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DJT is a language learning thread for those studying the Japanese language.
Japanese speakers learning English are welcome, too.

Read the guide linked below before asking how to learn Japanese:
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

Check the Cornucopia of Resources before asking where to download X or Y:
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/librarymain.html

Archive of older threads: https://desuarchive.org/int/search/subject/Daily%20Japanese%20Thread/

Translation requests, learning method / eceleb discussions: >>>/jp/djt

Previous Thread: >>127866033
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why did you let the last thread die edition
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>thread made by the pole dies
lel
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how to learn Japanese?
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>>127881926
You don't
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>>127881926
no idea desu

if only we had a guide...
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Translate from Ukrainian what they want from me
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hi everyone, im the pole from the thread yesterday, just wanted to say thanks again to everyone who helped me with my anki frustration. the anki deck i did today was a very enjoyable experience and i blame it on the help i got from here. thanks!
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Thoughts?
I was surprised that so many place names were ateji to this extent
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>>127882239
>>127882707
I already know plenty of Japanese because I watch a lot of anime: watashi wa anime daisuki desu!
But how to cram the complicated characters? It has like 30 pronunciations, it's pretty fucked and illogical
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>>127883676
>Sadfield
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl-gOHm6-bk
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>>127881478
I think it’s because we talked too much about Japanese vtubers which made you behave rude..
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>>127881926
出来ない
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>>127883676
So basically, all the prefecture names are lies?
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>>127885419
there are two swede's here, and I am not the aneurysm one as the german would've said
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>>127885866
yes you're the avatarfag
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>>127885974
Not really I just don't have enough pictures to post a new one everytime. And that was not meant to insult you in anyway if you took it that way
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>>127886051
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>>127886224
it's actually mind blowing how every single picture you post is one that I've never seen on 4chan before
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>>127886285
Is that because I only posted like 5 images?
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>>127886365
that doesn't change the fact that they were unique
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>>127885866
How could I tell you two apart?
>avatar
I interpreted it as those who use specific images and are intentionally giving off some peculiar atmospheres according to them.
>and it’s way easier when you post in Japanese with some specific ending particles accordingly.
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>>127887196
>How could I tell you two apart?
They act very differentlyぺこ
>and the one liking hololive is, as expected, much better at Japanese
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>>127887196
I tend to post pictures, he doesn't. I am a beginner and he isn't. I never leave, he sometimes does (or atleast has done twice for a small period of time)
>>127887325
>They act very differently
that somehow make's me happy to hear
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>>127887746
>that somehow make's me happy to hear
>but maybe that's a negative thing for you?ぺこ
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>>127887826
I don't mind

>also if we're supposed to be able to tell each other apart each and every time why bother being anonymous? I tend to think of every post as a new person, but sometime's it's just too obvious who it is
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>>127887928
>why bother being anonymous
Why ask me that?~ぺこ
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>>127886176
>Relinquishing the right of being oppressed and insulted by メスガキ上司.
Being a tough guy is 人生の損

>>127887325
>>and the one liking hololive is, as expected, much better at Japanese
And if you think it’s because him liking that that he’s good at it you’re wrong. It’s the other way around.
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>>127888050
Not sure what exactly you mean, but I meant that he's good at Japanese because he watches hololiveぺこ
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i feel like death so im going to sleep, goodnight /djt/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8_8x0A4pLI
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>>127888263
Good night deathぺこ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZLMKkEGFRo
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>>127887928
>why bother being anonymous
I don’t wanna annoy anyone by telling some irrelevant Hololive talk unless he’s furtively liking it and behaving rude to conceal his true feelings.
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>>127888482
>furtively liking it and behaving rude to conceal his true feelings.
He is, but what does that have to do with anonymity?ぺこ
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>tfw just read another chapter of Yotsuba and knew nearly every single word but 2 or 3
I need to move up to some slightly more difficult manga if I want to keep mining words, gonna keep pushing on with yotsuba as its fun and I can finally understand it all but its gonna be mostly grammar practice at this point
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>>127888575
Therefore I need to distinguish him from others, because it’s only him suffering from his 秘めた想い, and it’s only him I want to release from his burden.
>I know it’s an anonymous bulletin board , but on this specific occasion I want to specify someone in order to make my 陰徳.
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>>127888906
Have you tried reading the manga in your post's pic?
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>>127889854
I actually have the first two volumes I picked up while in Japan. It has no furigana however, makes it really difficult at this stage so is near unreadable for now.
Probably gonna do Takagi san and see if thats any more difficult for now, and just read for longer in general to grab as many new words as I can.
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>As far as I know, the most effective way of enlivening the thread is posting some complaints and whining about Anki sessions.
Btw, it seems captions of my Anki have been changed to my native language without my permission. Did the same thing happen to yours?
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CHEEEEEEE """""mORDRED"""" JASJKSAJKASJKJKAS


