>your cunt>how's your train situationFlagNot doing very well
>>132408302Terrible, but slowly getting better.
its ok, but we need a lot more trains a lot more often, that go a lot faster.
It's ok, we have the worst railway in Europe lmao
>>132408302Not great, not terrible.
>>132408302We don't have high speed rail but it's decent enough. Better to catch the train into the city than sit in traffic and want to blow your brains out.
>>132408302Topography is a big problem for trains here, other than that we are doing just fine.
>>132409210ThisTrains are fine but they need to go at least every 5 minutes for it to be ok.Otherwise just make a tunneled network of high speed trains or metros going each 5 minutes between Amsterdam, The Hague, Utrecht and Rotterdam
>Austro-Hungarian technology railway that can handle trains going up to 80km/hstellar
Shit and also too expensive
>>132408302FlagCould be worsehttps://youtu.be/bFk8ZBkMlIMhttps://youtu.be/EieCn-AVmsMhttps://youtu.be/iRfaU68kUqY
>>132408302doing poorlyneed more trains
>The costs associated with building HS2, the high speed railway linking northern and southern England, have risen again.>The news comes less than two months after construction officially began.
>>132411180So this is the power of private enterprise...
>>132409210Your country is tiny, why would you need high speed trains?
Trains are not cost effective
>>132412454freight trains maybe but passenger trains make loads of money every year.
>>132410969This>b-but trains are communist
>>132412796Its the opposite here. Passenger trains are only viable in the northeast.
>>132412998Then they're doing something wrong.
>>132412796Not in countries like ours. But hey, at least some of them are comfy.
>>132413164Were not as densely populated as Europe. Cities are are too far apart planes are more cost effective.
>>132413187There's nothing unique about your country.
>>132412454Trains are incredibly cost effective for freight.
>>132413214Sweden, Finland and Finland are less densely populated than America.
>>132413214This meme again
It's ok here in the far north. They have some strange stations but it works out.
>>132413235In fact, just so you're all aware. Cost efficiency goes like this:Water>Rail>Truck>Air
>>132413226Yeah, bro. Our countries are totally exactly the same...
>>132413214not having this discussion again.
>>132413339>norway, finland and finlandwhat the fuck are you on about
>>132413442What's so different?
>>132413266But they’re less densely populated in one direction away from everything. America is less densely populated smack dab in between all of our major cities and the terrain is significantly more challenging and expensive. If you can’t see how getting a train from Denver to Los Angeles is totally different from getting one from Stockholm to Oslo, I just don’t even know what to tell you.
>>132413570> What’s different between Sweden and the United States?Are you serious? Do I really have to answer?
>>132413623Ignore him. He's a troll.
>>132413571What do you mean "away from everything"? Los Angeles-Denver is a ridiculously long journey in general. San Diego - Los Angeles is a better example for an average train journey.
>>132413571California is 429 000km2. Finland is 338 000km2. California has 75 cities with over 100 000 population. Finland has 9.The situation is comparable in other Nordic countries and most of US states. How is a train link between Las Vegas or LA harder than a train link between Stockholm and Oslo? Obviously the flyover part of US is sparsely populated, but east and west coast is comparable to any European country in terms of terrain or population density.
>>132413571if you don't see how getting a train from lysebotn to kautokeino is totally different from getting one from bloomington to davenport, I just don't even know what to tell you
>>132413773Well, we already have a passenger train system in the Northeast extension so if that’s what you mean by East Coast we already have it. As for the West Coast, California could have one but unfortunately, California has just totally botched it every single time they tried. They hired a Japanese consultant to help them build one a few years back and apparently it was such a disaster that the consultant bailed. That’s how California is. Now, they are actually building one between LA and Vegas right now but it’s a massive undertaking compared to the first two and it’s a private company doing it. What makes a link between LA and Vegas harder than Stockholm and Oslo is everything that lies in-between LA and Vegas and the cost of going through it.
Not good, but slowly improving
>>132413773>train link La-VegasThat’s about to begin construction actually
>>132414014And why would we do that?
>>132413571One thing that idiot "forgot" to mention is that while Sweden is less densely populated, 90% of the population live in the southern half of the country. As a result, train travel can be done in slow ass expensive single track trains along the coast. If you live further inland - tough luck, trains stopped running there more than half a century ago.
>>132414219I work as a train driver and a typical journey is where I pick up kids in a town of 4k inhabitants and drop them off in another 15k town where they go to school. Or people who live in a town of 20k and drop them off in a 200k city.Stockholm-Oslo is a journey mostly people in suits need to do and they take the high-speed train. An average person has no need to travel from one big city to another every week.
