DJT is a language learning thread for those studying the Japanese language.Japanese speakers learning English are welcome, too.Read the guide linked below before asking how to learn Japanese:https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/Check the Cornucopia of Resources before asking where to download X or Y:https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/librarymain.htmlArchive of older threads: https://desuarchive.org/int/search/subject/Daily%20Japanese%20Thread/Translation requests, learning method / eceleb discussions: >>>/jp/djtPrevious Thread: >>127881448life feels empty without a djt tab open edition
>>127920676ching chong ping pong who wants to learn CHINKSPEAK?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKQLV8N53AE>sounds just like nanahira
>>127920732this is not chinkspeak.this is godspeak.fatricans.
>replying to bait from someone who most likely immediately left the thread
>>127894360>Easy>It's very hot outside.そと*は、大変*に暑いAll あつい are I-adjective.今日、大変な暑い日だI want to put は after 今日 and say 大変に instead of な, but the original post was not necessarily wrong. And I want to tell you in this case とても(とっても) is more natural than 大変に, or else it may sound bit too rigid.>Sleeping is harder.寝ることはもっと難し*くなったXXになる is for nouns and na-adjectives(because inherently both are same), 難しい is I-adjective do you need to say くなる.>and does the English sentence really convey the same meaning as “sleeping became/has become harder”? Your Japanese text sounds like that., >Medium>It's not clear how long this heat wave is going to last.その猛暑*がどのくらい続く*か(ということ)はまだわかんないFirst が could be replaced with は but が sounds natural here. You can say ということ if you want to use こと(and I was impressed by you knowing that formal noun:形式名詞), but you can omit it as well.And わかんない is a totally casual phase whose power may make the whole sentence sound like a line from Hololive, while 猛暑 sounds relatively more like words from NHK wether report. I prefer to say 暑さ/わかんない 猛暑/ わからない.>It's best to keep the windows shut during the day.昼間は窓を閉め*た方がいい* It’s na-adjectives ending だ, and this いい is an I-adjective. You can say いいのだ if you want to use だ, but it sounds over-alleging and funny here. Listeners may found some hololivity in it. You can say 閉める方, but 閉めた sounds more natural.
>why people call me smug>>127920676>life feels empty without a djt tab open editionOpen hololiveぺこ
>暑すぎるせいか携帯の調子もおかしいShould I really buy IPhone-se? What do you think about it? And what kind of phone are you using, and does it help you to write Japanese text well?
>>127920976>call me smugMaybe some people are 同一視ing you with the German poster and the Pole poster.
>knowing every word in a sentence yet not having a clue what is being saidwhy does life have to be like this
>>127920676Should I learn pitch accent?
is pitch accent the same thing as how perfect changes meaning depending on how you pronounce it?
>>127921840Not really. Pronunciations are way important than pitches. You may get your speech across to us with inaccurate pitches in most cases, but that’s not the case with incorrect pronunciations.
>I read an old novel in which>a poor and young, maybe teenage or so, menial labor of a factory (I meant a 女工) gives all her savings to a third rate actor because she likes him and though it’d please him.>the actor paid no attention to her, in spite of receiving the money with some contemptuous glanceThat’s the reason why I determined to do any sort of donations to those YouTube performers. >but, what can I do to contribute the Hololivibility of the world if it’s not donation?
DJT is the best Japanese language learning hololive shitposting thread on 4chan for むっつりスケベ共 that are interested in everything JapaneseJapanese speakers learning English are welcome as wellHow to learn Japanese:1.Don't waste time/money on garbage like:-All textbooks like Genki, RTK etc.-All mnemonics like KLCC, Kanji Damage etc.-All online courses like Wanikani, Duolingo etc.-All language schools, classrooms etc.-Shitty youtube channels like Cure dolly, matt etc. (日本語の森 is good)-Awful anki decks(only 2k/6k from the OP and a simple yomichan mining deck are good)-Spending 20 hours on Anki daily (you shouldn't spend more than 1-2 hours as a beginner and 30 minutes max after a few months, spamming easy is fine)-JLPT, Kanji Kentei tests etc.-Pitch accent(doesn't actually exist, you can say words however the fuck you want)-Learning how to write on paper (if you really want to waste time on this do it later once you know the basics)Avoiding these beginner traps will cut down your learning time considerably to less than 5 years if you learn every day and never give up2.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnTvarhXH903.Spend a few days getting familiar with hiragana and katakana4.A few months of Anki 6k vocabulary and your favorite grammar guide while reading something easy on the side5.A few years of reading, watching hololive, googling stuff you don't know and you're done!6.Realize there's always more to learn and the ride never ends絶対英語を学べる方法:一つ 楽勝だから方法なんていらないだろうVarious resources:https://www.google.co.jp/https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/https://djtguide.neocities.org/Library:https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/librarymain.htmlArchive of older threads: https://desuarchive.org/int/search/subject/Daily%20Japanese%20Thread/Rudeness/reddit screencaps/ecelebs/shills/autism: >>>/jp/djtPrevious Thread: >>127881448
>>127921946If we met at juggling donuts in Kyoto and we had no problem communicating in Japanese but my pitch accent was off, would you care?
