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DJT is a language learning thread for those studying the Japanese language.
Japanese speakers learning English are welcome, too.

Read the guide linked below before asking how to learn Japanese:
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

Check the Cornucopia of Resources before asking where to download X or Y:
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/librarymain.html

Archive of older threads: https://desuarchive.org/int/search/subject/Daily%20Japanese%20Thread/

Translation requests, learning method / eceleb discussions: >>>/jp/djt

Previous Thread: >>127881448

life feels empty without a djt tab open edition
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yay!! Ichiban!!!
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>>127920676
ching chong ping pong who wants to learn CHINKSPEAK?
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>>127920732
吾輩
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKQLV8N53AE
>sounds just like nanahira
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>>127920732
Monolingual seething
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>>127920732
this is not chinkspeak.
this is godspeak.
fatricans.
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>replying to bait from someone who most likely immediately left the thread
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>>127894360
>Easy
>It's very hot outside.
そと*は、大変*に暑い
All あつい are I-adjective.
今日、大変な暑い日だ
I want to put は after 今日 and say 大変に instead of な, but the original post was not necessarily wrong.
And I want to tell you in this case とても(とっても) is more natural than 大変に, or else it may sound bit too rigid.
>Sleeping is harder.
寝ることはもっと難し*くなった
XXになる is for nouns and na-adjectives(because inherently both are same), 難しい is I-adjective do you need to say くなる.
>and does the English sentence really convey the same meaning as “sleeping became/has become harder”? Your Japanese text sounds like that.
,
>Medium
>It's not clear how long this heat wave is going to last.
その猛暑*がどのくらい続く*か(ということ)はまだわかんない
First が could be replaced with は but が sounds natural here. You can say ということ if you want to use こと(and I was impressed by you knowing that formal noun:形式名詞), but you can omit it as well.
And わかんない is a totally casual phase whose power may make the whole sentence sound like a line from Hololive, while 猛暑 sounds relatively more like words from NHK wether report. I prefer to say 暑さ/わかんない 猛暑/ わからない.
>It's best to keep the windows shut during the day.
昼間は窓を閉め*た方がいい*
It’s na-adjectives ending だ, and this いい is an I-adjective. You can say いいのだ if you want to use だ, but it sounds over-alleging and funny here. Listeners may found some hololivity in it. You can say 閉める方, but 閉めた sounds more natural.
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>why people call me smug
>>127920676
>life feels empty without a djt tab open edition
Open hololiveぺこ
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暑い
でもまだ本番じゃないのきっと
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>暑すぎるせいか携帯の調子もおかしい
Should I really buy IPhone-se? What do you think about it? And what kind of phone are you using, and does it help you to write Japanese text well?
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>>127920976
>call me smug
Maybe some people are 同一視ing you with the German poster and the Pole poster.
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>knowing every word in a sentence yet not having a clue what is being said
why does life have to be like this
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>>127920676
Should I learn pitch accent?
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>>127921667
yes
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>>127921768
no
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is pitch accent the same thing as how perfect changes meaning depending on how you pronounce it?
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>>127921840
Not really. Pronunciations are way important than pitches. You may get your speech across to us with inaccurate pitches in most cases, but that’s not the case with incorrect pronunciations.
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>>127920796
>>127922361
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>I read an old novel in which
>a poor and young, maybe teenage or so, menial labor of a factory (I meant a 女工) gives all her savings to a third rate actor because she likes him and though it’d please him.
>the actor paid no attention to her, in spite of receiving the money with some contemptuous glance
That’s the reason why I determined to do any sort of donations to those YouTube performers.
>but, what can I do to contribute the Hololivibility of the world if it’s not donation?
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DJT is the best Japanese language learning hololive shitposting thread on 4chan for むっつりスケベ共 that are interested in everything Japanese
Japanese speakers learning English are welcome as well

How to learn Japanese:
1.Don't waste time/money on garbage like:
-All textbooks like Genki, RTK etc.
-All mnemonics like KLCC, Kanji Damage etc.
-All online courses like Wanikani, Duolingo etc.
-All language schools, classrooms etc.
-Shitty youtube channels like Cure dolly, matt etc. (日本語の森 is good)
-Awful anki decks(only 2k/6k from the OP and a simple yomichan mining deck are good)
-Spending 20 hours on Anki daily (you shouldn't spend more than 1-2 hours as a beginner and 30 minutes max after a few months, spamming easy is fine)
-JLPT, Kanji Kentei tests etc.
-Pitch accent(doesn't actually exist, you can say words however the fuck you want)
-Learning how to write on paper (if you really want to waste time on this do it later once you know the basics)
Avoiding these beginner traps will cut down your learning time considerably to less than 5 years if you learn every day and never give up
2.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnTvarhXH90
3.Spend a few days getting familiar with hiragana and katakana
4.A few months of Anki 6k vocabulary and your favorite grammar guide while reading something easy on the side
5.A few years of reading, watching hololive, googling stuff you don't know and you're done!
6.Realize there's always more to learn and the ride never ends
絶対英語を学べる方法:
一つ 楽勝だから方法なんていらないだろう

Various resources:
https://www.google.co.jp/
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/
https://djtguide.neocities.org/
Library:
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/librarymain.html

Archive of older threads: https://desuarchive.org/int/search/subject/Daily%20Japanese%20Thread/