>>132414396The same goes for America though. The coasts of America is where most people live and it's not that sparesly populated.
>>132414549That's the point
>>132414275to transport people and goods in a cost-effective way?
>>132414640You have no point though
>>132414396>>132414549We do have that in the north east. Also, they will begin a true HSR service there starting in 2 yearshttps://youtu.be/WH-3FsmU6KQ
its trash right now, we had once from north to south but fuckers living next to rail road keep stealing rail tracks and throwing rocks at trains
>>132414778>steal rail tracksDon’t they melt those down and reforge them into ghost guns?
>>132409781there's no way you can do worse than the SNCF
>>132414744I know you do. I've traveled by train in the US and it's just like here. It's slow, expensive and it sucks for the most part.
>>132414396>>132414487Exactly. It’s not at all like America where the less densely populated regions are smack dab in challenging terrain in between our two main population hubs. >>132414446But those stops aren’t the reason for the system existing. They just benefit from it. If that’s not the case, well, we just can’t really do that here. >>132414549Yes. So what are you missing?>>132414721There’s nothing cost effective about it is my point. We gain almost nothing by building a Bloomington-Davenport passenger rail. If they want to use local or state funds to build such a thing, let them but my guess is it would be a giant waste of money.
>>132410022we hebben meer hogesnelheidslijnen nodig zoals de zuiderzeelijn. weet je hoe duur metro's zijn en hoe snel metro's ze eigenlijk gaan gaan? tunnels zijn te gewoon te duur, zeker in nederland. metro's gaan gemiddeld 30 km/u, alleen handig voor dichtbevolkte steden dus.>>132412426so we can have more trainsyou can't just keep expanding capacity forever
>>132414931we are in no position to shit on continental trains
>>132408302we buy german trains and assemble themso far situation is better than 10 years before but we are still 10 years behind europeShort range - okLong range - not very good
>>132414900much soulvery wow
I live in the north but have some family in the Stockholm area. Train rides through the coast seem pretty smooth desu, a very comfortable way of travelling.
>>132415117but the elektrichka sovl...
>>132414951>But those stops aren’t the reason for the system existing.It's pretty much exactly how the system was used. In the past the term was "rail-bus" which refered to small trains going 80km/h stopping in every little shithole to bring people to work.
>>132415174elektrichkas are gone for a few years alreadyyou can see some green VL85s but they're mostly replaced by this soulless shit
>>132414936It’ll be a lot better in the NE once we get the new trains. And as much as I hate biden, i think he’s likely to win and he has said he will increase rail
Trains are based, I don't care if they aren't cost effective in the way we run them right now they're based, simple as.Need more tables in the train though.
>>132413413>inlandsbanan mah boy
>>132408302the joke of western europe, but at least is cheap as fuck
>>132415251The best there is.
>>132413413"ok" is quite an exaggeration. That line is pretty much only used by tourists these days.
>>132414951>There’s nothing cost effective about it is my point>passenger railwhat is this, harry potter and the legend of the moving goalposts? it's self-evidently far easier and cheaper to build a railroad between any two cities in enormous parts of the us than across a comparable distance in scandinavia. the "challenging terrain" doesn't exist unless you assume that people want to take the train from los angeles to new york, which they don't any more than people want to take the train from lisbon to moscow
Shit. We used to have one of the best train systems in the world, now only a fraction of lines are still active and that's when they're not on strike, late, or have an accident. I had to use it for a year and it was absolute hell.
>>132408302not warm enough yet
expensive and slow
Northern NorwayPractically nonexistent
>>132415510Generally speaking the purpose of modern passenger train is to bring people from outside the city into the city for work. Americans do that by car exclusively. That whole "Denver - LA" is a pretty stupid example.
>>132415720I didn't realise Narvik was disconnected from the rest of the Norwegian railway network
>>132415803Narvik is like a small piece of Sweden in Northern Norway, or in other words, a special kind of hell.
Pretty good in the bigger picture and compared to most, abysmally shit in our eyes. Deutsche Bahn is a joke, we could and should do way better
>>132415889Them not having a meme-based economy seems like an odd reason to be mad at them
300 000 000 in debtLogo is cool tho
>>132414972Albanians could basically jog instead of riding the train lol
>>132408302they make me want to commit acts of political violence
>>132415803Narvik only exists to ship iron ore from LKAB
>>132416140Nothing to do with the economy, it seems like contact with Swedes is the cause for some odd things in otherwise healthy Norwegian minds. They're like the Østfold of Northern Norway.