>>127923884>五万張り込んだな>>127924095Never.Even if your pronunciation is kind of off, no one cares.
What you need to anticipate is in reality, in a place like Kyoto today, that people would communicate with you by our off-pronunciation English. Would you care?
>>127924287>gaijin talk to japanese to practice>japanese uses broken english>japanese talk to gaijing to practice>gaijin only broken japanese>everybody learns everything wrongIt can't be helped.
>>127924147Okay thank you, no need to be autistic over correct pronounciation then. When the cards on anki turn G into a NG should I also pronounce it as NG instead of just what it says in kana?>>127924287I follow the people I want to talk to eventually, if the haven't quit by then and they don't understand even basic English on twitter. The Japanese posters in this thread are really good at English compared to them
>>127924287Out of curiosity, how much did you study English? did you start from zero or did you mostly acquire it? and when did you start posting in djt/start studying English?
>>127924542Is that 会って as in "it's an eternal exciting wakuwaku meeting"?
>>127924446>1ズウォティ30円安い>午前何が言いたい>>127924542>永遠なるからかいThis sounds like “teasing someone endlessly”. I guess you meant “エンドレスジョーク”?>>127924654>G into a NG should I also pronounce it as NG instead of just what it says in kana?As in what words?
>>127924494Sounds like a decent new 企画 for hololive.>>127924671そのスマホって日本語打つときどうやんの?やっぱフリップ変換?
When first starting out with anki, is it normal to be unable to recall most of the vocab you have learnt after just 30 minutes? I can recall a lot of the ones learnt the previous day when doing it, but I seem to be unable to recall more than a couple only 30-45 minutes after closing anki.
>>127924707>how much did you study English?We start studying from the age of 13 desu in general. But I had to improve it, with some effort, in order to read and post on this board.>did you start from zero or did you mostly acquire it? I suffered from the perfection tense no less than you do with kanji desu.>and when did you start posting in djt/start studying English?A little bit before than the Pole poster who corrects my English desu.
>>127925207五千午前What I meant was something like a からかい合い where a skilled English speaker would use hard works/talk so fast that a Japanese person wouldn't understand, then the Japanese person would speak fast keigo in revenge so the English speaker wouldn't understand anything.>>127925315これだけど>>127925321You will never be able to remember everything, just keep going
Where the nudes at?
>>127925321its normal, as long as your longer term retention rate is 80%+ then anki's doing its job
>>127925516you're right, I was just worrying since I'm used to remembering vocab more easily; I've still got to get used to remembering two things per vocab
>>127925744I meant the kanji and it's correct pronounciation(was only talking about the front); should have said 3
>>127925949Learn English first
>>127925516>here a skilled English speaker would use hard works/talk so fast that a Japanese person wouldn't understand, then the Japanese person would speak fast keigo in revenge so the English speaker wouldn't understand anything.ああーそれなら>永遠の/なるからかいあいでいいかなあ>終わりのないからかいあいの方がちょっと響きがいいかもでもまだちょっと英語を直訳した感じだけどね>>127925558ウルサイ
seriously guys, just adopt alphabet and add a small number to the words to tell them apart. I know Japanese if fucking mongoloid phonetically speaking but there's no need to overcomplicate things.
I still don't understand how 指can be both finger and toe. Japanese people must be some be up to some kind of wizardry to know the difference without the right context
>>127925321Yes, that's normal. Short term memory can be pretty shit,but after a while the vocab will move to long term memory. Just let anki do it's job and you'll be fine. As you get better, you'll find it easier to learn new words, as you'll be able to connect it words you already know.
>>127927967So this was anki messing with me, not japanese wizardry. Thank you!>I wonder if you are the japanese poster who once posted pic related
>Just as a side note: If you are doing anything like translating in your head you need to stop right now. You are not learning the language and setting yourself up to be permanently crippled. is this true? it sounds retarded because I would internalize cards over time whilst reading right?
Learning to use 顔文字 correctly is more important than learning to handwrite Kanji.