A DONDE QUIERA QUE VAYAS TE VAMOS A GANAR
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>>127891571
>Argentina finally takes over Japan
Why did it have to end this way bros?
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>>127888906
For some reason I have a harder time reading yotsuba than other manga. I'm really bad at dissecting Yotsuba's speach. Actually had more fun with this.
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>>127892134
SIEMPRE VAMOS A GANAR JAKSJKASJK
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can I get some hololive recommendations bros? there's too many to choose from
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>>127892595
I started from pekora and I thought it boring at first, but after it made me chuckle several times I came to check other videos of her and the others.
I don’t really recommend it all learners except for the Swedish poster. I just thought it might be beneficial because of some sort of richness of their vocabulary and casualness of their speeches.
Pick one according to your intuition or just pekora, and if it’s boring for you just discard it.
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Please rate >>127893699
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>袋小路
cute word thats all
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>>127892595
You have to find one that resonates with you. They're all very different personalities after all. I enjoy the smugness of the rabbit and the boomerness of the 船長(17歳)
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>>127894575
pekora sucks
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>>127894551
You'll hopefully also like this one:
袋小路文ぺこ
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>>127894661
>ぺこ
shut the fuck up
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>>127894716
ごめんなぺこ
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>>127894889
rude desu
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>>127894889
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>not using nostubぺこ
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>>127895269
my stubs look like that (on the right)
so they're non-invasive
I only click them when thread is slow anyway
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>>127895423
>I only click them when thread is slow anyway
But what's the point in filtering thenぺこ
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>>127895462
to not see your annoying posts by default but by choice. and if one is shit, then I won't click the other ones
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>>127895528
>seeing annoying posts by choiceぺこ
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>british poster who's been learning for 2 months and exists solely to shitpost and not speak japanese is talking about filtering people
pot meet kettle
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>>127895632
shut up noob, I'm learning for over a year and I'm not British faggot
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>noob
Wow, I haven't seen that being used as an "insult" in so long. Feels really 懐かしいぺこ
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Whats a good site/book/resource to learn and memorize vocabulary?
I've got a pretty good understanding of grammar but I dont have a good way to learn more vocab and keep track of it
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>>127897017
try reading the OP
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>>127897017
Just read about a topic of your choice and look up every word that you see
You'll get the words done within days
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>>127897017
The Core anki decks. Also I got this book before I realized the JLPT was cancelled:

www.amazon.com/gp/product/4872179854/

I wish I had read the earlier volumes of this series, it probably would've been better than Core since the vocab is grouped by theme.
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>>127897257
I have the N5 and N4 ones. Good shit. Make sure to get all 5 if you want all the vocab, because the vocab number is a misnomer.
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>wake up
>do anki
>play video game in english all day
>go to sleep
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>>127898322
do the same but play the game in japanese
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>wake up
>read memes and stuff in english
>go to work
>speak russian
>come back home
>game with european mates in english
>read and write 2 sentences in japanese
>go to sleep
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>wake up
>don't leave house because 社会不安
>watch アニメ in Japanese
>lurk Japanese chans and laugh
>watch ホロライブ
>go to make myself some お茶 and think in Japanese while making it
>after drinking it, make dinner and show gratitude by saying いただきます out loud
>go to my backyard to train 柔術 with my younger sister and only speak Japanese while she rolls her eyes which motivates me to beat the shit out of her
>fuck my sister to embrace Japanese culture
>eat 寿司 while watching 日本語の森
>shower
>receive NEETbux
>go to sleep while listening to 耳かきボイスASMR
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>wake up
>do Anki and new words
>play プリコネR
>read Hololive Twitter
>watch プリコネR youtube content
>shitpost on DJT
>go grocery shopping
>make a sandwich for lunch / breakfast
>watch Hololive content
>read ゆるキャン△
>play キャサリンフルボディ
>dinner
>more Hololive

