How did a Germanic language come to dominate the world? A tiny tribe from Northern Europe did this how?!
>>9873496Through trade and muh magna carta
>>9873509/threadNot to dog on OP, but this is like high school level history. The society that spreads to every corner of the world and plants it's national-identity seeds there will make it the dominate culture. You don't need some nerds with varying levels of competence to tell you this
>>9873496>british>germanicbritish is pidging language a trade speak/mix of few languagesbut answering your question>trade>colonization>Hollywood and video games
>>9873563>latin/celt nigger cope
>>9873632Not him, but English is a mixture of Anglo-Saxon, Latin, and French; plus a bit of Celtic and other languages.
>>9873647Look, there is some french/latin/greek in our germanic language. But dont you ever tell me there is celtic nigger shit in it. Thank you
>>9873671>germanic language in reality a Hebrew language, a language of ((merchants))
>>987367180% of the vocabulary is borrowed from other languages
>>9873647Yeah dude, everyone's aware of words like cafe and coup d'etat. It's still classed as a Germanic language
>>9873496Because America? I don't think your chart would look that way, if the USA didn't happen.
>>9873734BasedAnglos really believe that colonizing some abos and niggers is somehow relevent
>>9873725>everyone's aware of words like cafe and coup d'etatThis is the kind of words that come to the mind of brainlets when they're told of French originated words in English language.But the reality goes way beyond that and even extremely common words like "people", "city", "use", "person", "place", "able"...etc come from French.Almost every sentence in English contains at least once French word, and everyday you use hundreds of them without noticing
>>9873761lol and french is latin itself meaning angloism is a latin language. op btfo
>actually wanting to take credit for creating the Anglo "language" abomination>wanting to taint the Romance language family by shoving English into itAre Gauls retarded or what?
>>9873773And yet, it's still a Germanic language. Seethe more, francophone phaggot.
>>9873823>Germanic language>even existing
>>9873823CopeYou and your mutt language will always be swathy romano-celtoids
>>9873496anglo-jew tricks. before ww1 most people knew atleast a little french, german and maybe english
>>9873496American influence after WW2. English wasn't important before, science was written in German and diplomacy was done in French. The division of the world into eastern and western blocs made Americans relevant and made English the international language in the western bloc.
>>9873496It's a creole language. As such a Romanic speaker can draw some similarities in the nouns, while a Germanic speaker can draw similarities in the most basic verbs. Also as a creole language, the grammar is dumbed down to a level where the cases served, by only adding a genetive S.
>>9873725Budget comes from the french word "bougeotte".Mutton, beef and pork all come from french.To allow, bureau, bachelor, elite, delegate, energy, gallery, corridor, etc all come from french.The really french sounding words like faux-pas or cliché are late additions from when french was fashionable.Many older words have a french origin as well, and they followed anglo-saxon rules of writing and pronunciation with time.Let's do a simple exercise and identify all french words, excluding the given examples, used in my English sentences so far :>French, obviously>Real(ly)>Sound(ing)>Addition>Fashion(able)>Origin>Anglo-Saxon (latin > french)>Rule(s)>Pronounc(iation)>Simple>Exercise>Identify>Exclud(ing)>Example(s)>Use(d)>Sentence(s)>Obvious(ly)
>>9873496English is literally 50% latin lol
>>9873773Okay, I'll do the same exercise and identify all french words in this post.>Originated, from latin "origo", french "origine">Language, from latin "lingua", french "langue - langage">Reality, from latin "realis", medieval latin "realitas", french "réalité">Extremely, from latin "exterus / extremus", french "extrême / extrêmement">Common, from latin "communis", french "comun">Sentence, from latin "sentire / sententia" - opinion, french "sentence" - way of thinking/opinion>Contains, from latin "contenere", french "contenir">Noticing, from latin "notus", french "noter"
>>9873761>Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin>including modern scientific and technicalSo this is basically admitting that the inclusion of Latin is grossly overinflated with English being too lazy to derive certain science-technical terms, thus resulting in unadulterated burrowing from Latin. In practical English, most of those Latin terms would be absent.I will not deny the French influence. But every time I see these meme graphs, Latin always takes up a large chunk only because English just rips Latin word-for-word to be used, instead of coming up with a more localized term.
>>9874435French is latin.I'm tired so I won't do the same thing with your post, but kindly read >>9874429 and >>9874394.
>>9873496Yes, what indeed...
>>9874459>French is latinOkay, and? When words in English are being analyzed, they are looking at French-derived words versus words that are taken directly from Latin. Your statement means nothing.
>>9874394>comes>from>the>word>and>to>when>was>have>well>theyrules >of>writing>with>let>us>do>a>so>farThe substrate of the English language is Germanic.
>>9874480idk how rules landed in the list, it should not be there
>>9874089lol no. It was entirely to do with Britain. India and large parts of Africa were using English under the empire. And immigrant destinations to UK, Australia and Canada were and still are really popular. English becoming the world language had little to do with the US. English wouldn't be as dominant without the US but the US certainly didn't impact the world more than Britain did in regards to spreading English.
>>9873734you think a billion people speak english in india, singapore, africa, australia, because of...america?ok buddy
>>9874089>English wasn't important beforeMark Twain called English the "language of everywhere" in the 19th century. Italy got a shitty peace deal after WW1 because their Prime Minister couldn't speak English. You are repeating falsehoods. Not to mention the only reason the US is there and speaking English is due to the UK to begin with.
>>9874498As an Italian, i've just learnt to ignore everything Americans say about languages (they're mostly monolingual) and about events outside America. They are simply incredibly ignorant about these things.
>>9874089American soldiers in Holland WW2 commented how the locals had excellent English. How is this possible if English only spread due to American influence post WW2? That doesn't make sense.
>>9874511Those posts are not usually made by Americans. It's usually French posters. French people are not happy to hear that English spread due to the English because it undermines their historical failure to make French go mainstream. They actually believe British people were speaking French to the Qing dynasty in the 19th century or some shit,lol.
>>9874089>diplomacy was done in Frenchokwhy didn't the Qing use french? they were by far the most populous empire of the time...
>>9874480The French-languageposters won't touch this post because either they know you are right or they are unable to understand that although you can remove many of the French words and either find or invent a Germanic substitute (with great difficulty, I will acknowledge, given how embedded many of its words are in modern English), you cannot remove the core Germanic vocabulary and grammatical conventions/structure that underlie English. And it is Germanic precisely because of that foundation.
>>9873563>>9873647>>9873724>>9873761>>9873775>>9873773>>9873795>>9874391>>9874391>>9874429>>9874394sw*rthoid cope and reddit pseuds
>>9874516One thing I have noticed about the French is that they tend to be incredibly insecure about the British. They have a deep insecurity that Britain basically beats them in most things. Language spread, empire, military, movie production etc. Food and fashion is what France beats the UK in. Apart from that, not much. I worked in France and they often pretnded not to speak English to the British people, but spoke English if a Russian was there or something. French people are weird man.
>>9873496Better at the application of organized violence.
>>9873496american media and hegemony
>>9874533this board also has a higher % of french posters, hence why you see non stop threads against Britain. For a nation they consider irrelevant, they sure as hell can't stop talking about Britain.
>>9874544Yes a billion people across africa and india speak English because of the TV show Friends.retard
>>9874480>The substrate of the English language is Germanic.No one cares bro, the fact half of the verbs/adjectives/nouns (the most important words, the ones that give its sense to a sentence unlike removable structure words) are French prevents English from being a truly Germanic language.If you remove Romance words English becomes totally unrocognizable, which is something that isn't the case for German, Dutch, Swedish...etcEnglish isn't a Romance language bit it ain't truly Germanic eitherIt's a mongrel mutt language
>>9874551well yeah but its the lingua franca of the world thanks to america, not UKUK now follows america in everything, their people see american media for culture and are materialistic like americans youth
>>9873496>implying that English is not a French creolei see what you did here, le fritz
>>9874533>>9874548As someone who visits flagboards a lot, Brits are the ones who are extremely insecure about France for whatever reason.French posters don't seem to really give a shit about Britain.Buttdevasted bongs on /his/ often accuse posters who shit on Britain to be French, but from what I've noticed on /int/ and /pol/, everyone despise Britain and the French aren't even the ones who do it the most.