Rudeness/reddit screencaps/ecelebs/shills/autism: >>>/jp/djt

Previous Thread: >>127881448
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>>127923341
師匠はどんな携帯使ってんだっけ?
いくらぐらいした?
スマホって高くってムカつく。
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うてー!
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>>127923780
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>>127923734
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>>127921946
If we met at juggling donuts in Kyoto and we had no problem communicating in Japanese but my pitch accent was off, would you care?
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>>127923884
>五万
張り込んだな
>>127924095
Never.
Even if your pronunciation is kind of off, no one cares.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT0Mc7TXmG8
>>127924147
>五万
五千やろ
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What you need to anticipate is in reality, in a place like Kyoto today, that people would communicate with you by our off-pronunciation English. Would you care?
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>>127924287
What?
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>>127924266
>五千
そうなの?
つーかさー何万も取るんなら個人情報抜かないでほしいわマジで
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>>127924299
英語が話せないフリすれば大丈夫だよ
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>>127924353
午前
>個人情報抜かない
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>>127924287
>gaijin talk to japanese to practice
>japanese uses broken english
>japanese talk to gaijing to practice
>gaijin only broken japanese
>everybody learns everything wrong
It can't be helped.
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>>127924494
永遠なるからかいってわくわくするよね
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>>127924147
Okay thank you, no need to be autistic over correct pronounciation then. When the cards on anki turn G into a NG should I also pronounce it as NG instead of just what it says in kana?

>>127924287
I follow the people I want to talk to eventually, if the haven't quit by then and they don't understand even basic English on twitter. The Japanese posters in this thread are really good at English compared to them
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>>127924446
つーかさーなんでこいつがうちのスマホより二倍強いんじゃよ
同じモデルやろ
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>>127924287
Out of curiosity, how much did you study English? did you start from zero or did you mostly acquire it? and when did you start posting in djt/start studying English?
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>>127924542
Is that 会って as in "it's an eternal exciting wakuwaku meeting"?
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>>127924789
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>>127921556
what sentence?
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>>127924494
lol
good joke
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>>127924446
>1ズウォティ30円
安い
>午前
何が言いたい
>>127924542
>永遠なるからかい
This sounds like “teasing someone endlessly”. I guess you meant “エンドレスジョーク”?
>>127924654
>G into a NG should I also pronounce it as NG instead of just what it says in kana?
As in what words?
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>>127924494
Sounds like a decent new 企画 for hololive.
>>127924671
そのスマホって日本語打つときどうやんの?やっぱフリップ変換?
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When first starting out with anki, is it normal to be unable to recall most of the vocab you have learnt after just 30 minutes? I can recall a lot of the ones learnt the previous day when doing it, but I seem to be unable to recall more than a couple only 30-45 minutes after closing anki.
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>>127924707
>how much did you study English?
We start studying from the age of 13 desu in general. But I had to improve it, with some effort, in order to read and post on this board.
>did you start from zero or did you mostly acquire it?
I suffered from the perfection tense no less than you do with kanji desu.
>and when did you start posting in djt/start studying English?
A little bit before than the Pole poster who corrects my English desu.
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>>127925207
五千午前
What I meant was something like a からかい合い where a skilled English speaker would use hard works/talk so fast that a Japanese person wouldn't understand, then the Japanese person would speak fast keigo in revenge so the English speaker wouldn't understand anything.
>>127925315
これだけど
>>127925321
You will never be able to remember everything, just keep going
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クス
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Where the nudes at?
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>>127925321
its normal, as long as your longer term retention rate is 80%+ then anki's doing its job
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>>127925516
you're right, I was just worrying since I'm used to remembering vocab more easily; I've still got to get used to remembering two things per vocab
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>>127925709
>two things
lol
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>>127925744
I meant the kanji and it's correct pronounciation(was only talking about the front); should have said 3
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>>127925949
Learn English first
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>>127925516
>here a skilled English speaker would use hard works/talk so fast that a Japanese person wouldn't understand, then the Japanese person would speak fast keigo in revenge so the English speaker wouldn't understand anything.
ああーそれなら
>永遠の/なるからかいあい
でいいかなあ
>終わりのないからかいあい
の方がちょっと響きがいいかも
でもまだちょっと英語を直訳した感じだけどね
>>127925558
ウルサイ
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>>127925995
ありがとうございました
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ittekimas
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>>127926202
journey
matter net
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>>127926202
ganbattekudasai
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>>127926259
>十分かかりました
>わかるまで
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seriously guys, just adopt alphabet and add a small number to the words to tell them apart. I know Japanese if fucking mongoloid phonetically speaking but there's no need to overcomplicate things.
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>>127926796
Mamahuevo
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I still don't understand how 指can be both finger and toe. Japanese people must be some be up to some kind of wizardry to know the difference without the right context
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>>127927811
>toe
つま先
足の指
足趾(uncommon)
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>>127925321
Yes, that's normal. Short term memory can be pretty shit,but after a while the vocab will move to long term memory. Just let anki do it's job and you'll be fine. As you get better, you'll find it easier to learn new words, as you'll be able to connect it words you already know.
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>>127927967
So this was anki messing with me, not japanese wizardry. Thank you!

