why do westerners think "indian architecture" is indian architecture?
>>127927641why do Muslims think "muslim architecture" is muslim archeticture/
I think Indians-- as a people should stop searching for a unified identity that excludes Islam. It's a pretty pathetic attempt at nation building and recognize us for truly what we are-- an Empire. An empire that spans multiple cultures and ethnicities. There is no India without multiracialism and multiculturalism. Why do you think Ancient Indian kings called themselves “Chakravartin” (Universal Emperor)? They ruled over so many different races.The ideal Indian army march is flanked by two Sikh Jatt gentlemen on horses on the right, the central ranks are full of Dalits and indigenous tribal soldiers, the peripheral ranks are vehicles on board with several men of the various groups amongst the Kshatriyas, next comes the Rajputs riding camels wearing turbans, then come Mongoloid Gurkhas short, stocky but extremely fierce, and on royal chariots arrive the commanders, some Brahmin, some Sikh, and a few Persians and Anglo-Indians. All this whilist the Indian Imperial flag is waving at the end of the Rajpath (The Royal Road), facing the President's Palace a Gothic British construction inspired by Mughal architecture in turn containing Hindu influences, with a giant statue of Durga on the square, the Hindu Goddess of War wielding the trident just East of the pillar with Arabic Islamic calligraphy. The commanders walk down the royal path flanked by Mauryan styled pillars inspired from Greek architecture with the statues of Ancient Indian Kings, such as Ashoka (Magadhan), Milinda (Greek), Ikshvaku (Dravidian), Akbar (Indo-Turkic), Shivaji (Maratha), Yashodharman (Rajput), and Siddhartha (Scythian) on top of them.In the days of yore, having created the beings together with the sacrifices, the Creator thus said: “By this you must multiply and spread across the world. Let this be your yielder of coveted objects of desire.“ — Bhagvad Gita (3.10)
>>127927857ah yes, the famous architecture of fujairah which all muslims covet
>>127927857A former Eastern Orthodox church dedicated to Saints Sergius and Bacchus in Constantinople, converted into a mosque during the Ottoman Empire. This Byzantine building with a central dome plan was erected in the 6th century by Justinian, likely was a model for Hagia Sophia, and is one of the most important early Byzantine buildings in Istanbul. Poorly executed restorations leave the church with a modern character. Muslim archeticture is robbed christian archeticture.
>>127927900based and redpilledseeing too many cringe hindu nationalist faggots these days on Twitter Screenshotted and saved
>>127927900India is a democracy and a state that doesn't like Muslims which are of a foreign colonist.
>>127927900Muzdogs are a poison to the countries they inhabit.
>>127928051For almost 1,000 years it was the largest church in Christendom, the main center of worship for the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the jewel of Constantinople. In 1453, it was captured and converted into a mosque, becoming a museum in 1932 under Atatürk. In July 2020, it was turned into a mosque again. 532 christian church which muslims immitated from their newly created mormon like religion that robbed jewish traditions and christian.532–537 muslims not only rob Christians lands and call it Muslim land, they also rob christian architecture and call it islamic architecture .
>>127928087>Indian Muslims are foreignmost Indian Muslims are Indians who converted to Islam. They are 200 million in number. Like half of what you think “Indian” culture is, is inspired by Islam. It’s not that it’s not Indian, it definitely is Indian, but the Islamic influence is there. 1,200 years ago Indian women did not even cover their breasts. Aryan era statues show men wearing armor and loincloth and women wearing... nothing. They just wore jewellery and decorations over their body. In the Mahabharata, a princess begins to cry and walks through the court of the royal palace crying and the text says “her tears mixed her with breastmilk”.Something like this will be considered abhorrent by modern Hindus and for good reason. Head coverings, and modest clothing was introduced to India by Turkic tribes.
>>127928445>and for good reasonClothing was the masks/gloves/goggles of that day. They got cucked and had their liberty and culture taken away to suffer.
>>127928445And Britain introduced the train and magnitudes of advancements, I don't see muslim bowing down to Britian and saying that England is part of their heritage.
>>127928427so indians call the mughals invaders and disown them but claim their architecture?
>>127927641India is basically Lost Izalith.
>>127928548Yes, building is stolen and should be converted to hindu temple.