>>127920676i'm incredibly desperate to stick my dick inside the anime girl in this picture
for me it's 貂蟬 from Yokoyama Mitsuteru's adaptation of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms
>>127930419When I talk about what English speakers said to me during the conversation we had, I still can’t remember it in English. (Unless it’s a very short sentence or phrases)What comes to my mind is “what he meant” and in my mind it’s always in Japanese.I think you don’t need to overthink it.>you know who wrote the OP..
>>127931819For me it’s 糜竺, for some reason.
>>127932612I don't know who wrote the op, I was looking at the animecards site. When I think of a conversation that I had with someone in English I will usually remember what they said in English so we're different in that aspect Also for some reason thinking in english seems really normal even though I don't do it besides when I'm speaking/typing in it but thinking in japanese sounds impossible lol. Do you think in polite or plain form?
>>127925006>難しいけど安定はしそうjust found one, I can't make any sense of this at all even though I know the words
>>127933659The animecards site is a meme, don't pay it any mind.
>>127920676I used to think Japanese people were smart, sophisticated, and possessed emotional and intellectual depth.Then I realized all your manners and culture are to hide the chronic lack of substance in your lives. Japanese people think being obtuse is the same thing as being subtle. Your culture, if anything, is more inane than America's ever could be, you lead sheltered lives and have simplistic, childish opinions.
>>127933811It's difficult but it seems like it will be stable(with a sense like "as far as stability goes..." that I'm not gonna bother to try to translate)
>>127933937>he said to the Swedish guywhat did he mean by this?
>>127933937I'm sorry. I know the west is destroying your culture and I feel complicit in my guilt. I rag on you to feel better about my own securities.You were truly a great nation once. Just like us..
>>127934213dude, save it for one of the dozen "do you love japan" threads that are going on at any given time on this board, not here
>>127933659>thinking in english seems really normal 妬ましい>Do you think in polite or plain form?I think usually I don’t think in language unless it’s a small chunk of words or phrases like>やばい>暑いよ畜生>ああーもうどっしよ, or when I am thinking about what I am gonna talk or write, as in when I am thinking about how to tell an excuse for not coming office weekend to my manager by phone.>starting off by coughing and he’d ask me if it’s ok, then I tell him “大丈夫です!”..But I don’t, usually, translate Japanese sentences to English like when I post itt. Do you do translation when talking in Japanese?
>>127933937I hate nips too, but I hate Amerisharts more
>>127934641you're an NPC
Are vtubers actually good for listening practice?
>>127933811>難しいけど安定はしそうSounds like it’s from very specific context, like when you are gonna do simple juggling while splitting your legs to 180 degree wide, putting your feet on two chairs placed in 1.8m distance, and lifting your weight by those feet, in some hololive personality’s cloth.Tossing and catching balls while having that posture is difficult to do indeed, but wearing the outfit of the rabbit or any holos you like will provide you the absolute peace of mind.
>>127934641>Do you do translation when talking in Japanese?I am too much of a beginner to say anything more complicated than A is B kind of sentences, but I tend to read something then translate it to English because I don't trust myself enough to only read the Japanese and then move on. I kind of need to make sense of it which I do by translating it to an English sentence. Now that I think of it, isn't it really weird that I translate it to English instead of Swedish lol>im considering studying really hard before classes start again by the end of august, can one do genki 1&2 without a physical book?
>>127935003Only if you like it.Because if you do, watching them would come to account for 15% of your day. 60% if the time of thinking about it is included.
>>127935535Any personal recommendations?
>>127935238I lol'd irl, but yes it was something like what you are describing :^)>>127935613Akai Haato >but all the other posters will say pekora
>>127933937>I used to think Japanese people were smart, sophisticated, and possessed emotional and intellectual depth.That’s what happens when you watch anime with translation.
>>127935613As far as I know, a Swedish poster frequenting this thread (different one from the Swedish poster posting now) is a real expert of that field. He knows everything so you’re better off asking him for help. He may behave reluctant but in reality he is pleased as hell.
>>127935613I made the bold decision to subscribe to all of them.
>>127936243You better turn on those notifications>where's the Pekora sub
>>127936694>where's the Pekora subOh never mind, it's in there
>>127936694Pekora is in there.
>>127935258>can one do genki 1&2 without a physical book?With that short period of time, I’d say watching the videos of curedolly may be beneficial..(but could it be effective after you gain some grammatical knowledge of the language?) in addition to daily Anki session of course.
>>127937011watching too many videos/reading too many chapters makes my brain turn off, so a work book might work better but I'm probably not gonna have time to finish genki so I'll scrap that idea
>>127937362There probably are, just none that I know of>so many 外人s have bad art styles anyway~
>>127933961is this you? >>127937816but yes thank you american poster, but a translation won't help me understand other sentences in the future, but that's on me I guess.