>>9874579Eh no. I lived in Britain and nobody there talks about France. In fact, Britain talks more about Germany than France. France actively pushes back against Britain/America in many things. Look at how the Academie Francaise reacts when people use English words, they get triggered so bad. Nobody cares in Britain about French words being commonly used.
>>9874394>"Time" comes from the germanic word "tima".>Sheep, cow and pig all come from Germanic.>To see, slaughter, king, master, house, strength, wonder, hall and others all come from Germanic.>The most German seeming words like Kindergarden or Iceberg are late newcomers from when German was useful.>Many older words have a Germanic root as well, and they followed anglo-saxon order of writing and spelling with time.Let's look for the French among my words:>none
>>9874579>shitposts on /pol/ are an accurate metric of public opinionAlso, I note that you went to the effort of screencapping those threads
>>9874623Still more accurate than baseless assumptions on a flagless board
>>9874562>the fact half of the verbs/adjectives/nouns are French prevents English from being a truly Germanic language.That's where you are wrong. If you write form a text of the English language and use only Germanic words, then it is Germanic.
>>9873647>plus a bit of CelticThere are actually almost no Celtic in English; there are probably more words of Indian origin than Celtic.Linguists have hypothesized that English shows evidence of a Celtic substrate in its grammar, but it seems like the early Anglo-Saxon settlers made a conscious effort to keep their language as 'pure' a possible.
>>9874601>Look at how the Academie Francaise reacts when people use English wordsIt has nothing to do with Britain though"Angliscisms" are regarded as American cultural domination, just like McDonald's and Hollywood.No one cares about Britain in France (or even any other continental european country), it's on America that yuros are constantly shitting.
>>9874626Actually, given that VPNs are a thing it really isn't
>>9874644>using VPNs to browse /pol/Lmao, who does that besides chink?
The Master Race
For historical reasons that cannot be duplicated, Europeans uniquely organized the entire society as a militia (voluntary) army, protecting large herds and territories, conducting entrepreneurial (voluntary) maneuver warfare, using horse, bronze, and wheel. The demands of this social organization caused Europeans to develop institutions differently from other civilizations. As such Europeans developed the institutions of self-determination (individual sovereignty), the militia (army), and rule of law by tort law (property) before the institutions of either religion or state.The combination of technical epistemology(metallurgy, horse domestication, chariot) and military epistemology (unforgiving), military ‘reporting’ (just the facts, regardless of cost to the status hierarchy), and testimony before peers using this form of military reporting (empirical testimony), created the european cognitive framework, language, norms, traditions, and institutions, dependent upon testimony, oath, and reciprocity: realism (material existence), naturalism (causes), and operationalism (action).Their military success created a tradition of heroism (for the common good), converted them from agrarian mythology to, the primacy of man, the self-determination of man, and the ability of man to compete with if not defeat the gods (archetypes).Their law of individual self-determination, individual sovereignty, left the only means of action possible as reciprocity, including reciprocity in speech, left only markets (voluntary associations) for association, cooperation, reproduction, production, commons (government), polities, alliances, and war. Or conversely, their universal militia, of relatively equal professional warriors financed by families and clans, left no alternative other than rule of law of tort (property) as the means of self-organization (political order). As such General, King and Judge are functional synonyms.
>>9874512>American soldiers in Holland WW2 commented how the locals had excellent EnglishSource?Meanwhile, here's a source about American troops having to use French to communicate to locals in Italy due to no one speaking Englishhttp://www.pegc.us/archive/Articles/eco_ur-fascism.pdf
>>9874648>this is what he actually believes
>>9874658They then conquered and ruled agrarian peoples (from the Anatolian expansion) and domesticated (whether they killed, ruled, enfranchised, enserfed, or enslaved) man for profit the way that they had domesticated themselves, cattle, and horses.With this metaphysics of naturalism, operationalism, the primacy of man, of discovery rather than regularity or cyclicality, of continuous adversarialism (competition) in all walks of life, demonstrating one’s excellence (heroism), Europeans converted the entire civilization into the continuous calculation by trial and error of evolution of man at the fastest pace possible.So Europeans have been fastest (if fragile) even if not first. This is the secret to european genetic, cognitive, cultural, institutional, and military superiority: the application of maneuver to all walks of life, creating rapid innovation and adaptation as the group’s evolutionary strategy. It’s not a secret why Europeans use the OODA loop in war – it’s what we have always used in every aspect of life.While other civilizations sought to avoid adapting to physical, natural, and evolutionary laws. Europeans discovered, adapted to, and applied the laws of the universe: the physical, natural, and evolutionary laws. Over 98% of discoveries were made by Europeans for these reasons. And in just a few hundred years prior to the bronze age collapse; in just a few centuries before the Semitic Dark Ages of Ignorance (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) sought to reverse those advances. But once Aristotle and literacy were restored to Europe, Europeans created the revolutions we call empirical, literacy, agrarian, commercial, financial, scientific, technological and biological, in just a few centuries in the modern world.
>>9874668But just as the Jews invented Christianity in the ancient world, the Jews invented Marxism, socialism, postmodernism, and feminism and sought to reverse those modern advances by the false promise of freedom from physical scarcity (marxism, communism, socialism), reciprocity (positive law, social democracy), evolution (feminism, market eugenics, regression to the mean). Just as they had used the false promise of life after death in the ancient world for the same reasons: to undermine and reverse european (and Persia, and Chinese, and Indian) innovations.Europe was able to recover from the dark ages because while ‘intellectual’ (clerical) thought had abandoned european tradition and adopted Semitic supernaturalism, the military aristocracy, the law, and to some degree the majority of people outside the urban centers, retained european (west indo european) traditions. So when Aristotle was restored, our intellectual and legal and technological traditions were re-harmonized. And we are still in the process of re-harmonizing religion (if that will ever be possible I am uncertain.).However, the postwar jewish program to undermine western civlization, by repeating bolshevism here, by repeating christianity in the ancient world, and be repeating judiasm’s hostility to empires in the egyptian and mesopotamian eras, has been successful in this age for the same reasons it was successful in those previous two ages: because there are large numbers of peole readily willing to fall for the false promise of freedom from physical, natural, and evolutionary laws, and the high costs of doing so, by claiming thaat ruling empires oppress them rather than defend mankind against those who destroy civlization from wihin by hyperreproduction, hyperconsumption, and the consumption of all surpluses so that proceeds cannot be directed to the production of capitalizing commons hat produce returns for all over generations.
>>9873496The British Empire, that's how.
>>9874658>>9874668>>9874671In Germanic please
>>9873734>>9873740>>9874498>>9874511The answer is the British Empire, see here: >>9874674America is just one of the former colonies of the British Empire.
>>9874636With britain comes english, thats the resentment. In italy, we don't behave the same as how the French do. And I don't think Germany/Austria do either.
As a French, living with Germans. I can assure that we are much more related to the British than to the Germans. And it is the same for the language.
>>9874579you cared enough to have that image saved. idiot.
>>9874661People in Italy and France have terrible english even today, your post doesn't prove much.
>>9874709You're right but its different between Italy and France. In Italy, English isn't used as much because our education is shitty and also because people here actually have to learn Italian too (dialects are like everywhere in Italy, Sicilian is its own language). But in France, there are really no dialects and only French. So they should learn English easily, like Germany does. Why doesn't France do this? Because it means they have finally admitted to being cucked by Britain.