>I wonder if you are the japanese poster who once posted pic related
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玉、酢の匂いがする
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>Just as a side note: If you are doing anything like translating in your head you need to stop right now. You are not learning the language and setting yourself up to be permanently crippled.


is this true? it sounds retarded because I would internalize cards over time whilst reading right?
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Learning to use 顔文字 correctly is more important than learning to handwrite Kanji.
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>>127920676
i'm incredibly desperate to stick my dick inside the anime girl in this picture
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for me it's 貂蟬 from Yokoyama Mitsuteru's adaptation of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms
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>>127928569
玉生酢
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>>127930419
When I talk about what English speakers said to me during the conversation we had, I still can’t remember it in English. (Unless it’s a very short sentence or phrases)
What comes to my mind is “what he meant” and in my mind it’s always in Japanese.
I think you don’t need to overthink it.
>you know who wrote the OP..
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>>127931819
For me it’s 糜竺, for some reason.
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>>127921667
of course
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>>127932612
I don't know who wrote the op, I was looking at the animecards site. When I think of a conversation that I had with someone in English I will usually remember what they said in English so we're different in that aspect

Also for some reason thinking in english seems really normal even though I don't do it besides when I'm speaking/typing in it but thinking in japanese sounds impossible lol. Do you think in polite or plain form?
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>>127925006
>難しいけど安定はしそう
just found one, I can't make any sense of this at all even though I know the words
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>>127933659
The animecards site is a meme, don't pay it any mind.
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>>127920676
I used to think Japanese people were smart, sophisticated, and possessed emotional and intellectual depth.

Then I realized all your manners and culture are to hide the chronic lack of substance in your lives. Japanese people think being obtuse is the same thing as being subtle. Your culture, if anything, is more inane than America's ever could be, you lead sheltered lives and have simplistic, childish opinions.
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>>127933811
It's difficult but it seems like it will be stable
(with a sense like "as far as stability goes..." that I'm not gonna bother to try to translate)
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>>127933937
>he said to the Swedish guy
what did he mean by this?
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>>127933937
I'm sorry. I know the west is destroying your culture and I feel complicit in my guilt. I rag on you to feel better about my own securities.

You were truly a great nation once. Just like us..
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>>127934213
dude, save it for one of the dozen "do you love japan" threads that are going on at any given time on this board, not here
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>>127933937
日本の文化はよくご存知のようだ
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>>127933659
>thinking in english seems really normal
妬ましい
>Do you think in polite or plain form?
I think usually I don’t think in language unless it’s a small chunk of words or phrases like
>やばい
>暑いよ畜生
>ああーもうどっしよ
, or when I am thinking about what I am gonna talk or write, as in when I am thinking about how to tell an excuse for not coming office weekend to my manager by phone.
>starting off by coughing and he’d ask me if it’s ok, then I tell him “大丈夫です!”..
But I don’t, usually, translate Japanese sentences to English like when I post itt. Do you do translation when talking in Japanese?
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>>127933937
I hate nips too, but I hate Amerisharts more
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>>127934641
you're an NPC
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Are vtubers actually good for listening practice?
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>>127933811
>難しいけど安定はしそう
Sounds like it’s from very specific context, like when you are gonna do simple juggling while splitting your legs to 180 degree wide, putting your feet on two chairs placed in 1.8m distance, and lifting your weight by those feet, in some hololive personality’s cloth.
Tossing and catching balls while having that posture is difficult to do indeed, but wearing the outfit of the rabbit or any holos you like will provide you the absolute peace of mind.
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>>127934641
>Do you do translation when talking in Japanese?
I am too much of a beginner to say anything more complicated than A is B kind of sentences, but I tend to read something then translate it to English because I don't trust myself enough to only read the Japanese and then move on. I kind of need to make sense of it which I do by translating it to an English sentence.

Now that I think of it, isn't it really weird that I translate it to English instead of Swedish lol

>im considering studying really hard before classes start again by the end of august, can one do genki 1&2 without a physical book?
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>>127935003
Only if you like it.
Because if you do, watching them would come to account for 15% of your day. 60% if the time of thinking about it is included.
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>>127935535
Any personal recommendations?
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>>127935238
I lol'd irl, but yes it was something like what you are describing :^)

>>127935613
Akai Haato
>but all the other posters will say pekora
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>>127933937
>I used to think Japanese people were smart, sophisticated, and possessed emotional and intellectual depth.
That’s what happens when you watch anime with translation.
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>>127935613
As far as I know, a Swedish poster frequenting this thread (different one from the Swedish poster posting now) is a real expert of that field. He knows everything so you’re better off asking him for help. He may behave reluctant but in reality he is pleased as hell.
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>>127934976
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>>127935613
I made the bold decision to subscribe to all of them.
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>>127936190
なんだろう
少し悲しくなった
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>>127936243
kek
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>>127934064
ところで晩酌しながらマリン見てる時って、ちゃんと日本語で画面の中の船長に話しかけてますか?まあシャドーイングでもいいですけど。そういう習慣が大事だと思います。
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS4BwMGvBrQ
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>>127936243
You better turn on those notifications
>where's the Pekora sub
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>>127936694
>where's the Pekora sub
Oh never mind, it's in there
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>>127936694
Pekora is in there.
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>>127936769
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>>127935258
>can one do genki 1&2 without a physical book?
With that short period of time, I’d say watching the videos of curedolly may be beneficial..(but could it be effective after you gain some grammatical knowledge of the language?) in addition to daily Anki session of course.
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>>127936856
オーストリアに同人作家っていないんですか。
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>>127937011
watching too many videos/reading too many chapters makes my brain turn off, so a work book might work better but I'm probably not gonna have time to finish genki so I'll scrap that idea
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>>127935659
...you're welcome
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>>127937362
There probably are, just none that I know of
>so many 外人s have bad art styles anyway~
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>>127936613
日本語って独り言に向かないよな
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>>127933961
is this you? >>127937816