>>127928548stop larping dude & make some reshmi kebab Burritos in that time
>>127928521Britain didn’t introduce culture to India. And the British didn’t see themselves as Indians in the first place. The Mughals did. The Mughals did not see themselves as foreigners in a country and syncretised their culture with Indian culture. Same for the Greeks. When the Greeks came to India, they all accepted Buddhism. The Yuezhi people (Indo-Europeans of Tarim Basin) who became the Kushans also accepted Buddhism and spoke Indian Prakrit. The British distanced themselves from India. There was Britain and there was India.
>>127928708Note how I ignored Turkic rulers like Delhi Sultans as well, Mahmoud of Ghazni, Mahmoud of Ghori acted in a colonial manner. Ghazni for instance would pray in a separate mosque than in the one populated by Indians.
>>127928708>British didn’t see themselves as Indians in the first place. neither did the mughals or muslims ever call themselves indian or relating to the natives of india.
>>127928051>>127928234Based, this is what one of the first mosques looked like. Muslims couldn't even make anything good without ripping off the Christians
>>127928445bruh India was so close to Persian empires, you think we never traded influences with each other? To think that muslims gave us dress is stupid, muslims (Araps) were civilised by persians themselves, why do you think north west Indians cover their heads? thats persian influence, muslims came in 7th century near pakistan, entered India in 12th. India was wayyy developed in these periods
>>127928779Note how I ignored hindu kings like Shashanka who cut down the Bodhi tree & threw Buddha idols into Ganges.
>>127928708muslims came to india as a colonial conquering force.
>>127928825>neither did the Mughals>Put the first six Mughal emperors in a line, from Babur to Aurangzeb, and you see a distinct, historical change: the eyes change from slanted like a Turk to almond-shaped until they lose the epicanthic fold altogether; the noses lengthen, become sharper and change shape; the facial hair thickens. It’s not surprising: only the first two Mughals, Babur and Humayun, had Central Asian mothers. Akbar and Aurangzeb’s mothers were Persian; Jahangir and Shahjahan were both born to Rajput Hindu queens.
>>127928942The Mughals didn’t see themselves as a separate race.
>>127928942And so what?the mughal military force were not all mixed with indian women and that didn't stop the mughals from seeing themselves as a colonial force.
>>127929020How you are created chinkgali? I honestly wonder sometimes.
>>127928908under muslims "akand Bharat" or whatever was a reality, kabul to dacca was india; india was 24% of the world GDP, the most of all nations, and modern indian language, food, etc. is derived from them-india reached it's zenith. It declined with the british. If the mughals are colonial then that's tacitly admitting that indians are best as a colony, but I don't think you would say that.
>>127929020>The Mughal military force was not at all mixed with Indian womenAre you smoking crack?Babur conquered India with the help of a Hindu Rajput King fighting against the Delhi Sultanate.Around 49% of Mughal nobility was Hindu, not even talking about Indian Muslims here.And the Mughal military was Turkic only in name, it was fully of Hindu soldiers and commanders. The fierce commander who was dispatched by the Mughals to contain the Maratha forces was Udaybhan Ratthor, a Hindu general.
>>127929116Ehh, it declined with the british cause the rest of the word outpaced India.
>>127929116>under muslims "akand Bharat" or whatever was a reality, kabul to dacca was india; india was 24% of the world GDPIndia was equivelant to their population in GDP, with whatever tax collector is in charge, he certaintly didn't work hard to enrich hindus.
>>127927900This is beyond based and an imperial India will become a superpower
>>127929210Akbar certainly did
>>127929116At lest put pic of the right Badshah bhangali
Not to mention the Mughals are a cause of many modern caste formations that took place in medieval India. Bhumihars, Jatts, Marathas for instance were a product of Mughal modernisation. The Mughal Empire’s bringing of better arms, gunpowder and militarisation of India gave rise to new warrior castes.>Upstart warriors, Marathas, Jats, and the like, as coherent social groups with military and governing ideals, were themselves a product of the Mughal context, which recognized them and provided them with military and governing experience. Their successes were a part of the Mughal success.