>>9874601>>9874684As a French-speaking Belgian who have lived in France for 4 years (thank god I've left this islamic shithole now), I don't see where you're taking this meme about them hating British people from.I've literally never seen anyone there care about Britain in the slightiest way.They often shit on Belgium (through unfunny jokes) or criticize America or Israel for bombing their precious muslims, but I've never heard anyone say something bad about Britain.
>>9874722Maybe is easier for Germanics to learn English because English is a Germanic language...
>>98746761 sentence without any Germanic words pls. Genuinely curious.
>>9874759Yeah but like half of English vocabulary comes from French, so it should be easy for them to learn it.I mean look at pic related, French and English are basically the same language...
>>9874765did the french really choose a lanklet for that photo to make them look "taller", pathetic
>>9874759>>9874774I'm English and I learnt French and German at schoolI chose to carry on German for longer because I found it a lot easierExample:>I have money>Ich habe Geld>J'ai de l'argent (I had to use Google Translate to get this)I assume English is called a Germanic language because a lot of the most basic vocabulary is Germanic. "I" = "ich", "bread" = "brot", stuff like that.Obviously English does have a lot of French vocabulary thanks to the Norman invasion in 1066. But the basic building blocks of the language are Germanic.
>>9874767Easy>"le epic meme">"Charizard used Dragon Rage"
>>9874774Also, carrying on from this: >>9874790Notice the German word is "Apotheke" which is the same etymology as "apothecary", a word which was definitely used in English for a long time to mean a pharmacy.
>>9874767Italian people use Euro currency
>>9874739I'm basing it on the French attitude to speaking English. The French don't go around shouting about English but they definitely hate the fact that English overtook French. You can see this by Acadamie Francaise and their stupid rules.
>>9874793>a word which was definitely used in English for a long timeI mean, no one here deny that English once was a Germanic language
>>9873496>English>GermanicUnless Anglish sees a sudden rise in use, it's not really Germanic. Most of it is French, Latin or Greek. It does retain some West Germanic words and retains the post-Danelaw North Germanic grammar, but that's about as far as it goes. It's a cosmopolitan language.
>>9874792>>9874807I hope both of you know that you are funcionally retarded....
>>9873761How will germ niggers ever cope?
>>9874861Let's analyze your postgermaniclatingermanic germanicgermanic germanicgermanic germaniclatinlatingermanic germanicgermaniclatinlatingermanic germanicgermanicgermaniclatinlatingermaniclatingermanic germaniclatingermanic germaniclatingermanic germanicgermaniclatin (post-) germaniclatingreekgermanic germanicgermanic germanicgermanic germanicgermanic germanicgermanicgermanicgreeklatin>most of it is french
>>9874881>these two specific sentences are mostly Germanic therefore the entire language is mostly Germanic!That's not how it works. I get it, you're a proud German-American (3/52nds), and want to assert your superior heritage over others but maybe pick up a book once in a while.
>>9874888Germanics already proved their superior heritage in the 5th century
>>9874767Nazi Germany immediatly surrendered
>>9874904Now this on the other hand...
>>9874807"Italian" in German is "Italienisch". Comes from the Ancient Greek word "Italia" apparently.So it's just as much a Germanic word as it is a French word.Also your sentence isn't proper grammar I don't think. You should have a "the" in there ("Italian people use the Euro currency"), and I think "the" is Germanic (modern German equivalent "der" - obviously that's just the masculine form but whatever).
>>9874807This sentence uses no germanic words indeed. Well played.
>>9874767"Vile people commit vile acts."
>>9874814>>9874861> English once was a Germanic language> it's not really GermanicIt still is according to Wikipedia
>>9874921>"Italian" in German is "Italienisch". Comes from the Ancient Greek word "Italia" apparently.>So it's just as much a Germanic word as it is a French word.If it's Greek it's neither French nor GermanicThe poster asked for a sentence without Germanic words and there are none>Also your sentence isn't proper grammar I don't think. You should have a "the" in there ("Italian people use the Euro currency")No, "the" is unecessary, like it is in most caseThese Germanic structure words can often be removed in English, hence why their importance is overrated.
>>9874814>>9874793Apothicary comes from greek "apotheke", latin "apotheca", late latin "apothecarius" and finally french "apothicaire".It was widely used by french up to 70-80 years ago as well.It is not a germanic word, it's french.
>>9874926>People from Britain assert a thing so it's trueBruh. There's a prominent debate about where it should even go in the Germanic family, let alone if it even still belongs in there.
>>9873496English is a Romance language
>>9874934Lmao absolutely rekt.Keep up the good work Anon.
>>9874936First line of the Wikipedia article:>English is a West Germanic language...If there was a controversy then they'd mention it.
>>9874958>Some scholars have argued that English can be considered a mixed language or a creole—a theory called the Middle English creole hypothesis. Although the great influence of these languages on the vocabulary and grammar of Modern English is widely acknowledged, most specialists in language contact do not consider English to be a true mixed language.Literally the third paragraph of the article, you illiterate monke
>>9874932>No, "the" is unecessaryI don't think that's true. Imagine the sentence: "he paid with five pound note". That's wrong. It needs either the indefinite or definite article. So if it was changed to "he paid with *a* five pound note" then it's fine.Same for "Italian people use Euro currency". I'm pretty sure it should be "Italian people use *the* Euro currency".>>9874934>>9874951>Apothicary comes from greek "apotheke", latin "apotheca", late latin "apothecarius"So it's a Greek word, not French.
>>9874767Okay>"French nobility colonized Britain"
>>9874973That's the 7th paragraph of the article. And you're calling me illiterate?And it literally says, as you quoted:> most specialists in language contact do not consider English to be a true mixed language
>>9874976French latins spread that word to the British isles, not greeks.Sica is an illyro-thracian word meaning short sword, and albanian language still uses "thika" for knife.Yet sicario in spanish or sicaire in french come from having borrowed this word from romans.I wouldn't say sicario is an albanian loanword in spanish, it's a latin loanword instead.But anyway, apothecary isn't a german word. Even if it's greek, so what?
>>9875001>Most specialistsRead>All anglo speaking specialists
>>9874904>>9874924>>9874984Very nice!Now if anybody can replicate >>9874602 in Romance, I'll buy English is not Germanic.
>>9874984OH NONONO ANGLOBROS
>>9874602>Let's look for the French among my words:>noneAHEM..."useful"
>>9873563>>9873647That's not what a pidgin is you dumbass. It doesn't matter how many loanwords it takes on, that doesn't make it a pidgin. Otherwise basically every language could be considered a pidgin. >>9874936No there isn't. There is no debate about whether English should be classed as a Germanic language; the core grammar and vocabulary are Germanic, or evolved naturally therefrom. Again, no matter how many loanwords a language takes on, it doesn't change its classification.As an example, Japanese is approximately 60% Chinese loanwords, yet no one tries to class Japanese as a Chinese language or a pidgin.
>>9875027The French language isn't a peasant language. This is why you will only find French Word in high level english.
>>9875027Alright, a half-romance word.
Dieu est mon droit
>>9875062The fact you fail even when trying hard proves how utterly Frenchified English language is
>>9875047>The French language isn't a peasant language.French is to Latin what ebonics is to English. French is the Latin of the backwoods hicks at the ass end of the Roman Empire, mixed with the Germanic language of the Frankish barbarians. Go down to Alabama and listen to the gap-toothed cousin fuckers in the countryside try to speak English, and you'll get some idea of what it's like for anyone who knows Latin to listen to French. It disgusts me that French is considered a major European language.
>>9875083seething.This is not a secret that French was the language of the nobility, and english, the language of the peasants.
>>9875074>one mistake >fail What are you, a middle school teacher?
