There is no hell, and if there was no loving God would've made such a place
>>9872757That's riteGod fucking hates us
>Hey, I dug a hole outside. >If you leave me you will fall in.“Pssht, you can’t tell me what to do SKY DADDY!”>Okay...“WAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!! WHY DIDNT YOU SAVE ME FROM THE PIT?!?!”>You told me you wanted to go in the pit “I DIDNT KNOW IT WAS REAL!!!”>I gave you plenty of chances“WELL LET ME OUT OF HERE THEN!!!!!”>No“F-F-FFUCK YOU GAWD!!!!!”The reward of the atheist
>>9872786Why did you dig a hole that leads to a pit of immeasurable suffering for all eternity in the first place
>>9872757it's just christcucks digging themselves into a corner because they need it to seem like god is all powerful therefore he must've made hell, therefore he must've had a good reason for it. But hell like all of life's miseries is the work of Angra Mainyu as yet another attempt to bring suffering to the servants of Ahura Mazda, one that we will overcome.
>>9872801Why not? If I am perfect then everything outside of my protection is by default the opposite
*unblocks your path*Leave samsara to me“Gate gate paragate parasamgate boddhi, svaha”
>>9872757Hell is the absence of God. God didn't create hell, hell was there always, with God.
>>9872819Sounds pretty neurotic and puts normal functioning moral people off of your barbaric religion
>>9872819Remember kids, this is your mind on the Abrahamoid Weltanschauung.
>>9872757Says the sinner who believes he knows more than his master and creator.
>>9872851Bingo. Your parents don’t create the cold, you’re the one choosing to run into it naked. God is uncreated and unchanging.>>9872870*tips fedora*>>9872882Not an argument >>9872955No. I don’t have autism. Autism actually correlates with atheism because you fat ugly losers don’t have souls.
>>9872757Hell as a place of eternal torture for sinners is mostly an extra-Biblical creation of renaissance literature.Biblical Hell was a temporary period of separation from the light of God, followed by a second death on the Day of Judgment that lead to oblivion.
>>9872969>Your parents don’t create the cold,This. Why can't people just be honest? God isn't really all-powerful. He was just saying that to impress girls. God has no power over hell. God fears hell like an old lady fears bad weather.
>>9873000Why would the creator of all things be afraid of one of His creations which are inherently limited in design?
Atheists have the understanding of the of a 9 years old kid. They can't grasp more than >"good ppl heaven bd ppl hell">"god le old man in the skies with white beard" >"restrictions no fun :(" >"if God why bad?" Get an education before "refuting" anything, please. Pic related is how you guys sound.
>>9873037Based children's drawing
>>9872786Hey, why did you dig the hole in the first place?
>>9873022Think hard, anon. How do we know God created everything? Because he said so. But what do all studies show? Things came about through natural processes, God lied. God is just a braggart, he lies to make himself sound big. In the Bible God is depicted throwing flaming hail, talking to humans and raising the dead.In reality, God has no control over the weather (ask a Christian to pray for rain) God can't talk to people (ask a Christian to set up a meeting with you and God) and he can't raise the dead (ask a Christian to bring somebody back to life.)There's a huge gulf between what God says he can do and what he can actually do. Studies have shown that praying usually does nothing, some studies have shown that it makes things worse. God is probably just some cosmic court jester who decided to camp out in the Solar System and impress the locals (a big fish in a small pond if you will.)
>>9873062Just because God doesn't necessarily answer people's prayers as they see fit right when they want it doesn't mean God isn't listening and doesn't have the capability to act on it.
>>9873062There are primary causes and secondary causes anon. You see, you have the theological understanding of a 5 years old kid. You literally think we theists believe that God is spilling little teardrops from the sky to make rain. Just fucking open a book and read what theists meant by God 2500 years before you were born.
>God does something that the atheists disagree withIs this somehow an argument against the existence of God?
>>9873073I don't expect God to be some kind of wish-granting Genie, that would be incredibly naive besides, I never do anything for him, I wouldn't expect him to do anything for me. But (if the tall tales are true) I would expect God to do the things HE wants done.Example: God hates homosexuals, I would expect God to be hassling gay guys all the time, but I never hear of any supernatural hate crimes, so the only possible explanation is that God is powerless to stop them. God also hates tall buildings and international communication (the Tower of Babel) yet God has done nothing to stop the construction of any tall buildings (arguably, he put an end to the WTC but he sure took his sweet time and he didn't even use magic.) There are skyscrapers everywhere! And what about language barriers? God did nothing to stop the global spread of English or French. He never stepped in to end Google Translate. He can't even be bothered to smite any of those Modern Foreign Language classes. Open your eyes man, he's a paper tiger.>>9873106"My friend can do a fouette en tournament!""Cool! Let's see it!""No. I'm not wearing the right kind of shoes.""That's okay maybe later?""NO! I won't let you see it! Not now, not ever! you have a 5 year old's understanding of ballet!"Also, I don't think God causes rain. Because I doubt his superpowers. You're the one claiming that God can do anything. Prove it.
