unless the state and powerful semi-state bodies direct people toThis is more true of the modern way of dealing with unwanted children and the women who create them. (Which is definitely not killing them and making the mothers work all their lives to pay their way in the absence of a father in their lives.)Even if in general terms it could be argued that the phenomenon of higher strata influencing the behaviour of the lower strata was true of early free state era Ireland, as it is of all societies, the fact is that the free state had inherited a society which was not of its creation. But when it had it, it bears the responsibility of what went on under it.It's pretty silly to blame it all on the church, and more specifically the church's view on "morality". As if the secular opinion on lower caste and/or unwanted, unregulated procreation in the early 20th century was what their modern successors would characterise as benevolent and good.The "welfare state" hadn't been invented yet, and insofar as it had predecessors in wanting to fund unwanted children and their mothers, it was those institutions (which had been invented in England - a trailblazer in utilitarianism, Victorian prudery, and social problems caused by capitalism/urbanisation).The modern solution to the same problem, of socially engineering them to abortion but leaving a "safety net" of welfare money wasn't one which 20th century Ireland could really do, given the grinding poverty being inflicted on people who didn't break society's rules regarding procreation and burden those around them with a child whose way wasn't paid for it by its parents.
>>137657176I fucking hate people with degrees, even though I'm currently in college
>>137657522Nice projection you insecure loner lol
>>137657721why dyou think that is ?
>>137657834Well from my time in college I have met so many snobby cunts who think they know literally everythingAnd half the shit they teach you (in an arts course) is just baseless propagandaSo I have a general distrust and disdain for those who are college educated (but if it's a more technical degree I usually don't care)
>>137657176There's different kinds of "anti-intellectualism". As a defence against "notions" >>137655057 it has some merit, but most of the time it's an implanted reflex to avoid critical reflection on status quos which would be hard to defend given analysis that wasn't provided from the top down. It's blamed of course on DA CHURCH policing orthodoxy in The Bad Old Days, but the people who would go around shooting, imprisoning, or financially penalising those who had anti-status quo opinions are still around and more powerful than ever now that they've cut ties with the church of old. And the craw-thumping mean-spirited back-biting policers of orthodoxy are still around too.The other thing is that the education system is a fucking joke. It's mostly a credentialist fiction to justify the narrow availability of the valuable jobs for which the education system has been expanded into a factory to churn out workers. And on the lower end of the spectrum, it's a way to reduce the number of people who are actively looking for jobs at any given time, by giving them something else to do for three or more years. That's in addition to the years in school before third level.
>>137657999yea, meeting people like that would definitely put you off. i def think the association w snobbery and pretentious is why a lot of people who would otherwise get a lot out of courses like that, end up avoiding them. even in conversations w my friends, it feels like a bad move trying to talk more in-depth or critically about something. there is a kind of resentment you can feel similar to what you're talking about
>>137658600>it feels like a bad move trying to talk more in-depth or critically about something.About like what, for instance?
>>137658512definitely a reflexive thing. i think if i were to mention anti intellectualism to most people i talk to they would reject it entirely as a concept, or deny it applies to their behaviour.the religious angle is interesting because i've read accounts before of people whose religious teachers encouraged them to question the world around them and develop critical thinking skills. not something i've experienced directly but is a nice idea in theory i guess.wrt education, i mostly agree w what you say. i find it kinda sad. i remember watching a talk of Stewart Lee a while back where he spoke about the tendency nowadays to treat third level students as consumers rather than academics and it definitely resonated with me. the whole idea of going to college and being part of a community all invested in the same area, working together and bouncing ideas off eachother, well i do not feel that exists anymore, at least in the courses i'm taking. attitude seems to be that lecturers are required to show up a certain number of days and teach xyz, but there is no room for discussion or challenging pre established ideas or learning about something for its own sake. everything is so career focused. while i don't believe that anything that defies the status quo automatically has merit, i do think those views are extremely undervalued by the people of this country. not sure what the solution is to that.
>>137657999>And half the shit they teach you (in an arts course) is just baseless propagandaI have a history teacher who espouses the myth that the famine wasn't a genocide and she definitely seems to be on the WestBritty side of things.