>>9875107>he really is a teacher
>>9874602>>9875012Okay, let's go.>TimeCan be replaced with "hour" (greek>latin>french), tempo (latin>french), epoch (greek>latin>french) era (latin>occitan>french), chronology (green>latin>french) or cadence (latin>italian>french).>Sheep, cow, pigCan be replaced with mutton, beef, pork.>To seeTo discern, perceive, notice, realize = all latin>french.>To slaughterTo butcher, from old french.>KingRuler, sovereign, both latin>french, or monarch (greek>latin>french).>MasterIs already derived from the latin word "magister".>HouseResidence or habitation, both latin>french.>StrengthPower (latin>italian>old french), force (latín>french), energy (greek>latin>french).>WonderAdmiration, fascination, miracle (all latin>french).>Hall Lobby (latin>french), corridor (latin>italian>french), entrance (latin>french), lounge (french, from allonger),..
>>9875102did i strike a nerve, m*d?
>>9875083Agreed. And english is to french what french is to italian.
>>9875135You really don't get the point, do you? The whole point is, while it is relatively tideous to form sentences using only Germanic words, it is impossible to have the English language with only Romance words, because prepositions and pronouns are all Germanic.
>>9874089Ah, yet another>nothing outside Europe really countsargument.Sure, within Europe the spread of English had a lot to do with the American presence post WW2. But across the rest of the world English was already the primary lingua franca for trade, international education, science and diplomacy, and in India and much of Africa was becoming a day-to-day second language. Even in Europe English had largely achieved parity with French in international affairs before WW2. For example, the primary language of Tsar Nicholas II's household was English, although they were fluent in French as well; the children didn't bother to master German even though it was their mother's first language, and spoke to her in English. The Tsar and Tsarina spoke English to each other, because Alix's Russian was shaky; in previous generations they would almost certainly have spoken French in that situation, but Tsar Nicholas was so fluent in English that it was said that it was less accented than his Russian. This idea that English remained a second-rate international language until WW2 is a myth, presumably spread by butthurt Frenchmen who like to go around telling everyone that French was the main language of international communication until the uncultured Americans took over.
I normally like Frenchies but for some reason there seem to be some Frenchies in this thread desperate to pretend that English is more of a French language than a Germanic languageNo, it's a Germanic languageCope
>>9875091>This is not a secret that French was the language of the nobility>wasHow times change. No matter what argument you come up with next, you're still going to have to post it in English. >>9875142Except French isn't going to make Italian extinct in another generation or two
>>9875176They do this all the time on /his/. Whenever anyone posts about British achievements the thread is immediately flooded by Eurotrash shitposting things like:>was against brown people, doesn't count>their allies did most of the fighting>they were a French colony>no culture, bad food>industrial revolution doesn't matter/was a bad thing>any other conceivable British achievement was really the French/Germans/Americans/etc
>>9875159>Sure, within Europe the spread of English had a lot to do with the American presence post WW2.And the only reason English is considered relevant nowdays is due to being spoken as second language in Europe and East Asia (where it was spread by American presence after WW2)No one cares about a bunch of naked spearschuckers in Nigeria or India speaking it>But across the rest of the world English was already the primary lingua franca for trade, international education, science and diplomacyIt was only the case within the British EmpireIn Spanish areas it was Spanish, in French areas it was French...etc>This idea that English remained a second-rate international language until WW2 is a myth, presumably spread by butthurt Frenchmen who like to go around telling everyone that French was the main language of international communication until the uncultured Americans took over.English was below French as international language until WW2It was still relevant, like Spanish and German were, but below FrenchAnd btw, even though it was the most dominant language of the era, French was nowhere near as dominant as English is now.It could be spoken by the elites from every nation, but the pleb sure as hell wouldn't speak it.The only reason why English is known by plebian all over the world nowdays is because America invented mass media (hollywood, rock and rap music, the internet...) and spread them to the entire planet
>>9875177keep copingEngland is the bastard child of France.
>>9874602>>9875135>>9875012>"Epoch" uses greek radical "epekhein".>Mutton, beef, pork? French-derived.>To perceive, to butcher, sovereign, master, residence, power, fascination, lounge, etc? Latin-french emanations.>Concerning apparently Germanic terms, namely Kindergarden, alternatively Iceberg : recent additions during German usefulness era.>Numerous ancient terms similarily exhibit Latin radicals, despite observing anglo-saxon inditing / diction structure.Consider getmanic locutions used supra:>zero
>>9875301Historically, no. And culturally, definitely not.
>>9875276>America invented mass media (hollywood, rock and rap music, the internet...) and spread them to the entire planetWut? America didn't invent cinema or music. Even the internet was made by a Bong. Wtf you on about?
>>9875176Automatically assuming that people who say "mean" stuff about Britain are French is retarded.You should visit boards with flags from times to times, you'll notice French aren't the ones spreading the "English = Latin" meme
>>9875406It's not about vocab it's about grammar, syntax, sentence structure, etc. English is not latin.
Also, friendly reminder that this is how your average thread about the Frenchness of Normans looks like with flags
>>9875323Historically, yes.Culturally, we are much closer than to the Germans.
>>9875402>that last replyBased Dutchman
>>9875406That retard doesn't realize the same type of "argument" is used against the Romanian language, or he's false-flagging Hungarian but I'm already getting too schizophrenic about this.
>>9873496>Portuguese ~200 mil>Brazil alone has more than 200mil peoplewhy do you post absolute garbage graphs?
"are" is Latin apparently
>>9875218>Whenever anyone posts about British achievements the thread is immediately flooded by Eurotrash shitposting things like:>was against brown people, doesn't count>>9875276>No one cares about a bunch of naked spearschuckers in Nigeria or India speaking itThe bong may have a point
>>9873496>Inflating those numbers with "non native speakers"
>>9875745>NOOOOOOOOO!!!! HOW DARE PEOPLE SAY THE TRUTH!!!!
>>9875276>>9875801India is more relevant than anywhere in Europe these days
>>9873496Half a billion Indians speaking A1 level English as a second language doesn't really count now does it?
>>9875276>But across the rest of the world English was already the primary lingua franca for trade, international education, science and diplomacy>It was only the case within the British Empire>In Spanish areas it was Spanish, in French areas it was French...etchttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukuzawa_Yukichi>The following year, Japan opened up three of its ports to American and European ships, and Fukuzawa, intrigued with Western civilization, traveled to Kanagawa to see them. When he arrived, he discovered that virtually all of the European merchants there were speaking English rather than Dutch.
>>9875864India is larger than Europe as a whole, and more populated, yet France, Germany or the UK alone have a bigger GDP.Europe put together has the largest GDP in the World, not the US, not China.
>mfw all these spergs coming to English language websites to reeeee at the English language in English
>>9875892>Europe put togetherA dumb thought experiment because Europe is almost as staunchly divided as African tribes, not only by language, glued together by convenience.The US and China on the contrary...
>>9875892>yet France, Germany or the UK alone have a bigger GDP.Actually, India has just about surpassed France and the UK (according to some measures; others put them just slightly below still, but its definitely going to overtake them soon)
>>9875926Europe isn't divided where it really matters : foreign policy and economy.I'd also argue the US is more divided than Europe rn.China is another beast as they're held together by a monarch with a firm grip, which is why they have a chance at defeating Europe in the future.I consider the US already out of the game though, they've fallen to African level banana republic. The Côte d'Ivoire, Guinea and US elections took place the same month, and there isn't much to differentiate them.
>>9875963Not with the Coronavirus it's not.They might beat the UK but only because the UK is free falling harder and harder.
>>9875917no queremos verte mas por aca gringo, recuerda quien manda en este pais
The english are responsible for brown people speaking englishAmericans and Hollywood are responsible for White People Speaking EnglishDespite this it remains a very non-white language.
>>9874579this, angloids have a massive inferiority complex towards the frogs
>>9875971Yet one can see Merkel and the other eurobureaucrats cheering Biden because "cooperation will come back"Europe is the one out of the game: An ageing population, low birth rates and high globohomo, surrounded by Russians and MENAs, an economy growing at sluggish rates and a forced patchwork of nations at odds with each other.This is why it's easy to anyone in the world that learning English is enough.