>>9872851this is anglican wankshit, at the end of time there is a physical resurrection, and then yes, the damned are thrown into a physical lake of fire to burn for all time. Jesus talks often and explicitly about exactly whats in store for the damned.
>>9873135>Example: God hates homosexuals, I would expect God to be hassling gay guys all the time, but I never hear of any supernatural hate crimes, so the only possible explanation is that God is powerless to stop them. You never considered the fact that God is simply letting them make the mistake to learn from their mistake and repent?
>>9872992>Hell as a place of eternal torture for sinners is mostly an extra-Biblical creation of renaissance literature.why don't you try reading the bible, and THEN form opinions on it?
>>9872757>there is no timeout and a loving parent would never put their kids there!try again, anon. Maybe your definitions just need correction?
>>9873135>>9873149Keep in mind that one of the reasons God does not intervene may very well be the fact that good people are responsible to stop it as well.
>>9873144Thank you, literal God. So glad you came to 4chan to inform us all of your plans!
>>9873161If you don't like what christ is selling, change your label faggot.
>>9873161>anglican faggots are now denying the resurrection you druids have gone too far.
>>9873149What mistake? They're having a whale of a time. Do you honestly think there's a significant percentage of Gays who repent? If God has a problem with them, that's his problem and he should deal with it.>>9873157God has magic powers and hates gays. So he expects ordinary people (with no superpowers and no particular hatred of gays) to go out and hassle homosexuals; with the result that said ordinary people will most probably loose their jobs, get arrested and forever be a social outcast. That's insane, that's like Superman saying: "Jimmy Olsen, you go and fight with Metallo, i'm just going to stay home and put my feet up". I'm telling you: God's lying about the superpowers.
>>9873153Hell is not a "timeout". Hell is eternal. Once you are in hell, you are in hell for good. FFS read the bible.
>>9872757A god would've made a hell but not for the sinners or whatever, but as a jail of sorts to keep something inside, rather that bringing things from outsideGiven christkeks had already shitted up the thread so the theological implications of such a plane can't be discussed on this board
>>9873190I'm not going to list all the reasons why homosexuality is bad for society but there's a reason 95% of all religion and culture has been anti-homosexuality for the the bulk of their existence and society.They must repent or be left behind and reap the consequences of their own decisions.
>>9873190A 35 year old AIDS infested faggot who blows his brains out rather than have forever wear a diaper is a pretty bad example of a character not cursed by the LORD
>>9873211Hey man, if you like gay bashing, that's alright. I'm not going to hassle you about it. All I'm saying is that if God's so worked up about it, he should do something, let us know what the score is.>>9873212No, because rectal damage and AIDS are caused by natural processes, that's why nobody fears them. Humans don't fear things they understand. If God used a little magic, the whole human race would get the message. I don't care about the whole gay thing; but if a few dozen gay districts were struck by earthquakes on Christmas and a few prominent gays got hit by inexpiable bolts of lightning, I'd be on the steps of the town hall screaming Bible verses through a megaphone within the hour.
>>9873247That's pretty cool. Did somebody write that for God? There's a lot of give in this relationship and no take. People are always making nice things for God or praying to him but God never does anything for them. People wrote the Bible to show how much they love God, God never even sent a single love note back.
>>9873233You don't understand, I'm trying to warn you about what your actions will lead to.Read about Sodom and Gomorrah.
>>9873263yes, the bible was written by people.
>>9873266I think you've got the whole thing backwards chief. I'm not gay, I just don't care about gays. I'd probably go to prison if I tried to preach at a Pride Parade. Which is why I think God should take care of this, I mean, think about how much trouble you would have gotten into with the social justice Nazis if you wrote that on Twitter. You're just a human, God shouldn't be delegating his responsibilities to you (if he really has superpowers, that is.)>>9873273I know. I'm just saying, why doesn't God ever send anything back? Lots of people love him, he should reciprocate.
>>9873287>if god real or significant why does He allow us to do things He doesn't want us to doYou don't understand the concept of agency do you? Why are we sentient? Why are we made in God's image?He has all power, and exercises all mercy in allowing us to act as we choose for better or worse. This life is a test and an experience of simulated mortality, our souls are infinite.
>>9873311No offence, but I have to address a few points:>why does He allow us to do things He doesn't want us to doThat's not what I'm asking. I'm asking why he doesn't let people know what the consequences are. The only reason some people don't take the word of God seriously is they don't believe God can touch them. A little Shock and Awe would show them that Gods prepared to back up his word with actions and we'd still have free will.>Why are we sentient?Don't know. Maybe God did it, maybe it just happened and he's taking the credit for it. He knows we can't call him out on it. He's literally outside our universe.>Why are we made in God's image?I doubt that. The idea that God is some bearded man in the sky has always seemed stupid to me. God's way beyond us, that's why everybody just assumes that he can do anything, from our point of view, he looks infinite.>He has all powerThis is the thing that makes me a weird kind of heretic, I just don't see any demonstration of that power. Everything mysterious gets ascribed to God. Then when human figure it out, it turns out God wasn't involved. People used to think that lightening was sent by God until Ben Franklin created the lightning tod.>and exercises all mercyAgain, me being a heretic. I sometimes think he's holding back, but most of the time, I think he can't do anything.>This life is a test and an experience of simulated mortalityThat's a big if. I could go out right now and preach the Gospel at some Gay nightclub (i.e do God's work) he wouldn't stop me from getting arrested, he wouldn't stop me from going to prison, he wouldn't stop me from being shanked. Why should I assume that after I die he's going to spring into action? I think the afterlife is just one big waiting room filled with thousands of years worth of devout believers, each one waiting for God to call their number, but he never does.
