DJT is the best Japanese language learning vtuber shitposting thread on 4chan for むっつりスケベ共 that are interested in everything Japanese (no politics >>>/pol/)Japanese speakers learning English are also welcomeThe only way to learn 日本語:1.無理があんのよ2.Don't waste time/money on ゴミ like:-Shitty apps, 英語 youtube channels, Genki, RTK, KLCC, Kanji Damage, Wanikani, Duolingo, language schools, classrooms, AJATT, JLPT, Kanji Kentei tests etc.-Awful anki decks (only 2k/6k from the OP and a simple yomichan mining deck are ok)-You shouldn't spend more than 1-2 hours on Anki as a beginner and 30 minutes max after a few months, spamming easy is fine, Anki is only good at the start to prepare you for the journey-Pitch accent (doesn't exist, you can say words however you want https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb7DRvot9Uc )-Learning how to write on paper (you can do it later once you're decent at Japanese)Avoiding these beginner traps will cut down your learning time considerably to less than 5 years if you learn every day and never give up, since the following points are what actually teaches you Japanese3.Take care of yourself, read cosmetic/toothpaste ingredients, don't use fluoride, opt for natural ingredients only4.Spend a few days getting familiar with hiragana and katakana5.A few months of Anki 2k/6k vocabulary and your favorite grammar guide while reading something easy on the side6.A few years of reading, listening, watching vtubers, shitposting in /djt/ and having your posts corrected by Jap flags, googling stuff you don't know and you're done!7.Move to Japan (optional)8.Realize there's always more to learn and the ride never ends絶対英語を学べる方法:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uix8ASglwI教材:https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/https://djtguide.neocities.org/https://jisho.org/https://www.google.co.jp/図書館:https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/librarymain.html古スレ: https://desuarchive.org/int/search/subject/Daily%20Japanese%20Thread/先スレ >>134420762
>>134444878what about them?
>>134443887Ohh, おやすみ!>>134443899Here, use this tripcode!#L]g)cO-\b]
>>134445907はい! Looks good on you!
what is the best way to watch anime while learning?right now im just watching anime i have already seen with jap subs at full speed and just following along. it helps with word recognition/vocab, but i dont think its helping to much on grammar/conjugation
>>134446141ドイツ語圏で昆虫もののエロ漫画って人気なんですか?前のスレで出てた漫画って子供のころ読んでトラウマになった。>>134446320As lines of anime contain a lot of slangy word usages (informal conjugation and such), watching itself may not contribute to your grammar study that much I think. It'd be good for word mining indeed I agree with it.
>>134443698>3.Take care of yourself, read cosmetic/toothpaste ingredients, don't use fluoride, opt for natural ingredients onlyhow much better will i get in japanese if i switch to non-floruide toothpaste?
>>134446729It's edible(食べられる) I guess.
>>134446729You will get worse because you'll have to spend additional time combating dental caries that could otherwise be spent learning Japanese
>>134446554Hey, I should be sleeping!I don't think it's popular at all. I took a look, because it has fairies in it, but I didn't like it.Now I really gotta sleep, おやすみ!
How do I do more daily?I'm currently doing 20 new words in anki, have read all of Tae Kim's guide, and am reading a decent bit of Yotsuba daily (one or two issues a day). Along with this I probably average an hour of Japanese music and an hour of (subbed) anime and I recognize several words between the both of them, sometimes even picking up entirely on what's being talked about.I guess the problem I have is that, despite doing 20 new words a day, my vocab is still very lacking. I just passed 1000 cards in the 2k/6k deck today (1010 now) so therefore I know less than 1000 words.I don't have a job for almost another full month, so can somebody give me advice on how to fill the time with more Japanese studying? I wish that brute force of more vocab would work, but I don't think it does.
>>134447122I also wanna add that the reason I don't simply read more is cause I don't know so many of the words that I have to just constantly translate it anyway to fill in gaps. I'd say I can understand 30% of the lines in Yotsuba, can infer quite a bit, but still don't know so many words that it becomes frustrating cause I don't know what's being said at all sometimes, or I feel like I'm cheating for just inferring what's being said.