but yes thank you american poster, but a translation won't help me understand other sentences in the future, but that's on me I guess.
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>>127935613
Miko: eliteo
Roboco: Good Apex streams, not sure what else
Suisei: Pro gamer
Mel: Eroi vampire who will succ your blood
Matsuri: Degenerate hormonal bisexual
Haato: Butchered English, screaming, insanity
Aqua: Pro gamer
Choco: Rare good english, does as succubi do, pretty chill
Subaru: Lots of talking, scrapy autism voice you get used to after a while, quite cool and kinda normie
Mio: One of the few that try maintain something of an idol image
Korone: /v/, plays heaps of old retro games that attract all the westerners, top cute
Pekora: Peko
Rushia: Probably most ez to bully
Flare: Has hidden sexy voice talents
Noel: Random hyper eroi, big tittied ASMR
Marine: Degenerate, genuinely good at art and streams drawing often
Kanata: Amazing voice and range
Coco: Shitpost queen, she is American raised but Japanese
Watame: Calming voice, referred to by some as being like a kindergarten teacher
Towa: Often Apex streams, strict scheduling, large foreign fanbase
Luna: boomer baby, can get used to voice after a while, real comfy cute piano learningstreams at night time

Thats what I've gathered from what I've watched, took me a while to get through them and I've still only watched some a few times. Just find one or two you like and branch out as stream topics you like pop up over time.

For Japanese learning, Mel, Noel, Roboco, Watame and maybe Choco would be best I think, they speak slower and have clear voices. Maybe also kanata and Mio. Korone also has a way of speaking that is relatively good for picking up on what she is saying, though sometimes she will speak fast.
Unless you are relatively advanced, best to stick to game streams where there is visual context. Anime and JP tv is probably way better due to better context and a story VS a youtuber who can randomly flip subjects, but it's entertaining and still some input. You would probably get more out of it if you are advanced and understand well, its a real JP person talking live instead of acting.
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>>127937433
まあ、1ヶ月だし適当にやればいいんじゃないんですか。
>>127937821
I like them creating their own styles though..
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>>127938061
Decent list peko
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>>127937931
>ヒント:ストレス
>>127938061
>Haato: Butchered English
I think her English sounds good..
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>>127938333
>I think her English sounds good..
I think with some practice Watame would be better at English than her. Pekora is genuinely not so bad at English but the 船長 is a lost cause.
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>>127938436
>Pekora is genuinely not so bad at English
どの動画見てそう思ったんですか?
>but the 船長 is a lost cause.
Having been working in a sweatshop workplace right after graduation and devoting all her free time drawing.
英語までは求めすぎかと思います。
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>>127938077
>if only those styles looked decent
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>>127938333
As an Australian, I don't know how she even manages to get by at school here
She can speak english, but she honestly seems kinda bad, like someone who just learns a language at school and doesn't do much self study
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>>127938895
>どの動画見てそう思ったんですか?
I don't really have a clip but from what I've seen she can comprehend written English a lot better than most and she can communicate quite well on a very limited vocabulary, which is something I struggle with in any foreign language.
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>>127938895
To clarify, I'm sure youre English is already much better than はあちゃま's because you don't seem to have much trouble understanding stuff, even though you might complain about spoken English in some videos.
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>>127939400
>youre English
:^)
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>>127939443
i was busy watching 船長 while typing so bad English is rubbing off on me.
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You aren't really fluent in English until you start mixing up "your" "you're" a few times
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>>127939556
so I have gotten worse
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船長 is the kind of woman who if she didn't get the Hololive job would now be hard at work to finish her BL同人 in time before COMIKET (only it was also cancelled of course)
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>>127939086
>she had been kind of enslaved by another Japanese girl because she couldn't make new friends because of her limited English skill
>she said, "でも私は英語勉強しなかったの!!(smug)"
I think, most of her troubles in school and relationship between her relatives(screaming, and insanity streaming every single night in their house) might be kind of her 自業自得..
>>127939139
>she can comprehend written English
あいつグーグル翻訳使ってませんでしたっけ?
>already much better than はあちゃま's
if it's out of her mouth I'd be like
>(..見え透いたお世辞言ってんじゃねえよこのメスガキ!!)
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Friendly reminder to use German dictionaries
>>127939855
Fuck hololive, destroying promising careers
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>>127939957
I have to look up Swedish words in English dictionaries all the time, how the fuck do you do it?
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>>127939855
たしか一度プロデビューしてませんでしたっけ?
>as to personality and intriguing topics to talk, I'd say she'd be the best. The rabbit is better with regard to her showmanship, I mean 芸人根性.
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>>127940081
Do what?
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>>127940122
use a german dictionary
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>>127937433
the problem with genki is that the shit it teaches you isn't how dialogue is largely spoken in real life.