>>127935613Miko: eliteoRoboco: Good Apex streams, not sure what elseSuisei: Pro gamerMel: Eroi vampire who will succ your bloodMatsuri: Degenerate hormonal bisexualHaato: Butchered English, screaming, insanityAqua: Pro gamerChoco: Rare good english, does as succubi do, pretty chillSubaru: Lots of talking, scrapy autism voice you get used to after a while, quite cool and kinda normieMio: One of the few that try maintain something of an idol imageKorone: /v/, plays heaps of old retro games that attract all the westerners, top cutePekora: PekoRushia: Probably most ez to bullyFlare: Has hidden sexy voice talentsNoel: Random hyper eroi, big tittied ASMRMarine: Degenerate, genuinely good at art and streams drawing oftenKanata: Amazing voice and rangeCoco: Shitpost queen, she is American raised but JapaneseWatame: Calming voice, referred to by some as being like a kindergarten teacherTowa: Often Apex streams, strict scheduling, large foreign fanbaseLuna: boomer baby, can get used to voice after a while, real comfy cute piano learningstreams at night timeThats what I've gathered from what I've watched, took me a while to get through them and I've still only watched some a few times. Just find one or two you like and branch out as stream topics you like pop up over time.For Japanese learning, Mel, Noel, Roboco, Watame and maybe Choco would be best I think, they speak slower and have clear voices. Maybe also kanata and Mio. Korone also has a way of speaking that is relatively good for picking up on what she is saying, though sometimes she will speak fast. Unless you are relatively advanced, best to stick to game streams where there is visual context. Anime and JP tv is probably way better due to better context and a story VS a youtuber who can randomly flip subjects, but it's entertaining and still some input. You would probably get more out of it if you are advanced and understand well, its a real JP person talking live instead of acting.
>>127937433まあ、1ヶ月だし適当にやればいいんじゃないんですか。>>127937821I like them creating their own styles though..
>>127938061Decent list peko
>>127937931>ヒント:ストレス>>127938061>Haato: Butchered EnglishI think her English sounds good..
>>127938333>I think her English sounds good..I think with some practice Watame would be better at English than her. Pekora is genuinely not so bad at English but the 船長 is a lost cause.
>>127938436>Pekora is genuinely not so bad at Englishどの動画見てそう思ったんですか?>but the 船長 is a lost cause.Having been working in a sweatshop workplace right after graduation and devoting all her free time drawing.英語までは求めすぎかと思います。
>>127938077>if only those styles looked decent
>>127938333As an Australian, I don't know how she even manages to get by at school hereShe can speak english, but she honestly seems kinda bad, like someone who just learns a language at school and doesn't do much self study
>>127938895>どの動画見てそう思ったんですか?I don't really have a clip but from what I've seen she can comprehend written English a lot better than most and she can communicate quite well on a very limited vocabulary, which is something I struggle with in any foreign language.
>>127938895To clarify, I'm sure youre English is already much better than はあちゃま's because you don't seem to have much trouble understanding stuff, even though you might complain about spoken English in some videos.
>>127939443i was busy watching 船長 while typing so bad English is rubbing off on me.
You aren't really fluent in English until you start mixing up "your" "you're" a few times
>>127939556so I have gotten worse
船長 is the kind of woman who if she didn't get the Hololive job would now be hard at work to finish her BL同人 in time before COMIKET (only it was also cancelled of course)
>>127939086>she had been kind of enslaved by another Japanese girl because she couldn't make new friends because of her limited English skill>she said, "でも私は英語勉強しなかったの!!(smug)"I think, most of her troubles in school and relationship between her relatives(screaming, and insanity streaming every single night in their house) might be kind of her 自業自得.. >>127939139>she can comprehend written Englishあいつグーグル翻訳使ってませんでしたっけ?>already much better than はあちゃま's if it's out of her mouth I'd be like>(..見え透いたお世辞言ってんじゃねえよこのメスガキ!!)
Friendly reminder to use German dictionaries>>127939855Fuck hololive, destroying promising careers
>>127939957I have to look up Swedish words in English dictionaries all the time, how the fuck do you do it?
>>127939855たしか一度プロデビューしてませんでしたっけ?>as to personality and intriguing topics to talk, I'd say she'd be the best. The rabbit is better with regard to her showmanship, I mean 芸人根性.