Is this correct/natural sounding?>実は飲むのが好きだけどあまり飲まない。体に悪いんだね
>>134447229it's ok and sounds like you're talking about alcohol.One thing I would like to tell you is that maybe saying>体に悪いんだ*よね(like "it's bad for health, YOU KNOW")would be better instead of>体に悪いんだね (like "I heard it's bad for health")
It just dawned on me that "やつ" is basically aussie "cunt">>134446320Depends what you want out of it I guess. I'd say use subs if they're available, but just audio is probably fine too. No-subs might even be better for latching onto new pieces of vocab, even if you can't see the kanji. Having the subs is definitely nice if I want to pause/rewind and examine a sentence more closely, but if I'm watching anime, I don't want to get too bogged down; I save that kind of stuff for when I'm reading.
おはよう>>134447122you should re-read the grammar occasionally so you might pick up new understandings every time
What exactly does it mean to "cut" a word?>一度言葉を切って、続ける。
>>134455651I mean, “cut the talk, and pause a while, then continue with it”
>>134456354stop talking then continue*
>>134447122>I wish that brute force of more vocab would work, but I don't think it doesIt does. The thing you're lacking the most right now is vocabulary. Try setting anki to like 40 or 50 cards a day and spam normal or easy on reviews. It's enough to get basic familiarity with a lot of words and acquire them through immersion later on.I'd also replace the music with comprehensible input, like easy anime or slow podcasts.
I wish I was fucking dead
>>134447122>I guess the problem I have is that, despite doing 20 new words a day, my vocab is still very lacking. I just passed 1000 cards in the 2k/6k deck today (1010 now) so therefore I know less than 1000 words.>I don't have a job for almost another full month, so can somebody give me advice on how to fill the time with more Japanese studying? I wish that brute force of more vocab would work, but I don't think it does.You're screwed Anon. There's a natural limit on how much vocab you can cram and still learn effectively. You'll just need to learn to accept you'll be a slow reader for a while while your vocab naturally increases over time.
cant add 特濃 to my phone dictionary...cant add anything to my phone dictionary...google............
>>134465511It must be tough having to take a break from your neet life--that is, spending all day in this shit thread.
What does 拉 mean in 拉麺 ?
Guys i tried learning japanese a year ago, and just by small interest i only looked up a few things and i clearly remember a word i read a year ago with literally no more insight about the language between now and then, onna means girl, d-does that mean i won't have a lot of trouble memorizing kanji and if i put my back into learning this cursed language finally? I mean fuck, why didt hey have to use runes bros, i could probably nail this damn language in 6 months if weren't for them
>>134466603The runes aren't a problem at all, your lack of discipline is
>>134466748Oh no, i do have discipline, i just need something to get me going, i learned English with a dictionary alone. The problem is really the runes it demotivate me so greatly because they all look like a jumbling mess to me, so i'm trying to figure out if there will be some cheating way to remember them, because most of the times i have to even squint at screen to discern them
>>134467062you forget that children learn the language without the runes and are quiet capable
>>134467062A B and C look like a jumbling mess to people too, just stick with the kanjis and in a few months they'll be recognizable by your brain easily
>>134467424If you want pushing go for 心太 =)
>>134467479ahh, pulled as in pulling with mouth
>>134467062What you want to do is learning radicals and individual kanji study.The guide got you covered:>one method to consider is simply dedicating a week or two to studying radicals - the 200 or so building-blocks which make up the kanji. This approach, rather than teaching you to write and recognise a set of ~2000 common kanji, gives your brain the information it needs to mentally deconstruct the kanji it encounters into their base components, which may make it easier for you to both learn to recognise them and to avoid mixing them up with other kanji which look similar. In any case, it should stop your brain from seeing them as simply a bunch of random squiggles.https://itazuraneko.neocities.org
>>1344693791 day or bust since they're fucking useless
>>134469426I did radicals in one day too, but then again I already did RTK so I was already used to seeing them
good morning!kanji and word?
>>134470496>男>it was one thing handwriting...