>>9875971>foreign policyYou shitting me, right? France is pissed with Italy and Turkey over Libya. Azerbaijan just fucked Armenia up. Poland and Hungary just fucked the EU budget. Germany still can't deal with China. Where is the co-operation?
>>9875982>Not with the Coronavirus it's not.As if the virus haven't ravaged Europe. India's GDP is now bigger than Germany or France or Italy.Add that fact to these facts: >>9875995
Who gives a fuck about GDP? India will never be as attractive to live as any European country, even shitholes like Transnitria.
>>9873773>>9873725>>9873647>>9873563You retards have absolutely no clue about anything in linguistics do you?A language having a lot of loan words doesn't mean it suddenly becomes part of the family that it took loan words from you dipshits. It's considered a Germanic language because it derived from earlier Germanic languages which you can see in how pretty much every structural word like "the" "a" "is" and pronouns etc have Germanic roots.And no I'm not saying that because I have anything against French or Latin you're just clueless
>>9873496>Portuguese is somehow less than the population of Brazil (220 million)Shit graph
>>9874674>>9874680only responsible for brown people speaking englishamerica, having revolted against the english and having usurped and cucked them in the 1900s, gets 100% of the credit for the spread of english post 1945.Don't forget you've been SUEZED.know your place.
>>9876025not every single person in brazil speaks portuguese you dumbass
>>9874767angloids on suicide watch, can't cope with being mutts, in language or genetics>>987488110/10
>>9876009>A language having a lot of loan words doesn't mean it suddenly becomes part of the family that it took loan words from you dipshits. It's considered a Germanic language because it derived from earlier Germanic languages which you can see in how pretty much every structural word like "the" "a" "is" and pronouns etc have Germanic roots.DESPERATE mutt cope
>>9875871Whoever wrote that wiki page is a brainlet and probably meant "Western merchants" rather than "European".And the reason is that 70% of foreign ships in Kanagawa at the time were American ships (the whole reason the port opened was an agreement between Japan and the US), and out of the non-American ones, half were British. So of course English was spoken a lot there.Doesn't change the fact that French was the lingua franca, and when Japs needeed to speak to foreigners, they usually used French rather than English.Pic related, for the Russo-Japanese War for exemple
>>9875159will brits __EVER__ stop desperately trying to claim American achivements as their own?>adds in his own overwhelming seethe about the frogsmy sidesyou're our 51st state and everything you claim you did, we did.
>>9875337Are you confusing the internet with the world wide web? Not terribly surprising, these days.
>>9873496The British Empire and its Anglo colony (the United States of America.)
>All these seething AnglophobesIf you hate Anglos, then put your money where your mouth is and stop using all Anglo inventions right now. Otherwise, kill yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_scientists>Sir Isaac Newton>Francis Bacon>Roger Bacon>Tim Berners-Lee>John Dalton>Charles Darwin>Michael Faraday>Alexander Fleming>Stephen Hawking>Peter Higgs>Edward Jenner>James Clerk Maxwell>Bertrand Russell>Sir William Thomson, 1st Baron Kelvin>Alan Turing>etc1/2
>>9876331>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_innovations_and_discoveries>Steam engine>Stellar motion>Vaccines>Chemical fertiliser>Telephone>Light switch>Fingerprints>Electron>Tractor>Tank>Television>Jet engine>Cash machine>DNA profiling>World Wide Web>Sewing machine>Pencil>Radio>Fiber optics>Radar>Fuel cell>Gas turbine>Fire extinguisher>Lawn mower>Tin can>Corkscrew>Mouse trap>Toilet>Toaster>Magnifying class>Toothbrush>Sunglasses>Refrigerator>Kaleidoscope>Whisky>Can opener>Malthusianism>Classical Liberalism>Anglicanism>Methodism>Quakerism>Agnosticism>Crucible steel>Hydraulic press>Cement>Stainless steel>Forceps>Anaesthesia>Aspirin>Vitamins>Insulin>Aircraft carrier>Shrapnel shell>Stun grenades>Torpedo>Cinematography>Move projector>Postcards>Barometer>Atomic science>Cell biology>Combustion>Dynamo>Calculus>Holography>Micrometer>Laws of gravity>Laws of motion>Helium>Dalton's Law>DNA sequencing>Aluminium>Silicones>Kerosene>Football>Rugby>Cricket>Tennis>Golf>Darts>Aeronautics>Electromagnetism>Noble gases>Plastic>Industrial Revolution>etc2/2Come on. Show us how dedicated you all are. The modern world was built by Anglos and their colonial offshoots like America like it you or not.
>>9876331>>9876338>scottish people>anglooh no no no there he goes again, trying to claim credit for other People's accomplishments
>>9876338>and their colonial offshoots like Americaoh the desperate deep seated cope and seethe that comes from being Usurped by your former colony
>>9876342I didn't mention a single Scot and Lowlander Scots (the Scots worth a damn) have heavily Anglo admixture. Stop Anglo inventions right now if you really hate Anglos. Come on.
>>9876354James Clerk Maxwelloh my fucking god have you angloids developed some insane cope where you try to claim people from Edinburgh as non-scots or english?wowyou really are upset about being usurped by America and the upcoming balkanization of the UK when scotland leaves.
>>9876354>heavily*HeavyTypoBut yes, every Scot who managed to accomplish anything of note was an anglicized Scot that was very Anglo in culture, language, religion, and blood. The reason Scots language is such a joke today is because most Lowlander Scots adopted English culture switched to English.
There it is boys, their inferiority complex also occurs on their shitty dismal irrelevant island.
Why have you all Anglophobes gone silent now? Cat got your tongue? Are you all going to stop using Anglo inventions and discoveries now or what? You should leave this site too since it was created by the Anglo-American Christopher Poole.>>9876399I'm not even Anglo. I just want to shit on the insecure Anglo haters here like you. The insufferable inferiority complexes you all have towards Anglos is silly and comical to be honest with you. It's made even worse by the fact that you all spout it in every thread of every board (which goes to show that Anglos live rent free in your heads).
I'm going to take the silence as a no and say that all of you will continue to reap the benefits of things that Anglos created while seething about them at the same time. How pathetic.
>>9876342>>9876354>>9876391>>9876395Scots may not be English but most of them qualify as Anglo. Gaelic was the language of the highlands, but the lowlands were Briton (that is, Welsh) and Anglo-Saxon. The Britons up north got Anglicized in the same process that saw the spread of English in what is now England; in fact 'England' during the early Middle Ages stretched as far north as the Firth of Forth. Strathclyde held onto its celtic identity a little longer than most of England, but it was Anglicized before even Cornwall. Certainly, by the time anyone from Scotland did anything historically relevant to the wider world Edinburgh was as English as York or Exeter.
>>9876564>>9876434desperate angloid copeEthnicity >>>>>>>>>>>>> LanguageAmerica Is not Anglo.America Unmade Anglos.
>>9873506>English>Germanic languageEnglish is a French creole
>>9876604>Ethnicity >>>>>>>>>>>>> Language>America Is not Anglo.>America Unmade Anglos.Every single founding father of America was a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. Every single one. The majority of America's population was Anglo when it was founded.
>>9876645>they unmade us but they still count for usmy sidesyou've been defeated nigel. sit down.
>>9876434>>9876504>>9876564I don't care about anglos, don't love them, don't hate them. I think they did neat things, have some kino architecture, culture and music, but also some cringe stuff.I just think that English is a subpar language compared to what the other indo-european languages can offer, and it's main saving grace, a large vocabulary, was mainly borrowed from latin and a latin-derivated romance language, french.The grammar is attrocious, the writing is horrible, the conjugations are really poor and it lacks nuance and finesse. The few good traits that germanic has such as infections, three genders including a neutral one or the way new words are formed, English doesn't.I think it was an already poor language that lacked sophistication that continued getting simpler and simpler as it became a merchant language.Spanish, German, French, Italian or even Russian and Greek are superior in every possible way, except for the vocabulary, which again, is borrowed.