>>127929175A. what's the differenceB. india did decline>>127929210this is demonstrably falseunder Aurangzeb the "harshest" emperor, hindu traders were taxed at a meager 5%
>>127929265India reached its zenith in terms of land and riches under aurungzeb, that's a historical fact
>>127929310The difference is under the Mughals India was a major textile hub. This was shipped across the known world and caused India to be rich as shit, however being rich as shit when 90% of the world is poor as shit doesn’t mean anything. So when the rest of the world industrialized India couldn’t keep up and in fact sheer textile numbers increased under the Anglos. Anglos may have committed horrendous crimes against the people but the economy was something they definitely helped with
>>127929363>India reached its zenith in terms of land and riches under aurungzebcan you quantify this?
And of course this doesn’t absolve any wrong-doing. What many extremist Muslims did to Hindus, Hindus had also done that to Dalits and Buddhists Shunga Empire literally destroyed Buddhist monasteries and killed Buddhist monks before Buddhist Greeks invaded the Shunga Empire around 165 BCE. It’s just a fact of history. Germans killed and raped Slavs. Marathas also destroyed rival Hindu temples. Brits and French killed each other for a millennia. Conflicts happen over the most minor differences.
>>127929424yes>>127929419this is terrible analysis
>>127929512Why? It’s true, under the English textile production increased
>>127929512Anyway see you at general faggot
>>127929424Quantitative data is a type of data that deals with measurable information. This means that its value or state can be numerically expressed. All data that is quantifiable, verifiable, and amenable to statistical manipulation classifies as quantitative data.If you can not provide quantitative data then unspecific nonsense means nothing.
>>127929592So you’re saying you can’t?
>>127929630I did not make any claims of muslim rule being richer than hindu rule.
>>127929575what general>>127929630that guy isn't mehere, knock yourself outhttps://books.google.com/books?id=rHJGz3HiJbcC&pg=PA256#v=onepage&q&f=false
>>127929748india had a higher share of world GDP prior to muslim conquest in there.
>>127928849The Taj Mahal is distinctly Islamic and no aboriginal Indian architecture rivals it.
>>127930006>The Taj Mahal is distinctly Islamic There is nothing distinctly Islamic about that type of archeticture, it is robbed Byzantine and Zoroastrian architecture,
>>127930006Nice bait you've got there bong.5/10. newfag tiertry harder.
>>127930006>the absolute delusion of these Ahmeds
>>127930053Poo>>127930063Then post a building that looks remotely similar. A reminder that aboriginals never even discovered a true arch.
>>127930201Their super detailed outer walls are already more impressive than your cringe mahal Mohammed
>>127930201post Arab temples prior to invading byzantine lands.
>>127930201Holy fuck you’re cringe, I absolutely hope you get killed when the British working class finally rise up
>>127929955Muslims were already the lead empire in india when that book's counting starts
>India's GDP growth increased under the Mughal Empire, with India's GDP having a faster growth rate during the Mughal era than in the 1,500 years prior to the Mughal era.
>>127927641I don't know why Taj Mahal gets shilled so much, Buddhist temples and those stepwells mog Taj so much.T.visited india
Does he not realize that the Taj Mahal was literally a fusion dance of architecture? God these types of people are fucking cringe
>>127930440page 263 of the book I linked
>>127930006Congrats you successfully baited indians at this. Fucking Britishers
>>127930408take a look at his flag LMAO. That's expecting too much from them.I really feel for them.
>>127930581B A I TAIT
>>127930408The Taj mahal is pure perso-turkic architecture. You can go to central asia and see similar buildings which are the ancestor to perso-turkic architecture in south asia
>>127930274>>127930308>>127930319I love how aboriginals believe a 4 meter at best dome can compare to a diameter of 18 meters and height of 25 meters (Taj Mahal)
>>127930581The Taj is also somewhat modern, it was constructed in 1632. Most grand Indian temples were constructed around 1100s.
>>127930581post a north american authentic structure.Oh wait...
>>127930617not really. the carvings are intracite and nice but it's superficial and other than that it's bland. compare that to the geometric designed combined with tasteful colors of perso-turkic architecture. You're entitled to your opinion, but answer me this, why do you think millions go to see the taj mahal every year but not these hindu temples? I am clearly in the majority here
>>127930653>he's American not our everyday diaspoo faggot
>>127930381>uh yes, you see this muslim ruler increased the countries GDP by 50000000% through the power of Allah and Mosques! Good work mohammad! preaise allah!