when i started learning japanese i got slightly burnt out on taekim/imabi and since i wasn't able to watch a lot of media then i couldn't practice, thus forgetting somethings. i switched to watching the japanese ammo videos since misa does a surprisingly good job at teaching things slowly and also giving you a plethora of quizzes each episode to test the concepts as she goes along.

maybe you'll find value in it who knows, not for everyone but i think it's a good entry point nonetheless.
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>>127940232
Just import it into yomichan
Sadly the converter doesn't work with the dictionaries released by wadoku, so you gotta use an old version from https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan/
There's also a Swedish dictionary on there :)
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>http://kotowaza-allguide.com/mo/monomoiiyoukado.html
>それほでないことでも
>それほ?
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>>127940665
>それほ*ど
a typo
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>>127940748
Oh I thought それほどでない would sound off…
Thank you!
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>>127940803
and as it's a text in a dictionary, I think it should have been
>それほどで*はない
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is stomach/belly usually written in kana alone? anki deck shows only おなか but jisho isn't saying it's a vocab word that's mostly written in kana

thought i'd double-check
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how do I know when I can make a new noun by putting two together? can I just say any two nouns together? けつさかな - 竜うんこ?!
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>>127941552
I'd say it's mostly in kana
お腹 is maybe like less than 20% of cases.
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>tfw everyone here but native english speakers use capital i's
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>>127941552
I've seen お腹 before, if that's what you mean
>>127941222
I see, thanks!
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>>127941691
>capitalizing I's, but not the start of your sentences
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>>127941689
>>127941709
hm interesting, neato ty
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>>127941630
>any two nouns togethe
yes but there are some factors you need to take it into account, like
>rendaku
We'd say けつざかな
>collocation
龍グソ, 龍糞, 龍うん may be acceptable
but as for 竜うんこ.. it might be okish as well?
>while ウンコ龍 sounds totally valid.
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oh, you're better off saying
>ドラゴンうんこ
it sounds as natural as ウンコ龍 or ウンコドラゴン.
>btw 雷龍
>this is a word sounding cool for me as a native speaker.
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>>127941913
>rendaku
I will look up that in more detail, I have a few cards in anki that does that, I don't know the rules behind it though.

I'm probably just going to mine/do core2k for more connected nouns instead of making up my own weird one's, thank you!

>>127942189
rikaikun says "thunder dragon", probably the opposite of a cool word in English :^)

>i like the word axiom
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>>127931819
there's a manga adaptation of the sanguoyanyi?! sign me the FUG in
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>>127938436
>Watame would be better at English than her
重ねて伺って恐縮なんですが、なぜそう思ったんですか?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFmQyW17NuE
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>>127943512
could you tell who is who?
>manga adaptation of the sanguoyanyi
telling the truth, there is a bunch of them.
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So how far in your Japanese studies until things clicked and you found yourself able to more easily enjoy native content? Vocabulary count, kanji count, whatever.
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>>127941552
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>>127944248
based
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>>127944248
It's HARA
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>>127944489
原?薔薇?
日本語わかりません
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>>127944248
>kodomo no hara
in those cases, *artist often choose おなか because it sounds softer and more kind of childish, in order to intentionally make it sound more creepy.
But in the case of pic, it sounds like that Mr mammoth is so excited that he uttered more common word, hara, as a kind of reflex, which makes the tweet sound even more creepy.
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>>127944702
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>>127944702
"腹"です。音読みです。
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>>127943923
>重ねて伺って恐縮なんですが、なぜそう思ったんですか?
It's an old video and Watame has been improving over time and tries to get better, while Haachama doesnt seem to care about improving.
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>>127944844
胎児の腹はエロくないぞ
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>>127944871
>while Haachama doesnt seem to care about improving.
あのわためってチューバーの動画初めて見たんですが、並んで喋ってるところ見るとハァトがホントどうしようもねえクソメスガキだって言うのがとてもよくわかりますね。
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こんばんわ

everyone still seething about the shitposters?
question:
when did you hit the language learning wall?
i'm learning basic kanji and so far I only have trouble with actually writing/applying it in combinations (girl = child/female or female/child)
Where does it get hard?
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>can't hook the text of the VN
Textractor is fucking shit
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>>127945024
>あのわためってチューバーの動画初めて見たんですが、並んで喋ってるところ見るとハァトがホントどうしようもねえクソメスガキだって言うのがとてもよくわかりますね。
Indeed, I would say their personalities are nothing alike.
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>やらないでおこー
Why would ないで be used here instead of なくて? I thought ないで was only used with ください?
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dude i swear to god i clicked on 1 15 second long vtuber clip and 6 hours of my day just vanished
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>>127945854
https://www.imabi.net/theparticlete.htm
>naide ないで means "without" as in "without doing something," whereas -nakute なくて simply conjoins two clauses with the first happening to be in the negative
やらないでおこー
>sounds like "(I'm gonna) leave it without doing that"
while
やらなくておこー
>(I) didn't do it, and (he) got mad
>here, interpreting おこー as おこう(volitional form of verb おく) sounds really odd, so I interpreted it to be おこ(怒っている) instead of that.
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失礼します
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>>127947205
お疲れさまでした
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睡眠ってなーに?
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>>127944086
My humble attempt
The other ones could be literally anyone, hard to tell most characters apart especially when they're portrayed so differently in the video game adaptations, tv show adaptations etc
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I do jack shit at my job anyway so I'd like to learn japanese
I absolutely have no idea where to start
someone told me that hiragana and katakana are super easy to learn but kanji are hell, and I still have no idea what any of them mean