Still more hours to go.
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>Woke up, fell out of bed
>Dragged a comb across my head
>Found my way downstairs and drank a cup
>And looking up I noticed I was late
>Found my coat and grabbed my hat
>Made the bus in seconds flat
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epic meme you guys
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Is there any difference between 立ち聞きする and 立ち聞く? Both have an entry on jisho.org, but the former yields 13 times as much results on google.
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>>127900194
>Woke up, fell out of bed
>Hit my wife across her head
>Found my way downstairs and drank a beer
>And looking up I noticed I was late
>Found my belt and grabbed my shirt
>Went upstairs in seconds flat
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its warm
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day 41 of pussying out from reading native material and just doing anki and isolated sentences
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>>127902139
:(
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why is it that the avatarfags never seem to get banned?
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>>127903057
That smug tripfagging Austrian tranny is annoying but you can always just filter him.
Beside him I can't think of any other active avatarfags
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>>127903719
the issue is that now I have like 50% of the thread filtered and a good amount of the remaining posts are replying to them
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DJT is the best Japanese language learning hololive shitposting thread on 4chan for むっつりスケベ共 that are interested in everything Japanese
Japanese speakers learning English are welcome as well

How to learn Japanese:
1.Don't waste time/money on garbage like:
-All textbooks like Genki, RTK etc.
-All mnemonics like KLCC, Kanji Damage etc.
-All online courses like Wanikani, Duolingo etc.
-All language schools, classrooms etc.
-Shitty youtube channels like Cure dolly, matt etc. (日本語の森 is good)
-Awful anki decks(only 2k/6k from the OP and a simple yomichan mining deck are good)
-Spending 20 hours on Anki daily (you shouldn't spend more than 1-2 hours as a beginner and 30 minutes max after a few months, spamming easy is fine)
-JLPT, Kanji Kentei tests etc.
-Pitch accent(doesn't actually exist, you can say words however the fuck you want)
-Learning how to write on paper (if you really want to waste time on this do it later once you know the basics)
Avoiding these beginner traps will cut down your learning time considerably to less than 5 years if you learn every day and never give up
2.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnTvarhXH90
3.Spend a few days getting familiar with hiragana and katakana
4.A few months of Anki 6k vocabulary and your favorite grammar guide while reading something easy on the side
5.A few years of reading, watching hololive, googling stuff you don't know and you're done!
6.Realize there's always more to learn and the ride never ends
絶対英語を学べる方法:
一つ 楽勝だから方法なんていらないだろう

Various resources:
https://www.google.co.jp/
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/
https://djtguide.neocities.org/
Library:
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/librarymain.html

Archive of older threads: https://desuarchive.org/int/search/subject/Daily%20Japanese%20Thread/

Rudeness/reddit screencaps/ecelebs/shills/autism: >>>/jp/djt

Previous Thread: >>127866033
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvSDklO6XcQ
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>>127904172
based
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>>127904191
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrNu-SuFF_o
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>>127904133
Guess this thread is not for you then.
>implying he will even read this