>>127930707ok sure>>127930653definitely>>127930746ever skyscraper is a copy of american skyscrapers in new york>>127930722kangali is a breed of dog
>>127930868and skyscrapers are ugly soulless pieces of shit.Why do you think many European countries have actively made laws against skyscrapers being put up?
>>127930860t. muslim scholars
>>127928234Good. The weak should fear the strong. Go fuck your self Gayreek.
>>127930755Have you ever seen a painted Mandala inside a temple?Most people go to Taj because it is more popular. That’s like asking why Pepsi is not as much drunk as Coke. The latter has better branding.
>>127930915the flatiron building has soul
>>127930995God just quit fucking responding and sage
>>127930914>diasPOO>glass housegot butthurt Raj?
>>127930995>because it is more popular. because it's an objectively superior feat of architecture by far
>>127927900kek the absolute state of India
>>127930995>better brandingshit cope. The british ruled india for centuries, if there really was some conspiracy to brand the taj mahal why would they? You can read the history of the taj mahal, the west first learned of it from travelers who were amazed by the Taj, and not the hundreds of hindu temples and told their people back home of it
>>127931030raj means king >>127931026t. can't handle the truth
>>127930860you see this mosque here?this increased GDP by 1900000000%
>>127931138I hope you get fucking incinerated but yeah cheerio faggot
>>127927641Go home Bhangali
>>127931166the GDP of Pakistan is multiplied by 9999999999% for every big mosque there.
>>127930369fie fie foe fum I smell the hand of an italian man
>>127929116Much of the infrastructure supplied for muh 24% GDP was by locals. It's not like the Mughals brought artisan, textile or agricultural skills to India. In fact it was the opposite. Captured skilled men were used to develop much of barren Central Asia from the Bibi-Khanym to agricultural yields, that the Mughals first emerged from.
>>127927641“Indian culture” is Turkish culture.
>>127931549What’s your point?That’s how governance works>>127931592It’s a mongrelization of many things but yes it was done by Turkic rulers
>>127931549A Turk built Taj Mahal.
>>127931592Based if true
>>127931647All the food is Turkish. All the architects and architecture. All the rugs and clothes and shirts and etc. turkish.
>>127931701Based. It’s true.
>>127931647>What’s your point?That the Mughals were similar to Al-Andalus where they became reputed from local growth more than anything.
>>127931859It takes good leadership to facilitate that though >>127931716You’re confusing Turkish with Turkic but yesThe Mughal conquerors were timurid chagatais. Their closest descendants are Uzbeks
>>127931701Ayo we wuz asians n shiet
>>127931995>good leadershipThey were more decentralized than the modern Republic of India is, which like I said is analogous to al-Andalus.
>>127931995Nigga. There is no distinction. Also the architect of taj mahal was ottoman Turk who went there by ottoman sultans orders to help Mughal Turk bros
>>127933090the main/lead architect was from LahoreLahore produced the best architectsthe dome or sth was design by an ottoman >no differenceThat’s like saying there is no difference between German and Germanic
Taj Mahal is Pakistani architecture obviously, why would anyone think otherwise?
>>127933606Pakistan should have gone full LARP by instead of making *rdu the language in 1947 making Chagatai the national language. That would have been so kino
>>127933557>That’s like saying there is no difference between German and GermanicNot same. Differences between Turks are political or dynastic, not ethnic.
>all those indian posters still falling for these regular script made bait postsWhy you do this chamans?
>>127933848Facts aren’t bait>>127933781There are different Turkic ethnicities. They have often non-mutually intelligible languages and distinct phenotypes and origins. Just as with germanics
>>127927641We are supposée to attribute "Indiana architecture" to who then if not to Indians?
>>127933969Uzbeks and pakis
>Indians-- as a people - searching for a unified identitykek your whole entire 80 years as a country is a jokeim going to jizz rivers when pakistan finnaly drops a bunch of nukes there
>>127927641Left has more soul.
>>127934000But modern Paxis are mostly Punjabi, Sindhi, Muhajir and Kashmiri, who didn’t really hold an empire or did anything significant. Name one empire that started from Punjab or modern day Pakistan. (Greeks don’t count for obvious reasons lol).