Do I just try duolingo or is there better material?
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>>127947907
Read the OP, retard.
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>>127948131
no

I will be spoonfed
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>>127947907
Read the guide in the OP.
Strt with kana then move on to grammar+Anki
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>>127948191
Yeah most of us did duolingo until we had a firm grasp of about 100 kanji and by then you know what else to do, since you'll have a better picture of the situation
duolingo is underrated, brah, everyone here got where they are through it
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>>127947907
yes, kanji are almost impossible and most of us learn through romaji so you can ignore them. It usually takes people about 10000 repetitions of writing the kanji to remember the stroke order, and then you have the reading aswell which I don't even wanna get started on and that's only for the radical for 1 (いち)
>if you want actual advice (you don't) read the op.
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>>127947907
>>127948514
Yeah.
The ultimate learning plan is duolingo, then reading Remembering the Kanji to completion, all the while memorizing the kanji and writing them every day.
After that you'll breeze through the rest.
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>>127948999
>all the while memorizing the kanji and writing them every day.
I actually do this lmao
I'll try anki soon enough, probably when school starts because then i'll be exhausted, so i'll balance my learning by doing some online
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please include my favourite e-celeb in the guide
no i won't go to /jp/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVEcTd6LEwo

^ anki video

but even he says that mass repetition is sometimes useful
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>>127947907
Reported for racist flag
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronis%C5%82aw_Pi%C5%82sudski
We were weebs before it was cool
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Any good podcasts to listen to? maybe on spotify?
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fuck this ugly ass chinese character
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>>127953245
I'm listening to Trash Taste on Fridays.
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>>127953245
Spotify is absolutely not the platform for Japanese content. Instead check out https://www.onsen.ag or https://hibiki-radio.jp/
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>>127953272
確かに…
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>I'm supposed to watch anime in Japanese
>It's paused in the background at minute 03:00 for a few hours
>I'm watching Magnus Carlsen playing chess instead
every single day... why is chess so addictive
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>>127953600
確認しました
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>>127953724
I like this kanji
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>>127953757
it's my 3rd least favourite kanji after 働 and 遊
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>>127953647
https://lichess.org/usTqM8yu

Give into your weakness, britboy.
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It took me a week to learn Hiragana and I'm not even comfortable with Katakana yet. Do I give up?
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>>127953902
lol it's an average pace and it's normal to be better at hiragana than katakana. But if you already are tired, then you might as well give up, because you need to be motivated constantly for the next few years every day to learn this language
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>>127953902
if you feel like giving up
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>>127953961
>>127953973
I just see people saying you can do it in 2-4 days and it is demotivating
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>>127953902
出来ない
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>>127953830
遊ばずに働きすぎるとジャックは確実につまらない子になる
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>>127953245
Also for concrete recommendations, you should go for https://hibiki-radio.jp/description/skdw/detail of course.
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>>127953647
https://lichess.org/pnIBvZqn
Let's go
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>>127954211
Well done anon
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>>127954021
it took me longer since i worked through a textbook kek
don't stress about it
everyone has a pace
people who say they learn it super quickly either do nothing but practice that week, or they are bullshitting
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>>127954211
>>127954540
lol nice
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蛮婦
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>>127954211
働かざる者食うべからず
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>>127956632
文化違いですよね
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>>127953902
Never gonna make it with that attitude. Are you really going to let a bunch of squiggles beat you? Get your ass back up and show them who is boss of this gym.
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>>127953902
Don't give up, just move on to the grammar & kanji anki decks. You'll get it naturally as a side effect of practicing your decks since it comes up often.
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>>127956632
>ストレスが、女をダメにする
孔子の名言
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>>127953647
(Looks like Rb1 was the move after all, totally forgot about Rxe2 after we trade Queens)
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>>127958646
I didn't see this move either
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>>127926445
ganbatta
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>>127953586
I see, thanks.
I'll listen to those when i cycle to work
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「実のところ」とは誰か見たことがありますか?
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A. あんたがのんびりしている間に何が起きたのか
A. 1から聞かせてやるから そこに直れっていうの!
B. ちっ どうやら最悪の間で 到着してしまったか
A. 最悪も最悪よ!

What does
>最悪も最悪よ!
mean?
Something like "the worst, indeed"?
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Should I just to get more vocabulary and grammar before reading?
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>>127961900
Learn English
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>>127961900
Japanese isn't for you.
I hope you're good at videogames.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTzgjeaNTco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZcQ81udtXQ
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>>127962054
>>127962463
うㇽㇽㇽㇽㇽるさい
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>>127962679
https://reddit.com/
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I think I'm going to move to a Japanese server on XIV. Wonder if I can handle it
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIKha1gg1h0
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>>127964340
きも
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>>127964340
hehe
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Dang, manzai is actually really funny
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>>127962463
seriously how much vocab and grammar before reading how many months
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>>127965796
6 months.
You are to read Yotsuba 1 front to back exactly 6 months from now and if you cannot understand it you are no longer welcome in this dojo.
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>>127965796
Just keep going.
I'm not even that far.
I have learned both kana and some kanji but the adage goes 'one step at a time to climb a mountain'. If you're lacking resolve now, forget about vocab and grammar.