>>132414974We have the one on the right here in Italy as well. It's called Frecciarossa 1000 and can travel up to 400kmh.
>>132415013Prima, hoge snelheidstreinen zijn ook goed.Zolang ze maar gewoon de randstad eens behoorlijk ontwikkelen met openbaar vervoer tussen steden in. Maak van die vier steden gewoon transport hubs voor de rest van het land.
>>132414972>tfw even ukraine is higher than us
>>132415013>you can't just keep expanding capacity forevert. doesn't realize that Japanese literally have 10 tracked lines going from Musashi-Kosugi to YokohamaIt's fucking wild I have never seen anything like it outside of Japan.
>>132415013High speed trains take up more space than slower trains though
>>132412377Nah more with government contracts and government incompetencies in general to get anything done within a set budget.Privatised rail is doing alright in the US in recent years ever since they don't have a complete monopoly anymore.https://youtu.be/DBrWRapGHAghttps://youtu.be/BxgwzTF7rAc
>>132412426Because connections between the major cities is godawful to say the least and we don't have any direct connection between them without having to stop at least 4 to 5 times aside from one railway which only goes from the airport to Rotterdam directly.Our train system could do with at least a higher frequency of trains for sure.
>>132417070>Bright lineGod it's so fucking dumb. It takes the same time to drive as take the train and you still have to rent a car at both ends.>>132416942>>132416942Forgot photo
>>132417188It would work with a third track exclusively for high speed trains. I'm surprised you don't have it
>>132417232>It takes the same time to driveYeah so do the train lines here what's your point? It still attracts a lot of customers and is actually profitable so there is an obvious demand for it.>>132417321That would be best yeah. I'm surprised we don't have it either, our highest speed train only goes like 150kmh at most and it's fucking awful, we don't even have a proper first class in the trains, it's just the same seats as second class but in a red colour and a handful of cabins.There was even a debate a few years back about if we should abolish first class in trains altogether
Our retard senile president wants to make a shitty train that will only make people lose money and nobody wants by chopping down a jungle. And also it's a shitty diesel train to boot.
>>132417433Because it's nonsensical.>drive 30 mins to the airport because no mass transit in orlando>train takes 4hrs because it's goes across the state before going south instead of following the turnpike because they wanted to be jews with the alignment>get to south florida still have to rent a car because mass transit down there is pretty badCould be worse I guess.
>>132414931Sncf is shit but come on man, the UK is objectively worse when it comes to rail.
>>132416186>300 million in debtLol noobs.
Thanks to retarded EU rules regarding competition, we lose the good lines and trains are now barely faster yet several times more expensive.>>132417070Yeah I think I'll pass on using the USA as an example of a country with a successful passenger service train network.
>>132414931>t. never been on a train in Italy
It's fine. Most of it is for freight
>>132417655>Thanks to retarded EU rules regarding competition, we lose the good lines and trains are now barely faster yet several times more expensive.What happened? I notice train service here is a lot worse than it used to be. The trains are considerably dirtier too.
I am studying to be a train operator right now
>>132414014Why would someone take a train from bloomington to Davenport. It's quicker to drive
>>132408302Passenger rail exists in every major city (Sydney + spanning regional NSW, Melbourne + spanning regional Victoria, Brisbane + Regional links, Perth and Adelaide). The passenger rail networks are operated by the respective state government the network operates in. Federal rail links (or outer-state links) exist on the eastern coast of the country via NSW Trainlink - owned by the NSW Government, can provide journeys from Melbourne to Brisbane centralising in Sydney (Central) - it exists as the only relatively low-cost rail journey to span these cities. Great Southern Railways is the operator of rail journeys that span long-distance travel - it is designed with the intention of providing a scenic journey and less a viable means of transportation.
>>132417750By EU treaties, eventually we have to privatise train services, including the SNCF (though not officially a private company, it is legally one since january). Of course, the goal of private companies is to make money, not to service the people, and since you can't really have competition with train services...
>>132417822Ultra fucking based.
>>132417822I am one and I wouldn't recommend.
>>132418000Ah so basically France is going down the same road the UK did with its rail service. That sucks.
driving a train is like operating an elevator
>>132418083In spain is too good to be true right now, high wages, few hours, and good conditions, and free trips. The worst thing is the money for the course. If it was bad they would not be studying children of machinists...At least in Spain.