>>127940122use a german dictionary
>>127937433the problem with genki is that the shit it teaches you isn't how dialogue is largely spoken in real life.when i started learning japanese i got slightly burnt out on taekim/imabi and since i wasn't able to watch a lot of media then i couldn't practice, thus forgetting somethings. i switched to watching the japanese ammo videos since misa does a surprisingly good job at teaching things slowly and also giving you a plethora of quizzes each episode to test the concepts as she goes along.maybe you'll find value in it who knows, not for everyone but i think it's a good entry point nonetheless.
>>127940232Just import it into yomichanSadly the converter doesn't work with the dictionaries released by wadoku, so you gotta use an old version from https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan/There's also a Swedish dictionary on there :)
>>127940748Oh I thought それほどでない would sound off…Thank you!
>>127940803and as it's a text in a dictionary, I think it should have been>それほどで*はない
is stomach/belly usually written in kana alone? anki deck shows only おなか but jisho isn't saying it's a vocab word that's mostly written in kanathought i'd double-check
how do I know when I can make a new noun by putting two together? can I just say any two nouns together? けつさかな - 竜うんこ?!
>>127941552I'd say it's mostly in kanaお腹 is maybe like less than 20% of cases.
>tfw everyone here but native english speakers use capital i's
>>127941552I've seen お腹 before, if that's what you mean>>127941222I see, thanks!
>>127941691>capitalizing I's, but not the start of your sentences
>>127941689>>127941709hm interesting, neato ty
>>127941630>any two nouns togetheyes but there are some factors you need to take it into account, like>rendakuWe'd say けつざかな>collocation龍グソ, 龍糞, 龍うん may be acceptablebut as for 竜うんこ.. it might be okish as well?>while ウンコ龍 sounds totally valid.
oh, you're better off saying>ドラゴンうんこit sounds as natural as ウンコ龍 or ウンコドラゴン.>btw 雷龍>this is a word sounding cool for me as a native speaker.
>>127941913>rendakuI will look up that in more detail, I have a few cards in anki that does that, I don't know the rules behind it though.I'm probably just going to mine/do core2k for more connected nouns instead of making up my own weird one's, thank you!>>127942189rikaikun says "thunder dragon", probably the opposite of a cool word in English :^) >i like the word axiom
>>127931819there's a manga adaptation of the sanguoyanyi?! sign me the FUG in
>>127938436>Watame would be better at English than her重ねて伺って恐縮なんですが、なぜそう思ったんですか?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFmQyW17NuE
>>127943512could you tell who is who?>manga adaptation of the sanguoyanyitelling the truth, there is a bunch of them.
So how far in your Japanese studies until things clicked and you found yourself able to more easily enjoy native content? Vocabulary count, kanji count, whatever.
>>127944248>kodomo no harain those cases, *artist often choose おなか because it sounds softer and more kind of childish, in order to intentionally make it sound more creepy. But in the case of pic, it sounds like that Mr mammoth is so excited that he uttered more common word, hara, as a kind of reflex, which makes the tweet sound even more creepy.
>>127943923>重ねて伺って恐縮なんですが、なぜそう思ったんですか?It's an old video and Watame has been improving over time and tries to get better, while Haachama doesnt seem to care about improving.
>>127944871>while Haachama doesnt seem to care about improving.あのわためってチューバーの動画初めて見たんですが、並んで喋ってるところ見るとハァトがホントどうしようもねえクソメスガキだって言うのがとてもよくわかりますね。
こんばんわeveryone still seething about the shitposters?question:when did you hit the language learning wall?i'm learning basic kanji and so far I only have trouble with actually writing/applying it in combinations (girl = child/female or female/child)Where does it get hard?
>can't hook the text of the VNTextractor is fucking shit
>>127945024>あのわためってチューバーの動画初めて見たんですが、並んで喋ってるところ見るとハァトがホントどうしようもねえクソメスガキだって言うのがとてもよくわかりますね。Indeed, I would say their personalities are nothing alike.
>やらないでおこーWhy would ないで be used here instead of なくて? I thought ないで was only used with ください?
dude i swear to god i clicked on 1 15 second long vtuber clip and 6 hours of my day just vanished
>>127945854https://www.imabi.net/theparticlete.htm>naide ないで means "without" as in "without doing something," whereas -nakute なくて simply conjoins two clauses with the first happening to be in the negativeやらないでおこー>sounds like "(I'm gonna) leave it without doing that"whileやらなくておこー>(I) didn't do it, and (he) got mad>here, interpreting おこー as おこう(volitional form of verb おく) sounds really odd, so I interpreted it to be おこ(怒っている) instead of that.
>>127944086My humble attemptThe other ones could be literally anyone, hard to tell most characters apart especially when they're portrayed so differently in the video game adaptations, tv show adaptations etc
I do jack shit at my job anyway so I'd like to learn japaneseI absolutely have no idea where to startsomeone told me that hiragana and katakana are super easy to learn but kanji are hell, and I still have no idea what any of them meanDo I just try duolingo or is there better material?