>>134470532Nah it's 田力 lad
>>134470830Kill yourself trash
>>134470905Here's your homehttps://www.reddit.com/
F>>134470996It looks great on you!
>>134470944it was me
>>134471103all polish are the same person
>>134471103No, you're too immature to say such a thing
>>134470830You do know that he's telling you to use google translate's kanji drawing feature right?
wholesome Janny makiing sure that everyone feels comfortable
>>134471273発破をかけただけです>>134471385>JannyThat's our Polish friend, you can thank him directly
>>134471425If the pole is a janny I want him to give me a sign
>>134471571You want him to lose Janitor?>he already took care of your avatarposting, what else do you want?You could just ask him on Twitch
>>134471710Shhh, don't tell him
>>134472096Tell him what?
>語彙Did you check your vocabulary scale lately?
>>134472779Insufficient is insufficient, no matter the number =)>scaleIs wrong, think something like "the size of your vocabulary" would be better>latelyNot sure if you have to use recently here, best to have a native speaker chime in
>>134473475>Is wrong, think something like "the size of your vocabulary" would be betterBetter, but not the best.
>>134473696Which is why I didn't say best :~)>but what would be best?
>>134473754>but what would be best?さあね
>>134474553All your questions ~~ and more ~~ could be answered by fucking googling or using a dictionary for once.
>>134474553>大きさというより物差しという感じなんですね。いや、集合の大きさという感じですよ>>134474800But he didn't ask a question, he just had a misconceived notion of what the word means/how it's used?
>>134474800You better watch your mouth
>>134474553DROP THE TRIP ON THE GROUND NOW
>>134475592I have never measured any of this. I just sit however its comfortable, often with one leg up on the chair.
>>134476115I'm not a 40 year old woman so no
>>134475322I really hope you're not confusing an online test for a proper assessment of one's vocabulary. Especially given your strong Japanglish.
>>134476324Go antagonize someone else retard
>そして、その満面の笑顔のまま…>「一度寝たからって…いい気にならないでよね?」>「………はい?」>…外す。what's this last line supposed to mean?
>>134476650そっすね>>134477008>テストを*受けたこと>もしそうなら (makes sense, but simply 受けたなら may sound better)いや金払って受けるようなちゃんとしたテストは受けたことないですよ。この>>134475322テストで2万5千ぐらいだったけどこれって『わからない』っていう回答がないし不正確だと思う。ほかのサイトのテストだと1万4千ぐらいだったからそっちの方が正確だと思う。もっと少ないかも。
>起きたらおいてあったwhat is おいて?
>>134477567like "at the critical moment">>134477621>外すI think you can think it's>(期待を)外す>As the girl was smiling at him, he had a hope for her sweet words, and it was destroyed(his 期待が外れる= she 外す his 期待)
>>134478166置いてWhen I woke up it had been placed there
>>134478311thank you. im unsure why they didn't just use 期待が外れる, but I suppose the context made it obvious. (I had a question from last thread too, but you seemingly ignored it so I won't link it.)
>>134478311Sorry, I meant to say it like>ここぞという時あるもんか>>134478511>(I had a question from last thread too, but you seemingly ignored it so I won't link it.)Why so passive aggressive~
>>134477866Thanks a lot, now that I think about it sounds less stilted to just use (verb) + なら to ask someone if they've done (verb) instead of もしそうならAnd yeah, vocab tests are sometimes all over the place: I've scored over 30,000 on some of them and on others only around 22,000A lot of it comes down to how much advanced English literature you've read and how much you've studied etymology (prefixes, suffixes)
>>134478511>they didn't just use 期待が外れるIt'd be another slangy word choice of the author. I don't think it's either natural or stylish.>a question from last threadSorry I might have missed it out, or I am not the only Japanese poster itt.. (you meant this? https://boards.4channel.org/int/thread/134420762#p134427473)Anyway, I'm gonna go to bed now so let me answer it tomorrow..>>134478606>ここぞという時*って何(いつ instead of 何 is also ok)>ここぞという時*なんてあるもんか
Any good beginner novels you guys recommend?
>>134478606your idea of passive aggressiveness is different from mine, or any native English speaker really.