>>132418229And the Spanish still managed to fuck it up
>>132418143The pay is good but it's generally pretty boring, all I do is listen to podcasts, audio books and drink coffee. I know every single meter of track at this point. At least once a week I argue with loud immigrants trying to ride without tickets or some junkie who just bloodied the entire bathroom with needles. Along with sleeping in hotels and working irregular hours my sleeping is often bad.
>>132418275>At least once a week I argue with loud immigrants trying to ride without tickets or some junkie who just bloodied the entire bathroom with needles.are you allowed to at least carry a gun? i'm in WA and the homeless / junkies problem is real and its super bad. my dad gave me a gun recently because i've been assaulted a few times in the past year and its just getting worse :( i've been debating just moving because they have been approaching my apartment complex now and i don't want to get attacked in my own complex.
>>132418275If you get tired of a line you ask for a transfer every 2 years, plus most lines have the ASFA safety system instead of ETCS or LZB, KVB, EBICAB(is this yours?) and it is very manual, thats why the accident happened
>>132418469>this is the average life of an American
>>132417822Is it hard?What kind of education do you need?
>>132418469>are you allowed to carry a gunLmao this is europe man. You can't even defend yourself if the junkie attacks you.
>>132418469No, we can't really protect ourselves in any way. Muslims are obviously a problem and I feel junkies are increasing in numbers too the past years.>>132418526We have ATC which means I can fall asleep and nothing can happen and ETCS in very few areas. It's pretty much a dead system at this point even before it's implemented. Another EU failure.
>>132418540>acting like a bunch of arabs didnt recently beat a bus driver to death in France
>>132417850some ideas: no need to find or pay for parking, costs less in gas and upkeep on the car, you can take a train if you've been drinking, anyone can take a train even if they're too young or old to drive, you can sleep or work on a train, trains don't require a big up-front investment if you're a poorfag and don't break down>it's too expensive/too much hassle/the station is too far/etcwouldn't be a problem if your authorities didn't cater to cars to cope with how much worse they actually are at moving people. likewise, driving is quicker only because the money has been wasted on cars and roads instead of faster trains>davenport-bloomington doesnt't have the population base!I just picked two cities similarly far away as oslo and stockholm to reply to >>132413571 and picked bloomington because I'm watching breaking away. we can say chicago-st louis if you prefer, same terrain
>>132418599Here u just need secondary, but after that u need pass a course(most of the study is regulations, plus brakes and engine functioning), but after that you need to pass an examination of the state, its not difficult but u need to study.I studied mechanical engineer before this so i dont have too much problem with this.>>132418625Here ETCS is in every AVE(high speed) except Madrid-Sevilla, and is being fine althoug is expensive, it will a success due to SNCF and TRENITALIA will operate next year and will bring train from spain to france to italia, so thats where ETCS will take adventage, but the opinion in general is that LZB is better but it wasnt German system and thats why EU build ETCS. The second adventage of ETCS is lvl3, this lvl will take down building prices, but will take time
>>132408585Please tell me where
>>132419138>Here u just need secondary, but after that u need pass a course(most of the study is regulations, plus brakes and engine functioning), but after that you need to pass an examination of the state, its not difficult but u need to study.>I studied mechanical engineer before this so i dont have too much problem with thow long is the course, and when you pass it is it easy to find a job? How much do the train conductors make?
>>132409781Was Mussolini the only person who could actually make your trains arrive on time?
Not so good....
>>132419254>implying he didnt just lie on the statisticsNo one can make an Italian arrive on time.
>>1324191979 months the course, after u need to wait until, OEP(Public Employment Offers exam), and 1 month more for Renfe(state private company), or going to full private companies. The brute wage star around 24k and after 8 years is around 50k.Now is easy to find a job in 3 years it will be more difficult.
>>132419518And the work hours are around 6hours per day, from 4,5 to 7,5 hours, u dont have a fix time.(5 days work and 3 rest all the year)
>>132419518>The brute wage star around 24k and after 8 years is around 50k.damn thats really low for a job where you are responsible for people's lives
>>132419765in spain it fairly good, for the hours u work, this is not USA, we have 3d world salaries
>>132408585i wanna live in the front of that train like Diogenes in his barrel
>>132419072I grew up in the middle of those towns. There is no need for a train line to them. And while I think amtrack goes to both you'd need to transfer lines and go completely out of the way
>>132419842how much do pilots in Spain make?