Pakistan should’ve expanded into Stanistan and made Chagatai Turkic their national language. Then India would be truly BTFO.
>>127933956>There are different Turkic ethnicities. They have often non-mutually intelligible languages and distinct phenotypes and origins. Just as with germanicsCope. All Turks. Germanics is a meme too. The whole thing is a Russian (in the case of Turkic) and British (in the case of Germanic) plot to weaken and divide pan-nationalist movements.
>>127933956There are always dialects. Try being a Exeter Englishman and talk to a Devonshire farmer.
>>127931701>Turkish >Culture What they stole from the Greeks or what inherited from their Mongol sheep herding foreroaches?
>>127934161The Indus River basin is like Egypt, it was mostly just used as a bread basket by empires which sort of prevented it from being an empire on its own because of that. The Indus River basin/Pakistan is very hard to defend and simultaneously very valuable.That being said I mostly agree with you but that doesn’t really disprove my point. The ghurid and ghanzavids for example hail from the af-pak region and they are the reason af-pak converted from Buddhism to Islam, and it is also why people from Pakistan teamed up with Uzbeks under the Mughals. It’s not a coincidence the head architect of the Taj Mahal was from Lahore, a Pakistani city
>>127934417The Turkish altaic culture is the root culture of Eurasia.
>>127927857historic grand architecture required lots of money that was almost always financed by the state. And of course tribal villagers in a non country didn't have that.Plus, literally any type of architecture in the world can become islamic architecture. islam isn't a culture, it's a religion. that's why there is a lot of diversity in the architecture of mosques.
>>127934397The difference between yakut and Turkish is not dialectical>>127934346Ok well every anthropologist, linguist, historian and so on disagrees with you, but whatever.
>>127934501>The difference between yakut and Turkish is not dialecticaYes it is. The Russians tried to make it seem weirder but write out both in Latin script and easily understood. Speaking same.> Ok well every anthropologist, linguist, historian and so on disagrees with you, but whatever.Oh not the imperialist academics cope. The term doesn’t exist in any Turkish language. Turkic is a academic word invented by anthropologists.
>>127927641because it is located in Indiayes, they are more advanced than you even in the multicultural department
>>127927937kek. he's post was pretty fucking retarded
>>127934501All the Central asian Turkish is closer to rural Anatolian Turkish. The weirder Turkish is the Istanbul literary Turkish but even this isn’t far off. Similar dynamic to Italian and Florentine/Roman literary dialectic.
>>127934450Lol, you must be the most retarded motherfucker to ever live. Men were building civilization in Europe, the Middle East, and China before there was ever such thing as a ‘Turk’. You niggers are just parasitic savages, and ‘altaic’ culture is just back water gypsy (nomadic) sheep fucking savages.
>>127934699Cope. Your Turkphobia is pronounced. Turkish culture is the Eurasian original culture. Sumeria. Etruscan. Many more.
>>127934000>Uzbeks and pakisDid they build such buildings in their own countries?
>>127934479beautiful I must say
>>127934839Why you are larping as Turk Paj?
>>127934913Yes see: >>127933557That is in Pakistan And pic related is in Samarkand, UzbekistanI know it’s not as grand as the taj mahal but they had fewer people and resources so you know
>>127927641Human faeces floating back and forth in a tropical mangrove
my TVRKIC ancestors... HOME.
>>127928849the earliest mosques in islamic history were built before the first muslim country even existed (Rashiduns). It was built by small communities and simple people seeking to worship. They don't have to apologies for not having empires finance their places of worship like others religions. They struggled against pagan persecution and endured. Their mosques reminds us of that. Those mosques will always be a reminder to modern muslim, struggle and endure against those who have ill wishes against you and the muslim community will see better times.Mecca which was the center of paganism and worship of man made idols in arabia, became the global center of monotheism and the worship of God.also muslims did have empires later on that built great things
>>127928875Nah arab kings give accounts of Indian women still showing their milkers and the only thing covering it was some gold maybe
>>127935550Arab traveler’s accounts are so based. Ibn battuta dedicated pages in every chapter of his travels to describing how good looking the women were lol
>>127935136>Mecca which was the center of paganism and worship of man made idols in arabia, became the global center of monotheism and the worship of God.Mecca is not the “center of monotheism“Even if we exclude Christianity, it is still Jerusalem, because is the first place in Judaism and an important place in Islam too while Mecca is just important for Muslims.