You could take my route of getting textbooks.
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>>127965796
japanese learning time is said to be 2200 for basic proficiency (not fluency) and takes about 3 to 5 years

if you can't picture yourself learning japanese in five years, fuck off
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>>127965885
thank you sensei I'll get started tomorrow
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>>127965796
Begin reading after you've completed N4 Kanji, vocab, and grammar.
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>>127966085
Fuck off with this JLPT bullshit retard. You will never make it, but at least don't bring others down with you.
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any particular reason for DJT being on two boards?
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>>127966016
I did that in five months, imagine thinking it takes YEARS. Let me guess, you're one of those "15 new cards a day" types, huh? Step it up and stop mystifying how long it takes for reading basic stuff.
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>>127966194
The other one is obsessed with some Tyrone dude. This board is obsessed with Matt.
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>>127966205
do you have a life?
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Who else decided to quit their job to persue Japanese full time?
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>>127966305
4 hours a day should be the minimum. That leaves you with 4 hours of free time to immerse yourself after work (watching anime, games, etc)
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>>127966401
Yeah, but not for a person who has a social circle to maintain and an education/employment to chase.
What good is learning Japanese if it's your only skill?
I'll take my time at 18 years of age to master the language.
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>>127966357
Sounds like a good way to irreversibly fuck up your life when you consider you could just aswell emigrate to Japan and follow a language learning course by having a job in the US and being frugal for a good year.
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>>127966357
>persue
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>>127948999
where the fuck is polebro when you need him to correct posts like this
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>>127966532
Japanese is beautiful. I remember reading my grammar book of choice for hours just for fun. I love everything Japanese (besides the obvious bad stuff) and I want to get a job using my Japanese language skills someday. It's the only thing keeping me from finding the nearest building and jumping off of it. If I'm studying I don't have to worry about anything else.
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>>127966775
Sounds like an obsessive problem that will get you killed sooner or later.
Move to Japan if that's what you want, but seek psychological treatment first.
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I couldn't make friends in America, but once I move to Japan I'll have loads of friends!
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>>127966947
I'm not that person and while that sentiment is generally played out and overused, it is quite shocking the difference in attitudes from the US and other asian countries.

but then again most people are just weirdos so it's all for moot
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>>127967014
One guy I met told me he was worked to death in Japan and didn't enjoy the experience very much before coming back. He spoke good Japanese and studied it in university.
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>>127967131
Of course he was, people legitimately think Japan is like a fucking anime with everyone running around eating toast and happy and then get a rude awakening when it's actually a real place with real pros/cons
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>>127967214
I do consider myself a massive weeb, so I wouldn't mind spending a portion of my life there as expat, not sure how I could fit that in with other plans. It seems like a good fit in top five countries one would want to move to in event of national failure or dissatisfaction.
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>>127967214
I know Japan isn't like an anime, that's why I specified how I liked everything except the bad things. I at most would only want to visit, or maybe settle down if I could find something comfy.
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>>127966775
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>>127967520
and?
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>>127967602
same british shitposter adding nothing to the thread, just ignore him and move on
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>>127967698
yea because you're adding anything with your JLPT shitcharts
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You look away for a second and the retard dekinais start handing out advice on how to learn Japanese again.
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>>127967520
What's after death is nothing but uncertainty.
Make the best of this life and become religious if that's your fancy. Don't try to guess at what comes after.
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>>127967853
I'm learning Japanese from only watching peko
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>>127967969
who is this pekora whore?
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>>127967969
Not enough, you need a least 4 vtubers to learn this language.
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>>127967934
Yes it's uncertain, but these are the possibilities. So you have 1/3rd chance for each scenario. And believing in any one of them with all your might is equally dumb.
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>>127968015
an annoying VTuber
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How to know if Anki is working?
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>>127968247
google kekma dot ga
that way you can measure your progress in increments
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>>127968247
You won't know for at least 2 years
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Has anybody done a japanese language exchange irl? I'm thinking of joining one that uses the meetup.com site to organize but i think i'd prefer to join a meetup that advertises itself offline instead, it seems comfier.
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>>127968903
Yes, multiple times. It's good and you should do it.
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>>127964340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91K_Yp2ATLc
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>>127968948
Was it like an international meetup, jp culture, language exchange group, language partner finding organizer?
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>>127969082
I went to weekly language exchange meetings at a cafe here where it was mostly a groups of Japanese exchange students. I also met up with an exchange student for 1 to 1 language exchange sessions last year around here. A few years ago I went to Japan on a language exchange program, which included a homestay.
Just take whatever opportunity you have I guess, none of those experiences were bad, although by now I prefer going to Japan on my own rather than some exchange thing.
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>>127969462
Aren't you fucking tied by some shitty schedule in that you can't just do your own thing even if it's 5km away?
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>talking to random people
Fuck off normies
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>アーチャーの様子が変だって 気付いてないの?
>昨日の今日なのよ!
>まとまるものも まとまらないじゃない

what does the last line mean? I don't understand it at all. Could someone translate more or less, might be literal
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>Aren't you fucking tied by some shitty schedule in that you can't just do your own thing even if it's 5km away?
The language exchange in Japan was me being railroaded for a solid month with basically a set program from morning to evening each and every day with very little autonomy. Which is exactly why I wouldn't want to repeat something like this. In its own way it was a quintessential Japanese experience however.