>>9876679>taking pride in being the creator of the muttkek
>>9876680Then stop writing, speaking, and reading in English right now if you hate it. Put your mouth where your money is.
>>9875443>bong is the one pointing out Normans are French and mutt is the one denying itHilarousI fucking wish /his/ had flags
>>9876715Unlike certain people, the Brits have no reason to be insecure or have inferiority complexes. They know for a fact that they're superior when compared to the French.Forgot to link post
>>9875443>Refer to themselves as Franks Kek at Gallo-Roman rape babies claiming to have anything to do with Germanic Franks let alone Germanic Vikings from Scandinavia.
>>9876802Friendly reminder that William the Conqueror was a black-haired and brown-eyed med
>>9873496brazil alone has more people that you gave the portuguese languageportuguese has 260M at the very least
>>9876645I'd argue at this point, America is no longer anglo to be honest. There's a huge hispanic influence in America. It's anglo-hispanic now. Even Canada, which has a French minority but minority territorially keeps to itself most of the time, is more anglo than America.
>>9876910That painting is from the 16th century, you dumbass. You should be able to tell that from the armour.
>>9876940That's true. However, It doesn't change the fact that America's founders were Anglos and its founding stock population is Anglo. Also, WASP culture dominates America. English is the official de fact language too.
>>9876802I'am a Frank. We are French.
>>9873647>CelticEnglish has remarkably very little Celtic loan words, Celtic influence is downright negligible
>>9873724Same applies to Japanese and Mandarin, so what? Most vocabulary consists of niche words that are not used in daily conversation, the bulk of English remains Germanic, not everyone speaks like a fucking Lawyer in court.
>>9873740India was, and still is, the second most populated part of planet earth nigga
>>9876045You're not Brazilian, are you?99% of Brazil speaks Portuguese. The Indians in the Amazon are literally less than 1% of Brazil's population, and there is not a single state in Brazil where Spanish is predominant. Brazil is remarkably homogenous in speaking Portuguese.
>>9876966Yes but it's no longer recognisably anglo. I mean you have presidential candidates that speak Spanish to get votes. Your favourite foods are tacos. You don't play anglo sports like Rugby/Cricket. You don't have the monarchy. I'm not saying having/not having these things are bad. But honestly, I don't count Americans as anglo but as anglo-hispanic.
>>9877004No, you're not a Frank, Gaston. You're a Gallo-Roman rape baby mutt. Don't fool yourself into into thinking that you have anything to do with Germanics such as Clovis, Charles the Hammer, Charles the Great, and William the Conqueror. You were just a servant that washed their steeds.
>>9876705Why?I think it's an unrefined language, but I still think it's useful and I still realize it's the lingua franca.I still don't use it in daily life and avoid it whenever I can during work.I'm french and I work with lots of people from all around the world. Whenever I have to exchange with someone from Italy, south America or German I switch to their native language because I can speak it. I still talk English with nords, British people, Portuguese, Poles etc.
... Was it Woden?
>>9877060You're using a language that you hate? How pathetic. I guess English isn't a sub-par language after all when it BTFO'd all the other supposedly superior languages you mentioned and you have to use it to communicate against your desires.
>>9877057Catering to Spics to win their votes doesn't make you a Spic. Their favourite foods are McDonalds, definitely not tacos. American football evolved from soccer and rugby. Having or not having monarchy has nothing to do with being Anglo. The American Constitution is directly inspired from the Magna Carta, and political liberalism is an Anglo ideology which dominates the world today because it was spread by Anglos. You're deluded.
>>9877140Not deluded. I lived in America. I've also lived in Australia too. I was born in the UK. America is wayy of the chart when it comes to Anglo culture. I mean, half of you talk about being Irish or Italian. Americans aren't anglo. No aussie I've talked about regards you as Anglo either. You lost your anglo heritage a few decades back. >Catering to Spics to win their votes doesn't make you a Spic.err, if you start speaking their language and absorb their culture, yes it does.>Their favourite foods are McDonalds, definitely not tacos.Well idk about that but who cares, Mexican food is so popular in america. >American football evolved from soccer and rugbyIt's not an anglo sport at all. Anglos play rugby and cricket.>Having or not having monarchy has nothing to do with being Anglo.No, but its a sign of anglo culture. Again, you got rid of it and were happy to do so. (Fwiw, I'm a republican too)>The American Constitution is directly inspired from the Magna Carta,Yes, and I admire it. I didn't say the founding of America wasn't anglo. I said the current state of America is that it isn't anglo. Because it isn't. You're not the same as us British, or Aussies or New Zealanders. We have far more in common with Canada than America.
>>9877173>err, if you start speaking their language and absorb their culture, yes it does.Americans neither speak the language of Spics nor absorb Spic culture. No one in America other than Spics greets someone with ''buenos dias'' or wears a sombrero.>Well idk about that but who cares, Mexican food is so popular in america.I accept your concession.>It's not an anglo sport at all. Anglos play rugby and cricket.It's literally the child of soccer and rugby. It's absolutely Anglo. No soccer and rugby = no American football.>No, but its a sign of anglo culture. Again, you got rid of it and were happy to do so. (Fwiw, I'm a republican too)No, it isn't. Every single country is and/or was a monarchy. There's nothing particularly or inherently Anglo about monarchy.>Yes, and I admire it. I didn't say the founding of America wasn't anglo. I said the current state of America is that it isn't anglo. Because it isn't. You're not the same as us British, or Aussies or New Zealanders. We have far more in common with Canada than America.WASP culture dominates modern America. Having sub-cultures doesn't change that. You're deluded.
>>9876705Put your mouth where my dick is.
>>9877235>Americans neither speak the language of Spics nor absorb Spic culture. No one in America other than Spics greets someone with ''buenos dias'' or wears a sombrero.Are you being serious? Have you been to California!? >It's literally the child of soccer and rugby.Yes, but its properly anglo and only you play it. Like I said, Anglos play rugby, football and cricket. You play none of those.>No, it isn't. Every single country is and/or was a monarchy. There's nothing particularly or inherently Anglo about monarchy.You violently overthrew the monarchy. Why do you desperately try to cling onto something that signifies anglo culture?>WASP culture dominates modern America.Fucking lol>Having sub-cultures doesn't change that.Yes, presidential candidates speaking Spanish. """"Sub"""" culture>You're deluded.You're the one who can't accept you're no longer anglo. Deal with it.
>>9877361You're basically regurgitating your previous points that were already addressed. By your logic, I might as well as say the United Kingdom is the Poo Kingdon because it's filled with Pajeets, Australia is Chinkralia because it's filled with Chinks, and New Zealand is New Shitland because it's filled with all kinds of shitskins. Have the last reply if you want. Your delusion is boundless.
>>9877361Not him but it's amazing how confidently you lie about something you know nothing about. The class structure in the US is racial and there's very little overlap. Almost everyone in the upper-middle class is a WASP or Jew. You can tell because Asian immigrants, which tend to upper-middle class, tend to adopt WASP culture. If you stick to the dregs of society, I'm sure black and Spic culture dominates.I live in Southern California and not only is it so segregated that I never see Spics in my area, no American here speaks Spanish or is influenced by Spic culture in any way. In my high school, people were just as likely to take Latin, French, or German as Spanish. Unless you think having a Taco Bell means we're basically Mexico.I would even go so far as to say that Americans have stuck closer to 18th-century Anglo-Saxon values than any other "Anglo" country.