>>127947907Read the OP, retard.
>>127948131noI will be spoonfed
>>127947907Read the guide in the OP.Strt with kana then move on to grammar+Anki
>>127948191Yeah most of us did duolingo until we had a firm grasp of about 100 kanji and by then you know what else to do, since you'll have a better picture of the situationduolingo is underrated, brah, everyone here got where they are through it
>>127947907yes, kanji are almost impossible and most of us learn through romaji so you can ignore them. It usually takes people about 10000 repetitions of writing the kanji to remember the stroke order, and then you have the reading aswell which I don't even wanna get started on and that's only for the radical for 1 (いち)>if you want actual advice (you don't) read the op.
>>127947907>>127948514Yeah.The ultimate learning plan is duolingo, then reading Remembering the Kanji to completion, all the while memorizing the kanji and writing them every day.After that you'll breeze through the rest.
>>127948999>all the while memorizing the kanji and writing them every day.I actually do this lmaoI'll try anki soon enough, probably when school starts because then i'll be exhausted, so i'll balance my learning by doing some online
please include my favourite e-celeb in the guideno i won't go to /jp/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVEcTd6LEwo^ anki videobut even he says that mass repetition is sometimes useful
>>127947907Reported for racist flag
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronis%C5%82aw_Pi%C5%82sudskiWe were weebs before it was cool
Any good podcasts to listen to? maybe on spotify?
fuck this ugly ass chinese character
>>127953245I'm listening to Trash Taste on Fridays.
>>127953245Spotify is absolutely not the platform for Japanese content. Instead check out https://www.onsen.ag or https://hibiki-radio.jp/
>I'm supposed to watch anime in Japanese>It's paused in the background at minute 03:00 for a few hours>I'm watching Magnus Carlsen playing chess insteadevery single day... why is chess so addictive
>>127953724I like this kanji
>>127953757it's my 3rd least favourite kanji after 働 and 遊
>>127953647https://lichess.org/usTqM8yuGive into your weakness, britboy.
It took me a week to learn Hiragana and I'm not even comfortable with Katakana yet. Do I give up?
>>127953902lol it's an average pace and it's normal to be better at hiragana than katakana. But if you already are tired, then you might as well give up, because you need to be motivated constantly for the next few years every day to learn this language
>>127953902if you feel like giving up
>>127953961>>127953973I just see people saying you can do it in 2-4 days and it is demotivating
>>127953245Also for concrete recommendations, you should go for https://hibiki-radio.jp/description/skdw/detail of course.
>>127954211Well done anon
>>127954021it took me longer since i worked through a textbook kekdon't stress about iteveryone has a pacepeople who say they learn it super quickly either do nothing but practice that week, or they are bullshitting
>>127953902Never gonna make it with that attitude. Are you really going to let a bunch of squiggles beat you? Get your ass back up and show them who is boss of this gym.
>>127953902Don't give up, just move on to the grammar & kanji anki decks. You'll get it naturally as a side effect of practicing your decks since it comes up often.
>>127953647(Looks like Rb1 was the move after all, totally forgot about Rxe2 after we trade Queens)
>>127958646I didn't see this move either
>>127953586I see, thanks.I'll listen to those when i cycle to work
A. あんたがのんびりしている間に何が起きたのかA. 1から聞かせてやるから そこに直れっていうの!B. ちっ どうやら最悪の間で 到着してしまったかA. 最悪も最悪よ!What does >最悪も最悪よ!mean?Something like "the worst, indeed"?
Should I just to get more vocabulary and grammar before reading?
>>127961900Japanese isn't for you.I hope you're good at videogames.
I think I'm going to move to a Japanese server on XIV. Wonder if I can handle it
Dang, manzai is actually really funny
>>127962463seriously how much vocab and grammar before reading how many months
>>1279657966 months.You are to read Yotsuba 1 front to back exactly 6 months from now and if you cannot understand it you are no longer welcome in this dojo.
>>127965796Just keep going.I'm not even that far.I have learned both kana and some kanji but the adage goes 'one step at a time to climb a mountain'. If you're lacking resolve now, forget about vocab and grammar.You could take my route of getting textbooks.
>>127965796japanese learning time is said to be 2200 for basic proficiency (not fluency) and takes about 3 to 5 yearsif you can't picture yourself learning japanese in five years, fuck off
>>127965885thank you sensei I'll get started tomorrow
>>127965796Begin reading after you've completed N4 Kanji, vocab, and grammar.