>>134478822>now that I think about it sounds less stilted to just use (verb) + なら to ask someone if they've done (verb) instead of もしそうならYou got it.
>>134478936>>134479290Then what would you call it, my native friend? =)
>>134479540not him but
>>134479744I see, thanks!>>134478511Why such an aggressive statement?~
>>134479744Glad to see we have another English expert here.
And no Japanese experts
>>134480583I don't speak American
>>134480583>new ipwhy are you here?
>If we keep up all these deletes we won't need new threads anymore
>>134479290Nah dude, you come across as horribly passive aggressive. You'd fit right in in Japan
Been learning grorious nihojngo serious for a bit. I have a few basic phrases and rules down. I can write most of hiragana and some kanji/kata from memory easily.I still can't really talk yet so it's kinda frustrating especially since when I meet someone and I'm all "w-w-watashi wa nihongoga sokushi hanasemasu" they usually call me a faggot and leave but I want a friend to practice speaking with.So how many hours into learning will I get good enough for extended small talk?
>>134484466Not gonna happen any time soon.
>>134484901What about me?
>>134484942Well maybe I'm awfully pessimistic about it, but I feel entirely unable to have natural sounding conversation in Japanese on the spot still. Then again I'm not surprised. I was entirely fluent in reading English before I could even attempt basic conversation without blanking out on stuff all the time and then it took me years of practice at it to get decent. I expect the same for Japanese and there I'm just reaching okayish competency in regards to understanding.
>>134485216You can do it!
>>134489278I want to xxxx that カモ(Please complete the sentence)
>>134487261pretty goodgo for it
>>134461046>Try setting anki to like 40 or 50 cards a day and spam normal or easy on reviewsHow could this possibly help? it'd just make it so I don't remember any of the words rather than actually remembering a decent bit per day.
>>134490973Different things work for different people
>>134464308>There's a natural limit on how much vocab you can cram and still learn effectivelyThis is true, and there's no way that simply increasing my vocab will actually help. Just sucks that I can't really go any faster, but whatever.
>>134491033There is a way, it's called reading and listening
i'm starting to recognise various kanji through anki exposure but i don't know the voicing so i can't type them. how do you guys learn the voicing, should i be marking cards as failed if i can't remember how it's spoken? right now i mark things as good / easy if i can remember the english meaning
>>134491352Actually I would say remembering how to read the words is the most important thing to learn from Anki. It's even more important than learning the meaning.
>>134491352What our German friend said, otherwise you might as well do RTK
>>134491385i mostly know the hiragana except for some annoying stragglers but it's not super helpful unless there's furigana for kanji>>134491461by read you mean pronounce or write in hiragana or katakana? specifically my problem for example is if i see 国 i know it's 'country' but i don't remember how it's pronounced. do i need to completely change how i'm studying?
>>134492664just give up now
>>134492778but giving up is for losers
>>134492810Follow that analogy to its logical conclusion
>>134492664You will eventually need to learn both, but learning the reading takes precedent. Two reasons for this: If you remember how to read something, but not quite what it means you can look it up immediately without extra hassle. Secondly when listening to spoken Japanese you dont get any Kanji, so associating the Kanji with a translation is pointless. Associate the Kanji with the spoken word and then the word with the translation.
>>134492924that by not giving up i'm a winner? thanks anon
Is there a way for me to practice reading Hiragana and Katakana without learning Kanji? Not as individual characters but some basic text that uses only those two?
>>134493010Just read text with furigana.
>>134493124Hiragana only text was utterly unreadable to me at the start. I don't know how people do it. I wouldnt have known where words started or ended so no idea why this is shilled as a good thing to beginners.