>>9877133Being more widespread doesn't mean it's intrinsically better.Rap is more successful than other musical genres today. I wouldn't call it the best musical genre nonetheless.And again, I don't hate english, I just find it rather poor and unpolished. But that's fine.I think Italy is a neat country and has better scenery than my own for instance, yet I don't move there, because life isn't about doing everything you love and avoiding everything you don't like, you giant baby.
>Frogposters constantly claiming English is mutted and not a Germanic language >le English is 30% French heuueueh >completely ignorant of the fact Old French itself was 30% Frankish loanwords >completely ignorant of the fact even modern French is still 15% Frankish loanwords despite them trying to purify it in the Middle Ages >completely ignorant of the fact huge percentages of the French loanwords into English were ultimately of Frankish, thus Germanic, origin >don't understand the difference between a superstrate and core vocabulary Here's just a tiny few examples of French loanwords into English which are ultimately of Germanic origin: >attach >attack >war >guard >common >forest >border >banner >flag >dungeon >rich >abandon >franchise >amuse >auburn >roast >bacon >badge >lodge >baffle >baggage >mail >garbage >balcony >ballast >balloon >ballot >ban >bandit >robber >bank >banquet >bard >barge >barmaid >baron >bastille >bastion >bastard >billiard >billboard >blank >blanket >bloc >blond >blouse >bluff >boulevard >bourgeois >bout >baton >braille >brand >butcher >battle >wage And here's an A-B list of French words of Germanic origin, if you want to go through and find just how may French loanwords in English are ultimately of Frankish or other Germanic origin>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_words_of_Germanic_origin_(A-B)>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Latinates_of_Germanic_origin
>>9877931And most of loanwards were incorporated into late latin/italian, from there to french and from there to English.Either way your language was poor and needed enriching which is why it borrowed 80% of its vocabulary.
>>9876342>scottish peopleIf people in the Lowlands of Scotland are not English, then honestly nobody really is. They were considered English and Germanic/Teutonic for pretty much the last 1,000 years. Even calling them Scottish is a fairly recent thing, and that only came about when the actual Scottish (Gaels) were forcibly assimilated and pushed into the cities, now that the language distinction is gone the ethnic one largely is and people are basically trying to fuse together 2 very different historical ethnic groups and call them both Scottish since it's embarrassing to have to acknowledge basically anything of note that ever happened in what we now call Scotland came from people who were considered (and actually were) English by themselves and everyone else for centuries.You can still see clearly in the actual Scottish (Gaelic) language though clear evidence of the historical reality. Their term for the Lowlands to this day remains 'a' Ghalldachd', literally 'place of the foreigners' and their word for Lowlanders was always 'goill' which means strangers/foreigner/alien/outlander and was a term they also used for the Normans, Norse and other English they encountered.>The Maxwell surname is a habitation name derived from a place named Maxwell near Melrose in country Roxburghshire. The place name derives from the Old English personal name "Maccus," and the Old English word "weil" Old English for a stream or spring.This is a good example of the kind of modern day whitewashing and cope that goes on in "Scot"land. Claiming a lastname which clearly derives from Old English in an area (whose placename is ALSO Germanic) heavily, heavily settled by Germanic peoples historically is somehow "Scottish" because he was born in a region of the world which later came to be known as Scotland.
the english inferiority complex towards americans is deep, but man i guess the one towards the french runs deeper
>>9876966>lists english first and german last despite english being the least relevant american ethnic group and german being basically the most relevant onewew
>>9875218That's mostly Italians or Germans generally. They are way too up in their ass to admit they are second fiddle nowdays
>>9875218all good points
>>9875176>No, it's a Germanic language
>>9874394>Mutton, beef and pork all come from frenchThis is a common example but ignores recent changes in the language. A few-hundred years ago people were using those words interchangeably with their Germanic equivalents (i.e. "the beef in yon field")
>>9874089>"Let the French, therefore, triumph in the present diffusion of their tongue. Our solid and increasing establishments in America promise a superior stability and duration to the English language" - David Hume, 1767>"English is destined to be in the next and succeeding centuries more generally the language of the world than Latin was in the last or French is in the present age. The reason of this is obvious, because the increasing population in America, and their universal connection and correspondence with all nations will, aided by the influence of England in the world, whether great or small, force their language into general use, in spite of all the obstacles that may be thrown in their way, if any such there should be" - John Adams, 1780So, anon, I know you intended your post as an insult to England/Britain but it seems you were pre-empted by both American and Briton alike - and that by a quarter-of-a-millennium. Even before the Revolutionary War, the British were viewing their colonisation of the Americas as a future boon to the spread of their language. Even in the ultra-nationalistic, independently-minded first years after the Declaration of Independence, the Founding Fathers were exclaiming their pride in the English language and stating their belief - and hope - that the greatness of the English nation would contribute to its spread along with the States' own expansion in territory and increase in population.In other words, a joint effort and it always has been.
>>9874089>"It is evident to all those who devoted any portion of attention to the subject, that the English language would, if proper care and attention were devoted to its advancement, stand an excellent chance of becoming more universally diffused, read and spoken than any other now is, or ever has been. In Europe, the study of it seems gradually to be spreading. In Germany, Russia and Scandinavia it is esteemed an essential, in France a highly useful, branch of education; in Africa it is gradually superseding the Dutch, and becoming the medium of valuable information. In Australasia it is not only widely spoken, as the only European language known on that vast continent, but written and printed in an almost incredible number of newspapers, magazines, and reviews. In Asia so great is the desire manifested to learn it that it was thought, by Bishop Heber, that if proper facilities were afforded it would, in fifty years, supersede Hindoostanee, and become the court and camp language of India. In America, millions already speak, read and write it as their mother tongue... Never before did a language look forward to so bright a prospect as this" - Richard W. Bailey, 1829
>>9874089Let's see what one of the most famous linguists of the 19th Century had to say:>"Of all modern languages, not one has acquired such strength and vigour as the English... it may justly be called a language of the world... destined to reign in future with still more extensive sway over all parts of the globe" - Jakob Grimm, 1851Hmm...>a language of the world>destined to reign in future with still more extensive sway over all parts of the globe>1851
>>9876645Charles Carroll of Carrollton was a Catholic of Irish descent who signed the Declaration of Independence, and later served in the first US Senate.
>>9877060>I'm frenchYou didn't need to clarify that, you inadvertently revealed yourself by referring to English as 'a merchant language' as it's a trope common amongst, and unique to, Francophones
>>9877060>I think it's an unrefined languageMeaningless statement
>>9878705This whole thread is French people who don't realise we can tell from their shitty grammar that they're French
>>9875443>meds wonAll of the houses of Southern France were legacies of Carolingian expansion, and founded by men with distinctly Germanic names
Lmao @ all the retard frogs calling English a French language despite being entirely Germanic in structure. >n-n-no there are borrowed words for concepts! Shut the fuck up Pierre, every structural word and pronoun in English is German in language and you're just coping for the fact you have to speak it every day for anyone to give a shit about anything you post.
>>9878705I'm not french and i call it that too in order to rile up bongs. it hits deep because the english upper class always desperately tried to larp as frencheven so far that you use latin in ceremonies, what a bunch of cringe cases on that tiny dying irrelevant reverse-colonized island.
>I'm over 50% brown but i'm german!just like ami's go on about their mutt genetics, brits are desperate to have their mutted brown language viewed as "germanic" (White)
>>9874435I mean this started happening due to the inclusion of Norman French into the vernacular during the "Middle English" period.
>>9874563>UK now follows america in everything, their people see american media for culture and are materialistic like americans youthAnd France has more McDonald's outlets than any other nation in Europe
>>9874551>look at these worthless brown people who we made poorly speak our language with god awful accentswell done UK, well donemeanwhile every white person who learns it does so because of american media and technology
If Normans were just French people, and the elite in England 'French' post-1066, why did Henry of Huntingdon - a Norman man writing for a Norman patron in the mid-12th Century - record this speech, purported to have been made by William the Conqueror at Hastings and presumably handed down to Henry as a kind of 'ethnic folk tale' by his father and other Normans? It seems to be more anti-French than anti-English lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfxj5Bq00s0
>>9878807>look at these worthless brown people who we made poorly speak our languagetake a seat lmao
If China stays on the stage it will supercede English.