>>137659178really, anything. but to give some examples:if i'm discussing w people in college some material we were taught in class, it would be unlikely for them to want to explore a particular subject any further than what we were told. they would either go along w anything the lecturer said, or if they disliked the class, would dismiss it entirely. hard to have constructive conversations about something or get people to engage w anything.even w hobbies like videogames or movies or something. people tend to just wanna say whether or not they liked something and move on. maybe i am hanging around w the wrong people or they just dont have those conversations w me idk. just feels like sometimes we are encouraged to not care about anything that's not gonna either make us feel better or advance our careers
>>137659512would you or anyone else ever challenge her on that ?
>>137659636She already gave me bad marks on an assignment that I disagreed with her points with yet on the assignment where I decide to go with her WestBritty viewpoints I got full marks.No point fucking over myself over arguing with the cunt>>137659674The Holodomor is considered a genocide, thus the famine should be one as well. Only (You) you're getting from me so enjoy it.
>>137659769>The Holodomor is considered a genocideDebatable. Even so it was a hell of a lot more deliberate of a famine what with burning and destroying their own land while the gorta mor famine was more incompetence by all parties than British people all being mustache twirling villains tryoling to destroy the Irish race and removing papism on the British isles
>>137660037Please, please, please fuck off back to England, okay lad?
>>137659769did you watch the recent documentary on it?
driving test next month lads.
>>137659296I'm not really talking about religion in terms of whether the people in it foster intellectualism or not. The record in Ireland actually does show that they did - in the free state era and earlier, Catholic groups had their own magazines and published books. There was a far wider and richer tradition of Irish intellectualism before the media narrowed to be dominated by RTE and the same two or three newspapers, as it is now.More specifically, the social restrictiveness is the issue. If someone wanted to be "intellectual" in a way that the majority religion would not support, they could be, they just might not find a very receptive audience among subscribers of that religion. And the equivalent of "hate speech" would be restricted.But given that the majority of people at the time subscribed to Catholicism, all of the Catholic-influenced social and legal restrictions on anti-Catholic/Christian/contemporary morality activism would not be an explanation for the "anti-intellectual" tendency, since they could instead choose to be intellectuals in defence of their own beliefs (as many did).What is actually more of an explanation is that Irish intellectuals, or the average Irish person who tried their hand at intellectual pursuits, would come to a conclusion that would support their place in the world as Irish people. But the logical conclusion for many of them, indeed most of the more honest intellectuals, would put them into conflict with the power of the state, and the rich who depended on that state to protect their position.
>>137659296>>137660480...That was the Free State, and its parent, the English government in Ireland. There was a flowering of intellectuals in the late 19th and early 20th century, but many of them were killed, and the rest betrayed and marginalised by the anti-national and thus anti-intellectual gombeens of the free state. Thus the common people who would have seen the independent-thinking patriots rounded up by "national army" soldiers enforcing English occupation of Ireland in the name of "Irish nationalism" would have had the prejudice against intellectualism instilled during English rule cemented by West Brit rule.The West Brits tightened rule through the consolidation of the west brit papers, the foundation of RTE and its censorship of the most important Irish issue of the day combined with its avalanche of Anglo-American content and one-sided promotion thereof.The current regime is just an extension of the old one, and that of the one before it.
>>137660252I haven't, was it good?
this nigga typing literal novels no one reading
>>137658512>craw-thumpingsounds like a word James Joyce made up
>>137660610Just the usual foreigners bad we're secretly still being controlled by the English Americans Normans and Vikings and we should all just be Irish speaking tribes in the woods they always go on about.
I for one might go out with an english wan.
>>137660577>gombeenswoah another one
>>137660816Not him but it does lol never heard anyone say it so it must be a soodo intellectual trying to look smart with complicated words no-one cares about.>>137660902Nah everyone in Ireland says gombeen
>>137660037>Famine happens>brits think "and that's a good thing"; they decide to do nothingThat's a genocide you anti-Irish retard
>>137662627>People A have a famine>People B don't bend over backwards and go without just to bail out people A >People B committed genocide against people A???????
>>137663240you're forgetting that Ireland was under British rule during the time of the famine. the welfare of our people very much came under their jurisdiction. to act like the governing forces were incompetent or were not obligated to do anything says you're extremely naive or are deliberately speaking in bad faith
>>137662627>he dosent know...the famine and the holocaust are both hoaxs the weee consturcted to make the world pity us as we wage war against eachother in the center of the earth and on the drak side of the moon. and now the joe the plastic paddy ira man is in power we call nuke those lizard bastards off the moon for good