>>127936181In Jerusalem there is an annual gay pride parade and tourists can go into religious sites half naked without wudu (cleanliness)In Mecca you aren’t even allowed into the city unless you believe there is only one god
>>127936291>In Jerusalem there is an annual gay pride paradeI believe it is in Tel Aviv To be strictly right, in fact, he sould have “center of pure monotheism“ as Muslims usually do, (because if you ask Christians if they are monotheist, they will answers yes even if Muslims deny it) Jews are 15 millions while Muslims are billions. So he will be true this way.
This is what an Arab scholar reported about India in 7th century when the Arabs had to retreat from India.
>>127936541https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_gay_pride_paradeIts in Jerusalem. Some Orthodox Jew stabbed a bunch of gays once so now all the gays show up to be powerful and support each other
>>127936742So basically this was how Indian society was like pre-Islam:1) Men wore armour and loincloth2) Women walked around naked with only jewellery3) Women had multiple husbands4) There was no paper, Indian scholars wrote on palm leaves and used a thread to tie the leaves to make books. Royal instructions were encoded on stone inscriptions.5) Drinking alcohol was rampant amongst men. 6) There was a Sun worshipping cult (still is)7) There was idolatryBarring 6/7, modern Hindus have given up the first 5 thanks to Islamic influence.
>>127936941It makes sense really, why would any woman want to cover themselves in 50 fucking Celsius? Men wore clothes because they had to fight. Women weren’t warriors. Also, fucking shameful how far we’ve gotten behind. The average Pajeet now thinks rape is justified for any girl for showing shoulder, ankle, feet, and hair.
>>127936941This is why the Muslims in India used the word aurut (genitals) to describe women
>>127937047Yeah ok lol, Ancient Indians were massive homos too. Gay sex is found across scriptures and warriors dress up as twinks in Indian legends. Bet you want all that back as well.
>>127936742>some of them can be white in color but the indians say those came much later
>>127937227Likely not Aryans, the Aryans had mixed 2,200 years ago rather Greeks, Scythian, Tocharian mutts living in India around that time.
>>127937227Kind of crazy 1300 years ago Indians knew their history and worshipped the sun for making them black and now because of the British it’s the opposite and many indinas believe the native Aryan theory
>>127936742VGH..... this is what they took away from us.
>>127937425This is from Marco Polo's account of India after talking with some Indian sailors on the port,>To turn now to other matters, it is a fact that in this country (possibly the Pandyan state) that when a child is born they anoint him with an oil of sesame that makes him grow much darker than when he was born. For I assure you that the darkest man is here the most highly esteemed and is considered better than others who are not so dark. Let me add that in the very truth these people portray and depict their Gods and idols black and devils white as snow. For they say that God and all the Saints are black, and all the devils are white.https://books.google.co.in/books?id=yxP3oJEpGCcC&pg=PT41&lpg=PT41&dq="When+a+child+is+born+they+anoint+him+once+a+week+with+oil+of+sesame,+and+this+makes+him+grow+much+darker’+"&source=bl&ots=zzrktMjXok&sig=ACfU3U1opJk6YYsrH1wgRTvfhX16D9jUcQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJou3f0J7qAhV5zzgGHcl_CVIQ6AEwAHoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q="When%20a%20child%20is%20born%20they%20anoint%20him%20once%20a%20week%20with%20oil%20of%20sesame%2C%20and%20this%20makes%20him%20grow%20much%20darker’%20"&f=falseThis is likely a fallout from the Aryan invasion. Hindus were not one group before the turn of the 17th-18th century. The Aryan Indians worshipped the Aryan Gods, the pre-Aryan Indians worshipped the non-Aryan Gods.
>>127937227probably talking about roman merchants
>>127937633>For they say that God and all the Saints are black, and all the devils are white.hot take
>>127937633They took this from you
>>127937633>all the devils are white.HOLY BASED.
>>127937633>>127936742Al- Hind ...... Home.What could have been
>>127927857that house looks super comfy