>>127966085Fuck off with this JLPT bullshit retard. You will never make it, but at least don't bring others down with you.
any particular reason for DJT being on two boards?
>>127966016I did that in five months, imagine thinking it takes YEARS. Let me guess, you're one of those "15 new cards a day" types, huh? Step it up and stop mystifying how long it takes for reading basic stuff.
>>127966194The other one is obsessed with some Tyrone dude. This board is obsessed with Matt.
>>127966205do you have a life?
Who else decided to quit their job to persue Japanese full time?
>>1279663054 hours a day should be the minimum. That leaves you with 4 hours of free time to immerse yourself after work (watching anime, games, etc)
>>127966401Yeah, but not for a person who has a social circle to maintain and an education/employment to chase.What good is learning Japanese if it's your only skill?I'll take my time at 18 years of age to master the language.
>>127966357Sounds like a good way to irreversibly fuck up your life when you consider you could just aswell emigrate to Japan and follow a language learning course by having a job in the US and being frugal for a good year.
>>127948999where the fuck is polebro when you need him to correct posts like this
>>127966532Japanese is beautiful. I remember reading my grammar book of choice for hours just for fun. I love everything Japanese (besides the obvious bad stuff) and I want to get a job using my Japanese language skills someday. It's the only thing keeping me from finding the nearest building and jumping off of it. If I'm studying I don't have to worry about anything else.
>>127966775Sounds like an obsessive problem that will get you killed sooner or later.Move to Japan if that's what you want, but seek psychological treatment first.
I couldn't make friends in America, but once I move to Japan I'll have loads of friends!
>>127966947I'm not that person and while that sentiment is generally played out and overused, it is quite shocking the difference in attitudes from the US and other asian countries.but then again most people are just weirdos so it's all for moot
>>127967014One guy I met told me he was worked to death in Japan and didn't enjoy the experience very much before coming back. He spoke good Japanese and studied it in university.
>>127967131Of course he was, people legitimately think Japan is like a fucking anime with everyone running around eating toast and happy and then get a rude awakening when it's actually a real place with real pros/cons
>>127967214I do consider myself a massive weeb, so I wouldn't mind spending a portion of my life there as expat, not sure how I could fit that in with other plans. It seems like a good fit in top five countries one would want to move to in event of national failure or dissatisfaction.
>>127967214I know Japan isn't like an anime, that's why I specified how I liked everything except the bad things. I at most would only want to visit, or maybe settle down if I could find something comfy.
>>127967602same british shitposter adding nothing to the thread, just ignore him and move on
>>127967698yea because you're adding anything with your JLPT shitcharts
You look away for a second and the retard dekinais start handing out advice on how to learn Japanese again.
>>127967520What's after death is nothing but uncertainty.Make the best of this life and become religious if that's your fancy. Don't try to guess at what comes after.
>>127967853I'm learning Japanese from only watching peko
>>127967969who is this pekora whore?
>>127967969Not enough, you need a least 4 vtubers to learn this language.
>>127967934Yes it's uncertain, but these are the possibilities. So you have 1/3rd chance for each scenario. And believing in any one of them with all your might is equally dumb.
>>127968015an annoying VTuber
How to know if Anki is working?
>>127968247google kekma dot gathat way you can measure your progress in increments
>>127968247You won't know for at least 2 years
Has anybody done a japanese language exchange irl? I'm thinking of joining one that uses the meetup.com site to organize but i think i'd prefer to join a meetup that advertises itself offline instead, it seems comfier.
>>127968903Yes, multiple times. It's good and you should do it.
>>127968948Was it like an international meetup, jp culture, language exchange group, language partner finding organizer?
>>127969082I went to weekly language exchange meetings at a cafe here where it was mostly a groups of Japanese exchange students. I also met up with an exchange student for 1 to 1 language exchange sessions last year around here. A few years ago I went to Japan on a language exchange program, which included a homestay.Just take whatever opportunity you have I guess, none of those experiences were bad, although by now I prefer going to Japan on my own rather than some exchange thing.
>>127969462Aren't you fucking tied by some shitty schedule in that you can't just do your own thing even if it's 5km away?
>talking to random peopleFuck off normies
>アーチャーの様子が変だって 気付いてないの?>昨日の今日なのよ!>まとまるものも まとまらないじゃないwhat does the last line mean? I don't understand it at all. Could someone translate more or less, might be literal
>>127969590>Aren't you fucking tied by some shitty schedule in that you can't just do your own thing even if it's 5km away?The language exchange in Japan was me being railroaded for a solid month with basically a set program from morning to evening each and every day with very little autonomy. Which is exactly why I wouldn't want to repeat something like this. In its own way it was a quintessential Japanese experience however.The language exchange things that happen here in Germany are quite relaxed and not that committed of course. It's just going to a place and talking to people for a couple of hours.