>>9873037Why shouldn't Gods message be simple enough a child can understand it. Why do you need 12 levels of abstraction just to come to the conclusion that "God good" when your original assumption of childhood understand of god was functionally no different.
>>9872757Hell is temporary
>>9873381jesus explicitly says otherwise
>>9873344So basically your main quandry is why God seems so silent?In the information age faith is a mountain, mull that over for a bit. Try praying.
>>9872757Only a God that loves justice can create the Hell that you deny.
there isn't one but there should be
God is merciful not lovingDumb christcucks
According to hinduism, the worshippers become like the object of worship.How are the christians becoming? Self explanatory, really, you both can see if their god is good and if they are becoming like them.
>>9872757>NOOO WHY DOESN’T GOD ALLOW ME TO BE A MINDLESS DEGENERATEFuck off retard.
>According to hinduism,
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>>9874820And it seems to be real and legit, these poos worship poo gods and they eat poo, you worship and evil knievel and you behave like evil knievels.
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>>9874833>>9874824>jews bad because uhhhhhhhh
>>9874833Spit the dick man, don't keep on sucking, not even christian here.
>>9874833 (You) #>>9874824 (You) #Nwugd satop bairbl vaersses!.,,!!!!>>9874824 (You) #>>9874828 #>>9872767 #>>9872773 #>>9872786 #>>9872955 #>>9872882 #>>9872962 #>>9872969 #>>9872992 #>>9872969 #>>9873000 #>>9873022 #>>9873037 #>>9873043 #>>9873062 #>>9873106 #>>9873121 #>>9873135 #>>9873144 #>>9873149 #>>9873152 #>>9873153 #>>9873157 #>>9873184 #>>9873173 #>>9873210 #>>9873212 #>>9873210 #>>9874777 #>>9874772 #>>9874760 #>>9872786 #>>9872773 #>>9872819 #>>9872836 #>>9874804 #>>9873453 #>basically your main quandry is why God seems so silent?>In the information age faith is a mountain, mull that over for a bit. Try praying.>>>> Anonymous 11/22/20(Sun)14:58:46 No.9874760▶>>9874824 (You) # >>9874833 (You) #>>>9872757 (OP) # (OP) #>Only a God that loves justice can create the Hell that you deny.>>>> Anonymous 11/22/20(Sun)15:01:14 No.9874772▶>>9874824 (You) # >>9874833 (You) #>there isn't one but there should be>>>> Anonymous 11/22/20(Sun)15:02:40 No.9874777▶>>9874824 (You) # >>9874833 (You) #>God is merciful not loving>Dumb christcucks>>>> Anonymous 11/22/20(Sun)15:08:54 No.9874797▶>>9874813 #>File: 1605869147306.jpg (688 KB, 694x854)>According to hinduism, the worshippers become like the object of worship.>How are the christians becoming? Self explanatory, really, you both can see if their god is good and if they are becoming like them
popular version: jesus christ was crucified reality: jesus christ was fucked to death by BBC
>>9874824>>9874833>>9874864I'm actually thinking of becoming a pagan Satanist...
>>9872757can't have a winter without a summer. This reality is polarized, no night without day. Abrahamism is spirituality to the lowest common denominator for retards. There are "hellish" dimensions but you don't go there forever, just until you work off your bad karma. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, this is karma. You are in a closed system, think of a rubber band stretching or pool shots off bank rails. The ball can't leave the table so it banks off of it. This is how our reality matrix is, it can stretch but the energy you put into motion can't "leave the table" it can only create an opposing reaction that will eventually slingshot back to you. Or even easier to imagine, think of being in a tub, if you slosh the water it can only slosh around in the tub not leave it, so every wave you wake creates ripples bouncing around, this is how karma works.Also God is a bit of a cheeky cunt and has a perverse sense of humor. We take things super serious because we are so caught up in the illusion of this life being some precious and rare thing when in reality it is just a VR sim for our consciousness. God sees it no different than CD project red sees the games they design. God looks at us and lolz at how serious we take it, just like a vidya game designer would lozl at you rage quitting cyberpunk and throwing your controller and breaking it because you lost a life on a mission. What Is Reality? The Holofractal Universehttps://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe
>>9874870Hey bodhi, you studied saivism like I told you?
>>9874878Hey bro. Wanna join our riot server? We can talk more in depth there if you are interested in these kinds of conversationshttps://riot.im/app/#/room/#oathoftheblacksun:matrix.orgI had typed out a longer response but my phone went full retard and everything I typed deleted before I could hit post