>>132419922>>132419072Also there's no reason to travel to st Louis to Chicago unless your a trucker or going through you get somewhere else. The populations aren't close and st Louis is a bigger shithole than Chicago
>>132419922I am out of ways to try to explain what I'm saying
>>132420101around 100k with high variation depending on the company But you need many more years of training and experience and to have passed as a co-pilot, and so right now there are many who do the training and do not find work at least in Spain.The planes in the short term will not create as much work as expected (also due to covid) as the trains in Europe because of the ecology, in the long term with the hydrogen will take off.
>>132412892Nobody says they’re communist
>>132408302Good, but we're lacking a decent connection with Scandinavia and Germany
>>132418469>freeze you didnt pay for your tickethold your hand behind your head and get in your knees or i have to fire warning shots in your knee
>>132413266You’re correct, however most of your population centers are in one area. Finland, near helinski, Sweden in the southern part>>132413266. Americans could easily connect high speed railways from Washington to NYC or San Francisco to LA but a trans continental high speed railway is not possible. They’re actually building a high speed railway in Texas to connect the triangle (three cities). Sounds mediocre until you realize that’s about as large of a project as a Swedish or Finnish rail.https://www.khl.com/international-construction/texas-high-speed-railway-clears-construction-hurdles/146214.article
>>132420727>connection with GermanyGood luck with that. Sometimes I wonder whether the northern NEAT connection will be finished in my lifetime.
>>132420537damn. Airline captains here make upwards to $280-300k/yr
>>132420885They're too busy with less efficient road works probably
>>132421747It's the locals and the greens blocking construction because it might bring more noise or destroy some habitats.
>>132408302Not great, but functional where it exists.They just announced that they'll be scrapping many major plans for better lines due to cost, and that delays will increase because they aren't giving enough to maintenance. They're also working on privatizing rail transport, which is not unlikely to give bad results, but we'll see. So far the only change is that the tickets are a bit more expensive and maybe a bit more complexity when buying tickets.There's a lack of ambition. I'm especially thinking about Vestfold, which has numerous cities placed next to each other. Currently they're linked by single track rail with one train per hour (not sure about that), but they don't realize the potential in Vestfold. They seem to be thinking in terms of making it faster to travel to Oslo, and making some improvements to the current service, but they don't realize that if they actually completed the double track, they'd probably be able to run at least four trains per hour and not only make it easier to go to Oslo, they'd turn the entirity of Vestfold into one megacity with the train track working like a metro, which has enormous potential, much more than simply "we save 15 minutes to Oslo"
>>132419170That's in Uyubi, Bolivia. I posted that by mistake but I wanted to post pic related, however since it's a cool picture that fitted my post I didn't say anything.
>>132420537Wow better than here. Most regional pilots don't even make minimum wage.
>>132420867We don't have high-speed rails.
>>132408302Not without its troubles but seems to be getting better in the last decade, but overall not very viable as transport beyond limited use. Also semi-nationalized so it can survive.but our trains have SOVL
>>132408302FlagIt sucks big dicks
>>132414931No. I once down an entire afternoon to make a measly 100 kms because of delays
we bought 60 new Stadler (Swiss) trains. more on the way
>>132427444nice, love trainrides
>>132426176God our locomotives are so fucking cringe. There is only two faces.But then again i love how FEC trains look.
>>132408302We don't have trains.sadpepe.jpg
I really need to try our commuter train one day just for the fun of it
>>132415117>Long range - not very goodwho really wants to travel 2000km by train?
>>132419138>I studied mechanical engineer before this so i dont have too much problem with this.and can't find a job?
>>132429953ever heard of Trans-Siberian Railway? from Moscow to Vladivostok, 9300km. it's an experience you never forget. put it on your bucket list
>>132430422>it's an experience you never forget>Day 25: suicide thoughts still rising due to that stupid neverending train ride. Wish I could forget it.
>>132430648you tasteless asshole
>>132430785>herp derp sitting on a train for days and days is funhave sex
>>132430899not him but trains are comfy
Pretty gay, my nephew made an announcement with the words ''ladies and gentlemen''Which isn't allowed since it isn't gender neutral. not even meminghe didnt got reported so its alright in this overtaxed gay shithole
>>132430899People who have traveled the trans-siberian railroad usually have had sex since they're actually interesting people who do things in life. You pathetic loser.
>>132416897ukraine is flat
>>132435027Like your gf
>>132408585poor choo choo:(
>>132408302It's something people love to complain about, but it's not as bad as it used to beI just wish they were not so damn expensive