>>127969462I'm so jealous you have stuff like that. There probably isn't a single Japanese person in the shithole I live in, and it's really difficult to find good people online.
>>127969759>In its own way it was a quintessential Japanese experience however.I can picture that.What would a typical look like?
>>127969462The weekly cafe meetings sounds exactly like what i was looking for. How did you find out about them? Fliers or something?
>>127969980>it's really difficult to find good people onlineThere's a lot of boring and entitled Japanese basic bitches out there, but I've had a fair amount of success finding language partners online. They will usually give you a shot if you message them mostly in Japanese at first and aren't from India.
>>127969980>difficult to find good people online.Whats wrong with hellotalk, i've met a couple really cool people on there
>>127969980Usually, but since March there has been absolutely nothing since Rona cancelled everything. So I haven't met anyone either.>>127970086I assume you mean a typical day?>get up for breakfast at the host familys house>get dropped off at the language school for morning classes>lunch with the language school>excursion to some Japanese culture thing in the afternoon e.g. 弓道、華道 or some museum>get back and picked up by the host family>dinner and whatever thing in the eveningWeekends had longer excursions. Once we went to a 中学校 for 文化祭>>127970218Theyre loosely organized by one of the big universities in this city. In general all those programs I did were through university to some degree.
>>127970266I've tried hellotalk for before, but I didn't really have any luck. Or I was just too autistic to keep a conversation going. But I really sucked back then, so I suppose I'll give it a try again.>>127970254Are you also talking about hellotalk?
>>127970526It's probably you, m8
>>127970526Yeah hellotalk. Make sure you post moments of your own or else you might look creepy.Lang-8 was good too but there was no real time chat, and I think they froze new sign ups. I tried interpals(?) at one point too, but it was pretty depressing.
How do I even practice reading Japanese if I can’t understand most kanji? I’ve just been reading the hiragana/katakana and skipping over kanji but that seems retarded.
>>127972015Just use context. None of us can read any kanji bro, we just read the surrounding kana and make an educated guess.
>>127972015For the very start learn vocabulary and practice with the example sentences. You can start reading easy manga like Yotsuba at around 500 words. But manga usually has too little text, so at around 3000 words you should try to read some simpler novels. From there just keep learning words and reading, after like 10 books it starts getting pretty easy.
>>127972015Graded readers. The link in the OP has some you can download. There were some easier ones floating around somewhere, but I'm not sure where I found them.
>>127972015purchase kanji textbookpractice a few while listening to a podcast of choicekeep writing in a notebooki can probably write most of what i've learned on top of my head15 lines for every kanji
>>127972015Graded readers and also download Genki and do the reading sections. Ripping the audio form Genki is also good listening practice.
What I hate most are normalfaggots who know NOTHING of Japanese and watched two anime and pretend that they are into the culture or language.One of my friends fucking came up to me and said he was learning Japanese, and when I asked if he did kana or kanji he said he was just learning conversation and words.Normalfaggots ideas of a barrier of entry into a subculture/interest are fucking astounding.
>>127972869If you can't rewrite your post in Japanese then you are the normalfaggot mijn vriend
>>127972946I just started a month or so ago but atleast i'm not like that Algerian faggot who said he knew 'a few hiragana and random words' or my friend who is 'learning' japanese.
>>127973032>I started off a month agocringe gatekeeping cringe
>>127973467bro you're the one who's been at it one fucking month and acting like you're the be all and end all of learning Japanese. Fuck off. It's cringe.
>>127973544lmao you're taking over when swedebro is sleeping?DJT is one massive dogpile of one poster deriding anothers' progressatleast let me mock normoids in peace
>>127973611sorry bro, until you're proficient in nip, you have no right to mock normies
>>127973684>right>right>rightyou don't understandthere's no unwritten lawnormanimals need to be put down whenever they buy merchandise with japanese typography or pretend to be moderately interested in japanese
>>127973765shut the fuck up retard and study some more Japanese
>>127973806It's 3:12too late for studyingtime for anime, manga and bed
>>127974473I wish I could go back in time and shoot Eve in the head. 人類 は mistake です
Remember that vtubers are far more useful than anime.
>>127974609I refuse to believe every human is worth the same.There are better humans and there are worse humans.Basic grammar and spelling and a bit of perspective with a healthy dose of intelligence are some examples of human traits.
>>127974611good podcastmost of it is joey and garnt feigning surprise at connor's autism and them asking joey what it's like to be a 'native'though this belongs in /jp/