I also haven't read a single post that could explain what their issue was beyond inarticulate seething. You can already tell people apart by their flags 95% of the time, because unlike all the language generals this thread has a mixed nationality audience, which is quite small. Some people have been here literally for years so there is no way on earth you wouldnt be able to tell them apart if you werent just a seething newfag.
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>>127904410
Yeah this most regulars could probably name enough posters (by flag/style) that together make up a majority of posts in the thread. And it’s a pretty small community to begin with because of the niche appeal.
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the only thing good about DJT is the sticky and the conversation with Japanese posters
other than that it's as annoying as /jp/
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>>127904172
>tfw israeli flag made it to the meme and mine didn’t
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>>127904809
You probably don't remember how active that one Israeli was up until a few months ago.
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>>127904876
Fair, never seen Irish or SK flags here much either, but there’s still a fair amount of regular britposters regardless, though my impression is that none of the britposters (inc me) have any personality and just lurk to ask questions.
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>乾季
>換気
>寒気
>喚起
>歓喜
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>>127905181
>none of the britposters (inc me) have any personality
Yes.
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>>127905239
Well said Brit #2
>t. Brit #5
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>>127893494
>>127894575
I see. I guess it doesn't matter that much since I won't be able to understand anything at this point, might as well choose videos based on the games played.
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>>127904410
>Guess this thread is not for you then
Then what thread is for me if I legitimately want to learn Japanese? This thread filled with EU flags larping at each other or /jp/ filled with eceleb autism?
>I also haven't read a single post that could explain what their issue was beyond inarticulate seething
The point of 4chan is its anonymity, the fact that you can identify people completely kills the purpose. Go to r*ddit or discord if you crave the attention so much
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>>127905273
"I concur"
~Brit #3
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>>127905334
If you want to learn Japanese, learn Japanese. This thread is for shitposting
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>>127905290
Watch this playthrough and I guarantee by the end of it you will have picked up some basic Japanese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKmqh8G4McU
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>>127904742
>>127904808
>>127904809
>>127905181
>>127905239
>>127905273
>>127905336
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>>127905334
>I legitimately want to learn Japanese
Then you don't need an English speaking thread you fucktard. Just go to Japanese chans where you can post or at least lurk. Otherwise you won't make it.
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>>127905334
>Then what thread is for me if I legitimately want to learn Japanese?
I don't see the issue. Almost every single question that gets posted gets answered here. Otherwise let people have their banter. Some of the people that can actually answer questions would lost interest pretty fast if it was just a Q&A thread.
Apart from that every regular here is actually learning the language actively as well and they're making progress over time.
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>>127905502
YEAAAAAAAH LEARNING JAPANESE
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>>127905398
will do, thanks
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>>127905334
>Then what thread is for me if I legitimately want to learn Japanese?
r/learnjapanese
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>>127905669
P L O N K E R
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>>127904808
you have been learning japanese for 2 months

go to the strictly japanese thread on /int/ if you are so bothered, you just shitpost here anyways. fuck you retards are so annoying
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今日はしなかった
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>>127905827
I've been learning for over a year. And you've been learning for less than 2 months and you never used any Japanese word. You probably don't even have a Japanese keyboard, so I don't know why do you feel the need to tell me other guy's learning period all the time
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>>127906284
oh i just assume you guys are all the same since you never speak japanese and just shitpost non-stop.

there's 2 other threads on 4chan you can partake in, i would suggest going there instead of here. i also have no idea why you're implying i don't know japanese but OK
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>>127906389
Just filter us like all the other flags anon we aren’t worth your time with our unremarkable posts and mundane questions
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>>127906389
I post in Japanese thread in Japanese, but at this time it's dead. You never post anything in Japanese either and use the 2 months argument all the time to make yourself feel better, so you probably don't know Japanese
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>>127902139
https://youtu.be/MK5mhslwRuU?t=317
読め!
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>>127906598
kek
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>>127906598
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where do japanese people pirate shit from? I need to COONSUME
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I've got down Hiragana, slightly know Katakana, and I'm making my way through a grammar book. I got the Core 2K deck for Anki but I'm not sure the best way to go about it. There are example sentences that are overwhelming because I know nothing in them besides the example word. I'm guessing I just press "easy" when I can recall the word and how it's read/written every time? Same goes with kanji if I can read/picture it in my head?
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>>127907614
you should probably watch a youtube video explaining anki. they are like 10 mins long or so and will set you up to know what you're doing is actually doing.

the example sentences at first won't make sense but as you start learning more and more words you'll be able to identify what the sentences are talking about. if you put the sentences on the front of cards it will help you identify words when you get stuck. depends on what your steps are like for new cards, but how i go about new cards is
>see it
>repeat it in my head, write it down in an excel sheet just for memory sake, maybe do a mnemonic if i need it
>press again (3m)
>then hit good every time it shows up
by the last time you see it in your new card queue you should have a pretty good idea of what the card means. even if i fuck up i will just put it into the review q. before i go to sleep every night i just quickly go over the list of words i learned that day and what mental notes i made to remember them. usually by the next day i can remember 13/15 or so.

to answer your question, only hit easy on new cards if you've already mastered it before starting the deck. if you have any specific questions after watching a video let me know. anki is weird as fuck the first day you pick it up but after that it just kinda clicks and you're left with tinkering settings to how you learn the best
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>>127905827
たった二ヶ月しか勉強してないだろ

そんなに気になってるなら日本語専用スレに行けよ、どうせここでクソレスしか書き込まないだろう。お前みたいなバカでほんとに腹に立つな

>>127906284
もう一年間勉強してきたよ。それにきみは二ヶ月さえ習ってないし、多分日本語で一語も使ったことないだろうな。多分日本語のキーボードも持ってないのに、なんで別の人の勉強期間をいちいち繰り返すのが必要なのかさっぱりわからないな