>>134493200>no idea why this is shilled as a good thing to beginners.kanji scary
>>134492949> If you remember how to read something, but not quite what it means you can look it up immediately without extra hassle.thanks, i never thought about it this way. > Secondly when listening to spoken Japanese you dont get any Kanjiyeah, makes sense too. i've mainly been focused on learning to read and write, but if i can't write it's not much use how do (or did) you study your anki cards, if you don't mind? right now i look at a core 2k/6k card, and if i can't figure out the meaning within 5 seconds i mark it again. so i should mark things again if i can't figure out the reading, and the meaning is just a bonus, right? or redo if i don't recall both the reading and meaning
>>134493339>redo if i don't recall both the reading and meaningthis
>>134493396it's gonna be a card holocaust, fully 70% of my cards will be suspended for being leeches. fuck my life
>>134493339>how do (or did) you study your anki cards, if you don't mind?You should be able to do both, but I haven't been this anal about it for years except if its a very mature card I cant remember at all. I usually dont care if the card has less than a month until itll show up again and I at least remember the reading and rough meaning.
>>134493559>leechesjust disable them. my advice is to stop caring about ankis bullshit so much and find a rhythm you can keep that doesnt make it a real pain in the ass. For me that meant never doing more than 30 minutes of Anki a day.These days I do 3-5 minutes of Anki a day, maximum.
>>134493692right now i only do anki because everything else seems so intimidating (been studying for about 2 months)do i just bite the bullet and start reading and looking words up?
>>134493858Do whatever you feel like I guess. I didn't really start trying to fight my way through material until almost 6 months in, but I was never trying to take things particularly fast either.
>>134493952so for the first 6 months did you just do anki / memorization, or is there other useful stuff you would recommend?thanks german bro. and the rude burger told me to give up. they should be banned from the internet
>>134494132my bad bro i mistook you for an aussie, they're pretty good at bants
>>134494132I did Core and Wanikani (wont actually make you any better after a while but at the start it was okay), then I read Tae Kim, watched Dolly vids or something and tried to read assorted shit in the browser by using a hover dictionary.At some point I started watching Anime with Japanese subtitles and put the audio of those episodes onto my phone so I could listen to them at various points of the day and then I started with games in Japanese at some point.6 months was probably a bit of an overestimate, but it was at least 3-4 month before I did those last few things I listed.
>>134494429australians are dirty unwashed criminals. i'm glad there are none in the thread. i accept your apology but you still can't dock your 'nuclear submarine' in my 'port', i don't swing that way
>>134494132And I think one of the most important things early on was listening to and trying to understand every single example sentence on those Anki cards. That was way more effective than memorizing the words.
>>134494520thanks, i need to introduce more sources into my japanese diet. gotta read all the untranslated doujinshi before i die
>>134494691Doujins are one of the easiest things to read so you might as well start with them. And the core deck will never teach you most of the words you need for them, so youll have to learn them directly from that material anyways.
New anki user here. How long should I be spending on each card ideally? I normally spend around 45 seconds on each one before moving on. Is that too short?
>>134497047don't spend longer than ten seconds on a card
>>13449715310 seconds? Seems kinda short doesn't it? I'll try that, thank you.
>>134497881>look at the word>be able to read and understand it>not able to read and understand itIt should take a second.
What are some good programs that I can use that will figure out the words instead of me having to write the kanji into a dictionary if it doesn't have furigana?