The language exchange things that happen here in Germany are quite relaxed and not that committed of course. It's just going to a place and talking to people for a couple of hours.
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>>127969462
I'm so jealous you have stuff like that. There probably isn't a single Japanese person in the shithole I live in, and it's really difficult to find good people online.
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>>127969759
>In its own way it was a quintessential Japanese experience however.
I can picture that.
What would a typical look like?
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>>127969462
The weekly cafe meetings sounds exactly like what i was looking for. How did you find out about them? Fliers or something?
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>>127969980
>it's really difficult to find good people online
There's a lot of boring and entitled Japanese basic bitches out there, but I've had a fair amount of success finding language partners online. They will usually give you a shot if you message them mostly in Japanese at first and aren't from India.
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>>127969980
>difficult to find good people online.
Whats wrong with hellotalk, i've met a couple really cool people on there
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>>127969980
Usually, but since March there has been absolutely nothing since Rona cancelled everything. So I haven't met anyone either.

>>127970086
I assume you mean a typical day?
>get up for breakfast at the host familys house
>get dropped off at the language school for morning classes
>lunch with the language school
>excursion to some Japanese culture thing in the afternoon e.g. 弓道、華道 or some museum
>get back and picked up by the host family
>dinner and whatever thing in the evening
Weekends had longer excursions. Once we went to a 中学校 for 文化祭

>>127970218
Theyre loosely organized by one of the big universities in this city. In general all those programs I did were through university to some degree.
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>>127970266
I've tried hellotalk for before, but I didn't really have any luck. Or I was just too autistic to keep a conversation going. But I really sucked back then, so I suppose I'll give it a try again.
>>127970254
Are you also talking about hellotalk?
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>>127970526
It's probably you, m8
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>>127970526
Yeah hellotalk. Make sure you post moments of your own or else you might look creepy.

Lang-8 was good too but there was no real time chat, and I think they froze new sign ups. I tried interpals(?) at one point too, but it was pretty depressing.
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How do I even practice reading Japanese if I can’t understand most kanji? I’ve just been reading the hiragana/katakana and skipping over kanji but that seems retarded.
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>>127972015
Just use context. None of us can read any kanji bro, we just read the surrounding kana and make an educated guess.
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>>127972015
For the very start learn vocabulary and practice with the example sentences. You can start reading easy manga like Yotsuba at around 500 words. But manga usually has too little text, so at around 3000 words you should try to read some simpler novels. From there just keep learning words and reading, after like 10 books it starts getting pretty easy.
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>>127972015
Graded readers.
The link in the OP has some you can download. There were some easier ones floating around somewhere, but I'm not sure where I found them.
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>>127972015
purchase kanji textbook
practice a few while listening to a podcast of choice
keep writing in a notebook
i can probably write most of what i've learned on top of my head
15 lines for every kanji
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>>127972015
Graded readers and also download Genki and do the reading sections. Ripping the audio form Genki is also good listening practice.
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What I hate most are normalfaggots who know NOTHING of Japanese and watched two anime and pretend that they are into the culture or language.
One of my friends fucking came up to me and said he was learning Japanese, and when I asked if he did kana or kanji he said he was just learning conversation and words.

Normalfaggots ideas of a barrier of entry into a subculture/interest are fucking astounding.
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>>127972808
>download
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>>127972869
If you can't rewrite your post in Japanese then you are the normalfaggot mijn vriend
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>>127972946
I just started a month or so ago but atleast i'm not like that Algerian faggot who said he knew 'a few hiragana and random words' or my friend who is 'learning' japanese.
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>>127973032
>I started off a month ago
cringe gatekeeping cringe
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>>127973427
>gatekeeping
https://reddit.com/
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>>127973467
bro you're the one who's been at it one fucking month and acting like you're the be all and end all of learning Japanese. Fuck off. It's cringe.
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>>127973544
lmao you're taking over when swedebro is sleeping?
DJT is one massive dogpile of one poster deriding anothers' progress
atleast let me mock normoids in peace
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>>127973611
sorry bro, until you're proficient in nip, you have no right to mock normies
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>>127973684
>right
>right
>right
you don't understand
there's no unwritten law
normanimals need to be put down whenever they buy merchandise with japanese typography or pretend to be moderately interested in japanese
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>>127973765
shut the fuck up retard and study some more Japanese
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>>127973806
It's 3:12
too late for studying
time for anime, manga and bed
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>>127973828
おやすみなさい
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>>127973889
こちらこそ
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わたしは日本語で声出すができる
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>>127974032
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>>127974339
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嘘つき
お前は日本語が出~来~な~い~
勉強を続けろ、今すぐ
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>>127974474
>>127974032
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>>127974473
I wish I could go back in time and shoot Eve in the head. 人類 は mistake です
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>>127974539
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Remember that vtubers are far more useful than anime.
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>>127974609
I refuse to believe every human is worth the same.
There are better humans and there are worse humans.
Basic grammar and spelling and a bit of perspective with a healthy dose of intelligence are some examples of human traits.
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>>127974611
good podcast
most of it is joey and garnt feigning surprise at connor's autism and them asking joey what it's like to be a 'native'
though this belongs in /jp/
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>>127974514
今日のアンキもう終わりだ
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new thread
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