>>127906389
へー、どっちも日本語喋らないしクソレスばっかなので同一人物と思ってしまったなぁw

4ちゃんに日本語スルは他にも2本あるぞ、あっち行けばいいじゃん?というか、なんで俺日本語喋れないと示唆してるのかわからないけど、ま、いいか

>>127906502
他の旗みたいにフィルターすれば済むんじゃないですか?僕たちのくだらないレスや質問はあなたの時間に値しないでしょう

>>127906579
俺は日本語スレで日本語で投稿するけど、今は疎らだよ。きみも日本語で何も投稿しないのに、自分を満足させるためにいつも2ヶ月って話を蒸し返してるから、恐らく日本語喋れないだろ
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>>127908342
>腹が立つ
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>>127908342
もう一度そうして
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>>127908342
You are better at Japanese than me. I'm at the point where I understand 95% of your post without looking it up, but I could produce less than that. Your grammar is also better than mine. How long are you studying?
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>>127909228
2 months, I’ve heard
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>>127909228
I'm not that American that I'm quoting, and it's been probably 8 years now since I first started lol
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>>127909288
noice
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>>127907969
Okay, I watched a video and adjusted the settings a little bit. I'll probably do what you're doing and type out the words I learn so I can review, and because typing stuff out helps me learn better I think. My biggest issue seems to be that I'm remembering what the kanji/word is but I'm remembering the English word for it. Like I'll see the Kanji for "four" but I'll remember it as "yeah, that's four" instead of what the Japanese word is. Just something I need to work on I guess.
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>>127909990
I first guess the pronunciation and then think of a meaning, not vice versa.
Even if it's a word I know really well and the meaning pops instantly in my head, I don't pay attention to it before saying it's pronunciation out loud, then I think of the meaning. If it's a word I know very well I don't have to think of the meaning in English and just think of the object it represents, but for new words I usually think of the English meaning first. If I even pronounce something like きゅこう instead of きょこう, but got everything else right, I click Again regardless, because I want my 'Good' cards to be 100% perfect.
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>>127909990
I didn’t realise at the time but the sentences are just as useful as the card. Read them before you read the translation and see if you can get the meaning, and most of all, listen to them and (if you’re like me) repeat them. This will really help your memory.

I don’t produce enough to say it with confidence, but I am very certain that doing this trains your pitch accent unconsciously, to the extent that I can read a new card’s sentence and get the pitch right with like 70+% accuracy.

But otherwise they are still free listening practice and you can see how the word functions. Disclaimer, the lady VA is soulless and bad while the guy is emotive and natural.
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>>127909990
Yeah makes sense. Feel free to utilize mnemonics or any other way to help supplement your lapses in memory. Assuming you're doing 15 or less cards per day, Anki should not take you more an hour tops to learn the cards. You have to accept that you're going to forget things eventually but that's what the SRS is for. Spending all your free time going over new cards in Anki is the quintessential beginner mistake most people use instead of using that time to either learn a grammar point or do anything else like mow the lawn.

Just adjust your anki settings with your progress although feel free to suspend the days of the month cards at the start and re-visit them at a later time, that throws off a lot of beginners as well.
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>>127910182
>>127910246
>>127910339
Thanks for the good advice everyone. It's a bit daunting but now I feel more assured and ready to tackle it
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any advice on how to differentiate words with similar translations? I've seen a lot of words in my Anki deck that mean need/requirements and they all blend in.
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>>127910546
like the crazy austrian says - spend less time figuring out how you're gonna study and just do it. now that you know anki settings and hopefully got some of the recommended settings put in you should be set for awhile.

glgl
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>>127910694
put them side by side, google their invidual kanji and just cram it for 10 minutes
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Do you also do your Anki on numerical keyboard?
(1,2,3,Enter)
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>>127911303
what kind of retarded question is that, does it matter if someone uses numbers, mouse, or even a guitar hero guitar, are you that starved for efficiency that you need to know the optimal way to press [Good]?
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こんにちは
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>>127911681
おはよう
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>>127911303
god i fucking hate the brits
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>>127911559
>>127911716
dude chill already
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>>127911710
あ、はい
おはようございます
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japanese cannot understand anything i say unless i use an anime villain voice
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>>127911710
>>127911758
夜だよ



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