ある日、聡、かすみ、たけしが森の中を歩いていた。「シオンタウンに着くまで待ちきれません。」 聡は叫んだ。「足が痛い」 かすみは言った。 「彼らが良いホテルを持っていることを願っています。」「ホテルで可愛い女の子が働いているといいな」 たけしは言った。「私たちは、あなたが何を考えて知っています。」 かすみはうめいた。突然、ピカチュウは立ち止まり、耳を澄ませました。「ピピピピピカチュウ」 と言いました。「どうしたんだ、ピカチュウ?」 聡は尋ねた。茂みの中で何かがざわめいていた。突然、フシギダネが現れました。「わあ、フシギダネ!」 たけしは言った。フシギダネはピカチュウと会話を始めました。ピカチュウは振り返って話し始めました。「ピピピピピカチュウピカチュウ」 と言いました。「それが何を言っています?」 かすみは尋ねた。タケシはあごを引っ掻いた。「今週は毎年恒例のフシギダネの交尾祭だと言っています。」 たけしは言った。突然、ロケット団の気球が頭上に現れました。"なんてことだ!" 聡は叫んだ。
「なんだかんだと聞かれたら」「答えてあげるのが世の情け」「世界の平和を守るため」「愛と真実の悪をつらぬく」「ラブリー・チャーミーな敵」「むさし」「小次郎」「銀河をかけるロケット団の二人には」「ホワイトホール、白明日がままぜぜ」「にゃんてにゃ」「あなたはピカチュウを盗むつもりはありませんしている。私はあなたをさせません!」 聡は叫んだ。「私たちを止めるためにあなたができることは何もありません。」 かすみは笑った。「まもなくピカチュウが私たちのものになります。」 小次郎は言った。突然、約20人のフシギダネのグループが近くの森から現れました。彼らは非常に奇妙に行動し、酔っているように見えました。突然、近くの家から老人が現れた。「こんにちは、旅行者。」 彼は元気に言った。「今日は毎年恒例のフシギダネ交尾祭の初日です。彼らは特別な花から蜜を飲んで準備します。」蜜は彼らを非常に角質にし、彼らは目に見えるものすべてを性交しようとします。「蜜は彼らを非常に角質にし、彼らは目に見えるものすべてを性交しようとします。彼らの周りに注意してください。」
フシギダネはすぐにつるの鞭を伸ばし、武蔵、小次郎、ニャースをつかみました。彼らは、オリフィスのすべてで彼らのつるの鞭を立ち往生し、それらをドキドキし始めました。他のフシギダネはサトシ、カスミ、タケシをつかんで違反しました。突然、巨大なフシギバナが現れました。 それは目に見えて怒っていました。それはその太陽ビーム攻撃を充電し始めました。"あらいやだ。" 武蔵は言った。巨大なエネルギービームがフシギバナの花の球根から発射され、ロケット団に激突し、空に向かって発射しました。「我々は再びオフ爆破です!」 彼らは叫んだ。「ソーナンス!」その間、聡、かすみ、たけしは裸で汗をかき疲れ果てて地面に横たわっていた。「それは私が今までに経験した中で最高の感覚でした。」 聡は叫んだ。「フシギダネ!」 彼は叫んだ。終わり。
>>134498108I assume you mean figure out the kanji from an image like when reading manga and the like? these are called optical character recognition programs or OCR for short. the one I use is called KanjiTomo. you just the mouse over the kanji and it'll figure it out on its own.
>>134500340>pic actually became relevantやった!Now I can sleep in peace...おやすみ
I'm like HSK level 3-ish in Chinese, will I have an easier time learning nip-speak than if I came at it monolingually raw?
A friend of mine used 映える to describe viral/Instagram-worthy stuff. I've never heard it before, does it have a less specific connotation than to describe social media stuff?
>>134510603>>134511386So when people shorten to ばえ/映え, is it just always referring to Instagram?
>>134512119At least it used to be. Probably it is also true nowadays. But I'm not so sure for I'm not a normie.
>>134512755Thank you. I've heard the shortened phrase a few times now.
Could someone please answer >>134493112>>134505527
read question 1this is Japanese education.really shit
>>134513290Education is shit everywhere unless you want to learn
>>134513368That's not what I mean
>>134513466I don't care what you meant when you're obviously here to shitpost
>>134513290Where's the correct answer?
>>134514517Oh I totally failed to hear the く, thank you very much!
>>134476315Why do you (always) speak exactly like one of my local friends?
>>134514643No the correct answer is>We don't know yet.
>>134514087そういえばボンデージフェアリーズってドイツでは人気なんですか?いま連休中で実家にいるんですが、探したら出てきて腰抜かしました。> ジェイソン・トンプソン(英語版)は自著 Manga: The Complete Guideの中で本作を「初めて商業的な成功をおさめた、日本の成人向け漫画作品」 ("the first hit translated adult manga")と評している。
>>134515413俺が聞きたがってるのはそういうことじゃないって師匠わかってるはずだろ >who’s the No.1
>>134515594Your posts are yikes I don't even know why I bother replying to you honestly
>>134515090I guess compared to everything else it was popular. Which means it was not popular at all and only some weirdos would know it.