>>9874512look at a fucking map please
>>9878807>look at these worthless brown people who we made poorly speak our language>who we made poorly speak our languageNice syntax bro, you're clearly one of the brown people we made poorly speak our language.
>>9874089>science was written in Germanyeah i'm sure Newton, Rutherford, Watt, Brunell, etc all wrote thier scientific discoveries in German you spastic lmao
>>9874089>The language of largest trade, financier and pan-global exporter in the world wasn't important before WW2I've seen some genuine morons in my time but you're a real piece of work.
>>9873496Tough love. An enemy chooses language to entice. There is no hate in politics just tough love. Win some.However speaking to researchers. Latin is very Native american in pronounciation. Very chesty pronunciation. Where as if you would’ve travelled 1500 years back they would have had an Irish bostonian accent. Where aa is prevalent for example in kāh for car. More high pitches. Also old Latin doesn’t translate in pronounciation to modern Latin for example a letter like v may not sound like b but an a. So German is a mixture of Slavic and Native American which makes it recent. If you have official German docs you’d realize they spoke a polish dialect. Everything was a hit the switch revolution when they realized Americas wasn’t desert since most American movies of an era were mostly only allowed to depict desert and arid scenery. So as not to entice immigration.
>>9877058>Germanics such as [...] William the Conqueror.Top kekDude was at least 1/3rd Celtic due to his Breton admixture (and probably even more since even his "Frankish" admixture came from Gaulified ancestors)
Well this is the stupidest argument I've seen for a while.
>This level of coping>Taking pride into being weither or not closely related to the germans ...
>>9874089Based, all these fags seething
>>9877014>Same to and , so what? Most of words that are not in daily the bulk of English Germanic, not everyone speaks like a fucking Lawyer inThat's your post after removing words with a non-Germanic origin.
>>9880987We can all tell its the same person posting 'seethe' and 'cope' over and over again you stupid Eurotrash.
>>9878524No. It's because mutton, beef and pork refer to the meat, once it's slaughtered and served.Basically the dishes were named using the language of french lords that ate them, and the animals were named using the language of anglo peasants raising them and preparing them for consumption for their lords.
>>9879132They wrote in latin.
>>9881598Newtons original original drawings prove you wrong tho?
>>9873496Pur colonial nations arent shit tier dumpster fires
>>9881799Published in his lifetime>De analysi per aequationes numero terminorum infinitas (1669, published 1711)>Of Natures Obvious Laws & Processes in Vegetation (unpublished, c. 1671–75)>De motu corporum in gyrum (1684)Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica (1687)>Scala graduum Caloris. Calorum Descriptiones & signa (1701)Opticks (1704)>Arithmetica Universalis (1707)Published posthumously>De mundi systemate (The System of the World) (1728)>Optical Lectures (1728)>The Chronology of Ancient Kingdoms Amended (1728)He mostly wrote in latin, especially the most important work.Because latin was the lingua franca among all people with a formal education across Europe.Latin fell out of fashion because of the heresies and the reformation.If you think about it, protestantism is the starting point of many nefarious things that plague our modern world, including the widespread usage of wretched barbaric pidgins.
>>9882092>wretched barbaric pidgins.Again, that is not what a pidgin is. It has a set linguistic meaning, which does not include 'one language that borrows vocabulary from another language'. A pidgin is a new language based on an existing language but with a simplified grammar and limited vocabulary. Furthermore, it's only classified as a pidgin as long as it remains a second language with no native speakers - as soon as it become a primary language it's called a creole.
>>9882092I have no comeback from this, no amount of mental gymnastics will aid my escape from this folly and must conclude I have been btfo.
>>9882161I know the definitions, but pidgin sounds more insulting and dismissive while creole has some happy, sunny and exotic undertones, which do not fit a language spawned in the sorry shores of the islands of perpetual fog and rain.
Why did the British Isles switch languages but not Finland?
>>9882432Anglos are submissive by nature.They already adopted poo dishes as national cuisine.In a few centuries you will find another 15% of words of """asian""" origins in neo-english.
>>9881441>gets proven wrong>repeats himself with extra insultswow good argument bro
>>9882432>Why did the British Isles switch languages but not FinlandEnglish>EnglishEnglish>EnglishEnglish>EnglishEnglish>English
>>9873496Germanic genetical ascendancy
>>9878530>>9878573>>9878617>>9878637>>9878729>>9878811>not a single response to these postsquite telling tbqhwy
>>9883405No it's the litteral explication behind there being parallel words for meats.>The theory goes that the distinction between terms for live animals and dead-animal meat was influenced by class differences between Anglo-Saxon servants and Norman elites. >Lexicographer Robert Burchfield calls the theory “an enduring myth.” But, Bill Bryson, an author who has studied English and historical topics extensively, thinks the class theory is a “reasonable generalization.” >It goes like this: Old-English words were used when describing the live animals, because the lower-class Anglo-Saxon farmers and hunters were responsible for raising (and then killing) the animals. Fancier French words were introduced to describe the culinarily-transformed, tasty, and often expensive meats that would grace the tables of wealthy Normans (who weren’t getting their hands bloody).>So, we get a list of distinctions like this: Animal (Anglo-Saxon, Old English): Cu (cow), Picg (pig) or Swīn (swine), Scēp (sheep), Dēor (deer), Cealf (calf) Meat (Norman, Old French): Buef (beef), Porc (pork), Moton (mutton), Venesoun (venison), Veel (veal)>It’s not like the Anglo-Saxons were against French words for “chicken”: after the invasion, the conquered people adopted poultry from the Old French pouletrie, meaning “domestic fowl.” And, the English word pullet (meaning “young hen”) comes from poulet, but it’s little known outside the chicken-farming community. Why didn’t poulet (or pullet) stick in English, the way pork and beef have? Because the animal/meat distinction was only meant for cloven-footed animals and not feathered fowl.Source : https://www.dictionary.com/e/animal-names-change-become-food/
>>9876621In the average conversation 80% of words used are Germanic in origin. Total number of words are majority French, but most of those are rarely used.
>>9884455>In : from germanic > english>The : from germanic > english>Average : from arabic > italian > french > english>Conversation : from latin > french > english>Eighty : from germanic > english>Percent : from latin > french > english>Of : from germanic > english>Words : from germanic > english>Used : from latin > french > english>Germanic : from latin > french > english>Origin : from latin > french > english>Are : from german > english>Total : from latin > french > english>Number : from latin > french > english>Majority : from latin > french > english>French : from germanic > latin > french > english>But : from germanic > english>Most : from germanic > english>Those : from germanic > english>Rarely : from latin > french > english>Used : from latin > french > english21 words12 of them were introduced into english by french9 of them were passed directly from germanic to english, of which 5 are : in, the, of, but, those, and 2 are : are, most; which means only 2 of them are substantial (as in describe something with substance) : word and eighty.10 of them are latinMake of that what you wish.
>>9884781>According to a study cited by Robert McCrum in The Story of English, all of the first hundred of the most common words in English are of Anglo-Saxon origin, except for "people", ultimately from Latin "populus", and "because", in part from Latin "causa".
>>9873496Conquering a bunch of empty land, having people move into it because their backwards feudal monarchies are way worse, and forcing them to speak their language if they want any rights.The end.
>>9884179>Lexicographer Robert Burchfield calls the theory “an enduring myth.” But, Bill BrysonThat's all we need to know, reallyYou've also ignored my point for a third time
>>9884179The English 'peasantry' were always one of the best-fed in Europe, with a far higher degree of meat consumption than those in, say, France. Pork-derived products were far and away the most prevalent.